[00:05] <charlie-tca> hm, you did shutdown after running the "install oem"? A restart fails, AFAIR
[00:06] <bladernr> fader_:  yeah, prompts, but still allows.  My password for my encrypted lvm is 'a'
[00:06] <fader_> charlie-tca: You know, I'm not 100% sure now.  I know at least one of my attempts was a restart, but I don't remember if I also attempted a shutdown :[
[00:07] <fader_> bladernr: Ah, okay.  That makes sense -- "Hey, what you're doing is stupid.  Do you really want to do that?  You do, huh?  Okay."
[00:08] <bladernr> fader_:  indeed... but add to that the fact that once you've installed, it's impossible to create single char passwords, and even somewhat random ones like z1c3b5 were rejected for begin too simple (granted that one is a bit simple)
[00:08] <fader_> Ah, heh
[00:09] <fader_> bladernr: There's *always* a way... you may have to work around the UI, but there's always a way :P
[00:09] <bladernr> we need to either enforce a more common sense and worthwhile password policy across the board, or just stop requiring passwords.
[00:09] <fader_> +1
[00:09] <charlie-tca> You should be allowed to be as dumb/ignorant as you desire
[00:09] <fader_> Though I'm in favor of allowing it to be overridden
[00:10] <bladernr> fader_:  nah... tried in both console and GUI and the tools in each require minimum of 6 chars
[00:10] <fader_> bladernr: Hex editor?
[00:10] <fader_> ;)
[00:11] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  true, but we're also trying to tell the world that Ubuntu is better than Windows, and Windows doesn't even allow passwords that simple (though it does allow you to use it without passwords)
[00:11] <bladernr> fader_:  heh... no one really uses those things anymore
[00:11] <fader_> Hehe
[00:11] <charlie-tca> oem on 386 hardware from the Ubuntu alternate image worked
[00:12] <bladernr> anyway, for whatever reason, completely unintentionally, this is bugging me as much as the grub issue in Lucid bothered me... sigh...
[00:12] <bladernr> I'm so gonna get fired.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> nah, I think you are right. After logging in, /etc/login.defs prevents passwords shorter than whatever is set in it. During the install, the same default length should be enforced.
[00:13] <fader_> bladernr: I'd propose something for UDS about it
[00:14] <fader_> Or find a session you can hijack
[00:14] <bladernr> heh
[00:15] <fader_> Nah, seriously
[00:15] <fader_> It's a worthwhile point and sounds like a foundations issue
[00:15] <fader_> Or a foundations papercut at least
[00:15] <bladernr> yeah... we'll see what happens (I seriously doubt this will get fixed before Sunday) but I'll wait till then
[00:16] <caglar_> Hi
[00:16] <caglar_> I encounter with a problem on Maverick and need help
[00:17] <bladernr> caglar_:  is this a problem with Maverick ISOs that are currently being tested?
[00:17] <caglar_> It's related with the software
[00:18] <caglar_> Maverick software
[00:18] <fader_> caglar_: Feel free to ask, but you might have better luck in #ubuntu+1 -- this channel is used for coordinating testing, so not many people idle here listening for questions :/
[00:19] <caglar_> ok I will try the other channel
[00:20] <bladernr> caglar_:  sorry, wasn't trying to sound harsh, asking because of what fader_  said.
[00:20] <ameetp> fader_, bladernr: any of you run into problems with ubuntu server when you don't select grub?
[00:20] <bladernr> more likely to find answers that are ISO/installer related in here right now, where you'll probably have better luck in +1 for more related things
[00:20] <bladernr> ameetp:  did you set your single char password?
[00:21] <bladernr> sigh... I need to just stop.
[00:21] <fader_> ameetp: Er, not sure what you mean, "don't select grub"
[00:21] <fader_> ameetp: What are you seeing?
[00:21] <bladernr> ameetp:  I did a couple server runs later, but no I did not notice any issue at all
[00:21] <bladernr> err... earlier, not later
[00:21] <bladernr> crap... gotta throw some clothes on and run to the store before it closes... bbiab
[00:22] <ameetp> fader_: got the option to install grub, but if you say 'No' the screen just goes blank and nothing happens
[00:22] <fader_> Ah, hmm I haven't tried that one
[00:22] <fader_> ameetp: IIRC it *should* take you through the reboot stuff after that; I know I tried it around beta time and didn't get hung up
[00:22] <charlie-tca> and you can't go into rescue mode on the server cd to fix grub, either
[00:23] <ameetp> fader_: yeah that's what I thought.
[00:23] <ameetp> fader_, bladernr, charlie-tca: If you guys get a chance, could you double check and let me know
[00:24] <charlie-tca> Sure. but it might be a while
[00:24] <fader_> ameetp: I'm actually about to bolt and make some food before my blood sugar drops to 0, so it'll be a while for me too
[00:24] <charlie-tca> ameetp: does it matter which arch?
[00:24] <fader_> I'll kick off a server install before I do and come back to punch grub in the face though
[00:25] <charlie-tca> fader, you gonna run 32bit or 64bit?
[00:25] <fader_> charlie-tca: Heh, I was waiting for you to pick one :)
[00:25] <fader_> charlie-tca: I'll grab 64
[00:25] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will run 32bit
[00:26] <ameetp> thanks fader and charlie-tca.  I've only tried it on 64 bit
[00:27] <charlie-tca> ameetp: any particular install? I am not familiar with server anymore
[00:27] <fader_> ameetp: My install is running... I'll come back in an hour or two to check out grub and let you know
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Mine is started, I'll try to stay with it
[00:28] <ameetp> charlie-tca: I was trying the encrypted LVM one, but I don't think it matters... But I am checking now ;)
[00:28] <fader_> In the meantime, fader needs food badly
[00:28] <fader_> BBIAB
[00:55] <ameetp> hmm... it worked this time on server amd64.  Maybe I fat fingered through the screens
[00:56] <charlie-tca> ameetp: I have the question "Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record?"
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Is that when I say no?
[00:56] <ameetp> yeah, then manually specify the partition or place you want it
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Okay, where should it go?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> or does it stay empty?
[00:57] <ameetp> on the next screen you specify where it goes
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Right, I have that screen now. that is the one I leave empty now/
[00:58] <charlie-tca> ?
[00:58] <ameetp> I specified /dev/sda
[00:58] <charlie-tca> It doesn't care
[00:58] <charlie-tca> I left it empty, but it is finishing the install
[00:59] <charlie-tca> Locked on the reboot, since there is no GRUB installed
[00:59] <ameetp> yeah, you need specify something
[00:59] <charlie-tca> Okay, but it never blanked out
[00:59] <ameetp> ah okay
[00:59] <ameetp> good to know
[00:59] <charlie-tca> I will run it on hardware in about an hour
[01:00] <ameetp> charlie-tca thanks for trying this
[01:00] <ameetp> I need to get some food
[01:00] <ameetp> bbiab
[01:06] <fader> ameetp: I can confirm charlie-tca's report... ubuntu-server amd64 default install on virtualbox
[01:06]  * fader goes to eat his tasty-smelling food. :)
[01:07] <areeda> Hi,  If I want to run an ISO test, should I use the Daily or the Maverick RC?  just want to verify
[01:09] <bladernr> areeda:  you need to use the current iso
[01:10] <bladernr> areeda:  if you look at the top of the test case you select (for example: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4650/58 ) you'll see a download link that points you to the right ISO image.
[01:10] <bladernr> otherwise, you need daily-live/current/*.iso or daily/current/*.iso depending on the ISO you want to test
[01:10] <areeda> Thanks but that's my question: which one do we defines as the "current" iso,.  I think you answered my question
[01:11] <areeda> What is the difference between daily and daily-live?
[01:13] <bladernr> heh... honestly, I'm not entirely sure... I think the chief difference is that daily images are spun daily, while daily-live are spun AT LEAST daily, but maybe more than that... but that's just a guess.  The DVD images are dailys but also have the LiveCD environment (I originally thought the diff was liveCD vs debian-installer)
[01:13] <bladernr> but I never paid enough attention to the two, I just sync them all automatically and test away.
[01:14] <areeda> great!  I'll start downloads of daily then go make dinner.
[01:14] <areeda> Thanks again
[01:15] <bladernr> sure!  cheers
[01:25] <charlie-tca> when you look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ under each version, there is a directory called "current" which has the latest image
[01:26] <charlie-tca> Daily is the alternate installer image, daily-live is the destkop image that most people will download
[01:33] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  where is it that I can cause server to fail like ameetp was describing?
[01:33] <bladernr> I'm sitting at a "configure grub" screen in d-i that is simply asking if I want to install to mbr
[01:34] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  NM... saw it in the scrollback
[01:34] <charlie-tca> that's it. Tell it no
[01:35] <bladernr> yeah, then tell it /dev/sda
[01:35] <charlie-tca> The failure was a blank screen when hitting enter after saying no at that screen
[01:35] <bladernr> ahhh... didn't see that.  Selected "No" and got the screen to enter the location for grub, so I entered /dev/sda
[01:35] <bladernr> now it's ready to reboot.
[01:35] <charlie-tca> yup
[01:36] <bladernr> got grub and it's booting
[01:36] <charlie-tca> The failure was not getting the screen you could enter the location on
[01:36] <bladernr> ahhh... yeah, didn't get that
[01:36] <bladernr> err... didn't fail like that
[01:36] <charlie-tca> neither can anyone else yet. I will try a hardware install next
[01:38] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu alternate images - 32 & 64 done except ltsp
[01:43] <charlie-tca> Hardware server encrypted LVM running now
[02:14] <charlie-tca> 386 server - encrypted LVM on hardware passed
[02:18] <charlie-tca> back in an hour to finish up 64bit xubuntu tonite
[02:20] <areeda> What speeds do you typically get downloading an iso image?  Seems to me it was pretty good last time by right now I'm only getting 40KB/s and I still get decent rates on other sites.
[07:12] <bladernr> ok... 31 tests knocked out... time to go to bed I think...
[07:19] <skaet> bladernr,  thanks for all your efforts on the tests!   Sleep well.   our shift over here is starting to wake up....
[07:25] <ara> good morning all!
[07:25]  * skaet is delighted by how many test cases have been covered already when she woke up.  very cool!!
[07:25] <skaet> good morning ara
[07:26] <ara> good morning skaet
[07:26] <ara> skaet, already at the office?? is too early for you!
[07:27] <skaet> ara, working from hotel room.  Jet lag has its uses ;)
[07:27] <ara> skaet, yeah :)
[07:29] <skaet> ara, from a quick scan of the bugs on the scoreboard,  looks like ubiquity is the problem child for the release.
[07:29] <ara> skaet, yes, apparently oem-config is not working for some people
[07:30] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/650703
[07:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650703 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "OEM config appears to work but user setup is not run after reboot (affects: 2) (heat: 500)" [Undecided,New]
[07:30] <skaet> yup,  more than that.  Will bounce you the ones I'm seeing...
[07:31] <skaet> in particular, am a little concerned about the translation side as well.
[07:31] <skaet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/629061
[07:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 629061 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Desktop is in english after an installation in French (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,New]
[07:33] <ara> skaet, OK, I will start my day with an installation in Spanish to see if I can confirm the issue
[07:33] <skaet> is this still a valid issue?  do we have positive proof translations work for some languages and the issue is localized.
[07:33] <skaet> thanks ara. :)
[07:34] <skaet> I'll bounce some others to your inbox, as well.   The one on the plan to discuss with robbie and colin this morning.   ;)
[07:34] <ara> skaet, thanks
[07:36] <ara> skaet, I will ask for more information to Jean Baptiste, he did not mention if he had internet connection or not, which historically has had side effects on lang packs
[07:36] <skaet> ara,  good thing to confirm.   didn't know about the side effect, but it makes sense.
[07:37] <ara> skaet, French is included in the CD, so it should be mostly in French even if he hadn't Internet connection. But the more information, the merrier
[07:38] <skaet> ara, indeed.  :)
[08:55] <alourie> good morning
[09:01] <ara> jibel, related to bug 629061, is this happening with current images as well?
[09:01] <ubot4> ara: Bug 629061 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/629061 is private
[09:01] <ara> (the bot seems broken, the bug is public)
[09:01]  * jibel reading the report
[09:02] <ara> it was filed 5 days ago
[09:03] <jibel> oh, that's my report. It was filed 1month ago and 5days ago.
[09:03] <jibel> yes, latest zsync
[09:04] <jibel> as of yesterday evening.
[09:05] <jibel> I resynced this morning and retried the LiveCD installation and it's still broken.
[09:05] <jibel> Don't you see that in spanish ?
[09:05] <ara> but always using Wubi?
[09:05] <jibel> no, livecd too
[09:05] <ara> jibel, mmm, weird, let me check one thing
[09:05] <ara> (I don't see that in Spanish)
[09:09] <ara> jibel, I know what's happening, let me comment the bug
[09:10] <ara> jibel, well, when launchpad becomes r/w again...
[09:10] <jibel> The "language & Text" dialog is in French, in "Language for windows and menus" 'Français is the only value in the list, but the langpacks are not installed
[09:11] <ara> the thing is that French is not in the CD, so it has to be installed from the Internet
[09:11] <ara> jibel, but bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/656037 is preventing that
[09:11] <ubot4> ara: Error: Bug #656037 is private.
[09:11] <ara> everything has the same root cause
[09:12] <davmor2> morning ara, I doubt I'll be able to do any testing I'm afraid no spare time
[09:12] <jibel> ara, right, I confirm that
[09:13] <ara> davmor2, OK, no worries
[09:13] <alourie> folks, if I update my Maverick-pre right now, I will get to the latest, right?
[09:14] <ara> alourie, yes
[09:16] <alourie> thanks ara
[09:16] <alourie> wow, it's done
[09:16] <alourie> so it was pretty up to date I guess :-)
[10:47] <sulumar> Greetings
[10:49] <ara> hello sulumar, welcome
[11:02] <sulumar> before i start doing something useless
[11:03] <sulumar> is there anything that needs to be tested on 10.10
[11:03] <sulumar> ?
[11:06] <jibel> We are currently testing ISOs. You'll find the list of test cases http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[11:06] <jibel> You can start by any uncovered test case.
[11:12] <sulumar> ok ill download Xubuntu alternate and test it to start
[11:14] <ara> sulumar, great, thanks
[11:14] <ara> sulumar, you can mark the test as "Started" in the tracker
[11:18] <sulumar> Idiot question; how to mark the test as started
[11:18] <ara> sulumar, have you open an account in the tracker?
[11:19] <sulumar> i have
[11:19] <ara> then, log in, and select the testcase you are about to start
[11:19] <ara> you can submit your result as "Started"
[11:20] <sulumar> ok done
[11:20] <ara> great
[11:20] <sulumar> ok done
[11:27] <marjo> sulumar: welcome to qa team!
[11:29] <sulumar> thx
[11:29] <sulumar> expoiting the advantages of a laboratory machine setup for virtualisation
[11:35] <marjo> sulumar: nice
[11:37] <sulumar> an i7 with 12gb ram isnt too bad to virtualize ubuntu
[11:37] <marjo> sulumar: good to know
[11:38] <marjo> sulumar: nice system
[11:39] <sulumar> sadly not mine and i can only use it until december
[11:39] <marjo> sulumar; glad you have it available now; very timely
[11:42] <sulumar> at home i am under Fedora LXDE on 512 MB ram. A 12 Years old machine
[11:46] <sulumar>  Install (auto-resize) Xubuntu alternat: Passed
[11:48] <sulumar> Next one
[12:18] <sulumar> resizing the disk is kinda slow
[12:23] <ara> sulumar, yes, that's normal
[12:24] <ara> it is not a trivial task to do :)
[12:24] <sulumar> well it works, thats what matters. Test Passed
[12:25] <sulumar> now for the encryption one
[12:29] <sulumar> until there nothing went wrong
[12:42] <sulumar> wasnt there a meeting yesterday ??
[12:43] <ara> yes, there was
[12:45] <sulumar> is the report allready avidable
[12:45] <sulumar> ??µ
[12:48] <ara> not yet, I guess charlie-tca will send it today
[12:49] <sulumar> good
[12:50] <sulumar> another good news ist that the Xubuntu Alternate i386 passed all mandatory testcases without a singel bug
[12:54]  * ara -> lunch
[12:59] <sulumar> passing to the mandatorys of Ubuntu Studio
[13:10] <sulumar> its kinda funny to make iso testing that way
[13:11] <pbaxter> hello all
[13:11] <pbaxter> what do i have to change to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 from lucid?
[13:13] <sulumar> execute update-manager -d from command line
[13:13] <pbaxter> thanks
[13:56] <charlie-tca> Good mornig
[13:56] <jibel> Morning charlie-tca
[13:58] <ara> morning charlie-tca
[13:58] <jibel> what's the package to report bugs against kubuntu in general ? e.g when testing the LiveCD the desktop completely freeze after a few minutes.
[13:59] <charlie-tca> Doesn't kubuntu still use ubiquity?
[13:59] <charlie-tca> or rather, casper
[14:00] <jibel> never mind, I'll use kubuntu-netbook
[14:04] <bladernr> morning all :-)
[14:06] <ara> good morning bladernr
[14:08] <hggdh> yo bladernr
[14:08] <bladernr> :-)
[14:09] <bladernr> holy ara, hggdh
[14:09] <bladernr> errr... hola, not holy
[14:09] <bladernr> sigh
[14:09] <hggdh> but holy does make sense in regards to Ara :-)
[14:09] <bladernr> it's true
[14:09] <hggdh> applying it to me, it is quite a stretch, though
[14:11] <jibel> good morning bladernr!
[14:12] <bladernr> heh...  well, maybe in the terms of "Holy crap, hggdh what have you done now?!  or "Holy Cow, hggdh , who is that svelte older lady chatting you up at the bar?" :-)
[14:12] <bladernr> jibel:  morning!
[14:12] <pedro_> lol
[14:17] <charlie-tca> ara: that shutdown issue with xubuntu, hardware or VM?
[14:17] <ara> charlie-tca, kvm
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Okay. I haven't seen it in hardware
[14:18] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Desktop 64 will need a respin. It is still oversized on the testing candidate
[14:20] <ara> everything is likely to need a respin
[14:20] <hggdh> bladernr: what old lady, sir
[14:21]  * hggdh has no recollection of that event
[14:21] <bladernr> heh...
[14:21] <hggdh> :-)
[14:22] <skaet> hi ara,  just finished talking with cjwatson.  We're waiting for the ubiquity builds to upload and then the image builds will start.  Est. is about 1.5 hrs, before the first images roll off.
[14:22] <ara> skaet, thanks for the update
[14:23]  * charlie-tca will be gone from about 18:00 UTC for the day today.
[14:52] <bladernr> skaet:  is that a respin of everything?
[14:52]  * bladernr just noticed that the kubuntu dvd images disappeared while he was in the middle of syncing them
[14:55] <charlie-tca> ara: yes, I will get the QA meeting notes and logs out today
[14:55] <hggdh> ara: we are missing the UEC tests in the QA tracker
[14:56] <ara> who usually posts those?
[14:56] <ara> is ttx?
[14:57] <ara> hggdh, I am asking him about it
[14:58] <bladernr> ara:  are we respinning every image? if so, shouldn't we kill the tracker for now?
[14:58] <ara> bladernr, it shouldn't be me who decide that
[14:58] <ara> skaet, ^?
[15:00] <bladernr> ara:  just noticed that kubuntu DVD download links have disappeared, but the cases aren't marked as respinning...
[15:00] <bladernr> :(
[15:09] <alourie> ara: great screenshot of the first experience. I thought maybe adding screenshots from the first release for comparison :-)
[15:13] <skaet> ara, bladernr,  we're respinning them all.  I'll go in and kill the ones in the tracker now.
[15:14] <bladernr> skaet:  ahhh, thanks.
[15:14] <skaet> sorry,  was in discussion about the grub bug
[15:14] <bladernr> skaet:  no worries... I can well imagine what it's like over there today... I don't envy you ;-)
[15:15] <skaet> :)  its quite interesting actually,  learning alot as I go,  which is cool.
[15:15] <bladernr> excellent!
[15:23] <skaet> ara, bladernr  - images disabled now.
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet.
[16:35]  * ara needs to step out for some errands. She will be back in about 1 hour
[17:22] <ara> ubuntu alt posted
[17:24]  * pedro_ syncing
[18:06] <hggdh> new server images posted
[18:07] <fader> hggdh: I'm not sure but they might end up getting respun again, so you might want to wait a few minutes
[18:07] <ara> my alternate installation failed, due to some uninstallable packages
[18:08] <hggdh> fader: hope springs eternal...
[18:08] <fader> Hehe
[18:08] <fader> hggdh: My hope is that cjwatson has figured out bug 641259... he is making optimistic noises about it right now :)
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install (affects: 12) (heat: 82)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641259
[18:09] <hggdh> fader: yes, but keep in mind that cjwatson is usually making noises/grumbling, so it is all question of how one interprets it...
[18:12] <fader> hggdh: Yes, but usually his noises aren't this happy sounding :)
[18:12] <hggdh> ooohhh
[18:13] <ara> no panic, wrong image
[18:13] <fader> hggdh: In fact, sounds like it's not going to require a respin, so ignore what I said earlier
[18:13] <hggdh> fader: you see -- hope, etc...
[18:13] <marjo> fader,hggdh: cjwatson has a proposal for a workaround
[18:13] <fader> Hehe
[18:14] <fader> marjo: Indeed, he and I have been speaking
[18:14] <marjo> and then maybe you can try it on one or a couple of systems before we go for dinner (will make me feel better)
[18:14] <hggdh> what, going to dinner?
[18:15] <marjo> hggdh: yes, i do have to eat a little and drink a little
[18:15] <marjo> ttx is proposing indian food
[18:15] <hggdh> marjo: oh, that is good, and London has pretty good indian restaurants!
[18:16]  * hggdh meanwhile watches 4 systems install the new ISO server image
[18:27]  * skaet just posted kubuntu-alternate,  kubuntu-desktop
[18:28]  * skaet got the blessing from cjwatson, and have restarted the arm-* builds too.
[19:15] <njin> hello, i'm testing ubuntu amd64 2010107, everythings ok, but at the start just after grun i've modprobe fatal error ....kernel 2.6.35..-generic. then plymouth stat regularry. In logs don't seems to be nothing relevant, but can you tell me where to look to found track of this ?
[19:16] <njin> Are someone having this?
[19:16] <njin> Thanks
[20:02] <xdatap> hello. I just received notification for an Ubuntu Netbook Test but the image doesn't exist. Ubuntu Netbook Edition [20101007]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4705
[20:02] <xdatap> Is it going to have another respin?
[20:10] <ara__> xdatap, the image exists
[20:10] <xdatap> ara, oh, now it works. Let's sync :)
[20:10] <ara> :)
[20:24] <highvoltage> is edubuntu dvd really rebuilding?
[20:25] <highvoltage> (iso.qa says so)
[20:45] <bladernr> so before I start up again... are the things that are present really present, or is there another respin in the works (looking at the Kubuntu stuff for now)
[20:59] <ara> jibel, have you tried installing in French with the latest builds?
[21:16] <jibel> ara, I'm testing it now.
[22:10] <jibel> installation in French is fixed with the latest iso and sources.list is correct.
[22:14] <skaet> \o/
[23:09] <bladernr> What the heck is AzBot and why am I getting messages from it when it bans someone?
[23:58] <marjo> edubuntu, mythbuntu posted
[23:59]  * fader starts re-syncing
[23:59] <marjo> fader: thx!
[23:59] <fader> marjo: Go to bed! :P