[00:07] AlanBell: you've never spoken to me? [00:08] bah, scrollback :( [00:14] hi [01:18] Hello Tm_T [03:50] awesome [03:50] after nearly taking my life while I tried to get him the cat carrier [03:50] he just walks into it right now [03:51] at almost 11pm [03:52] hahaha [03:54] jcastro: fun day [06:13] doctormo: really cool community connectivity graph [06:15] morning folks [06:15] I discovered that 4 hours of sleep isn't enough [06:21] :) [06:21] nigelb: i was just reading scrollback ;) [06:22] nigelb: what is git-impact-graph [06:34] duanedesign: trying to draw a pretty graph of all the code changes in a project [06:36] duanedesign: it now generates the right data [06:36] I'll do the css stuff today perhaps [07:05] morning ara [07:06] morning ara :) [07:06] sigh* [07:06] <-insomnia again [07:06] ugh :\ [07:06] second time this week [07:07] * nigelb hugs JFo [07:07] :) [07:42] good morning everyone! [07:44] morning kim0, dpm :) [07:44] 2 days go people! [07:44] \o/ [07:44] good morning nigelb, hey kim0 [07:49] Pendulum: not sufficiently it would appear [07:57] for those who were not here when doctormo posted his cool graph http://divajutta.com/doctormo/report/ubuntu-community-team.svg [08:12] dpm: nigelb hey guys [08:13] heya :) [08:15] it would take a while to generate, but Id be interested in seeing that graph done for #ubuntu for a time :P [08:19] no dholbach today? [08:23] jussi: are you crazy! [08:23] nigelb: yup :D [08:24] jussi: hah [08:27] jussi: those stat counters can be good ways to quantify irc contributions. Maybe not the graph exactly, but the data used to make it [08:27] duanedesign: exactly ;) [08:28] we have one we use in #ubuntu-beginners [08:28] i think nigelb is on that one too :) [08:28] good morning! [08:29] dholbach: good morning [08:29] hey duanedesign [08:29] oh there you are [08:29] dholbach: your ears must of been burning. Someone just asked where you where. [08:29] ears? burning? [08:30] haha. /me wondered if the saying would translate to an international audience [08:31] dholbach: Said of somebody who was not present but was the topic of discussion [08:31] I see - I'll try to remember it [08:35] For me .. you get the hiccups :) [08:37] :) [08:37] kim0: I've heard that for sneezing [08:37] morning dholbach :) [08:37] hi nigelb, hey kim0 [08:37] dholbach: howdy [08:38] dholbach: You will sneeze, get the hiccups and ears burning [08:38] ok, I'm glad I can say "none of the above" :) [08:38] what time does millbank office people start working? [08:39] does anyone know how much extra nights cost in the hotel? [08:39] an arm and a leg :p [08:40] no, really. [08:40] nigelb: I guess around 9ish, but last I heard nobody gets killed for turning up earlier or later [08:40] dholbach: lol, ok :) [08:40] thank you [08:40] jussi: you're going? :) [08:40] yes! [08:41] dang [08:41] missing more people :/ [08:45] hey dholbach! [08:45] hola dpm, hey jono [08:45] jono: hey. do you know how much a night at the hotel costs? [08:45] jono: morning [08:46] jussi: being as its a uds, its sure to be far more than reasonable [08:47] the hotels are always too nice to be within the affordable range of mere mortals [08:48] jussi, hey, ask Marianna [08:48] dholbach, hey [08:48] hey kim0 [08:48] jussi: you could just check on http://www.thecaribeorlando.com/caribe-royale/ [08:49] Queen Non-Smoking $169.99, one night one person [08:49] jussi: i thought it was 160 [08:49] oop there you go :) [08:50] just a matter of looking it up [08:50] thank you peoples. [08:50] morning jono [09:07] Aloha [09:07] good morning czajkowski :) [09:21] czajkowski: morning [09:22] yayayay, I got kicked by partybot. First person for mav release I suppose [09:26] who is the contact point for the paid apps in the software centre thingie? [09:39] morning czajkowski [09:55] Morning all [09:55] I'm planning on a bunch of screencasts (aimed at my mum), if anyone has any suggestions... do add them to the list.. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Screencasts [10:09] * nigelb adds [10:11] ta [10:25] morning popey [10:25] lo [10:28] popey: fancy doing an introduction to vtiger screencast? [10:29] I have offered to your business partner :) [10:29] I had best talk to him then! === ara__ is now known as ara [10:55] jussi: Hey are you looking for UDS accommodation? [10:55] doctormo: not really [13:03] doctormo: have you seen piespy? [13:03] http://popey.com/~alan/piespy/ubuntu-uk/ubuntu-uk-current.png [13:04] popey: nope [13:04] http://www.jibble.org/piespy/ [13:04] popey: How does it work, do you know? [13:05] it sits in your channel monitoring communication then draws pretty pictures based on who is talking to who [13:05] and who talks at the same time [13:05] so me saying your nick triggers a relationship [13:05] * dpm lunch [13:05] Ever try running it against #ubuntu? [13:06] no [13:06] bots aren't allowed are they? [13:07] i have piespy on my vps, happy to point it at #ubuntu if i was allowed [13:07] Oh, I didn't realize it was a bot. Thought it just analyzed logs. [13:08] its a silent bot, just sits there and watches conversation [13:08] isn't it possible to get permission for bots from ircc? [13:08] (if its a totally legit reason, etc) [13:09] * popey shrugs [13:11] afternoon [13:12] o/ [13:13] ~0~ [13:21] be fun to run it in #u-r-p :) [13:21] popey: haha [13:22] your vps might just die witht the sheer amount of text going to fill it up in the next 24 hours [13:23] popey: it would just be a big hub around partybot... :D [13:23] heh [13:23] The rules are a bit fuzzy for non-talking bots. And fuzzier still because this is like a log bot, but doesn't really log things. [13:23] it doesnt log [13:23] well, it might, but I dont have it set to :) [13:23] but I see what you're saying, the images are some form of log [13:23] I think we have "discretion" as part of the deal [13:24] should be smple to make a decision on it, shoot a quick email to us ;) [13:26] to whom? [13:27] irc-council@ ? [13:35] * popey mails === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:09] akgraner: I got the re: interview mail like 15 times now :) [14:09] akgraner: not sure if it's a problem on my end or on yours :) [14:16] dholbach: its a conspiracy to fill your inbox *evil laugh* [14:29] dholbach, akgraner, I got several as well. Not that I mind, just mentioning it. Amber, are you trying to sabotage my inbox 0 plans? :P [14:33] :-) [15:35] dholbach: I am channeling you this morning [15:35] jcastro: you're doing what? :) [15:35] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance [15:35] there, fixed all those problems [15:35] next! [15:36] see what I did there? [15:36] haha, awesome [15:38] * dholbach hugs jcastro [15:39] see, there's no councils or mailing lists in the diagrams. :) [15:39] lol [15:39] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [15:40] jcastro: you could fit "or make paultag do it" somewhere in there [15:40] yeah I had a bunch like [15:40] "see if popey will do it instead" [15:40] to be fair paultag fecking rocks for getting weird stuff done [15:40] but it took away from the message [15:41] czajkowski: that's because in ohio I told him to not care about what anyone thinks and go do shit [15:41] this is basically a graph of paultag's question to me a while back [15:41] aye [15:41] he does that [15:41] we have some funky stuff in the loco council thanks to him [15:41] some pretty neat reporting stuff [15:41] I'm not saying go bull in a china shop, the idea does need to be awesome first [15:41] speaking of which [15:41] paultag: I can't quite remember - weren't you in touch with IS about getting all ~team-council-members people on the team-council-members list semi-automatically? [15:43] jcastro: got a moment for a quick pm ? [15:43] please [15:43] ok [15:44] czajkowski: start typing, I will get caffeine and then respond [15:51] just my dumb luck, planet picks up my post right after I post it but BEFORE I fix the grammar mistake in the title [16:01] hehe [16:01] popey: mailed you back [16:01] jcastro: it gets updated in a few mins right? [16:02] \o/ [16:05] yeah [16:30] I'm going to call it a day now [16:31] have a great weekend everyone [16:31] * dholbach hugs you all [16:31] o/ [16:47] woo, cjohnston, are those the CSS fixes I'm hoping for? [17:04] good afternoon [17:05] hiya sense [17:05] hi Pendulum [17:06] afternoon sense [17:06] hi duanedesign [17:06] Completely forgot, today is the last working day before the release of Maverick! [17:07] unless you're working tomorrow and sunday. :p [17:08] jcastro: I'll be moving home tomorrow, so little change I will. :) [17:08] To the wonderful town of Dokkum! :P [17:08] I'm amazed it's actually a city. [17:09] jcastro: I thought councils were set up to deal with deadlocked conflicts. [17:11] sense: Who doesn't work every day? Being unemployed means I get to work every day! woo. [17:12] doctormo: How great is that! [17:13] doctormo: you and me both :) [17:13] sense: It's great, but the pay is terrible. [17:13] jcastro: I reckon you guys won't have much of a weekend this time. :) [17:14] release folks won't, but I will take the time to work on my SE questions and answers [17:14] did you see the new design? [17:14] http://meta.ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/377/design-ideas-for-the-final-site [17:15] jcastro: So StackExchange has been adopted officially? I thought there was an open source alternative. [17:15] it's not official [17:15] and yes, there's an OSS thing, ubuntu.shapado.net [17:16] er sorry, .com [17:16] jcastro: nice design [17:16] I do liek SE and I get folks now looking there for answers to their questions [17:16] as I knoe many people get lost in the forums [17:17] *know [17:17] jcastro: I did, it looks great. You're sure putting a lot of effort in it. SE seems to be a pretty good platform. [17:17] sense: labor of love of the spare time [17:17] I kind of got addicted to the numbers [17:17] like a game [17:17] :) [17:18] once I started getting achievements it was all over for me [17:18] also, there is another motive [17:18] http://stackexchange.com/sites [17:18] stackoverflow has 358,000 developers on it [17:18] jcastro: wow [17:19] there's our target for people for quickly, etc. etc. [17:19] Looks awesome, that position, already. [17:19] :D [17:19] that is pretty damn brilliant so soon [17:19] well done [17:19] jcastro: When will the Ubuntu SE get its own logo? :) [17:19] those 350k people we would never be able to reach if we ran our own thing [17:19] yup [17:19] for the same reason we're on facebook and don't run ububook [17:19] :p [17:19] sense: everything goes final on sunday along with the distro [17:20] great! [17:20] Keep on the great work on the Ubuntu SE! :) [17:20] I'm off to diner now! [17:21] cheers [17:21] jcastro: Similar thing to what I was talking about with popey yesterday. There is a case for having communities in all areas, but not all areas are good choices for services to recommend for existing community members. [17:22] doctormo: I did tell debian about shapado and they set up their own [17:22] and people can work on whatever they feel is best. *shrug* [17:22] Examples, I run and will continue to runt he deviantArt ubuntu community, almost 500 members and it's getting a nice community feeling. But I wouldn't recommend deviantArt as a good place to get Ubuntu people involved in making wallpapers or themes. [17:23] my idea with these external communities is this [17:23] the Ubuntu-Art team should probably have it's own cchost or other art site for doing that. [17:23] "I don't know any of that geek stuff, but I do know when I interacted with someone from this ubuntu thing that it was a good experience." [17:33] jcastro / jussi / doctormo http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu/ubuntu.ogv <- social graph in video form :) [17:34] dude that is brilliant [17:34] popey: wow [17:35] I've got permission to run piespy in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party over the weekend :D [17:35] should make for a fun video next week :) [17:35] popey: productive day eh :) [17:35] eham [17:35] popey: that sounds like great before-plenary fodder as well [17:35] :) [17:36] * nigelb waves [17:36] python dojo ftw [17:39] ugh. not having much luck getting my irssi logs into a couchdb w/ a python script...keep getting is not JSON serializable [17:41] duanedesign: you need to write better regular expressiosn :p [17:53] Ah, dholbach left [18:13] popey: I was thinking that maybe, if you like, we could get together and do some sort of little plenary or short talk on irc, and a few related bits and pieces, if you like. ? [18:15] dpm, I only resent to everyone twice?? [18:15] I'll take a look [18:15] sorry [18:16] popey: something for free culture showcase? [18:19] akgraner, I resent everyone once :) [18:19] usually that is enough [18:20] :P [18:20] lol [18:21] * JFo suffers from lack of sleep [18:22] thought so [18:23] JFo, well the original one the the reply with the updated link [18:23] :-) [18:23] akgraner, no worries. As I said, I don't mind, just mentioning it in case something had gone wrong [18:26] that's weird seems like it was only you guys that got it a bunch of time :-/ weird [18:26] thanks === ara__ is now known as ara [18:34] you just wanted to be sure they saw it akgraner [18:34] :) [18:35] :-) [18:41] doctormo, the news team needs your help :-) do you have a few minutes? [18:45] i noticed the new 'light' theme on wiki.u.c., is there a way to get my table borders back? [18:46] AlanBell, ^^^^ === ara__ is now known as ara [19:35] jcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/p/JDm/ hahaha [19:35] JFo: ^^ [19:35] heh [19:35] how old is it? :p [19:35] it's from my wedding photo booth [19:35] * JFo looks [19:35] so mayish? [19:35] ah [19:36] nice [19:37] <- treadmill just came in... man that thing is heavy [19:37] no weights? [19:37] or will you just keep lifting the treadmill? :p [19:38] heh, weights come later [19:38] ah [19:38] I am doing cardio first then weights [19:38] \o/ [19:42] ok, bed time. later all :) [19:43] g'night nigelb [19:45] scott-work: you noticed it in your preferences right, it hasn't been turned on generally? [19:48] JFo: you can always carry the weights ON the treadmill [19:49] jcastro, true [19:51] scott-work: I am doing some hacking on that theme and table borders is certainly on the list [19:54] JFo: along with a 75lb rucksack [19:54] and some cement shoes [19:54] heh, I have the ruck [19:56] AlanBell: is there a way to have table borders without making them fixed width? (which I think was the concern charlie-tca had with when he increases font size) [19:57] yes, I want the whole thing more fluid [20:05] AlanBell: yes, i noticed it when i adjusted my preferences to use the 'light' theme [20:05] AlanBell: thank you for your work :) [20:13] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11503729 [20:14] jcastro: hehe, I did think about that, but we decided to be "different" ;) [20:14] I wore aubergine at my wedding [20:14] jcastro: did you see our wedding photos? [20:14] no, link? [20:15] in your PM [20:24] Gource is fun if you want to visualise work on a branch. :) [20:36] http://people.ubuntu.com/~sense/ind-app_gource.tga [21:02] akgraner: My gnome is failing all around me, I didn't get your ping. [21:02] How can I help you with the news team? [21:04] doctormo: if you want to pop on over to #ubuntu-news I can give you the quick rundown (as I understand it, akgraner and popey can give you more details later :)) [21:04] jcastro: You must know that Ubuntu member leftyfb is getting married on 10/10? when it said Rush my first thought was OMG Mike Rushton is on BBC news! lol [21:05] pleia2, thanks! [21:05] hah awesome [21:23] popey: Your video from before is now a 404 [21:25] yeah [21:26] one mo [21:26] popey, who will be at UDS who can upload videos on blip? [21:26] http://popey.com/graphs/ [21:26] I mean who besides you can do that [21:27] jcastro has the credentials [21:27] * akgraner adds that to my notes :-) thank you! [21:27] np [21:32] akgraner: I'll make sure you have the creds [21:33] er uh - thanks - I think O.o [21:34] hehe [21:41] akgraner: I can upload on blip and will be at uds [22:37] I had to look up what ableism means [22:37] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance [22:37] anyone have any idea what could be going on here? [22:41] jcastro: I can't find the reference [22:41] nor me [22:41] I have no idea what this person is talking about [22:42] jcastro: He's saying that it's a bit of a cheek for a Canonical person to be talking about "Just do it" when the community has repeatly been ignored and slapped upside the head for trying to engadge and do design. [22:43] Just do it: except if Mark doesn't like it. Is what I think the accusation is. [22:43] ... [22:44] he's talking about the CoC [22:44] "folks have good things to contribute can be denied because their "lifestyle" isn't acceptable." [22:44] that doesn't have anything to do with design [22:45] you realise this guy is a known troll? [22:45] no [22:45] I have no idea who this person is [22:45] jcastro: I'm telling you what he's talking about, it's not the Code of Conduct. [22:46] I've had him on my blog too, we had an uninteresting exchange. [22:48] well whatever [22:48] if he doesn't like the CoC then I'm not holding a gun to his head [22:48] jcastro: If he thinks the code of conduct means you have to listen to everyone, then he's mistaken. [22:49] I hear people say sometimes that other people abuse the CoC [22:49] but I've not yet seen a single shred of evidence where someone is browbeating someone else with the CoC [22:50] :-/ [22:52] Some people don't like the CoC since it frowns on being a jerk, but I kinda like that part of it. [22:53] jcastro, just go all spalata on them [22:53] (j/k) [23:01] well, to be frank I'd rather have people not contribute than think they can act like jerks [23:01] I mean, I police my behavior just like everyone else [23:01] it makes for a better atmosphere [23:02] I mean, other than trying to kill JFo with my bare hands that one time [23:02] j/k [23:02] heh [23:02] you mean there is a jerk side to you - NO! [23:02] I deserve it every now and then [23:03] JFo, every now and again - that's like daily [23:03] yeah, that qualifies as every now and again :P [23:03] just my luck [23:03] my intended to be funny post is now about human rights [23:03] UGH [23:03] ... and with that, off to dinner and a movie, ttyall tomorrow [23:06] * JFo provided an answer in comment from Randall :) [23:06] c ya jcastro [23:06] oh, Aoirthoir. [23:07] one of the more verbose regular commenters on blogs on planet Ubuntu [23:13] akgraner: I like jeff, he might be a bit more abrasive that a care bare, but he does fromt ime to time ask fairly insightful and searching questions. He's a good dark knight. [23:13] doctormo, I don't hate him - and I've had many conversations with him [23:14] he is just passionately intense in the excitement he shares about his dislike for many things Canonical related... [23:15] (how's that for expressing a negative in a positive manner?) [23:15] works for me [23:34] akgraner: I'll accept that, he's overly critical of Ubuntu in general. But then if you dig around his obvious flaws, there is if not gold then at least bronze down there. [23:34] :-) [23:43] oh gosh, jcastro got Aoirthoired