[13:25] <rrrachel> what i can't figure out... is how to get the titlebar stuff (ie: close/minimize/maximize if window maximized; a word of the window title if not maximized - the bit between the go-home button and the application menu in full netbook interface) to work in an otherwise *desktop* environment
[13:26] <rrrachel> it doesn't seem to come from any applet or indicator that i can find; is it actually a part of mutter or unity?
[13:26] <rrrachel> (the specific package unity, with the launcher-on-left etc.)
[13:27] <rrrachel> (yes, my other computer is a mac; and with application menu getting good enough to use most of the time, and awn at the bottom, the desktop's almost getting civilised... :-D
[13:28] <rrrachel> i tried instead to just run the netbook/unity interface but with maximus set to not automatically maximize everything (although it still did some things); but had various problems with that, not least i actualy didn't want the launcher bar on the left
[13:29] <rrrachel> and there was no way to remove it
[13:47] <Cimi> rrrachel: sorry, which kind of desktop you would kike to have?
[13:47] <Cimi> *like
[13:50] <rrrachel> asking seriously or a bit pissed because i'm trying to use *part* of unity rather than all of it? :-) I want (already have) close to a standard gnome desktop with desktop effects (ie: compiz), awn, but i want application menu in the top-left, which i can already have, and the titlebar stuff described above (sorry don't know if it has a proper name) in that setting, rather than having to get the whole of unity/netbook
[13:50] <rrrachel> environment just for that
[13:51] <rrrachel> as i said, my other computer is (computers are) a mac and while i'm not trying to make it look so much like a mac as to fool anyone, it would be nice to have my muscle-memory habits catered for :-)
[13:54] <rrrachel> as i said: the bit on the maverick netbook screen between the go-home button and the appmenu - just that bit - on my full desktop panel please :-) but it doesn't seem to actually come from an applet or indicator as far as i can tell
[13:55] <Cimi> it may be part of unity and not detachable
[13:56] <rrrachel> that's what i was trying to confirm (or hoping vagualy to de-confirm :-)
[13:56] <rrrachel> vaguely even
[13:58] <rrrachel> i'm not sure it is though, as when i tried to just run unity itself in the gnome desktop iirc i got the left hand launcher bar thing, but not that thing in the titlebar
[13:58] <vish> rrrachel¦ its appmenu, and you can use it in regular desktop
[13:59] <rrrachel> vish, appmenu as far as i could see just provides the actual application/active-window menu in an applet in the panel, which is fine (better when it's finished, but on its way there) but not the other thing
[13:59] <rrrachel> the close/minimize/maximize when window maximized, and app name when not
[13:59] <vish> rrrachel¦ ah, thats unity.. ;)
[13:59] <rrrachel> unless there's some sooper sekrit way of enabling it :-)
[14:00] <rrrachel> and unity (which i've just started now to check) in standard desktop just gives the left-hand launcher, which i *dont* want (prefer awn in this setting)
[14:00] <rrrachel> not the titlebar stuff. (does it actually have a name btw? the gui element i'm talking about?)
[14:04] <rrrachel> oh wait! got it! if unity *and* appmenu enabled; but they keep crashing out with "The panel encountered a problem" errors
[14:05] <rrrachel> ie: if i have unity running *and* appmenu, the other top-left panel stuff appears - but seems unstable and crashes almost immediately
[14:06] <rrrachel> so closest yet, but still stuck with the launcher down the side i don't want...
[14:06] <rrrachel> appmenu itself seems stable if unity isn't running
[14:06] <rrrachel> unity doesn't like compiz?
[14:07] <vish> rrrachel¦ unity runs on mutter.
[14:08] <vish> err, unity is mutter
[14:08] <rrrachel> i thought mutter was a window manager; unity a thing that runs in it - and it would appear only in it... hmm
[14:08] <rrrachel> actually there may be two panels going on here... that would be confusing
[14:11] <rrrachel> unity seems to be providing its own top panel, and oddly the appmenu in there isn't working as well as the one i added to the gnome panel
[14:11] <rrrachel> (damn, have to do some salaried work for a bit; better make my desktop sane again... :-}
[14:13] <rrrachel> upshot seems to be the little applet  i want is inseparable from the whole strip down the side and a window manager i don't want
[14:17] <rrrachel> i guess it's frustrating because it's *nearly* there, it's just this one little thing
[14:17] <rrrachel> it's never been so nearly there before :-)
[14:37] <rrrachel> need to log out...
[14:39] <rrrachel> gnome-globalmenu does it, after logout/login :-)
[14:39] <rrrachel> i think last time i looked at that it needed you to patch gtk and didn't work anyway...
[15:44] <jcastro> klattimer: how you looking over there, all set?
[15:44] <klattimer> jcastro: yeah
[15:44] <jcastro> everything set for UDS? (Don't forget to register in launchpad: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n )
[15:45] <klattimer> done
[15:45] <jcastro> do you know how blueprints work and all that?
[15:45] <klattimer> still working out flight stuff, been very busy today trying to fix a cpu hogging bug
[15:45] <klattimer> jcastro: have a good document handy?
[15:45] <jcastro> ok, find me like, mid next week and I'll show you how to do it
[15:46] <klattimer> k
[15:46] <klattimer> cool
[15:46] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[15:46] <jcastro> basically watch these
[15:46] <jcastro> and subscribe to the ones you care about.
[15:46] <jcastro> and then it will spam you and you'll be good
[15:46] <jcastro> likely ted, dbarth and others will also subscribe you to ones they think you should monitor
[15:46] <klattimer> ok, looks pretty straight forward
[15:46] <jcastro> and from those we generate the session schedule
[15:47] <klattimer> right
[15:47] <klattimer> well, I've got some stuff to discuss with dbarth later this week, and we'll be able to generate a blueprint from what i have
[15:47] <jcastro> nod
[15:47] <jcastro> I made a bunch of videos on how to schedule sessions, they're on ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv
[15:47] <jcastro> just go in there and search for "UDS" and you'll be good
[15:48] <klattimer> awesome
[15:48] <klattimer> jcastro: Error 503 Service Unavailable
[15:49] <klattimer> oh, and it's back
[15:49] <klattimer> temporary gremlin error