[04:55] <DPic> hello
[04:59] <DPic> i'm working on my next Ubuntu Post-install guide, and was looking for some help making pdf's and making it easy for people to translate
[05:20] <nisshh> DPic, hey
[05:21] <nisshh> DPic, godbyk would be the guy you want to talk to
[05:24] <godbyk> DPic: We're using LaTeX to generate the PDFs and po4a to handle the translation end of things.
[05:35] <DPic> would a program like LyX do well?
[05:48] <godbyk> DPic: It could. I can export to LaTeX and po4a could take the translation work from there.
[05:49] <godbyk> DPic: I haven't used LyX too much myself, though, so there may be shortfalls that I'm unaware of.
[05:50] <DPic> i'm not very familiar with lyx either actually. what would be a good place for me to author the post where it can be converted well?
[05:52] <godbyk> DPic: Could you rephrase the question?  (I didn't follow the 'author the post' part.)
[05:53] <DPic> sorry, i mean using what application should i write this guide so that it can be posted to my blog in html, converted to pdf as well, and easily translated
[05:55] <godbyk> DPic: Ah, good question.  I'm don't have a really good answer for you.  There are plenty of ways to convert from html to tex, but it usually involves some tweaking to make the PDF look good.
[05:55] <godbyk> (HTML doesn't really provide as many typographic niceties as one may want.)
[05:57] <DPic> how long would it take to convert a fairly large guide from html to tex?
[05:58] <DPic> like this: http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-post-install-guide-what-to.html
[05:59] <godbyk> The bulk of the work could be done with a script, if the html is structured nicely.
[05:59] <godbyk> If that's the completed guide, I could take a whack at it for you.
[05:59] <DPic> it's blogger, so god knows what kind of mess it creates
[05:59] <godbyk> Heh.. good point.
[05:59] <DPic> that's the previous one
[06:00] <godbyk> Ah, gotcha.
[06:00] <DPic> i'm baout to start one for maverick
[06:00] <DPic> i tried using lyx before, but it didn't make much sense to me
[06:00] <godbyk> I'd recommend that your screenshots be pretty high-resolution so that they print well.
[06:01] <godbyk> It takes a bit of getting used to, as LyX isn't really a WYSIWYG program.
[06:01] <godbyk> It can be a little snarky at times, too.
[06:01] <DPic> hm, how can i increase the resolution without just making the windows smaller?
[06:02] <DPic> i mean, if i am just capturing a window of a particular size in pixels, the resolution of my screen won't help that
[06:02] <godbyk> DPic: Right. I would just use the full-sized screenshots in the PDF instead of thumbnail versions (like what you have on the web page).
[06:03] <DPic> so, different screenshots for the webpage and for the pdf?
[06:03] <godbyk> So http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtyHEChBKZw/S9oaGZeAWwI/AAAAAAAAf7o/-xaffs2limY/s1600/Screenshot.png instead of http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtyHEChBKZw/S9oaGZeAWwI/AAAAAAAAf7o/-xaffs2limY/s640/Screenshot.png.
[06:03] <godbyk> The same screenshots can be used.  Just not the scaled-down thumbnail versions.
[06:04] <DPic> oh right, but what i mean is that some screenshots are just of menus which are a fixed size in pixels
[06:04] <DPic> they do not get scaled down
[06:04] <DPic> but are still small
[06:04] <godbyk> Oh, yeah, those are fine.
[06:04] <DPic> okie doke
[10:05] <DPic> godbyk: ah, another issue is that the size of my post was previously too big to be shared on google reader, and this one will likely be even bigger
[10:05] <DPic> i'm not sure of a good way to host it as a static page
[10:05] <DPic> i suppose i could post it on my other domain, libreops.com
[10:05] <DPic> which i haven't used yet
[15:34] <popey> Hows the manual coming along?
[15:43] <nisshh> popey, i think thats a 'it's just fine' :)
[20:17] <zleap> i takeit there will be another manual for 10.10 and further manuals for 10.04
[20:23] <dutchie> zleap: there will be a manual
[20:23] <zleap> cool
[20:23] <dutchie> it may well not end up being released this sunday
[20:23] <zleap> well aftrer sunday
[23:38] <ChrisWoollard> goodnight all.
[23:39] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: g'night! thanks for the updates to the manual!
[23:39] <ChrisWoollard> I thought that as i had some time I had better do something, as nobody else had ;)
[23:40] <godbyk> good plan. :-)
[23:40] <ChrisWoollard> The worst thing is that I think the screenshots need to be looked at / updated.
[23:41] <ChrisWoollard> And quickshot isn't that simple.
[23:41] <godbyk> yeah, they do.
[23:41] <godbyk> I don't know where we're at with quickshot right now.
[23:42] <DPic> libreopswould be bad because i actually pay for hosting
[23:42] <DPic> hmmm
[23:42] <ChrisWoollard> Last time I tried to get my heard around it, it kept crashing
[23:42] <DPic> static pages on blogger are shit-- you're only allowed ten of them
[23:42] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: What time do you have at the moment for manual updates?
[23:43] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: not too much at the moment. I have to work on, well, work stuff. :-)
[23:43] <godbyk> I'm going to try to tweak some of the design parts of the manual soon.
[23:43] <ChrisWoollard> So much for the release.
[23:43] <godbyk> but I don't think I'll have much time to write material.
[23:44] <godbyk> I think the release will probably not happen on 10.10.10.
[23:44] <godbyk> Given the lack of activity.
[23:44] <ChrisWoollard> I think I am the only one that has commited in weeks.
[23:45] <ChrisWoollard> and even then, that isn't much
[23:45] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I think you're right.
[23:46] <godbyk> I think point, I figure we may as well wait for the release to come out, then put a bunch of effort into going through the manual page by page and ensuring that the text reflects the latest updates.
[23:46] <ChrisWoollard> That is what I started to do.
[23:47] <ChrisWoollard> I have done the prologue and I am half way through installation.
[23:47] <ChrisWoollard> I have even tested what it says. Hense the amount of updates.
[23:49] <ChrisWoollard> maybe next week we should do a nice motivational speech to the mailing list to get support.
[23:50] <ChrisWoollard> I think screenshots will be a problem though. Not many people know / understand quickshot.
[23:50] <godbyk> I don't think screenshots will be too much of a problem if quickshot is up and running.
[23:51] <godbyk> one person could run through and do all the screenshots once quickshot is running. it's pretty simple.
[23:52] <godbyk> Weird. Power just went off and came back on.
[23:52] <godbyk> Yay, UPS.
[23:52] <godbyk> Too bad my router and network switches aren't on one.
[23:52] <godbyk> (I should get another for the network stuff.)
[23:54] <ChrisWoollard> anyway. I will talk to you tomorrow / sunday. Maybe I can devise a plan / motivational e-mail for the list to get us support. :)
[23:55] <godbyk> Sounds good. See ya, ChrisWoollard!
[23:55] <ChrisWoollard> goodnight