meebey.oO( Smuxi uses 2 minutes interval )00:19
kenvandinehigh... i think low :)02:44
kenvandineconsidering facebook and twitter rate limiting stuff02:44
RAOFWhich is per app-key, right?02:44
kenvandinewell, facebook is02:46
kenvandinetwitter sucks less :)02:46
RAOFApart from the oauth fun? :)02:46
kenvandinebut at least twitter throttles the user that is abusing it... not everyone... SUCK02:47
hallynupgraded my maverick laptop this afternoon, now gdm says it can't load nvidia module.  known problem?02:50
hallyn(probably should ask on #ubuntu-kernel, but figured i have to start somewhere)02:51
hallyn(tried to submit a bug, but elinks brings me to a page sayingn launchpad is broken)02:51
RAOFhallyn: That problem is not known to me, but you'll need to provide some hardware details before I can say something useful about your problem.02:54
hallynRAOF: nvidia GT218 (GeForce 310M) rev a202:57
RAOFOk, so it's not that we don't have an nvidia driver for your card that supports Xserver 1.9, then.02:58
RAOFLoggities?  /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/dkms.log are nice :)02:58
hallynRAOF: yeah, i submitted a bug that should have those, but actually i suspect it used the wrong logs02:59
cyphermoxkenvandine, could you review / sponsor an update to vte?02:59
RAOFFeel like pointing me at that bug? :)02:59
hallynthat is, i'm booted into the previous kernel right now, so gdm/:0.log.0 probably is from THIS kernel's failure02:59
hallynRAOF: i'd love to, still waiting for the email confirming it02:59
hallyni'll try to attach the correct logs, but am having to use elinks for this...03:00
RAOFBut /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is probably the right thing, and /var/log/dkms.log should still apply.03:00
hallyni have no /var/log/dkm*03:00
hallynRAOF: pastebin.com/c8fhjSaZ03:01
hallynthat's Xorg.0.log.old03:01
* hallyn kisses pastebinit03:01
hallynRAOF: bug is 65544603:02
RAOFbug #65544603:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 655446 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xorg won't start (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65544603:02
RAOFDoes it work if you boot into the 2.6.35-22-generic kernel?03:04
RAOFBecause you *do* have an nvidia kernel module for 2.6.35-22-generic, but not for 2.6.35-20-generic03:05
hallynRAOF: no, that's the one that gives me a useless blank screen so i can't even drop to terminal03:05
hallynRAOF: at least 2.6.35-20-generic gives me a console :)03:06
RAOFSo, next question: is your chip actually supported by the nvidia drivers we have…03:06
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hallynRAOF: it used to work until i upgraded today03:07
hallynRAOF: it did not work under lucid (had to use vesa)03:07
RAOFWhen did you last update?03:08
RAOFRather: my guess is that the 260 driver update, uploaded on the 4th, probably is your problem.03:09
hallynlooks like oct 203:09
hallynthat would fit03:09
RAOFCare to download the previous nvidia-current package from Launchpad and give it a whirl?03:09
hallynsure - where/how do i get it?03:10
RAOFNot that we're likely to be able to *do* much about this, but it'd be good to know what the problem is.03:10
hallyn(or should i pin the package somehow?)03:10
RAOFhttp://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers - there are links to where you can find all the previous versions.03:10
RAOFLike so:03:10
RAOFhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers - has a list of all the previous versions in Maverick.  Following one to the last 256.53 package…03:11
RAOFTakes you here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/256.53-0ubuntu3 where there's a link to the amd64 and i386 builds.03:11
RAOFGoing to the amd64 build page here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/256.53-0ubuntu3/+build/1973339 there are all the binary .debs produced, which you can download and install.03:12
hallynthat's the prevoius version?03:13
RAOF(Basically you should only need to care about the nvidia-current deb)03:13
RAOFYup.  That's the 256.53 driver version.03:13
hallynRAOF: just curious, how did an upgrade of nvidia drivers fit into feature freeze?  serious bugfixes in there?03:18
* hallyn rebooting03:19
RAOFIt certainly claims to fix quite a major performance regression in text rendering.03:19
hallynRAOF: downgrade worked, i'm back in X03:21
RAOFNow, finally, upgrade again and see if it's still broken?  It might be nice to ssh in and grab dmesg when it's frozen if you can.03:22
RAOFOk.  Looks like that *is* a known issue; just not known by me :)03:23
RAOFIn fact, it seems like you may be the lucky owner of a VPCF11 laptop, which seems to be the only one having problems!03:26
Sarvattwhoa, weird timing03:26
RAOFhallyn: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15521803:27
SarvattThere's a bug filed on panel detection problems on some VAIO laptops, so hopefully that's the same issue and it'll be fixed in a future release. For future reference, the bug number is #681330.03:27
* Sarvatt wonders where bug #681330 is03:28
ubot2Sarvatt: Error: Bug #681330 not found.03:28
RAOFAlthough that's not *quite* the same as your error.03:28
Sarvattthat vaio F series is hell, remind me not to buy one! touchpads aren't working on VPC F13's because of the screwed up pnp names in the bios too03:29
Sarvatthallyn: 256.xx works without a CustomEDID section on yours?03:30
Sarvatthallyn: is yours a quad core?03:30
Sarvattthe dual cores are optimus03:31
Sarvattjust thinking the only way yours would have worked without a CustomEDID is if it was a quad since mobile quad's dont have optimus03:32
hallynquad-core graphics chip?  how do i find out?03:32
Sarvattquad core CPU03:32
Sarvattis it an i7 xxxqm?03:32
hallynwell, 8 cores with hyperthreading03:32
Sarvattyep, makes sense then03:33
Sarvattthat model specifically is broken on 260.xx right now, and just extra broken on the dual cores :(03:34
hallyn(really is hould stick with vesa driver...  all i need for wmii)03:34
hallynRAOF: re-upgrade in progress03:34
RAOFThat sounds like it may want to be release-noted03:34
hallynSarvatt: btw, i know i spent a lot of time in lucid trying to get CustomEDID stuff working, but not sure i needed it in maverick (and it never worked in lucid)03:35
hallynand i can't recall where it got set03:35
TheMusoRAOF: Ah I was wondering why GUI performance especially in gnome-terminal was sluggish recently. Did a fresh install the other day, so am on nouveau atm, but must try the nvidia drivers again...03:36
Sarvattyou shouldn't need it, it's just for people with dual core variants because they have both intel and nvidia GPU's03:36
RAOFTheMuso: Yeah.03:36
RAOFHm.  We're not testing final ISOs at this point, it seems?03:36
Sarvattfriday isn't it?03:36
TheMusoBut things are going to be going into lockdown very very soon.03:36
TheMusoThey have to get archive stuff done, which takes a while afaik, as well as mirrors.03:37
hallynRAOF: after upgrade, it again failed, and i can't ssh into it (times out - and i dn't use network-manager...)03:40
RAOFAnyway, looks like you've found your solution.03:40
hallynback after re-downgrade and 2 more reboots...03:40
hallynRAOF: thanks!03:40
cyphermoxRAOF, hi03:52
RAOFcyphermox: Ho!03:53
cyphermoxI can't find the wiki page for the remote X stuff with wifi on the command line, do you remember what it is ?03:53
cyphermox(I wanted to update it with nmcli info)03:53
RAOFOh, thanks!03:53
RAOFOk.  So, I should also link that page more prominantly, so that people can actually find it!03:55
cyphermoxah! awesome03:56
cyphermoxI was so close too >.<03:56
TheMusoPoor conman users.03:57
* RAOF hasn't seen the rationale for using that over writing a network-manager indicator :/03:58
Sarvatthallyn: does nouveau work?03:58
hallynSarvatt: it didn't.  haven't' tried since lucid03:59
RAOFSarvatt: That's fermi-class hardware, right?03:59
RAOFOh, well, then it might :)03:59
RAOFYou may even have reasonable 3D performance!03:59
Sarvattit should work in maverick03:59
TheMusoRAOF: I remember hearing one somewhere, but can't remember details/where I heard it.03:59
hallynhm, wirelesswithout x doesn't mention /etc/network/interfaces or wicd?04:00
hallyni take it that's by design?04:00
RAOFYou're welcome to add those in; I just added the common cases.04:00
hallynok, wasn't sure if you wanted to stick to 'recommended' methods04:00
RAOFNo, you're welcome to add extra versions, as long as NM is at the top.04:01
RAOF(Because it covers almost everybody, and is really easy)04:01
cyphermoxTheMuso, in fact, I added the little connman stuff I could from memory since I can't test it on this system04:10
cyphermoxhallyn, I think it might be better to just link to other pages that already cover such stuff at some point04:12
hallynRAOF: cool, i actually didn't know network manager had cli now.04:13
RAOFhallyn: That was cyphermox, actually.04:14
cyphermoxhallyn, new in maverick ;)04:14
hallyncyphermox: yeah, true04:14
hallyn(about the linking)04:14
cyphermoxI wish you could create connections from there too, but I guess it's going to come to it04:14
cyphermoxfor natty I'll try to write some code so that's possible... aside from looking at having indicator-network do useful stuff with both NM and connman as backends04:15
hallynppl keep mentioning connman, haven't looked at it yet04:15
cyphermoxhallyn, it's pretty nice on UNE. still kind of bare bones for the UI, but there's lots of work being done both there and in features upstream04:16
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pittiGood morning07:05
kenvandinegood morning pitti07:41
pittihey kenvandine, how are you? you're up late07:44
pittithat's a bad sign :)07:44
kenvandinegetting sleepy :)07:44
kenvandinetrying to make facebook happy07:44
kenvandinei think i might have figured out what is killing gwibber's allocation07:45
* kenvandine is getting really sick of facebook mysteries07:45
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didrocksgood morning08:07
Cimihi didier08:08
didrockshey andrea, how are you?08:13
Cimitired :D08:20
Cimiand it's 9 o clock08:20
Ciminot good :D08:20
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pittibonjour seb12808:59
pittihey didrocks08:59
seb128hey pitti08:59
didrockshey pitti, lut seb12808:59
seb128lut didrocks08:59
seb128how are you?08:59
didrocksI'm fine, thanks! ready for a testing day :)08:59
didrocksand you?08:59
Cimihi seb09:01
seb128hey Cimi09:02
seb128didrocks, I'm fine thanks09:02
didrockssome people are reporting that evolution-indicator is broken on amd64, I unfortunatly don't have 64 bits machines to confirm :/09:18
didrocksbug #65193309:18
seb128how broken?09:18
ubot2didrocks: Bug 651933 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/651933 is private09:18
seb128I don't have amd64 installs either09:18
seb128I only use i386 there09:18
seb128but we probably have amd64 users on the channel09:19
didrocksseb128: like, no green icon when receving an email09:19
seb128is that limited to evolution?09:19
seb128ie do they get green icons for empathy messages for example?09:19
didrocksI'll ask on the bug report, it's not clear from the comments09:20
mvoI have a 64bit instlal, but don't use evo09:20
mvocan I still help?09:20
didrocksmvo: do you use empathy? :)09:21
seb128be careful as well with the evolution issue, I think it counts only emails in the inbox09:21
seb128mvo, do you use pidgin with the message indicator?09:21
seb128mvo, do you ever seen the envelop icon going green? ;-)09:21
didrocksyeah, only emails on the inbox. Not sure how to interpret "a new mail in inbox" from the reporter (is it his real inbox? :))09:21
seb128you can ask from a sceenshot and if there is a non 0 count in the indicator09:22
mvoI don't know, I don't look much at this menu09:22
mvobut I have started empathy now09:22
seb128mvo, you are not online?09:23
seb128or maybe I don't have you in my list09:23
seb128didrocks, well to be honest I never saw the indicator turn green for emails there09:24
seb128but I move most of my emails in subfolders on the server09:24
seb128on imap09:24
didrocksseb128: I got it when it's in my inbox09:25
didrocks(on imap)09:25
seb128when it arrives and evolution is not focussed only right?09:25
seb128or does it count unread email?09:25
seb128like if you mark an email unread now does the indicator turn green?09:25
didrocksno, incoming emails only, when evolution isn't focussed09:25
didrockswhen you click on evolution, whatever you do, it's reset to 009:25
seb128ok, I don't think I ever do that, I go and click send&receive every now and then09:25
didrocks(which isn't a great experience IMHO)09:26
seb128mvo, did you connect to jabber?09:27
mvoseb128: it imported my data twice09:27
mvoseb128: now I'm connecting, sorry, that confused me a bit09:27
mvomy indicator is doing somehting09:28
seb128it's turning green?09:28
seb128do you have a seb128 line in it?09:28
nisshhmvo, it's indicating something?09:28
mvoseb128: yes09:29
seb128mvo, ok great, so it's not broken for everybody on amd6409:29
seb128mvo, thanks for testing09:29
didrocksthanks mvo :)09:30
didrocksso, it's either the users not knowing the limitation of evolution-indicator or there is a real bug on amd6409:31
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seb128didrocks, I would say the user doesn't know how it work or desactivated the option in the evolution preferences09:32
seb128or uninstalled evolution-indicator09:32
chrisccoulsonyay, another stick of RAM arrived at my house this morning \o/09:32
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:32
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:32
seb128chrisccoulson: you will be able to start a RAM selling business rsn09:32
seb128if you keep this way ;-)09:32
chrisccoulsonheh :-)09:33
didrockswell, they are giving the version in the bug report, so, I won't assume they remove it (and 2 people are confirming it on amd64)09:33
didrockswe'll see, I'll add a comment once launchpad is up again09:33
seb128didrocks, launchpad is back09:34
didrocksyeah, commenting :)09:34
seb128did you have to register again as well?09:35
didrockshum, I can't branch…09:40
didrocksit's ok now09:41
chrisccoulsonyay, it works \o/09:46
seb128chrisccoulson, how much ram do you have now?10:30
chrisccoulsonseb128 - 4GB10:30
seb128what did you do with the sticks you couldn't use?10:30
chrisccoulsoni've just got the extra sticks sitting on my desk now10:31
chrisccoulsonwill put them on ebay later ;)10:31
nicolaskhi, anybody having problems of nautilus not working(not responding) after upgrade to rc Ubuntu 10.10?11:06
seb128mvo, hey11:13
seb128bug #65523111:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 655231 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "should build without using GTK deprecations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65523111:13
seb128in case you didn't notice ;-)11:13
mvoseb128: that is merged already, no?11:14
seb128mvo, oh right, you just didn't update the bug status, doing that now11:14
seb128mvo, sorry for the noise11:14
mvono problem11:14
mvobug #655132 looks like something for you11:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 655132 in brasero (Ubuntu) "package libbrasero-media1 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-audio2cue.so', which is also in package brasero 0:2.30.2-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65513211:15
seb128didrocks, ^ do you think you could check on this one?11:16
didrocksseb128: sure11:16
didrocksseb128: ok, just had a look at brasero. Do you think it should be a 0 day SRU (as it's just for updates and people rely more on archives that CD I guess) or should we get it in final?11:48
seb128didrocks, you can try to upload now11:48
seb128seems they are not rolling isos yet11:48
didrocksseb128: ok, doing then11:48
seb128didrocks, thank you!11:49
seb128rickspencer3, hey11:50
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rickspencer3hi seb12812:12
didrockshey rickspencer312:16
rickspencer3hi didrocks\12:16
chrisccoulsonhi rickspencer312:17
rickspencer3hey chrisccoulson12:17
rickspencer3how is everybody?12:17
rickspencer3what's the work on the street?12:17
didrocks… working :) anything special, maverick looks very good. Preparing the first salve of SRU (and new Quickly released btw :))12:20
cyphermoxI have a branch ready for bug 621927, but launchpad isn't cooperating ;)13:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 621927 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable (affects: 68) (dups: 16) (heat: 364)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62192713:11
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cyphermoxah, chrisccoulson, I wanted to ask you about your opinion on this ^ essentially I'm setting TERM if it's unset as the terminals get initialize, so that should fix starting lxterminal, etc. from the menus. couldn't see an adverse effect on synaptic either13:13
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, i'm not sure, i'd need to try and figure out how this is meant to work first13:15
mvocyphermox: synpatic will set a TERM itself, so that should be fine13:18
mvocyphermox: how is the synaptic port going btw?13:19
chrisccoulsoni wish my keyboard would notify me when it's batteries are low13:21
chrisccoulsonhaving the keyboard die suddenly can be quite surprising!13:21
cyphermoxmvo, half-way done maybe13:23
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, I've seen in one place qense mentioning apps using libvte should set TERM, but libvte is already messing around with TERM a lot. perhaps it really should be not touching it at all, or touching it, either way setting the emulation should translate in setting TERM as well to let cli apps know what emulation is used13:25
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mvocyphermox: don't hesitate to push a half-done branch13:28
cyphermoxI will shortly, most likely13:28
cyphermoxplan today is head to the office in a couple of minutes to work on this and look at a NM/resolv.conf bug someone is having13:29
cyphermoxlp is still scanning the branch :/13:29
mterryseb128, another good gtk3 migration flag: -DGTK_DISABLE_SINGLE_INCLUDES13:40
seb128mterry, oh right ;-)13:41
seb128I've opened a bunch of extra bugs today13:41
mterryseb128, I saw, I'm going through13:41
seb128is there somebody with upload rights to universe who want to work on bug #654392?13:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 654392 in tracker (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "package deskbar-applet 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite directory '/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/deskbar-applet' in package libdeskbar-tracker 0.6.95-1ubuntu6 with nondirectory (affects: 8) (dups: 7) (heat: 66)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65439213:44
hallynis https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia/Nouveau still the right way in maverick to try out nouveau if i'm currently using nvidia drivers?13:46
seb128hallyn, hey, try asking on #ubuntu-x13:46
seb128np ;-)13:46
bilalakhtarseb128: yes I can work on that13:49
seb128bilalakhtar, thanks13:49
seb128bilalakhtar, could you assign the bug to yourself to make sure nobody else start working on it?13:49
seb128mvo, ^13:49
bilalakhtarseb128: okay, well, does this thing affect both packages?"13:50
seb128bilalakhtar, cf #ubuntu-devel13:50
bilalakhtarseb128: seen13:51
mvoseb128, bilalakhtar: given that libdeskbar-tracker is not build anymore it seems like the simpletst solution is to just add a conflict to ensure the package gets removed on upgrade13:52
bilalakhtarThanks mvo , will do just that13:52
chrisccoulsonbilalakhtar, it shouldn't require any tracker changes13:53
bilalakhtarchrisccoulson: yes, just realised that, un-assigning myself and invalid-ing it13:54
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seb128kenvandine, hey13:59
bilalakhtarseb128: This is a desktop package. I guess I will need to get the change in the bzr branch as well, right?13:59
seb128bilalakhtar, no, just drop the vcs in control if there is one14:00
seb128it's there from the time deskbar-applet was in the default installation14:00
seb128it doesn't make sense now that's it's in universe14:00
bilalakhtarseb128: ah, yeah, I will14:00
seb128bilalakhtar, thanks14:01
bilalakhtarseb128: you're welcome14:01
seb128mterry, is libdbusmenu one of those libraries that will need to be built with gtk2 and gtk3? I guess so?14:01
seb128mterry, do you want to work on that while you are on it?14:01
mterryseb128, yup, am doing so now  :)  adding --with-gtk=2 or 314:02
seb128rickspencer3, wb14:08
seb128rickspencer3, sorry I was at lunch when you replied before, no concerning issues with maverick it seems14:09
bilalakhtarmvo, seb128: Uploaded, now waiting for an AA to approve it14:14
seb128bilalakhtar, thanks14:14
bilalakhtarseb128: you're welcome, after all, my aim is to be an ubuntu-desktop'er!14:15
kenvandinehey seb12814:15
seb128kenvandine, how are you?14:15
kenvandinetired... and you? :)14:15
seb128I'm fine thanks14:16
seb128kenvandine, you do filter out bugs you are directly subscribed to right?14:16
seb128kenvandine, I've subscribed you and ted to some indicator-me bugs14:16
* kenvandine looks14:16
seb128would be nice if you could comment on those when you have some time14:16
kenvandinewill do14:19
kenvandineseb128, bug 634957 , we had left that against indicator-applet because tedg wants a more generic way to fix it14:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 634957 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63495714:21
kenvandineted wants to investigate fixing it somewhere in the indicator stack14:23
seb128kenvandine, ok, feel free to reopen adding a comment then14:23
kenvandinei am14:23
seb128it was not clear from it14:23
seb128well the applet seems wrong14:23
kenvandineyeah... well he should have commented on the bug :)14:23
kenvandineyeah, probably libindicate14:23
seb128can you reassign as well?14:23
seb128I'm trying to clean the applet list to not be a collection of bugs for other part of the stack14:23
kenvandinei know their bugs are a mess14:24
chrisccoulsonhmmm, we're making firefox crash somehow :/14:36
chrisccoulsonall from ubuntu users14:36
seb128chrisccoulson, well at least it shows the crash submitting works ;-)14:38
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, unfortunately the stack traces aren't useful due to another bug on the mozilla side14:39
chrisccoulsonbut, i can recreate the crash anyway14:39
chrisccoulsonit seems all the reporters are running maverick14:39
seb128you can recreate it? how?14:39
seb128chrisccoulson, where do you see the stacktrace or duplicates?14:41
chrisccoulsonseb128 - just visiting code.google.com/webfonts ;)14:41
seb128I don't think I want to crash my browser :p14:42
chrisccoulsonseb128 - if you click the "Comments" tab, it shows a list of people who left comments, with a link to their reports14:42
seb128where does it crash? in which function I mean14:42
chrisccoulsonnot sure yet, i'm just about to run it through GDB14:42
seb128ok, they all have it crashing on the same website14:43
kenvandinechrisccoulson, i got 2 crashes on our stackexchange site too14:45
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, you mean that you got the browser to crash as well?14:45
chrisccoulsondid you submit those crash reports?14:45
kenvandineyeah, and yes14:45
chrisccoulsoncould i have the crash ID?14:46
kenvandinei think it was last weekend14:46
kenvandineone sec14:46
kenvandineNo crash reports have been submitted.14:46
kenvandinei chose to submit them...14:46
chrisccoulsonhmmm, that's strange14:46
kenvandinebut then my browser just restarted...14:46
chrisccoulsonyou haven't cleaned anything in your profile have you?14:46
kenvandinei had thought it was fishy that it doesn't ask me anything14:47
kenvandineoh... actually it might have crashed in a VM14:47
* kenvandine can't remember anymore14:47
chrisccoulsonah :)14:47
kenvandineand i trash my VMs every monday :/14:48
kenvandinei think it was on voting on answers14:48
kenvandinehappened twice in the same day, i think saturday14:48
cyphermoxso it looks like LP isn't ready to scan my branch yet... could someone review/merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/vte/lp621927 to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/vte/ubuntu ? This is to fix bug 62192715:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 621927 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable (affects: 68) (dups: 16) (heat: 364)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62192715:08
mdeslaurpitti: ha! just noticed your GPG key contains your picture! :)15:15
seb128hey cyphermox15:16
cyphermoxhey seb12815:16
seb128chrisccoulson, mvo: ^ could you review the fix cyphermox worked on?15:16
seb128you know the code a bit15:16
cyphermoxI'd gladly make a merge request but the branch isn't scanned yet... otherwise I can make a debdiff15:17
pittimdeslaur: yeah, wanted to play with that, and it's easy to sign if you know me :)15:17
seb128I guess people can still get it and locally diff?15:17
cyphermoxseb128, yeah15:17
seb128should be alright then15:17
mdeslaurpitti: darn, now I have to import your picture into my fake pitti gpg key :)15:18
pittihappy gimping15:18
mvoseb128: sure, once I can get a diff from it15:20
seb128mvo, well you can checkout and diff locally15:20
seb128it seems launchpad is having issues15:20
cyphermoxseb128, db python upgrade or something, apparently15:22
mterrymdeslaur, I share your frustration with the annoying upgrade treadmill of faking pitti's identity15:30
mdeslaurmterry: lol :)15:30
pittiguess why I renewed my key15:30
pittiso that you now have 4096 bits to crack instead of 102415:31
mdeslaurpitti: yeah, I had to update my trojaned windows distributed cracking screensaver15:31
mvocyphermox: the patch for vte looks good16:13
cyphermoxmvo: cool16:15
cyphermoxmvo: I wish it was better, but looking at the vte code I don't quite agree with how it's been done in general, but the changes I'd make are much bigger than this ;)16:16
mvocyphermox: heh :) no worries, vte is "interessting", thats for sure16:22
cyphermoxhehe yeah ;)16:26
cyphermoxmvo: btw, in progress branch for synaptic: lp:~mathieu-tl/synaptic/porting-to-gtkbuilder16:28
chrisccoulsoni'm finding pango quite "interesting" too ;)16:29
cyphermoxI haven't had a "chance" to touch pango yet ;)16:31
mvocyphermox: cool16:31
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njinara: already in rebuild 201006.1 ?18:13
aranjin, it was a problem with the build itself, not with bugs18:13
njinops 20101006.118:13
njinok for me work18:14
didrockssport + dinner, bb in an hour or so18:37
chrisccoulsonnow it's time to see if the extra 2GB of RAM makes a difference with a firefox build18:39
seb128didrocks, sport?18:41
seb128didrocks, you? ;-)18:41
seb128mvo, nice catch for this gconf upgrade issue18:41
mvoseb128: I just commited a fix18:46
mvoseb128: could you double check the branch please?18:46
mvoseb128: jibel deserves all the credit, I just did the easy fixing :)18:46
mvoseb128: commited it to bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gconf/ubuntu/18:47
mvoseb128: if it looks ok, just upload or I will do it when I'm back (in ~45min or so)18:47
seb128mvo, seems fine to me18:48
njinara: the tracker is closed19:01
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kenvandineseb128, your going to set launchpad on fire today!19:20
jcastroseb128: I think he's doing all the work tedg hasn't been doing19:21
seb128kenvandine, right, what jcastro said19:30
seb128kenvandine, sorry you got subscribed to indicator bugs as well but since dx seems to need to be pushed to work on things... ;-)19:31
* kenvandine will help nag them :)19:32
seb128kenvandine, thanks ;-)19:39
mterryseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-appmenu/deprecations/+merge/3777719:44
seb128tedg, bratsche: ^19:44
seb128mterry, great ;-)19:46
tedgWoot, a single function!  That's better than I thought we'd be :)19:46
tedgThanks mterry!19:46
mterrytedg, yeah, that was an easy one  :)19:46
seb128seems we will get the indicator stack cleaned before UDS19:47
seb128mterry, great work ;-)19:47
seb128mterry, let me know if have other things you would work on or would prefer to start work on python with gir or something19:48
seb128I sort of tried to set tasks which allow us to work on maverick without needing gtk3 or new packages until UDS19:48
mterryseb128, I've been doing a few other things too.  Like writing vala-dep-scanner (https://launchpad.net/vala-dep-scanner) for the quickly vala template.  :)19:48
seb128mterry, excellent ;-)19:49
seb128mterry, well feel free to pick in anything you think is useful19:49
mterryseb128, yeah.  I've been chomping at the bit to do the gtk3 conversion though.  This deprecation work leaves me feeling incomplete.  :)19:49
seb128I'm setting those gnome3 clean tasks as a todolist for those who want19:49
seb128but I'm not opposed to people to pick on other tasks19:49
* mterry waits for natty to open19:50
seb128mterry, we need to port things to gsettings as well19:50
seb128if you like that better19:50
mterryseb128, oh yeah...  guh, that's like real work.  :)  I recently did deja-dup, so I am a bit familiar.  I could give it a go.  Have you started tagging such bugs?19:50
seb128mterry, otherwise feel free to start on desktop merges locally or to get gtk3 from debian pkg-gnome svn and start updating libindicate, etc for multi builds19:51
seb128mterry, no, I did the gtk3 ones today, I will start on the gsettings one tomorrow19:51
seb128mterry, by time you wake up I will have a list you can use to pick tasks for those19:51
seb128we need to maintain a tasklist somewhere19:52
mterryk.  still plenty of deprecation work in the meantime19:52
seb128we have several porting lists now, the versions in the title, merges and, gtk3 builds19:52
seb128well maybe I should try to get gtk3 in a ppa19:52
seb128then we start updating GNOME libs to do gtk2 and gtk3 builds19:52
seb128we should work with debian on that though to make sure they take the same packaging19:53
seb128I'm not sure if we should have 2 sources19:53
seb128or 2 builds from the same source19:53
mterryseb128, I've seen packages build twice from the same source.  It didn't seem too complicated19:54
cdbsHave GNOME upstreams began their migration to gtk3?19:54
mterrycdbs, yeah, this week was 2.91.0 tarballs, which *should* use gtk319:54
cdbsmterry: ah19:55
seb128mterry, right, multi build is not really hard19:56
seb128we do in a few packages19:56
seb128I guess it depends if libs have a build time choice for the gtk to use19:56
seb128or if one serie is using gtk2 and the new one gtk3, in which case they are different sources19:57
seb128well my gut feeling is that we should stay in porting tasks for this week until maverick19:58
seb128then let's see when next distro open and we can start on merges from debian and updates19:58
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mterryseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-messages/deprecation/+merge/3777819:59
seb128another easy one? ;-)19:59
seb128hum annoying that launchpad diff are still broken19:59
mterryseb128, oh, it will show up, just takes a sec20:00
mterryor at least that was true earlier today20:00
mterryrecent breakage?20:00
seb128it seems they break things during the downtime earlier today20:00
seb128but that was before you were up so if it worked for you they probably fixed it20:00
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-appmenu/deprecations/+merge/37777 is still not done though20:01
seb128well rather it failed it seems20:01
mterryhrm, yeah20:01
seb128it might be broken until tomorrow's downtime for the remaining update they have to do20:01
didrocksseb128: how insulting!!! :-)20:02
didrocksbut fair ;)20:02
seb128didrocks, ;-)20:02
seb128slomo_, what is missing for gtk3 in debian?20:03
didrocksmterry: also, if you want to begin some Quickly works, I have suggestion of stuff that will be planned for next cycle too :-) (like refactoring the ubuntu-application code, or adding testsuite, or adding the Quickly pluginto gedit :))20:11
mterrydidrocks, yeah, I've been meaning to sit down and look at a test suite20:12
didrocksthat would be awesome :)20:12
mterrydidrocks, seb128 just has all this fun work to do20:12
didrockssure, I was just wondering if you just lacked of Quickly tasks or if seb128 was stealing you :p20:12
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seb128mterry, well fell free to select yourself tasks you think you should work on20:13
seb128I think there is no hurry right now20:13
didrocks(kidding of course on stealing :-))20:13
seb128mterry, speaking of which, are you interest in maintaining glade20:16
seb128glade3, anjuta stack, gedit20:16
slomo_seb128: same as last time... copyright file, making sure that everything is built correctly and put into the correct binary packages and dpkg-diverts for debian/gtk-config.1 and debian/update-icon-caches20:17
mterryseb128, I could.  It's not something I dreamed of as a kid, but I suppose that speaks more to my lack of imagination than anything.20:18
seb128slomo_, do you plan to have any time in the next weeks to finish that?20:18
seb128mterry, is there anything you dreamed of as a kid that match our team tasks? ;-)20:18
didrocks(porting to gtk3) :-)20:18
mterryseb128, don't make me feel bad for being a dumb kid20:19
seb128if the tasks match what people want it's better ;-)20:19
slomo_seb128: not really, i'm very busy at the moment... maybe i find some time for it but don't wait for me to do it :)20:19
seb128slomo_, ok, I might pick the current packaging and put in a ppa to see how it goes20:19
cyphermoxmterry, that probably makes me a very weird kid, dreaming of maintaining network-manager ;D20:19
mterryseb128, but sure, I can take on glade20:20
mterrycyphermox, :)20:20
slomo_seb128: should be fine after adding the diversions, the main thing that keeps me from finishing the package is the copyright file20:20
seb128slomo_, I'm not sure I care about the diversions, nobody is going to remove gtk2 any time20:21
seb128so I can just make gtk3 not ship them for now20:21
seb128it would allow people to get started on doing multi build for the others libs ;-)20:21
seb128gnome-desktop etc20:21
slomo_seb128: then you have to make sure that gtk3 depends on gtk2 for that update script ;)20:21
seb128well I just want a ppa people can use for porting20:22
seb128so it can be a bit broken20:22
seb128but as said I don't see anybody removing gtk2 in the next years20:23
seb128or next year20:23
jcastroeven motif is still around, so don't sweat it20:23
seb128mterry, when you start on a bug could you set the ubuntu task in progress?20:35
seb128^ others as well20:35
seb128this way we can spot easily in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtk3 what is being worked20:35
seb128this list or similar ones ;-)20:35
mterryseb128, yeah...  OK.  I wasn't working on the ubuntu side of those bugs, but I understand why it's convenient20:35
mterrynot that I was setting the upstream task to in progress either...20:36
seb128well we often abuse the ubuntu task status20:36
seb128like we set it to fix commited when the fix lands in the upstream vcs20:37
seb128it makes easier to notice what will be fixed in the next upload or has a fix to backport20:37
* didrocks waves goodnight21:20
fagannight didrocks21:20
didrocksnight fagan21:21
faganoh oh oh bon nuit is better :)21:21
didrocksalmost: "bonne nuit" :)21:21
faganhehe damn so close21:21
faganim better at speaking it than spelling it21:22
chrisccoulsonwell, i might have to think of some more blueprints for natty :/21:34
seb128chrisccoulson, don't overwork yourself21:35
seb128chrisccoulson, which ones are you thinking about currently?21:35
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i already created 3 - with the firefox-4 transition likely to take up most of my time21:35
chrisccoulsonbut i've nearly done one of them ;)21:36
micahgchrisccoulson: do you think I should readd my apport blueprint from last cycle, I still have the notes21:36
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, can do21:37
seb128chrisccoulson, which ones?21:37
seb128chrisccoulson, you will probably be enough to do with the new firefox, cleaning fonts and some GNOME tasks21:37
chrisccoulsonseb128 - other-desktop-n-thunderbird-messaging-indicator, other-desktop-n-firefox-4 and other-desktop-n-firefox-pgo-builds21:38
chrisccoulsonthe latter one will probably be done before we go to UDS21:38
micahgchrisccoulson: do you mind if I send a message to the -devel list about the Mozilla team's sessions to get them on the radar?21:39
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, that's ok21:39
micahgchrisccoulson: what do you think of TB on top of xul?21:40
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i'm not sure. can thunderbird actually build with libxul?21:44
micahgchrisccoulson: not yet, it's in progress though21:44
chrisccoulsonseb128 - rick also created a thunderbird one - appselection-n-thunderbird-on-ubuntu21:44
chrisccoulsoni guess we could just use the one blueprint though21:45
seb128chrisccoulson, I guess that's about the default email client21:45
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i'm not too sure about the scope of that21:46
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chrisccoulsonseb128 - the extra 2 GB of RAM really makes a difference21:55
chrisccoulsoni can actually use my laptop whilst doing a large build now :)21:56
kklimondachrisccoulson: how much do you have?21:56
seb128chrisccoulson, great21:56
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, 4GB now21:56
kklimondachrisccoulson: man, you were working on Firefox with only 2GB before? How did you cope? Do you have a second computer to do anything when Firefox is building? ;)21:57
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, it was a struggle21:57
seb128enough work for today, night everybody21:57
chrisccoulson'night seb12821:57
JanCseveral years ago I have built firefox on a Compaq Armada Pentium MMX with 64 MiB RAM a couple of times, and I could still surf the net while doing that, so 2 GiB should be plenty  ;)22:01
JanC(okay, it took hours to build...)22:02
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zygais it just me or is copy-paste broken when you are running unity?23:08
zygato be precise23:08
zygacopy-paste from non gnome-terminal to gnome-terminal23:08
zygafor me, the only method that works is <select in firefox> <rightclick> <copy> <rightclick in gnome terminal> <paste>23:09
zygano keyboard shortcuts work23:09
zygadoing the same operation from the menu also does not work23:09
devildante!bugs | zyga23:19
zygadevildante, eh, ok :-P23:20
zygadevildante, I know you are right23:20
zygadevildante, I just wanted to rule out something specific to my setup while working past midnight trying to get my stuff done23:20
devildanteokay, then, bye all :)23:21

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