[00:11] <schuyler_> Nevermind, fixed: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx
[00:20] <schuyler_> Okay, anyone here? After trying to use this hotfix on my updated kernel, I still get the same problem: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx
[05:13] <Hydrozii> what is the equivalent of %appdata% in xubuntu?
[05:14] <Sysi> what is %appdata% ?
[05:19] <Hydrozii> i jus learned that it is /etc
[05:19] <Hydrozii> but i still cant find the minecraft save data
[05:19] <Sysi> it can be hidden in your home folder
[05:20] <Sysi> crtl h in filemanager
[05:20] <Hydrozii> no i dont think thats it
[05:20] <Hydrozii> minecraft is a .jar file
[05:20] <Hydrozii> and i can open it with archieve manager
[05:21] <Hydrozii> but i cant figure out how to add downloaded save accounts and such
[05:21] <Hydrozii> i was hoping that there was some save info in /etc about minecraft
[05:21] <Hydrozii> but i cant find anything so im stuck
[05:22] <Sysi> it's java program, if you run it it can write only to your home folder
[05:22] <Sysi> locate minecraft | grep home
[05:22] <Hydrozii> ok so that confirms that there wouldnt be anything in /etc
[05:22] <Hydrozii> i know where minecraft is
[05:23] <Sysi> you don't know where everything related is
[05:23] <Hydrozii> but where is the save files within minecraft
[05:23] <Hydrozii> i can open it with archieve manager and see lots of files
[05:23] <Sysi> ask #minecraft or something
[05:23] <Hydrozii> but none of them seem to be saves
[05:23] <Hydrozii> ive been asking #minecraft
[05:24] <Sysi> sry, g2g →
[05:24] <Hydrozii> there is easy instructions for windows
[05:24] <Hydrozii> its ok cya
[05:28] <ubuXubu> good morning resident Xubuntites.
[05:29] <Hydrozii> morning
[05:29] <Hydrozii> figured out my problem yay :)
[05:29] <Hydrozii> it was in the home folder i wasnt listening
[05:45] <ubuXubu> u ok m00se
[05:48] <m00se> depends
[05:48] <m00se> you got any heroin?
[05:48]  * m00se goes back to his m00vie
[05:48] <ubuXubu> i stay away from halucenigens
[05:50] <m00se> and dictionaries....good policy
[07:13] <nicofs> I am looking for a good network monitor. i need to monitor my 3g connection...
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> umtsmon can keep a very basic tracking of 3G usage plus it has dial-up capabilites
[07:19] <nicofs> my problem is that i want to know what kind of connection is going (i.e. GPRS, EDGE, UMTS) and if i am actually connected because the network manager tells me (via the icon) that i am connected even if the signal has been lost... it's just not accurate...
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> then there's stuff like gkrellm depending on how you go about connecting to yer 3G connection.. if you're using USB and it appears as ppp0, it will have its own statistics..if you go through a router you will have eth0/wifi0/etc and if you use that same connection on other devices, e.g. file transfers..the data counts will be skewed
[07:23] <nicofs> psycho_oreos: does it only tell me how much data has been sent/received or can it tell me what kind of connection i use and if it is still active (ping)?
[07:49] <jrmy> is there a channel for wine on freenode?
[07:51] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, it both can tell you how much data has been sent/received, umtsmon is only for 3G so it'll only show info on 3G, the gkrellm can but it won't tell you if its active or not, it will show you if the interface is up or down
[07:52] <istok> jrmy, /msg alis list *wine*
[07:52] <psycho_oreos> jrmy, try #winehq
[07:52] <istok> or that
[07:54] <jrmy> i didnt know that command.. but with /list on xchat it doesnt show all of them at once and is rather speedy so i only really get to see that last few channels
[07:54] <jrmy> which isnt helpful at all
[07:55] <jrmy> :/
[07:55] <Sysi> you maybe get kicked out from network with /list
[07:55] <Sysi> "exess flood"
[07:55] <psycho_oreos> especially this network is quite big (lots of channels/users)
[07:57] <jrmy> what?
[07:58] <nikolam> psycho_oreos, maybe your answer was meant for someone else
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, which? about the network size? not really, freenode is very big
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nikolam, ahh wait! my bad yes.. (tab fail)
[07:59] <nikolam> :)
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> nicofs, it both can tell you how much data has been sent/received, umtsmon is only for 3G so it'll only show info on 3G, the gkrellm can but it won't tell you if its active or not, it will show you if the interface is up or down
[08:02] <nicofs> how do i get a list of my devices?
[08:02] <Sysi> lspci / lsusb / sudo fdisk -l
[08:02] <psycho_oreos> lshal
[08:02] <psycho_oreos> ifconfig/iwconfig
[08:03] <Sysi> lshal is new to me
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> humm
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> !info lshal
[08:03] <Sysi> that lists ..much
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> might be available through ppa.. I recall it was available through multiverse/universe.. alas I'm on ancient version :)
[08:04] <Sysi> i think it's in coreutils or something
[08:04] <nicofs> i have found a plugin for my 3g connection. i need to specify the path of my modem. lsusb lists it as Bus 1 Device 3. what would be the path?
[08:05] <psycho_oreos> nah its not in coreutils (at least for jaunty)
[08:06] <psycho_oreos> depends on the plugin.. and which app are we talking about? :)
[08:07] <nicofs> xfce4-cellmodem-plugin
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> lol ok wait.. lshal is old and deprecated, that's why it won't be available for ubuntu versions above and including lucid (afaik lucid is now using hal-free xorg as hal was no longer favoured)
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> hmm never heard of that
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> can't you specify interface name?
[08:08] <Sysi> it's /dev/something i guess
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> /dev/tty?
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> it might be available through dmesg if its plugged in via USB which it is as I just now realise
[08:09] <nicofs> i have seen something like ttyusb0 or ttyusb1, i guess... but it's not there in thunar
[08:09] <jrmy> i need to be reminded on how to make an iso through a command again.. i'd be making an iso of a disc inserted
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> umm /dev/ttyUSB?
[08:11] <nicofs> ok... my bad. i found /dev/ttyUSB... but now i need to find out which one it is...
[08:12] <psycho_oreos> best way to check it is via dmesg
[08:12] <psycho_oreos> its usually 0 or 1 unless you have more than one 3G USB device or some really fancy device
[09:11] <jrmy> is there a "so youre new to linux" thing?
[09:11] <jrmy> i need to stop staying up so late
[09:11] <jrmy> it would be nice if i had at least one friend that used linux
[09:12] <Sysi> ubuntu people are your friends :P
[09:13] <istok> google is your friend
[09:13] <Sysi> ubuntu manual?
[09:14] <istok> if you search the right pattern, it returns many a linux howto
[09:14] <istok> the ubuntu forums are also pretty good for finding help
[09:14] <Sysi> install gentoo :D
[09:14] <istok> between man and --help switches, i don't need much more
[09:14] <Sysi> (arch wouls actually be better for learning)
[09:14] <jrmy> what ubuntu manual?
[09:14] <istok> gentoo was ok, but i like xubuntu more
[09:14] <Sysi> !manual
[09:14] <istok> and xubuntu runs faster than my debian desktop
[09:14] <Sysi> oh, it was that basic
[09:15] <jrmy> i kinda have basics down
[09:16] <jrmy> i can only install another os by command line
[09:16] <jrmy> i dont have any cd's nor can i boot via usb
[09:16] <jrmy> google isnt my friend since i dont know what exactly i'd be looking for
[09:16] <jrmy> google is mostly a troll imo
[09:17] <istok> heh, i'll admit, i've had a few missleading howto's
[09:17] <istok> but most of the time, depending on the search pattern, i find what i want
[09:17] <jrmy> not everything on google is even reliable
[09:17] <istok> or ask here, on IRC
[09:18] <istok> freenode is the best IRC network for technical help
[09:25] <jrmy> well i was mostly wondering if there was a guide for former windows users
[09:45] <istok> jrmy, i've used unix (fbsd) remotely for years, with shells, and some linux, fedora, gentoo, debian - but always ran windows at home
[09:45] <istok> i was tired of developing random infections, loosing my files/etc, and having to format
[09:45] <istok> so installed the xubuntu desktop, never looked back :)
[09:46] <istok> you will find most things are easier with the GUI - but for me, i tend to boot to desktop, but go straight to terminal
[10:18] <safl> Hey people! How do I change color depth? I have tried producing an xorg.conf with Xorg -configure and place it in /etc/X11/ but even though i remove all but one colordepth then 32bpp is allways chosen.
[10:28] <Hydrozii> The file 'whatever' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[10:28] <Hydrozii> how can i make it run?
[10:28] <safl> chmod +x
[10:29] <Hydrozii> chomd +x "thatfile"
[10:29] <Hydrozii> ?
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> yes
[10:29] <safl> you got it :)
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> and its chmod not chomd
[10:29] <Hydrozii> what if i want to run it with wine?
[10:29] <safl> i prefer using chomd it is much safer
[10:29] <safl> wine 'whatever'
[10:30] <safl> the other statement was a joke btw :)
[10:30] <Hydrozii> chomd +x wine "whatever"
[10:30] <Hydrozii> ?
[10:30] <istok> lol
[10:30] <safl> just: wine "whatever"
[10:30] <istok> you only need to chmod/chomd +x once, to give the file the correct permissions
[10:30] <psycho_oreos> its not called chomd, its called chmod.. some people need to start wearing their spectacles
[10:31] <istok> you could also use the wine GUI
[10:31] <safl> chomd is the secure version of chmod ;)
[10:31] <istok> or ask in #winehq
[10:31] <Hydrozii> ugh
[10:31] <psycho_oreos> that is just stupid
[10:32] <psycho_oreos> chomd is not a valid binary executable for the same task
[10:32] <safl> hey psycho it was a joke...
[10:32] <istok> lol
[10:32] <istok> or chown
[10:32] <psycho_oreos> chown is a valid one, it just changes ownership
[10:33] <safl> you can also pipe the output of chomd to chown my good chump ;)
[10:33] <Hydrozii> i cant get anything to work
[10:34] <safl> Hydrozii: how does it fail?
[10:34] <Hydrozii> according to some instructions im following im supposed to open a particular file with wine
[10:34] <Hydrozii> The file 'whatever' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[10:34] <Hydrozii> that the error i get
[10:35] <Hydrozii> when i try the "wine 'my file' "
[10:35] <safl> Hydrozii: if you have downloade a windows-executable, you can execute it by doing: wine 'some_file' if it is a linux file execute it with: ./some_file after giving it exection rights "chmod +x 'some_file'".
[10:35] <psycho_oreos> !wine | Hydrozii
[10:35] <Hydrozii> well its definitly a windows-executable
[10:36] <Hydrozii> im probably just spelling the location wrong
[10:36] <Hydrozii> ill join #winehq and ask them any other questions i have
[10:37] <safl> How do i change ColorDepth?
[10:37] <psycho_oreos> edit xorg conf
[10:37] <safl> tried that, seems that hal overrides settings
[10:38] <safl> created a xorg.conf based on Xorg -configure
[10:38] <psycho_oreos> there's no hal under lucid
[10:38] <safl> ok, whatever automagic lucid uses seems to override
[10:39] <safl> after creating the xorg.conf with Xorg -configure i removed all definitions of color depths except for the one i wanted to use.
[10:39] <istok> i have hal on mine :o
[10:40] <safl> But I still end up with a colordepth which is not specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:40] <istok> sudo dpkg -l | grep hal
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> xorg shouldn't be depending on hal from what I heard on lucid
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> it might show up in error logs
[10:43] <safl> no errors
[10:43] <safl> it runs just fine
[10:43] <safl> thats my problem
[10:43] <safl> i need to lower the bpp to test some stuff
[15:46] <nicofs1> Hi! I am looking for a network monitor that can give me detailed information on my connections, especially 3G, like reception, signal strength and type of connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS). Any suggestions?
[16:04] <nicofs> Hi! I am looking for a network monitor that can give me detailed information on my connections, especially 3G, like reception, signal strength and type of connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS). Any suggestions?
[16:07] <ablomen> nicofs, you could try iwconfig, dunno if that works with 3g, but it gives lots of detailed info
[16:09] <nicofs> ablomen: that's not really what i'm looking for... i need a tool to tell me, if i have reception and if so, what kind...
[16:18] <charlie-tca> nicofs: wavemon?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> nicofs: ntop; vnStat, google
[16:22] <nicofs> charlie-tca: does wavemon work with 3G?
[16:25] <nicofs> charlie-tca: i'll start my 3g connection to try that...
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I do not have 3G
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Those are suggestions. You would have to either look them up using google or try them, I guess.
[16:32] <nicofs> charlie-tca: wavemon doesn't work with 3g...
[17:12] <ubuXubu> i ran fdisk to determine the size of my linux swap partition but i really dont understand what i am seeing here...can someone help me determine what this information means?
[17:13] <ubuXubu> start 4781     end 4863         block 661504         id 8     system linux swap solaris   ???
[17:14] <TheSheep> it means it has 661504 blocks
[17:14] <ubuXubu> i have 2 g of ram so i am trying to see if i made my swap the correct size...it seemed to do it for me this time?
[17:14] <TheSheep> if your block size is 512 bytes, then it's about 323MB
[17:15] <ubuXubu> oh great thats not the right size
[17:15] <TheSheep> why are you not using gparted?
[17:15] <ubuXubu> usually when i partition it offers me the chance right in the buntu disk
[17:15] <ubuXubu> i have done it many times
[17:16] <TheSheep> gparted has nice gui with human-readable units
[17:16] <ubuXubu> this time i  could not get it to let me make my own
[17:16] <ubuXubu> it seesm to run fine..is 323 ok
[17:16] <ubuXubu> seems*
[17:17] <TheSheep> swapon -s should show you your swap size in bytes
[17:17] <ubuXubu> can i do gparted now after i already ill try that now
[17:17] <ubuXubu> how will i know if my swap size is no good?
[17:17] <TheSheep> or free -m for megabytes
[17:18] <TheSheep> well, there is no single good swap size, it all depends on what you do
[17:18] <ubuXubu> swap is just for virtual memory right?
[17:18] <TheSheep> I went for years without any swap with 2GB ram, and never needed it because I never used huge programs
[17:19] <ubuXubu> if i exceed it the machine will tell me i think
[17:19] <TheSheep> no, it will start killing random programs :)
[17:19] <ubuXubu> i wonder if it will also make the swap bigger for me if it needs it
[17:19] <ubuXubu> oh yuk
[17:19] <TheSheep> it won't
[17:19] <ubuXubu> well i think a 2 gig swap would be fine
[17:20] <ubuXubu> thats how i did all my other ones
[17:20] <ubuXubu> cant understand why it wouldnt let me this time
[17:20] <ubuXubu> can i resize wit hgparted now?
[17:20] <TheSheep> I think you can
[17:21] <TheSheep> especially if you have some free space left
[17:23] <ubuXubu> it just seemed determined to do it for me this time
[17:23] <ubuXubu> oh i know wut i did
[17:24] <ubuXubu> ok
[17:24] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:24] <ubuXubu> -m didnt work either
[17:26] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: btw, you can also create a swap file instead
[17:26] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:26] <ubuXubu> how
[17:26] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: with recent kernels it's as fast as a partition
[17:26] <ubuXubu> even after the fact?
[17:26] <TheSheep> create an empty file the size you want, run mkswap on it, and add it to your fstab
[17:26] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[17:26] <ubuXubu>  thanks
[17:26] <TheSheep> any time you want
[17:27] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[17:27] <ubuXubu> thnks
[17:42] <ubuXubu> i found a converter and now i think 661504 blocks is 3247 mb = 3.2 gigs?
[17:42] <ubuXubu> if thats true i am ok?
    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1   *           1        3039    24408372    7  HPFS/NTFS
 /dev/sda2            3039        4863    14652417    5  Extended
 /dev/sda5            3039        4781    13989888   83  Linux
 /dev/sda6            4781        4863      661504   82  Linux swap / Solaris
 jim@ubuntu-desktop:~$
[17:44] <ubuXubu> no its .3 gigs as u said
[17:49] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: it depends on your block size
[18:10] <ilembitov> I wonder, what's the point in having PulseAudio on Xubuntu, if the mixer can't actually handle numerous streams (the only PulseAudio advantage I could think of). Can anybody tell me: if I just remove PulseAudio, will the apps work with ALSA automatically?
[18:13] <Sysi> after reboot they should
[18:13] <TheSheep> I would guess it's mostly to be compatible with gnome apps
[18:13] <Sysi> if you don't want to try pavucontrol
[18:14] <ilembitov> Well, it causes noise every time Pidgin has a sound notification, for example. And I have just installed Xubuntu 10.10 RC, so it's really not my fault.
[18:20] <ubuXubu> thesheep ill look at my block size now
[18:20] <TheSheep> ubottu: fdisk shows it in the beginning
[18:27] <ubuXubu> gparted says swap is 646 mib
[18:27] <ubuXubu> is mib megabytes?
[18:30] <TheSheep> yeah
[18:30] <TheSheep> so your block size is 1024
[18:30] <ubuXubu> so gparted says i got 623 mib hmmm good enough?
[18:30] <ubuXubu> its not letting me increase it
[18:31] <TheSheep> there is probably no free space left
[18:31] <TheSheep> I'd say leave it be and if you ever need more, make a swap file
[18:31] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:31] <ubuXubu> dammit
[18:31] <ubuXubu> i have never donethis
[18:32] <ubuXubu> so if i exceeed 2 gigsa of ram something weird will happen huh
[18:32] <ubuXubu> shut stuffd own
[18:32] <TheSheep> 2.6 gigs
[18:32] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:32] <ubuXubu> i wonder if i can use a flash drive
[18:32] <TheSheep> well, kernel will probably kill the program that takes the most ram
[18:32] <ubuXubu> like they do in vista
[18:32] <ubuXubu> sheez i shouldnt be goin over 2.6 using ubuntu
[18:33] <TheSheep> usually if a program takes that much ram, it's an accident anyways
[18:33] <ubuXubu> the other OS in xp on here
[18:33] <ubuXubu> the swap wont effect xp i think'
[18:33] <TheSheep> no
[18:33] <ubuXubu> i think xp created its own page file
[18:33] <TheSheep> yes
[18:33] <ubuXubu> 1034 i think it was
[18:33] <ubuXubu> ok
[18:33] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[18:33] <ubuXubu> 2.6
[18:34] <TheSheep> I rarely go over 1GB
[18:34] <ubuXubu> i only use bunti for the internet and torrents
[18:34] <ubuXubu> neither should do 2.6
[18:34] <TheSheep> well, java apps in firefox can take some ram
[18:34] <ubuXubu> can they take over 2 gigs?
[18:34] <TheSheep> but usually when they are broken
[18:35] <TheSheep> ubottu: I once left some java app overnight, it was 4GB next day
[18:35] <TheSheep> ubuXubu: ^
[18:35] <TheSheep> (2GB ram + 2GB swap
[18:35] <TheSheep> and then crashed :)
[18:35] <ubuXubu> yikes
[18:35] <ubuXubu> i screwed up
[18:35] <TheSheep> but it was broken
[18:35] <ubuXubu> yeah
[18:35] <TheSheep> it was growing all the time
[18:35] <TheSheep> even if I had 10GB ram it would fill it
[18:36] <ubuXubu> i turn it off when i dont use it
[18:36] <ubuXubu> i think im fine
[18:36] <ubuXubu> this isnt one of my main boxes
[18:36] <TheSheep> I don't think I ever had ff take mode than 400MB ram in normal circumstances
[18:36] <TheSheep> s/mode/more
[20:41] <Aicasn> man this channel is quiet.  used to be noob central...now nothing
[20:43] <mark76> Hello! :D
[20:43] <mark76> How do I turn my computer on?
[20:50] <mprice> do you mean off?
[20:51] <mark76> No, I was kidding. Pretending to be a noob to make Aicasn feel more at home ;)
[20:51] <mprice> ok
[20:51] <Aicasn> appreciated nonetheless :)
[20:51] <mark76> It is a bit quiet in here
[20:52] <Aicasn> doesn't anyone want to know how to make a program startup with linux?  or why WoW isn't playing nice with your sound card?
[20:52] <Aicasn> ...   fine
[20:53] <mark76> Sad, eh?
[20:55]  * charlie-tca thinks of it as relaxing
[20:56] <mark76> Aye
[20:56]  * mark76 sips a pina colada
[21:00]  * Aicasn gets caught in the rain
[21:00] <mark76> :D
[21:02] <mark76> I had problems burning the iso for X-10.10 to a DVD today
[21:02] <mark76> So I gave up