[00:06] <ScottK> lex79: Could you have a look into https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004783.html
[00:07] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ I still don't see why we bother with doing all the work to let LP break translations.
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> Nice, kubuntu.org now has shoutouts to the underlying technology: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[00:20] <lex79> ScottK: for what I saw, kubuntu system doc is not in Italian, all modules in system settings are in Italian, except for kubuntu notification helper but for this there is a bug open in LP
[00:34] <ScottK> lex79: I'd appreciate it you'd give a reply on the list.
[00:35] <ScottK> (if you haven't already)
[00:36] <DarkwingDuck> Know anyone looking for a Web Dev?
[00:53] <neversfelde> oh the docs, I think german people translated it,too. It never got into LTS
[01:03] <jjesse> is there a reason all the iso's for RC are dvds and not cds?
[01:03] <jjesse> my usb keys are only 2gb big :(
[01:04] <jjesse> hrmm did we shift to only dvds?
[01:05] <jjesse> cause that would be a bummer
[01:07] <jjesse> so much for testing the rc
[01:13] <ScottK> jjesse: They aren't.
[01:14] <jjesse> they aren't what?
[01:14] <ScottK> They aren't all DVDs.
[01:14] <ScottK> Also we're testing final now and not RC.
[01:14] <jjesse> ok
[01:15] <jjesse> so where should i download them from?
[01:15] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:15] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ if you want the alternate.
[01:15] <jjesse> oh the RCs were all dvds
[01:16] <ScottK> It is a bit odd that's all that's there.
[01:17] <jjesse> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/rc/
[01:17] <jjesse> those were all dvds
[01:18] <ScottK> Yeah.  Not sure where the others went.
[02:06] <ScottK> jjesse: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/
[02:06] <ScottK> cdimage just has dvd's post release so that's what it has for RC.
[02:07] <jjesse-netbook> ah ok
[06:45] <maco> ScottK: wgrant and i both use intel graphics and have both for a few weeks had a problem about 1/3 of the time when we try to suspend or resume having it fail. are you seeing this? i'm suspecting that mesa change that was done for kwin
[06:48] <maco> what i see is the lcd going into "test mode" (shows different solid colours and some gradients) and then going to a on-but-all-black screen during suspend
[06:49] <maco> resume symptom for me has that (not sure if every time resume fails that happens though) but does have the black screen with the harmless GLib warning that coems up on some boots when X/kdm/gdm/something fails to start post-plymouth
[06:50] <wgrant> maco: Does X eventually come back after that?
[06:50] <wgrant> For me it mostly does (when suspend succeeds).
[06:50] <wgrant> But it occasionally doesn't.
[06:50] <maco> oh? how long does that take? 
[06:50] <wgrant> Sometimes after a couple of seconds. Sometimes not at all.
[06:50] <maco> ive seen X show up after a fail-to-black boot once, but usually my "this thing is fubar" detector goes off and i reboot
[06:51] <maco> hmm i think the time it ended up starting id gone to do something else and came back surprised to see kdm started after all
[06:51] <maco> far more than a couple of seconds
[06:51] <maco> also weird:  REISU works. B just says "Resetting..." and then does nothing
[06:52] <maco> (so i go with REISU*power*)
[06:52] <wgrant> Sounds like some ACPI mess.
[06:53] <maco> yeah, and i know acpi's a bit broken here (sometimes it turns off without warning :(  ) but if you're hitting the suspend problems too AND its that recent, it's not my hardware's fault!
[11:19] <Quintasan> brrr
[11:22] <francisco_t> Hi, Is there a bug in ubiquity-kde in "Advanced partitions -> Create -> Use as..." and the options repeats and repeats 4 times?
[12:42] <ScottK> maco: I haven't been having suspend resume problems.
[12:43] <ScottK> I've had plenty of other problems with X crashing on logout and compositing defaulting off, etc.
[13:37] <jussi> Just a reminder, #ubuntu-release-party is open! Welcome!
[14:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: Do you know what the final URL for the Kubuntu release notes will be?
[14:39] <ryanakca> ScottK: Unfortunately not, whoever's preparing them might though...
[14:39] <ScottK> Maybe claydoh...
[14:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: Riddell was making changes a couple of weeks ago to the website for release, he might know
[14:40] <ScottK> OK.  I guess we wait and see.
[16:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I just finished the last non-armel Kubuntu test case.
[16:29] <ScottK> Tm_T: Have you tested powerpc?
[16:31] <Tm_T> ScottK: about to do it, were busy with family things (:
[16:31] <ScottK> Tm_T: Cool.  Let me know how it goes.
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: great
[17:00] <Riddell> but we have a problem on upgrades
[17:00] <ScottK> Is it the one you were discussing yesterday?
[17:01] <Riddell> freezes/crashes when viewing conffile diff
[17:02] <Riddell> bug 656876
[17:02] <Riddell> mvo got it too
[17:02] <Riddell> no python backtrace, it's some deeper problem
[17:03] <ScottK> Is there something useful we can tell people that trip over it?
[17:05] <Riddell> don't press the "show more" button
[17:06] <Riddell> I'm going to do some tests but I think our best option is to disable that button unfortunately
[17:08] <ScottK> That will cause trouble.
[17:08] <ScottK> Does it always happen?
[17:09] <Riddell> does for me yes
[17:09] <Riddell> it's going to cause lots of broken upgrades if we let it happen
[17:10] <ScottK> Agreed.  OTOH, arbitrarily overwriting config file changes is not much fun either.
[17:11] <ScottK> Riddell: What about recommending a command line upgrade instead?
[17:11] <Riddell> the user will still be warned that the config file has changed and get the option of keeping the old one, it's just the diff they can't see
[17:12] <ScottK> Something like "If you've edited system configuration files, upgrade using sudo do-release-upgrade instead of the normal ..."
[17:12] <ScottK> I guess that's usually OK.
[17:12] <Riddell> everyone will have edited system configuration files, the "prompt on normal not lts upgrade" option is one
[17:12] <ScottK> Right.
[17:13] <ScottK> At that point there should be a .dpkg-new copy of the config file in /etc so someone who had edited other config files could see the difference manually.
[17:15] <ScottK> I think disabling is probably best, but I'd also mention "prompt on normal not lts upgrade"  is normal and can be accepted and that one can manually diff others if one has questions about which option to pick.
[17:15] <Riddell> yep
[17:16] <Riddell> question is can I upload update-manager without needing CDs respun
[17:16] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[17:16] <ScottK> I think putting it in -updates is best.
[17:16] <Riddell> yes
[17:17] <ScottK> It just affects upgrades, so it's fine there.
[17:17] <Riddell> now I wonder if anyone is around to make sure that's sane
[17:17] <ScottK> Also no reason (except policy) it can't be accepted now.
[17:17] <ScottK> robbiew is active on #ubuntu-release, so there's at least someone available to absorb the blame.
[17:20] <ScottK> If the diff isn't too obtuse, I can probably review it.
[17:21] <Riddell> I expect it'll just be a setEnabled(false) in the right place
[17:21] <Riddell> but still doing tests on the current version now, maybe gdb will enlighten it a bit
[17:29] <lucidfox> Okay, that comment of mine about KWin being a resource hog seems to be mostly related to blur
[17:29] <lucidfox> for some reason, blur slows down both KWin and Compiz on my NVIDIA card
[17:29] <Riddell> blur does use some of the more obscure parts of opengl I believe
[17:30] <mgraesslin> it's not that obscure, it just requires many texture lookups
[17:32] <mgraesslin> interestingly Microsoft was hit by exactly the same problem when introducing Vista - remember all those complains about Vista being too slow...
[17:32] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I understand mesa has a blur test in their test suite.
[17:32] <ScottK> (now)
[17:32] <ScottK> Vista is slow.
[17:32] <Riddell> case proven :)
[17:32] <ScottK> So hopefully free driver support should be better in the future.
[17:32] <lucidfox> Well, I didn't have any slowdown problems with blur under Windows 7 on any of my parents' computers
[17:33] <mgraesslin> it will get better in future
[17:33] <lucidfox> I use the proprietary NVIDIA driver
[17:33] <mgraesslin> btw I have heard many times now, that blur & co worked fine with 4.5 in lucid and stopped working after upgrade to maverick
[17:33] <ScottK> mgraesslin: My biggest problem right now with effects is the functionality checks.
[17:33] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: sounds like driver related then
[17:34] <ScottK> The mesa situation is hugely better now than it was several weeks ago.
[17:34] <mgraesslin> yeah we know, fredrikh suggested to disable functionality checks completely in 4.5.3 if we do not get it fixed
[17:34] <mgraesslin> it seems to be a race condition
[17:35] <ScottK> I'll have affected hardware you can borrow at UDS if that's a help.
[17:35] <mgraesslin> it is, as I cannot reproduce it here
[17:36] <mgraesslin> though I could give the free nvidia driver a chance again
[17:36] <ScottK> I can loan you my netbook for the week.  I'll bring a regular laptop.
[17:36] <mgraesslin> thanks
[17:49] <lucidfox> Is there any way to remove that desktop-switching tab-thing from the right of the desktop?
[17:49] <ScottK> lucidfox: You mean in the panel?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im moving koffice from ninja's to beta backports, lex79 says the package looks ok to him as well
[17:50] <lucidfox> it's separate from the panel, attached to the right side of the screen
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great
[17:51] <lucidfox> part of the desktop widget, apparently
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you could put a story on kubuntu.org with that and the kdevelop beta if you want
[17:51]  * shadeslayer just came back from Athletics CWG event
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont have the rights ;)
[17:52] <ScottK> lucidfox: I've just switched to plasma desktop to see.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> also, should i backport this koffice release?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> havent done that, but shouldnt take long
[17:53] <ScottK> lucidfox: The only desktop switching thing I have is the pager in the panel.
[17:54] <ScottK> That you should be able to right click on and remove
[17:54] <ScottK> You'll have to unlock widgets if you've locked them.
[17:56] <lucidfox> ScottK> http://homepc.lucidfox.org/pics/rightdesktopthingy.png
[17:57] <ScottK> Looking
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:57] <shadeslayer> lucidfox: the huge bar?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> its called the cashew
[17:57] <lucidfox> the tab at the right side of the screen
[17:57] <shadeslayer> and you need a plasmoid called hide the cashew
[17:57] <lucidfox> with Cyrillic text
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yes thats the one
[17:57] <ScottK> lucidfox: You can't remove it, but you can click and drag it to a corner where it's out of the way
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hide the cashew makes it disappear ;)
[17:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, but it's a hack.  I don't recommend it.
[17:58] <shadeslayer> me neither
[17:58] <shadeslayer> but if you really really want it out of the wau
[17:58] <shadeslayer> *way
[17:59] <shadeslayer> lucidfox: do you really really want it out of the way? :D
[17:59] <mgraesslin> just move it in a corner, than it's hardly visisble :-)
[17:59] <ScottK> It's a bit odd that it's right there in any case.
[17:59] <ScottK> Exactly.
[17:59] <ScottK> The pre-release plasma netbook we used in Karmic had it there, but other than that, I've never seen that.
[18:00] <lucidfox> yes, I mpved ot om a cprmer
[18:00] <lucidfox> * yes, I moved it to a corner
[18:01] <ScottK> It's a useful control in any case, so I wouldn't want it completely hidden anyway.
[18:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you don't have the access details to the website?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> no..
[18:10] <Sput> wow, I have never seen such a tab
[18:10] <Sput> is that some kubuntu-specific thing?
[18:10] <Sput> ... or a netbook thingy?
[18:11] <Riddell> the plasma tab?  it's what happens if you put a panel at the top
[18:11] <Riddell> if the cashew has no corners it takes a tab
[18:11] <Tm_T> ScottK: PPC seems to be all ok
[18:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: thanks
[18:12] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[18:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess that's one more set of images to remember to release ...
[18:13] <Sput> Riddell: ah I see. I have my panel at the bottom and the regular cashew on the topright
[18:14] <Sput> somehow I've never used activities at all
[18:14] <Sput> but I'm hardly using virtual desktops nowadays either, so meh
[18:16] <Tm_T> ScottK: funny how I have kwin effects enabled by default with this hardware, transition animations are slooow but smooth (:
[18:17] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:39] <shadeslayer> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-41-rc-and-koffice-23-beta-1-packaged 
[18:47] <ulysses> shadeslayer: in the news there's a mistake, the packages are in the Kubuntu Beta Backports PPA, not in the Kubuntu Updates PPA
[18:48] <shadeslayer> oh your right
[18:48] <shadeslayer> ulysses: any other issue?
[18:49] <ulysses> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.2
[18:49] <ulysses> the ppa line misses the /ppa from the end, it should be ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ulysses: no thats fine
[18:50] <shadeslayer> it adds that ppa...
[18:50] <shadeslayer> i.e ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[18:50] <debfx> shadeslayer: you could also add that qtcreator 2.1.0 beta 1 is in the same ppa :)
[18:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Ping me when there's something to review.  I'll be on and offline this afternoon.
[18:51] <shadeslayer> shouldnt we do a seprate news release for that?
[18:51] <shadeslayer> since ive done koffice and kdevelop
[18:54] <debfx> yeah, probably better
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is it ok if we do a news release for packages of qtcreator 2.1?
[18:58] <Riddell> go ahead
[19:00] <shadeslayer> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/qtcreator-21-beta-1-packaged
[19:01] <shadeslayer> weird.. i un-ticked "Promote to main page" and it still did it
[19:02] <debfx> shadeslayer: bugtracker for qt creator is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/
[19:02] <Riddell> oh aye
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Bugs in the software to QtCreator ?
[19:03] <Riddell> yes, instead of bugs.kde.org
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yes, but instead of KDE i write, QtCreator right?
[19:04] <Riddell> yes
[19:04] <shadeslayer> anyother issue?
[19:04] <Riddell> claydoh: ping
[19:04] <Riddell> claydoh: any release announcement?
[19:15] <Riddell> claydoh: ah, lovely found it
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think i can make rekonq open our txt.gz files, but let me investigate some more :)
[19:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/RaBIt
[19:32] <Riddell> ooh
[19:32] <Riddell> what did you change?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> kcmshell4  filetypes
[19:32] <Riddell> mm hmm?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> and from there go to x-gzip under applications > add rekonq there
[19:33] <shadeslayer> and put it above ark
[19:33] <Riddell> hmm, dunno if we want that as a general solution
[19:33] <shadeslayer> oh yeah, its a hack :)
[19:33] <Riddell> it's only useful if the unzipped file is a type rekonq can read
[19:34] <shadeslayer> also... i have no idea if it will mess with a user opening a file which is a x-gzip file but not a txt.gz
[19:34] <Riddell> right
[19:34] <Riddell> and we don't necessarily want rekonq to pop up if you're opening such a file locally
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yus
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw i have that expense form for UDS, do i need to take a printout of that or send it via email? do i need to get it signed by someone @ UDS ?
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: self.confDialogue.show_difference_button.setEnabled(False) is your part of the update-manager change, right?
[19:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in the UK we fill it in and e-mail to the admin staff who then send the money to our bank accounts.  not sure if they can do a direct transfer to an Indian account so maybe you should fill it in at the end of UDS, you'd need to check
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you test to see if the bits mvo added right after that might solve the problem?
[19:53] <ScottK> +        # workaround silly dpkg 
[19:53] <ScottK> +        if not os.path.exists(current):
[19:53] <ScottK> +          current = current+".dpkg-dist"
[19:54] <ScottK> It seems related.
[19:54] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that's my bit.  mvo said his change there wouldn't affect it
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.  So much for that hope then.
[19:54] <ScottK> No, wait.
[19:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm wondering if mvo's change might solve the underlying problem.
[19:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for dinner in the evening there is a set amount we can claim and no receipts are needed, for other expenses such as if you take a taxi from the airport then you need a receipt
[19:55] <Riddell> ScottK: why would it?
[19:55] <ScottK> If it's getting handed the wrong FD I can imagine something hanging and going boom.
[19:56] <Riddell> ScottK: annoyingly I can't recreate the problem on a virtual machine
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm.. i booked my flight tickets seprately, so need to get the details cleared about those, BTS was over-charging wayy to much, i think i saved canonical a neat 400 euros 
[19:56] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  That makes it kind of tought.
[19:56] <ScottK> tough
[19:56] <Riddell> ScottK: so I need to reinstall a real machine and test it, I can try it with only mvo's change
[19:56] <ScottK> OK.
[19:56] <ScottK> I'll accept it.
[19:56] <Riddell> ScottK: it'll take some hours though so I think it would be good to have this in maverick-proposed anyway for now
[19:57] <Riddell> we can always delete it if mvo is wrong and his fix doesn't stop the random crash and reupload with only his change
[19:57] <ScottK> ok.
[19:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so you'll need to check how they can reimburse someone from India.  we do have employees in India I think so maybe a direct transfer can be done
[19:57] <Riddell> but maybe not
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you have employees in india? :O
[19:58] <shadeslayer> thats news for me :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> of course, i dont know everyone who works for canonical, but yeah, thats the first time im hearing that canonical has employees here
[19:59] <Riddell> we have a couple, one "OEM Channel Manager" and one "Field Engineer" whatever they are
[19:59] <shadeslayer> hmm ... 
[21:06] <shadeslayer> lol .. i just found something amazing
[21:06] <shadeslayer> hold on
[21:07] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/YHooK
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[21:19] <ulysses> Is there any release notes in the wiki?
[21:19] <ulysses> found
[21:29] <Riddell> ScottK: DistUpgrade error found, mvo's fix won't help, bug 656876
[21:32] <ScottK> OK.
[21:33] <ScottK> I can do a hardware upgrade to Maverick later tonight.
[21:52] <lex79> uhm I can't install sun-java6-jre with kpackagekit http://imagebin.ca/view/M_LBpAx3.html
[22:06] <lex79> it works with Muon
[22:12] <Riddell> proofreaders needed https://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-new
[22:12] <Riddell> proofreaders needed http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-new
[22:20] <ulysses> Riddell: last line there's an extra space: „Links: Kubuntu 10.10 ports .”
[22:20] <Riddell> ulysses: extra space where?
[22:21] <ulysses> between 10.10 and the .
[22:22] <Riddell> fixed
[22:23] <sabdfl> home stretch...
[22:28] <Riddell> sabdfl: still a load of release announcements and upgrade tests to do but the end is in sight!
[22:30] <jjesse> Riddell: just a note to sya that i'm really enjoy maverick, loved the fact i didn't have to do anything special for my wifi drivers :)  just worked out of the box
[22:30] <Riddell> jjesse: yay :)
[22:30] <sabdfl> kind you you to say so, jjesse. folks in #ubuntu-kernel might deserve a shout too on the wifi front
[22:31] <Riddell> jjesse: did you update the Kubuntu chapter of the Official Ubuntu Book for 10.10?
[22:32] <jjesse> was unaware there was an update of the book for 10.10, another new version?
[22:32] <Riddell> jjesse: I've no idea, don't they update it for each release now?
[22:32] <jjesse> not that i am aware of
[22:33] <jjesse> seems the version for 10.04 just released ;)
[22:33] <Riddell> well it'll be current for another 12 hours :)
[22:35] <jjesse> yeah i know that
[22:36] <jjesse> Riddell:  on the download-new doc under mobile technology preview is there a reason "it is currently at an early stage" is a new sentence 
[22:36] <jjesse> thought it would read better as an and
[22:36] <jjesse> and is currently at an early stage
[22:36] <jjesse> brb
[22:46] <Riddell> jjesse: updated
[23:03] <ScottK> Riddell: For this test upgrade, if I install the update-manager from proposed and then kick off the upgrade using that, it should work, right?
[23:05] <Riddell> ScottK: no
[23:05] <Riddell> you need to download the DistUpgrade tool
[23:05] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  How do I test this then?
[23:05] <ScottK> Oh.
[23:06] <ScottK> Which is where?
[23:06] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/maverick.tar.gz
[23:06] <Riddell> but for you...
[23:06] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/maverick.tar.gz
[23:06] <Riddell> ScottK: but I have a better potential fix which I'm testing now
[23:06] <ScottK> OK.
[23:06] <Riddell> so if you can test the workaround version in maverick-proposed that would be good
[23:06] <Riddell> incase this better workaround doesn't work
[23:06] <ScottK> Will do.
[23:07] <Riddell> I'm trying doing "-im" "unset" to stop it loading the plugin
[23:07] <geneiros> hi there everyone...
[23:08] <Riddell> good evening geneiros 
[23:08] <geneiros> hi there Riddell nice to meet you...
[23:08] <geneiros> what is the purpose of this channel??
[23:08] <Riddell> to coordinate Kubuntu development
[23:09] <geneiros> can i make questions about a problem that affects kubuntu 10.10 rc
[23:10] <Riddell> you can
[23:10] <geneiros> i have installed since it came out the rc edition...
[23:11] <geneiros> and today i noticed that my xorg went from 60mb to 140 in no time....and now it continuos to increase...now it is stable...but...
[23:11] <geneiros> i have no applications other than quassel
[23:11] <geneiros> it should decrease the memory used no?
[23:12] <geneiros> is this the same bug that affected lucid with gems objects?
[23:16] <Riddell> geneiros: I'm afraid we mostly just do KDE here, we're not the X packagers
[23:17] <geneiros> ok...
[23:17] <ScottK> geneiros: You might try in #ubuntu-x
[23:17] <geneiros> ok...thanks ScottK
[23:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I can verify the don't crash if the free space test fails fix works.
[23:23] <Riddell> oh good
[23:23] <Riddell> ScottK: unfortunately the -im unset idea didn't work
[23:23] <Riddell> going to try again using an environment variable
[23:23] <ScottK> OK.
[23:24] <Riddell> another idea would be to show a text area at the start then hide it, that'll load the input plugin before qt gets upgraded
[23:25] <Riddell> this may be an all nighter...
[23:32] <ScottK> OK.  I think I have room now ....
[23:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the "show terminal" option supposed to be grayed out?
[23:34] <Riddell> ScottK: it is during the download, there's nothing to show at that stage
[23:34] <ScottK> OK
[23:35] <ScottK> All good then.
[23:35] <Riddell> but the "show a text area at the start" option would involve showing and hiding that at the start to get the im plugin loaded
[23:36] <ScottK> adept_manager: no process found
[23:36] <ScottK> adept_updater: no process found
[23:36] <ScottK> Looks like some old code still in there.
[23:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Assuming my verification works out, what would you think of going ahead and copying the current workaround to -updates even though you may get a better one later?  That way people who upgrade in the mean time don't get busted upgrades.
[23:44] <Riddell> ScottK: that's fine
[23:45] <ScottK> OK.  Just about done downloading packages.   I'll let you know how it goes.
[23:48] <Riddell> proofreaders needed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:48] <Riddell> ScottK: I take it you changed the release update prompt from LTS to normal?
[23:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I just ran the upgrade tool
[23:50] <Riddell> ScottK: you need to edit a conffile to get the prompt
[23:50] <ScottK> Oh.
[23:50] <Riddell> edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[23:50] <Riddell> set prompt=normal
[23:51] <Riddell> do not use an upper case character
[23:51] <ScottK> At this point, I'm past the point of no return.  It will be what it will be.
[23:51] <ScottK> I never seem to get past an upgrade without getting prompted for something, so I'm sure it'll come up.
[23:51] <Riddell> ScottK: well you can just edit it now on the command line
[23:53] <ScottK> IM
[23:53] <ScottK> OK
[23:53] <ScottK> Done
[23:54] <will_1987> Riddel: Upgrade page looks fine to me
[23:55] <will_1987> opps missed an l on your name, its late :)
[23:56] <Riddell> thanks will_1987, tab completion is a useful habit to use on IRC :)
[23:57] <will_1987> Ohh didnt realise that, never really used IRC before