/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/08/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

PendulumAlanBell: you've never spoken to me?00:07
Pendulumbah, scrollback :(00:08
Tm_Thi00:14
doctormoHello Tm_T01:18
jcastroawesome03:50
jcastroafter nearly taking my life while I tried to get him the cat carrier03:50
jcastrohe just walks into it right now03:50
jcastroat almost 11pm03:51
akgranerhahaha03:52
nigelbjcastro: fun day03:54
duanedesigndoctormo: really cool community connectivity graph06:13
nigelbmorning folks06:15
nigelbI discovered that 4 hours of sleep isn't enough06:15
duanedesign:)06:21
duanedesignnigelb: i was just reading scrollback ;)06:21
duanedesignnigelb: what is git-impact-graph06:22
nigelbduanedesign: trying to draw a pretty graph of all the code changes in a project06:34
nigelbduanedesign: it now generates the right data06:36
nigelbI'll do the css stuff today perhaps06:36
duanedesignmorning ara07:05
nigelbmorning ara :)07:06
JFosigh*07:06
JFo<-insomnia again07:06
duanedesignugh :\07:06
JFosecond time this week07:06
* nigelb hugs JFo 07:07
JFo:)07:07
dpmgood morning everyone!07:42
nigelbmorning kim0, dpm :)07:44
nigelb2 days go people!07:44
dpm\o/07:44
dpmgood morning nigelb, hey kim007:44
AlanBellPendulum: not sufficiently it would appear07:49
duanedesignfor those who were not here when doctormo posted his cool graph http://divajutta.com/doctormo/report/ubuntu-community-team.svg07:57
kim0dpm: nigelb hey guys08:12
dpmheya :)08:13
jussiit would take a while to generate, but Id be interested in seeing that graph done for #ubuntu for a time :P08:15
macono dholbach today?08:19
nigelbjussi: are you crazy!08:23
jussinigelb: yup :D08:23
nigelbjussi: hah08:24
duanedesignjussi: those stat counters can be good ways to quantify irc contributions. Maybe not the graph exactly, but the data used to make it08:27
jussiduanedesign: exactly ;)08:27
duanedesignwe have one we use in #ubuntu-beginners08:28
duanedesigni think nigelb is on that one too :)08:28
dholbachgood morning!08:28
duanedesigndholbach: good morning08:29
dholbachhey duanedesign08:29
macooh there you are08:29
duanedesigndholbach: your ears must of been burning. Someone just asked where you where.08:29
dholbachears? burning?08:29
duanedesignhaha. /me wondered if the saying would translate to an international audience08:30
duanedesigndholbach: Said of somebody who was not present but was the topic of discussion08:31
dholbachI see - I'll try to remember it08:31
kim0For me .. you get the hiccups :)08:35
duanedesign:)08:37
nigelbkim0: I've heard that for sneezing08:37
nigelbmorning dholbach :)08:37
dholbachhi nigelb, hey kim008:37
kim0dholbach: howdy08:37
kim0dholbach: You will sneeze, get the hiccups and ears burning08:38
dholbachok, I'm glad I can say "none of the above" :)08:38
nigelbwhat time does millbank office people start working?08:38
jussidoes anyone know how much extra nights cost in the hotel?08:39
nigelban arm and a leg :p08:39
jussino, really.08:40
dholbachnigelb: I guess around 9ish, but last I heard nobody gets killed for turning up earlier or later08:40
nigelbdholbach: lol, ok :)08:40
nigelbthank you08:40
nigelbjussi: you're going? :)08:40
jussiyes!08:40
nigelbdang08:41
nigelbmissing more people :/08:41
dpmhey dholbach!08:45
dholbachhola dpm, hey jono08:45
jussijono: hey. do you know how much a night at the hotel costs?08:45
kim0jono: morning08:45
macojussi: being as its a uds, its sure to be far more than reasonable08:46
macothe hotels are always too nice to be within the affordable range of mere mortals08:47
jonojussi, hey, ask Marianna08:48
jonodholbach, hey08:48
jonohey kim008:48
dholbachjussi: you could just check on http://www.thecaribeorlando.com/caribe-royale/08:48
dholbachQueen Non-Smoking$169.99, one night one person08:49
duanedesignjussi: i thought it was 16008:49
duanedesignoop there you go :)08:49
dholbachjust a matter of looking it up08:50
jussithank you peoples.08:50
dpmmorning jono08:50
czajkowskiAloha09:07
nigelbgood morning czajkowski :)09:07
kim0czajkowski: morning09:21
nigelbyayayay, I got kicked by partybot.  First person for mav release I suppose09:22
AlanBellwho is the contact point for the paid apps in the software centre thingie?09:26
duanedesignmorning czajkowski09:39
popeyMorning all09:55
popeyI'm planning on a bunch of screencasts (aimed at my mum), if anyone has any suggestions... do add them to the list.. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Screencasts09:55
* nigelb adds10:09
popeyta10:11
duanedesignmorning popey10:25
popeylo10:25
AlanBellpopey: fancy doing an introduction to vtiger screencast?10:28
popeyI have offered to your business partner :)10:29
AlanBellI had best talk to him then!10:29
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doctormojussi: Hey are you looking for UDS accommodation?10:55
jussidoctormo: not really10:55
popeydoctormo: have you seen piespy?13:03
popeyhttp://popey.com/~alan/piespy/ubuntu-uk/ubuntu-uk-current.png13:03
doctormopopey: nope13:04
popeyhttp://www.jibble.org/piespy/13:04
doctormopopey: How does it work, do you know?13:04
popeyit sits in your channel monitoring communication then draws pretty pictures based on who is talking to who13:05
popeyand who talks at the same time13:05
popeyso me saying your nick triggers a relationship13:05
* dpm lunch13:05
PiciEver try running it against #ubuntu?13:05
popeyno13:06
popeybots aren't allowed are they?13:06
popeyi have piespy on my vps, happy to point it at #ubuntu if i was allowed13:07
PiciOh, I didn't realize it was a bot. Thought it just analyzed logs.13:07
popeyits a silent bot, just sits there and watches conversation13:08
nigelbisn't it possible to get permission for bots from ircc?13:08
nigelb(if its a totally legit reason, etc)13:08
* popey shrugs13:09
czajkowskiafternoon13:11
duanedesigno/13:12
nigelb~0~13:13
popeybe fun to run it in #u-r-p :)13:21
nigelbpopey: haha13:21
nigelbyour vps might just die witht the sheer amount of text going to fill it up in the next 24 hours13:22
jussipopey: it would just be a big hub around partybot... :D13:23
popeyheh13:23
PiciThe rules are a bit fuzzy for non-talking bots.  And fuzzier still because this is like a log bot, but doesn't really log things.13:23
popeyit doesnt log13:23
popeywell, it might, but I dont have it set to :)13:23
popeybut I see what you're saying, the images are some form of log13:23
jussiI think we have "discretion" as part of the deal13:23
jussishould be smple to make a decision on it, shoot a quick email to us ;)13:24
popeyto whom?13:26
popeyirc-council@ ?13:27
* popey mails13:35
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dholbachakgraner: I got the re: interview mail like 15 times now :)14:09
dholbachakgraner: not sure if it's a problem on my end or on yours :)14:09
nigelbdholbach: its a conspiracy to fill your inbox *evil laugh*14:16
dpmdholbach, akgraner, I got several as well. Not that I mind, just mentioning it. Amber, are you trying to sabotage my inbox 0 plans? :P14:29
dholbach:-)14:33
jcastrodholbach: I am channeling you this morning15:35
dholbachjcastro: you're doing what? :)15:35
jcastrohttp://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance15:35
jcastrothere, fixed all those problems15:35
jcastronext!15:35
jcastrosee what I did there?15:36
dholbachhaha, awesome15:36
* dholbach hugs jcastro15:38
jcastrosee, there's no councils or mailing lists in the diagrams. :)15:39
czajkowskilol15:39
* czajkowski hugs jcastro 15:39
dholbachjcastro: you could fit "or make paultag do it" somewhere in there15:40
jcastroyeah I had a bunch like15:40
jcastro"see if popey will do it instead"15:40
czajkowskito be fair paultag fecking rocks for getting weird stuff done15:40
jcastrobut it took away from the message15:40
jcastroczajkowski: that's because in ohio I told him to not care about what anyone thinks and go do shit15:41
jcastrothis is basically a graph of paultag's question to me a while back15:41
czajkowskiaye15:41
czajkowskihe does that15:41
czajkowskiwe have some funky stuff in the loco council thanks to him15:41
czajkowskisome pretty neat reporting stuff15:41
jcastroI'm not saying go bull in a china shop, the idea does need to be awesome first15:41
dholbachspeaking of which15:41
dholbachpaultag: I can't quite remember - weren't you in touch with IS about getting all ~team-council-members people on the team-council-members list semi-automatically?15:41
czajkowskijcastro: got a moment for a quick pm ?15:43
czajkowskiplease15:43
jcastrook15:43
jcastroczajkowski: start typing, I will get caffeine and then respond15:44
jcastrojust my dumb luck, planet picks up my post right after I post it but BEFORE I fix the grammar mistake in the title15:51
jussihehe16:01
jussipopey: mailed you back16:01
nigelbjcastro: it gets updated in a few mins right?16:01
popey\o/16:02
jcastroyeah16:05
dholbachI'm going to call it a day now16:30
dholbachhave a great weekend everyone16:31
* dholbach hugs you all16:31
popeyo/16:31
jcastrowoo, cjohnston, are those the CSS fixes I'm hoping for?16:47
sensegood afternoon17:04
Pendulumhiya sense17:05
sensehi Pendulum17:05
duanedesignafternoon sense17:06
sensehi duanedesign17:06
senseCompletely forgot, today is the last working day before the release of Maverick!17:06
jcastrounless you're working tomorrow and sunday. :p17:07
sensejcastro: I'll be moving home tomorrow, so little change I will. :)17:08
senseTo the wonderful town of Dokkum! :P17:08
senseI'm amazed it's actually a city.17:08
doctormojcastro: I thought councils were set up to deal with deadlocked conflicts.17:09
doctormosense: Who doesn't work every day? Being unemployed means I get to work every day! woo.17:11
sensedoctormo: How great is that!17:12
duanedesigndoctormo: you and me both :)17:13
doctormosense: It's great, but the pay is terrible.17:13
sensejcastro: I reckon you guys won't have much of a weekend this time. :)17:13
jcastrorelease folks won't, but I will take the time to work on my SE questions and answers17:14
jcastrodid you see the new design?17:14
jcastrohttp://meta.ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/377/design-ideas-for-the-final-site17:14
doctormojcastro: So StackExchange has been adopted officially? I thought there was an open source alternative.17:15
jcastroit's not official17:15
jcastroand yes, there's an OSS thing, ubuntu.shapado.net17:15
jcastroer sorry, .com17:16
czajkowskijcastro: nice design17:16
czajkowskiI do liek SE and I get folks now looking there for answers to their questions17:16
czajkowskias I knoe many people get lost in the forums17:16
czajkowski*know17:17
sensejcastro: I did, it looks great. You're sure putting a lot of effort in it. SE seems to be a pretty good platform.17:17
jcastrosense: labor of love of the spare time17:17
jcastroI kind of got addicted to the numbers17:17
jcastrolike a game17:17
sense:)17:17
jcastroonce I started getting achievements it was all over for me17:18
jcastroalso, there is another motive17:18
jcastrohttp://stackexchange.com/sites17:18
jcastrostackoverflow has 358,000 developers on it17:18
czajkowskijcastro: wow17:18
jcastrothere's our target for people for quickly, etc. etc.17:19
senseLooks awesome, that position, already.17:19
czajkowski:D17:19
czajkowskithat is pretty damn brilliant so soon17:19
czajkowskiwell done17:19
sensejcastro: When will the Ubuntu SE get its own logo? :)17:19
jcastrothose 350k people we would never be able to reach if we ran our own thing17:19
czajkowskiyup17:19
jcastrofor the same reason we're on facebook and don't run ububook17:19
jcastro:p17:19
jcastrosense: everything goes final on sunday along with the distro17:19
sensegreat!17:20
senseKeep on the great work on the Ubuntu SE! :)17:20
senseI'm off to diner now!17:20
jcastrocheers17:21
doctormojcastro: Similar thing to what I was talking about with popey yesterday. There is a case for having communities in all areas, but not all areas are good choices for services to recommend for existing community members.17:21
jcastrodoctormo: I did tell debian about shapado and they set up their own17:22
jcastroand people can work on whatever they feel is best. *shrug*17:22
doctormoExamples, I run and will continue to runt he deviantArt ubuntu community, almost 500 members and it's getting a nice community feeling. But I wouldn't recommend deviantArt as a good place to get Ubuntu people involved in making wallpapers or themes.17:22
jcastromy idea with these external communities is this17:23
doctormothe Ubuntu-Art team should probably have it's own cchost or other art site for doing that.17:23
jcastro"I don't know any of that geek stuff, but I do know when I interacted with someone from this ubuntu thing that it was a good experience."17:23
popeyjcastro / jussi / doctormo http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu/ubuntu.ogv  <- social graph in video form :)17:33
jcastrodude that is brilliant17:34
czajkowskipopey: wow17:34
popeyI've got permission to run piespy in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party over the weekend :D17:35
popeyshould make for a fun video next week :)17:35
czajkowskipopey: productive day eh :)17:35
popeyeham17:35
jcastropopey: that sounds like great before-plenary fodder as well17:35
popey:)17:35
* nigelb waves17:36
nigelbpython dojo ftw17:36
duanedesignugh. not having much luck getting my irssi logs into a couchdb w/ a python script...keep getting is not JSON serializable17:39
nigelbduanedesign: you need to write better regular expressiosn :p17:41
paultagAh, dholbach left17:53
jussipopey: I was thinking that maybe, if you like, we could get together and do some sort of little plenary or short talk on irc, and a few related bits and pieces, if you like. ?18:13
akgranerdpm, I only resent to everyone twice??18:15
akgranerI'll take a look18:15
akgranersorry18:15
nigelbpopey: something for free culture showcase?18:16
JFoakgraner, I resent everyone once :)18:19
JFousually that is enough18:19
JFo:P18:20
nigelblol18:20
* JFo suffers from lack of sleep18:21
nigelbthought so18:22
akgranerJFo, well the original one the the reply with the updated link18:23
akgraner:-)18:23
dpmakgraner, no worries. As I said, I don't mind, just mentioning it in case something had gone wrong18:23
akgranerthat's weird seems like it was only you guys that got it a bunch of time :-/  weird18:26
akgranerthanks18:26
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JFoyou just wanted to be sure they saw it akgraner18:34
JFo:)18:34
akgraner:-)18:35
akgranerdoctormo, the news team needs your help :-) do you have a few minutes?18:41
scott-worki noticed the new 'light' theme on wiki.u.c., is there a way to get my table borders back?18:45
akgranerAlanBell, ^^^^18:46
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nigelbjcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/p/JDm/ hahaha19:35
nigelbJFo: ^^19:35
jcastroheh19:35
nigelbhow old is it? :p19:35
jcastroit's from my wedding photo booth19:35
* JFo looks19:35
jcastroso mayish?19:35
nigelbah19:35
JFonice19:36
JFo<- treadmill just came in... man that thing is heavy19:37
nigelbno weights?19:37
nigelbor will you just keep lifting the treadmill? :p19:37
JFoheh, weights come later19:38
nigelbah19:38
JFoI am doing cardio first then weights19:38
nigelb\o/19:38
nigelbok, bed time. later all :)19:42
Pendulumg'night nigelb19:43
AlanBellscott-work: you noticed it in your preferences right, it hasn't been turned on generally?19:45
jcastroJFo: you can always carry the weights ON the treadmill19:48
JFojcastro, true19:49
AlanBellscott-work: I am doing some hacking on that theme and table borders is certainly on the list19:51
jcastroJFo: along with a 75lb rucksack19:54
jcastroand some cement shoes19:54
JFoheh, I have the ruck19:54
PendulumAlanBell: is there a way to have table borders without making them fixed width? (which I think was the concern charlie-tca had with when he increases font size)19:56
AlanBellyes, I want the whole thing more fluid19:57
scott-workAlanBell: yes, i noticed it when i adjusted my preferences to use the 'light' theme20:05
scott-workAlanBell: thank you for your work :)20:05
jcastrohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-1150372920:13
jussijcastro: hehe, I did think about that, but we decided to be "different" ;)20:14
jcastroI wore aubergine at my wedding20:14
jussijcastro: did you see our wedding photos?20:14
jcastrono, link?20:14
jussiin your PM20:15
senseGource is fun if you want to visualise work on a branch. :)20:24
sensehttp://people.ubuntu.com/~sense/ind-app_gource.tga20:36
doctormoakgraner: My gnome is failing all around me, I didn't get your ping.21:02
doctormoHow can I help you with the news team?21:02
pleia2doctormo: if you want to pop on over to #ubuntu-news I can give you the quick rundown (as I understand it, akgraner and popey can give you more details later :))21:04
doctormojcastro: You must know that Ubuntu member leftyfb is getting married on 10/10? when it said Rush my first thought was OMG Mike Rushton is on BBC news! lol21:04
akgranerpleia2, thanks!21:05
jcastrohah awesome21:05
doctormopopey: Your video from before is now a 40421:23
popeyyeah21:25
popeyone mo21:26
akgranerpopey, who will be at UDS who can upload videos on blip?21:26
popeyhttp://popey.com/graphs/21:26
akgranerI mean who besides you can do that21:26
popeyjcastro has the credentials21:27
* akgraner adds that to my notes :-) thank you!21:27
popeynp21:27
jcastroakgraner: I'll make sure you have the creds21:32
akgranerer uh  - thanks  - I think O.o21:33
pleia2hehe21:34
doctormoakgraner: I can upload on blip and will be at uds21:41
jcastroI had to look up what ableism means22:37
jcastrohttp://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance22:37
jcastroanyone have any idea what could be going on here?22:37
doctormojcastro: I can't find the reference22:41
jcastronor me22:41
jcastroI have no idea what this person is talking about22:41
doctormojcastro: He's saying that it's a bit of a cheek for a Canonical person to be talking about "Just do it" when the community has repeatly been ignored and slapped upside the head for trying to engadge and do design.22:42
doctormoJust do it: except if Mark doesn't like it. Is what I think the accusation is.22:43
jcastro...22:43
jcastrohe's talking about the CoC22:44
jcastro"folks have good things to contribute can be denied because their "lifestyle" isn't acceptable."22:44
jcastrothat doesn't have anything to do with design22:44
james_wyou realise this guy is a known troll?22:45
jcastrono22:45
jcastroI have no idea who this person is22:45
doctormojcastro: I'm telling you what he's talking about, it's not the Code of Conduct.22:45
doctormoI've had him on my blog too, we had an uninteresting exchange.22:46
jcastrowell whatever22:48
jcastroif he doesn't like the CoC then I'm not holding a gun to his head22:48
doctormojcastro: If he thinks the code of conduct means you have to listen to everyone, then he's mistaken.22:48
jcastroI hear people say sometimes that other people abuse the CoC22:49
jcastrobut I've not yet seen a single shred of evidence where someone is browbeating someone else with the CoC22:49
JFo:-/22:50
doctormoSome people don't like the CoC since it frowns on being a jerk, but I kinda like that part of it.22:52
akgranerjcastro, just go all spalata on them22:53
akgraner(j/k)22:53
jcastrowell, to be frank I'd rather have people not contribute than think they can act like jerks23:01
jcastroI mean, I police my behavior just like everyone else23:01
jcastroit makes for a better atmosphere23:01
jcastroI mean, other than trying to kill JFo with my bare hands that one time23:02
jcastroj/k23:02
JFoheh23:02
akgraneryou mean there is a jerk side to you - NO!23:02
JFoI deserve it every now and then23:02
akgranerJFo, every now and again  - that's like daily23:03
JFoyeah, that qualifies as every now and again :P23:03
jcastrojust my luck23:03
jcastromy intended to be funny post is now about human rights23:03
akgranerUGH23:03
jcastro... and with that, off to dinner and a movie, ttyall tomorrow23:03
* JFo provided an answer in comment from Randall :)23:06
JFoc ya jcastro23:06
AlanBelloh, Aoirthoir.23:06
AlanBellone of the more verbose regular commenters on blogs on planet Ubuntu23:07
doctormoakgraner: I like jeff, he might be a bit more abrasive that a care bare, but he does fromt ime to time ask fairly insightful and searching questions. He's a good dark knight.23:13
akgranerdoctormo, I don't hate him - and I've had many conversations with him23:13
akgranerhe is just passionately intense in the excitement he shares about his dislike for many things Canonical related...23:14
akgraner(how's that for expressing a negative in a positive manner?)23:15
JFoworks for me23:15
doctormoakgraner: I'll accept that, he's overly critical of Ubuntu in general. But then if you dig around his obvious flaws, there is if not gold then at least bronze down there.23:34
akgraner:-)23:34
pleia2oh gosh, jcastro got Aoirthoired23:43

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