[00:07] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you've never spoken to me?
[00:08] <Pendulum> bah, scrollback :(
[00:14] <Tm_T> hi
[01:18] <doctormo> Hello Tm_T
[03:50] <jcastro> awesome
[03:50] <jcastro> after nearly taking my life while I tried to get him the cat carrier
[03:50] <jcastro> he just walks into it right now
[03:51] <jcastro> at almost 11pm
[03:52] <akgraner> hahaha
[03:54] <nigelb> jcastro: fun day
[06:13] <duanedesign> doctormo: really cool community connectivity graph
[06:15] <nigelb> morning folks
[06:15] <nigelb> I discovered that 4 hours of sleep isn't enough
[06:21] <duanedesign> :)
[06:21] <duanedesign> nigelb: i was just reading scrollback ;)
[06:22] <duanedesign> nigelb: what is git-impact-graph
[06:34] <nigelb> duanedesign: trying to draw a pretty graph of all the code changes in a project
[06:36] <nigelb> duanedesign: it now generates the right data
[06:36] <nigelb> I'll do the css stuff today perhaps
[07:05] <duanedesign> morning ara
[07:06] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[07:06] <JFo> sigh*
[07:06] <JFo> <-insomnia again
[07:06] <duanedesign> ugh :\
[07:06] <JFo> second time this week
[07:07]  * nigelb hugs JFo 
[07:07] <JFo> :)
[07:42] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:44] <nigelb> morning kim0, dpm :)
[07:44] <nigelb> 2 days go people!
[07:44] <dpm> \o/
[07:44] <dpm> good morning nigelb, hey kim0
[07:49] <AlanBell> Pendulum: not sufficiently it would appear
[07:57] <duanedesign> for those who were not here when doctormo posted his cool graph http://divajutta.com/doctormo/report/ubuntu-community-team.svg
[08:12] <kim0> dpm: nigelb hey guys
[08:13] <dpm> heya :)
[08:15] <jussi> it would take a while to generate, but Id be interested in seeing that graph done for #ubuntu for a time :P
[08:19] <maco> no dholbach today?
[08:23] <nigelb> jussi: are you crazy!
[08:23] <jussi> nigelb: yup :D
[08:24] <nigelb> jussi: hah
[08:27] <duanedesign> jussi: those stat counters can be good ways to quantify irc contributions. Maybe not the graph exactly, but the data used to make it
[08:27] <jussi> duanedesign: exactly ;)
[08:28] <duanedesign> we have one we use in #ubuntu-beginners
[08:28] <duanedesign> i think nigelb is on that one too :)
[08:28] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:29] <duanedesign> dholbach: good morning
[08:29] <dholbach> hey duanedesign
[08:29] <maco> oh there you are
[08:29] <duanedesign> dholbach: your ears must of been burning. Someone just asked where you where.
[08:29] <dholbach> ears? burning?
[08:30] <duanedesign> haha. /me wondered if the saying would translate to an international audience
[08:31] <duanedesign> dholbach: Said of somebody who was not present but was the topic of discussion
[08:31] <dholbach> I see - I'll try to remember it
[08:35] <kim0> For me .. you get the hiccups :)
[08:37] <duanedesign> :)
[08:37] <nigelb> kim0: I've heard that for sneezing
[08:37] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[08:37] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hey kim0
[08:37] <kim0> dholbach: howdy
[08:38] <kim0> dholbach: You will sneeze, get the hiccups and ears burning
[08:38] <dholbach> ok, I'm glad I can say "none of the above" :)
[08:38] <nigelb> what time does millbank office people start working?
[08:39] <jussi> does anyone know how much extra nights cost in the hotel?
[08:39] <nigelb> an arm and a leg :p
[08:40] <jussi> no, really.
[08:40] <dholbach> nigelb: I guess around 9ish, but last I heard nobody gets killed for turning up earlier or later
[08:40] <nigelb> dholbach: lol, ok :)
[08:40] <nigelb> thank you
[08:40] <nigelb> jussi: you're going? :)
[08:40] <jussi> yes!
[08:41] <nigelb> dang
[08:41] <nigelb> missing more people :/
[08:45] <dpm> hey dholbach!
[08:45] <dholbach> hola dpm, hey jono
[08:45] <jussi> jono: hey. do you know how much a night at the hotel costs?
[08:45] <kim0> jono: morning
[08:46] <maco> jussi: being as its a uds, its sure to be far more than reasonable
[08:47] <maco> the hotels are always too nice to be within the affordable range of mere mortals
[08:48] <jono> jussi, hey, ask Marianna
[08:48] <jono> dholbach, hey
[08:48] <jono> hey kim0
[08:48] <dholbach> jussi: you could just check on http://www.thecaribeorlando.com/caribe-royale/
[08:49] <dholbach> Queen Non-Smoking	$169.99, one night one person
[08:49] <duanedesign> jussi: i thought it was 160
[08:49] <duanedesign> oop there you go :)
[08:50] <dholbach> just a matter of looking it up
[08:50] <jussi> thank you peoples.
[08:50] <dpm> morning jono
[09:07] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:07] <nigelb> good morning czajkowski :)
[09:21] <kim0> czajkowski: morning
[09:22] <nigelb> yayayay, I got kicked by partybot.  First person for mav release I suppose
[09:26] <AlanBell> who is the contact point for the paid apps in the software centre thingie?
[09:39] <duanedesign> morning czajkowski
[09:55] <popey> Morning all
[09:55] <popey> I'm planning on a bunch of screencasts (aimed at my mum), if anyone has any suggestions... do add them to the list.. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Screencasts
[10:09]  * nigelb adds
[10:11] <popey> ta
[10:25] <duanedesign> morning popey
[10:25] <popey> lo
[10:28] <AlanBell> popey: fancy doing an introduction to vtiger screencast?
[10:29] <popey> I have offered to your business partner :)
[10:29] <AlanBell> I had best talk to him then!
[10:55] <doctormo> jussi: Hey are you looking for UDS accommodation?
[10:55] <jussi> doctormo: not really
[13:03] <popey> doctormo: have you seen piespy?
[13:03] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/piespy/ubuntu-uk/ubuntu-uk-current.png
[13:04] <doctormo> popey: nope
[13:04] <popey> http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
[13:04] <doctormo> popey: How does it work, do you know?
[13:05] <popey> it sits in your channel monitoring communication then draws pretty pictures based on who is talking to who
[13:05] <popey> and who talks at the same time
[13:05] <popey> so me saying your nick triggers a relationship
[13:05]  * dpm lunch
[13:05] <Pici> Ever try running it against #ubuntu?
[13:06] <popey> no
[13:06] <popey> bots aren't allowed are they?
[13:07] <popey> i have piespy on my vps, happy to point it at #ubuntu if i was allowed
[13:07] <Pici> Oh, I didn't realize it was a bot. Thought it just analyzed logs.
[13:08] <popey> its a silent bot, just sits there and watches conversation
[13:08] <nigelb> isn't it possible to get permission for bots from ircc?
[13:08] <nigelb> (if its a totally legit reason, etc)
[13:09]  * popey shrugs
[13:11] <czajkowski> afternoon
[13:12] <duanedesign> o/
[13:13] <nigelb> ~0~
[13:21] <popey> be fun to run it in #u-r-p :)
[13:21] <nigelb> popey: haha
[13:22] <nigelb> your vps might just die witht the sheer amount of text going to fill it up in the next 24 hours
[13:23] <jussi> popey: it would just be a big hub around partybot... :D
[13:23] <popey> heh
[13:23] <Pici> The rules are a bit fuzzy for non-talking bots.  And fuzzier still because this is like a log bot, but doesn't really log things.
[13:23] <popey> it doesnt log
[13:23] <popey> well, it might, but I dont have it set to :)
[13:23] <popey> but I see what you're saying, the images are some form of log
[13:23] <jussi> I think we have "discretion" as part of the deal
[13:24] <jussi> should be smple to make a decision on it, shoot a quick email to us ;)
[13:26] <popey> to whom?
[13:27] <popey> irc-council@ ?
[13:35]  * popey mails
[14:09] <dholbach> akgraner: I got the re: interview mail like 15 times now :)
[14:09] <dholbach> akgraner: not sure if it's a problem on my end or on yours :)
[14:16] <nigelb> dholbach: its a conspiracy to fill your inbox *evil laugh*
[14:29] <dpm> dholbach, akgraner, I got several as well. Not that I mind, just mentioning it. Amber, are you trying to sabotage my inbox 0 plans? :P
[14:33] <dholbach> :-)
[15:35] <jcastro> dholbach: I am channeling you this morning
[15:35] <dholbach> jcastro: you're doing what? :)
[15:35] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance
[15:35] <jcastro> there, fixed all those problems
[15:35] <jcastro> next!
[15:36] <jcastro> see what I did there?
[15:36] <dholbach> haha, awesome
[15:38]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:39] <jcastro> see, there's no councils or mailing lists in the diagrams. :)
[15:39] <czajkowski> lol
[15:39]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[15:40] <dholbach> jcastro: you could fit "or make paultag do it" somewhere in there
[15:40] <jcastro> yeah I had a bunch like
[15:40] <jcastro> "see if popey will do it instead"
[15:40] <czajkowski> to be fair paultag fecking rocks for getting weird stuff done
[15:40] <jcastro> but it took away from the message
[15:41] <jcastro> czajkowski: that's because in ohio I told him to not care about what anyone thinks and go do shit
[15:41] <jcastro> this is basically a graph of paultag's question to me a while back
[15:41] <czajkowski> aye
[15:41] <czajkowski> he does that
[15:41] <czajkowski> we have some funky stuff in the loco council thanks to him
[15:41] <czajkowski> some pretty neat reporting stuff
[15:41] <jcastro> I'm not saying go bull in a china shop, the idea does need to be awesome first
[15:41] <dholbach> speaking of which
[15:41] <dholbach> paultag: I can't quite remember - weren't you in touch with IS about getting all ~team-council-members people on the team-council-members list semi-automatically?
[15:43] <czajkowski> jcastro: got a moment for a quick pm ?
[15:43] <czajkowski> please
[15:43] <jcastro> ok
[15:44] <jcastro> czajkowski: start typing, I will get caffeine and then respond
[15:51] <jcastro> just my dumb luck, planet picks up my post right after I post it but BEFORE I fix the grammar mistake in the title
[16:01] <jussi> hehe
[16:01] <jussi> popey: mailed you back
[16:01] <nigelb> jcastro: it gets updated in a few mins right?
[16:02] <popey> \o/
[16:05] <jcastro> yeah
[16:30] <dholbach> I'm going to call it a day now
[16:31] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:31]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:31] <popey> o/
[16:47] <jcastro> woo, cjohnston, are those the CSS fixes I'm hoping for?
[17:04] <sense> good afternoon
[17:05] <Pendulum> hiya sense
[17:05] <sense> hi Pendulum
[17:06] <duanedesign> afternoon sense
[17:06] <sense> hi duanedesign
[17:06] <sense> Completely forgot, today is the last working day before the release of Maverick!
[17:07] <jcastro> unless you're working tomorrow and sunday. :p
[17:08] <sense> jcastro: I'll be moving home tomorrow, so little change I will. :)
[17:08] <sense> To the wonderful town of Dokkum! :P
[17:08] <sense> I'm amazed it's actually a city.
[17:09] <doctormo> jcastro: I thought councils were set up to deal with deadlocked conflicts.
[17:11] <doctormo> sense: Who doesn't work every day? Being unemployed means I get to work every day! woo.
[17:12] <sense> doctormo: How great is that!
[17:13] <duanedesign> doctormo: you and me both :)
[17:13] <doctormo> sense: It's great, but the pay is terrible.
[17:13] <sense> jcastro: I reckon you guys won't have much of a weekend this time. :)
[17:14] <jcastro> release folks won't, but I will take the time to work on my SE questions and answers
[17:14] <jcastro> did you see the new design?
[17:14] <jcastro> http://meta.ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/377/design-ideas-for-the-final-site
[17:15] <doctormo> jcastro: So StackExchange has been adopted officially? I thought there was an open source alternative.
[17:15] <jcastro> it's not official
[17:15] <jcastro> and yes, there's an OSS thing, ubuntu.shapado.net
[17:16] <jcastro> er sorry, .com
[17:16] <czajkowski> jcastro: nice design
[17:16] <czajkowski> I do liek SE and I get folks now looking there for answers to their questions
[17:16] <czajkowski> as I knoe many people get lost in the forums
[17:17] <czajkowski> *know
[17:17] <sense> jcastro: I did, it looks great. You're sure putting a lot of effort in it. SE seems to be a pretty good platform.
[17:17] <jcastro> sense: labor of love of the spare time
[17:17] <jcastro> I kind of got addicted to the numbers
[17:17] <jcastro> like a game
[17:17] <sense> :)
[17:18] <jcastro> once I started getting achievements it was all over for me
[17:18] <jcastro> also, there is another motive
[17:18] <jcastro> http://stackexchange.com/sites
[17:18] <jcastro> stackoverflow has 358,000 developers on it
[17:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: wow
[17:19] <jcastro> there's our target for people for quickly, etc. etc.
[17:19] <sense> Looks awesome, that position, already.
[17:19] <czajkowski> :D
[17:19] <czajkowski> that is pretty damn brilliant so soon
[17:19] <czajkowski> well done
[17:19] <sense> jcastro: When will the Ubuntu SE get its own logo? :)
[17:19] <jcastro> those 350k people we would never be able to reach if we ran our own thing
[17:19] <czajkowski> yup
[17:19] <jcastro> for the same reason we're on facebook and don't run ububook
[17:19] <jcastro> :p
[17:19] <jcastro> sense: everything goes final on sunday along with the distro
[17:20] <sense> great!
[17:20] <sense> Keep on the great work on the Ubuntu SE! :)
[17:20] <sense> I'm off to diner now!
[17:21] <jcastro> cheers
[17:21] <doctormo> jcastro: Similar thing to what I was talking about with popey yesterday. There is a case for having communities in all areas, but not all areas are good choices for services to recommend for existing community members.
[17:22] <jcastro> doctormo: I did tell debian about shapado and they set up their own
[17:22] <jcastro> and people can work on whatever they feel is best. *shrug*
[17:22] <doctormo> Examples, I run and will continue to runt he deviantArt ubuntu community, almost 500 members and it's getting a nice community feeling. But I wouldn't recommend deviantArt as a good place to get Ubuntu people involved in making wallpapers or themes.
[17:23] <jcastro> my idea with these external communities is this
[17:23] <doctormo> the Ubuntu-Art team should probably have it's own cchost or other art site for doing that.
[17:23] <jcastro> "I don't know any of that geek stuff, but I do know when I interacted with someone from this ubuntu thing that it was a good experience."
[17:33] <popey> jcastro / jussi / doctormo http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu/ubuntu.ogv  <- social graph in video form :)
[17:34] <jcastro> dude that is brilliant
[17:34] <czajkowski> popey: wow
[17:35] <popey> I've got permission to run piespy in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party over the weekend :D
[17:35] <popey> should make for a fun video next week :)
[17:35] <czajkowski> popey: productive day eh :)
[17:35] <popey> eham
[17:35] <jcastro> popey: that sounds like great before-plenary fodder as well
[17:35] <popey> :)
[17:36]  * nigelb waves
[17:36] <nigelb> python dojo ftw
[17:39] <duanedesign> ugh. not having much luck getting my irssi logs into a couchdb w/ a python script...keep getting is not JSON serializable
[17:41] <nigelb> duanedesign: you need to write better regular expressiosn :p
[17:53] <paultag> Ah, dholbach left
[18:13] <jussi> popey: I was thinking that maybe, if you like, we could get together and do some sort of little plenary or short talk on irc, and a few related bits and pieces, if you like. ?
[18:15] <akgraner> dpm, I only resent to everyone twice??
[18:15] <akgraner> I'll take a look
[18:15] <akgraner> sorry
[18:16] <nigelb> popey: something for free culture showcase?
[18:19] <JFo> akgraner, I resent everyone once :)
[18:19] <JFo> usually that is enough
[18:20] <JFo> :P
[18:20] <nigelb> lol
[18:21]  * JFo suffers from lack of sleep
[18:22] <nigelb> thought so
[18:23] <akgraner> JFo, well the original one the the reply with the updated link
[18:23] <akgraner> :-)
[18:23] <dpm> akgraner, no worries. As I said, I don't mind, just mentioning it in case something had gone wrong
[18:26] <akgraner> that's weird seems like it was only you guys that got it a bunch of time :-/  weird
[18:26] <akgraner> thanks
[18:34] <JFo> you just wanted to be sure they saw it akgraner
[18:34] <JFo> :)
[18:35] <akgraner> :-)
[18:41] <akgraner> doctormo, the news team needs your help :-) do you have a few minutes?
[18:45] <scott-work> i noticed the new 'light' theme on wiki.u.c., is there a way to get my table borders back?
[18:46] <akgraner> AlanBell, ^^^^
[19:35] <nigelb> jcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/p/JDm/ hahaha
[19:35] <nigelb> JFo: ^^
[19:35] <jcastro> heh
[19:35] <nigelb> how old is it? :p
[19:35] <jcastro> it's from my wedding photo booth
[19:35]  * JFo looks
[19:35] <jcastro> so mayish?
[19:35] <nigelb> ah
[19:36] <JFo> nice
[19:37] <JFo> <- treadmill just came in... man that thing is heavy
[19:37] <nigelb> no weights?
[19:37] <nigelb> or will you just keep lifting the treadmill? :p
[19:38] <JFo> heh, weights come later
[19:38] <nigelb> ah
[19:38] <JFo> I am doing cardio first then weights
[19:38] <nigelb> \o/
[19:42] <nigelb> ok, bed time. later all :)
[19:43] <Pendulum> g'night nigelb
[19:45] <AlanBell> scott-work: you noticed it in your preferences right, it hasn't been turned on generally?
[19:48] <jcastro> JFo: you can always carry the weights ON the treadmill
[19:49] <JFo> jcastro, true
[19:51] <AlanBell> scott-work: I am doing some hacking on that theme and table borders is certainly on the list
[19:54] <jcastro> JFo: along with a 75lb rucksack
[19:54] <jcastro> and some cement shoes
[19:54] <JFo> heh, I have the ruck
[19:56] <Pendulum> AlanBell: is there a way to have table borders without making them fixed width? (which I think was the concern charlie-tca had with when he increases font size)
[19:57] <AlanBell> yes, I want the whole thing more fluid
[20:05] <scott-work> AlanBell: yes, i noticed it when i adjusted my preferences to use the 'light' theme
[20:05] <scott-work> AlanBell: thank you for your work :)
[20:13] <jcastro> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11503729
[20:14] <jussi> jcastro: hehe, I did think about that, but we decided to be "different" ;)
[20:14] <jcastro> I wore aubergine at my wedding
[20:14] <jussi> jcastro: did you see our wedding photos?
[20:14] <jcastro> no, link?
[20:15] <jussi> in your PM
[20:24] <sense> Gource is fun if you want to visualise work on a branch. :)
[20:36] <sense> http://people.ubuntu.com/~sense/ind-app_gource.tga
[21:02] <doctormo> akgraner: My gnome is failing all around me, I didn't get your ping.
[21:02] <doctormo> How can I help you with the news team?
[21:04] <pleia2> doctormo: if you want to pop on over to #ubuntu-news I can give you the quick rundown (as I understand it, akgraner and popey can give you more details later :))
[21:04] <doctormo> jcastro: You must know that Ubuntu member leftyfb is getting married on 10/10? when it said Rush my first thought was OMG Mike Rushton is on BBC news! lol
[21:05] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[21:05] <jcastro> hah awesome
[21:23] <doctormo> popey: Your video from before is now a 404
[21:25] <popey> yeah
[21:26] <popey> one mo
[21:26] <akgraner> popey, who will be at UDS who can upload videos on blip?
[21:26] <popey> http://popey.com/graphs/
[21:26] <akgraner> I mean who besides you can do that
[21:27] <popey> jcastro has the credentials
[21:27]  * akgraner adds that to my notes :-)  thank you!
[21:27] <popey> np
[21:32] <jcastro> akgraner: I'll make sure you have the creds
[21:33] <akgraner> er uh  - thanks  - I think O.o
[21:34] <pleia2> hehe
[21:41] <doctormo> akgraner: I can upload on blip and will be at uds
[22:37] <jcastro> I had to look up what ableism means
[22:37] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance
[22:37] <jcastro> anyone have any idea what could be going on here?
[22:41] <doctormo> jcastro: I can't find the reference
[22:41] <jcastro> nor me
[22:41] <jcastro> I have no idea what this person is talking about
[22:42] <doctormo> jcastro: He's saying that it's a bit of a cheek for a Canonical person to be talking about "Just do it" when the community has repeatly been ignored and slapped upside the head for trying to engadge and do design.
[22:43] <doctormo> Just do it: except if Mark doesn't like it. Is what I think the accusation is.
[22:43] <jcastro> ...
[22:44] <jcastro> he's talking about the CoC
[22:44] <jcastro> "folks have good things to contribute can be denied because their "lifestyle" isn't acceptable."
[22:44] <jcastro> that doesn't have anything to do with design
[22:45] <james_w> you realise this guy is a known troll?
[22:45] <jcastro> no
[22:45] <jcastro> I have no idea who this person is
[22:45] <doctormo> jcastro: I'm telling you what he's talking about, it's not the Code of Conduct.
[22:46] <doctormo> I've had him on my blog too, we had an uninteresting exchange.
[22:48] <jcastro> well whatever
[22:48] <jcastro> if he doesn't like the CoC then I'm not holding a gun to his head
[22:48] <doctormo> jcastro: If he thinks the code of conduct means you have to listen to everyone, then he's mistaken.
[22:49] <jcastro> I hear people say sometimes that other people abuse the CoC
[22:49] <jcastro> but I've not yet seen a single shred of evidence where someone is browbeating someone else with the CoC
[22:50] <JFo> :-/
[22:52] <doctormo> Some people don't like the CoC since it frowns on being a jerk, but I kinda like that part of it.
[22:53] <akgraner> jcastro, just go all spalata on them
[22:53] <akgraner> (j/k)
[23:01] <jcastro> well, to be frank I'd rather have people not contribute than think they can act like jerks
[23:01] <jcastro> I mean, I police my behavior just like everyone else
[23:01] <jcastro> it makes for a better atmosphere
[23:02] <jcastro> I mean, other than trying to kill JFo with my bare hands that one time
[23:02] <jcastro> j/k
[23:02] <JFo> heh
[23:02] <akgraner> you mean there is a jerk side to you - NO!
[23:02] <JFo> I deserve it every now and then
[23:03] <akgraner> JFo, every now and again  - that's like daily
[23:03] <JFo> yeah, that qualifies as every now and again :P
[23:03] <jcastro> just my luck
[23:03] <jcastro> my intended to be funny post is now about human rights
[23:03] <akgraner> UGH
[23:03] <jcastro> ... and with that, off to dinner and a movie, ttyall tomorrow
[23:06]  * JFo provided an answer in comment from Randall :)
[23:06] <JFo> c ya jcastro
[23:06] <AlanBell> oh, Aoirthoir.
[23:07] <AlanBell> one of the more verbose regular commenters on blogs on planet Ubuntu
[23:13] <doctormo> akgraner: I like jeff, he might be a bit more abrasive that a care bare, but he does fromt ime to time ask fairly insightful and searching questions. He's a good dark knight.
[23:13] <akgraner> doctormo, I don't hate him - and I've had many conversations with him
[23:14] <akgraner> he is just passionately intense in the excitement he shares about his dislike for many things Canonical related...
[23:15] <akgraner> (how's that for expressing a negative in a positive manner?)
[23:15] <JFo> works for me
[23:34] <doctormo> akgraner: I'll accept that, he's overly critical of Ubuntu in general. But then if you dig around his obvious flaws, there is if not gold then at least bronze down there.
[23:34] <akgraner> :-)
[23:43] <pleia2> oh gosh, jcastro got Aoirthoired