[00:00] penguin42, I have Mackie Spike (XD-2), actually it's wroking when I installed system while it was connected, but this time I plugged ext. snd card much later [00:00] penguin42, aplay -l: card 0: XD2 [Mackie XD-2], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] [00:01] defsum: And does it show up as the current output in sound preferences? [00:01] penguin42, Yep [00:01] tmzt_: last night i was upgrading to 10.10 when it powered down in the middle of installing. so i had to use recovery mode to fix it and this reinstalled mysql and everything. at the time it asked me to configure mysql but i figured i could just do it later. now i cant uninstall mysql and ive tried 50 different ways.. none have worked. so this is my last ditch effort to not do a clean install. [00:02] I'm on Maverick Meerkat and i don't have many options for my kmix channels. also, how can i tell if my system uses pulseaudio or alsa and does this make the difference with my limited kmix settings please? [00:02] defsum: Any errors in /var/log/user.log [00:02] penguin42, pulseaudio mixer shows that smth is playing, but actually noone of LEDs on device are lighint, thus it doesn't play [00:02] ok i found that meerkat ships with pulseaudio [00:02] i want more channels in my kmix how do i get that or switch back to alsa so i get more channels please? [00:02] reqem: by recovery mode do you mean root shell? [00:03] by configure do you mean set the root password? [00:03] defsum: hmm so I don't know enough about it to help to be honest, if it's showing up in pulse etc; you could try pasuspender /bin/cat in a window which will just hold pulse off until you ctrl-d it, and then try sending something straight to one of /dev/snd/* [00:03] tmzt_: no i mean legit recovery mode like with the option to repair broken packages [00:03] try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server-5.0 [00:04] tmzt_: ok [00:04] reqem: Do you mean that it powered off during the installation of mysql or the whole of maverick? [00:04] lol @ plow [00:04] you don't need to be in recovery mode to do that, just sudo -s [00:04] penguin42, I took a last part: http://pastebin.com/PXZ9BY2f [00:04] olskolirc: priority=low [00:04] I'm having trouble with sound, it isn't continous, makes noises, and sometimes takes high CPU [00:04] i never seen that command before i was thinking sudio apt-get --purge remove sql [00:04] how to troubleshoot? [00:04] that always worked for me tmzt_ [00:04] defsum: It always moans like that for me on my Intel sound card as well [00:05] you really need Crimsun for this type of question [00:05] penguin42, I've added snd_hda_intel in blacklists to make list simplier [00:05] ok [00:05] defsum: So I'd try suspending pa and seeing if you can get anything out of it without PA first [00:06] tmzt_: how do you troubleshoot to check if the reason a lamp server isnt working is because of mysql or apache? [00:06] penguin42, wait, can't do it such fast) [00:06] reqem: tail -f /var/log/daemon or tail -f /var/log/apache/error.log woudl be a good start [00:07] you might also look at the output of your php pages to see if they can't connect to the data base [00:07] penguin42, how to "send smth straight" from console? sorry, Im new to linux [00:07] or ps aux |grep mysql to see if it's running [00:08] tmzt_: apparently i have neither of those files. the error im getting in the browser is that it just can't connect. [00:08] Hi. Is there a script or utility to backup all UI settings (panels, icons, themes...) before I start messing about deleting panels and changing themes? Or is there a document showing all file locations for all those settings? [00:08] defsum: You should probably check this first https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems [00:08] penguin42, how to send random voice? [00:08] penguin42, ok, I will [00:09] reqem: then I would guess apache isn't running [00:09] or installed [00:09] did you use tasksel? [00:09] defsum: If you do something like cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcmC?D?p you should get something hideous sounding [00:09] penguin42, hope it helps, if not I'll try to talk to Crimsum [00:10] if anyone wants to help, I have a report on alsa-project.org [00:10] penguin42, defsum@dsb:~$ sudo /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcm [00:10] bash: /dev/snd/pcm: Permission denied [00:10] misreckoning, I have some alsa experience and would take a look but no promises because alsa is always hard ;) [00:10] maybe it is due to i7, or on ATI HDMI, or perhaps IRQ... dunno [00:11] tmzt_: not sure. ive tried so many different things lately i cant remember. [00:11] defsum_: sudo doesn't quite work like that [00:11] well, OK :) let me shorten it (the link) [00:11] misreckoning, what is the bug? [00:11] defsum_: Do a sudo -s and then do the cat and > within that shell [00:11] reqem: check dpkg -l |grep apache [00:11] th1: sound is noisy, stops, repeats... not continous [00:11] i'm using ubuntu 10.10 and whenever i try to watch live streaming, the streams never load and when they rarely do it takes a long time. anyone know why? (ex: livestream/justin.tv/livestream) everything's up to date and properly configured(afaik) [00:12] misreckoning, where is the bug report [00:12] misreckoning, or if you don't have one .. some info on your hw [00:12] th1: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b42cc712c02f464490188a51ac3bdc2634429214 [00:12] th1: shortening service too slow right now P [00:12] misreckoning, did it work on 10.04? [00:13] tmzt_: its not recognizing the command [00:13] yes and it even worked on 10.10 until recent updates [00:13] th1: forgot to put your handle in front [00:13] Is there a way to revert to ubuntu default settings regarding themes, icons, panels etc without reinstalling? Is there a backup/restore utility for those settings? [00:13] reqem: dpkg -l |grep apache [00:13] I'm working on a Maverick/powerpc port install. The KDE PPA @ http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-powerpc/ has far fewer releases available that the PPA for arch=amd64, e.g. [00:13] penguin42, http://pastebin.com/mWtFStJy [00:13] misreckoning, does it work with plain alsa without pulseaudio..... got to ask [00:13] Is that a repo *problem*? [00:13] CT1: easy way is delete the config files in your home directory [00:13] th1: dunno, I haven't experimented with that [00:13] tmzt_: ok yup its all installed [00:13] misreckoning, thats the first thing to check [00:14] th1: what do you suggest, that I kill pulse [00:14] becuase its usually a pulse bug [00:14] CT1: if you coudl be specific as to what you want reverted [00:14] defsum_: Yeh, try the ones ending in p - I think c is capture, p is playback [00:14] th1: ah OK [00:14] tmzt_: ii = installed right? [00:14] misreckoning, yes kill pulseaudio and then try playing a file e.g. with mplayer [00:14] reqem: yes, and running? [00:14] with mplayer -ao alsa [00:14] reqem: /etc/init.d/apache2 start [00:14] reqem: then try refreshing the browser [00:15] misreckoning, remember that pulseaudio usually respawns by himself (because he always segfaults ;) [00:15] so make sure he's not running when you try this [00:15] tmzt_: I want my destop to *look* like it does with a fresh install. Where are those config files? I'd like to backup before messing about so I can always revert to something working. [00:15] penguin42, also: root@dsb:~# ls /dev/snd/by-id/ [00:15] usb-Mackie_Designs_Mackie_XD-2-00 [00:15] root@dsb:~# cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/by-id/usb-Mackie_Designs_Mackie_XD-2-00 [00:15] cat: write error: Invalid argument [00:15] th1: aha, OK thanks :) [00:15] tmzt_: i got a permission error [00:16] defsum__: Don't you have some /dev/snd/pcmsomethingp files ? [00:16] penguin42, http://pastebin.com/mWtFStJy [00:16] misreckoning, if it's not clear, I hate pulseaudio with a passion ;) [00:16] penguin42, by-id by-path controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p seq timer [00:16] defsum__: OK go for the pcmC0D0p [00:17] th1: err, well it seems good as a concept to me [00:17] penguin42, I've tried all of them [00:17] tmzt_: http://pastebin.com/GkJpV6Ms [00:17] penguin42, cat: write error: File descriptor in bad state [00:17] misreckoning, excellent concept.. [00:17] th1: anyway, I tried to kill it with pulseaudio --kill but it respawns [00:17] defsum__: Hmm oh yes, it doesn't like me doing that either [00:17] do you know how to edit files as root? [00:17] and change them back again? [00:17] defsum__: Oh that's a shame - that used to be an easy way to debug things [00:18] misreckoning, if yes then edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and set autospawn = no [00:18] tmzt_: how im dumb. i forgot to start as root. [00:18] defsum__: Well I'd try aumix and maybe one of the other alsa tools of some form [00:18] th1: aaah, thanks man, you haz teh knowledge it seems 8) [00:18] as root? [00:18] reqem: netstat -tlp |grep 80 [00:19] penguin42, 2 minutes.. [00:19] tmzt_: i forgot to add sudo before the command [00:19] tmzt_: it's running now [00:19] that doesn't seem like a non-root error, hmm [00:19] yeah it is [00:19] th1: yeah, it works now like a charm 8) [00:19] I didn't even know you could start the init script [00:19] lol me neither [00:19] misreckoning, then file a bug report against pulseaudio ;) [00:19] th1: if you ever come to Serbia you have a beer xD [00:19] not that it'll help [00:20] :P [00:20] anyone know why livestream/ustream/justin.tv and any other streaming service wouldn't work? [00:20] nmd, is this after upgrading? have you remembered to re-enable medibuntu? [00:20] penguin42, what should I do with aumix? [00:21] defsum__: Does it show a sensible looking set of channels? [00:21] it's a clean install. i'll do that now. === ZNC_shookees is now known as shookees [00:21] nmd, ok [00:21] and enable non-free and all that as weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell [00:21] sorry keystick [00:21] should really file a bug against vinagre for that [00:22] penguin42, hmm, gui version termites immideatly, console cmd "aumix" says: aumix: error opening mixer: No such file or directory [00:22] tmzt_: thanks for the help. [00:23] so it works? [00:23] yup [00:23] so the problem was apache wasn't running [00:23] defsum__: Oh that also sucks, that used to work :-( [00:24] penguin42, :( [00:24] defsum__: Try alsamixer [00:24] tmzt_: and my /etc/host file wasnt configured properly. i forgot that got overwritten in the reinstall. [00:24] penguin42, it works fine, but doesn't show mixer itself (it's ok for the most of USB devices) [00:25] * th1 smells a pulseaudio regression [00:25] Hello, how do I add programs in the side panel in Unity 10.10? [00:25] defsum__: OK, so if you have pasuspender /bin/cat running in one terminal and alsamixer running in the other what options can you see on the card? [00:25] penguin42, "This sound device does not have any controls." [00:26] weird [00:26] penguin42, it's running on 1st window, yep: defsum@dsb:~$ pasuspender /bin/cat [00:26] defsum__: I give up then I'm afraid, file a bug [00:26] penguin42, damn it :))) [00:26] defsum__: In alsamixer what does select sound card let you do? [00:26] every new release, and pulseaudio is causing damage [00:27] see misreckoning above === Barridus_ is now known as Barridus [00:27] th1: Hmm not sure if it's any more broken this release [00:27] I'm on Maverick Meerkat and i want more channels in my kmix how do i get that or switch back to alsa so i get more channels please? [00:27] 9.10 was a complete nightmare and 10.04 was more of a bugfix release [00:28] th1 then file a bug [00:28] for pulse that is ;) not saying anything bad about ubuntu as a whole [00:28] filed 2 [00:28] th1, then follow up on it. [00:28] but pulseaudio is always buggy [00:28] penguin42, it gives a choice between (default), Mackie XD-2 (which I need to get working) and "enter device name...", on the first place should also be Intel HDA but I've added it to blacklists in alsa-base directory [00:28] bazhang, I did [00:28] and it works fine on my netbook now on 10.04 [00:28] th1, complaining here wont do it [00:28] th1: went to medibuntu.org and used the "Repository Howto" link. using their command i get an error saying the public key(gpg) is not available. >.< [00:28] defsum__: OK, so if you choose the Mackie what happens? [00:28] just upgrading it to 10.04 as we speak [00:29] nmd, worked for me but you can get by without the repo key [00:29] penguin42, it's chosen by default, nothing: This sound device does not have any controls. (but it's ok for the most of USB external sound cards) [00:29] nmd, it will just print warnings about untrusted source [00:29] defsum__: Dunno - sorry [00:29] penguin42, Thank you, anyway :) [00:30] unable to locate package medibuntu-keyring too. >.< [00:30] nmd did you run it from the command line? [00:30] penguin42, I'll give an another try here tomorrow [00:30] yeah [00:30] i cut/pasted it. [00:30] defsum__: Certainly worth filling the bug [00:30] penguin42, I'm not sure HOW to do it) [00:30] nmd, try running each command individually ie. between the && [00:30] defsum__: That debugging sound page I sent you to pointed to using the ubuntu-bug command [00:31] and see which one gives an error then paste it to pastebin [00:31] penguin42, got it, I'll take a look, thank you [00:31] nmd, like this one http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or http://codepad.org [00:31] Bye all [00:32] bazhang, and just for the record I realize that pulseaudio (or something like it) is good and necessary but I just don't think the execution is particularly good [00:32] since it has caused countless miseries especially for intel audio users [00:33] then again we all need something to hate;) [00:33] how can i make my Fn key raise the sound to the max which is more than 100% ? [00:33] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/LB8H5Cxp it can't find the package. the repository is added though. [00:34] nmd, you miss the previous step of adding the repo [00:35] no, i did that. i only pasted the part that it error'd on. [00:35] :/ [00:35] nmd, paste output of apt-get update and of ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d [00:36] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/FDnWGm4p [00:38] Is maverick considered stable? :-) [00:38] nmd, cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list [00:38] KB1JWQ, yep [00:39] KB1JWQ, it's frozen but it's not a final .. so make your call [00:39] KB1JWQ, heed the warning when you run the upgrade ;) [00:40] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/xpDLf6sh [00:40] nmd, it looks ok [00:40] yeah i have no idea what's going on. :/ [00:41] nmd, I think I read a bug about not being able to install unauthenticated packages [00:42] try following the "individual packages" guide from medibuntu.org and add the packages you need e.g mplayer and w32codecs [00:43] i can watch the streams. they just take roughly 5-10 minutes to load versus 2-5 seconds. just aggravating heh. [00:43] yeah you need a better plugin [00:44] !party [00:44] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Maverick release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/ [00:44] nmd, have you got adobe-flashplugin installed [00:45] Oh rigght [00:45] when is 10.10 out anyway? [00:45] 10.10 [00:46] jjcm, 10/10/10 ;) [00:46] I'm aware bazhang [00:46] oh [00:46] works in all languages [00:46] figures th1 [00:46] jjcm, hmm? [00:46] 11/11/11 is going to be bigger though ;) [00:46] yeah i do. youtube works great, flash everywhere works great. it's just livestreaming through flash that's terrible. [00:47] "Want to make Ubuntu 10.10 a 10 out of 10?" wow that's cheezy [00:47] 10.10 should have been released a month ago.. 9/10 is more realistic [00:48] 11.10 is more likely to be 10/10 ;) [00:48] but then windows is 7/10 tops, so who cares [00:49] nmd, are you sure its using the proper flash plugin? [00:50] because sometimes, it uses the open source thing by default and that sucks for some sites but other sites have fixed themselves up so it works ok [00:51] nmd, try this link http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html [00:51] hmm, holding a key doesn't send multiple keystrokes, even though the setting is checked in keyboard settings [00:51] Typh, is it a dell usb keyboard? [00:52] th1: depends what for - for "normal" users I'd still rank windows as having a better desktop experience. [00:52] turning it on and off fixed it. I guess false alarm? [00:52] nah, thinkpad w510 keyboard [00:52] yeah it's using adobe flash 10.1 [00:52] th1: for server use, well... yea no contest there with linux winning. [00:52] windows servers are just embarassing [00:52] jjcm, for gamers yes, for mainstream who want to pay for all their individual apps yes.. for parents, no, for netbooks, no [00:53] jjcm, but its a bit o/t :p [00:53] For netbooks yea probably, but for the technologically illiterate [00:53] meh [00:53] I dont recommend it for them yet [00:53] Harder to break? Yea. [00:53] jjcm, for the illiterate windows offers enough ways to fuck up [00:53] Harder to get someone to fix? Also yea. [00:54] while with ubuntu you can help them from remote :) [00:54] !language | th1 [00:54] th1: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [00:54] ftw [00:54] Yea but if I'm off in antarctica for six months and unable to get internet [00:54] and I know that my mom will find a way to break her computer someway somehow [00:54] I'm not going to give her ubuntu while I'm gone. [00:55] anyone here know ow to fix the nbidia black screen problem in [00:55] 10.10? [00:55] If I cant ssh in, I also can't expect her to find other help on her own [00:55] jjcm: Going to see the penguins? [00:55] at least with ubuntu she is less likely to get it broken by visiting a random website that gave her a virus that then stole her credit card and infected all her programs and defaced all her facebook friends' profiles [00:55] penguin42: Maybe, waiting to hear back from Raytheon [00:55] penguin42: They're hiring right now for antarcic positions [00:56] th1: Yep, true. But when her sound breaks (even if it's hardware), it'll be hard to find a shop to fix it for her [00:56] jjcm, not true, small local independent shops usually give far better service than big chains and are run by geeks [00:57] th1: yes, but she doesn't know that [00:57] jjcm, which is why you/we have to educate her [00:57] Exactly - but my point is that it requires that level of education [00:57] yes [00:57] thus, harder to use out of the box [00:57] but its not tech education [00:57] im going back to Lucid meerkat is a resource hog and i googled it and im not the only one and its impossible to get all the channels you want in kmix with the shipped default pulseaudio AND there is no /media/cdrom or cdrom0 it switched to /dev/sr0 and CAN NOT be mounted nothing in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [00:57] its philosophy ;) [00:58] Still though, it's another step [00:58] yeah [00:58] i might even just go back to debian! [00:58] Plus it binds me to them [00:58] but win 7 is going to boil her children in icelandic lava [00:58] any future issue they have [00:58] will be one that I'm responsible for [00:58] I dont want to have to deal with that [00:58] with debian supported plasma but its kde 3x [00:58] They're rich, make them pay for their support, [00:58] jjcm, you're lucky because I already had to deal with that when my dad was running win xp;) [00:58] wish* [00:59] so now its better with him running ubuntu [00:59] at least I can ssh in and fix his breakage [00:59] I give it another 3.5 years [00:59] jjcm, less :) [00:59] I have high hopes for ubuntu 13.04 [00:59] unless microsoft sues Linux [01:00] Who would they sue? [01:00] I think 12.04 will be a milestone to remember [01:00] Canonical? [01:00] Linus? [01:00] yes [01:00] they already tried with sco and now oracle is doing their bidding [01:00] Meh [01:00] when they are pressed enough they will try everything [01:00] Ubuntu would continue on even if canonical died a bloody and horrible death [01:00] yeah [01:01] but it's not going to happen unless MS feel death cramps [01:01] You can't cut the head off a snake if it's a hydra. [01:01] because they know the outcry will be almost as bad as losing in a fair ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccompetition [01:01] well [01:01] they can make it suck to try to make money on it [01:01] I dont see them losing any time soon - they still have the US government under their belt [01:02] with patent lawsuits etc [01:02] yes and linux has enough powerful users to ward them off [01:02] but it will be a monumental battle... [01:02] Patent lawsuits dont always cross borders :D [01:02] "the OS wars of the 2010's" [01:02] maybe someone can shed some light on this, using 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu , OpenGL version string: 1.4 , can't seem to get direct rendering going... (yes I have the dri module set in the xorg.conf) [01:03] I dont see linux gaining a significant market share until 2020 [01:03] glxinfo | grep direct [01:03] direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set) [01:03] jjcm, I think you are wrong on that [01:03] its already significant [01:03] 5%? [01:03] (of the desktop market, that is) [01:03] up from 0.1% [01:03] (I'm not talking server) [01:03] th1: early adopters and tech heads [01:04] yeah but look at the growth rate [01:04] it's the soccer mom market that's going to be hard [01:05] jjcm: Cell phones, media servers, netbooks, etc === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [01:05] don't worry, here in a few years, all pc's sold in stores are going to be Google OS [01:06] phones will all be android.. apple will probably still have a corner market, like they do now [01:06] Ken8521, at least google os is ubuntu ;) [01:06] android may be running the linux kernel, but android phones are not free [01:06] right [01:06] google wants to free the OS not enslave it [01:06] tensorpudding, the phone isn't, but the software is.. just like Ubuntu is free, but the laptops/pc's you put them on isn't [01:06] they have no interest in providing the desktop as long as they can control it ;) [01:07] the software is not necessarily free [01:08] Ken8521: And businesses will still have microsoft [01:08] jjcm, only till everything they use is not compatible w/ their customers [01:08] the carriers add so much shit to the phones, and arbitrarily restrict your freedoms over the software [01:08] dont get me wrong, I'd love to see MS die a fiery death [01:08] they'll hav eno choice but to switch [01:08] but I dont see it happening in the near future [01:08] telling you guys, 10yrs, tops... Google is gonna run most everything. [01:08] anyway, there's the lawsuit [01:09] oracle vs google? [01:09] jjcm, the thing you forget is that microsoft is a public company.. as soon as they start losing critical mass they go downhill very very fast [01:09] yeah [01:09] yup [01:09] th1: A public company that's backed by the US government [01:09] Nothing dies quickly in government. [01:09] google's case rests on the patents not being enforceable, but what will happen if the judge rules otherwise [01:09] a apanhar o pouca-terra para caminha [01:09] jjcm, the us government is a very small customer in the grand scheme of things [01:09] jjcm, well, as long as barak isn't running the govt, the people won't be investing in companies that are bankrupt [01:10] th1: their largest single customer though. [01:10] jjcm, doesn't matter, the govt can switch just as easily as any other company... yeah change comes slower in the Govt, but... [01:10] jjcm, that will change if they look unsustainable [01:10] nobody backs a lame horse [01:10] Ken8521: The USG has contracts through 2018 with MS [01:10] even the US government [01:10] when they are completely incompatible w/ their associates, subcontractors, etc.. they'll have to switch [01:11] in any case, android might become numerically dominant but it's still playing second-fiddle to apple in terms of mindshare and profitshare [01:11] jjcm, irrelevant.. govt's buy out contracts all the time [01:11] and i sure don't see that changing [01:11] th1: I dont think you've ever worked in government. [01:11] Ken8521, I suspect MS will start interoperating at that point ;) [01:11] if I have 2 hard disks, doesn't that mean I have two MBRs? [01:11] th1, oh i doubt that [01:11] if each has an operating system on it? [01:11] WXZ, technically, i'd guess so.. but the computer boots the MBR, of the master drive [01:11] or the first drive in the boot sequence [01:12] why do you ask? [01:12] ok, so I can install windows on my non master partition [01:12] and it won't overwrite the MBR [01:12] no, it will [01:12] :| [01:12] anyway I can install grub after installing windows? [01:13] WXZ, if it bothers you that badly, download mbrfix, backup your current mbr. [01:13] Yep [01:13] WXZ, of course.. from a live CD. [01:13] I ran the Karmic Live CD, it didn't have an option to install grub [01:14] WXZ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [01:14] that's the *Karmic* CD though, I have the maverick one too [01:14] WXZ, first, what Ubuntu OS is on your hard drive. [01:14] WXZ, is maverick on the hard drive? [01:14] yes [01:14] hold on [01:14] That link will work [01:14] WXZ, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [01:15] follow the instructions to restore grub2 [01:15] ok [01:15] Acidphase, i don't think that works for grub2(i'm almost positive it doesn't actually) [01:15] I used it myself [01:15] it works [01:15] =P [01:15] Acidphase, for grub2? [01:15] yep [01:16] grub-install --version [01:16] grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3 [01:16]