| slangasek | huh, why are all the ubuntu seeds branches using branch format 6 | 00:20 |
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| slangasek | this is perhaps not something I should change the week of release ;) | 00:20 |
| micahg | slangasek: maybe so hardy people can work with them | 00:21 |
| slangasek | micahg: that would be silly :) | 00:21 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: upstream pulseaudio comments on the patches https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/655409 | 00:45 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 655409 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "KDE related updates to pulseaudio (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 00:45 |
| ScottK | I've been away, so I don't know where we are wrt respins and such, but if we can get bug 636482 without causing a server respin, I think we should. | 01:47 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 636482 in python-django (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Update python-django to 1.2.3 version to fix an XSS vulnerability (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636482 | 01:47 |
| ScottK | slangasek: ^^^ - Thoughts? | 01:48 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: no respins yet | 05:20 |
| cjwatson | (as in uploads won't trigger them) | 05:20 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: I'd say we should go ahead and sync python-django then. | 05:21 |
| ScottK | It'll save a USN after release and it's been tested/reviewed. | 05:21 |
| ScottK | BTW, I'll be ~offline again tomorrow (your today, I presume) as I was the previous one. | 05:22 |
| cjwatson | ok | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: according to comment 10 it can't be synced yet though | 05:25 |
| * ScottK looks | 05:25 | |
| cjwatson | may be better off with somebody sponsoring kklimonda's package | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | (or rebasing it on 1.2.3-1) | 05:26 |
| ScottK | I marked in the bug. | 05:28 |
| micahg | cjwatson: are you around? | 06:57 |
| doko_ | cjwatson, azeem_: looks like Riddell didn't see the opensync discussion here, and did go forward to remove the unbuildable packages | 07:32 |
| ara | morning all! | 07:37 |
| slangasek | ScottK: python-django> doesn't appear to impact the server, so looks ok from here | 07:50 |
| SpamapS | are we spinning isos yet? I just figured out bug 653362 .. simple fix .. hopefully ready for a sponsored upload before iso's start | 07:58 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 653362 in dovecot (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "package mail-stack-delivery 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 26)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653362 | 07:58 |
| SpamapS | FYI: hopefully this can get sponsored/uploaded before the isos spin: https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/maverick/dovecot/karmic2lucid2maverick-upgrade-fix/+merge/37707 | 08:13 |
| micahg | slangasek: if I already have an FFe, does a universe package have to be uploaded before noon UTC, or am I good for after that? | 08:14 |
| slangasek | micahg: the deadline is there to ensure that packages are successfully built on all architectures before the door is closed; so you should regard the deadline as a hard one | 08:17 |
| micahg | slangasek: k, I guess I have to wait up for a sponsor then | 08:18 |
| micahg | cjwatson: unping | 08:37 |
| micahg | slangasek: got a sponsor so no worries | 08:38 |
| ara | morning seb128, robbiew | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hey ara | 09:05 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: I still have to fix grub ... | 09:08 |
| robbiew | ara: morning (sorry...had window closed) | 09:54 |
| Riddell | doko_: uh oh, they weren't ment to be removed? | 09:58 |
| doko_ | Riddell: the latest plan was to revert the opensync upgrade, not sure I do want to touch this after the removals, at least NBS is empty | 10:21 |
| ScottK | I'd appreciate it if someone would do the sync in bug 613926 | 10:24 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 613926 in josm (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync josm 0.0.svn3514-2 (universe) from Debian sid (main) (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613926 | 10:24 |
| pitti | is there still time to do an upload of upower (trivial patch: initialize a GError, see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=a4e099c5bff9f9fdb9067a0a6bb206d4c34745ae) | 10:37 |
| pitti | it's causing a lot of crashes (bug 648414) | 10:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 648414 in upower (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "upowerd assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/upower/upowerd: double free or corruption (out): 0x00d13ec0 *** (affects: 38) (dups: 41) (heat: 338)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648414 | 10:38 |
| pitti | or should this become an SRU at this point? | 10:38 |
| pitti | I'll upload it (works fine here, see test case in bug); please reject if it's too late, then I'll prepare an SRU | 10:41 |
| Riddell | skaet: who is spinning CDs and when? | 10:48 |
| Riddell | pitti: well given that nobody is spinning CDs it should be ok to accept | 10:50 |
| Riddell | let me look | 10:50 |
| pitti | so, we'll pre-publish on Saturday, so I guess we should have the final images tomorrow, so that we can still test them all? | 10:51 |
| Riddell | we should start testing today in the hope of having final images | 10:52 |
| Riddell | but we were told that would happen from london and london isn't responding | 10:52 |
| Riddell | so shrug | 10:52 |
| pitti | I'll reinstall my main workstation with today's desktop images, for testing and kicks | 10:53 |
| pitti | (over lunch presumably, so in about an hour) | 10:53 |
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| pitti | Riddell: ok, I'll review some other bits in the queue, like d-i, grub-installer, and this utouch-grail thing | 10:54 |
| pitti | Riddell: i. e. "final call for the last passengers to the HMS Maverick" | 10:56 |
| ara | :D | 10:56 |
| pitti | ah, utouch-grail is an SRU already | 10:57 |
| pitti | dovecot looks fine, and nasty "fail to install" bug, accepting | 10:58 |
| Riddell | accepted upower | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | I think I have a fix for Marjo's critical grub2 bug | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | well, workaround, it's not really a proper fix | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | ev: we'll need a ubiquity upload containing grub-installer 1.55ubuntu4 | 11:23 |
| ev | cjwatson: right-o | 11:23 |
| mvo | can we please remove secvpn from the archive? because of bug #327482 it will not even work on most ubuntu systems (all that don't have inittab) | 11:23 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 327482 in secvpn (Ubuntu) "access to non-existent /etc/inittab (affects: 48) (dups: 31) (heat: 70)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327482 | 11:23 |
| cjwatson | ev: (won't quite be in the archive yet) | 11:23 |
| ev | indeed | 11:23 |
| Riddell | mvo: I can do that | 11:24 |
| mvo | hm, looks like I disconnected, did my message "can we please remove secvpn from the archive? because of bug #327482 it will not even work on most ubuntu systems (all that don't have inittab)" made it? | 11:25 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 327482 in secvpn (Ubuntu) "access to non-existent /etc/inittab (affects: 48) (dups: 31) (heat: 70)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327482 | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | can you subscribe ubuntu-archive to that and we'll queue it? | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: the reason you weren't getting a response is that we were busy looking at the last critical bug | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | so there's no point spinning anything yet anyway | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | I did say that I was going to be doing this on Wednesday morning ... | 11:27 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 11:27 |
| mvo | sure, thans | 11:27 |
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| cjwatson | grub2 uploaded | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | fixes Marjo's machine! might fix others, it seems quite plausible | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | PCI bus enumeration going wrong is a very believable candidate for breaking lots of machines | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | ev: any progress on that ubiquity upload? | 12:06 |
| ev | cjwatson: on it now | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | ta | 12:06 |
| * ara hugs cjwatson for fixing grub2 | 12:09 | |
| cjwatson | hopefully I haven't broken anything in the process. I don't *think* so | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | pitti,Riddell: could one of you please review grub2? | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | ara,fader_: I'd appreciate wide testing of grub2 on affected machines (and non-affected machines too for regression testing, but particularly affected machines) to find out what percentage of them that fixes | 12:25 |
| cjwatson | I can't say for sure that all of the systems on which you've had problems are suffering from the same bug. Obviously I hope they are | 12:25 |
| ara | cjwatson, I don't have access to any affected machine, but count me in for regression testing ;-) | 12:25 |
| * cjwatson nods | 12:25 | |
| cjwatson | who's reviewing and can they please review grub2? :) | 12:37 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I'll look | 12:57 |
| pitti | back; my install attempts failed three times, but seems to have ben bad media (squashfs errors) | 13:00 |
| pitti | with a different usb stick, today's ubuntun daily installs without a hitch | 13:00 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: accepted | 13:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson: seems Riddell beat me to it | 13:00 |
| ogra_ac | cjwatson, TI discovered a silicon temperature prob for which we have an x-loader fix and a test which runs since last evening and still have to run for about 2hm, when does the freeze kick in? | 13:02 |
| ogra_ac | s/hm/h | 13:02 |
| Riddell | accepting brasero too | 13:03 |
| pitti | Riddell: I'll update the xubuntu seeds to fix the oversize | 13:03 |
| pitti | done | 13:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ^ FYI (cd check mail just came in) | 13:04 |
| Riddell | NCommander: should we care about these problems? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html | 13:05 |
| doko | please review llvm-2.8 | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | ogra_ac: please upload | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: thanks | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I don't think those should be major, apart from maybe openjdk (which I thought doko had fixed?) | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | we don't care about kvm virt usb-creator on armel AFAIK | 13:09 |
| doko | no, openjdk is by intent. the old version on armel, the new version on the other archs | 13:10 |
| doko | well, openjdk-6-source is a real problem, but openjdk-6-jdk only suggests it | 13:11 |
| doko | as long as eclipse doesn't build on armel ... | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | Evan reckons that we should try to fix bug 630529 too | 13:31 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 630529 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installing from USB drive writes boot sector to USB not HDD (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630529 | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | we're working on this ... | 13:31 |
| ara | cjwatson, any ETA for the ISOs? | 13:41 |
| doko | Riddell: so the last binaries for libopensync-plugin-moto should be removed too? | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | ara: 13:31 <cjwatson> Evan reckons that we should try to fix bug 630529 too | 13:48 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 630529 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installing from USB drive writes boot sector to USB not HDD (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630529 | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | 13:35 -!- cyphermox [~cyphermox@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.cyphermox] has quit [Quit: Quitte] | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | oops | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | 13:31 <cjwatson> we're working on this ... | 13:48 |
| ara | OK | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | going as fast as possible | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | I realise the lack of stuff to test is a problem | 13:50 |
| pitti | I guess smoketesting today's dailies can't hurt, but we shouldn't add them to the tracker yet | 13:52 |
| Riddell | doko: removed | 13:54 |
| doko | ok, removing libopensync0-dev and libopensync0 too | 13:56 |
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| Riddell | doko: you mean you want me to remove them? | 14:01 |
| doko | Riddell: no, I did | 14:02 |
| doko | Riddell: but you could accept the llvm packages ;) | 14:02 |
| doko | I don't understand what the scilab upload is supposed to fix ... | 14:02 |
| doko | I can't see who did upload the package | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity 2.4.7 uploaded | 14:06 |
| cjwatson | we're also waiting for a signed wubi.exe (IS is on it) | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | doing a full test install with 2.4.7 | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | (from usb) - had already tested the active bit of the change but best be safe | 14:10 |
| Riddell | accepting llvm | 14:12 |
| doko | Riddell: sorry, clang belong to it as well | 14:17 |
| cjwatson | can somebody review that ubiquity upload? then we can run the publisher as soon as it's built and then start spinning CDs (subject to wubi signing which apparently is complicated) | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | I realise it might take a little while to review as it isn't entirely trivial. Evan and I pair-programmed it | 14:19 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: looking | 14:24 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: I'm guessing your grub changes are not in an ISO yet but will be in the next spin? | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | fader_: correct | 14:24 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: Cool. All set up to re-test. | 14:25 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: isn't this ment to also update grub-installer 1.55ubuntu4 | 14:26 |
| Riddell | ? | 14:26 |
| Riddell | looks like it is already at 1.55ubuntu4 | 14:27 |
| Riddell | ah that happened a couple of hours ago | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | that was 2.4.6, yes | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | queuebot is a little confused due to the rmadison lag | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | the one thing to note is that the bug fixed in 2.4.7 is still present in grub-installer, for d-i installations | 14:28 |
| cjwatson | I think it's higher-priority in desktop installations so I'd rather defer that part to natty | 14:28 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: ok accepting | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | thank you | 14:31 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: might be an idea to report bug 630529 on d-i as well then | 14:31 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 630529 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Installing from USB drive writes boot sector to USB not HDD (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630529 | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | mm, fair point | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | done | 14:33 |
| Riddell | doko: accepted clang | 14:37 |
| azeem_ | doko: hrm, so reverting is off the table? | 15:03 |
| doko | azeem_: afai, not off the table, but now requires now some more work. | 15:04 |
| doko | afaiu | 15:04 |
| azeem_ | ok | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity/amd64 is published, but not i386. I'm going to run the publisher by hand shortly to catch up | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | and try to make things go a bit faster | 15:23 |
| * cjwatson taps fingers waiting for the publisher | 15:57 | |
| cjwatson | (it's running cron.germinate now) | 15:57 |
| ttx | I like that calm before the storm... | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | just walking skaet through manual CD builds | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | server is done but there was a glitch in mirroring that meant that oem-config 2.4.7 wasn't there on i386 - skaet is respinning | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | (get the respins done early!) | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | ara: who can give skaet admin access to iso.qa? | 16:30 |
| ara | cjwatson, I can | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | aha | 16:30 |
| ara | skaet, which is your id at the iso tracker? | 16:30 |
| skaet | hi ara, kate.stewart | 16:33 |
| ara | skaet, done. can you refresh the page and see if you have access to the admin menu? | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | she does | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | just queueing up other builds now first | 16:37 |
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| smoser | skaet, ttx uec images build 20101006.1 started. will appear at http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/maverick/20101006.1 ~ 4 hours | 16:48 |
| ttx | smoser: ack | 16:49 |
| skaet | smoser, thanks. | 16:58 |
| micahg | ok, so I thought I had a sponsor before noon UTC, but the sponsor didn't upload, so should I still try to find someone for bug 650601 to upload? | 17:33 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 650601 in libfxscintilla (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update libfxscintilla to 2.11.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650601 | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | crap, forgot to set OFFICIAL="Release" | 17:41 |
| cjwatson | so the images generated so far are labelled wrongly | 17:42 |
| cjwatson | sorry about that folks | 17:43 |
| ttx | smoser: does that affect your cloud images ^^ ? | 17:47 |
| ttx | smoser: cjwatson says no | 17:48 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: FYI, it looks like bug 641259 is still hitting us on some servers :( | 17:48 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install (affects: 10) (heat: 74)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641259 | 17:48 |
| ttx | so you're still on track :) | 17:48 |
| smoser | well, libfxscintilla does not affect cloud images | 17:48 |
| smoser | but grub2 does | 17:48 |
| cjwatson | fader_: they'll have to stay broken now | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | I have no more available options | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | fader_: did we fix any of them? | 17:50 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: Ack, I expected as much but wanted to let you know | 17:50 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: I've tried two so far to no avail, but I'll keep trying the others | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | fader_: also, there should be a new bug | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | oh, wait, well | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | that bug was about servers | 17:50 |
| fader_ | I want to do the 10.04-grub-workaround to make sure they installed properly first | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | let's see how your testing goes | 17:51 |
| ara | skaet, cjwatson: rebuilding already? | 17:51 |
| skaet | yup, there rebuilding now... | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | ara: 17:41 <cjwatson> crap, forgot to set OFFICIAL="Release" | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | 17:42 <cjwatson> so the images generated so far are labelled wrongly | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | 17:43 <cjwatson> sorry about that folks | 17:51 |
| ara | cjwatson, OK, thanks! | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | smoser: the bit that doesn't affect cloud images is the OFFICIAL="Release" labelling that I forgot | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | fader_: maybe one could be shipped to UDS or something? | 17:52 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: Good idea, I'll see what it would take to make that happen | 17:52 |
| smoser | ok. good. yeah, i'm still on track for 20101006.1 to be testable when it arrives (maybe 3 hours from now -- 20:00 UTC) | 17:54 |
| cjwatson | fader_: are any of the affected servers in the UK? | 17:59 |
| cjwatson | fader_: if they are, elmo says I can get one brought to the office | 17:59 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: Yes, all of the affected ones are in the UK | 17:59 |
| cjwatson | woo | 17:59 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: Let me finish up verification that 10.10 installed correctly on one of them and I'll give you the info on it | 17:59 |
| cjwatson | ok, if you can give me a sample hostname that would be good | 17:59 |
| fader_ | cjwatson: The host I'm checking right now is "doubah" | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | server, desktop reposted | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | (ubuntu) | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu alternate rebuilding | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | then skaet takes over again :) | 18:00 |
| micahg | cjwatson: my sponsor fell through for libfxscintilla, should I still try to get it uploaded? | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | micahg: might as well | 18:02 |
| micahg | cjwatson: k, thanks | 18:02 |
| cjwatson | not promising to accept it; but I can promise that we won't accept it if it isn't uploaded | 18:03 |
| micahg | cjwatson: heh, ok, thanks | 18:03 |
| cjwatson | generally, during hard-freeze periods (launchpad says "pre-release freeze") you can err on the side of uploading | 18:03 |
| cjwatson | since we can always hold/reject if need be | 18:03 |
| cjwatson | kubuntu desktop posted | 18:33 |
| cjwatson | kubuntu alternate posted | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | (pub) | 18:43 |
| lfaraone | If I can approve FFes for a set of packages, can I A) approve a FFe requested by someone else and upload the same, B) request and ACK my own FFe for that same set of packages? | 19:31 |
| smoser | cjwatson, slangasek, or anyone else with ability, could youplease populate tracker with 20101006.1 for uec images and ec2 | 21:13 |
| smoser | http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/maverick/20101006.1/published-ec2-daily.txt | 21:13 |
| doko | cjwatson, Riddell: if there are image rebuilds, I'd like to fix http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=12092 | 21:48 |
| ubot4 | sourceware.org bug 12092 in libc "strstr broken for some inputs on pre-SSE4 machines" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 21:48 |
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| stgraber | any ETA on the first DVD builds (I'm mostly interested in Edubuntu) ? | 22:43 |
| NCommander | Riddell: openjdk is a problem,but not one I think that's going to get solved. Linaro was working on it, but I'm not sure of the current status of their fix | 22:59 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, ?? | 23:00 |
| ogra_ac | whats the problem ? | 23:00 |
| * ogra_ac is pretty sure that was fixed weeks ago by using a different version on arm | 23:01 | |
| ogra_ac | (and i think i tlaked about it in the meeting more than once) | 23:01 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: I know we have two different java versions for armel, but I thought that was a stopgap until the 1.9 branch could be properly fixed on ARM | 23:04 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, we dont | 23:04 |
| ogra_ac | we only have one openjdk on arm | 23:04 |
| ogra_ac | and another one on the other areches | 23:04 |
| ogra_ac | and thats on purpose (as i said in the past) | 23:05 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: must have missed that | 23:07 |
| * NCommander scures away | 23:07 | |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, it just shows up on ftbfs because neither doko nor cjwatson wanted to maintin a PAS hack for it | 23:09 |
| ogra_ac | just ignore it | 23:09 |
| NCommander | Ignore More: On | 23:10 |
| ogra_ac | :) | 23:11 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: on the plus side, apport is pretty much fixed, I just need to upload a bunch of stuff to the porting box, and we're in business | 23:11 |
| ogra_ac | awesome | 23:11 |
| ogra_ac | how is portland ? | 23:12 |
| ogra_ac | have you been adopted already ? :) | 23:12 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: great, I feel better that I have in a very long time. | 23:12 |
| NCommander | (I assume you heard I was in Portland from GrueMaster) | 23:12 |
| ogra_ac | yeah, i can imagine how portland can do that to you | 23:12 |
| ogra_ac | yeah | 23:13 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: more that being home was just not the place I could be anymore | 23:14 |
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