[00:00] <phil42> rjhall  that looks like one that should be sent to the ubuntu developers on launchpad
[00:00] <penguin42> rjhall: Which graphics card?
[00:01] <Marshall1528> buenassss
[00:02] <Marshall1528> alguien me podria ayudar a sacarme una duda
[00:03] <BUGabundo> !es > Marshall1528
[00:04] <rjhall> penguin42: hm.   it's a lenovo laptop. intel GMsomething.  let me look
[00:04] <penguin42> rjhall: When it restarts, do you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old that has some form of crash message at the bottom?
[00:04] <Marshall1528> if they only speak Spanish but everywhere I send to this channel
[00:04] <rjhall> penguin42: /var/log/messages says "agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel 965GM Chipset" which sounds about right
[00:05] <penguin42> rjhall: OK, so is there a crash at the end of Xorg.0.log.old ?
[00:05] <rjhall> penguin42: yes!
[00:05] <penguin42> rjhall: So submit a bug by running ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:05] <rjhall> penguin42: well, tjhere's a backtrace from a segfault - i assume that counts ;)
[00:06] <penguin42> rjhall: Are you running Desktop effects?
[00:06] <rjhall> penguin42: yes.
[00:06] <penguin42> rjhall: I'd turn them off and see if it gets more stable
[00:06] <Marshall1528> I have a question about Ubuntu 10.10 where I could help
[00:06] <penguin42> Marshall1528: What's the question
[00:07] <Marshall1528> 10.4 ubuntu had to update and turn on my pc says Lubuntu
[00:08] <rjhall> penguin42: and lose out on those wobbly windows?   You're not serious? ;)
[00:08] <penguin42> rjhall: Well of course they should wobble happily, but hey it's normally 3d that's a problem
[00:08] <Marshall1528> ??
[00:08] <rjhall> penguin42: fwiw i didn't have that problem with lucid
[00:09] <rjhall> although the ppt has changed i guess...
[00:10] <penguin42> rjhall: Yeh but it still shouldn't break; it sounds like a bug in the xserver though if it's crashing; the other alternative to turning your wobbly windows off is to try the xorg-edgers packages, they're bleeding edge X packages that may have more or less, or at least different bugs
[00:11] <rjhall> wow those automated bug reports contain a LOT of info.
[00:12] <Marshall1528> helppp
[00:13] <rjhall> while i'm here - is there anyway to force my /left/ monitor to be the one with the menu  bar?  Eveytime i login i have to xrandr from shell which is a minor annoyance
[00:14] <Marshall1528> someone could help me
[00:15] <rjhall> Marshall1528: what's your question?
[00:15] <Marshall1528> 10.4 ubuntu had to update and turn on my pc says Lubuntu
[00:15] <Marshall1528> ???
[00:15] <shcherbak> turn on?
[00:15] <rjhall> that's not really a question.
[00:16] <Marshall1528> yes
[00:16] <penguin42> Marshall1528: Do you have some lubuntu stuff installed as well?
[00:17] <Marshall1528> nop
[00:18] <penguin42> Marshall1528: My bet is that somewhere along the line you've installed one or two of the lubuntu packages; mine always says Kubuntu (well most places) and I've got Kubuntu, Ubuntu and some others installed
[00:19] <caglar_> Hi, I encountered with a problem on new Maverick software
[00:20] <caglar_> and need some help
[00:20] <bazhang> caglar_, ask a question then
[00:20] <Marshall1528> but not when I go to system on ubuntu tells me I have Ubuntu 10.10
[00:21] <tmzt_> what is Lubuntu?
[00:22] <bazhang> tmzt_, lxde and openbox
[00:22] <caglar_> bazhang: I'm working on dell m1330, it works normal with maverick; however, when I insert a USB mouse the left click on the mouse and touchpad do not working.
[00:22] <phil42> ubuntu with the lxde desktop software instead of gnove
[00:22] <bazhang> !lubuntu> tmzt_
[00:23] <penguin42> Marshall1528: The splash screens etc all get very messed up if you have bits of ubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu installed - it seems pot luck as to which splash screen you get
[00:26] <caglar_> is there anybody can help me?
[00:27] <phil42> caglar_ i don't know  :(
[00:29] <caglar_> I researched about it and I got that many people encountered that problem when they updated to a new release.
[00:29] <Jordan_U> rjhall: IIRC (only have one monitor at the moment so I can't check) you can set that up in System > Preferences > Monitors.
[00:29] <rjhall> Jordan_U: you can specify which is on the left, and which is the right - but the one on the right always gets the menubar.  you can't select 'primary'
[00:30] <penguin42> rjhall: You can move the panel!
[00:30] <rjhall> Jordan_U: so i do a "xrandr --output DVI1 --primary" after i boot, which switches the menu bar to the DVI monitor (rather than the VGA monitor)
[00:35] <BUGabundo> fack..... HTC just added yet another day to my delivery date o Desire HD :(
[00:38] <penguin42> rjhall: All-middle drag the panel to the other monitor, save the session and log out and in
[00:38] <penguin42> (although panels have never been very good at remembering which one they're supposed to be on)
[00:48] <rjhall> penguin42: I'll try that.  ... what is "save the session"?
[00:48] <penguin42> rjhall: It might be set to do it automatically; system->preferences->Startup applications->Options->Remember currently running applications ; although actually for moving the panel it probably doesn't need it
[00:59] <starnostar> should fsck be checking my disk every boot in 10.10 rc?
[01:06] <sunshinepants> starnostar: that depends. yes if you have it configured that way in /etc/fstab or have used tune2fs -c 1 against the disk..  or it can happen if  you're filesystem is beyond the help of its standard options.. in which case i'd have a backup handy
[01:10] <Jordan_U> starnostar: The most common reason that happens is that your hardware clock is broken, so every time you boot it's either been 60 years since the last check, or the last check was in the future. Both of which will trigger an fsck.
[01:12] <starnostar> sunshinepants its a vanilla install of the new rc, didnt change anything
[01:13] <starnostar> i was just worried it was a hardware problem
[01:13] <starnostar> and THANK you guys for answering, havent even gotten a recignition that i exist in irc in the last 2 days
[01:14] <starnostar> i guess ill first try and see if anything is wrong with my hardware clock, then reinstall on a new drive (got a ton of them lying around)
[01:17] <tmzt_> anyone having issues with empathy being slow/unusable/grayed out?
[01:27] <BluesKaj> using /etc/network/interfaces on 2 eth0 connected pcs ...however one doesn't auto connect , but the other does ...the nonconnecting pc has what seems to be called a dynamic /etc/resolv.conf, while the connected pc just has the run of the mill static resolv.conf ...any suggestions to fix the non auto connecting pc ?
[01:27] <BluesKaj> I don't want to run sudo dhclient everytime I logon
[01:44] <lubun2> how do you get the global menu in kubuntu netbook?
[01:46] <simo_> need some debug suggestion on wireless on maverick
[01:47] <simo_> my wireless is with low power 2/4 and my connection break expecially on torrent
[01:47] <simo_> i need to reset the router i use a fixed ip no dhcp from router
[01:48] <simo_> can be maverick with 10.04.1 was stable ?
[01:50] <simo_> is there some kernel  net parameter i can try ...
[01:53] <darthanubis> what happened to /etc/init.d/samba ?
[01:53] <darthanubis> samba is installed but i can't find the cmd to restart the server from cmd line
[01:54] <darthanubis> /etc/network/if-up.d/samba?
[01:54] <Volkodav> service start
[01:55] <darthanubis> is 10.10 on samba4 now?
[01:55] <darthanubis> The program 'samba' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: apt-get install samba4
[02:01] <simo_> with net (upstart?) service startup can i still use sysv-rc-conf ?
[02:30] <tensorpudding> after upgrading to maverick, banshee is suddenly really sluggish
[02:56] <theverant> anyone have theories on why 10.10 doesn't shutdown properly on Macbook Pro?
[03:08] <darthanubis> where is the samba bin?
[03:08] <darthanubis> I can't start stop restart samba
[03:08] <darthanubis> samba restart does nothing
[03:09] <darthanubis> The program 'samba' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: apt-get install samba4
[03:09] <darthanubis> installing samba4 does not fix the issue
[03:14] <tensorpudding> ugh, i wish there was one decent music player
[03:14] <KukuNut> trying the UNE on VBox and said required driver for unity not available..what could that be?
[03:15] <rusivi> tensorpudding: Amarok is the best music player I have used so far in Ubuntu
[03:15] <tensorpudding> I refuse to use a KDE app, also Amarok has an awful UI
[03:15] <SaRy> darthanubis, http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Main_Page
[03:16] <anon33_> hello - i was wondering if there was any sort of fix for the display issue when using suspend/hibernate with an external display on a laptop
[03:16] <rusivi> tensorpudding: hehe
[03:16] <anon33_> the screen doesn't resume back on - using a macbook pro
[03:17] <SaRy> anon33_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[03:18] <darthanubis> SaRy, are you trying to say something because that does not address the issue of the default samba package not putting samba bin where it belongs, especially if saba did not change where they install their files
[03:18] <darthanubis> If you don't have any answers a non reply I'm ok with
[03:18] <tensorpudding> My ideal music player would probably be Banshee if it got over its awful bugs
[03:20] <anon33_> SaRy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic#ExtMon did not solve my issue
[03:21] <SaRy> darkdelusions, yeah , i am trying to say .. Google it.
[03:21] <darthanubis> SaRy, you might want to read the Ubuntu CoC
[03:21] <KukuNut> can'r run UNE in VBox?
[03:21] <darthanubis> they frown HEAVILY upon "google it"
[03:22] <SaRy> anon33_, i believe there is another Documentation for it .
[03:23] <anon33_> SaRy: i've heard of this issue with other laptops, i have googled it, and have come upon nothing
[03:23] <anon33_> that's why i'm querying the irc channel for additional help, not as a first response
[03:24] <SaRy> aha , good luck.
[03:28] <darthanubis> bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[03:28] <SaRy> anon33_, Display to an external monitor ?
[03:29] <anon33_> SaRy: no, have the laptop display wake up when resuming from hibernate/suspend when connected to an external display
[03:29] <theverant> bah!
[03:29] <theverant> this not restarting/shutting down thing is driving me crazy
[03:30] <NameLess-js> hello, i need some help with removing the ubuntu entry from the boot loader
[03:30] <darthanubis> samba and samb-common is installed
[03:30] <darthanubis> are
[03:31] <darthanubis> every release a samba adventure at least it aint pulse this time
[03:37] <SaRy> NameLess-js, after an upgrade !
[03:38] <NameLess-js> no, after uninstalling
[03:47] <darthanubis> samba: unrecognized service
[03:53] <SaRy> darthanubis, you installed samba package ..
[03:53] <darthanubis> yup:(
[03:54] <darthanubis> reinstalling all of it again
[03:54] <SaRy> okay , then try  .. service smb start
[03:55] <SaRy> or look in /etc/init.d
[03:55] <SaRy> for the name of the script that starts the service.
[03:55] <darthanubis> smb: unrecognized service
[03:55] <SaRy> samba package has the samba deamon and service scripts.
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[03:56] <SaRy> Alright.
[04:00] <SaRy> Maybe .. service samba start .
[04:04] <SaRy> Maybe .. there is no smb script in /etc/init.d/ !
[04:07] <SaRy> darthanubis, installed the "samba" and "smbfs" packages !
[04:07] <darthanubis> !smbfs
[04:07] <darthanubis> !samba
[04:08] <darthanubis> !info smbfs
[04:08] <darthanubis> I don't even see that package in synaptic!
[04:08] <darthanubis> what?
[04:09] <darthanubis> there it is
[04:09] <darthanubis> weird
[04:09] <bjsnider> if it uses upstart it's going to be something like sudo service samba restart
[04:09] <bjsnider> replacing "samba" with all the possibilities until one succeeds
[04:09] <zetheroo> this is exciting ... 3days to go ... :)
[04:09] <zetheroo> how are ppl going with the RC?
[04:10] <darthanubis> great besides this
[04:10] <zetheroo> any benefits to 10.04?
[04:10] <darthanubis> new font loooks good
[04:10] <darthanubis> not as fast as my deiban squeeze install but only slightly nad in some areas
[04:11] <darthanubis> but this upstart jazz has bit me for the first time
[04:11] <zetheroo> so what's the issue your having?
[04:12] <darthanubis> I thought I'd find the samba bin on my pc somewhere but it is not where it used to be
[04:12] <darthanubis> so I can not seem to restart the server
[04:12] <SaRy> i tried to install Debian squeeze , i got the error :  failed to install GRUB boot loader !
[04:12] <zetheroo> your running Ubuntu Server ...?
[04:12] <darthanubis> restart smbd works
[04:13] <darthanubis> no just ubuntu desktop
[04:13] <zetheroo> darthanubis: oh ok
[04:13] <darthanubis> 10.10
[04:13] <zetheroo> darthanubis: and is samba working?
[04:13] <zetheroo> darthanubis: shares and all?
[04:13] <darthanubis> it was up til today when I attempted to add another share
[04:14] <zetheroo> darthanubis: is this with a fresh install or upgrade?
[04:14] <darthanubis> fresh
[04:14] <zetheroo> wow
[04:15] <zetheroo> this would be something which would definitely stop me from upgrading to 10.10 ... if samba is glitchy
[04:15] <zetheroo> I need it too much
[04:15] <bjsnider> samba works just fine
[04:15] <zetheroo> bjsnider: good to hear ;)
[04:15] <kion> I have an Nvidia GTX 260M card I installed Maverick Meerkat and it works fine, as soon as I upgrade to my vga driver from Nvidia, xorg starts missbehaving, it eats all my CPU !!!!
[04:16] <zetheroo> kion: wrong driver?
[04:16] <darthanubis> ok now I have one folder sharing but not another
[04:16] <bjsnider> kion, which driver is that?
[04:16] <kion> No I downloaded the exact driver from Nvidia
[04:16] <darthanubis> this other folder that won't sahre has a bunch of windows named folders and files
[04:16] <bjsnider> oh, here we go
[04:16] <darthanubis> might that be causing a share issue?
[04:17] <zetheroo> kion: why not use the one delivered by Ubuntu?
[04:17] <kion> Nvidia-linux-x86_64-256.53.run
[04:17] <lapion> kion, I thnk you should use driver delivere by packagemanager
[04:17] <zetheroo> darthanubis: I don't think it should matter ... but try sharing a different folder ..
[04:17] <kion> I guess it is not giving me 3d acceleration
[04:17] <bjsnider> kion, the .run files are not compatible with ubuntu. the nvidia-current driver is the one you should use.
[04:17] <zetheroo> kion: what lapion said ;)
[04:18] <zetheroo> so besides new fonts ... and a slightly different default wallpaper ... is there anything else that's new with 10.10?
[04:18] <kion> i will try thatone
[04:19] <bjsnider> kion, uninstall the .run file by executing the file with --uninstall at the end
[04:19] <lapion> kion, I do not know if you can uninstall the driver delivered by nvidia in the .run package..
[04:19] <bjsnider> then use jockey to install the recommended driver
[04:19] <lapion> zetheroo, kms has become more stable
[04:19] <zetheroo> kion: I always use System>Administration>Hardware Drivers for that ... it's really great and easy
[04:19] <bjsnider> and hope that along the way you haven't pooched your system
[04:20] <zetheroo> lapion: kms?
[04:20] <lapion> zetheroo, Kernel Mode Setting
[04:20] <zetheroo> lapion: sounds cool ... could you say what that means for the average user?
[04:21] <kion> zetheroo that's the way I uninstalled the Nvidia Driver  System>Admin>Hardware Drivers and clicked deactivate!!
[04:21] <lapion> zetheroo, the new kernel driver that starts up the X-graphics mode setting at boot
[04:22] <bjsnider> zetheroo, pretty boot screen, fast virtual console switching.
[04:22] <bjsnider> in other words, who cares
[04:22] <zetheroo> kion: I see ... well I use it to install Ubuntu's restricted drivers, ATI, Nvidia and Broadcom etc .. works great ..
[04:22] <kion> let me try it right now
[04:22] <zetheroo> lapion: ok thanks
[04:22] <zetheroo> bjsnider: ha ...
[04:22] <lapion> kion, why did you uninstall the ubuntu-delivered nvidia driver ?
[04:23] <kion> It was not the Ubuntu-delivered one but the Nvidia driver I downloaded from their page
[04:24] <kion> I guess it will make me reboot
[04:24] <kion> and i will be back as soon as I install the Ubuntu-delivered (current version)
[04:26] <lapion> kion, what made you (think you needed) to install the .run version ?
[04:26] <kion> I thought that the latest driver right from Nvidia would be better and possibly more updated
[04:27] <kion> taking full advantage of my harware
[04:27] <bjsnider> the latest drivers will always be in the x-updates ppa as fast as possible
[04:27] <lapion> kion, ubuntu not eq other Oses
[04:28] <kion> I know
[04:28] <kion> that's why I love having Ubuntu!!!
[04:31] <kion> ok time has come up, I will reboot now, i will be back pretty soon
[04:37] <kion> Ok seems it is working Fine now!!!
[04:38] <kion> according to TOP xorg is doing 1% - 9% which seems fine
[04:38] <kion> CPU
[04:54] <lapion> can anyone tell me how to use kms on a i855 with the latest Xorg-core update ?
[06:08] <Lowwe> Anyone have any idea why my wireless internet connection is sticking at (need authentication)?
[06:20] <SaRy> using WPA , i guess ..
[06:27] <SaRy> Lowwe, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[06:36] <reqem> ChogyDan?
[06:36] <ChogyDan> reqem: post your question again, so anyone can help
[06:36] <reqem> ok cool thanks. didn't see this.
[06:38] <reqem> My laptop powered down in the middle of installing the 10.10 upgrade, is there anyway to fix it without erasing the HD and reinstalling? I have 10.04 LiveCD on a USB disk, btw.
[06:38] <ChogyDan> reqem: so it not longer boots?
[06:39] <reqem> ChogyDan: it boots, but does not allow me to login.
[06:39] <ChogyDan> reqem: what about recovery mode?
[06:39] <ChogyDan> you can use the livecd also, but then you have to chroot into the install.  It is easier if you can get to a terminal without the livecd
[06:40] <reqem> yeah i dont think so. im kinda hesitant to try because it means reconfiguring my internet and everything if it doesnt work and i have to boot from the usb again.
[06:40] <reqem> I tried following the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=422523
[06:41] <reqem> but it was updating properly. I don't have permission to some directories on the mounted drive.
[06:41] <ChogyDan> reqem: yeah, those directions should work
[06:41] <reqem> wasnt*
[06:41] <ChogyDan> can you pastebin the errors?
[06:42] <reqem> yeah one sec
[06:49] <reqem> ChogyDan: http://pastebin.com/ztsJnRH9
[06:51] <ChogyDan> reqem: I don't know how to fix it from a livecd, but if you reboot, those commands will work
[06:51] <ChogyDan> at least that is what I did
[06:52] <ChogyDan> it is getting hung up on dbus
[07:09] <Fudge> hi guys, upgraded with do-release-upgrade from lucid and can not get gnome-orca to start. is this known?
[07:27] <hifi> do-release-upgrade -d from maverick did not update grub classic
[07:37] <Lowwe> Where do you edit runlevels in 10.10?
[07:37] <Jordan_U> hifi: You mean the grub legacy menu.lst wasn't updated?
[07:38] <hifi> yes
[07:38] <hifi> also it seems my maverick can't shut down correctly, it hangs without any messages in the first TTY
[07:38] <Jordan_U> hifi: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo update-grub"?
[07:38] <hifi> oh, I ran update-grub and it fixed it
[07:39] <hifi> update-grub just was not run during the upgrade process
[07:39] <hifi> oh, and looks like networkmanager causes a soft lockup
[07:39] <hifi> when I try to shutdown
[07:39] <hifi> finally got a message from the kernel
[07:40] <hifi> should've just upgraded few weeks ago to address these problems when there were still time to fix them
[07:41] <hifi> so I get a BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [NetworkManager:697] when I try to shut down
[07:41] <hifi> it hangs there printing the soft lockup message for networkmanager
[07:41] <hifi> it's a thinkpad T23 with wlan and lan
[07:41] <hifi> lan attached
[07:53] <hifi> ok, if I just try to stop the networkmanager process it hangs
[08:23] <Fudge> if anyone has upgraded could they just alt f2 run orca to tell me if its working. not sure if its maverick prob or my local system
[08:49] <odb|fidel> Fudge: should orca be installed out of the box?
[08:49] <Fudge> yes
[08:49] <odb|fidel> mh - seems like i have it removed then while ago
[08:49] <odb|fidel> talking about gnome-orca package?
[08:50] <odb|fidel> the scriptable screen reader?
[08:54] <odb|fidel> Fudge: so yes - it starts up here
[08:54] <odb|fidel> displaying a small window with 4 buttons (prefs, quit, about,help)
[09:10] <Fudge> yes thats it odb|fidel , thankyou so much
[09:49] <diverse_izzue> my maverick started yesterday to hang on suspend. anyone else?
[09:50] <bullgard4> diverse_izzue: Withz me not.
[09:50] <bullgard4> -z
[09:52] <chrisX> hey
[09:55] <chrisX> i like the new fond of ubuntu maverick
[09:56] <diverse_izzue> chrisX, so do I!
[09:57] <chrisX> yaeh its realy nice
[10:01] <diverse_izzue> chrisX, it gives Ubuntu more of a visual identity that sets it apart from the other OSs
[10:01] <diverse_izzue> also, it just works beautifully as a UI font
[10:33] <alvin> Am I the only one who doesn't like the font?
[10:35] <tensorpudding> the font is possibly less clear than the old one
[10:38] <tensorpudding> it also probably covers fewer glyphs
[10:51] <DrGrov> Quick question about Ubuntu 10.04... Can I upgrade it easily to 10.10 when it arrives in 3 days? Do I need to do anything special to keep my /home partition?
[10:52] <Jordan_U> DrGrov: Just open update-manager and it will tell you there's a new release and offer to upgrade.
[10:53] <DrGrov> Jordan_U: Ok, will do. I will wait though the 3 days.
[10:55] <DrGrov> Kind of hoping that 10.10 will make my minor 10.04 issues disappear.
[11:22] <mikebeecham> hi guys..I'm trying to install sun java on Maverick, but it looks like I have a 'partner' repository missing from 'other sources'?  Can anyone help me install?
[11:23] <mikebeecham> it's the 'official partner' repository I'm missing
[11:26] <mikebeecham> hello?  anyone?
[11:27] <alvin> mikebeecham: Just add it. Let's ask ubottu: !partner
[11:27] <alvin> !partner
[11:30] <mikebeecham> thanks alvin...I now have the repository, but it didnt help me initial problem.  Thanks anyway
[11:33] <vega-> sun java should be in there
[11:34] <alvin> indeed: sun-java6-jre
[11:34] <vega-> run apt-get update first
[11:36] <mikebeecham> hi guys...yeah I just did that
[11:36] <mikebeecham> in fact I now see all the java files in synaptic, but they all tell me that they "are not going to be installed"
[11:37] <mikebeecham> tried apt-get and I'm told they are broken packages
[11:39] <kth> hello guys - ive got same trouble using virtualbox on maverick - ive installed some vms under win7x64 exported them and tried to import under maverick (vbox versions are the same) but the machines still fail with VERR_VD_VMDK_INVALID_WRITE in log (but ive got write permission to the vmdk images)
[11:40] <kth> anyone an idea how to fix ?
[11:41] <TiK> that sucks
[11:41] <TiK> no idea :(
[11:41] <TiK> better asking the makers of virualbox imo
[11:42] <kth> TiK: that really sucks because maverick is one of the first ubuntu system which is working on my pc ;) so ive to work on with the vms at win7 thats not good at all ;)
[11:42] <TiK> i hear yah
[11:42] <kth> TiK: it looks like http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=153745 - but there is sadly no answer to his question
[11:43] <TiK> post another one :(
[11:43] <TiK> ex[;ain your situation
[11:43] <TiK> and hope for the bst
[11:43] <TiK> best
[11:44] <TiK> explain.. Ive had no troubles but I went from ubuntu -> ubuntu
[11:44] <kth> TiK: (or using vmware) ;) some possible solution for a time
[11:45] <kth> TiK: do you have exported/imported windows vms form ubuntu to ubuntu ? oder linux vms?
[11:45] <TiK> ubuntu -> ubuntu never windows -> ubuntu
[11:45] <TiK> buntu was always the host
[11:47] <kth> TiK: but the vm was every time a linux? or also a windows ?
[11:48] <TiK> also windows
[11:48] <TiK> and openSUSEand fedora
[11:49] <TiK> 1 is 7, 1 is xp for windows vm's
[11:51] <kth> TiK: hm maybe ive to try to import the appliance (whole ms ad network) to vbox on ubuntu lucid on my laptop (i dont want to reinstall all vms)
[11:52] <TiK> what I did
[11:53] <TiK> was I never "imported"
[11:53] <TiK> I just copied the .vmi
[11:53] <TiK> in the HardDisk folder
[11:53] <TiK> and then created a new VM
[11:53] <TiK> and used the exsisting hrd drive
[11:53] <TiK> try that
[11:55] <kth> TiK: ive tried to export under windows and to just copy vmdk and create vms manually
[11:55] <TiK> all you really need is the hard disk
[11:55] <TiK> I think thats .vmi
[11:55] <TiK> 1 sec
[11:55] <TiK> vdi
[11:55] <TiK> sory
[11:56] <TiK> sory
[11:56] <TiK> :P
[11:56] <TiK> cant type
[11:57] <kth> TiK: thats only so easy when you dont have any snapshots i remember or is that wrong ?
[11:58] <TiK> what do you mean
[11:58] <TiK> I don't have much experience with vbox
[11:58] <TiK> i just ue it for kicks
[11:58] <TiK> use
[11:58] <TiK> ive ever used the snapshot feature
[11:58] <TiK> never
[11:59] <kth> TiK: i use snapshots so that i could go back when some installation or configuration is wrong
[12:00] <TiK> well
[12:00] <TiK> copying the hardrive in its current state is better than starting over no?
[12:02] <kth> TiK: yes i dont want to copy the snapshots itself i only need the last state so maybe ive to merge down the snapshots in vbox on win export then and import then under linux
[12:02] <TiK> computer as is = hard drive
[12:03] <TiK> just get the image out of the HardDisks foolder
[12:03] <TiK> put it on ubuntu
[12:03] <TiK> and create a newVM
[12:03] <TiK> select use exsisting hard drive
[12:03] <TiK> instead of create
[12:03] <TiK> and you are golden
[12:03] <TiK> then you cn crete new snapshots
[12:03] <TiK> create
[12:04] <TiK> wll thas what I would do
[12:05] <kth> TiK: right but at this time ive got some snapshots under win so that copying the vdi doesnt help much because the snapshots are incremental to the vdi state and without merge them down into vdi copy only the vdi will be just like the first state before the other snapshots
[12:05] <TiK> no
[12:05] <TiK> its the hard drive
[12:05] <TiK> it would be like taking the hard drive out of 1 computer
[12:05] <TiK> and putting it in another
[12:06] <TiK> snapshots as I understand them just restore the state of the harddrive
[12:06] <TiK> or something
[12:06] <TiK> to get the current setup all you would have to do is copy the vdi
[12:07] <kth> TiK: ah okay if thats true copy vdi is the best solution ^
[12:07] <TiK> thats what I did when movin my winXP machine
[12:07] <TiK> well acking it up before i formatted
[12:07] <TiK> the only file I saved was the vdi
[12:07] <TiK> and it was in the state that I left it
[12:08] <TiK> as I said its like throwing away a computer, saving the harddisk and puting it in a new computer
[12:08] <donri> What's up with defaulting the font size to 11pt?
[12:09] <kth> TiK: well ok i just wanted to save configuration of the vms due to the some more complex network configuration but when ive to wait many hours to import/export reconfiguring is much faster
[12:10] <TiK> best of luc
[12:10] <TiK> k
[12:10] <kth> TiK: thx for your ideas ;)
[12:10] <TiK> donri: maybe you need glasses ;)
[12:10] <TiK> kth np
[12:10] <donri> Err what
[12:11] <TiK> if you cant e 11pt
[12:11] <TiK> see
[12:11] <TiK> maybe yu need glasses heh
[12:11] <donri> I think it's too big
[12:11] <TiK> oh ok :P
[12:12] <donri> :D
[12:12] <TiK> it looks good at 1280x800
[12:12] <donri> That's my res
[12:12] <TiK> never really thought about it
[12:12] <donri> 10pt is good IMO
[12:12] <donri> Are you sure you're on 11pt?
[12:12] <TiK> yep
[12:12] <TiK> whatever is default
[12:12] <donri> depends when you installed
[12:13] <donri> I read 11pt *will be* the default in final maverick
[12:13] <TiK> oh i installed months ago
[12:13] <donri> You're probably on 10
[12:13] <donri> pt
[12:13] <donri> Check Appearance
[12:13] <donri> Are you even using the Ubuntu font? :D
[12:13] <TiK> my appicatin font is 11
[12:13] <TiK> application
[12:14] <TiK> there are a lot of font sizes
[12:14] <TiK> some are 10 some are11
[12:14] <TiK> whatevers default my friend
[12:16] <TiK> anyway it doesnt affect much
[12:16] <donri> What DPI?
[12:17] <donri> (Click Details)
[12:17] <TiK> ubuntu / sans
[12:17] <TiK> oh ok
[12:17] <TiK> for what?
[12:18] <TiK> DPI is 96
[12:18] <donri> On the fonts tab
[12:18] <donri> OK me too
[12:18] <TiK> looks dandy
[12:18] <TiK> brb
[12:26] <tukadafoonday> Hey people, Can anyone here tell me why Xchat struggles on my computer? when i scroll quickly the text does not run smoothly at all.
[12:28] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, what version of ubuntu
[12:29] <tukadafoonday> 10.10
[12:29] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, what video card and driver, how installed
[12:29] <donri> tukadafoonday: Not a solution but have you tried Smuxi?
[12:31] <tukadafoonday> bazhang, I have a Nividia GST250M video card running the Nvidia drivers which Ubuntu recommended.
[12:32] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, from hardware drivers, correct? what about without the proprietary drivers? are you using compiz, and have you tried it with compiz off
[12:32] <tukadafoonday> donri, never tried that program, though it is not the issue...
[12:32] <tukadafoonday> I am using compiz.. and no i have not tried it with compiz off.
[12:33] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, and with the open source drivers?
[12:34] <tukadafoonday> you mean the Neouv**** drivers?
[12:34] <bazhang> work great here
[12:35] <tukadafoonday> It should work great here to... It works fine with all other Distro's
[12:35] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, first try with compiz off
[12:35] <tukadafoonday> I will try and install the drivers which i have downloaded previously
[12:35] <bazhang> tukadafoonday, install from where
[12:36] <tukadafoonday> Install from my harddrive for the nvidia drievrs which i downloaded for Mint Debian.
[12:36] <bazhang> that wont do it
[12:37] <tukadafoonday> How do i turn compiz off? In the Visual Effects section?
[12:37] <tukadafoonday> when i right click the desktop?
[12:37] <bazhang> alt f2 metacity --replace
[12:38] <tukadafoonday> When i change channel it still renders slowly.... its not slow... but its not snappy and fast like it should be.
[12:38] <vega-> how do i tell "apt-key" to use a http proxy? it doesn't seem to honor /etc/apt/apt.conf or http_proxy env variable
[12:38] <tukadafoonday> reminds me of a RDC over the internet how it renders the picture.
[12:41] <tukadafoonday> brb
[12:45] <tukadafoonday1> hmm restart and now its running like a rocket.
[12:45] <tukadafoonday1> weird.
[12:45] <bazhang> could have been an ah he left
[12:49] <bazhang> !info ppa-purge
[13:09] <Gangrel> are 10.10 much different from 10.04?
[13:11] <tensorpudding> default themes are tweaked, software center is a lot more useful, new font made especially for ubuntu, better installer, and of course packages have been updated to new versions
[13:12] <bazhang> !notes
[13:12] <bazhang> whoa that needs changing
[13:13] <budz0r> hello
[13:14] <budz0r> anyone can help with intel gma 3150 and maverick?
[13:17] <Gangrel> is it safe to upgrade to 10.01 atm?
[13:17] <Gangrel> is it safe to upgrade to 10.10 atm?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:18] <bazhang> Gangrel, may want to wait for release in 4 days time
[13:18] <Gangrel> bazhang you are right
[13:19] <bdrung> Gangrel: it works for me (one new installation and two upgrades), but that doesn't imply that it will work for you.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> been trying figure out why the dhclient only connects for a session manually and not auto
[13:20] <tensorpudding> Gangrel: It's on RC right now, pretty stable.
[13:20] <tensorpudding> though there are still updates being done
[13:21] <bdrung> Gangrel: it should be nearly safe. you may run into bugs with the rc, but that could happen with the release too.
[13:21] <budz0r> intel gma 3150 chipset doesn't work on maverick
[13:21] <Gangrel> and one last question upgrading to 10.10 will it change my current adjustments?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> I tend to install early. update right befor release.. then wait a week or so befor i next update. :) because the servers will be so overloaded.
[13:21] <budz0r> i mean graphic chipset
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Gangrel:  what current adjustments>
[13:21] <tensorpudding> i've run into a few bugs, but i've grown accustomed to having at least three noticeable bugs show up every time i update
[13:22] <Gangrel> GUI adjustments for example
[13:22] <bazhang> Gangrel, check release notes, linked in the topic
[13:23] <Gangrel> thanks :)
[13:25] <tensorpudding> Gangrel: upgrading won't change your font, in my experience, but the themes that are tweaked, you'll notice those
[14:26] <BluesKaj> is there a way to restore the old static /etc/resolv.conf so it doesn't delete it's settings after each session . One has to run sudo dhclient each session in order to connect to the internet due to this conditional setting ...could it be a leftover from NM , which I removed in favour of network/interfaces ?
[15:16] <hifi> oh, great, glxgears makes Xorg crash too
[15:16] <hifi> great releaes!
[15:16] <hifi> release
[15:16] <Ian_corne> not for me
[15:17] <hifi> on this thinkpad networkmanager makes the kernel lockup and glx xorg crash
[15:17] <hifi> only good thing so far is that the networkmanager indicator shows my 3G signal strength
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> $ glxgears
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> 25572 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5114.122 FPS
[15:19]  * donri naughtily forces every website to use the Ubuntu font (Liberation for mono)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, full screen ?
[15:23] <nemchik> i cannot get my computer to be picked up by ubuntu one, anyone out there know anything about ubuntu one?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> found a strange default app dynamic resolvconf , an app that rewrites resolv.conf file at boot to a blank file with nosettings , so dhclient has to be run each session in order to connect to the internet..I removed/purged the resolvconf app and reconnected and saved the new /etc/resolv.conf file ...now it recalls it's settings and I no longer have to dhclient at each login
[15:25] <BluesKaj> that's running without NM and using the /etc/network/interfaces file to connect
[15:28] <BluesKaj> nemchik, try asking in #ubuntuone
[15:28] <nemchik> oh... good idea
[15:28] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:29] <nemchik> BluesKaj: i usually come here because im using maverick :D
[15:30] <BluesKaj> nemchik, yeah , I just installed maverick yesterday ..seems fine so far except for the odd networking problem I described above
[15:31] <nemchik> sounds like a weird bug - im no expert so i wouldnt know what to tell ya
[15:32] <BluesKaj> nemchik, I fixed it , just purged the resolvconf app ..strange that it would install by default
[15:33] <BluesKaj> it obviously has some purpose and runs under network manager, which i don't use
[15:34] <nemchik> yeah, im using connman personally - has already caused me some grief, but once it's considered stable i hope it replaces network manager
[15:40] <BluesKaj> nemchik, connman , I'm not familiar with it ...cli or gui ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:48] <BluesKaj> nemchik, connman , I'm not familiar with it ...cli or gui ?
[15:49] <Dr_Willis>  !info connman
[15:51]  * BluesKaj wonders if it will work better than wicd with my belkin usb wifi dongle
[15:56] <txwikinger> Anybody an idea why thunderbird seg-faults on maverick?
[15:56] <txwikinger> (it is on an 64-bit system)
[16:05] <txwikinger> nevermind.. was the missing nscd package
[16:10] <micahg> txwikinger: what type of auth on the system?
[16:10] <txwikinger> ldap
[16:11] <txwikinger> at least one of the accounts
[16:11] <micahg> txwikinger: hmm, I thought that was fixed
[16:11] <txwikinger> apparently not
[16:11] <txwikinger> well.. I think in lucid, it just froze or something like this
[16:11] <txwikinger> on maverick it seg faults
[16:11] <micahg> txwikinger: what fs type is /home?
[16:11] <txwikinger> nfs
[16:11] <micahg> txwikinger: bug 507089
[16:13] <txwikinger> micahg: Yes sounds about right
[16:13] <djomgg> ist any  PPA to Nautilus Elementary ubu 10.10 ?
[16:14] <micahg> txwikinger: sorry, I don't know when it'll be fixed
[16:14] <txwikinger> micahg: no problem.. the nscd workaround is good enough
[16:15] <bork> attaching an external monitor to my laptop has stopped working since upgrading (I can get an image to show on the external monitor for a little while, but then it changes its mind)
[16:15] <txwikinger> I will update the description of the bug to have that clear
[16:16] <micahg> txwikinger: good to know, thanks
[16:16] <txwikinger> micahg: np
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> djomgg:  seen  one at the omgubuntu or was it webupd8 ppa
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> djomgg:  so yes.. there is one. :)
[16:16] <djomgg> sweet
[16:17] <djomgg> like the  Elementary theme
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> check the webup8 ppa/repos
[16:19] <FFForever> Hi ya
[16:19] <FFForever> how stable is upgrading from 10.04 -> 10.10?
[16:20] <djomgg>  good:)
[16:20] <djomgg> but still are RC
[16:20] <FFForever> I know going from 9.10 -> 10.04 gave me a shyt load of issues =\
[16:21] <FFForever> Would I be better off just rewriting/reinstalling all of my configurations/apps and doing a wipe on /?
[16:21] <djomgg> but 10.10 is good one
[16:21] <jamil_1> hello, I have goldendict installed on the 10.10. I am behind a proxy and when I try to access wikipedia definition form the golden dict I get proxy authentication error. I have set the http_proxy variable but still...
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> I tedn to backup my custom configs and do clean installs.
[16:21] <djomgg> the fix a lot
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> djomgg:  elementry Firefox theme --> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/firefox-elementary-moves-to-launchpad.html
[16:23] <djomgg> dr tnx but do u now if chromium have 2 ?
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> No idea
[16:23] <phoenix_> is mp3 codec present by default in 10.10 beta
[16:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guys RC is also having the USB boot issue?
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> every tuime i use chromium  - i get annoyed with it and go back to FF.
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> IAmNotThatGuy:  what usb boot issue?
[16:24] <danyR> phoenix_: you can opt to install it with the new installer
[16:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> When I create a USB boot disk and try booting, it shows boot error
[16:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> The same happened in beta too
[16:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> and I saw a bug registered
[16:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> at the time when I tried beta
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> I recall having to edit one of the syslinux.cfg files,  and removeing some menu.32 file line...
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> but ive not tried it lately.
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use a GRUB2 setup flash drive  to boot the iso file.
[16:26] <phoenix_> danyR: does this mean ubuntu is encoraging proprietary codecs
[16:26] <om26er> IAmNotThatGuy: when you see the error type help press enter and then again press enter and it will boot
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> The Fluendo thing is in the software center i saw.
[16:26] <danyR> phoenix_: You can *opt* to install them, and I think they install a non-proprietary mp3 decoder
[16:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> om26er: ty (:
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> its mp3   Only - i think.
[16:26] <phoenix_> the firefox 4 beta is very good
[16:27] <djomgg> no chromium is the best :)
[16:27] <om26er> Dr_Willis: the problem happens if you write isos pre Ubuntu 10.10 from maverick
[16:27] <phoenix_> danyR: the company who is giving it to ubuntu has bougjt it from fronhofer
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  perhaps some day they will ditch syslinux and use grub2 :)
[16:28] <phoenix_> djomgg: ya i like chrome more than firefox
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu has one of the most complex setup of syslinux configs that ive EVER seen...
[16:28] <om26er> Dr_Willis: for natty the plan is to use grub on cds
[16:29] <om26er> I saw a blueprint
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  yea.. about time. :)
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. put a grub setup on a CD. that boots ISO files from the cd.. not the actual cd... :)
[16:35] <patdk-wk> how do you boot iso's with grub?
[16:35] <patdk-wk> I want to make a usb stick that does that, with a crpaload of iso's
[16:48] <JackNocturne> help with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9933049 if anyone knows what to do
[16:59] <JackNocturne> help with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9933049   anyone?
[17:11] <nemo> well. all my 10.10 machines are more or less under control
[17:11] <nemo> apart from still hating on polkit, which I've mostly wrapped in gksudo where feasible
[17:11] <nemo> sooo, I guess I will leave y'all
[17:11] <nemo> much thanks for the ideas provided
[17:11] <nemo> my sound problem was solved by latest alsa drivers
[17:12] <nemo> my kernel oops was a legit fail in intel ips that has been patched and should hopefully hit mainstream soon
[17:12] <nemo> my graphics problem was needing to completely and manually uninstall fglrx due to rogue files
[17:12] <nemo> (then reinstall it)
[17:12] <nemo> seeya.
[17:33] <philsf> hi, the UNE now defaults to 4 workspaces instead of 1. I can change the ammount to 1 in gconf-editor or gconftool, but that doesn't stick after logout/reboot. How can I make this change permanent?
[17:43] <glebihan> philsf: do you have a workspace switcher on you panel ?
[17:44] <philsf> glebihan, yes
[17:44] <mnaines> When is Ubuntu 10.10 due out?
[17:44] <philsf> mnaines, 2 days, check ubuntu.com
[17:44] <donri> mnaines: The 10th day of the 10th month of the 10th year of this millenia
[17:44] <glebihan> philsf: you should then be able to configure the number of workspaces in the  preferences of this applet (right click->Preferences)
[17:45] <philsf> glebihan, these applets in UNE don't have preferences in the menus
[17:45] <philsf> glebihan, not all of them, tbf
[17:48] <glebihan> philsf: you're running unity, right ?
[17:48] <philsf> glebihan, yes
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> ya got the old 'applets' then theres the new indicator-type style that dont use the right click menu.
[17:49] <philsf> Dr_Willis, the ones in Unity are neither. they reside in a vertical panel to the left
[17:51] <glebihan> philsf: there's been a bug (bug 639633) filed to put back the preferences menu item
[17:51] <glebihan> philsf: but there doesn't seem to be any other way than setting it in gconf
[17:52] <philsf> glebihan, that's not a problem per se, but it's not permanent
[17:53] <glebihan> philsf: yes I got that
[17:53] <glebihan> philsf: did you try setting it without unity being loaded ?
[17:53] <philsf> glebihan, no. how can I do that?
[17:53] <philsf> glebihan, gconftool in the console?
[17:53] <glebihan> philsf: yes after quitting unity
[17:54] <philsf> glebihan, does it look like a bug to you?
[17:54] <glebihan> philsf: sure does
[17:55] <philsf> glebihan, ok, I'll try your suggestion and report it
[17:55] <philsf> glebihan, thanks
[17:55] <philsf> (report the bug)
[17:55] <glebihan> philsf: you're welcome, let me know if it works
[17:59] <BajK_> Is there a way of restoring the beautiful titlebar icons 10.04 had in Gnome?
[17:59] <BajK_> those with the arrows for maximize and minimize?
[18:00] <BajK_> and not those plumb ugly square symbols?
[18:24] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question:  can I download the new ubuntu font somewhere?
[18:25] <trism> !font | howlymowly
[18:26] <howlymowly> thx trism
[18:30] <glebihan> philsf: did it work ?
[18:31] <tuga3d> hi all, just made an update today and my middle mouse button doesn't work. where can i find xorg.conf?
[18:31] <glebihan> tuga3d: in /etc/X11
[18:32] <tuga3d> glebihan: not there :(
[18:32] <tuga3d> ubuntu 10.10
[18:33] <glebihan> tuga3d: then it's been deleted for some reason, I don't think there's any other possible location for worg.conf
[18:33] <tuga3d> :(
[18:35] <glebihan> tuga3d: running "X -configure" will generate a new xorg.conf (and put it in "/root" I think)
[18:37] <bcurtiswx_> anyone here use pithos?
[18:39] <tuga3d> glebihan: thanks, i'll try
[18:39] <glebihan> tuga3d: you're welcome
[18:44] <philsf> glebihan, nope
[18:44] <philsf> glebihan, something in unity is overwriting the workspaces config
[18:45] <philsf> glebihan, I tried the key /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces (int), it's the only one I found, and it works for the duration of the session
[18:45] <glebihan> philsf: weird... haven't seen other reports about it... did you report the bug ?
[18:45] <philsf> glebihan, running apport now
[18:46] <glebihan> philsf: ok
[18:46] <FFForever> I kinda installed both broadcom wireless packages and now I get this when trying to do anything with apt-get http://pastebin.com/43wu4uiG
[18:49] <glebihan> philsf: what's the panel app under unity ?
[18:49] <FFForever> Also how come my right alt does nothing?
[18:50] <philsf> glebihan, not sure. I've seen people call it unity launcher, but no clue as to what's the binary or pacakge
[18:56] <philsf> glebihan, Bug #656441
[18:56] <glebihan> philsf: ok, just wondering, is there a "/desktop/gnome" folder in gconf in unity ?
[18:57] <philsf> glebihan, yes
[18:58] <glebihan> philsf: then you may try setting your value to "/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/number_of_workspaces"
[18:59] <philsf> glebihan, it was set to 0. I'll try restarting unity now, brb
[18:59] <glebihan> philsf: ok
[19:03] <philsf> glebihan, no deal
[19:04] <glebihan> philsf: well got no more ideas, probably best to wait for comments on your report
[19:04] <philsf> glebihan, this setting however was honored. It just had no effect
[19:04] <philsf> glebihan, yes, thanks very much
[19:04] <glebihan> philsf: you're welcome
[19:24] <FFForever> Is anyone else's sounds full of static?
[19:24] <Tekno> no
[19:25] <glebihan> Tekno: love that kind of useful answers :)
[19:57] <philsf> glebihan, it turns out that bug was a design decision
[19:57] <philsf> a poor one, IMHO
[19:57] <glebihan> philsf: oh ok, weird decision...
[20:26] <Kaffien> how will you upgrade from 10.10 RC to 10.10 full?
[20:26] <Tekno> update-manager does it automatically
[20:27] <Tekno> you just accept when it notifies
[20:27] <Kaffien> ahhhhh
[20:27] <Kaffien> can you tether a blackberry / iphone to ubuntu for 3g goodness?
[20:34] <rusivi> Kaffien: I have done usb tethering w/ Android+Ubuntu via Azilink -> http://code.google.com/p/azilink/
[20:40] <vbgunz> I upgraded to 10.10. Going into hibernation is miserably slow. It usually takes 15 seconds to hibernate in 10.04 give or take a second. Now, after upgrading, hibernation takes 2+ minutes. after 2 minutes, I walked away
[20:40] <vbgunz> this is on every hibernation, about 5 so far since upgrading
[20:42] <vbgunz> I thought hibernation would be quicker in 2.6.35, doesn't it compress ram?
[20:44] <bullgard4> vbgunz: On my laptop computer of the Centrino class hibernation in 10.04.1 took longer than 15 s. In 10.10 it has become marginally faster.
[20:45] <vbgunz> I have an SSD that helps improve hibernation/resume by minutes compared to my old disk. 10.4 I was looking at sweet times. after upgrading, going into hibernation is horrible. waking up is just fine and seems faster cause of all the feedback in console
[20:47] <sam12345> hi penguin42, i've tried your patch with a vanilla kernel and everything seems to work
[20:47] <penguin42> sam12345: Great; however as I noted in that patch I wrote it with absolutely no understanding of what the intremap was doing and the other guy said the patch is dangerous
[20:48] <sam12345> well, now i'm workin with a vanilla kernel with the patch that only disable the source id verification
[20:48] <sam12345> and not everythin
[20:48] <penguin42> ah ok
[21:01] <vbgunz> so hibernation does work but going into it is terrible. does anybody have a clue as to why? 10.4 just yesterday before the upgrade, continued to hibernate at 15 seconds everytime. now, I can probably play and complete the main Jaws theme before it gets to shutting down :(
[21:03] <rusivi> vbgunz: What apps, if any, are open when going into hibernation?
[21:04] <vbgunz> several, konqueror, kmail, konversation, kopete, active states komodo edit, firefox, okular, yakuake and I think that's pretty much it
[21:06] <vbgunz> rusivi: great idea, let me shutdown these apps and try to hibernate, see whats up
[21:07] <vbgunz> brb
[21:16] <Tac> if I upgrade to the 10.10 beta, will it seamlessly update to production packages on it's own?
[21:18] <trism> Tac: the beta will update to final with normal updates, yes
[21:19] <vbgunz> 1:10 to hibernate then 16 seconds to resume (no apps running), I then rebooted and it took 24 seconds to get to the desktop. I hibernated again and it took 1:44 to hibernate and 16 seconds again to resume. something about going into hibernation is borked. maybe it's an ssd issue but I should be getting way faster hibernation times
[21:20] <Tac> is the normal upgrade process fairly stable?  I'll obviously back up important items, but just in general...
[21:21] <Tac> ( from 10.04 )
[21:21] <vbgunz> Tac: I upgraded from 10.4 yesterday starting up krunner then entering this 'kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d"' ... it went smoothly which left me surprised
[21:22] <Tac> I use gnome ... but I'm glad the install went smooth for you
[21:22] <Tac> I'm a fedora guy, so I'm used to just fresh installing all the time to be safe :-p
[21:23] <Tac> although my last fedora update I upgraded fine as well
[21:24] <vbgunz> cool, I can honestly say this is the first so I understand
[21:25] <trism> Tac: some people seem to have problems, but it always goes well for me, although I take the time to backup and remove unused packages, and use the alternative upgrade
[21:25] <Tac> "alternative upgrade" ?
[21:26] <iConfused> Any way to prevent updates from screwing with my ALSA configuration and whatnot?
[21:26] <trism> Tac: you can use the alternative cd to upgrade, which saves downloading many of the packages (at least in my case, usually more than half)
[21:26] <Tac> ah... I'm high speed enough I'd just run some upgrade command hopefully....
[21:26] <Tac> haven't looked at how to do it yet
[21:28] <vbgunz> man, hibernation got me quite upset, it could be worse but it sucks... if 15 seconds is normal and I take the quickest hibernation time of 1:10, it grews in wait by nearly 400% ... damn.
[21:31] <thechitowncubs> Hey, The ubuntu me menu is great but the text where it says Post update stays there when you click?
[21:31] <thechitowncubs> Anyone else have this problem?
[21:43] <thechitowncubs> I'm having audio issues
[21:44] <thechitowncubs> Its garbled in music, movies, not sure about flash though.
[21:44] <thechitowncubs> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> oops, disconnected
[21:45] <jpds> BluesKaj: No you're not.
[21:45] <BluesKaj> I was
[21:57] <sburwood> I'm upgrading from Lucid to Maverick.  I see that F-spot will be no longer needed.  I want to see if I will be losing the pictures I've imported in F-spot or if they can be recovered or found
[21:58] <sburwood> anyone wanna field this question?
[21:58] <IdleOne> sburwood: the application will be replaced with shotwell
[21:58] <IdleOne> the pictures themselves won't be deleted
[21:59] <sburwood> yes, but the photos I've imported with F-spot, they will be recovered by shotwell, then?
[22:00] <IdleOne> imported and saved to the ~/Pictures directory then yes. They are saved on the hard drive
[22:00] <sburwood> IdleOne: So, the pictures I've imported from memory cards, etc, will be retrieved?
[22:00] <IdleOne> yes
[22:00] <sburwood> IdleOne: I just looked into the /Pictures directory and found nothing
[22:01] <sburwood> IdleOne: I believe I had saved them in the /photo directory but can't find that, either
[22:01] <IdleOne> they pictures are where ever you saved them
[22:01] <IdleOne> do a search for *.jpg
[22:02] <sburwood> IdleOne: I remember doing a thing to detect duplicates when I saved them
[22:04] <td123> sburwood: as long as the photos are installed in your /home directory, the package manager doesn't touch any of those files
[22:05] <td123> sburwood: it wouldn't make sense if it did
[22:05] <sburwood> IdleOne: I found + then 3000 photos, but I'm not sure that I've everything
[22:05] <sburwood> I'll figure that out once I try shotwell, I guess
[22:05] <td123> sburwood: also, there is no need to uninstall f-spot
[22:06] <td123> sburwood: if you like it, keep it
[22:06] <sburwood> td123: So, upgrading will not uninstall f-spot, then?
[22:08] <td123> hmm
[22:08] <td123> probably not, but I'm not certain
[22:08] <td123> if f-spot is in maverick repos, dunno why it would get removed
[22:09] <sburwood> ok, thx
[22:09] <sburwood> bye
[22:13] <androidbruce|lap> hooray for cfdisk
[22:53] <nemchik> so... after the 10th, this room then becomes a discussion for 11.04?
[22:54] <phil42> iguess
[22:57] <olskolirc> I'm on Maverick Meerkat and i don't have many options for my kmix channels.  also, how can i tell if my system uses pulseaudio or alsa and does this make the difference with my limited kmix settings please?
[22:58]  * phil42 refuses to use kde 4.x
[22:59]  * phil42 uses xubuntu instead
[23:01] <penguin42> normally the room goes on holiday for a few days to recover after the release and comes back refreshed a little while later
[23:21] <BUGabundo> so no more updates....
[23:22] <olskolirc> ok i found that meerkat ships with pulseaudio
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I guess I better start saying GOOD BYE too of you
[23:22] <BUGabundo> in 3 days this # will be closed
[23:22] <BUGabundo> shame
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I love you all
[23:22] <olskolirc> awwww!
[23:22] <phil42> easy does it bugabundo
[23:22] <Dave_H> Evening all, I've just tried the RC 10.10 Netbook install on my Lenovo Netbook, I find that there is no admin menu, no synaptic,  is this a know issue?
[23:25] <TeslaTony> Dave_H, Are you using Ubuntu Netbook Remix, or the desktop version?
[23:26] <Dave_H> its the netbook remix.
[23:26] <TeslaTony> Okay, on your left hand side, there's a launcher bar. One of the bottom three should be "applications"
[23:27] <defsum> Hello, Im new to linux. Have trouble with my external USB sound device which doesn't work -- Ubuntu 10.10 RC, gnome, amd64
[23:27] <defsum> aplay -l: card 0: XD2 [Mackie XD-2], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
[23:28] <Dave_H> Yes, looked through all the applications, there is no system, no admin applications.
[23:28] <defsum> lsusb: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a73:0002
[23:29] <defsum> also I've put at the begging of alsa-base.conf: install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd_usb_audio and blacklisted internal snd_hda_intel to make list simplier
[23:29] <defsum> nothing helps
[23:30] <TeslaTony> Dave_H, Ah...you could try running it from a terminal, but yeah, I've had a few issues with UNR being crippled
[23:31] <Dave_H> OK, I'll give it try, I'm gona reboot back into my 10.10 install, cheers.
[23:32] <sburwood> Anything out there to do the same stuff as Microsoft Works?  (Banners, B-day cards, business cards, etc)?
[23:32] <defsum> pulseaduio graphic mixer shows that smth is playing, but noone of indicator on sound card are lighting (means that nothing is playing), alsamixer see's card. but doesn't have any mixers available
[23:34] <defsum> also, my Mackie Spike (XD-2) was working at one of recent reinstallations of Ubuntu, thus it's should be supported (unofficialy, because there's no such card in Supported list)
[23:34] <defsum> at this time I connected it much later after installation
[23:36] <defsum> guys at #alsa are silent too :(
[23:38] <sburwood> can anyone tell me if there is a program that does like MS Works (business and birthday cards, banners, etc) for Maverick?
[23:40] <penguin42> sburwood: If you start Openoffice writer and do new-> there is a selection of business cards, not sure about a wider selection
[23:40] <th1> hi
[23:40] <th1> I have a weird weird problem
[23:40] <sburwood> hi
[23:41] <th1> my launchpad bug report has apparently been deleted
[23:41] <sburwood> penguin42: thx
[23:41] <th1> is there a policy of censorship on bug reports?
[23:41] <penguin42> th1: Do you have a bug number?
[23:41] <th1> I can probably find it from the history on my work pc
[23:41] <th1> but it's not listedn in "my reported bug" although it was this afternoon (BST)
[23:41] <sburwood> th1: can it be that there was a solution found?
[23:41] <th1> or even "related bugs"
[23:41] <th1> its unlikely
[23:42] <penguin42> th1: I've never heard of one being deleted; closed yes, marked as duplicate yes, but never deleted
[23:42] <th1> the bug report title was something very close to "The purchase software window doesn't show whether the payment page is encrypted by SSL"
[23:42] <th1> for software-center
[23:42] <penguin42> I almost remember seeing hta
[23:42] <penguin42> that
[23:42] <th1> I filed it about .. 7 hours ago?
[23:43] <th1> and I checked its status after an hour or so
[23:43] <th1> but now after I'm home I can't find it
[23:43] <penguin42> th1: If you have the bug number that would make it easier to find I suspect
[23:43] <th1> yes
[23:43] <th1> but its on my work PC
[23:43] <penguin42> ah
[23:43] <penguin42> what's your launchpad username?
[23:43] <th1> TH (thomas@horsten.com)
[23:45] <th1> if it was removed for .. shall we say "publicity" reasons I would not have a problem but would expect to have been notified. but this is just                                             weird...
[23:46] <trism> th1: I don't see yours, but there is bug 637649 which sounds similar
[23:47] <th1> hmm
[23:47] <th1> trism, I found it
[23:47] <trism> th1: what bug number?
[23:47] <th1> from looking in my spamfilter
[23:47] <th1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/637649
[23:47] <th1> its already been duplicated
[23:47] <th1> although .. I don't agree its entirely a duplicate
[23:48] <th1> because it relates to the payment page much more so than to the login screen
[23:54] <reqem> hi how do i intentionally break ubuntu so i can reinstall everything through recovery mode?
[23:54] <penguin42> reqem: Delete /lib/ld.so.1
[23:55] <penguin42> sorry, ld-linux.so.2
[23:55] <penguin42> that's a pretty good breakage....
[23:55] <tmzt_> is there a reason you can't get in via grub?
[23:56] <th1> reqem, you don't have to prove to recovery mode that everything is broken ...
[23:56] <reqem> th1: i tried the dkpg --configure -a without doing that and it did nothing
[23:57] <th1> and I would be wary of doing what penguin42 says because if recovery mode doesn't work then you've just shafted your system.. maybe mv it to ld-linux.so.2.disabled or something, atleast then you can boot with a livecd and rename it back
[23:57] <reqem> tmzt_: im not too familiar with grub
[23:57] <penguin42> th1: Yeh I haven't got a clue what you can fix easily in recovery mode :-)
[23:57] <th1> reqem, just hold shift when it boots
[23:58] <th1> before it shows "ubuntu" logo on the screen
[23:58] <reqem> th1: yeah i did and it goes into recovery mode fine.
[23:58] <defsum> Can anyone help me with getting working external USB sound device on Ubuntu 10.10RC?
[23:58] <penguin42> th1: I could roll out my entire collection of 'how to really break a Linux installation in bizarre ways' collection, but the internet hasn't got space
[23:58] <reqem> th1: but it won't actually reinstall anything
[23:58] <th1> reqem, just like old ms-dos ;)
[23:58] <reqem> lol
[23:58] <penguin42> defsum: Not done it, but hey how far does it get?
[23:58] <tmzt_> reqem: what are you trying to do?
[23:59] <th1> penguin42, remember not to write those in a public help forum
[23:59] <penguin42> th1: Ah shucks....
[23:59] <th1> some people are always desperate enough to try the "/ r- mr" and friiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiends
[23:59] <th1> when someone apparently helpful posts them ;)
[23:59] <th1> sorry stuck key from vnc