[00:08] <dantti_note> Riddell: right I'll try to send you a patch this night to disable that, but imo both should be enabled, and for 11.04 i can enumerate a few problems on having just the apt one..
[00:11] <dantti_note> oh this nvidia beta driver is so broken that even skype doesn't work well :(
[00:22] <CIA-116> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101007232153-nuigpn1usadhbwpg * src/daemon/event.cpp A bit less obnoxious this way.
[00:23] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1183579 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/event.cpp A bit less obnoxious this way
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> code copies ftl
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> we need a libkdedevent for that event class
[04:16] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1183605 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Use value() instead of the [] operator when looking up an origin label to prevent the QHash from inserting a value in the case that there isn't a label for the said origin.
[08:17] <valorie> jussi, you might already be aware of this, but I just saw it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/fglrx-finally-works-with-ubuntu-1010.html
[08:17] <valorie> I'm thinking that update might be messing with us?
[08:18] <jussi> valorie: I reinstalled, and it seems to work now
[08:18] <valorie> reinstalled what?
[08:18] <valorie> Mav?
[08:19] <jussi> yup
[08:19] <jussi> now flash works
[08:19] <valorie> oh gads
[08:19] <jussi> and fglrx
[08:19] <valorie> so, clean install was the key?
[08:20] <jussi> well kind of. I retained my home dir
[08:20] <valorie> right, I can't let that go
[08:20] <valorie> I guess i should back it up, and reinstall
[08:20] <valorie> fiddlesticks
[08:20] <jussi> annoying though
[08:21] <valorie> indeed
[08:22] <valorie> is it worth it, do you think, to rsync the alpha ISO I have
[08:22] <valorie> or should I just re-download?
[08:22] <jussi> I cant see any reason why not...
[08:23] <jussi> but I am not an expert in rsync
[08:23] <valorie> mee either, by a long shot
[08:23] <valorie> but I can google.....
[08:24] <jussi> hrm, however I dont seem to have desktop effects :/
[08:29] <valorie> ah, I guess I should let amarok finish building first
[08:30] <valorie> zsync looks like the way to go
[08:31] <shadeslayer> ok it seems ill be getting my visa in 5 days \o/
[08:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell ^
[08:32] <valorie> we should have a kubuntu meetup at some point
[08:32] <valorie> when are y'all arriving in Orlando
[08:32] <shadeslayer> arent we having one @ UDS?
[08:32] <valorie> or to the hotel?
[08:32]  * shadeslayer has to check his mail for that
[08:32] <valorie> oh, how would I find out
[08:32] <shadeslayer> hold on
[08:33] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately my return is on the 30th
[08:33]  * valorie still doesn't have tickets, unless they finally acted to day
[08:33] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/dBwdPeJh
[08:33] <shadeslayer> valorie: ^
[08:33] <valorie> I'm flying friday, and staying with a friend for the weekend
[08:33] <valorie> :-)
[08:33] <valorie> flying home sunday
[08:34]  * shadeslayer tries to make sense of those details
[08:34] <valorie> hopefully spending Sat/sun with the Halls
[08:34] <shadeslayer> i think the first time column is IST, and the second one is whatever orlando follows
[08:34] <jussi> Im likely flying in sun and out sat
[08:34] <shadeslayer> EDT or something
[08:35] <shadeslayer> jussi: likewise for me
[08:35] <valorie> that's the worst god-awful glob of text I've ever seen
[08:35] <shadeslayer> hehe... i know...
[08:36] <shadeslayer> ok ive understood it i think
[08:36] <valorie> I understand your name, and the times
[08:36] <valorie> lol
[08:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:36] <shadeslayer> i think 22.50 is IST
[08:36] <shadeslayer> everything else is EDT .. except last entry which is again IST
[08:37] <valorie> so you arrive the 24th, and leave the 30th
[08:37] <shadeslayer> yus
[08:37] <valorie> how many hours in the air?
[08:37] <valorie> gosh, that's a lot of flying
[08:37] <shadeslayer> probably 18-20
[08:37] <valorie> i was thinking about whining, but I'll just shut up
[08:37] <shadeslayer> valorie: all the way from india :P
[08:38] <valorie> yah
[08:38] <valorie> impressive
[08:38]  * valorie just has to fly the diagonal across the US
[08:39] <nigelb> shadeslayer: did ya get visa? :)
[08:44] <shadeslayer> nigelb: they kept my passport, will mail it to me in 5 days
[08:44] <shadeslayer> so yeah i guess
[08:44] <nigelb> shadeslayer: yay, congrats :)
[08:44] <shadeslayer> they were rejecting people left, right and centre :S
[08:44] <shadeslayer> nigelb: thanks!
[08:44] <nigelb> yeah, I was one of those :p
[08:45] <shadeslayer> nigelb: ill say re-apply, vish was also rejected :(
[08:45] <shadeslayer> they asked me the same questions as you :)
[08:46] <shadeslayer> i guess being a student + UK visa helped alot 
[08:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: can't reapply
[08:48] <nigelb> shadeslayer: too late.
[08:49] <shadeslayer> whut? whai?
[08:49] <shadeslayer> nigelb: its what... 15 days more to UDS
[08:50] <shadeslayer> so submit fees > 2 days waiting > take appointment in any of the 13 days?
[08:50] <nigelb> once you are rejected you can get appointment only at the end
[08:50] <nigelb> shadeslayer: ^^
[08:50] <nigelb> So next appointment is only for 22nd
[08:51] <shadeslayer> meh... this is lamez
[08:51] <nigelb> shadeslayer: yeah, I know.
[08:51] <nigelb> you are the Indian representative this time around :p
[08:51] <shadeslayer> nigelb: apply for next UDS then, also, i wont get to go to Disneyland :'(
[08:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[08:52] <nigelb> shadeslayer: lol
[08:52] <nigelb> did you get the gift from mom?
[08:52] <shadeslayer> nigelb: she's going to get it next week ( probably Monday )
[08:52] <nigelb> Moar win :)
[08:52] <shadeslayer> a shiny new N900 \o/
[08:55] <jussi> next uds should be on this side of the world..
[08:55] <valorie> shadeslayer: unless we sneak out with apachelogger
[08:56] <jussi> I might be staying an extra day at the end :D
[08:56] <jussi> recovery day!
[08:56] <shadeslayer> valorie: aye... we will take jussi with us :P
[08:56] <valorie> Band on the run.....
[08:56] <valorie> checking my email
[08:56] <valorie> maybe they finally bought my tickets
[08:58] <valorie> jussi, which ISO did you grab?
[08:58] <jussi> the daily from yesterday, linked from the qa site
[08:58] <valorie> k
[09:08] <shadeslayer> anyone have a connecting flight from Newark? :)
[09:09]  * valorie is connecting from ......Dallas I think
[09:12] <valorie> Houston
[09:12] <valorie> I do have tickets, thank goodness
[09:13] <valorie> 7 hours in the air
[09:17] <jussi> Im connecting from JFK I think
[09:17] <jussi> valorie: short flight then? :D
[09:18] <jussi> min is 55mins, 8:40, then 3:02. should be fun :D
[09:19] <jussi> so a total of 12:37 :)
[09:19] <jussi> plus changes
[09:41] <valorie> 4 hours to Dallas, another 3 to Orlando
[09:41] <valorie> so nicely broken up
[09:41] <jussi> valorie: this is way better than before. 
[09:41] <jussi> fglrx actually helped a _lot_
[09:42] <valorie> now that I've done updates, and updated the UDS wiki
[09:42] <valorie> I'll restart
[09:43] <valorie> and see if today's updates fix it
[09:43] <valorie> otherwise, zsync, here I come
[09:43] <valorie> bbiab
[09:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yay
[09:48] <shadeslayer> :)
[09:48] <shadeslayer> now you can clone yourself :P
[09:48] <apachelogger> git clone
[09:48] <shadeslayer> ok pizza is here, cya in a bit :D
[09:49] <valorie> now to learn zsync
[10:00] <valorie> and blogging about it, of course
[10:01] <valorie> almost 20% done already
[10:01] <valorie> alpha took about 3 hours to download
[10:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: my flight goes via Newark
[10:08] <shadeslayer> oooh
[10:08] <shadeslayer> what date/time?
[10:08] <shadeslayer> ( local time @ Newark )
[10:09] <shadeslayer> and if you have the flight number, it would be awesome
[10:11] <valorie> 73%!
[10:11] <valorie> zsync is awesome
[10:11]  * shadeslayer is trying to make qt GUI for that
[10:12] <valorie> for zsync?
[10:12] <valorie> it's uber-easy
[10:12] <valorie> if I can do it, anyone can
[10:12] <valorie> well, anyone over 10
[10:13] <valorie> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso
[10:13] <valorie> how hard can it be?
[10:14] <valorie> 92% done
[10:14] <valorie> OMG, this is the best thing evar
[10:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's co37 and arrives 16:15
[10:16] <shadeslayer> awww
[10:17] <shadeslayer> mine leaves AWR at 8.30
[10:20] <valorie> well, damn it, I dled the wrong one
[10:20] <valorie> should have been zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:20] <valorie> maybe a gui would be better
[10:20] <valorie> lol
[10:20] <shadeslayer> :D
[10:21] <valorie> until then, my fellow newbs will linuxgrandma's blog to hold their hands
[10:22] <valorie> shadeslayer: is this a KDE version of ubuntu-qa-tools
[10:22] <valorie> ?
[10:22] <shadeslayer> nope
[10:22] <shadeslayer> valorie: http://gitorious.org/qzsync
[10:22] <shadeslayer> still heavy WIP
[10:23] <valorie> cool
[10:23] <valorie> I have a backup app which is a front for rsync
[10:24] <valorie> luckyBackup
[10:24] <valorie> that's my next step
[10:24] <valorie> backup home
[10:27] <valorie> do you have any screenshots?
[10:27] <valorie> heh, it's still almost 60% done
[10:27] <valorie> really rocking
[10:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: yus
[10:28] <shadeslayer> one sec
[10:29] <shadeslayer> valorie: http://imgur.com/3Lb8f
[10:29] <shadeslayer> altho..im thinking of a UI re-write
[10:30] <shadeslayer> on the basis of Ktorrent/KGet
[10:47]  * valorie starts writing ISO to the USB
[10:57] <valorie> if only I knew how to just sync THAT
[10:58] <valorie> it's only 1/3 done
[10:58] <valorie> bleah
[10:58] <valorie> USB is soooo slow
[12:53] <fregl> is it expected that I get this when running apt-get update on merverick? Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[13:20] <ScottK> fregl: not generally, but it sometimes comes up as a transient.
[13:20] <ScottK> If it didn't fix its self in several minutes, then it's potentially concerning.
[13:20] <fregl> ok, I expect it will be more stable after the release
[13:20] <fregl> I commented out th source lines for now
[13:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:21] <fregl> the installation was actually quite pleasing :)
[13:21] <fregl> kpackagekit didn't like policykit (whichever version that is) much - I could not edit any sources in there
[13:22] <fregl> it showed a dialog which immediately disappeared again
[13:44] <Riddell> fregl: what happens when you start software-properties-kde from the command line?
[13:46] <fregl> Riddell: as normal user I get a hint: "Please run ... with administrative rights. ... kdesudo."
[13:46] <fregl> I did add a new user to this machine - what group do I need to be in for this?
[13:46] <ScottK> fregl: admin
[13:46] <fregl> I added the user to all the groups that the originally created user is in. In fact I'll try with the first user.
[13:47] <fregl> groups says I'm in admin
[13:47] <ScottK> Not sure then.
[13:49] <fregl> hum, logout seems to not work on my test lappy
[13:50] <fregl> it returns to shell
[13:51] <fregl> oh, in var/log/messages I got a segfault in packagekitd - error 4 in libc-2.12.1.so
[13:53] <Riddell> logout not working suggests kdm is crashing
[13:53] <Riddell> which i think is a problem ScottK has been having
[13:54] <ScottK> Riddell: The one I've been having at least appears to be an X crash.  It could be KDM though.
[13:54] <fregl> ok, with the user that was originally created packagekit works
[13:55] <fregl> since that user was a demo user, I created a second account for myself... I should have done it the other way around
[13:55] <fregl> I'll compare groups now
[13:55] <ScottK> Riddell: If the work around in bug 651294 solves your crash then I'd agree they are likely the same.
[13:56] <fregl> yes, I think it is an intel card
[13:56] <fregl> I just got the machine
[14:02] <fregl> Riddell: ScottK: yes, the workaround from 65129 solves my issue with kdm
[14:02] <ScottK> OK.
[14:02] <ScottK> IIRC that's an indication to blame X, not KDM, but I wouldn't claim to be an expert.
[14:06] <fregl> ok, my kpackagekit trouble is also solved: I created the user with an empty default group, no clue why kuser allows me to do that ?!? adding a proper group  as primary group helped
[14:09] <fregl> hm, the select user dialog becomes pretty annoying after a while ;) I whish it would remember my last choice - is that in kde upstream?
[14:10] <Riddell> fregl: are you sure it was kuser?  we ship with userconfig by default
[14:12] <fregl> Riddell: oh, I'm clearly not up to date, is that custom kubuntu?
[14:13] <fregl> hum, the software selection in kpackagekit is awesome-double-plus-great. but why does it show the list of software in disabled font color?
[14:13] <Riddell> fregl: it's pykde author/kubuntu and should replace kuser upstream in everyone's humble opinion but it hasn't happened 
[14:13] <fregl> ah, installed stuff gets proper black font...
[14:14] <fregl> Riddell: ok, where do I file a bug about it?
[14:14] <fregl> it was nice to use, but creating a user without group is not so great ;)
[14:14] <Riddell> fregl: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig/+filebug  or poke yuriy_work 
[14:14] <Riddell> or both
[14:16] <fregl> yuriy_work: poke :)
[14:16] <fregl> Riddell: ScottK: thanks a lot guys! *hug*
[14:16] <ScottK> fregl: You're welcome.
[14:16] <Riddell> thanks for testing fregl 
[14:17] <fregl> :)
[14:20] <fregl> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig/+bug/656880
[14:37] <shadeslayer> lex79: did you review my koffice package?
[15:11] <txwikinger> And? Maverick finished?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> id say yeah
[15:11] <shadeslayer> to the SRU mobile!
[15:11] <txwikinger> since the logical release day was yesterday
[15:12]  * txwikinger found a problem in pyqt4
[15:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: how come?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> how was the logical release day yesterday? :)
[15:16] <txwikinger> releases are always on Thursdays
[15:16] <txwikinger> and yesterday was the last Thursday before 10-10-10
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:26] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: IIRC sabdfl wants to release on 10.10 10/10/10 :D
[15:27] <txwikinger> No.. he said in UDS the official date is 10-10-10 but it should be finished the Thursday before
[15:27] <shadeslayer> um... isnt it finished?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i think the archive is frozen solid
[15:28] <shadeslayer> final ISO's are up
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i think were all set for a 10/10/10 release
[15:33] <Riddell> we're not all set, they need testing
[15:33] <Riddell> so do upgrades
[15:34] <shadeslayer> not enuf bandwidth :S
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ill bbl .. cya
[15:53] <yuriy_work> fregl: pong
[15:53] <fregl> yuriy_work: hey :) I filed a bug for the user management
[15:53] <yuriy_work> oh i see it
[15:53] <yuriy_work> thanks
[15:53] <fregl> it was just that it allowed me to creat a user with no group
[15:53] <fregl> thanks for looking at it :)
[15:54] <yuriy_work> unfortunately i haven't gotten around to the bugs or any Kubuntu work in about a year :(
[15:55] <txwikinger> Riddell: I did 4 upgrades
[15:57] <yuriy_work> so if there is someone new looking to get into pykde work, i think userconfig would be a great project for them
[16:12] <Riddell> txwikinger: groovy, report them on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:13] <txwikinger> Riddell: I thought there are only iso tests.. I did do-release-upgrade
[16:13] <txwikinger> but I can do some iso testing later in my vm
[16:13] <Riddell> txwikinger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4748 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4749
[17:06] <dev001> Is 10.10 slated to have KDE 4.5.1 or 4.5.2?  iiuc, atm 4.5.2 is only avaialble via PPA ...
[17:11] <Riddell> dev001: there's your ansewr
[17:11] <Riddell> dev001: there's your answer
[17:13] <dev001> Riddell: sry, what?
[17:14] <Riddell> if 4.5.2 is only in a PPA then the answer must be 4.5.1
[17:15] <dev001> Riddell: I have no idea what decisions if any have been made about official release, as it's not out yet.  Hence, my question -- and my understanding "at the moment".
[17:24] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I was too impolite
[17:51] <ulysses> 2
[17:51] <ulysses> (sorry)
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when are the sessions finalized? any dates?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> like ... when do we have a definitive schedule
[18:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: you dont, the schedule is fluid, it changes everyday
[18:18] <shadeslayer> jussi: uhh... isnt that counter-productive?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> we should have one schedule and stick to it
[18:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: not really, things come up...
[18:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: it works pretty well
[18:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:19] <jussi> shadeslayer: the schedule is always up on the monitors, so you never lose track
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:19] <jussi> and there are monitors every where
[18:19] <shadeslayer> but then theres a chance of missing a session ;(
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ;)
[18:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh and i suppose we have wifi right :P
[18:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: well not really, as long as you look at the monitor before every session.
[18:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: of course
[18:20] <shadeslayer> seems rekonq is moving to git.kde.org
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yayy
[18:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: kewl
[18:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: sometimes you have to choose, because 2 you want to go to are at the same time
[18:20] <shadeslayer> aww
[18:21] <jussi> but if there is a conflict and you really need to be in both, they can sometimes move them so it works, hence fluid schedule
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:22] <shadeslayer> jussi: how will you be making calls and stuff from US?
[18:22] <jussi> shadeslayer: skype
[18:22] <shadeslayer> ohk
[18:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: it works for you on Kubuntu? ... my mic doesnt pick up alot of voice...
[18:23] <shadeslayer> i have to lean into my screen to speak :P
[18:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: turn the mic up?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> doesnt work, its at full volume
[18:24] <shadeslayer> otoh it works in gnome just fine
[18:25] <jussi> have you pulse installed or using normal kubuntu
[18:25] <shadeslayer> normal kubuntu
[18:25] <jussi> are you sure, pulse keeps kreeping in on me
[18:25] <shadeslayer> so maybe ill install guh-no-meh @ UDS for some time :D
[18:25] <shadeslayer> lemme check again
[18:25] <shadeslayer> gah
[18:25] <shadeslayer> i haz pulseaudio installed
[18:26] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/GXPbJeLZ
[18:26] <jussi> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[18:26] <jussi> ;)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:28] <jussi> is there any way you can move the "title bars" to the bottom of the window? could be interesting and I wouldnt mind trying it...
[18:30] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[18:41] <ScottK> Tm_T: Any chance to test powerpc final images?
[19:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Skype works fine for me on Kubuntu.
[19:21] <ScottK> jussi: With pulseaudio.
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mic input is low here
[19:21] <shadeslayer> also.. it isnt signing in right now -.-
[19:22] <jussi> pulse is evil. never works for me
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: lol... after removing pulse skype says : Microphone : Pulse Audio Server (local) , hahha
[19:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: log out and log in
[19:23] <jussi> ;)
[19:24] <shadeslayer> jussi: as in log out of KDE?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> well
[19:26] <shadeslayer> it still says PA
[19:26] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[19:28] <maco> did you log out of kde yet?
[19:28] <maco> cuz uninstalling pulse doesnt make it stop running...
[19:28] <jussi> maybe restart, I dont remember
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ok will restart then
[19:31] <shadeslayer> oooooooooh
[19:32] <shadeslayer> jussi: maco ScottK it works much better without PA 
[19:33] <maco> my only skype related issue happen in webcam-land, not mic-land
[19:33] <shadeslayer> webcam works fine here :D