[01:25] <ogasawara> jcrigby: Maverick linux master git repo should be up to date now.  Ubuntu-2.6.35-22.34 will be the day 0 upload.
[04:00] <jcrigby> ogasawara, thanks
[10:15] <diwic> smb, to check if my patch will make Greg happy or if I'll get it back with "sorry, does not apply", is that the linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.32.y.git I should test against?
[10:17] <smb> diwic, Yeah, that is his staging area there. Atm 2.6.35 is in support as well, but probably that only requires the part that you sent for Maverick. 
[10:19] <jjohansen> so what is the best way to get a ppa to build ddebs
[10:20] <tgardner> jjohansen, don't the makefiles have some logic for detecting /CurrentlyBuilding (or some such noise) ?
[10:21] <jjohansen> tgardner: hrmm I don't remember the CurrentlyBuilding stuff, I'll have to poke
[10:22] <jjohansen> I did find it odd that specifying skipdbg=false doesn't work
[10:23] <jjohansen> the makefile overrides the value if not doing a full build apparently
[10:25] <tgardner> jjohansen, look in debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk for CurrentlyBuilding
[10:26] <jjohansen> tgardner: yep already there thanks
[10:33] <jjohansen> so in 0-common-vars.mk is there a particular reason we do 
[10:33] <jjohansen> ifeq ($(full_build),false)
[10:33] <jjohansen> skipdbg=true
[10:33] <jjohansen> endif
[10:33] <jjohansen> instead of skipdbg?=true
[10:33] <jjohansen> it was kind of annoying having that override putting skipdbg=false when doing a build today
[12:23] <lag> What are the chances of a Lucid kernel running on a Hardy userspace?
[12:25] <jjohansen> lag: it can be done, but it has a few gotchas that I can't remember
[12:27] <jjohansen> lag: one of the gotchas would be an upgraded apparmor userspace parser but that might not matter for what you are doing
[12:28]  * jjohansen can't remember the others
[12:28] <lag> I have a user who insists his computer (ThinkPad X31) can't run Lucid
[12:29] <lag> He is currently running Hardy, which has a PCMCIA bug which won't allow him to use his PCMCIA CF reader
[12:29] <lag> The bug is fixed in Lucid
[14:55] <bjf> apw, bug 611471, i just did the tracking bug, is it possible for you to verify the fix some time?
[14:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611471 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "Fixup vesafb initialization patch which was mistakenly dropped. (affects: 1) (heat: 61)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611471
[15:00] <apw> the reproduce by would be to modprobe/rmmod
[15:01] <apw> vesafb
[15:05] <ogra_ac> tgardner, so my hugging got you to confused ? ;)
[15:05] <JFo> tgardner doesn't care for the hugs
[15:05] <ogra_ac> JFo, well, he missed a changelog entry right after i hugged him :)
[15:06] <JFo> heh
[15:06] <JFo> you threw him off his concentration
[15:06] <tgardner> ogra_ac, I think it might have been the early afternoon beer
[15:06] <ogra_ac> excuses excuses !
[15:51] <ppetraki> hey guys im having an issue with /proc/sysrq-trigger
[15:52] <ppetraki> whatever I send it just comes back with help
[15:52] <ppetraki> I can set log levels, but nothing else
[15:52] <ppetraki> any ideas
[15:52] <ppetraki> apw, cnd, ^^^
[15:54] <ivoks> ppetraki: use lower case latters :p
[15:55] <ppetraki> ivoks, hmm, perhaps the HELP should reflect that :-p
[15:55] <cnd> ppetraki, I'm not familiar with sysrq really
[15:56] <ppetraki> cnd, I'll let it slide
[15:56] <ppetraki> cnd, I discovered stap-server, going to give it a go today
[15:56] <cnd> heh
[15:56] <cnd> cool
[15:56] <ppetraki> the image we're working on is too small to keep the symbols local
[15:56] <cnd> apw, Sarvatt, I've got two finger scrolling on my dell mini 1012
[15:57] <cnd> and multitouch :)
[15:57] <ppetraki> the neat thing is it operates on the concept of signed certs, so in theory we could have an stap server somewhere
[15:57] <cnd> but I can't fix the clicky issue in the kernel because the touches aren't tracked
[15:57] <Sarvatt> cnd: what's the catch? :)
[15:57] <ppetraki> with all the debug symbols loaded on it, and all we would have to do would be to point an ip address at it via the client and run the scripts 
[15:57] <cnd> Sarvatt, no catch, just need a patch to the kernel
[15:57] <cnd> ppetraki, interesting
[15:58] <cnd> Sarvatt, apw, but the clicky issue can be fixed in the X input synaptics module I believe
[15:58] <ppetraki> cnd, yeah, today it's my laptop that's the server, and some ssh tunneling acrobatics
[15:58] <Sarvatt> tap and 1 finger horizontal scroll are working along with the multitouch?
[15:58] <cnd> unfortunately, it only supports two finger multitouch, so there's no way to get three finger tap out of this model
[15:58] <Sarvatt> err 1 finger vertical scroll
[15:59] <cnd> Sarvatt, tap and 1 finger vertical scroll always worked
[15:59] <cnd> out of the bo
[15:59] <cnd> x
[15:59] <cnd> but now people will be able to do two finger scroll
[15:59] <cnd> and two finger multitouch gestures :)
[16:00] <Sarvatt> cnd: yeah I'm just worried I'm going to wake up one day and lose those features like magic trackpad people did :)
[16:02] <Sarvatt> cnd: do synaptics properties still work? does it screw things up when you enable 2 finger scrolling via synaptics emulation at the same time or anything?
[16:03] <cnd> Sarvatt, no, there's no loss of functionality
[16:03] <cnd> and the magic trackpad deal was a very specific case
[16:03] <cnd> there's no way we would do that to products that were working in one way in a previous ubuntu release, and then change it in a later one
[16:04] <cnd> and even still, if you want synaptics-style functionality from the magic trackpad you can get it through an xorg.conf snippet
[16:05] <manjo> amitk, around ? I recall you showing us a utility to clone disks what is it called ?
[16:11] <amitk> manjo: clone or sync?
[16:11] <amitk> and what up?!! :)
[16:12] <manjo> amitk, I want to reinstall my desktop so want to clone my /home 
[16:12] <manjo> amitk, sync might work too
[16:12] <manjo> amitk, all is well :) thanks for asking 
[16:13] <amitk> manjo: clone with rsync, you don't really care about sync which will take a long time 
[16:14] <manjo> amitk, ah was it just rsync, I thought it was some other utility 
[16:16] <amitk> manjo: unison is the utility for syncing, if I want to keep folders on two or more machines in sync
[16:16] <amitk> but it takes a long time, first time. And since you only want to do a save and restore one, rsync is better
[16:17] <manjo> ah that was it unison... ok will use rsync coz I won't want to wait too long for it
[16:20] <achiang> cnd: all your work on touch / multitouch... would it work with the netbook that's on sale at www.woot.com?
[16:21] <Sarvatt> achiang: avoid that thing like the plague!
[16:21] <achiang> Sarvatt: orly? 
[16:21] <cnd> achiang, I think so
[16:22] <Sarvatt> it's a poulsbo
[16:22] <cnd> I believe that uses the hid-egalax driver
[16:22] <achiang> oh yuck!
[16:22] <cnd> oooh.. that's a dealbreaker...
[16:22]  * cnd is having to get used to two finger scrolling again :)
[16:22] <achiang> Sarvatt: i thought you were going to make a comment on the resistive touchscreen or the shitty SSD. :)
[16:22] <achiang> but poulsbo really is a deal breaker
[16:36] <cnd> pgraner, ping
[16:37] <cnd> pgraner, actually, nm for now
[16:38] <pgraner> cnd, yea whateva'
[18:19] <tgardner> ogasawara, lemme know when your build is complete. need to bounce tangerine for a security update.
[18:19] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[18:27] <blueyed> Why would a 2.6.32 kernel from Linus tree oops on startup? I have tried both a config based on the Ubuntu one and from "make localyesconfig".
[18:28] <blueyed> Unfortunately I cannot get much info out of the oops: it scrolls by too fast and I cannot scroll up.
[18:28] <kees> tgardner: can you ping me with tangerine is going down, so I can start watching for it to come back?
[18:28] <blueyed> Might this be related to init/upstart? (the system itself is Maverick)
[18:30] <JFo> blueyed, I don't think we'd expect a lucid kernel to work with Maverick user space
[18:30] <tgardner> kees, yeah, gimme a bit. for some reason my initial attempt to update open_ssl wedged and I can't get the lock. 'Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[18:30] <JFo> I wouldn't at least
[18:31] <blueyed> Fair enough.. I want to test for a regression though.. and a Live CD would not work probably (it is about DVD burning) (and is too limited for bi-secting). Ideas?
[18:31] <tgardner> kees, ok, my session finally timed out and dropped the lock. I've got the update done. just waiting on ogasawara
[18:32] <ogasawara> should be just a few more minutes
[18:32] <blueyed> JFo: also, I could just boot into 2.6.31-22-generic (not manually built though)
[18:32] <blueyed> I should use the ubuntu kernel tree for bisecting then I guess.
[18:33] <JFo> I'd try an earlier Maverick kernel blueyed 
[18:33] <kees> tgardner: cool
[18:33] <JFo> if you have one
[18:33] <JFo> unless you are having issues with all Mav kernels
[18:33] <blueyed> JFo: I have.. but it regressed during Lucid already IIRC. yes. Thanks.
[18:33] <JFo> ah
[18:34] <JFo> if the regression began in Lucid and you are on MAverick I'm not sure how to test/bisect on that machine now
[18:35] <JFo> without nuke->pave->test
[18:35] <JFo> but that is suboptimal
[18:36] <blueyed> My initial plan was using Linus' tree for bi-secting.. now I would use the maverick tree, no?
[18:38] <JFo> blueyed, have you tried the vanilla kernels in the kernel-ppa?
[18:39] <blueyed> JFo: as for if it is a problem with vanilla, I have tested vanilla tip yesterday, which had the same problem.
[18:39] <blueyed> JFo: I do not think the ppa has a huge history of kernels, does it?
[18:41] <JFo> it is rather large http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[18:42] <blueyed> cool, I'll use this then first. Thanks.
[18:43] <JFo> no sweat
[18:43] <JFo> :)
[18:47] <ogasawara> tgardner: build finished, go ahead and bounce.
[18:47] <ogasawara> kees: ^^
[18:48] <kees> ogasawara: cool, thanks
[18:53] <tgardner> kees, ogasawara: tangerine is bouncing.
[18:54] <tgardner> see you guys tomorrow. off for beers and chinese food.
[19:03] <kees> man. now I want beers and chinese food.
[19:30]  * kees ♥ tangerine
[19:40]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:07]  * ogasawara lunch