[00:57] <bazhang> ugh. almoparmeg just cant listen
[01:09] <bazhang> chaos2358 was given several solutions to his issue (assuming this was the mp3 to aiff conversion issue) but ignored them and kept on asking.
[03:01] <Ellis2358> ?stats p
[03:01] <Ellis2358> i need to be un banned from ubuntu
[03:01] <Ellis2358> !ops
[03:02] <Ellis2358> i need to be unbanned in #ubuntu
[03:03] <Ellis2358> hello?
[03:03] <Tm_T> Ellis2358: patience please
[03:04] <Ellis2358> ok
[03:06] <bazhang> banned in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic yesterday
[03:06] <Ellis2358> thats me
[03:06] <Tm_T> yes
[03:06] <bazhang> Ellis2358, you know why you were banned?
[03:07] <bazhang> as Chaos2358?
[03:07] <Ellis2358> yep because i flipped out on someone for flagging everything i posted even though i wasnt in the wrong channel
[03:07] <Ellis2358> yes as chaos
[03:07] <bazhang> this was the mp3 to aiff issue?
[03:08] <Ellis2358> the issue was support for sox which is ubuntu related and therefore not misposted
[03:08] <Ellis2358> but yes getting recognition in sox for mp3 was the cause
[03:10] <bazhang> you were quite abusive
[03:10] <Ellis2358> i was quite aggitated
[03:11] <bazhang> best to step back from the keyboard when that happens
[03:11] <Ellis2358> i told c3l that it was not misposted yet he continued to " harrass" me
[03:12] <Ellis2358> now #ubuntu-off topic i have and am not going to try to make an excuse for. i was really out of line there but by that time i was just fed up
[03:13] <Tm_T> Ellis2358: there's no excuses for bad behaviour
[03:13] <bazhang> #ubuntu was out of line as well
[03:15] <Ellis2358> which is why i said i have no excuse for what happened in #ubuntu-offtopic and i'm not trying to make one. I feel that though i took it a bit far in #ubuntu i was not as "out of line" as it was made out to be. when a person refuses to let me post a question simple because he or she doent think it is in the appropriate channel he or she is just as out of line
[03:16] <IdleOne> No he or she may have been wrong
[03:17] <Ellis2358> ok well i guess we just have to agree to disagree on this because i took it as a manner of disrespect and disregard but either way the damage is done and the lesson learned
[03:18] <bazhang> Ellis2358, you were very abusive in #ubuntu .
[03:19] <Ellis2358> look the only reason i really even care about the ban is because i've been using ubuntu for less then two weeks. not everything can be found in the normal documentation. i like ubuntu but if i cant get a little help with it i'll just go back to windows . so what is the deal with the ban?
[03:19] <bazhang> Ellis2358, okay
[03:19] <bazhang> Ellis2358, you were asked to tone it down, then quieted
[03:19] <Ellis2358> will the ban be lifted?
[03:20] <bazhang> please read the code of conduct and guidelines
[03:20] <Ellis2358> i have
[03:20] <bazhang> !coc | Ellis2358
[03:20] <Ellis2358> i read it after i was banned
[03:20] <bazhang> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines   <---- Ellis2358
[03:21] <Ellis2358> as i said i read this after i was banned
[03:21] <bazhang> Ellis2358, as you say you think you were not out of line in your behavior in #ubuntu , I suggest you read again
[03:23] <Ellis2358> look i know my language was out of line. thats been established. i also believe that i was being unjustlly harrassed as i never directed a question at c3l before he repeatedly flagged me. will the ban be lifted?
[03:23] <bazhang> Ellis2358, there are rarely perma-bans
[03:24] <Ellis2358> when will i be able to access the irc channel?
[03:26] <bazhang> Ellis2358, please return in 24hrs to discuss.
[03:27] <Ellis2358> you know what. this is too much. all i wanted was to be able to ask a question and get an answer. not to be harrassed and not to have to flip out on some guy. and most definately not to have to come to a "trial" to be able to get assistance. i'm out of the marine corp and i shouldn't have to deal with this.
[03:28] <bazhang> Ellis2358, best to cool off and come back in 24hrs to discuss, then
[03:30] <Ellis2358> i'm cool but i have two customers waiting to get there iphones back which are already going to be late because i couldnt get the required programs to do what i had to do. I'm not coming back in 24 hours to discuss this. i'm a grown man and i've served my country. i admitted i was in the wrong and i've learned a lesson from it if that isn't good enough so be it but lets not waste anymore time
[03:30] <bazhang> okay.
[03:30] <Ellis2358> okay what?
[03:31] <bazhang> your ban wont be lifted at this time.
[03:33] <Ellis2358> well in that case thank you for wasting a half hour of your time and mine. i'm going back to windows. and i must say you guys are trying to over govern a support channel. i spent three years in kandahar afghanistan and didnt have this much red tape to cross
[03:33] <Ellis2358> also thank you for turning me off of linux as well
[03:34] <bazhang> Ellis2358, you are welcome to return in 24hrs to discuss your various bans.
[03:34] <Ellis2358> no thank you
[03:35] <bazhang> okay. there is no 'un-ban on demand'
[03:36] <Ellis2358> thats fine. HOO RAH Lt.Col. M. Ellis doesn't take orders from a computer
[03:36] <IdleOne> Ellis2358: if you have no intention on returning in 24hrs to discuss the bans and has you have been told the ban will not be lifted tonight. You are done here, please part the channel as we have a no idling rule.
[03:37] <Ellis2358> HOO RAH!!
[03:37] <IdleOne> Good soldier, parted when told.
[03:43] <IdleOne> Would it be useful if the bot logged what a user says in channel when +q for BT that is?
[03:44] <bazhang> useful, but most of the @banlogs currently give an error, so not sure how well it will happen/be implemented
[03:45] <bazhang> Error: No log for ID 29xxx available
[03:45] <IdleOne> I haven't seen any errors like that
[03:45] <IdleOne> you got a specific #
[03:45] <IdleOne> ?
[03:45] <bazhang> nearly everyone I get is that
[03:45] <bazhang> yep
[03:45] <bazhang> masked to protect the innocent
[03:46] <IdleOne> PM so i can test
[03:56] <bazhang> ugh nogo ban evading again
[03:56] <bazhang> tempted to just ban hinet.net
[04:02] <IdleOne> is he banned in #ubuntu? I don't see any ban
[04:02] <bazhang> yep
[04:02] <bazhang> search term hinet.net in bt
[04:04] <IdleOne> there he is
[04:04] <bazhang> and his support consists of xyz is not ubuntu
[04:05] <bazhang> PM'd him but no response
[04:05] <IdleOne> goes all the way back to March
[04:07] <IdleOne> *!*@122-124-*.dynamic.hinet.net   should be enough to stop him
[10:03] <ikonia> hello collabra
[10:03] <collabra> hi ikonia
[10:03] <collabra> i was looking for an op,... doesn't look like he's here
[10:04] <ikonia> who are you after ?
[10:04] <collabra> well,... maybey you could help me,... the op that i had that dissagreement with,... i was lookin for him
[10:05] <ikonia> who is that
[10:05] <collabra> i'm trying to think,.... not sure,.. i should have his handle memorized.
[10:05] <collabra> hmmm,...
[10:06] <ikonia> hang on
[10:06] <ikonia> flannel ?
[10:06] <collabra> i was gonna ask him a question bout linux.... thought he could help me
[10:06] <collabra> maybey,... sounds familiar
[10:06] <ikonia> well, this isn't a support channel, so asking linux questions in here wouldn't go down to well
[10:07] <collabra> i understand,... i just wanted to ask someone i could trust
[10:07] <collabra> thank you ikonia,...
[10:07] <ikonia> well, you're welcome to use #ubuntu to ask ubuntu questions
[10:07] <ikonia> or there is ##linux for generic linux issues
[10:07] <collabra> yeah,.. i'll go back there
[10:07] <collabra> thanks
[10:08] <ikonia> based on his comments in BT I suspect he didn't want to ask a linux question
[10:09] <bazhang> the server uses different repos fellow?
[10:10] <ikonia> yes
[10:10] <ikonia> and there is no gui option after 9.04
[10:10] <bazhang> strange
[10:52]  * popey boggles at ##linux
[10:52] <popey> mint rip out pulseaudio
[10:52] <popey> yet more reasons not to support it
[10:53] <ikonia> popey: mint is just the same as ubuntu, blah blah blah
[10:53] <popey> well indeed
[10:53] <ikonia> or is that just the reason the fools use to get support
[10:54] <persia> Mint isn't the worst of the derivatives, but certainly the most popular of the uncooperative ones.
[10:54] <popey> how do you define uncooperative?
[10:54] <popey> or is that a short question with a long answer?
[10:54] <mneptok> popey: STFU
[10:54] <ikonia> I don't see it as a bad distro at all, it just does it's own thing which meants its nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:54] <persia> popey, Not actively participating as part of the Ubuntu project.
[10:54] <popey> mneptok: NO U!
[10:54]  * mneptok polishes his halo
[10:55] <ikonia> whoaaa
[10:55] <popey> right
[10:55] <persia> ikonia, I think it's worth acknoledging that Mint is a derivative, and hope that over the long term, we can share more.
[10:56] <persia> But, yeah, I wouldn't put in the same category as stuff like sabily or ichthux, who do participate.
[10:56] <ikonia> persia: it is a derivative, but it does it's own thing, so nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:56] <mneptok> ikonia: using your definition, Ubuntu is not a derivative of Debian. ;)
[10:56] <ikonia> mneptok: it's not, it's based on debian
[10:56] <ikonia> it does it's own thing too
[10:56] <mneptok> ikonia: or, rather, Ubuntu has nothing to do with Debian
[10:56] <ikonia> nothing to do with the debian project
[10:56] <popey> i think thats stretching it a bit
[10:56] <popey> for comedic effect
[10:57] <persia> ikonia, Hrm?  Every derivative does it's own thing.  Some derivatives (sabily, ichthux, lubuntu, sugar remix, possibly more) choose to do so from within Ubuntu, hoping to reach flavour one day (or having given up the idea as they were deemed unsuitable).
[10:57] <ikonia> persia: yes, so each one is nothing to do with the parent
[10:57] <persia> Others (Mint, gNewSense, etc.) are less directly cooperative.
[10:58] <ikonia> do they have to cooperate ?
[10:58] <ikonia> or can they just use the packages to do their own thing
[10:58] <persia> ikonia, See, that's where I disagree.  Why shouldn't we provide support for Sabily users: as there's nothing blocking any random person who installed Ubuntu Desktop from adding/removing packages until they end up with Sabily (including every setting, bell, and whistle).
[10:59] <ikonia> ?
[10:59] <persia> Whereas gNewSense changes packages, so we can't necessarily understand or fix their bugs.
[10:59] <ikonia> if a user choses to use 3rd party repos from a coperative or uncopertaive derivative, it's not supported
[10:59] <ikonia> its the same
[10:59] <elky> The main reason there's u/ku/xu channels is because of the gui differences, not because they're flavours
[10:59] <persia> Right, but Sabily, Sugar, Lubuntu, Ichthux, etc. all only use official repos.
[11:00] <ikonia> persia: apologies, I'm not seeing what your saying
[11:00] <persia> Whereas Mint, gNewSense, etc. use other repos.
[11:00] <ikonia> so /
[11:00] <popey> so if mint got all their changes into universe they'd be more welcome?
[11:00] <persia> That's how I differentiate between "cooperative" and "uncooperative", mostly.
[11:00] <persia> popey, I can't see any reason not to support Mint if they were fully participant in Ubuntu.
[11:01] <popey> gotcha
[11:01] <ikonia> wow
[11:01] <persia> That they have a 3rd party repo makes them unsupportable (as ikonia says)
[11:01] <ikonia> their intenral changes also make them unsupportable
[11:01] <ikonia> why would we support 3rd party distros
[11:01] <ikonia> actually, forget that, I'm out
[11:01] <persia> ikonia, My point is that what I call "cooperative derivatives" aren't really 3rd party.
[11:01] <popey> depends on your definition of "support"
[11:01] <persia> Mint isn't cooperative, so gets no support.
[13:19] <bazhang> tor gateway configured on a live cd?
[13:20] <jrib> bazhang: indeed...
[13:36] <bazhang> alabd, hi
[13:36] <alabd> Good day all ,
[13:36] <alabd> bazhang:  hi 2 u
[13:36] <alabd> it's about weeks later after my last ban by ikonia
[13:36] <alabd> 1
[13:36] <alabd> !
[14:13] <topyli> ignore, -ot is already full of ops and there's no emergency to begin with
[14:41] <bazhang> bihari still banned?
[14:42] <Pici> Yes.
[14:42] <Pici> When his cloak goes up he'll get the mute affect of being in the channel while a ban is applied.
[14:44] <bazhang> okay. saw him join using cloaked and non cloaked in the last couple of minutes
[14:45] <Pici> Me too, but then the 'changing host' quit happened.
[14:55] <bazhang> probably need to put that more specific ban on nogo/gobo/chonema/greenday
[14:57] <Pici> who?
[14:58] <IdleOne> habitual ban evader nogo
[14:58] <bazhang> multiple ban evader from hinet.net
[14:58] <IdleOne> Good morning.
[14:58] <bazhang> hi!
[15:01] <bazhang> bot?
[15:02] <IdleOne> who?>
[15:02] <IdleOne> oh nm
[15:02] <Pici> hes just babbling
[15:02] <bazhang> bizarro
[15:02] <Pici> 10:02:20 <?intphack7> lkp.win.hokil church hacker
[15:57] <Pici> topyli: Probably because they forget that you're an op. bazhang and IdleOne don't have rights there.
[15:58] <topyli> i thought IdleOne did, ok
[15:58] <IdleOne> We don't have rights on IRC
[15:58] <bazhang> heh
[15:58] <IdleOne> it's a privilege not a right
[15:58] <IdleOne> :P
[15:58] <Pici> help help I'm being opressed etc...
[15:58] <bazhang> !free speech
[15:59] <IdleOne> since topyli already thought I had rights, maybe I should :P
[15:59] <bazhang> :0
[16:01] <topyli> promised to evade
[16:09] <jussi> deactivatedpork?
[16:10] <bazhang> yep
[16:10] <bazhang> deactivatedpork> blablablabla, ban away
 it wont keep me out
[16:13] <alabd> Good day all , ikonia when will ban be removed ?
[16:16] <jussi> hello alabd. The ban will be removed when you are willing to follow instructions from the operators and have proved this in other channels.
[16:17] <alabd> other channels ?
[16:18] <alabd> jussi: hello
[16:18] <jussi> alabd: anything starting with #ubuntu- or #kubuntu-
[16:20] <alabd> ok but i-humble don't want  use other channels , support is required , is any channel for support too ?
[16:20] <alabd> my user is banned from #ubuntu
[16:22] <jussi> alabd: you were consistently offtopic and I am reluctant to give you access back in there without seeing the change. If you desparately need linux support, you can try ##linux
[16:24] <alabd> be sure i-humble will try to not be offtopic
[16:24] <jussi> alabd: We have been through this before. I will not unban you without seeing improvement in other channels first.
[16:26] <alabd> ok you mean if someone be banned 3 time in a channel by a specific OP , that user will be untrustable
[16:27] <jussi> alabd: Ive been through your logs, Ive seen the situation very well. you have been banned from 2 channels and until I see an improvement in othe channels, I will not unban you.
[16:33] <alabd> jussi:  you should know a big problem of this channels is that they have not court , if they had i-humble would complain from The OP banned me 3 times , and be sure OPs also can make mistakes , they are not sinless , but who would listen to me as a user ? where is court ? (just for you to know The OP that banned me in #ubuntu for 3 times methink , made me troubles in other channels , and in some lead to my user ban)
[16:41] <IdleOne> alabd: I believe that jussi has made his position on this very clear and I dare say he speaks for the rest of the ops team on this matter. Please part the channel now as the ban will not be lifted until you prove yourself to be able to follow the channel rules. if you feel this decision is unjust you are welcome to bring it to the attention of the IRC council. You can find the email address at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess.
[16:42] <Pici> (This already has been brought before the ircc)
[16:42] <popey> and the CC
[16:43] <IdleOne> well then I guess it is done.
[16:43] <IdleOne> he needs to part the channel
[16:48] <topyli> alabd: please leave the channel now, as there is no issue we can help you with. as you know already, idling is not allowed
[16:49] <alabd> yes topyli sure , but a question
[16:49] <alabd> who are those persons ?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess , are they
[16:49] <alabd> are they judges ?
[16:50] <alabd> Neutral judges ?
[16:50] <topyli> no, they are not judges. they are council members
[16:50] <topyli> your question is off topic here, so please part
[16:51] <alabd> will they listen to a user and will they punish an OP while they see he/she is faulty
[16:51] <jussi> yes, they will.
[16:51] <topyli> of course
[16:51] <alabd> which step ?
[16:51] <topyli> well, punishment is probably not a very good word
[16:52] <KB1JWQ> "They adjudicate" is probably a better term.
[16:52] <alabd> community-council AT SPAMFREE lists DOT ubuntu DOT com> OR <irc-council AT SPAMFREE lists DOT ubuntu DOT com>
[16:52] <alabd> KB1JWQ:  yes thanks
[16:52]  * topyli looks up 'adjudicate'
[16:52] <topyli> :)
[16:55] <alabd> but how will council Atone my time that has been spent for that court ?
[16:55] <alabd> anyway this is offtopic hear
[16:55] <alabd> God bless you
[16:56] <IdleOne> atone for his time?
[16:56] <IdleOne> what about my time?
[16:56] <KB1JWQ> Don't feel you need to send those people to ##linux. :-P
[16:56] <IdleOne> and the time of all the other ops who have wasted time telling him the same thing over and over
[16:59] <jpds> KB1JWQ: We could totally do that.
[17:00]  * KB1JWQ polishes up the banhammer :-/
[17:01] <jussi> KB1JWQ: we like to pass the fun to you
[17:01] <jussi> :D
[17:02] <KB1JWQ> Was at a mixer last night sponsored by Canonical.
[17:02] <KB1JWQ> Fun people.
[17:03] <jpds> KB1JWQ: Why, yes, we are.
[17:04] <KB1JWQ> <-- at PuppetCamp
[17:41] <IdleOne> greenday/nogo ban evading in -ot
[18:22] <Pici> IdleOne: I just got back.  Whats the ban that he is evading?
[18:23] <IdleOne> under nick nogo
[18:23] <IdleOne> was set by tony
[18:25] <IdleOne> 27876
[18:28] <IdleOne> actually 28649 set by you
[18:31] <Pici> Yeah. Cleaned up
[18:33] <IdleOne> I think the removal of 5 bans proves his evasion
[19:53] <ikonia> evening all
[19:53] <Pici> hiyas.
[19:54] <ikonia> I see you guys have been busy
[23:06] <ikonia> jesus they have re-cloaked panarchy
[23:08] <Seeker`> O.o
[23:08] <ikonia> he uses the nick "linux-cli" and "bsd-cli" and just got re-cloaked,
[23:30] <ikonia> who do we need to speak to, to get that message "not recommended for daily use" removed from the ubuntu website in reference to 64bit
[23:30] <nhandler> ikonia: File a bug against ubuntu-website on LP
[23:30] <ikonia> good call
[23:54] <Chaos2358> any ops in here?
[23:54] <ikonia> hello Chaos2358
[23:54] <Chaos2358> hello
[23:54] <Seeker`> Chaos2358: a few
[23:54] <ikonia> few or us are active
[23:54] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[23:54] <bazhang> yes
[23:54] <Chaos2358> i need to get my ban lifted in #ubuntu
[23:54] <ikonia> there you go, 3 already
[23:55] <ikonia> you said you didn't need to use the channel
[23:55] <ikonia> oh it's you again
[23:55] <ikonia> called us names and left
[23:55] <Chaos2358> No HOO RAH is not a name
[23:55] <ikonia> ]I know what it means
[23:56] <ikonia> but your attitude towards the operators in this channel stinks
[23:56] <ikonia> you've come back under a differnt nickname and repeated the same attitude
[23:56] <ikonia> both occasions saying you didn't want access again, and where going back to windows
[23:56] <Chaos2358> i'm not trying to sit here and talk for four hours i need my ban lifted
[23:56] <ikonia> it's not going to happen
[23:56] <Chaos2358> yea i reinstalled windows on my other drive but still like ubuntu
[23:57] <Chaos2358> how can you deny me access to support for something
[23:57] <ikonia> you are denied due to your attitude - it's that simple
[23:57] <ikonia> that's how it can be done
[23:57] <Chaos2358> ok so you arent going to lift my ban?
[23:57] <ikonia> no
[23:58] <Chaos2358> then how the hell am i supposed to get support?
[23:58] <ikonia> no ban will be lifted at this time
[23:58] <ikonia> apologies if I didn't make that clear
[23:58] <ikonia> you change your attitude, then we lift the ban
[23:58] <ikonia> then you can rejoin the channel
[23:59] <Seeker`> Chaos2358: launchpad or forums might help you
[23:59] <Chaos2358> you guys are something else you know that
[23:59] <ikonia> ok
[23:59] <Seeker`> I'm not what I am? I'm something else?
[23:59] <Chaos2358> all i want is support for an operating system and cant even get it because of the hall monitors and Matt Darcy is a prick