=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se === demond is now known as Guest64247 === Guest64247 is now known as demond3 [02:10] i've got a problem with my sound card can someone help me im new with linux [02:11] !sound [02:11] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [02:12] Try those first. :D [02:13] thx === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [03:43] i have a zsync question - if i get the daily build today - i will get the whole 700 MB. When I do the zsync again tomorrow - will I get another 700 MB or just the diff between the two ISO files? [03:44] I believe just the differences [03:45] even if there is just one file? [03:45] nice! [03:45] It compares what you have to what is on the server and downloads the parts that changed, even though you have a single file [08:43] hi [09:00] is there any civilisated way of browsing/mounting smb in xubuntu? [09:01] gigolo [09:03] is there a python channel? [09:03] yes [09:04] there's #python [09:04] hence yes [09:13] Sysi: that was to me? :D [09:13] yes [09:13] it's installed by default [09:14] !info gigolo [09:14] gigolo (source: gigolo): frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVfs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0-1 (lucid), package size 129 kB, installed size 716 kB [09:14] default in xubuntu [09:14] i've never managed to use that for ssh mounts myself :p [09:15] having no windows here I prefer nfs [09:15] it needs setting up [09:15] sshfs works well [09:15] one file needs editing [09:16] sorry - one per comp [09:16] but I am old school [09:17] different strokes for different folks - it's good that there are options :] [09:18] moetunes: at work i don't have much choice ;) [09:18] thanks Sysi [09:18] np [09:19] i'm considering opensuse atm [09:19] heh [09:19] it'll be killed soon [09:20] it was rather nice [09:20] suse does do the "no command line" thing very well [09:21] i onle do basic stuff on cli [09:21] * only [09:22] the bootloader thing they have was impressive last time I tried it [09:22] suse just isn't really xfce-distribution [09:23] kde or gnome mostly [09:23] i *could* use kde [09:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSJyJ9JuY5E ? - impressed me - scared of the resources it would use tho [09:24] kubuntu^^ [09:24] *buntu isn't really kde distro :P [09:25] hmm [09:25] though it worked well [09:25] i thing xubuntu is the best option right now [09:25] jockey-gtk gave me a bit of headache [09:26] what is jockey? :> [09:26] another middleman app... [09:27] argh, what is it in english menu [09:27] languages? [09:27] propietary drivers installer [09:27] ah [09:28] !info kockey-gtk [09:28] Package kockey-gtk does not exist in lucid [09:28] i don't use that [09:28] !info jockey-gtk [09:28] jockey-gtk (source: jockey): GNOME user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.8-0ubuntu8.1 (lucid), package size 8 kB, installed size 156 kB [09:39] is there a way to update xchat with a command? [09:40] "update"? [09:41] apt-get upgrade xchat [09:41] update the installed app or what's coming in from channels jrmy ? [09:41] installed app [09:43] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade will upgrade everything - using synaptic you can update and check for new version [09:44] ubuntu doesn't generally upgrade apps between releases - is the backports repo enabled jrmy ? [09:44] i should start typing in all of these commands [09:44] i dont know [09:44] brb [10:36] moetunes: explain backports repo [10:36] !backports [10:36] If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging [10:37] jrmy: ^^ [10:37] does it better then i could ... [10:38] how would i enable it? [10:40] well it didnt upgrade anything so i dot think that works for xchat [10:41] well lets start with the xubuntu version you have - if it is the current backports won't help much [10:41] !version [10:41] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy » [10:42] why do you need newer xchat? [10:46] jrmy: ^^ [10:48] idk.. i'd just assume it would be better [10:48] erp [10:49] im confused why it says i still have ubuntu yet i dont have anything of ubuntu installed anymore [10:49] that i know of [10:50] !xubuntu [10:50] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [10:50] that's why [10:50] but i dont have gnome [10:50] i already installed xubuntu [10:50] i suppose i can try again [10:51] "Xubuntu is Ubuntu..." [10:51] i see [10:51] what part is hard in that [10:52] is the system monitor suppose to be a part of xubuntu? [10:52] in this it says gnome 2.30.2 [10:53] in 10.04, it's installed by default [10:53] idk i dont understand i guess [10:55] xubuntu has the same base as ubuntu - xubuntu uses xfce where ubuntu uses gnome - some gnome apps are in xubuntu 'causes xfce uses gtk like gnome but is short of some things [10:55] !gtk [10:55] GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI [10:55] !xfce [10:55] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [10:56] !gnome [10:56] GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal. [10:56] and to show the amazing choice gnu/linux has [10:56] !fluxbox [10:56] fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox [10:58] !gnu [10:58] G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org [10:58] !unix [10:58] UNIX is an operating system created in the '70s, which has many direct derivates and inspired systems like Minix and !Linux. Most "UNIX-style" systems try to somewhat adhere to the POSIX standard. [10:58] !bsd [10:59] bah [10:59] what was the first unix os called? [10:59] unix? [10:59] yep [10:59] nowdays it's just license [11:00] so thats ancient history? [11:00] unix [11:00] operating system created in the '70s [11:00] no it is still used - you have to pat for it tho [11:01] pat? [11:01] *pay [11:01] oh [11:01] so with linux they wanted to make it free [11:01] i see [11:02] a dude named Linus made his own unix - lin + nix [11:02] just kernel [11:02] !kernel [11:02] The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages [11:02] and then they started to use it in gnu-os [11:04] linux kernel to access the hardware plus opensource apps = where we are now [11:05] chatting in irc for no cost :} [11:05] is gnu in gnu a name? [11:05] it says gnu's not unix [11:06] gnu names ♥ [11:06] because that part confuses me [11:06] gimp, gnu image manipulator [11:06] gnu, gnu's not unix [11:06] so gnu is basically a name [11:06] in the open source world there are lots of self referencing acronyms - gnu is not unix [11:06] wine, wine's not an emulator [11:06] Gnu Is Not Unix [11:07] wait wine isnt a emulator? [11:07] yes [11:07] as name says [11:07] i totally dont understand wine then [11:08] is unix easy to use liek windows? [11:08] like* [11:08] more user friendly in one sense [11:08] and or not very complicated to use [11:10] when you first used windows you had to learn how to use a mouse and install stuff - same in linux distros' - you need to learn a couple of things [11:11] if you tried to use a mac you would need to learn some stuff [11:12] then I'm thinking it wil take me a few years to get used to ubuntu [11:12] it would probably be dumb to swtich to another distro at this point [11:12] switch* [11:13] depend on what you want to do - mostly it is just learning that apps are free and in the package manager and how to use the package manager [11:14] in windows if you install a new app you have to learn it - nothing different here [11:15] my main use for a computer is games and everyday web browsing [11:16] like email checking and facebook [11:16] the games part is lacking for my old and low end computer [11:16] wine wont work with most of the old games ive tried [11:16] or X crashes [11:17] dont know what hardware problems i coudl have [11:17] not my ram however since ive checked for errors [11:18] that sounds like either the card can't do the game or you need a better graphics driver [11:18] i have 8MB and ive been playing games at most that need this much [11:18] for wine I would check the appdb to see if it is supported [11:18] !appdb [11:18] The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [11:18] so i perhaps my graphics driver lacks [11:19] apparently sin, red alert, and incoming are suppose to work [11:19] at 8mb I don't think it would - old cards have good support unless they are sis afaik [11:19] remind me what afaik means again [11:19] as far as I know [11:20] and sis? [11:20] sis is a brand of video card - in terminal lspci will tell what you use [11:21] it'll be near the end of what that command returns [11:22] actually the end shows other stuff [11:22] the first three talk about the graphics [11:22] k [11:22] unless host bridge is something else [11:22] host bridge IS something else [11:22] ok [11:23] then yeah it says vga compatible controller and display controller [11:23] the one with vga in it [11:23] yep :] [11:23] since i have a laptop i have both i assume [11:24] which the 2 are obvious for there uses [11:24] if you have somewhere to plug in an external monitor then yep [11:24] right [11:24] i have a parallel and a serial port too [11:24] which i dont know what serial is used for [11:25] parallel is printer port [11:25] i know [11:25] i said i dot know what serial is used for [11:25] dont* [11:25] i really wish i could boot with a usb device [11:25] serial is for add on devices rarely used by most folk [11:26] ok [11:26] sounds like the hardware is too old for that [11:26] is there any way to enable this? [11:26] ive heard its dumb to flash a new bios [11:26] i think one of my friends are knowledgeable enough to do so [11:27] I have heard there is an app you can use on a floppy disk to help that but I know nothing about it [11:27] well i have a floppy drive [11:27] and a whole bunch of used floppy discs [11:28] which are just sitting around doing nothing [11:28] i dotn think i have enough of them to install a different os though [11:28] since each are 1.44MB [11:28] lol [11:28] hehe [11:30] i might have about 20 of them however [11:31] they do rot quick ... [11:31] 28.8MB lol [11:31] well i dont know how old they are anyways [11:32] which they are probably useless [11:32] i wonder how big windows 98 is [11:32] 256mb iirc [11:33] or one install I did was [11:34] yeah i wouldnt have enough space that way [11:34] heh [11:34] i'd need more like 200 floppies [11:34] lol [11:34] sounds like you don't have a cd drive? [11:35] i do [11:35] i just dont have discs [11:35] ok :] [11:35] if i had some cd's i could burn them with my desktop [11:35] but yeah i only have dvd+r's [11:35] which is useless to me [11:38] there are other ways to install but they can be complicated [11:38] ah [11:38] !install [11:38] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [11:40] !automate [11:40] Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning [11:40] well if that floppy drive thing would work then i'd try that [11:41] since my original plan was to try other distros not install them [11:42] I've only heard about it in passing on irc - I don't have any floppy drives here at all [11:42] well i can take a long journey with google i suppose [11:43] I would recommend using www.google.com/linux [11:43] instead of just www.google.com [11:44] that exists? [11:44] yep [11:44] mostly what I use [11:45] has a penguin on it [11:45] i just might replace my default search engine with that [11:45] :] [12:22] I've figured out why Xfce/Xubuntu keeps crashing [12:24] It's Xfwm [12:29] Hey DBeets [12:29] Hi [12:29] I never did get that figured out. I just went with a new window. [12:29] Xfwm has been making my xfce session crash [12:30] xfwm pretty much is xfce-session [12:30] I'm running openbox with xfce4-session, xfdesktop and xfce4-panel and it's working just fine [12:31] Apart from having to use the 3 finger salute to log out [12:31] Now all I have to do is find out why xfwm4 is misbehaing [12:31] misbehaving [12:31] I think you can only change tab names on a per session basis DBeets [12:33] If I run xfwm4 --replace the session will crash [12:35] Yeah, you'd think there would be a command to at least open a new tab and run a command. [12:35] Or can;t the shell interact that way? [12:35] will it work if you do it with tty? [12:35] I was right [12:36] xfwm4 did crash the session [12:36] mark76: try removing xfwm config [12:36] some themes make xfwm crash [12:36] Is xfwm config in ~/.config? [12:36] under there [12:38] I can't see it in the .config folder. Home? [12:38] locate xfwm | grep home [12:39] There's a xfwm4 folder in the .config/xfce4 folder. But it's empty [12:40] I deleted it :/ [12:40] BRB [12:42] Nope. That wasn't it [12:44] There's definitely no xfwm4 config file in my home directory [12:45] did you try that locate [12:45] Yep [12:45] interesting [12:45] It just lead me to the xfwm4 folder in the xfe4 folder in the .config folder [12:45] Which was empty [12:48] I've removed and reinstalled xfwm [12:48] BRB [12:51] Nope, Sysi. It doesn't even get to the desktop [12:52] probably dumb if i give advise [12:52] have you tried creating new user? [12:52] since i barely know anything [12:52] Can I create a new user in another desktop environment? [12:53] yes [12:53] What's the command? [12:54] adduser [12:54] Oh that. Hang on [12:54] BRB [12:55] moetunes: will this work for all distro's? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/use-a-floppy-to-boot-usb-pendrive-linux/ [12:57] jrmy: not something I've tried but from a quivk read it does seem straight forward [12:57] ok [12:57] any idea what PDL is? [12:57] !PDL [12:57] I would keep that link open on another comp while trying tho - just for the troubleshooting stuff etc [12:58] right [12:58] This is going to out myself as a newb but, can you seach in a man page? [12:58] or right it down on paper [12:58] jrmy: why would you need that? [12:58] jrmy: pdl = pen drive linux [12:58] s/seach/search [12:58] Sysi: i cant boot from usb with my computer [12:59] then you really don't need pdl? [12:59] ok so i need to rename the volume's label? [12:59] oh that was that hack [12:59] DBeets: I do man appname | grep somethingIwant [12:59] Sysi: ok then how else will i boot from usb? [13:00] why do you need to? [13:00] you can ofc try if that works [13:00] Sysi: it it about jrmy using a floppy to help him boot a usb [13:00] Hello again Sysi [13:00] I'm using a different user [13:00] i want to try other os' and i want to install a different os on my desktop [13:00] And everything is working fine [13:01] jrmy: cd-rw? [13:01] Sysi: i dont have any nor can i afford any [13:01] im kinda jobless [13:02] i have a perfectly capable 8GB flash drive [13:02] working with what you have is a nice intellectual challenge :] [13:02] why get anything more? [13:02] moetunes: perfect thanks [13:02] ..is there grub menu in installation discs [13:03] tarball installation images are kinda rare afaik [13:03] are you talking to me Sysi? [13:03] i guess [13:03] well i have no idea one way or another [13:04] im not even all that sure what grub is anyways [13:04] !grub [13:04] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [13:06] How do I restore the power to use xfce/xubuntu session to myself Sysi? [13:08] Mark76: you couls copy .config [13:08] or removing it entrely might works [13:08] What? All of it? [13:09] the folder [13:10] Okay... [13:10] that will destroy some of your settings [13:10] BRB [13:10] there is a .config xfce [13:10] there is a .config/xfce [13:14] ok i have no idea how to get pdl [13:15] from the link you gave earlier - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-pendrive-linux-install-from-windows/ [13:15] it says - This tutorial assumes your using the Pendrive Linux version located HERE [13:15] HERE is a link [13:16] oohh it needs windows... [13:16] i dont see anything about a linux installation [13:17] yeah [13:17] and from the looks of it pendrivelinux is an os [13:17] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ [13:18] Universal USB Installer is a Live Linux USB Creator that allows you to choose from a selection of Linux Distributions to put on your USB Flash Drive [13:18] quote unquote :] [13:19] sorry it needs windows too [13:20] !unetbootin [13:20] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [13:20] prob won't help with the floppy bit tho [13:21] already have unetbootin [13:23] here we go then - http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ 1/3 the way down [13:24] already there [13:24] lol [13:24] heh [13:24] grub2 can boot to iso images [13:25] you could try that [13:25] !grub2 [13:25] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [13:26] brb [13:27] back [13:28] well i already have the pc/bios version installed [13:28] is there another version i'd need? [13:29] im searching for it with the software center [13:29] read the manual [13:35] ok so i can boot from a iso on my harddrive with grub2 [13:35] yes [13:36] so i guess all i need to do is figure out how to make it boot from an iso [13:36] the grub2 links tell that [13:39] i dont see where [13:40] ive also been in the grub2 menu or whatever before [13:40] ive done memory tests before [13:40] i didnt know what it was though [13:41] i thought it was called recovery mode or somethin [13:42] how hard is it to have more then one linux distros installed? [13:44] oh yeah i can use unetbootin to make the iso on the hdd [13:44] not hard, you just need to configure grub [13:45] ok [13:47] ok all of the "configurng grub2" makes little to no sense [13:47] are you sure the link tells me how? [13:47] it should [13:48] maybe i hould just use unetbootin [13:48] should* [13:48] Well, I've got Xfce sorted out properly now [13:48]