| abogani | Who is the -devel list manager? | 09:43 |
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| * abogani waves all | 09:43 | |
| abogani | :-) | 09:43 |
| abogani | jussi: Three lines above ^^^^ | 09:46 |
| jussi | 0/ | 09:46 |
| jussi | abogani: I am, as well as ScottL | 09:47 |
| abogani | jussi: Could you un-block my last email in -devel, please? | 09:47 |
| jussi | done | 09:48 |
| abogani | jussi: Thanks! | 09:48 |
| ScottL | abogani, if no one volunteers to make the one-page kernel wiki page, then i will do it for you :) | 11:59 |
| abogani | ScottL: You are already too much involved into too much things ;) | 12:39 |
| scott-work | abogani: oh, i see you already made the wiki page...sorry i wasn't fast enough | 12:46 |
| * scott-work has just read his email | 12:46 | |
| abogani | :) | 12:49 |
| scott-work | i signed up for open week to have an open Q&A about ubuntu studio | 13:18 |
| * scott-work wonders how many people will show up to ask questions | 13:19 | |
| scott-work | persia: at some point in the relative near future we should begin to talk about updating the seeds, meta-packages, and adding tasks | 14:22 |
| scott-work | persia: do you have any links to anything i can start reading about tasks within the metapackages, my initial google searches have been pretty fruitless | 15:30 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: you might also know of some available documentation or information about creating tasks within the metapackages | 15:33 |
| paultag | morning all :) | 16:18 |
| abogani | paultag: morning to you | 16:20 |
| paultag | abogani, How are you today? | 16:20 |
| abogani | paultag: fine and you? | 16:22 |
| paultag | abogani, not too bad. A bit busy, but not bad at all. :) | 16:22 |
| abogani | :-) | 16:23 |
| scott-work | hi paultag and abogani | 16:46 |
| paultag | scott-work, morning(?) :) | 16:46 |
| scott-work | paultag: almost noon | 16:47 |
| paultag | scott-work, ah, you're EST as well :) | 16:47 |
| scott-work | paultag: well, cst actually, so it's almost 11:00 ;) | 16:48 |
| paultag | Oh, well shucks | 16:48 |
| paultag | It's 15 minutes to noon here :) | 16:48 |
| scott-work | i didn't want to differeniate that much usually because many are eurporean or asia :) | 16:48 |
| paultag | :) | 16:49 |
| scott-work | i usually take lunch around 11:30 though, or whenever i find a convenient stopping point, or i'm just hungry ;) | 16:49 |
| paultag | scott-work, mmm, for sure -- I'm over in Cleveland right now ( Boston by birth ;) ) | 16:49 |
| * scott-work usually eats lunch at his desk to get ubuntu studio stuff done | 16:49 | |
| paultag | scott-work, what line of work are you in? | 16:49 |
| scott-work | paultag: i am the detailing supervisor for an aluminum cover company - http://www.conservatek.com/ | 16:54 |
| paultag | scott-work, kickass | 16:54 |
| scott-work | although i for a period of time i was acting engineering suerpvisor as well, coordinating with the rest of the company but not making any structural decisions | 16:55 |
| scott-work | there may be a time in the future where i may have that position thrust back upon me though :P | 16:55 |
| paultag | :) | 16:55 |
| * holstein is a jazz musician abogani | 17:14 | |
| holstein | you too? | 17:14 |
| holstein | abogani: i will also try and have a look at the kernel wiki you put together soon | 17:14 |
| holstein | and help out | 17:14 |
| scott-work | persia, TheMuso: i found a README in the tasksel package that i believe explains the task definition format - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/tasksel/maverick/annotate/head%3A/README | 18:33 |
| scott-work | from what i have seen, i am also presuming that if we define the tasks in the metapackage (e.g. ubuntustudio-audio) then this will aggregate into the ubuntu-tasks.desc file installed by tasksel | 18:34 |
| scott-work | please correct me if my understanding is incorrect | 18:35 |
| scott-work | i suppose another way to say it, if we define the desired tasks in our metapackage, the rest is handled automagickly ;) | 18:35 |
| scott-work | oh, and i understand the magic carrot (^) i believe | 19:12 |
| scott-work | persia: now i understand your previous concern about too many tasks and using tasksel | 21:45 |
| scott-work | it would appear that if we defined numerous tasks within the metapackage (e.g. ubuntustudio-audio-editsong, ubuntustudio-audio-recordinstruments, ubuntustudio-audio-playmusic) each one of these tasks would be presented in the tasksel menu during installation | 21:47 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: In Ubuntu's case, for the disks anyway, tasks are generated from seeds. | 21:49 |
| TheMuso | SO you need to put a special few fields at the top of seed files to do this. Just look at the desktop file or the audio file in the bzr branch. | 21:50 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: i have them in front of me | 21:50 |
| scott-work | each defines one task in the file | 21:50 |
| TheMuso | But then if we add tasks, we need to patch the disk build process to add the new tasks to the list. | 21:50 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: RIght | 21:50 |
| TheMuso | atm the tasks we see are limited to only what we want, so every new task requires touching things at two places. | 21:51 |
| scott-work | i saw that we would need to add a .desc file under /share/blah/tasksel to be included | 21:51 |
| TheMuso | No. | 21:51 |
| scott-work | i worried that the README was wrong about this (think it was probably for debian) | 21:51 |
| TheMuso | Yes, its for Debian. | 21:52 |
| scott-work | okay, i also saw that we should file a bug report to add the task | 21:52 |
| scott-work | this is for ubuntu? | 21:52 |
| TheMuso | Yes | 21:53 |
| TheMuso | We don't need to file a bug to add tasks to the disks. | 21:54 |
| scott-work | where are the two places that are touched for every new tasks? | 21:54 |
| TheMuso | We just need to contact Colin to ask him to add new tasks to the limit lists. | 21:54 |
| TheMuso | 1. We create a new seed file in the bzr branch, with appropriate fields at the top, as well as a list of packages we want that task/package to depend on. | 21:55 |
| TheMuso | 2. We add the new task to the limit list for Ubuntu Studio in the disk build code. | 21:55 |
| scott-work | right, that makes sense | 21:55 |
| scott-work | we define it in the meta and colin adds it to the list | 21:55 |
| scott-work | i understand that if we are installing the package the task must be listed elsewhere for tasksel to install it | 21:56 |
| TheMuso | Once the above 2 steps are done, the disk build process takes care of the rest. | 21:56 |
| scott-work | so, we _could_ define numerous tasks within the metapackage, but only include the necessary ones for installing the appropriate metapackages | 21:57 |
| scott-work | in the limit list | 21:57 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: how would you recommend updating the audio metapackage for separating into -recording, -generating, -common (and maybe -performance)? just make tasks within the -audio package and remove the ubuntustudio-audio task from the list and add the former? | 21:59 |
| TheMuso | I don't know, haven't thought about it. | 22:00 |
| scott-work | i originally thought we would make new metapackages, one per "task" (in this case ubuntustudio-audio-recording, -generating, etc) | 22:01 |
| TheMuso | Right, wouldn't that be overwhelming? | 22:02 |
| scott-work | but after learning about tasks today i would think keeping the metas as they are and arranging tasks within them would be a better way :) | 22:04 |
| scott-work | (sorry was talking to coworker) yes, quite overwhelming | 22:04 |
| TheMuso | In our situation, you would have to create more metapackages if you want more tasks. | 22:05 |
| scott-work | oh :( so we cannot incorporate more than one task per metapackage ? | 22:06 |
| * scott-work apologizes if he's being dense | 22:07 | |
| TheMuso | No we can't. | 22:07 |
| scott-work | okay, then we are back to creating more metapackages (one per tasks) if we want to seperate the audio packages | 22:08 |
| scott-work | which would be -base, -recording, -generating (maybe -performance) as we are expecting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment | 22:09 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 22:14 |
| scott-work | how difficult will it be to get new metapackages accepted into the archives? | 22:15 |
| TheMuso | Not very difficult at all. | 22:17 |
| TheMuso | Just a matter of creating files in the bzr branch, adding definitions to the ubuntustudio-meta package, and if tasks are wanted, going through the above. | 22:17 |
| scott-work | good :) | 22:18 |
| scott-work | the proccess now doesn't seem to complicated and i am excited to begin it :P | 22:24 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: although i had trouble last time trying to update the metapackage with persia :( (not trying to imply that it was persia's fault mind you) | 22:31 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 22:31 |
| scott-work | it gave me an error where it said it couldn't find the debootstrap | 22:45 |
| TheMuso | Right, you need to install the debootstrap and germinate packages. | 22:56 |
| scott-work | ah, thanks | 22:57 |
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