[00:00] i could use LVM and raid1, then keep breaking the array, but that sounds a bit scary [00:00] essentially i'm looking for raid1, where i can physically remove the hard drive from the computer (to protect against power surges) [00:07] <_Techie_> echosystm, so you want a hotswappable RAID 1 setup [00:07] basically, yeah [00:08] i imagine this could be done somehow involving lvm [00:08] essentially i want to do backups without having to turn off the power or stop any processes === Sgiomlaireachd is now known as away_Sgiomlairea [00:10] * away_Sgiomlairea is now away - Reason : dinner [00:14] <_Techie_> echosystm, this might provide you with a bit of reading, http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00182.html [00:33] OK, why are my ttys displaying text shifted two character places right? [00:42] <_Techie_> okay, i need a bit of help, my postfix server isnt authenticating properly when recieving mail - http://pastebin.com/Qg63NxP0 [00:50] I am having trouble getting something to bind to a specific port "java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address" but nothing shows up as being bound to that port === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [00:51] how can I check further if anything is trying to use that port but isn't showing up with netstat -l [00:52] ooooh, it can't assign it to that specific address, it doesn't matter what port it seems [00:53] lol, that IP didn't come up on reboot [00:53] although all of the other IP addresses did [00:53] hmm === numberz_ is now known as numberz [01:31] New bug: #656596 in samba (main) "package samba-common-bin 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656596 [02:36] I can't ping my cloud server. I've executed "sudo iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT" and allowed icmp in the security group. web services on the server are running fine but ping still just times out. How do I get ping to work? [02:37] Suppose I have an office network with a handful of servers and a high turnover of staff, who mostly use personal laptops. [02:38] Is there non-negligible benefit to advertising servers' services over that zeroconf DNS-SD stuff? [02:39] (Oh, and the laptops are mostly linux, with the occasional OS X or Windows user.) [02:40] <_Techie_> i have iptables setup to allow my server to act as the default gateway for my nework, is there any way to find out how much data is being sent and recieved by a specific internal IP? [02:41] _Techie_: a cheapass way would be to have a rule per host, and then count the packets/bytes that matched. [02:41] IIRC there are better ways, but I can't remember what they are. [02:41] <_Techie_> twb, do you know of a way that doesnt involve ripping apart my current set of rules? [02:41] <_Techie_> oh [02:41] They were probably too heavyweight for me to run on my 16MB router [02:42] bandwidthd does that IIRC [02:42] <_Techie_> i see, well ive got a 2.2ghz athlon with 2gig of RAM, so nothing is too heavy [02:42] if you have the horsepower to run it [02:42] <_Techie_> dual core athlon* [02:42] it wasn't what I wanted, I just wanted a total, so I used vnstat instead [02:42] I didn't think bandwidthd could distinguish between hosts [02:43] <_Techie_> if you want a total, phpsysinfo gives it in a nice output [02:43] I think _Techie_ is trying to answer questions like "which bastard is using all the bandwidth?" [02:43] <_Techie_> no [02:44] <_Techie_> i just want to know how much data my phone uses to check mail and connect to IRC before i switch it to using the cellular network [02:44] looks like it does go by IP http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/ === away_Sgiomlairea is now known as Sgiomlaireachd [02:44] * Sgiomlaireachd is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 34 minutes 41 seconds [02:45] not sure if it can go by internal IP === zz_sailerboy is now known as sailerboy [02:45] may or may not do what you want [02:45] _Techie_: that's easy, then -- ask the phone [02:46] <_Techie_> twb, not sure if the phone knows how to answer that question =P [02:46] It's not running linux? [02:46] <_Techie_> no [02:46] <_Techie_> i wish [02:46] Huh, how backward [02:46] <_Techie_> im not actually sure what its running [02:47] <_Techie_> its a chinese touch screen phone designed to imitate the iphone [02:47] Oh, a lenovo one? [02:47] <_Techie_> no [02:47] <_Techie_> gimme a sec [02:47] Lenovo make a smartphone, but they only sell it to China [02:48] <_Techie_> twb, http://www.modster-pc.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?cPath=214&products_id=4162 [02:49] <_Techie_> if i could find an app that would allow me access to the root of the phone via bluetooth, i could modify some stuff [02:49] I've never used a phone that didn't keep totals [02:49] <_Techie_> but i cant find anything that will do that [02:49] data and minutes [02:50] <_Techie_> i really dont want to just chuck it onto the cellular network, even though its prepay [02:52] <_Techie_> casual data rates are 50c per MB, or i can buy a 50MB pack for $6, but that only lasts one month [02:53] Hey. I just purged couchdb on my 10.04 server, because i had a lot of problems with it, and the guys at #couchdb said that would be the easiest solution to fix it. I dont also deleted /etc/couchdb before i thought -- well, then everything must be gone and i can start fresh with apt-get install couchdb. But now my couchdb doesnt function. It says it needs different files in /etc/couchdb, and i understand why it fails, since /etc/couchdb doesnt [02:54] I did also delete /etc/couchdb because i thought*** [02:55] Sounds like you didn't really purge it [02:56] twb: apt-get purge couchdb ? [02:57] It used to be apt-get remove --purge. I guess "purge" is new and does the same thing. [02:57] I also suspected there was a libcouchdb1 or suchlike, but I can't see one. [02:58] twb: hmm. Just tried one my time, this time with remove --purge. Didnt help, it still doesnt function [02:58] /etc/couchdb is still non-existent [02:59] I know that if you *remove* (as opposed to purging) a package, then install it, the conffiles will remain deleted. This is because dpkg assumes you deleted them for a reason. [03:00] there is an option to override that behavior [03:00] gah, I just saw it last night [03:00] where is iz [03:01] dvorak, eh? [03:01] lol - what makes you say that [03:01] Your typo [03:02] nope [03:02] hi there, i have this message when i loggedinto my ubuntu server. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aatDYefpWVu2HKMcb-7asA?feat=directlink should i do the sudo tasksel -section server ? do i need to restart my server? please advise. [03:03] Oh, swiss [03:03] Zeu5, what are you trying to use this server for? the message about restart is probably a kernel update that has been installed but isn't in use, or some other various packages - most things don't require a restart though [03:03] Or another national keyboard layout near there [03:03] nope [03:04] demonspork: its a webserver . hosting a webapp. LAMP stack [03:04] Zeu5, so you have all of those components installed already? [03:04] demonspork: i mean webserver and database server in 1 [03:04] LAMP? yes its currently running. [03:04] k [03:05] No luck on finding that command to override 'that' behvaior, demonspork ? [03:05] did you install the LAMP when you were doing the initial setup or install all the components later on [03:05] ChrisBuchholz, I looked into it a little bit - it is a dpkg command and I don't know how to make it happen using apt [03:05] demonspork: sorry i am a newbie. so do i need to a) restart my server , b) do the sudo tasksel --section server? [03:06] demonspork: i just did a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade. my LAMP was installed days ago [03:06] demonspork: ah okay, sad :/ [03:06] Zeu5, but you install all of the packages yourself? [03:06] was the update & upgrade the reason for the message about server restart? [03:06] demonspork: LAMP yes. sudo apt-get update & upgrade yes. [03:07] probably, it most likely installed a kernel update - which needs an update to actually be used [03:07] demonspork: so what should i do? leave it alone? restart server? sudo tasksel --section server? [03:08] ChrisBuchholz, try this: "sudo ucf --purge /etc/whateveryourfilenameis [03:08] Zeu5, restarting probably should be done, the tasksel message is just it assuming you haven't installed anything useful yet [03:08] when you actually have [03:08] so don't worry about the tasksel [03:08] hmm. i see. thanks demonspork. :) [03:08] demonspork: yeah? No output, so no error, i guess. And then try to install couchdb again? [03:09] try it [03:09] is there a command in ssh for me to restart the server? [03:09] shutdown -r now [03:09] you will need root, so "sudo shutdown -r now" [03:09] -r says to reboot, now tell sit when to restart [03:09] btw, i am using an amazon web services. and the ubuntu is an machine image from canonical [03:09] demonspork: holy crap. It worked! [03:09] :) [03:10] thanks for your help, guys ;) [03:10] I am as surprised as you are [03:10] lol [03:10] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444076 [03:10] Debian bug 444076 in nagios-mysql "nagios-mysql will not replace deleted config file /etc/nagios/database.cfg" [Normal,Fixed] [03:10] got the idea from there [03:10] demonspork: ah, cool [03:11] it works now, so lovely times to come [03:11] apt-get replace conf files - that is the google search that led me there [03:12] demonspork: yes the restart message is gone. the tasksel is still there [03:12] hmm [03:12] demonspork: so i just leave it alone for now yea? [03:12] yeah [03:13] I am trying to remember where all of those login scripts are kept [03:13] I wanna look through them [03:13] okie cool. thanks demonspork [03:20] <_Techie_> twb, i just gave in, i set my data connection to GPRS and am testing things out [03:23] <_Techie_> thats not too bad, 13c to check my email, check facebook, and connect to my BNC and sync all 8 channels, with 50 lines of buffer [03:24] BNC? [03:24] Where can I find a list of the commands that run when I log in [03:24] You're still using thinwire? [03:24] <_Techie_> thinwire? [03:25] Why are my ttys displaying text shifted two character places right (like, I type off the right side of the screen and not only does the cursor disappear for two characters but the text I type doesn't appear)? [03:26] uh, nvm I think my monitor's settings are messed up [03:27] <_Techie_> haha RudyValencia, problem lies between the keybaord and the seat? [03:27] no, problem is in the new LCD panel I bought [03:28] PEBKC [03:28] It seems to be 80x25 textmode getting misconfigured [03:28] (not by Linux but by the flatpanel) [03:29] <_Techie_> wait, you have a flatpanel, and your using 80x25 textmode? [03:29] <_Techie_> thats ever so slighly overkill i reckon [03:30] this is my server I'm talking about [03:30] <_Techie_> yeah [03:30] <_Techie_> i figured [03:30] Should I be running a minimal X session perhaps? [03:30] <_Techie_> no [03:30] maybe along the lines of twm? [03:30] <_Techie_> you should be logging in via SSH [03:31] <_Techie_> hell, Orannis doesnt even have a GPU [03:31] <_Techie_> leta lone a monitor [03:31] <_Techie_> let alone* [03:31] well, I'm trying to configure SSH for public-key auth without a password [03:31] <_Techie_> thats easy [03:32] doesn't require any config changes except disabling password login [03:33] don't I have to tell it to use the user's authorized_keys file? [03:33] after you have shared the public key ( cat id_rsa.pub > .ssh/known_hosts ) is a line I use a lot [03:33] ah [03:33] authorized keys [03:33] not known hosts [03:33] I typed the wrong thing [03:33] Oh [03:33] I'm using the wrong file [03:33] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/508448/ [03:33] I'm using the "opensshkey" file from PuTTYgen [03:33] .ssh/known_hosts in the user's home directory [03:33] <_Techie_> oh yeah [03:33] Yeah [03:33] that would be the file [03:33] <_Techie_> you will need to modify the public key that putty gives you [03:34] ah [03:35] <_Techie_> it needs to be in this format ' ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EA..............5B1eXHomBN6mU= [03:35] <_Techie_> and all on one line [03:36] ah [03:36] <_Techie_> i figured that out while working on Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon === Datz_ is now known as Datz [03:37] <_Techie_> so once thats all done, just open the .ppk file from putty, connect and enter your username [03:38] <_Techie_> if you trust your own security and want to make things extremely automated, dont encrypt your private key and use an auto login username [03:39] <_Techie_> that way you can just right click the Pageant icon in the taskbar adn select the apropriate saved session, and your in without having to type anything [03:39] can someone else think of some terms to google to find the list of scripts that get executed when i log in? [03:40] like the landscape info and package stats [03:40] I been looking [03:40] I not finding [03:41] Okay [03:41] <_Techie_> demonspork, its ~/.bashrc if your using /bin/bash/ [03:42] "Server refused our key" [03:42] <_Techie_> !bashrc [03:42] <_Techie_> !bash [03:42] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [03:42] <_Techie_> well, that was alot of use [03:43] _Techie_, yeah, but that doens't list any of the things that do run when I log in.... [03:43] like the landscape information and the information about packages that are available for update [03:43] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, did you correct those lines in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? [03:43] yes [03:44] <_Techie_> did you restart SSH [03:44] Yes [03:45] I think I'll copy the original config back over and try again (I have it stored as sshd_config.orig) :) [03:45] <_Techie_> okay [03:46] I found it [03:46] /etc/update-motd.d/ [03:46] Still not. [03:46] those don't run on long exactly [03:46] they just run periodically and login displays the results [03:49] which key does the server hold? [03:50] the private key or the public key? [03:50] the server needs the public key [03:50] okay [03:51] I think I just had the wrong half [03:51] I am so excited - my HPSMH is working [03:51] I tried for like 4 days to get it working [03:51] and then I rebooted [03:51] and it worked [03:54] <_Techie_> grats demonspork [03:57] I probably need to generate a new keypair [03:58] <_Techie_> i owuld advise it, especially if you put your private key on the sevrer [04:07] Server is still refusing the key... [04:07] <_Techie_> =( [04:07] <_Techie_> pastebin the private key please [04:07] that's fine right? [04:08] <_Techie_> yes [04:08] It's a PuTTY key format [04:08] <_Techie_> pastebin it anyway [04:08] <_Techie_> and i will check it and tell you what you need to do [04:10] <_Techie_> hrmm [04:11] <_Techie_> what bit key is this? [04:11] brb [04:11] <_Techie_> 1024? [04:11] 1024 bit RSA [04:11] <_Techie_> kk [04:11] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, http://pastebin.com/zm46rQ2G [04:14] I see the problem [04:14] PuTTYgen puts "gxysrv01" at the end of the public key [04:14] and I pasted that in along with it [04:15] <_Techie_> that doesnt matter [04:15] apparently it did [04:15] for some odd reason Ubuntu server doesn't like it that way [04:15] <_Techie_> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAp7kt8NZ4ZYvCrT7CZ+0f9Va1kNWSD2sSU4T3FoNfkb1w7S6446x4Y1yjLmKD90bEPovUVDmm/M6QSWN6BoHMQuIpp7jykKd5NOm0woMzsCNx3We7qOsqx9RDb0bw3eL+ByJP7IpySILE84g0fnrWGbztTjyTnKPKVLZEOEvEfjE= [04:16] <_Techie_> thats what your authorized_keys file should look like [04:16] ah [04:16] yeah [04:16] it does now [04:16] <_Techie_> also, the .ssh folder should be chmodded to 700, and the authorized_keys file to 600 [04:16] mmhmm [04:16] <_Techie_> and both folder and authorized_keys file should be owned by your suer and group [04:17] <_Techie_> user* [04:18] <_Techie_> now it should work [04:18] I've been redoing my server and forgot half of those little nuances [04:23] _Techie_: auth.log will tell you if you get those permissions wrong [04:24] 14:14 PuTTYgen puts "gxysrv01" at the end of the public key [04:24] RudyValencia: that's the key comment. The comment can be anything [04:24] oh [04:24] OpenSSH comments are usually @ [04:24] maybe I did have the permissions wrong on the server-side [04:24] <_Techie_> or in my case, Techie's Key [04:25] <_Techie_> Authenticating with public key "Techie's Key" from agent [04:25] <_Techie_> FTW [04:25] ah [04:25] in my case it's the name of the server [04:25] 'gxysrv01' [04:25] _Techie_: hm, mine uses the path. I guess you run seahorse or something [04:25] <_Techie_> twb, putty [04:25] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, you need to think of a better name for your server [04:25] I use PuTTY too [04:25] $ ssh alioth.debian.org ==> Enter passphrase for key '/home/twb/.ssh/id_rsa': [04:25] It's named that because: [04:26] gxy = greeley [04:26] srv = server [04:26] 01 = well, 1 [04:26] I do the same for my workstation, 'gxywks01' [04:26] <_Techie_> bah, you cant have a singular server with a name that makes sense [04:26] and my laptop, 'gxylap01' [04:26] <_Techie_> or even a cluster [04:26] hm [04:26] <_Techie_> you have to have a naming theme [04:26] RudyValencia: RFC1178 [04:26] well, it used to be called 'excalibur' a long time ago [04:26] gah, I can't get rid of these stupid mail messages that were sent when I typoed a crontab entry. I use "mail" and then I try using "d *" or "d 1" and the message never gets deleted. It doesn't give an error or anything, it is simply still there [04:27] <_Techie_> demonspork, manually edit your mail file =) [04:27] demonspork: use a better MUA than mail(1) ? ;-P [04:28] I'm trying to think of a new naming system [04:28] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, got a favourite book? [04:28] hitchhiker's guide series [04:28] *RFC 1178* [04:28] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, then pick names from that [04:29] _Techie_: that's a bad idea because the set is finite. [04:29] <_Techie_> so [04:29] Meaning that eventually you will run out of names to allocate. [04:29] <_Techie_> i have a cluster of VM's named after greek gods, thats finite [04:29] I think I'll just change to something like srv01.gxy.glenmereind.local [04:29] where is the mail file I need to edit [04:30] <_Techie_> demonspork, depends on your setup [04:30] RudyValencia: that should be an alias, not a name. [04:30] maybe gxy-serv-001 ? [04:31] <_Techie_> *sigh* [04:31] <_Techie_> be creative [04:31] <_Techie_> what about Astarael [04:31] I'm thinking [04:31] maybe LotR names, or maybe video game character names [04:32] <_Techie_> anything will do, its just gotta be something other than a plain name [04:32] ok, well, I'd have to alter a whole bunch of stuff but eh [04:32] <_Techie_> if the name tells you exactly where the server is, or what it does... then you gotta keep thinking [04:33] hm, maybe band names [04:33] I don't know [04:33] nah because 'boston' conflicts with the 'don't use a geographic name' rule [04:33] <_Techie_> hell, you could even use vegetable names [04:34] 'rutabaga.glenmereind.local', 'endive.glenmereind.local', 'chard.glenmereind.local'... [04:34] hehe === gravity1187_away is now known as gravity1187 [04:34] hello everyone [04:34] Star Wars... [04:35] <_Techie_> perfect [04:35] <_Techie_> starwars would be great [04:35] 'luke.glenmereind.local', 'vader.glenmereind.local', 'anakin.glenmereind.local', 'hansolo.glenmereind.local', 'chewie.glenmereind.local', 'leia.glenmereind.local', etc. [04:35] it's probably been overdone though [04:35] <_Techie_> or, you could use species names [04:36] 'homosapiens.glenmereind.local'? [04:36] ugh [04:36] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, no, star wars [04:36] oh [04:36] <_Techie_> wookie, ewok... [04:36] nah [04:36] how about presidents? [04:37] hm nah [04:38] famous composers! [04:38] Mozart [04:39] bach, brahms, mozart, pachelbel, beethoven... [04:39] yeah [04:39] but which to assign to which system(s)? [04:39] that's why I prefer the 'bland' naming scheme [04:40] it's only a small home net anyway [04:40] <_Techie_> RudyValencia, just start with one machine, assign a name... then move to the next... theyl stick with time [04:40] <_Techie_> that also reminds me, i need to rename my desktop [04:41] I don't know, I already have everything pretty well set up... [04:41] hm, I need to find an IP block that isn't being used in most places so that when I connect to my VPN I don't end up overlaying a network that exists there [04:42] 10.37.1.x/8 ? [04:42] <_Techie_> 192.168.15-254.X should be relatively safe [04:42] 192.168.15.x/24 ? [04:43] I had it 192.168.37.x/24 [04:43] <_Techie_> yeah [04:43] <_Techie_> did you ever run into a conflict with 37? [04:43] I didn't go too many places [04:43] most of them have 192.168.0.x/24 / 192.168.1.x/24 [04:43] (the places I know [04:44] hm, maybe that range in 172 might be interesting [04:45] 172.[16-31].x.y/20 [04:45] oops [04:45] 172.[16-31].x.y/12 [04:46] yeah [04:47] I'll do that [04:47] 172.16.x.y/12 === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [05:02] <_Techie_> anyone in here know how i can find out what subsystem my cellphone is using? [05:11] New bug: #656660 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656660 === _Techie_ is now known as _TechAway_ [05:26] How do I set up my server to automount my external hard drive when it's plugged in? [05:27] RudyValencia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Automounting%20%28Ubuntu%20Server%29 [05:27] ty [05:32] thanks [05:38] hm, and I have a LaserJet 4 Plus connected to my server, what driver is best to use with CUPS? [05:39] Gutenprint, HPIJS, or...? [05:39] I would assume HPIJS is best as it's from HP === twister004__ is now known as twister004 === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk [07:23] i need to install BT4 tools in my server, some not able to connect to the repo. === sailerboy is now known as zz_sailerboy === unrael_ is now known as unrael [08:24] hey all I'm trying to do nat between wlan0 (wan) and eth0 (lan) [08:24] i got it working undershorewall and did restarts clears and all [08:24] still worked [08:24] but on restarting the computer [08:25] it stoped working! [08:25] the firewall can ping out to wan and lan [08:25] the lan hosts can see the firewall [08:26] but the firewall is not NATing anymore [08:26] tcpdump shows no activity pasing from to lan [08:26] now [08:26] just stops at the lan [08:27] and same in reverse (port fowards stoped working) [08:27] . [08:27] so in short NAT has stoped [08:28] mabye wifi nics are bugy in linux ? [08:28] for this sort of activity [08:28] using ath5k driver i think [08:37] New bug: #656727 in samba (main) "Samba PDC breaks after recent update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656727 [08:59] How can one *fix* the motd messages you get when logging in through ssh? (Messages are seen double, and also plain wrong) [09:00] <_Techie_> alvin, disable the motd via /etc/ssh/sshd_config [09:00] <_Techie_> ubuntu exectues its own motd when you login [09:00] <_Techie_> thats why you are getting double motd's and one of them is blantantly wrong [09:01] _Techie_: I see. So, I have to do this on every server? [09:01] <_Techie_> by default the motd is disabled in ubuntu in openssh-server [09:02] Well, there's no mention of it in sshd_config [09:02] <_Techie_> then add PrintMotd no [09:03] I did, also restarted ssh. Didn't get any error message, but now I can no longer log in. It's a remote server. Now l have to wait until tuesday to fix it. [09:05] There's no other way to log in :-( === doko__ is now known as doko [09:07] I want the newest version of iodine, which isn't available in Karmic; there's a package in Debian Unstable, but I'm not sure how I'd use that on my system (possibly with apt-src) without pulling in the rest of Debian Unstable. [09:11] <_Techie_> !debian [09:11] Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/what-is-debian.html - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! [09:12] _Techie_: I know, but the Ubuntu way of solving this (finding a PPA of the newer version of the package) isn't working. [09:12] So what else am I supposed to do, download the source and configure; make; make install? [09:12] <_Techie_> why not build it yourself? [09:12] I'd like to have apt have some idea of what I'm installing. [09:13] So it can manage things, maybe even pull in updates for me. [09:13] <_Techie_> you can build it into a .deb, but im not sure how [09:28] hi...if i want to be able to send e-mails from my web application (or from the OS to tell me when something has gone wrong), is it enough to install and configure Postfix? do i need any services from my ISP in this case? [09:28] (it's a dedicated server) [09:29] <_Techie_> you will need to make sure that your ISP does not block port 25 [09:29] <_Techie_> if they do, you will need to resuest to have it unblocked for your connection [09:31] _Techie_: awesome, thanks :) is it challenging to setup and configure Postfix securely? i've found what looks like an excellent doc on help.ubuntu.com [09:31] <_Techie_> once you get your head around it, postfix isnt too hard [09:31] _Techie_: thanks again for your time...most appreciated :) [09:31] <_Techie_> kinygos, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix [09:32] _Techie_: that's the doc i have :) [09:33] <_Techie_> well, thats a great guide [09:33] <_Techie_> i use it to aid me in quickly installing postfi [09:33] <_Techie_> postfix* [09:34] <_Techie_> do you have a static IP? [09:34] _Techie_: yes...it's a dedicated server, but on a tight budget :) [09:35] <_Techie_> what about a domain name? [09:35] _Techie_: yep..i have a couple [09:35] <_Techie_> well then, why not run your own mail server [09:35] _Techie_: cos that sounds really hard to set up :s [09:35] <_Techie_> not really [09:36] <_Techie_> it actually makes setting up SASL authentication easy with postfix [09:36] <_Techie_> you setup dovecot to authenticate against /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow [09:36] <_Techie_> and then you setup postfix to authenticate against dovecot [09:36] <_Techie_> then you dont have to fiddle around with PAM [09:37] * kinygos is quickly looking up these terms [09:37] <_Techie_> !dovecot [09:37] IMAP and POP are protocols for fetching email. The officially-supported server in Ubuntu is Dovecot (packages "dovecot-imapd" for IMAP, and "dovecot-pop3d" for POP) - See also !MailServer for information on the SMTP protocol [09:40] _Techie_: i'm learning as i'm going along (and really enjoying it btw)...you make it sound easy...i'll probably be asking questions in this channel :) [09:40] <_Techie_> well, if im around... ill do my best to answer them [09:40] _Techie_: thanks again :) i'm off to do a bunch of reading and try stuff [09:40] <_Techie_> well, you may want to start with dovecot first [09:41] <_Techie_> it will make postfix easier [09:42] _Techie_: :) [09:48] _Techie_: again, my knowledge is limited here...as the server will be hosting an e-commerce web application, should i be considering POP3 as opposed to IMAP? there will be less than 10 mailboxes, and probably only 2 clients really using the mail server regularly in the early days [09:49] <_Techie_> depends on your need [09:49] <_Techie_> each has its upside and downside [09:51] ok..i'll read up..thanks :) [09:56] <_ruben> setting up an email server (sending and/or receiving) is quite trivial, setting up an email server that properly deals with spam and the likes is far from trivial [09:57] _ruben: that's what i thought...although, perhaps naively, i'm more concerned with my mail server being used as a spam relay [09:58] <_Techie_> its not hard to disable the relay function [10:10] * RoyK think China is going to be slightly pissed off by this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11499098 [11:12] ttx: I've updated iso.qa.ubuntu.com; noticed bug 656527 which hggdh raised yesterday which I have reproduced manually [11:12] Launchpad bug 656527 in samba "net usersidlist on a newly-installed samba server crashes with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656527 [11:12] ttx: the automated test suite for samba server did not cover this specific test; now fixed and retesting now on amd64 and i386 [11:44] omg...connecting to a share on a windows pc was sooo simple...i thought i was gonna have trouble after that chap yesterday was struggling [11:44] * kinygos pats himself on the back then hides [12:12] hggdh: do you have the hardware to cover for the RAID1 tests ? I'm on upgrade testing right now [13:11] ttx, what do the raid1 tests need? [13:14] better with two physical disks [13:14] so just software raid1 [13:14] http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerRAID1 [13:14] yep [13:14] how I'm running this machine :) [13:15] heh [13:16] this is my only non-hardware raid, cause it's just a workstation [13:17] I could easly do those tests later, in like 6hours [13:20] JamesPage, hggdh: zul and I are checking out the samba issue [13:20] ttx: excellent. [13:21] looking at it now [13:21] ttx: do you want me to pickup one of the raid1 tests? [13:25] JamesPage: if you can, that would be great$ [13:26] ttx: on it now :-) [13:26] we aim for 100% test coverage [13:26] <_ruben> bugger, my nfs server is i386, debootstrapping an amd64 root won't work [13:29] JamesPage: you got that sigsegv on amd64 as well, right [13:30] ttx: I've not confirmed that manually (only an automated test result) [13:31] ttx: same code in git === _Techie_ is now known as _TechAway_ [13:38] ttx: no, I do not have the hardware, unfortunately [13:39] hmm, can't reproduce :P [13:40] * ttx tries on i386 [13:42] Wow... Installing maverick on an XFS filesystem is /unbelievably/ slow. [13:43] Bordering on useless. [13:46] ttx: on amd64? [13:46] soren: patches accepted ;) [13:46] * soren makes a rude gesture [13:47] hehe [13:48] soren, reinstall on btrfs? :) [13:49] Pain is enough. I don't also need suffering. [13:51] ttx: i was able to reproduce it on i386 [13:51] I've been running my maverick system on btrfs for months now, haven't had any issues so far :) [13:52] My refridgerator also works. [13:52] That also does not solve my XFS problem. [13:53] it might, give it a chance :) [13:53] have to deal with vzw today :( [13:54] ttx: I should have been clear, I did not see the samba issue on amd64 [13:54] sorry [13:56] hggdh: I'm not sure I agree; no seg fault on amd64 but the list of SID's returned does not include all accounts [13:57] JamesPage: then this is still a bug; it is probable, then that amd64 and i386 behave differently on it. Good catch, sir [13:57] hggdh: looks like it. [14:00] JamesPage: right [14:05] ttx: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7718 opened upstream [14:05] bugzilla.samba.org bug 7718 in Client Tools "net usersidlist crashes on i386" [Normal,New] [14:09] hmm, on i386 it ~works here [14:09] (behvaes like your amd64 [14:09] ) [14:10] oddd [14:10] maybe depends on username size [14:10] whats the username? [14:10] "ttx" [14:11] hhhhmmmm [14:11] if I create another user, it just works [14:12] JamesPage: at best it's strange behavior, but samba works, so I'd consider the test as passed, not failed... [14:13] hggdh: your opinion: ^ [14:14] it looked, for me, like it failed at the end (on i386), but still listed the users. Perhaps a boundary condition [14:14] ttx: but I agree the test seems to have passed (and I had marked mine as so) [14:15] anyone working on opennebula ?? [14:15] JamesPage: could you change the test result ? I don't think that should be considered a FAIL [14:17] anyone working on opennebula ?? [14:17] hardfire: no [14:17] hardfire: try #opennebula, maybe [14:18] #opennebula is the most inactive channel i've ever been [14:18] hardfire: sounds a bit more ontopic there though [14:18] oh! true .. just gave a try to this channel .. anyways .. its related here too! [14:19] ttx: OK; I'll update my results. [14:20] JamesPage: strange thing is that if you add other users they are reported correctly. [14:20] ttx: hmmm very odd [14:21] also the net USERSIDLIST command is undocumented in man net [14:21] maybe our test is a bit wrong [14:22] we could use wbinfo -u instead [14:22] hmm that net command is pretty bad [14:23] so typing net --help, you get: Use 'net help usersidlist' to get more info about 'net usersidlist' commands [14:23] but if you try 'net help usersidlist'... [14:23] it just does te same as if you did net usersidlist [14:23] yeah - its not pretty is it. [14:24] looks a bit abandoned. [14:43] hggdh: did you have a bug number for the missing grub rescue bug ? [14:45] ttx: yes, just a sec [14:46] ttx: bug 320183 [14:46] Launchpad bug 320183 in rescue "When using "Recover a broken system" from the Server CD boot menu, /boot is not mounted" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320183 [14:49] hggdh, Jamespage: is one of you on the RAID1 tests ? [14:50] ttx: I've picked up the i386 RAID1 test; running at the moment. [14:50] if yes, mark it "started" please [14:50] ack [14:51] jdstrand: if hggdh is not on it, you could cover the RAID1/amd64 test, I know you usually find exploding corner cases :) [14:51] ttx, jdstrand I cannot run the raid tests, no hardware available for it [14:52] * ttx is on rescue mode /i386 [14:52] hggdh: I always just use kvm [14:52] then I guess I could it it after I finish the current one [14:53] i must have typed something incorrectly in my crontab commands... how do i view the error infromation from the command attempting to execute? i read somewhere online that it sends mail to root === jbernard_ is now known as jbernard [14:57] ttx: on the amd64 raid1 test now [14:57] hggdh: great ! [15:04] heh? those tests looked like software raid, cause if you had hardware raid, there would be no need to select the raid type or anything in the ubuntu installer [15:23] why would quotes stop a command that otherwise works fine not work in the crontab? [15:24] Well it depends where the quotes are of course ;) === aliverius_ is now known as aliverius [15:32] well... it wasn't the quotes it was the %s which i knew i couldn't have without escapes, but i was too focused on the ""s... just thought i'd mention it for others [15:44] hey guys, is there a way i can install ubuntu over a debian install with only ssh access to the box? [15:52]