[00:01] txwikinger: dunno, what happensif you right click on the systray-> System Tray Settings -> tick network manager? [00:02] thanks.. that's it [00:02] Riddell: cool.. when you know it [00:02] :D [00:05] dantti: what's the status? I'm minded to go to bed soon [00:05] Riddell: sorry, I'm booking a flight now, do you know what was the kdesdk command to generate a tar ball? [00:08] hmm, not sure, can't see it in kdesdk-scripts [00:08] dantti: get your flight booked, I'll stay up :) [00:10] Riddell: kubuntu maverick seems pretty good.. I mostly have problems with gnome stuff [00:11] don't worry, I'm sure gnome 3 will fix them all [00:11] You should do standup comedy :D [00:11] I'm here all week [00:12] where is here? [00:12] infront of my computer, until 10:10 on Sunday actually [00:12] Ah [00:12] well.. don't overdo it [00:13] I did far too much the last couple of month [00:13] mostly working to improve ubuntu-ca [00:13] close to a burn out.. need to reduce it a bit [00:15] well.. is 10:10 the release time? which one am or pm? which timezone? [00:15] tsk..spoilers.. [00:16] well.. maybe it should be called 10.42 [00:16] Riddell: k, what will you prefer the 0.6.2 final tarball or the diff to the current svn rev? [00:16] dantti: either is fine [00:17] Riddell: we have Thanksgiving Day on Sunday [00:17] and Monday is a holiday :) [00:19] a Kubuntu bank holiday! [00:20] that's how I would spin it :D [00:21] Riddell: btw have you tested the changelog feature? [00:21] dantti: yes, worked nicely [00:22] good :) [00:22] although I didn't have any updates with bugs in them [00:22] * txwikinger wonders why the gnome keyring password request always pops up [00:22] right, well I tested with lp, debian and cve all 3 worked fine [00:23] txwikinger: I get that too, worse thing is it doesn't say why it needs the password, horribly insecure [00:23] txwikinger: I think it's due to ubuntu one [00:23] yeah [00:23] does removing ubuntu-one stops that? [00:24] does for me [00:24] ok.. I will try that [00:26] apachelogger: around? I never manage to build a tarball :P [00:26] I expect he's asleep [00:26] oh [00:27] all kpk releases a fedora guy sent me the tarball :P [00:27] create_tarball.rb in kdesdk/scripts seems like a good candidate to try [00:27] now he's off so I need to do myself :P [00:27] hmm [00:29] but how hard can it be, you just do an svn export, the translations are fiddly but I already have that in our packaging if you want to copy it, then tar zcf [00:30] Riddell: I can find that package [00:30] *file [00:31] apt-get source kdesdk ? [00:31] Riddell: oh I installed it [00:32] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.5/kdesdk/scripts/createtarball/ [00:32] we don't seem to package it for some reason [00:32] probably because the build system doesn't install it [00:35] hi Mamarok, how did your 4.5.2 upgrade go? [00:38] Riddell: ok, I gave up :P I'll send you an svn diff, create_tarball does not find kpk [00:38] dantti: want me to make one? [00:39] Riddell: if it's not much work for you :) [00:39] that's why I don't package stuff, I just suck on doing it, even dumb tarballs lol [00:41] Riddell: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3113961.0;topicseen [00:41] tho my upgrade went well, didn't even notice the change, really [00:43] claydoh: i think I need a "how to understand X problems" lesson from mgrasslin at UDS [00:43] Riddell: make sure they save a video of it too :) [00:44] dantti: how's this? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit-0.6.2.tar.gz [00:49] Riddell: thanks, it's perfect for me :) , I just have to remove a bunch of icons (svgz) compress as 7z so that kde-apps can store it :P === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty [01:08] Riddell: oooh :( [01:08] dantti: ooh? [01:08] when I added the check for new updates button I broke the updateDetails [01:08] :P [01:09] I was taking a screen shot [01:09] and saw the bug [01:09] hmm, yes [01:10] k, fixed [01:11] dantti: new tar needed? [01:12] Riddell: no I can update the tar, I'm pasting you the diff [01:12] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/CTB0D0JG [01:22] dantti: still doesn't show changelog info [01:22] Riddell: when you click on an item? [01:23] or press enter [01:23] Riddell: do you still have the bug list marked for milestone? [01:24] lex79: http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 [01:24] thanks [01:25] dantti: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit.png [01:25] Riddell: btw, glatozr spoted kpk missing libqtsql and sqlite deps iirc [01:26] Riddell: are you already using aptcc with the new patches? [01:27] dantti: ah hah [01:27] packagekit was up to date but not packagekit-backend-aptcc [01:27] groovy [01:27] hehe :) [01:29] ok uploading [01:30] Riddell: worked fine now? [01:34] yes [01:35] nice, much better than "updates: foo" [01:37] thanks for being awesome dantti [01:37] * Riddell snoozes [01:37] nini [01:37] yw, gnight [01:38] bug 609247 sort've makes the MIR process seem silly. ;-) [01:38] Launchpad bug 609247 in qapt (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qapt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609247 [01:40] funny cutting from koloupaint, leaves some shadow.. [01:51] rdieter_work: It was our fellow developers in #ubuntu-x who did it, but there's a patch in our mesa package I believe. I can dig it out if you want it. [01:51] (against 7.9) [01:52] apachelogger and shadeslayer: I don't support 4.5 in lucid-backports, but have no problem with 4.5.2 in maverick-backports after release. [01:56] so what day is the best to download 10.10 before the actual release day? [01:57] jjesse: Download the RC and then rsync to update your ISO [01:57] hrmm ok [01:58] That or just upgrade to maverick and then apply all updates. [02:03] kdelibs4-dev reverse-build-depends down to 83 [02:09] [muon] jmthomas * 1182925 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/MainWindow.cpp Fix the software properties action always being disabled. [02:10] [muon] jmthomas * 1182926 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/ (PackageWidget.cpp PackageWidget.h) Entirely disabled windows during startup are so early 2000's. Spruce things up a bit with a nice loading/busy indicator for the PackageView [04:38] funny, after upgrading some packages composite got disabled and doesn't work anymore :( also nvidia drivers are beta.. pretty weird.. === muesli_ is now known as mueslix [07:15] maco: ok, fair enough [07:16] dantti: I shall look into tarballing and write you a nice tut ;) [07:16] apachelogger: :D that would be nice, I always forgot how to deal with that.. [07:17] and there is always someone to create it for me ... [07:17] that hints me that there is something wrong with the user experience [07:17] anyhow [07:17] calculus course starts [07:17] o/ [07:18] :) [07:18] right.. it's 3am here and I can't sleep due to some guys that take ages to finish their jobs :/ [07:19] * dantti wishes to know why does he needs to wait for a completly unrelated job to finish, stupid boss [09:41] Riddell: good morning, seems the upgrade went just fine! [09:45] KDE 4.5.2 update was very smooth :) [09:45] thanks! [09:45] works great [09:51] is kfax still useful? can it display formats okular can't? [09:53] markey, is it mostly bugfixes, or what? [09:53] yes, plus some performance improvements [09:53] cool [09:57] jussi, markey: great [10:53] But the source package on Launchpad and Quassel/i18n-master on Launchpad doesn't contain the error, how is it possible, if they are from upstream (I think)? [10:53] it's because they were already fixed [10:55] this was the required change: http://gitorious.org/quassel/quassel/merge_requests/116 [10:55] oh lol [10:56] Riddell: I just found the first upgrade issue - watching stuff on you tube is like watching in fast forward - no sound and double speed [10:57] al: if it solves the problem it should be backported to Lucid [11:00] ulysses: well, yea, i made merge requests for 0.6 and 0.7 [11:02] I had that the other day, jussi [11:02] and no sound [11:02] at least I'm not alone [11:02] valorie: is it fixed for you now? [11:03] I just updated kde, and haven't restarted [11:03] valorie: also, have you file a bug? [11:03] but no [11:03] well, I kept thinking it was flash [11:03] and trying different things [11:03] but had not gotten to filing a bug yet [11:04] valorie: was your machine a clean install or an upgrade? [11:04] upgrade from lucid [11:04] same... [11:04] otherwise, everything has been great [11:05] right, Im updating again... [11:05] It may be a missing codec, no? [11:07] for youtube? [11:07] I have all codecs for gst, xine and vlc [11:07] so I'm thinking not [11:09] yeah, but if someone borked/changed something there... [11:13] well, Amarok plays with both gst and xine [11:13] haven't tried with vlc [11:13] but I reinstalled the flash-plugins, etc. [11:14] messed with all my sound settings in alsamixer, kmix [11:33] we should mention in the release notes how to switch between the desktop and netbook workspace [11:47] shadeslayer: interesting comment here, maybe we should do that as an SRU http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4331 [11:47] * shadeslayer looks [11:48] oh i saw that [11:48] possibly yes [11:52] Riddell: why doesnt canonical send ads on the television and stuff? to promote ubuntu [11:52] wouldn't that break all other fonts? [11:52] alot of people dont know about the choices they have for OS's [11:52] hmm [11:53] debfx: fontconfig should be clever enough to find the glyph in the ubuntu font even when other fonts are being used [11:53] debfx: good point :) [11:53] shadeslayer: for a product given away at no cost? doesn't make commercial sense [11:54] Riddell: we are big fans of free stuff :P [11:54] debfx: I can use the rupee symbol fine in kate which is using a monospace font (so not ubuntu font) [11:56] btw i cant find it :P [11:56] the rupee symbol [11:57] shadeslayer: ₹ [11:57] im in the character selector > Symbols > Currency Symbols [11:57] indeed, it works fine [11:57] fontconfig++ :) [11:57] debfx: ah yes, i have liberation in quassel and it works [11:59] Riddell: we should contact one of the news channels here and send them a quick report ^_^ [12:00] shadeslayer: I think you have to edit /usr/share/locale/currency/inr.desktop manually [12:00] shadeslayer: go for it [12:02] debfx: CurrencyCodeIsoNumeric3=356 ?? that line? [12:02] i can get the code from wikipedia [12:02] shadeslayer: CurrencyUnitSymbols [12:03] ahok [12:03] * shadeslayer prepares patch [12:03] http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/rupee.html copy and paste :) [12:04] gah.. nano doesnt show it -.- [12:04] file a bug with the debdiff for SRU [12:04] use kate [12:04] yeah [12:15] mailz sent [12:15] now i wonder if they even look at that email address ;) [12:16] * shadeslayer will post to CNN-IBN as well [12:18] oh dear [12:22] shadeslayer: thy shall not use the nano!@!@! [12:22] ok ... but its easy :D [12:23] no it is not [12:23] vim is easy [12:23] and vim is supreme [12:24] kate! [12:24] editor flame war!! [12:24] \o/ [12:25] V-I-M!!!! [12:25] there is nothing to flame war about [12:25] vim is supreme period [12:25] K-A-T-E!!!!4444 [12:25] N-A-N-O [12:25] * shadeslayer looks at Riddell [12:26] hm [12:26] nonono [12:26] * apachelogger dares Riddell not to say the E word [12:26] e as exterminate? [12:26] no, the bad E word [12:27] ulysses: e as in you-know-the-text-editor-which-starts-with-e [12:27] has mac in the middle [12:27] the one from the man with the beared [12:27] yes, right, santa clause [12:28] ed? [12:28] nano is perfectly fine to edit config files :p [12:28] nano is not fine for anything [12:28] oh, I get it [12:28] * shadeslayer hugs debfx [12:28] echo is finer than nano [12:28] in fact I found myself echoing stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list in pbuilders :P [12:30] anyhow [12:30] need to get updated on software architectures [12:30] also think a bit about natty [12:41] apachelogger: Great news that you will be at UDS! I look forward to buying you a beer! :D [12:46] http://pastebin.com/qLzfXcMd :: does that look ok? [12:46] or does Rs come before [12:47] hmm.. default should be changed too [13:06] So yeah, after upgrade to maverick, seems like flash vids have super speed - both dailymotion and youtube tested [13:06] Riddell: any ideas? [13:06] I'm afraid not [13:07] I've not heard of that problem and of course flash is a closed box to us [13:07] jussi: tried the new flash 64 bit packages? [13:07] probably a good I dea for someone elst to test it [13:07] shadeslayer: np [13:07] no [13:07] i haz them, seems to work pretty good too [13:07] shadeslayer: where are they? [13:08] one sec [13:09] jussi: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash [13:10] who is seven machines? trustable? [13:12] no idea, but im using the packages, and omgubuntu advertised them [13:12] "omgubuntu" and "trustable" don't always go together [13:12] oh, then I should avoid them like the plague.. [13:12] heh [13:13] hehe... [13:13] try adobe's site [13:13] theres doesnt have packages [13:13] do I need to remove the 32 bit one first? [13:13] but yeah, you can download the files and move them into correct dirs [13:15] jussi: yes, remove flashplugin-installer and put the 64bit .so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [13:15] thanks debfx [13:23] shadeslayer: Riddell debfx, the new plugin doesnt help sadly :/ [13:23] :( [13:23] jussi: you downloaded it from labs.adobe right? [13:23] yup [13:23] its a pretty serious issue for upgrades... === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:10] * txwikinger has lots of complains about archives' Release files not properly updated [14:13] Riddell: what about rekonq 0.6.1 ? [14:13] voila https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/0.6.1-0ubuntu1 [14:13] ah great :D [14:14] now this is the weird [14:14] http://imgur.com/nMdan :: look at URL bar [14:14] and then below it [14:17] gtg.. cya laterz [14:26] Riddell: when do those repositories get properly rescanned? [14:31] txwikinger: the publisher runs at :03 past the hour and is done by about :40 past the hour [14:32] Ah [14:33] Riddell: which is the package for the mpeg plugins for konqueror? [14:36] how do you mean mpeg plugins? [14:37] Quintasan, shadeslayer: where are the packages made by project neon? [14:43] hmm.. even after the upgrade I still cannot use gtk-based apps [14:43] they just don't take any input (mouse or keyboard_ [14:48] in gnome everything works [14:55] ScottK: hi, re: that X/mesa patch you mentioned, yeah, I'd def be interested if you could dig it up (or give me pointers where to find it). thanks! [15:10] rdieter_work: ScottK is also away today [15:10] I guess that comment was awhile ago. oh well, I'm poking around in launchpad, afaict, you just updated to a more recent 7.9 snapshot [15:12] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa [15:12] go bezerk and break your system :D [15:14] rdieter_work: yes https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.9~git20100924-0ubuntu2 [15:15] Riddell: ok, thanks. I'm testing the 7.9 final tarball now, by all accounts, is much better indeed. [16:18] halo [16:19] jussi: I suppose you want to get me drunk and trick me into doing a memenu for kde [16:19] EHLO apachelogger [16:19] jussi: forget about it :P [16:30] brrr [16:30] kontact eats mails [16:30] or akonadi [16:30] one cannot be sure these days ^^ [16:31] apachelogger: huh, haven't seen that before [16:31] well, it had to do with my profile being all broken for whatever reason [16:42] apachelogger: of course :P [16:43] apachelogger: I was actually thinking of quassel improvements, but yeah... [16:43] brrr [16:43] I think you will have to put me on H to get me hack on quassel :P [16:43] then again I would probably not be able to hack on that, so... [16:50] apachelogger: hehe [16:50] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1183228 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h cache.cpp cache.h package.cpp) Speed up Package::isSupported() by making a cache of package index files to prevent doing a binary search for the index file from the sources list each time isSupported() is called. [16:50] apachelogger: fine, Ill use you as a pawn to get Sput working :D [16:51] Riddell, ScottK: bug 655646 <- release note about the default behaviour change maybe? [16:51] Launchpad bug 655646 in kopete (Ubuntu) "Kopete's icon not shown in system tray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655646 [16:51] uh [16:51] i haz kopete icon [16:52] jussi: you just need to send Sput lots of kisses and simley faces and all that flirty stuff, I am somewhat certain that works [16:52] apachelogger: http://imgur.com/rzJg8 [16:52] apachelogger: I sent alcohol, it worked for a time, but not anymore :( [16:52] shadeslayer: well, I manually switched it off while I was still on lucid, but from a discussion we had at a metting I gather that it ought to be off by default [16:52] jussi: your coming to UDS as well? [16:52] shadeslayer: correct [16:52] jussi: clearly he ran out of alcohol then [16:53] jussi: ooohh.... if i get my visa on friday, me too :D [16:53] apachelogger: turn it back on!!!! [16:53] oh right, I cannot do no quassel haxx0ring anyway because I need to shape shadeslayer into a clone of apachelogger [16:53] yus [16:53] shadeslayer: that would be inconsistent [16:53] jussi: apachelogger is mine! mine i say! [16:54] either the message indicator is used every where or it is not at all [16:54] apachelogger: clone of you without bugs :P [16:54] i haz bugs of my own ^_^ [16:54] shadeslayer: they arent bugs, only features [16:54] also note that I think the issue reported there is not about not being able to have a kopete tray icon but by default not having one [16:54] hehehe [16:54] which is a behaviour change that IMHO should be documented as to avoid such bug reports [16:55] or to have a pointer for people who do report such bugs [16:55] so JontheEchidna can go RTFM $URL [16:55] yes, you can enable the icon from kopete settings [16:55] or have it in the release announcement, claydoh ^^ [16:55] shadeslayer: yes, that is not what is reported there though [16:56] also, one needs to restart kopete to get that systray icon, for some insane reason.... [16:56] from the bug description it would appear that the user expects kopete to have a tray icon after upgrade which is not the case because the default behaviour changed with regards to that [16:56] shadeslayer: feel free to fix that ;) [16:56] or create a meaningful replacement for kopete, eitherway is fine with me [16:57] TBH kopete is not as visually appealing as it should be in the age of being all sorts of social over the intarwebs [16:57] kopete is getting past its best, I keep hoping some new telepathy replacement will pop up one day [16:58] Riddell++ [16:58] empathy-kde? :D [16:58] surely what is missing is a qgraphicsitem ^^ [16:58] like with a proper KDE video player [16:58] that too [16:58] dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kdeaccessibility and project-neon-kdeaccessibility :: wth [16:59] Riddell: btw, do you know a thing or two about QtDBus? I am working on a follow up blog post about specific QtDBus experience as part of my GSoC project and was hoping that you could have a look at it before I publish (after release of maverick of course) [17:00] shadeslayer: grep kdeaccessibility debian/control :P [17:00] I'd think agateau knows a lot more than I do [17:00] apachelogger: I know a bit about qtdbus indeed [17:01] oh, ok, I will poke you then, once it is ready ;) [17:01] apachelogger: it is my understanding you will be at UDS, right? [17:01] yups [17:01] apachelogger: great! we can have a look there if you wish [17:02] agateau: well, I just need some overal sanity review on the post, it is not very long [17:02] * apachelogger tries to keeps his posts to the point since he himself has a tendency to go TLDR on other's posts ^^ [17:02] apachelogger: ok, feel free to poke me when it's ready [17:02] kthx [17:02] * apachelogger starts looking for his notes on UDS discussion material [17:02] apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/kdeaccessibility-ubuntu/annotate/head:/control :: dunno whats wrong [17:03] Riddell: do I just toss things at the wiki page for now and we select later? [17:03] apachelogger: yes [17:03] shadeslayer: Source: kdeaccessibility [17:03] shadeslayer: your probably says project-neon-kdeaccessibility [17:03] Riddell: okidoki [17:08] hmm [17:10] Riddell: can i put rekonq 0.6.1 for lucid in kubuntu ppa which has 4.5.1? [17:17] * apachelogger is wondering where that other sheet with notes on discussion topics for UDS went [17:18] ...jussi must have hidden it, so I have more time to implement a memenu... [17:18] -.- [17:18] hehe [17:19] maybe he put it inside ubottu [17:19] !find apachelogger's notes on stuff to discuss at UDS [17:19] notes is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable [17:19] :O [17:19] lol [17:19] !find apachelogger [17:19] Package/file apachelogger does not exist in lucid [17:20] aww [17:20] :D [17:20] that bot is so broken [17:20] so horribly utterly broken [17:20] apachelogger: you need to rectify that [17:20] I am becoming java haxx0r now [17:21] ok so kde a11y done for neon :D [17:21] a11y is really done for... [17:21] I think the only truely working app there is jovie, and even there you need to do hardcore messing to get the backend in order [17:23] oh craps [17:27] shadeslayer: can it go in normal backports? [17:28] Riddell: it depends on KDE 4.5.1 it would seem [17:28] aye [17:28] ok, kubuntu-ppa/updates it is then [17:28] and ScottK wont allow 4.5.1 in lucid :) [17:28] alright [17:29] shadeslayer: did I ever find out why 0.6.1 depends on kde 4.5.1? [17:29] nope [17:30] Riddell: updates has 4.4.5 [17:30] shadeslayer: sorry I mean backports [17:30] ok [17:30] also [17:30] shadeslayer: how did koffice go? [17:30] ah, nvm [17:30] Riddell: its still in pbuilder .. loads of breakages [17:31] the latest one being http://pastebin.com/7Dy1EnDj [17:34] well that's why you compile it locally first to do the necessary updates to the packaging before using pbuilder [17:35] have you run dh_install --list-missing to add the new files? [17:36] yes im working on it ;) [17:43] jussi: I'm working hard on preparing scripting support! [17:44]