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charlie-tcahm, you did shutdown after running the "install oem"? A restart fails, AFAIR00:05
bladernrfader_:  yeah, prompts, but still allows.  My password for my encrypted lvm is 'a'00:06
fader_charlie-tca: You know, I'm not 100% sure now.  I know at least one of my attempts was a restart, but I don't remember if I also attempted a shutdown :[00:06
fader_bladernr: Ah, okay.  That makes sense -- "Hey, what you're doing is stupid.  Do you really want to do that?  You do, huh?  Okay."00:07
bladernrfader_:  indeed... but add to that the fact that once you've installed, it's impossible to create single char passwords, and even somewhat random ones like z1c3b5 were rejected for begin too simple (granted that one is a bit simple)00:08
fader_Ah, heh00:08
fader_bladernr: There's *always* a way... you may have to work around the UI, but there's always a way :P00:09
bladernrwe need to either enforce a more common sense and worthwhile password policy across the board, or just stop requiring passwords.00:09
fader_+100:09
charlie-tcaYou should be allowed to be as dumb/ignorant as you desire00:09
fader_Though I'm in favor of allowing it to be overridden00:09
bladernrfader_:  nah... tried in both console and GUI and the tools in each require minimum of 6 chars00:10
fader_bladernr: Hex editor?00:10
fader_;)00:10
bladernrcharlie-tca:  true, but we're also trying to tell the world that Ubuntu is better than Windows, and Windows doesn't even allow passwords that simple (though it does allow you to use it without passwords)00:11
bladernrfader_:  heh... no one really uses those things anymore00:11
fader_Hehe00:11
charlie-tcaoem on 386 hardware from the Ubuntu alternate image worked00:11
bladernranyway, for whatever reason, completely unintentionally, this is bugging me as much as the grub issue in Lucid bothered me... sigh...00:12
bladernrI'm so gonna get fired.00:12
charlie-tcanah, I think you are right. After logging in, /etc/login.defs prevents passwords shorter than whatever is set in it. During the install, the same default length should be enforced.00:13
fader_bladernr: I'd propose something for UDS about it00:13
fader_Or find a session you can hijack00:14
bladernrheh00:14
fader_Nah, seriously00:15
fader_It's a worthwhile point and sounds like a foundations issue00:15
fader_Or a foundations papercut at least00:15
bladernryeah... we'll see what happens (I seriously doubt this will get fixed before Sunday) but I'll wait till then00:15
caglar_Hi00:16
caglar_I encounter with a problem on Maverick and need help00:16
bladernrcaglar_:  is this a problem with Maverick ISOs that are currently being tested?00:17
caglar_It's related with the software00:17
caglar_Maverick software00:18
fader_caglar_: Feel free to ask, but you might have better luck in #ubuntu+1 -- this channel is used for coordinating testing, so not many people idle here listening for questions :/00:18
caglar_ok I will try the other channel00:19
bladernrcaglar_:  sorry, wasn't trying to sound harsh, asking because of what fader_  said.00:20
ameetpfader_, bladernr: any of you run into problems with ubuntu server when you don't select grub?00:20
bladernrmore likely to find answers that are ISO/installer related in here right now, where you'll probably have better luck in +1 for more related things00:20
bladernrameetp:  did you set your single char password?00:20
bladernrsigh... I need to just stop.00:21
fader_ameetp: Er, not sure what you mean, "don't select grub"00:21
fader_ameetp: What are you seeing?00:21
bladernrameetp:  I did a couple server runs later, but no I did not notice any issue at all00:21
bladernrerr... earlier, not later00:21
bladernrcrap... gotta throw some clothes on and run to the store before it closes... bbiab00:21
ameetpfader_: got the option to install grub, but if you say 'No' the screen just goes blank and nothing happens00:22
fader_Ah, hmm I haven't tried that one00:22
fader_ameetp: IIRC it *should* take you through the reboot stuff after that; I know I tried it around beta time and didn't get hung up00:22
charlie-tcaand you can't go into rescue mode on the server cd to fix grub, either00:22
ameetpfader_: yeah that's what I thought.00:23
ameetpfader_, bladernr, charlie-tca: If you guys get a chance, could you double check and let me know00:23
charlie-tcaSure. but it might be a while00:24
fader_ameetp: I'm actually about to bolt and make some food before my blood sugar drops to 0, so it'll be a while for me too00:24
charlie-tcaameetp: does it matter which arch?00:24
fader_I'll kick off a server install before I do and come back to punch grub in the face though00:24
charlie-tcafader, you gonna run 32bit or 64bit?00:25
fader_charlie-tca: Heh, I was waiting for you to pick one :)00:25
fader_charlie-tca: I'll grab 6400:25
charlie-tcaOkay, I will run 32bit00:25
ameetpthanks fader and charlie-tca.  I've only tried it on 64 bit00:26
charlie-tcaameetp: any particular install? I am not familiar with server anymore00:27
fader_ameetp: My install is running... I'll come back in an hour or two to check out grub and let you know00:27
charlie-tcaMine is started, I'll try to stay with it00:27
ameetpcharlie-tca: I was trying the encrypted LVM one, but I don't think it matters... But I am checking now ;)00:28
fader_In the meantime, fader needs food badly00:28
fader_BBIAB00:28
ameetphmm... it worked this time on server amd64.  Maybe I fat fingered through the screens00:55
charlie-tcaameetp: I have the question "Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record?"00:56
charlie-tcaIs that when I say no?00:56
ameetpyeah, then manually specify the partition or place you want it00:56
charlie-tcaOkay, where should it go?00:56
charlie-tcaor does it stay empty?00:57
ameetpon the next screen you specify where it goes00:57
charlie-tcaRight, I have that screen now. that is the one I leave empty now/00:57
charlie-tca?00:58
ameetpI specified /dev/sda00:58
charlie-tcaIt doesn't care00:58
charlie-tcaI left it empty, but it is finishing the install00:58
charlie-tcaLocked on the reboot, since there is no GRUB installed00:59
ameetpyeah, you need specify something00:59
charlie-tcaOkay, but it never blanked out00:59
ameetpah okay00:59
ameetpgood to know00:59
charlie-tcaI will run it on hardware in about an hour00:59
ameetpcharlie-tca thanks for trying this01:00
ameetpI need to get some food01:00
ameetpbbiab01:00
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faderameetp: I can confirm charlie-tca's report... ubuntu-server amd64 default install on virtualbox01:06
* fader goes to eat his tasty-smelling food. :)01:06
areedaHi,  If I want to run an ISO test, should I use the Daily or the Maverick RC?  just want to verify01:07
bladernrareeda:  you need to use the current iso01:09
bladernrareeda:  if you look at the top of the test case you select (for example: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4650/58 ) you'll see a download link that points you to the right ISO image.01:10
bladernrotherwise, you need daily-live/current/*.iso or daily/current/*.iso depending on the ISO you want to test01:10
areedaThanks but that's my question: which one do we defines as the "current" iso,.  I think you answered my question01:10
areedaWhat is the difference between daily and daily-live?01:11
bladernrheh... honestly, I'm not entirely sure... I think the chief difference is that daily images are spun daily, while daily-live are spun AT LEAST daily, but maybe more than that... but that's just a guess.  The DVD images are dailys but also have the LiveCD environment (I originally thought the diff was liveCD vs debian-installer)01:13
bladernrbut I never paid enough attention to the two, I just sync them all automatically and test away.01:13
areedagreat!  I'll start downloads of daily then go make dinner.01:14
areedaThanks again01:14
bladernrsure!  cheers01:15
charlie-tcawhen you look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ under each version, there is a directory called "current" which has the latest image01:25
charlie-tcaDaily is the alternate installer image, daily-live is the destkop image that most people will download01:26
bladernrcharlie-tca:  where is it that I can cause server to fail like ameetp was describing?01:33
bladernrI'm sitting at a "configure grub" screen in d-i that is simply asking if I want to install to mbr01:33
bladernrcharlie-tca:  NM... saw it in the scrollback01:34
charlie-tcathat's it. Tell it no01:34
bladernryeah, then tell it /dev/sda01:35
charlie-tcaThe failure was a blank screen when hitting enter after saying no at that screen01:35
bladernrahhh... didn't see that.  Selected "No" and got the screen to enter the location for grub, so I entered /dev/sda01:35
bladernrnow it's ready to reboot.01:35
charlie-tcayup01:35
bladernrgot grub and it's booting01:36
charlie-tcaThe failure was not getting the screen you could enter the location on01:36
bladernrahhh... yeah, didn't get that01:36
bladernrerr... didn't fail like that01:36
charlie-tcaneither can anyone else yet. I will try a hardware install next01:36
charlie-tcaUbuntu alternate images - 32 & 64 done except ltsp01:38
charlie-tcaHardware server encrypted LVM running now01:43
charlie-tca386 server - encrypted LVM on hardware passed02:14
charlie-tcaback in an hour to finish up 64bit xubuntu tonite02:18
areedaWhat speeds do you typically get downloading an iso image?  Seems to me it was pretty good last time by right now I'm only getting 40KB/s and I still get decent rates on other sites.02:20
bladernrok... 31 tests knocked out... time to go to bed I think...07:12
skaetbladernr,  thanks for all your efforts on the tests!   Sleep well.   our shift over here is starting to wake up....07:19
aragood morning all!07:25
* skaet is delighted by how many test cases have been covered already when she woke up. very cool!!07:25
skaetgood morning ara07:25
aragood morning skaet07:26
araskaet, already at the office?? is too early for you!07:26
skaetara, working from hotel room.  Jet lag has its uses ;)07:27
araskaet, yeah :)07:27
skaetara, from a quick scan of the bugs on the scoreboard,  looks like ubiquity is the problem child for the release.07:29
araskaet, yes, apparently oem-config is not working for some people07:29
arahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/65070307:30
ubot4Launchpad bug 650703 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "OEM config appears to work but user setup is not run after reboot (affects: 2) (heat: 500)" [Undecided,New]07:30
skaetyup,  more than that.  Will bounce you the ones I'm seeing...07:30
skaetin particular, am a little concerned about the translation side as well.07:31
skaethttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/62906107:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 629061 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Desktop is in english after an installation in French (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,New]07:31
araskaet, OK, I will start my day with an installation in Spanish to see if I can confirm the issue07:33
skaetis this still a valid issue?  do we have positive proof translations work for some languages and the issue is localized.07:33
skaetthanks ara. :)07:33
skaetI'll bounce some others to your inbox, as well.   The one on the plan to discuss with robbie and colin this morning.   ;)07:34
araskaet, thanks07:34
araskaet, I will ask for more information to Jean Baptiste, he did not mention if he had internet connection or not, which historically has had side effects on lang packs07:36
skaetara,  good thing to confirm.   didn't know about the side effect, but it makes sense.07:36
araskaet, French is included in the CD, so it should be mostly in French even if he hadn't Internet connection. But the more information, the merrier07:37
skaetara, indeed.  :)07:38
alouriegood morning08:55
arajibel, related to bug 629061, is this happening with current images as well?09:01
ubot4ara: Bug 629061 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/629061 is private09:01
ara(the bot seems broken, the bug is public)09:01
* jibel reading the report09:01
arait was filed 5 days ago09:02
jibeloh, that's my report. It was filed 1month ago and 5days ago.09:03
jibelyes, latest zsync09:03
jibelas of yesterday evening.09:04
jibelI resynced this morning and retried the LiveCD installation and it's still broken.09:05
jibelDon't you see that in spanish ?09:05
arabut always using Wubi?09:05
jibelno, livecd too09:05
arajibel, mmm, weird, let me check one thing09:05
ara(I don't see that in Spanish)09:05
arajibel, I know what's happening, let me comment the bug09:09
arajibel, well, when launchpad becomes r/w again...09:10
jibelThe "language & Text" dialog is in French, in "Language for windows and menus" 'Français is the only value in the list, but the langpacks are not installed09:10
arathe thing is that French is not in the CD, so it has to be installed from the Internet09:11
arajibel, but bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/656037 is preventing that09:11
ubot4ara: Error: Bug #656037 is private.09:11
araeverything has the same root cause09:11
davmor2morning ara, I doubt I'll be able to do any testing I'm afraid no spare time09:12
jibelara, right, I confirm that09:12
aradavmor2, OK, no worries09:13
alouriefolks, if I update my Maverick-pre right now, I will get to the latest, right?09:13
araalourie, yes09:14
alouriethanks ara09:16
alouriewow, it's done09:16
alourieso it was pretty up to date I guess :-)09:16
sulumarGreetings10:47
arahello sulumar, welcome10:49
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sulumarbefore i start doing something useless11:02
sulumaris there anything that needs to be tested on 10.1011:03
sulumar?11:03
jibelWe are currently testing ISOs. You'll find the list of test cases http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/11:06
jibelYou can start by any uncovered test case.11:06
sulumarok ill download Xubuntu alternate and test it to start11:12
arasulumar, great, thanks11:14
arasulumar, you can mark the test as "Started" in the tracker11:14
sulumarIdiot question; how to mark the test as started11:18
arasulumar, have you open an account in the tracker?11:18
sulumari have11:19
arathen, log in, and select the testcase you are about to start11:19
arayou can submit your result as "Started"11:19
sulumarok done11:20
aragreat11:20
sulumarok done11:20
marjosulumar: welcome to qa team!11:27
sulumarthx11:29
sulumarexpoiting the advantages of a laboratory machine setup for virtualisation11:29
marjosulumar: nice11:35
sulumaran i7 with 12gb ram isnt too bad to virtualize ubuntu11:37
marjosulumar: good to know11:37
marjosulumar: nice system11:38
sulumarsadly not mine and i can only use it until december11:39
marjosulumar; glad you have it available now; very timely11:39
sulumarat home i am under Fedora LXDE on 512 MB ram. A 12 Years old machine11:42
sulumar Install (auto-resize) Xubuntu alternat: Passed11:46
sulumarNext one11:48
sulumarresizing the disk is kinda slow12:18
arasulumar, yes, that's normal12:23
arait is not a trivial task to do :)12:24
sulumarwell it works, thats what matters. Test Passed12:24
sulumarnow for the encryption one12:25
sulumaruntil there nothing went wrong12:29
sulumarwasnt there a meeting yesterday ??12:42
arayes, there was12:43
sulumaris the report allready avidable12:45
sulumar??µ12:45
aranot yet, I guess charlie-tca will send it today12:48
sulumargood12:49
sulumaranother good news ist that the Xubuntu Alternate i386 passed all mandatory testcases without a singel bug12:50
* ara -> lunch12:54
sulumarpassing to the mandatorys of Ubuntu Studio12:59
sulumarits kinda funny to make iso testing that way13:10
pbaxterhello all13:11
pbaxterwhat do i have to change to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 from lucid?13:11
sulumarexecute update-manager -d from command line13:13
pbaxterthanks13:13
charlie-tcaGood mornig13:56
jibelMorning charlie-tca13:56
aramorning charlie-tca13:58
jibelwhat's the package to report bugs against kubuntu in general ? e.g when testing the LiveCD the desktop completely freeze after a few minutes.13:58
charlie-tcaDoesn't kubuntu still use ubiquity?13:59
charlie-tcaor rather, casper13:59
jibelnever mind, I'll use kubuntu-netbook14:00
bladernrmorning all :-)14:04
aragood morning bladernr14:06
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hggdhyo bladernr14:08
bladernr:-)14:08
bladernrholy ara, hggdh14:09
bladernrerrr... hola, not holy14:09
bladernrsigh14:09
hggdhbut holy does make sense in regards to Ara :-)14:09
bladernrit's true14:09
hggdhapplying it to me, it is quite a stretch, though14:09
jibelgood morning bladernr!14:11
bladernrheh...  well, maybe in the terms of "Holy crap, hggdh what have you done now?!  or "Holy Cow, hggdh , who is that svelte older lady chatting you up at the bar?" :-)14:12
bladernrjibel:  morning!14:12
pedro_lol14:12
charlie-tcaara: that shutdown issue with xubuntu, hardware or VM?14:17
aracharlie-tca, kvm14:17
charlie-tcaOkay. I haven't seen it in hardware14:17
charlie-tcaXubuntu Desktop 64 will need a respin. It is still oversized on the testing candidate14:18
araeverything is likely to need a respin14:20
hggdhbladernr: what old lady, sir14:20
* hggdh has no recollection of that event14:21
bladernrheh...14:21
hggdh:-)14:21
skaethi ara,  just finished talking with cjwatson.  We're waiting for the ubiquity builds to upload and then the image builds will start.  Est. is about 1.5 hrs, before the first images roll off.14:22
araskaet, thanks for the update14:22
* charlie-tca will be gone from about 18:00 UTC for the day today.14:23
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bladernrskaet:  is that a respin of everything?14:52
* bladernr just noticed that the kubuntu dvd images disappeared while he was in the middle of syncing them14:52
charlie-tcaara: yes, I will get the QA meeting notes and logs out today14:55
hggdhara: we are missing the UEC tests in the QA tracker14:55
arawho usually posts those?14:56
arais ttx?14:56
arahggdh, I am asking him about it14:57
bladernrara:  are we respinning every image? if so, shouldn't we kill the tracker for now?14:58
arabladernr, it shouldn't be me who decide that14:58
araskaet, ^?14:58
bladernrara:  just noticed that kubuntu DVD download links have disappeared, but the cases aren't marked as respinning...15:00
bladernr:(15:00
alourieara: great screenshot of the first experience. I thought maybe adding screenshots from the first release for comparison :-)15:09
skaetara, bladernr,  we're respinning them all.  I'll go in and kill the ones in the tracker now.15:13
bladernrskaet:  ahhh, thanks.15:14
skaetsorry,  was in discussion about the grub bug15:14
bladernrskaet:  no worries... I can well imagine what it's like over there today... I don't envy you ;-)15:14
skaet:)  its quite interesting actually,  learning alot as I go,  which is cool.15:15
bladernrexcellent!15:15
skaetara, bladernr  - images disabled now.15:23
charlie-tcaThanks, skaet.15:24
* ara needs to step out for some errands. She will be back in about 1 hour16:35
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araubuntu alt posted17:22
* pedro_ syncing17:24
hggdhnew server images posted18:06
faderhggdh: I'm not sure but they might end up getting respun again, so you might want to wait a few minutes18:07
aramy alternate installation failed, due to some uninstallable packages18:07
hggdhfader: hope springs eternal...18:08
faderHehe18:08
faderhggdh: My hope is that cjwatson has figured out bug 641259... he is making optimistic noises about it right now :)18:08
ubot4Launchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install (affects: 12) (heat: 82)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64125918:08
hggdhfader: yes, but keep in mind that cjwatson is usually making noises/grumbling, so it is all question of how one interprets it...18:09
faderhggdh: Yes, but usually his noises aren't this happy sounding :)18:12
hggdhooohhh18:12
arano panic, wrong image18:13
faderhggdh: In fact, sounds like it's not going to require a respin, so ignore what I said earlier18:13
hggdhfader: you see -- hope, etc...18:13
marjofader,hggdh: cjwatson has a proposal for a workaround18:13
faderHehe18:13
fadermarjo: Indeed, he and I have been speaking18:14
marjoand then maybe you can try it on one or a couple of systems before we go for dinner (will make me feel better)18:14
hggdhwhat, going to dinner?18:14
marjohggdh: yes, i do have to eat a little and drink a little18:15
marjottx is proposing indian food18:15
hggdhmarjo: oh, that is good, and London has pretty good indian restaurants!18:15
* hggdh meanwhile watches 4 systems install the new ISO server image18:16
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* skaet just posted kubuntu-alternate, kubuntu-desktop18:27
* skaet got the blessing from cjwatson, and have restarted the arm-* builds too.18:28
njinhello, i'm testing ubuntu amd64 2010107, everythings ok, but at the start just after grun i've modprobe fatal error ....kernel 2.6.35..-generic. then plymouth stat regularry. In logs don't seems to be nothing relevant, but can you tell me where to look to found track of this ?19:15
njinAre someone having this?19:16
njinThanks19:16
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xdataphello. I just received notification for an Ubuntu Netbook Test but the image doesn't exist. Ubuntu Netbook Edition [20101007]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/470520:02
xdatapIs it going to have another respin?20:02
ara__xdatap, the image exists20:10
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xdatapara, oh, now it works. Let's sync :)20:10
ara:)20:10
highvoltageis edubuntu dvd really rebuilding?20:24
highvoltage(iso.qa says so)20:25
bladernrso before I start up again... are the things that are present really present, or is there another respin in the works (looking at the Kubuntu stuff for now)20:45
arajibel, have you tried installing in French with the latest builds?20:59
jibelara, I'm testing it now.21:16
jibelinstallation in French is fixed with the latest iso and sources.list is correct.22:10
skaet\o/22:14
bladernrWhat the heck is AzBot and why am I getting messages from it when it bans someone?23:09
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marjoedubuntu, mythbuntu posted23:58
* fader starts re-syncing23:59
marjofader: thx!23:59
fadermarjo: Go to bed! :P23:59

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