=== Cimi_ is now known as Cimi === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:25] what i can't figure out... is how to get the titlebar stuff (ie: close/minimize/maximize if window maximized; a word of the window title if not maximized - the bit between the go-home button and the application menu in full netbook interface) to work in an otherwise *desktop* environment [13:26] it doesn't seem to come from any applet or indicator that i can find; is it actually a part of mutter or unity? [13:26] (the specific package unity, with the launcher-on-left etc.) [13:27] (yes, my other computer is a mac; and with application menu getting good enough to use most of the time, and awn at the bottom, the desktop's almost getting civilised... :-D === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [13:28] i tried instead to just run the netbook/unity interface but with maximus set to not automatically maximize everything (although it still did some things); but had various problems with that, not least i actualy didn't want the launcher bar on the left [13:29] and there was no way to remove it [13:47] rrrachel: sorry, which kind of desktop you would kike to have? [13:47] *like [13:50] asking seriously or a bit pissed because i'm trying to use *part* of unity rather than all of it? :-) I want (already have) close to a standard gnome desktop with desktop effects (ie: compiz), awn, but i want application menu in the top-left, which i can already have, and the titlebar stuff described above (sorry don't know if it has a proper name) in that setting, rather than having to get the whole of unity/netbook [13:50] environment just for that [13:51] as i said, my other computer is (computers are) a mac and while i'm not trying to make it look so much like a mac as to fool anyone, it would be nice to have my muscle-memory habits catered for :-) [13:54] as i said: the bit on the maverick netbook screen between the go-home button and the appmenu - just that bit - on my full desktop panel please :-) but it doesn't seem to actually come from an applet or indicator as far as i can tell [13:55] it may be part of unity and not detachable [13:56] that's what i was trying to confirm (or hoping vagualy to de-confirm :-) [13:56] vaguely even [13:58] i'm not sure it is though, as when i tried to just run unity itself in the gnome desktop iirc i got the left hand launcher bar thing, but not that thing in the titlebar [13:58] rrrachel¦ its appmenu, and you can use it in regular desktop [13:59] vish, appmenu as far as i could see just provides the actual application/active-window menu in an applet in the panel, which is fine (better when it's finished, but on its way there) but not the other thing [13:59] the close/minimize/maximize when window maximized, and app name when not [13:59] rrrachel¦ ah, thats unity.. ;) [13:59] unless there's some sooper sekrit way of enabling it :-) [14:00] and unity (which i've just started now to check) in standard desktop just gives the left-hand launcher, which i *dont* want (prefer awn in this setting) [14:00] not the titlebar stuff. (does it actually have a name btw? the gui element i'm talking about?) [14:04] oh wait! got it! if unity *and* appmenu enabled; but they keep crashing out with "The panel encountered a problem" errors [14:05] ie: if i have unity running *and* appmenu, the other top-left panel stuff appears - but seems unstable and crashes almost immediately [14:06] so closest yet, but still stuck with the launcher down the side i don't want... [14:06] appmenu itself seems stable if unity isn't running [14:06] unity doesn't like compiz? [14:07] rrrachel¦ unity runs on mutter. [14:08] err, unity is mutter [14:08] i thought mutter was a window manager; unity a thing that runs in it - and it would appear only in it... hmm [14:08] actually there may be two panels going on here... that would be confusing [14:11] unity seems to be providing its own top panel, and oddly the appmenu in there isn't working as well as the one i added to the gnome panel [14:11] (damn, have to do some salaried work for a bit; better make my desktop sane again... :-} [14:13] upshot seems to be the little applet i want is inseparable from the whole strip down the side and a window manager i don't want [14:17] i guess it's frustrating because it's *nearly* there, it's just this one little thing [14:17] it's never been so nearly there before :-) [14:37] need to log out... [14:39] gnome-globalmenu does it, after logout/login :-) [14:39] i think last time i looked at that it needed you to patch gtk and didn't work anyway... [15:44] klattimer: how you looking over there, all set? [15:44] jcastro: yeah [15:44] everything set for UDS? (Don't forget to register in launchpad: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n ) [15:45] done [15:45] do you know how blueprints work and all that? [15:45] still working out flight stuff, been very busy today trying to fix a cpu hogging bug [15:45] jcastro: have a good document handy? [15:45] ok, find me like, mid next week and I'll show you how to do it [15:46] k [15:46] cool [15:46] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n [15:46] basically watch these [15:46] and subscribe to the ones you care about. [15:46] and then it will spam you and you'll be good [15:46] likely ted, dbarth and others will also subscribe you to ones they think you should monitor [15:46] ok, looks pretty straight forward [15:46] and from those we generate the session schedule [15:47] right [15:47] well, I've got some stuff to discuss with dbarth later this week, and we'll be able to generate a blueprint from what i have [15:47] nod [15:47] I made a bunch of videos on how to schedule sessions, they're on ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv [15:47] just go in there and search for "UDS" and you'll be good [15:48] awesome [15:48] jcastro: Error 503 Service Unavailable [15:49] oh, and it's back [15:49] temporary gremlin error === ivanka is now known as ivanka-train