[00:00] woo hoo [00:00] ohi! [00:00] #startmeeting [00:00] Meeting started at 23:00. The chair is akgraner. [00:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:01] so who is here for the meeting? [00:01] o/ [00:01] oh and welcome to the news team meeting :-) [00:01] o/ [00:01] o/ [00:02] First let me apologize for not having a formal agenda [00:02] [ACTION] Forumlate an agenda for the next meeting ;) [00:02] :-) [00:03] we have a page for that - I just forgot to add to it :-/ Fail on my part [00:03] So here is the link to the new ubuntu-news site - http://ubuntu-news.org/ [00:04] [link] - http://ubuntu-news.org/ [00:04] LINK received: - http://ubuntu-news.org/ [00:04] [topic] discuss new "fridge" site [00:04] New Topic: discuss new "fridge" site [00:04] thoughts [00:05] there is still some tweaking to be done - but the goal is to go live on Sunday with the new release [00:05] thanks to popey the old Fridge content has been added [00:05] Nick Ali will be moving the image files over tomorrow [00:06] and I'll be cleaning up the right hand side of the page with all the links [00:06] I'm only here for a minute, but is there anything else that needs doing for the migration? [00:06] looks good :) [00:07] nope - only adding the images to the new site [00:07] so they aren't pulling from the old one [00:07] everything says posted by "admin" - is that how they will all show up no matter whose fridge account is used? [00:07] pleia2: That is for the migrated posts [00:07] nope [00:07] haha my countdown [00:07] pleia2: Normal posts will show up as being from the appropriate user [00:07] nods [00:07] looks good akgraner [00:07] cool [00:08] we can change owner of posts too [00:08] thats just how they came in imported, sorry [00:08] I'll be emailing the Fridge editors list to see who still wants admin on the new site [00:08] it's looking very good on opera mini [00:08] Moiso: nice! [00:08] hmm, categories seems broken, it looks like everything uses "tags" but there is one "loco" category? [00:08] hmm [00:09] and blogging about people having the ability to submit original content to the fridge now [00:09] hmmm [00:09] actually, everything is in the loco category [00:10] DOH! [00:10] Well.. [00:10] thats part of the import it looks.. [00:10] so what needs to be the action item on that? [00:10] the quick fix is to rename the loco category to 'news' [00:10] yeah [00:10] i can look at that [00:10] [action] popey to fix loco category to news catergory [00:10] ACTION received: popey to fix loco category to news catergory [00:10] should we even bother listing the "Categories" thing on the side bar if there is only one category? [00:11] eek, sorry I got distracted [00:11] done :) [00:11] I was hoping to have some more categories once new posts are added to this site [00:11] don't you think we will need them? or will tags be fine? [00:11] tags seem to be doing the job [00:12] using tags and categories confuses my small brain :) [00:12] categories are good if you want feeds separated [00:12] i dont think you can have tag based feeds [00:12] so if people only want to follow loco news... /category/loco/feed in their feedreader [00:12] they should read all the news damnit! [00:12] yeah what popey said... [00:13] well, if it was clear what we should use a category for and what we should use a tag for, I think it's ok [00:13] thats the only reason I can think of [00:13] I've never really used tags [00:13] separating content on different rss feeds [00:13] e.g. the podcast uses categories _only_ to separate the mp3 and ogg feeds [00:13] we use tags otherwise [00:13] tags are nice for adding lots of meta [00:14] yeah [00:14] you don't want to add something to 100 categories [00:14] +100 [00:14] to we need to update wikis with when to use tags and when to use categories [00:14] adding as many tags as you want is usually harmless, and makes it easier to google and find [00:15] how does one add to the loco calendar? and can we add those directions to the calendar page? [00:15] oh, nm, on it's own page it has directions [00:15] I need to blog about that - I think nhandler updated the page on how to do that [00:15] yeah, he did :) [00:15] I was just waiting until the site was live to tell people about it [00:16] * pleia2 nods [00:16] GOod! [00:16] I'm in time for the meeting [00:16] since this is a news site, for the LoCo Teams link, is the wiki link correct - or loco directory? [00:17] So is there anything that you think needs to be removed or added besides the derivative distributions [00:17] pleia2, probable not - all those links need to be verified and tested before Sunday [00:17] ok [00:17] dang it I can't spell tonight [00:17] akgraner: can you add a couple of actions, 1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site [00:18] gotcha [00:18] we're missing the giant "SUBMIT NEWS" button :) [00:18] [action] Nick Ali to 1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site [00:18] ACTION received: Nick Ali to 1) need an akismet key (from a wordpress.com account maybe), and 2) someone needs to setup google analytics on a new google account and configure the site [00:18] one of the great things that omgubuntu does is make it dead simple to submit news [00:19] [action] add submit news button [00:19] ACTION received: add submit news button [00:19] pleia2, where do want these submission to go to [00:19] maybe the -news-team mailing list? [00:19] one of the reasons people don't submit is b/c they don't want it to go to the mailing list [00:20] for some reason people hate submitting stories to the list :-( [00:20] well maybe when they click "submit news" they can be shown a link to the mailing list, or they can submit it via the form on the fridge editors page [00:21] oh good idea [00:21] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge/+contactuser [00:21] they have to be logged into LP [00:21] comments will be turned on as well [00:21] but I don't think that's a horrible issue [00:22] unfortunately when you go to +contactuser w/o being logged in it doesn't prompt you to log in :( [00:22] well you have to use open id to log in I believe [00:23] you dont have to [00:23] you can, but you dont have to [00:23] ahh ok [00:24] anyway, just some thoughts, old fridge always bugged me with it's non-simple/non-obvious way of submitting news [00:24] so we need to verify that all submissions are moderated and reviewed before hitting the front page of the site [00:24] pleia2, I agree [00:25] pleia2, do you have time to add a button? [00:25] no, sorry :( [00:25] no worries [00:25] * pleia2 flies out on saturday morning [00:25] * popey is looking at it now [00:26] ahh that's right sorry I forgot [00:26] popey thanks [00:27] ok so any other thoughts [00:27] on the Fridge as it is right now [00:27] oh yes it's wordpress [00:27] so it has feeds by tags :) [00:27] well ubuntu-news as it is right now [00:27] what's going to be in the about page? [00:28] I need to move content about the site and team over [00:28] http://ubuntu-news.org/ - see top right [00:28] LINK received: http://ubuntu-news.org/ - see top right [00:28] "Add News" [00:28] its customisable, but that was just a quick test [00:28] it submits for approval in a queue [00:28] oh, neat [00:28] doesn't have to be _there_ of course :) [00:28] cool [00:29] just a test thats all :) [00:29] maybe a pretty button that goes to a full page that has those fields (so it's easier to type in) [00:30] pleia2, do you think martin would make us a killer button [00:30] I hope so :) [00:30] and Ubuntu News "that was easy" button :-) [00:30] none of us have such mad skillz [00:30] hehe [00:31] [action] ask martin owens to help create a submit news button [00:31] ACTION received: ask martin owens to help create a submit news button [00:31] pleia2, great idea - popey do you know how to do that? [00:32] yes [00:32] akgraner: can we make the RSS link a bit more prominent? [00:32] I'd get martin to give the whole site the once-over tbh [00:32] excellent [00:32] I'll remove that little submission box for now [00:32] just wanted to show its possible [00:33] :) [00:33] pleia2, I am sure there is a way - just got find it :-) [00:34] so google analytics is in place [00:34] have moved rss to the top [00:34] needs a big fat icon though [00:34] yeah [00:34] yep [00:35] List of things to ask Martin is growing :-) [00:35] Also we are going to give UWN it's own page so there is one click from the rss feed for it and you get the whole content [00:36] but that's not pressing atm [00:36] so any other suggestions? thoughts? comments? [00:37] great work to all the people who worked on it :) [00:38] thanks- I'll send out thank you's on Sunday from the whole team. [00:39] So the plan is to roll this out on Sunday with the new release.. [00:39] any objections? [00:40] so all the "offical" stuff rolls out together [00:41] alrighty then [00:41] [topic] Ubuntu Weekly newsletter [00:41] New Topic: Ubuntu Weekly newsletter [00:41] how many people have looked at the wiki pages with the new light theme [00:42] not me :\ [00:42] UWN looks aweful with the new theme [00:42] awful even [00:43] which is one of the reason for giving UWN it's own area on the Fridge [00:43] the layout is still being worked on and suggestions are welcome [00:43] we'll still have the wiki page as some people love reading it from there [00:43] but - we need a prettier version [00:44] * zkriesse 's ears perk up at that word.....wiki.... [00:45] yep it looks outdated, even more with the new news site been so great [00:45] also I am working on a survey to go out with issue 213 which was due for Monday but as you can see that just didn't happen - but I'll get 213 tomorrow with the survey and 214 will be back on schedule [00:45] oh and everyone welcom Moiso he is the newest volunteer to the team :-) Thanks Moiso!!! [00:46] yay! [00:46] Tnx [00:47] and people are missing getting it on Sunday [00:48] but unless we can get everything in place on Saturday then Sunday won't work - I can't ask anyone to give up every weekend [00:49] thoughts? [00:49] crickets... [00:50] alrighty then [00:51] no comments questions thoughts on UWN? [00:51] anything else from anyone? before we end the meeting? [00:53] Is there a link to the news site from ubuntu home? [00:53] I'll add it to the News team wiki [00:53] Moiso, do you mean Ubuntu.com? [00:54] or something else? [00:55] Yep, it's were people heads to [00:55] we can request it [00:55] [action] request ubuntu-news link be added to Ubuntu.com [00:55] ACTION received: request ubuntu-news link be added to Ubuntu.com [00:55] ok so do you all want to keep it the fridge or Call it Ubuntu News [00:56] people tell me "the fridge" confuses them - I am just asking to see what you all think [00:56] I'll add this question to the survey as well [00:56] I'm quite fond of fridge historically, but it's not obvious to newcomers [00:57] yeeeea like me [00:57] nods [00:58] I was trying to find a way to use them both [00:59] I mean people just google ubuntu news, it could be in some for of meta tag [00:59] if we can find a way to use both, that'd be nice :) [01:00] Ubuntu News: (something Fridge) [01:00] [action] tagline for new site using fridge and news [01:00] ACTION received: tagline for new site using fridge and news [01:01] anything else or thoughts on anything before we end? [01:01] well anything fridge or UWN related [01:02] Oh I know - after UDS I wanted to do weekly training sessions on how to produce and publish UWN - so think about what you would like to know and when would be good times for people [01:02] cool [01:03] motion to adjourn or does someone have anything else [01:04] Next meeting November 4th - I'll send out a doodle poll to find out the best times again now that we have new people [01:04] thanks everyone! You rock! [01:04] #endmeeting [01:04] Meeting finished at 00:04. [01:04] whew! [01:05] thanks akgraner :) [01:05] you're welcome [01:05] again - sorry about the slack agenda for this meeting [01:06] tnx to all of you keep up the good work [01:07] keep up the good work people [01:07] Moiso, I hope you will enjoy being on the team [01:07] :-) [01:10] I'll for sure [01:10] Bye [01:10] Moiso, bye :-) thanks for attending [03:09] akgraner: Sorry for missing the meeting [03:09] nhandler, no worries - so was tonight your concert? [03:10] akgraner: Yeah. It was the chorus concert, but they recruited about 8 brass players to play along with them for the final piece. [03:11] great! I did the final alterations on the color guard uniforms tonight [03:11] 21 of them :-) [16:09] akgraner: hey, got a question for you on the redirect for the fridge [16:09] The IS team hasn't said "no" but they have wondered if you want a blind redirect [16:09] vs. maybe creating an interstital page that says, "the fridge has changed, now it's …" [16:10] (copy and pasted from my other ping in #ubuntu-website) [16:13] Also, IS says that a lot of the site visitors are htting the rss feed, so whatever is done it may be a good plan to redirect to the new feed [16:23] can we get a mod-rewrite? [16:23] also note that the rss feed at the top left of old fridge actually uses feedburner [16:24] whoever set that up can point feedburner at the new feed url [16:27] * newz2000 wonders if he did that [16:28] ooh, it was me [16:28] but how could the feed be so popular on the fridge then, it should only be a few hits a day [16:29] Not everyone is using the feedburner feed [16:34] here's the feed stats: http://paste.ubuntu.com/508865/ [16:36] updating feedburner will not affect those subscribed using these feeds [16:36] (keep in mind that this is less than one day's worth of numbers) [17:55] planet pulls from fridge [17:56] however that goes direct [17:56] that needs fixing [17:56] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/planetubuntu/feed [17:56] is where planet gets its fridge news from [17:57] some of those are specific to releases, e.g. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/57/0/feed is the jaunty feed [17:58] i would point _all_ of them at the main http://ubuntu-news.org/feed/ url myself [17:58] thats only a few lines of mod-rewrite and you're done [17:59] imo [17:59] :) [17:59] .76 [17:59] bah :) [18:15] newz2000, hey [18:15] sorry had to run to my kids school [18:16] nick has the new rss feed set-up now [18:17] also who set up the ubuntunews twitter feed as well [18:17] nick thought he had access but he doesn't [18:22] newz2000, I was just thinking blind re-direct [18:27] also can someone add the new rss feed to the planet [19:43] I suggest updating the feedburner feed and then submitting that to planet [19:44] I don't know who did the twitter stuff, it wasn't me [19:48] newz2000, ahh ok will do [21:05] hello [21:05] oh good, akgraner is around :) [21:05] yep [21:05] doctormo: secret new fridge http://ubuntu-news.org/ [21:06] we need you to look over the site :-) [21:06] and give some thoughts [21:06] we need a Submit news button [21:06] something that stands out - yet goes with the site [21:07] and a new logo -:-) we aren't going with sub-zero but need something like Ubuntu News on The Fridge or something [21:08] oh, I like "Ubuntu News on The Fridge" [21:08] me too [21:08] I keep coming back to that [21:09] keeps "The Fridge" element for nostalgia and uses news for those who are confused by what the Fridge means [21:09] * pleia2 nods [21:09] and associates news and fridge for people [21:10] so hopefully Ubuntu News and The Fridge will mean the same in people's minds [21:10] doctormo, is that too tall of an order? [21:10] oh and we go live on Sunday :-) [21:11] akgraner: Working on it. [21:11] I think I'm going to need to send doctormo a christmas card stuffed with cash for all the work I've asked him to do this year :) [21:11] doctormo, you rock!!! thank you! [21:11] pleia2, I was thinking beers at UDS :-) [21:11] hehe [21:12] pleia2: I'm happy to help, akgraner: Make that a good sweet wine, hard liquor or just a good non-alcoholic drink. [21:12] :-) we can arrange that! [21:22] of course one reason for the high number of hits on the rss feed is that twitter.com/ubuntunews grabs it [21:23] akgraner, pleia2: http://imagebin.ca/view/SEPFfMm.html [21:23] oh I like it :-) [21:23] nice :) [21:24] Also available in square [21:25] I like the rounded edge - but what do you think pleia2 (or anyone else) [21:25] I think rounded is good [21:25] makes it just different enough to stand out without looking tacky :-) [21:27] http://imagebin.ca/view/2I4aldnB.html [21:27] I like that too, but the rounded one even better [21:28] I like rounded better [21:29] OK [21:40] here's a thing [21:41] ubuntu-news is (allegedly) "official" news isnt it? [21:41] This isn't what you asked for: http://imagebin.ca/view/zRmaKO.html [21:41] we should know whats going on [21:41] hey newz2000 look at http://voices.canonical.com/ is that list supposed to over the posts? [21:41] does it give people the wrong impression if we're asking for news? [21:42] akgraner: if seems reasonable considering those images are huge [21:42] ahh ok [21:42] just looked weird to me :-) [21:43] popey, well - we'll have to tell people we reserve the right to verify all articles and story suggestions [21:43] and we ask for news now too [21:43] sure [21:43] it's just not as noticeable [21:44] but I think the only time people see the submit news ideas is for UWN [21:45] but we really want the community helping us find the news b/c we aren't everywhere [21:47] I guess that can go on the about page - suggestions and guidelines for stories - with a link to the wikis for a more detailed explanation [21:48] The background is there for show only: http://imagebin.ca/view/6vaNdbD7.html <- pleia2, akgraner and popey [21:50] doctormo, can the circle be the "circle of friends" with the newspaper in it? [21:50] I like though [21:50] I tried that, it looked very awkward [21:51] ahhh ok [21:52] :-) [21:56] akgraner: Besides this way it shows ubuntu in the news rather than news just for the inner circle ;-) [21:58] If you'd like me to come up with more designs, I could always pinch some ideas from thorwil, he's great *dreamy eyes* [21:59] I like it.. :-) but if you want to run it past someone else that would be fine to - but will go with it as it is right now [22:01] doctormo, can I send the link to the News image as is or is there another file that I should send to have it added to the banner? [22:05] doctormo, nm - you said background was for show [22:06] akgraner: Yea the background is from what you already have, so what I will give you is a bunch of svg files. [22:07] Second design: http://imagebin.ca/view/zlvJ1-rn.html <- pleia2, popey, akgraner [22:11] hmmm [22:11] I think I like the 1st one [22:13] http://imagebin.ca/view/DF_gaME.html slight texture change [22:18] do/6 [22:18] bah [22:18] .6 [22:23] newz2000, here is the rss feed to the new site - http://ubuntu-news.org/?feed=rss2 [22:26] doctormo, thank you!!! [22:27] logo and news button - done :-) thanks doctormo again [22:28] nick is adding those now [22:29] (I think) [22:29] nhandler, hey did you set up the twitter feeds? [22:30] also how to to whom do we need to talk to to get this forwarded to the Forums [22:31] akgraner: You guys are welcome, happy to help. [22:31] akgraner: ok, thanks [22:31] see ya in a week! [22:32] doctormo, I mean 2 weeks [22:32] ugh - all the days are running together [22:32] heck 3 weeks even [22:32] whatever see ya at UDS - blah! [22:33] akgraner: technically thats not the feed url [22:33] ak What twitter feeds? [22:34] http://ubuntu-news.org/feed is [22:35] akgraner: If we are ready, I can get the forum link taken care of. I already poked someone about that a few weeks ago [22:35] UGH [22:35] akgraner: But what twitter feeds were you talking about? The UDS ones? [22:36] the ones that get posted to twitter when something is posted on the Fridge [22:37] popey, so the rss feed that newz needs is? what you listed above for the feedburner re-direct [22:37] akgraner: What account is that? I know I setup a few rss2twitter accounts, but I'm not sure if I did that one [22:37] 22:34:05 < popey> http://ubuntu-news.org/feed is [22:37] newz2000, ^^^^ [22:39] nhandler, ubuntunews [22:41] we'd like to keep ubuntunews as the twitter account [22:49] akgraner: I didn't register it. First post I am seeing is from December 24, 2007. I'm not sure who registered it. Maybe boredandblogging ? [22:50] he said he didn't [22:50] hmmm [22:56] Well, I just did a forgot my password for that account. So everyone, just check your inbox ;) [22:56] thanks [23:01] doctormo, can you change the "send news tip" button to "submit" news tip? [23:09] the worst thing would be if that account was setup with an @ubuntu.com address for someone who is no longer a member [23:10] akgraner: yes [23:10] akgraner: But so could you, either with inkscape or a text editor. [23:11] oh really :-) I'll give it a try then :-) woo hoo! [23:11] brb [23:18] i reckon I know who regsitered the twitter :) [23:18] bit of detective work [23:18] going back through all the stories on the old fridge, i found one published on the 23rd [23:19] Corey Burger [23:19] I'll drop him a mail [23:20] done [23:21] Nice job popey. I thought most of the older fridge posts all showed up as coming from a dummy editors account, which is why I didn't look [23:22] they did, but he put his name on one :) [23:22] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1279 [23:22] not damning evidence, but good enough [23:22] popey thanks! [23:23] nick has lots of identi.ca ones [23:23] doctormo, your were right - I used inkscape and changed it :-) [23:24] akgraner: is nick _sure_ he didn't, he made twitter.com/planetubuntu [23:24] I told him to check his email [23:24] :-/ [23:24] heh [23:25] ok so what else are we missing? [23:26]