[00:08] Riddell: right I'll try to send you a patch this night to disable that, but imo both should be enabled, and for 11.04 i can enumerate a few problems on having just the apt one.. [00:11] oh this nvidia beta driver is so broken that even skype doesn't work well :( === v is now known as vorian [00:22] [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101007232153-nuigpn1usadhbwpg * src/daemon/event.cpp A bit less obnoxious this way. [00:23] [muon] jmthomas * 1183579 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/event.cpp A bit less obnoxious this way [00:23] code copies ftl [00:24] we need a libkdedevent for that event class [04:16] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1183605 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Use value() instead of the [] operator when looking up an origin label to prevent the QHash from inserting a value in the case that there isn't a label for the said origin. [08:17] jussi, you might already be aware of this, but I just saw it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/fglrx-finally-works-with-ubuntu-1010.html [08:17] I'm thinking that update might be messing with us? [08:18] valorie: I reinstalled, and it seems to work now [08:18] reinstalled what? [08:18] Mav? [08:19] yup [08:19] now flash works [08:19] oh gads [08:19] and fglrx [08:19] so, clean install was the key? [08:20] well kind of. I retained my home dir [08:20] right, I can't let that go [08:20] I guess i should back it up, and reinstall [08:20] fiddlesticks [08:20] annoying though [08:21] indeed [08:22] is it worth it, do you think, to rsync the alpha ISO I have [08:22] or should I just re-download? [08:22] I cant see any reason why not... [08:23] but I am not an expert in rsync [08:23] mee either, by a long shot [08:23] but I can google..... [08:24] hrm, however I dont seem to have desktop effects :/ [08:29] ah, I guess I should let amarok finish building first [08:30] zsync looks like the way to go [08:31] ok it seems ill be getting my visa in 5 days \o/ [08:31] apachelogger: Riddell ^ [08:32] we should have a kubuntu meetup at some point [08:32] when are y'all arriving in Orlando [08:32] arent we having one @ UDS? [08:32] or to the hotel? [08:32] * shadeslayer has to check his mail for that [08:32] oh, how would I find out [08:32] hold on [08:33] unfourtunately my return is on the 30th [08:33] * valorie still doesn't have tickets, unless they finally acted to day [08:33] http://pastebin.com/dBwdPeJh [08:33] valorie: ^ [08:33] I'm flying friday, and staying with a friend for the weekend [08:33] :-) [08:33] flying home sunday [08:34] * shadeslayer tries to make sense of those details [08:34] hopefully spending Sat/sun with the Halls [08:34] i think the first time column is IST, and the second one is whatever orlando follows [08:34] Im likely flying in sun and out sat [08:34] EDT or something [08:35] jussi: likewise for me [08:35] that's the worst god-awful glob of text I've ever seen [08:35] hehe... i know... [08:36] ok ive understood it i think [08:36] I understand your name, and the times [08:36] lol [08:36] hehe [08:36] i think 22.50 is IST [08:36] everything else is EDT .. except last entry which is again IST [08:37] so you arrive the 24th, and leave the 30th [08:37] yus [08:37] how many hours in the air? [08:37] gosh, that's a lot of flying [08:37] probably 18-20 [08:37] i was thinking about whining, but I'll just shut up [08:37] valorie: all the way from india :P [08:38] yah [08:38] impressive [08:38] * valorie just has to fly the diagonal across the US [08:39] shadeslayer: did ya get visa? :) [08:44] nigelb: they kept my passport, will mail it to me in 5 days [08:44] so yeah i guess [08:44] shadeslayer: yay, congrats :) [08:44] they were rejecting people left, right and centre :S === hunger____ is now known as hunger [08:44] nigelb: thanks! [08:44] yeah, I was one of those :p [08:45] nigelb: ill say re-apply, vish was also rejected :( [08:45] they asked me the same questions as you :) [08:46] i guess being a student + UK visa helped alot [08:47] shadeslayer: can't reapply [08:48] shadeslayer: too late. [08:49] whut? whai? [08:49] nigelb: its what... 15 days more to UDS [08:50] so submit fees > 2 days waiting > take appointment in any of the 13 days? [08:50] once you are rejected you can get appointment only at the end [08:50] shadeslayer: ^^ [08:50] So next appointment is only for 22nd [08:51] meh... this is lamez [08:51] shadeslayer: yeah, I know. [08:51] you are the Indian representative this time around :p [08:51] nigelb: apply for next UDS then, also, i wont get to go to Disneyland :'( [08:52] :D [08:52] shadeslayer: lol [08:52] did you get the gift from mom? [08:52] nigelb: she's going to get it next week ( probably Monday ) [08:52] Moar win :) [08:52] a shiny new N900 \o/ [08:55] next uds should be on this side of the world.. [08:55] shadeslayer: unless we sneak out with apachelogger [08:56] I might be staying an extra day at the end :D [08:56] recovery day! [08:56] valorie: aye... we will take jussi with us :P [08:56] Band on the run..... [08:56] checking my email [08:56] maybe they finally bought my tickets [08:58] jussi, which ISO did you grab? [08:58] the daily from yesterday, linked from the qa site [08:58] k [09:08] anyone have a connecting flight from Newark? :) [09:09] * valorie is connecting from ......Dallas I think [09:12] Houston [09:12] I do have tickets, thank goodness [09:13] 7 hours in the air [09:17] Im connecting from JFK I think [09:17] valorie: short flight then? :D [09:18] min is 55mins, 8:40, then 3:02. should be fun :D [09:19] so a total of 12:37 :) [09:19] plus changes [09:41] 4 hours to Dallas, another 3 to Orlando [09:41] so nicely broken up [09:41] valorie: this is way better than before. [09:41] fglrx actually helped a _lot_ [09:42] now that I've done updates, and updated the UDS wiki [09:42] I'll restart [09:43] and see if today's updates fix it [09:43] otherwise, zsync, here I come [09:43] bbiab [09:48] shadeslayer: yay [09:48] :) [09:48] now you can clone yourself :P [09:48] git clone [09:48] ok pizza is here, cya in a bit :D [09:49] now to learn zsync [10:00] and blogging about it, of course [10:01] almost 20% done already [10:01] alpha took about 3 hours to download [10:08] shadeslayer: my flight goes via Newark [10:08] oooh [10:08] what date/time? [10:08] ( local time @ Newark ) [10:09] and if you have the flight number, it would be awesome [10:11] 73%! [10:11] zsync is awesome [10:11] * shadeslayer is trying to make qt GUI for that [10:12] for zsync? [10:12] it's uber-easy [10:12] if I can do it, anyone can [10:12] well, anyone over 10 [10:13] zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso [10:13] how hard can it be? [10:14] 92% done [10:14] OMG, this is the best thing evar [10:15] shadeslayer: it's co37 and arrives 16:15 [10:16] awww [10:17] mine leaves AWR at 8.30 [10:20] well, damn it, I dled the wrong one [10:20] should have been zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso.zsync [10:20] maybe a gui would be better [10:20] lol [10:20] :D [10:21] until then, my fellow newbs will linuxgrandma's blog to hold their hands [10:22] shadeslayer: is this a KDE version of ubuntu-qa-tools [10:22] ? [10:22] nope [10:22] valorie: http://gitorious.org/qzsync [10:22] still heavy WIP [10:23] cool [10:23] I have a backup app which is a front for rsync [10:24] luckyBackup [10:24] that's my next step [10:24] backup home [10:27] do you have any screenshots? [10:27] heh, it's still almost 60% done [10:27] really rocking [10:28] valorie: yus [10:28] one sec [10:29] valorie: http://imgur.com/3Lb8f [10:29] altho..im thinking of a UI re-write [10:30] on the basis of Ktorrent/KGet [10:47] * valorie starts writing ISO to the USB [10:57] if only I knew how to just sync THAT [10:58] it's only 1/3 done [10:58] bleah [10:58] USB is soooo slow [12:53] is it expected that I get this when running apt-get update on merverick? Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch [13:20] fregl: not generally, but it sometimes comes up as a transient. [13:20] If it didn't fix its self in several minutes, then it's potentially concerning. [13:20] ok, I expect it will be more stable after the release [13:20] I commented out th source lines for now [13:20] Yes. [13:21] the installation was actually quite pleasing :) [13:21] kpackagekit didn't like policykit (whichever version that is) much - I could not edit any sources in there [13:22] it showed a dialog which immediately disappeared again [13:44] fregl: what happens when you start software-properties-kde from the command line? [13:46] Riddell: as normal user I get a hint: "Please run ... with administrative rights. ... kdesudo." [13:46] I did add a new user to this machine - what group do I need to be in for this? [13:46] fregl: admin [13:46] I added the user to all the groups that the originally created user is in. In fact I'll try with the first user. [13:47] groups says I'm in admin [13:47] Not sure then. [13:49] hum, logout seems to not work on my test lappy [13:50] it returns to shell [13:51] oh, in var/log/messages I got a segfault in packagekitd - error 4 in libc-2.12.1.so [13:53] logout not working suggests kdm is crashing [13:53] which i think is a problem ScottK has been having [13:54] Riddell: The one I've been having at least appears to be an X crash. It could be KDM though. [13:54] ok, with the user that was originally created packagekit works [13:55] since that user was a demo user, I created a second account for myself... I should have done it the other way around [13:55] I'll compare groups now [13:55] Riddell: If the work around in bug 651294 solves your crash then I'd agree they are likely the same. [13:55] Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 [13:56] yes, I think it is an intel card [13:56] I just got the machine [14:02] Riddell: ScottK: yes, the workaround from 65129 solves my issue with kdm [14:02] OK. [14:02] IIRC that's an indication to blame X, not KDM, but I wouldn't claim to be an expert. [14:06] ok, my kpackagekit trouble is also solved: I created the user with an empty default group, no clue why kuser allows me to do that ?!? adding a proper group as primary group helped [14:09] hm, the select user dialog becomes pretty annoying after a while ;) I whish it would remember my last choice - is that in kde upstream? [14:10] fregl: are you sure it was kuser? we ship with userconfig by default [14:12] Riddell: oh, I'm clearly not up to date, is that custom kubuntu? [14:13] hum, the software selection in kpackagekit is awesome-double-plus-great. but why does it show the list of software in disabled font color? [14:13] fregl: it's pykde author/kubuntu and should replace kuser upstream in everyone's humble opinion but it hasn't happened [14:13] ah, installed stuff gets proper black font... [14:14] Riddell: ok, where do I file a bug about it? [14:14] it was nice to use, but creating a user without group is not so great ;) [14:14] fregl: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig/+filebug or poke yuriy_work [14:14] or both [14:16] yuriy_work: poke :) [14:16] Riddell: ScottK: thanks a lot guys! *hug* [14:16] fregl: You're welcome. [14:16] thanks for testing fregl [14:17] :) [14:20] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig/+bug/656880 [14:20] Launchpad bug 656880 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "Creating a new user should make sure the user gets a group assigned" [Undecided,New] [14:37] lex79: did you review my koffice package? [15:11] And? Maverick finished? [15:11] id say yeah [15:11] to the SRU mobile! [15:11] since the logical release day was yesterday [15:12] * txwikinger found a problem in pyqt4 [15:15] txwikinger: how come? [15:15] how was the logical release day yesterday? :) [15:16] releases are always on Thursdays [15:16] and yesterday was the last Thursday before 10-10-10 [15:26] ah [15:26] txwikinger: IIRC sabdfl wants to release on 10.10 10/10/10 :D [15:27] No.. he said in UDS the official date is 10-10-10 but it should be finished the Thursday before [15:27] um... isnt it finished? [15:28] i think the archive is frozen solid [15:28] final ISO's are up [15:28] i think were all set for a 10/10/10 release [15:33] we're not all set, they need testing [15:33] so do upgrades [15:34] not enuf bandwidth :S [15:34] ill bbl .. cya [15:53] fregl: pong [15:53] yuriy_work: hey :) I filed a bug for the user management [15:53] oh i see it [15:53] thanks [15:53] it was just that it allowed me to creat a user with no group [15:53] thanks for looking at it :) [15:54] unfortunately i haven't gotten around to the bugs or any Kubuntu work in about a year :( [15:55] Riddell: I did 4 upgrades [15:57] so if there is someone new looking to get into pykde work, i think userconfig would be a great project for them === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:12] txwikinger: groovy, report them on iso.qa.ubuntu.com [16:13] Riddell: I thought there are only iso tests.. I did do-release-upgrade [16:13] but I can do some iso testing later in my vm [16:13] txwikinger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4748 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4749 [17:06] Is 10.10 slated to have KDE 4.5.1 or 4.5.2? iiuc, atm 4.5.2 is only avaialble via PPA ... [17:11] dev001: there's your ansewr [17:11] dev001: there's your answer [17:13] Riddell: sry, what? [17:14] if 4.5.2 is only in a PPA then the answer must be 4.5.1 [17:15] Riddell: I have no idea what decisions if any have been made about official release, as it's not out yet. Hence, my question -- and my understanding "at the moment". [17:24] hmm, maybe I was too impolite [17:51] 2 [17:51] (sorry) [17:52] Riddell: when are the sessions finalized? any dates? [17:53] like ... when do we have a definitive schedule [18:18] shadeslayer: you dont, the schedule is fluid, it changes everyday [18:18] jussi: uhh... isnt that counter-productive? [18:18] we should have one schedule and stick to it [18:18] shadeslayer: not really, things come up... [18:18] shadeslayer: it works pretty well [18:19] hmm [18:19] shadeslayer: the schedule is always up on the monitors, so you never lose track [18:19] ah ok [18:19] and there are monitors every where [18:19] but then theres a chance of missing a session ;( [18:19] ;) [18:19] jussi: oh and i suppose we have wifi right :P [18:20] shadeslayer: well not really, as long as you look at the monitor before every session. [18:20] shadeslayer: of course [18:20] seems rekonq is moving to git.kde.org [18:20] yayy [18:20] jussi: kewl [18:20] shadeslayer: sometimes you have to choose, because 2 you want to go to are at the same time [18:20] aww [18:21] but if there is a conflict and you really need to be in both, they can sometimes move them so it works, hence fluid schedule [18:21] hmm [18:22] jussi: how will you be making calls and stuff from US? [18:22] shadeslayer: skype [18:22] ohk [18:23] jussi: it works for you on Kubuntu? ... my mic doesnt pick up alot of voice... [18:23] i have to lean into my screen to speak :P [18:24] shadeslayer: turn the mic up? [18:24] doesnt work, its at full volume [18:24] otoh it works in gnome just fine [18:25] have you pulse installed or using normal kubuntu [18:25] normal kubuntu [18:25] are you sure, pulse keeps kreeping in on me [18:25] so maybe ill install guh-no-meh @ UDS for some time :D [18:25] lemme check again [18:25] gah [18:25] i haz pulseaudio installed [18:26] http://pastebin.com/GXPbJeLZ [18:26] shadeslayer: sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio [18:26] ;) [18:26] :D [18:28] is there any way you can move the "title bars" to the bottom of the window? could be interesting and I wouldnt mind trying it... [18:30] dont think so [18:41] Tm_T: Any chance to test powerpc final images? [19:21] shadeslayer: Skype works fine for me on Kubuntu. [19:21] jussi: With pulseaudio. [19:21] ScottK: mic input is low here [19:21] also.. it isnt signing in right now -.- [19:22] pulse is evil. never works for me [19:23] jussi: lol... after removing pulse skype says : Microphone : Pulse Audio Server (local) , hahha [19:23] shadeslayer: log out and log in [19:23] ;) [19:24] jussi: as in log out of KDE? [19:26] well [19:26] it still says PA [19:26] *shrug [19:28] did you log out of kde yet? [19:28] cuz uninstalling pulse doesnt make it stop running... [19:28] maybe restart, I dont remember [19:28] yep :) [19:29] ok will restart then [19:31] oooooooooh [19:32] jussi: maco ScottK it works much better without PA [19:33] my only skype related issue happen in webcam-land, not mic-land [19:33] webcam works fine here :D === yofel_ is now known as yofel