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Tir_EoghanIt keeps on blowing my mind how complete this OS really is, I'm searching for additional functions online that I used to have with windows, and find out that particular program is built into another program... wow03:54
Tir_Eoghanerr.. function is built into another program already on the os03:55
head_victimDoes anyone know of a "main notification" panel application that works under lubuntu?10:43
head_victimmain should be mail sorry10:43
kosaidpohello11:43
W3ird_N3rdjust wondering is this is a known issue, I installed Lubuntu 10.04, had the kernel updated from 2.6.32-21 to 2.6.32-25 and when I boot that kernel, it just seems to end up in a kernel panic during boot11:49
W3ird_N3rdcaps/scroll blinking on keyboard11:49
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: try to boot from the recover mode11:52
W3ird_N3rdI admit I didn't try that. I just booted the old kernel again11:54
W3ird_N3rdand I've frozen the kernel package11:55
kosaidpowell lucky u still have the old do never  remove ur old ones11:55
W3ird_N3rdstill strange that such a minor jump would end up in a kernel panic. makes me think something went wrong in the update process12:00
W3ird_N3rdbut otherwise lubuntu is great. I'm now chatting, browsing and listening to music on a Celeron 500Mhz laptop with 384MB RAM. :)12:01
kosaidpohaha yeh me too even lately i noticed its lil slowy tho12:04
kosaidpoor mybe this coolness doesnt feed my needs anymore LOL ( i need sumthin lighter)12:04
bioterrorkosaidpo, arch bang ;)12:07
W3ird_N3rdkosaidpo, DSL :P12:12
kosaidpoyehh  the other day i read abt archlinux but its kinda not easy to install for me12:12
kosaidposince its all in cmd12:12
kosaidpobioterror: archbang its like archlinux in the install12:13
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: dsl ??12:13
W3ird_N3rdyeah\12:13
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: you mean desole12:13
W3ird_N3rdhttp://www.damnsmalllinux.org/12:13
bioterrorkosaidpo, it's more like crunchbang but much better12:13
kosaidpoahh but icant install it via the cmd i need to lear abt partionin and stuff via the cmd12:15
W3ird_N3rdbut I like the fact lubuntu still supports pretty much all stuff I need, like WiFi with WPA2 (within the GUI)12:15
W3ird_N3rdsomething like that won't happen with DSL12:15
bioterrorarchbang uses graphical installer12:16
kosaidpobioterror: ohh isi t lighter then lubuntu and how about the feature  are they like lubuntu ?12:16
W3ird_N3rdtext-based installer, at least the one for Debian and Ubuntu, isn't much harder than the GUI installer. It just doesn't look as pretty.12:17
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: well tthen if thers no gui and other stuff ill end up in blakc screen : D12:17
bioterror:D12:17
W3ird_N3rdI don't know arch, I would assume you get X after installation?12:18
W3ird_N3rdstill, you can get lighter than that12:18
bioterroractually archbang is all against what arch linux itself is all about12:19
W3ird_N3rdmake a minimum debian install and browse with lynx, play music with mpg123..12:19
W3ird_N3rdand IRC with whatever textbased client you can find12:19
bioterror:D12:20
bioterrorwith telnet12:20
bioterrorhaha12:20
bioterrorbrowser web also with telnet12:20
W3ird_N3rddamn12:20
W3ird_N3rdI actually do use lynx sometimes. Not because it's practical but just because I can.12:20
bioterrorI prefer links, but sometimes lynx is more handy12:21
kosaidpowhat telnet what ikno its a protocol is it ?? noob me : (12:22
bioterrortelnet www.google.com 8012:22
bioterrorthen you can say "show" without ""12:23
bioterror:-)12:23
kosaidpobioterror: ???12:23
W3ird_N3rdkosaidpo, you type "telnet www.google.com 80" in a terminal12:25
W3ird_N3rdalthough that's not very useful, it seems you can't give any GET arguments12:26
kosaidpoahh so is t broswer in tht cmd line ?? right ?12:28
W3ird_N3rdno12:28
W3ird_N3rdtry it and you'll understand12:28
kosaidpotelnet: could not resolve http://www.google.com/80: Name or service not known12:29
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: see wht i get12:29
kosaidpoi was right its protocol : )12:29
W3ird_N3rdyou should enter only "telnet www.google.com 80"12:29
W3ird_N3rdno http12:29
W3ird_N3rdwhat did you enter exactly?12:30
kosaidpowell icpy n paste n it replace it with http but now ityped it n its loadin sumthin hang on12:30
bioterror:D12:31
kosaidpoits takin forever tho12:31
W3ird_N3rdwhen it says "escape character is"12:31
W3ird_N3rdyou type "show" and press enter12:31
W3ird_N3rdpersonally I would prefer wget over this solution :P12:32
kosaidpoYour client has issued a malformed or illegal request.12:33
kosaidpohaha i can the html12:33
kosaidpothats so not pretty dude i live in 2010 not 1960 : D12:34
kosaidpoi shud take advantage tho of this progress dont you think ?? uhn12:34
W3ird_N3rdyes12:34
W3ird_N3rdfrom now on you should always browse everything with telnet12:35
W3ird_N3rdso you don't have to buy memory upgrades anymore12:35
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: haha why so noo im not for it im against its ugly12:35
kosaidpothats why  isaid i live in 2010 not 196012:35
kosaidpoas in this is the way for those who lived in this period12:36
W3ird_N3rdwell you're as old as you feel, that's what they say.12:36
kosaidpoW3ird_N3rd: hahaha but not that far to surf the net that way tho12:37
* W3ird_N3rd gotta go\12:41
W3ird_N3rdgood luck in the 1960s :P12:41
TassLehoffhi, salut13:26
TassLehoffis there anybody here who can help me ?13:38
kosaidpohello guys14:11
kosaidpowhich one is good/easy to use and intuitve  and got a big community archbang or crunchbang ?14:12
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KurdistanI my dear friends19:20
slow-motionhi19:21
Kurdistanhey19:24
Kurdistanwill lubuntu release stable beta tomorrow?19:52
bioterrorI think there's no reason to release a new beta becouse we're so close to a new final release19:53
Kurdistanbioterror will the final release come tomorrow?19:56
Kurdistanthe iso19:56
bioterrorhttp://www.ubuntu.com/countdown/banner1.png hoho19:56
bioterrorhttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown19:57
Kurdistanbioterror will lubuntu become official accepted derivate of ubuntu tomorrow?19:57
bioterrorI have no idea19:57
bioterrorI have no connections to canonical :D19:57
Kurdistanbioterror how can I uninstall some application that came preinstalled without uninstalling lubuntu-desktop?19:57
bioterroryou dont have to care about lubuntu-desktop19:58
bioterror!lubuntu-desktop19:58
Kurdistaneven when I have lubuntu 10.04 installed?19:59
Kurdistanso I can uninstall parcellite without make lubuntu-desktop installation again?20:00
Kurdistanthen what is the difference between nvidia-current and  nvidia-current-modaliases?20:00
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop20:01
bioterrorKurdistan, apt-cache show nvidia-current-modaliases20:01
Kurdistanbioterror you recommend?20:02
bioterrorwhat?20:03
Kurdistanwhich do you think is best?20:04
bioterrorI dont have nvidia, I have ati :D20:04
Kurdistanbioterror cool20:05
Kurdistanpeople normally have problem with ati under linux20:05
bioterrorI have 4350 or what ever and using hdradeon drivers20:05
bioterrorno problems20:05
Kurdistancool20:05
Kurdistanbioterror I hope lubuntu control center will come up20:07
bioterrorit disappeared :D20:07
Kurdistanxubuntu have really nice one'20:07
Kurdistanhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/lubuntu-desktop-ppa/20:08
KurdistanI hope this will be pre-installed20:08
Kurdistanlooks really great20:08
bioterroryeah20:08
ayush1why isn't lubuntu an official derivative yet?20:09
Kurdistanayush1 becuase it must become more stable I think and live up to the ubuntu standard20:09
KurdistanI think people here talked about 11.04 it will be official derivate20:10
ayush1I see20:10
Kurdistanayush1, lubuntu is good if you like fast and light desktop20:11
Kurdistanand minimalistic20:11
ayush1Kurdistan: yes. i have an old computer which needs lubuntu20:12
Kurdistanif you want more things preinstalled ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu comes with more application preinstalled20:12
ayush1so how many more hours? any idea?20:12
Kurdistanayush1 then lubuntu is the perfect one for you20:12
Kurdistanor xubuntu20:12
KurdistanI tried out pclinuxos 2010 lxde edition and it was slow20:13
Kurdistanbut it did fined my drivers and installed it20:13
Kurdistanayush1 for me I install from livecd with my usb20:13
bioterrorarchbang is fast as hell, salix is too pretty damn fast20:13
Kurdistaninstallation takes max 15 min for me20:14
Kurdistanthen install things you like add 10-15 min20:14
Kurdistanfinished20:14
Kurdistanand tweak20:14
Kurdistandone :)20:14
Kurdistanbioterror archbang is derivate of arch? then it is rolling release?20:15
bioterroryes20:15
Kurdistanbioterror do they use lxde or openbox?20:15
bioterroropenbox20:15
Kurdistanokey20:15
bioterrorthey tried lxde, but dropped it20:15
Kurdistanis it faster then lubuntu on boot-time?20:15
bioterrorcould be20:16
Kurdistanarch is really geeky is archbang like arch? not user-friendly?20:16
KurdistanI think salix is also geeky?20:17
bioterrorwell20:18
bioterrorlubuntu is too :)20:18
bioterrormy laptops batteri drained20:19
bioterrorgotta use phone20:19
highvoltageayush1: I believe lubuntu will have to be built on canonical's infrastructure before it would be considered20:23
sneekyhi guys20:34
bioterrorhi20:34
sneekythanks for that bio20:34
sneekylinuxthanks for that bio,was just doing a test video..20:37
bioterrorokay20:38
bioterrorhope my nick looks good on it20:38
bioterrormaybe I should have used capital letters :D20:38
ayush1sneekylinux: nice youtube channel you have :)20:39
sneekylinuxmaybe,as the fonts were not too good,but at least you replied and will be on screen tomorrow20:39
sneekylinuxta mate20:39
bioterror:-)20:39
sneekylinuxi do have lubuntu on a test machine by the way,and all is good at the moment20:40
bioterroryeah, 10.10 with lastest packages is awesome20:40
sneekylinuxi do find that lubuntu,because it is so light runs my video editing stuff a lot better too20:41
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leszekhi20:53
Kurdistanhey leszek20:54
Kurdistandear lubuntu user have you guys made up your mineds about lxde control center in maverick?20:57
leszekit won't be included in maverick as far as I know20:58
leszekwe have lubuntu control center in the ppas20:58
Kurdistanleszek so I need to add ppa for lubuntu control center?20:59
Kurdistanwhy can you guy make it preinstalled?20:59
leszekbecause it isn't in the official ubuntu repo and it didn't make it before freeze21:00
Kurdistanleszek can I use the control center in lubuntu 10.04?21:01
leszekyes21:02
Kurdistanwere is the ppa?21:02
leszekhttps://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa21:09
Kurdistanleszek I have lubuntu 10.0421:10
Kurdistanwhy can I not see it in synaptic?21:11
leszekbecause its in the maverick repo21:12
KurdistanI see21:12
Kurdistanwhen I install lubuntu maverick21:13
leszekjust download it from here directly: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lubuntu-control-center/lubuntu-control-center_0.3~ppa1_all.deb21:13
KurdistanI can from synaptic install lubuntu control center?21:13
leszek& lxkeymap from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lxkeymap/lxkeymap_0.2~ppa2_all.deb21:13
leszekand lxproxy from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lxproxy/lxproxy_0.1~ppa1_all.deb21:13
leszekjust download the debs and install them and then you get lubuntu control center + lxkeymap21:14
Kurdistannice21:14
KurdistanI will see how it looks21:14
Kurdistanlescek when I install nvidia common. then install nvidia current, moadalis.. something comes up21:15
Kurdistanwhy not only nvidia current?21:15
Kurdistanleszek nice control center21:18
KurdistanI hope lubuntu can fined inspiration from xubuntu control center21:18
leszek:)21:19
leszekKurdistan: sry I don't get the nvidia question21:20
Kurdistanleszek, when install nvidia common21:20
Kurdistanbecuase when I take fined hardware on lubuntu it fineds nothing21:21
KurdistanI must install nvidia common21:21
leszekreally !? interesting. Normally it should find your nvidia hardware and offer you to install the driver automatically21:22
Kurdistanthen when I install nvidia current it is nvidia-current-modaliases that is installed and not nvidia-current21:23
leszekhmm... strange21:24
leszekisn't there an nvidia-glx package ?21:24
Kurdistanyes there is but not installed21:25
leszekthe nvidia-current is a normal package that does not require the modaliases package21:25
leszekare you installing it with apt-get ?21:25
Kurdistanleszek no with hardware drivers and then pick nvidia current21:26
Kurdistanwhen I look it up it is nvidia-current modaliases that is installed21:26
Kurdistanmaybe it explans why it is so slow when I use the closed21:27
leszekif you have a current nvidia card install it with synaptic or apt-get21:27
Kurdistanleszek so you recommend apt-get or synaptic?21:27
leszekits basically the same21:29
leszekuse the one you like more21:29
Kurdistanokey. :) will try brb.21:29
Kurdistanleszek now I can dont have nvidia control center. the green thing.21:47
phillwgilir: szczur I'm not too sure where we are up to on this one, but could someone take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1591277  Thanks22:21
Kurdistanphillw :) welcome22:28
phillwhiyas Kurdistan22:29
Kurdistanevery thing fined with you my friend22:29
Kurdistan:) I did take look on lubuntu control panel22:30
phillwsmiling both ends ;-)22:30
Kurdistanreally polished but not good like xfce control center in xubuntu22:30
bioterrorahhh phillw ol' mate ;)22:30
gilirphillw, seems more an amarok problem than a lubuntu one22:30
bioterrorI've been missing you as a child of light who guides our little friends who has lost the trail from the path of light22:30
phillwgilir: if you could reply, it was the forum staff member who posted me to have a look at it, as you know; if the staff people ask me, I am duty bound to seek a reply :)22:32
Kurdistanlol you guys are funny like hell :)22:32
Kurdistanbrb22:32
* phillw waves to bioterror22:32
gilirphillw, ok, but I'm quite busy now, I'll do it later22:41
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phillwgilir: appreciated :)22:41
Kurdistanhmm nvidia-current does not show option-nvidia green thing :)22:49
Kurdistannvidia-current-modaliases only shows22:49
Kurdistannvidia x server setting is the name22:51
Kurdistandoes any body know why?22:51
phillwKurdistan: I'm sorry I cannot help on nvidia issues22:56
Kurdistanfritte välkommen :)22:56
|friTTe|thx22:56
|friTTe|fresh 10.10 beta 2 install done, the gui way22:57
phillw|friTTe|: only a couple of days to go until Julien releases the final 10.10 beta ;-)22:59
|friTTe|phillw,  yeah22:59
|friTTe|guess i can make an update then22:59
Kurdistanphillw :) lubuntu control center can be installed from lubuntu maverick repo22:59
phillwbut you will be automatically get any updates for that release.22:59
|friTTe|yeah23:00
Kurdistanpolished but not so good yet23:00
|friTTe|did the ubiquity live cd this time23:00
|friTTe|loked good and worked nice23:00
phillwKurdistan: tbh, the developers have been concentrating on stability, the eye candy (making it look pretty) is important, but further down the list :)23:01
Kurdistanphillw mean the function23:01
Kurdistanxubuntus control center is the best control center in all buntu derivates23:01
Kurdistanit is really close to mandrivas one23:02
Kurdistanmandriva have the best one out there23:02
phillwas I'm a cli person, I don't tend to use control centers; but i appreciate that they are important.23:02
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Kurdistanphillw I understand. In xubuntu much of the goddies is included in the control center.23:03
Kurdistanyou can almonst do everything from there23:03
Kurdistanreally easy for newbie23:04
Kurdistanbut lubuntu works fine :)23:04
|friTTe|whats that name for the tool for menuchanging?23:06
Kurdistanfritte you mean openbox konfig.?23:06
tenochslbhow is lubuntu project coming along? you think it will work on a p4 with 512 mB of ram?23:07
Kurdistanteno, yes it will.23:07
Kurdistanit is really light23:07
|friTTe|obmenu23:08
Tir_Eoghanit will fly on that tenoch, mines a 400mhz celeron with 182mb's ram.. and it works like a dream23:08
* Tir_Eoghan complete newbie as well23:09
phillwtenochslb: lubuntu has far more room than it needs on 512MB :) It will be a very happy baby :D23:09
phillwtenochslb: "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu."23:10
tenochslbphillw, so where are the mirrors?23:11
tenochslbwhich version do you recommend?23:11
phillwtenochslb: 10.10 is due out in a couple of days, I have a mirror for the 10.04 on my server; but tbh - It's worth waiting a couple of days.23:12
tenochslbok23:12
tenochslbi will wait23:12
Tir_EoghanIt's currently useing 112mb's of ram on my system.. Thats with xchat running with two chatrooms, chromium up, and xfce4 running (plus whatever necessary system stuff)23:12
phillwthe devs have made a lot of changes. the 10.10 beta2 is available via torrent,23:12
phillwthat will auto update on final release.23:13
* Tir_Eoghan goes to download 10.10 beta 223:13
Tir_Eoghan10.10 is even leaner and faster, right phill?23:14
|friTTe|go with that Tir_Eoghan23:14
|friTTe|im on a newly installed one now23:14
phillwthere is an option, via minimal install, to not include all the packages that lubuntu ships. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing23:14
phillwthey have removed some stuff that just does not work, as pcmanfm takes more of the 'strain' of things like samba support.23:15
Tir_Eoghan|friTTe|, will do, I'm anxious to get flash off of this baby.. I installed that to see if it would ruin the OS, and it didn't but I still don't like having it on here.23:15
Kurdistanbrb guys/girl this computer needs reboot23:16
phillwTir_Eoghan: you still need flash for some sites, html5 is still in early days of adoption.23:16
Tir_Eoghanphillw, I can wait, I really cant stand flash23:16
Tir_EoghanIn my estimation it's like willingly installing a trojan on your computer23:17
|friTTe|phillw,  this install seems to be smoother than the minimal, had alot of bugs23:17
|friTTe|now i just need to tweak and config to my liking23:17
phillw|friTTe|: the minimal was a 1st attempt, it is part of the project goal to have a minimal iso available; but it takes up time from the developers. The exisiting one is what I 'threw together' to get around the RAM requirements of ubiquity. With the 10.10 comes a newer desktop package that can be added.23:20
|friTTe|aa ok23:20
|friTTe|well it fast a fast installation and it worked =)23:20
Tir_Eoghanwheres the best place to get the torrent, I found one omgubuntu.co.uk but unsure if thats the best place23:22
phillw|friTTe|: please remember that lubuntu is still a young project, and there is a only a few people able to devote time to its development. Myself and Zach try like crazy to keep the documentation upto date, but I'm not a programmer23:22
phillwTir_Eoghan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-beta2.iso.torrent  should have it.23:23
Tir_Eoghanthanks phillw23:23
|friTTe|phillw,  i now bro, the team is doing an awesome job with the os23:24
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|friTTe|and you guys with the docu23:24
phillwI have the beta1 on my server area, you can get it from there and just update it if the torrent is not 'playing'23:24
|friTTe|i got a soft spot for lubuntu =) running Standard buntu on my maincomputer23:24
|friTTe|but lu is something special23:25
phillwIt has a lot of goodwill from the *buntu family towards it; I know that from my interactions with people who do things like approve the bots on here. We're not officially recognised yet but I am always treated by such people as if we are, as they know it the goal for lubuntu.23:27
Tir_Eoghanwhats the benefit of getting recognized officially? besides the obvious recognition23:30
phillwTir_Eoghan: it is the official endorsement from Canonical, along with server access for the iso's etc. :)23:32
Tir_Eoghanah, I see. So it essentially just makes it a lot easier to get it out to people23:32
* phillw is scared for when we get it, coz this room will get really busy :)23:32
Tir_Eoghanhehe, that is a scary thought..23:33
phillwso all of you who have been helping test it are expected to help out n00bs :P23:33
Tir_Eoghanwhew, dodged a bullet there. Can't stand noobs, after all I know them too well.. it's kind of a self hate sort of thing23:34
phillwit's one of the reasons for the creation of #lubuntu-offtopic23:34
phillwwhich is where we should be having this chat :P23:36
Tir_Eoghanhehe23:36
phillw#lubuntu will become a support channel.23:37

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