[03:54] <Tir_Eoghan> It keeps on blowing my mind how complete this OS really is, I'm searching for additional functions online that I used to have with windows, and find out that particular program is built into another program... wow
[03:55] <Tir_Eoghan> err.. function is built into another program already on the os
[10:43] <head_victim> Does anyone know of a "main notification" panel application that works under lubuntu?
[10:43] <head_victim> main should be mail sorry
[11:43] <kosaidpo> hello
[11:49] <W3ird_N3rd> just wondering is this is a known issue, I installed Lubuntu 10.04, had the kernel updated from 2.6.32-21 to 2.6.32-25 and when I boot that kernel, it just seems to end up in a kernel panic during boot
[11:49] <W3ird_N3rd> caps/scroll blinking on keyboard
[11:52] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: try to boot from the recover mode
[11:54] <W3ird_N3rd> I admit I didn't try that. I just booted the old kernel again
[11:55] <W3ird_N3rd> and I've frozen the kernel package
[11:55] <kosaidpo> well lucky u still have the old do never  remove ur old ones
[12:00] <W3ird_N3rd> still strange that such a minor jump would end up in a kernel panic. makes me think something went wrong in the update process
[12:01] <W3ird_N3rd> but otherwise lubuntu is great. I'm now chatting, browsing and listening to music on a Celeron 500Mhz laptop with 384MB RAM. :)
[12:04] <kosaidpo> haha yeh me too even lately i noticed its lil slowy tho
[12:04] <kosaidpo> or mybe this coolness doesnt feed my needs anymore LOL ( i need sumthin lighter)
[12:07] <bioterror> kosaidpo, arch bang ;)
[12:12] <W3ird_N3rd> kosaidpo, DSL :P
[12:12] <kosaidpo> yehh  the other day i read abt archlinux but its kinda not easy to install for me
[12:12] <kosaidpo> since its all in cmd
[12:13] <kosaidpo> bioterror: archbang its like archlinux in the install
[12:13] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: dsl ??
[12:13] <W3ird_N3rd> yeah\
[12:13] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: you mean desole
[12:13] <W3ird_N3rd> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[12:13] <bioterror> kosaidpo, it's more like crunchbang but much better
[12:15] <kosaidpo> ahh but icant install it via the cmd i need to lear abt partionin and stuff via the cmd
[12:15] <W3ird_N3rd> but I like the fact lubuntu still supports pretty much all stuff I need, like WiFi with WPA2 (within the GUI)
[12:15] <W3ird_N3rd> something like that won't happen with DSL
[12:16] <bioterror> archbang uses graphical installer
[12:16] <kosaidpo> bioterror: ohh isi t lighter then lubuntu and how about the feature  are they like lubuntu ?
[12:17] <W3ird_N3rd> text-based installer, at least the one for Debian and Ubuntu, isn't much harder than the GUI installer. It just doesn't look as pretty.
[12:17] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: well tthen if thers no gui and other stuff ill end up in blakc screen : D
[12:17] <bioterror> :D
[12:18] <W3ird_N3rd> I don't know arch, I would assume you get X after installation?
[12:18] <W3ird_N3rd> still, you can get lighter than that
[12:19] <bioterror> actually archbang is all against what arch linux itself is all about
[12:19] <W3ird_N3rd> make a minimum debian install and browse with lynx, play music with mpg123..
[12:19] <W3ird_N3rd> and IRC with whatever textbased client you can find
[12:20] <bioterror> :D
[12:20] <bioterror> with telnet
[12:20] <bioterror> haha
[12:20] <bioterror> browser web also with telnet
[12:20] <W3ird_N3rd> damn
[12:20] <W3ird_N3rd> I actually do use lynx sometimes. Not because it's practical but just because I can.
[12:21] <bioterror> I prefer links, but sometimes lynx is more handy
[12:22] <kosaidpo> what telnet what ikno its a protocol is it ?? noob me : (
[12:22] <bioterror> telnet www.google.com 80
[12:23] <bioterror> then you can say "show" without ""
[12:23] <bioterror> :-)
[12:23] <kosaidpo> bioterror: ???
[12:25] <W3ird_N3rd> kosaidpo, you type "telnet www.google.com 80" in a terminal
[12:26] <W3ird_N3rd> although that's not very useful, it seems you can't give any GET arguments
[12:28] <kosaidpo> ahh so is t broswer in tht cmd line ?? right ?
[12:28] <W3ird_N3rd> no
[12:28] <W3ird_N3rd> try it and you'll understand
[12:29] <kosaidpo> telnet: could not resolve http://www.google.com/80: Name or service not known
[12:29] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: see wht i get
[12:29] <kosaidpo> i was right its protocol : )
[12:29] <W3ird_N3rd> you should enter only "telnet www.google.com 80"
[12:29] <W3ird_N3rd> no http
[12:30] <W3ird_N3rd> what did you enter exactly?
[12:30] <kosaidpo> well icpy n paste n it replace it with http but now ityped it n its loadin sumthin hang on
[12:31] <bioterror> :D
[12:31] <kosaidpo> its takin forever tho
[12:31] <W3ird_N3rd> when it says "escape character is"
[12:31] <W3ird_N3rd> you type "show" and press enter
[12:32] <W3ird_N3rd> personally I would prefer wget over this solution :P
[12:33] <kosaidpo> Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request.
[12:33] <kosaidpo> haha i can the html
[12:34] <kosaidpo> thats so not pretty dude i live in 2010 not 1960 : D
[12:34] <kosaidpo> i shud take advantage tho of this progress dont you think ?? uhn
[12:34] <W3ird_N3rd> yes
[12:35] <W3ird_N3rd> from now on you should always browse everything with telnet
[12:35] <W3ird_N3rd> so you don't have to buy memory upgrades anymore
[12:35] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: haha why so noo im not for it im against its ugly
[12:35] <kosaidpo> thats why  isaid i live in 2010 not 1960
[12:36] <kosaidpo> as in this is the way for those who lived in this period
[12:36] <W3ird_N3rd> well you're as old as you feel, that's what they say.
[12:37] <kosaidpo> W3ird_N3rd: hahaha but not that far to surf the net that way tho
[12:41]  * W3ird_N3rd gotta go\
[12:41] <W3ird_N3rd> good luck in the 1960s :P
[13:26] <TassLehoff> hi, salut
[13:38] <TassLehoff> is there anybody here who can help me ?
[14:11] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[14:12] <kosaidpo> which one is good/easy to use and intuitve  and got a big community archbang or crunchbang ?
[19:20] <Kurdistan> I my dear friends
[19:21] <slow-motion> hi
[19:24] <Kurdistan> hey
[19:52] <Kurdistan> will lubuntu release stable beta tomorrow?
[19:53] <bioterror> I think there's no reason to release a new beta becouse we're so close to a new final release
[19:56] <Kurdistan> bioterror will the final release come tomorrow?
[19:56] <Kurdistan> the iso
[19:56] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/countdown/banner1.png hoho
[19:57] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[19:57] <Kurdistan> bioterror will lubuntu become official accepted derivate of ubuntu tomorrow?
[19:57] <bioterror> I have no idea
[19:57] <bioterror> I have no connections to canonical :D
[19:57] <Kurdistan> bioterror how can I uninstall some application that came preinstalled without uninstalling lubuntu-desktop?
[19:58] <bioterror> you dont have to care about lubuntu-desktop
[19:58] <bioterror> !lubuntu-desktop
[19:59] <Kurdistan> even when I have lubuntu 10.04 installed?
[20:00] <Kurdistan> so I can uninstall parcellite without make lubuntu-desktop installation again?
[20:00] <Kurdistan> then what is the difference between nvidia-current and  nvidia-current-modaliases?
[20:01] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop
[20:01] <bioterror> Kurdistan, apt-cache show nvidia-current-modaliases
[20:02] <Kurdistan> bioterror you recommend?
[20:03] <bioterror> what?
[20:04] <Kurdistan> which do you think is best?
[20:04] <bioterror> I dont have nvidia, I have ati :D
[20:05] <Kurdistan> bioterror cool
[20:05] <Kurdistan> people normally have problem with ati under linux
[20:05] <bioterror> I have 4350 or what ever and using hdradeon drivers
[20:05] <bioterror> no problems
[20:05] <Kurdistan> cool
[20:07] <Kurdistan> bioterror I hope lubuntu control center will come up
[20:07] <bioterror> it disappeared :D
[20:07] <Kurdistan> xubuntu have really nice one'
[20:08] <Kurdistan> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/lubuntu-desktop-ppa/
[20:08] <Kurdistan> I hope this will be pre-installed
[20:08] <Kurdistan> looks really great
[20:08] <bioterror> yeah
[20:09] <ayush1> why isn't lubuntu an official derivative yet?
[20:09] <Kurdistan> ayush1 becuase it must become more stable I think and live up to the ubuntu standard
[20:10] <Kurdistan> I think people here talked about 11.04 it will be official derivate
[20:10] <ayush1> I see
[20:11] <Kurdistan> ayush1, lubuntu is good if you like fast and light desktop
[20:11] <Kurdistan> and minimalistic
[20:12] <ayush1> Kurdistan: yes. i have an old computer which needs lubuntu
[20:12] <Kurdistan> if you want more things preinstalled ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu comes with more application preinstalled
[20:12] <ayush1> so how many more hours? any idea?
[20:12] <Kurdistan> ayush1 then lubuntu is the perfect one for you
[20:12] <Kurdistan> or xubuntu
[20:13] <Kurdistan> I tried out pclinuxos 2010 lxde edition and it was slow
[20:13] <Kurdistan> but it did fined my drivers and installed it
[20:13] <Kurdistan> ayush1 for me I install from livecd with my usb
[20:13] <bioterror> archbang is fast as hell, salix is too pretty damn fast
[20:14] <Kurdistan> installation takes max 15 min for me
[20:14] <Kurdistan> then install things you like add 10-15 min
[20:14] <Kurdistan> finished
[20:14] <Kurdistan> and tweak
[20:14] <Kurdistan> done :)
[20:15] <Kurdistan> bioterror archbang is derivate of arch? then it is rolling release?
[20:15] <bioterror> yes
[20:15] <Kurdistan> bioterror do they use lxde or openbox?
[20:15] <bioterror> openbox
[20:15] <Kurdistan> okey
[20:15] <bioterror> they tried lxde, but dropped it
[20:15] <Kurdistan> is it faster then lubuntu on boot-time?
[20:16] <bioterror> could be
[20:16] <Kurdistan> arch is really geeky is archbang like arch? not user-friendly?
[20:17] <Kurdistan> I think salix is also geeky?
[20:18] <bioterror> well
[20:18] <bioterror> lubuntu is too :)
[20:19] <bioterror> my laptops batteri drained
[20:19] <bioterror> gotta use phone
[20:23] <highvoltage> ayush1: I believe lubuntu will have to be built on canonical's infrastructure before it would be considered
[20:34] <sneeky> hi guys
[20:34] <bioterror> hi
[20:34] <sneeky> thanks for that bio
[20:37] <sneekylinux> thanks for that bio,was just doing a test video..
[20:38] <bioterror> okay
[20:38] <bioterror> hope my nick looks good on it
[20:38] <bioterror> maybe I should have used capital letters :D
[20:39] <ayush1> sneekylinux: nice youtube channel you have :)
[20:39] <sneekylinux> maybe,as the fonts were not too good,but at least you replied and will be on screen tomorrow
[20:39] <sneekylinux> ta mate
[20:39] <bioterror> :-)
[20:40] <sneekylinux> i do have lubuntu on a test machine by the way,and all is good at the moment
[20:40] <bioterror> yeah, 10.10 with lastest packages is awesome
[20:41] <sneekylinux> i do find that lubuntu,because it is so light runs my video editing stuff a lot better too
[20:53] <leszek> hi
[20:54] <Kurdistan> hey leszek
[20:57] <Kurdistan> dear lubuntu user have you guys made up your mineds about lxde control center in maverick?
[20:58] <leszek> it won't be included in maverick as far as I know
[20:58] <leszek> we have lubuntu control center in the ppas
[20:59] <Kurdistan> leszek so I need to add ppa for lubuntu control center?
[20:59] <Kurdistan> why can you guy make it preinstalled?
[21:00] <leszek> because it isn't in the official ubuntu repo and it didn't make it before freeze
[21:01] <Kurdistan> leszek can I use the control center in lubuntu 10.04?
[21:02] <leszek> yes
[21:02] <Kurdistan> were is the ppa?
[21:09] <leszek> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[21:10] <Kurdistan> leszek I have lubuntu 10.04
[21:11] <Kurdistan> why can I not see it in synaptic?
[21:12] <leszek> because its in the maverick repo
[21:12] <Kurdistan> I see
[21:13] <Kurdistan> when I install lubuntu maverick
[21:13] <leszek> just download it from here directly: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lubuntu-control-center/lubuntu-control-center_0.3~ppa1_all.deb
[21:13] <Kurdistan> I can from synaptic install lubuntu control center?
[21:13] <leszek> & lxkeymap from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lxkeymap/lxkeymap_0.2~ppa2_all.deb
[21:13] <leszek> and lxproxy from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lxproxy/lxproxy_0.1~ppa1_all.deb
[21:14] <leszek> just download the debs and install them and then you get lubuntu control center + lxkeymap
[21:14] <Kurdistan> nice
[21:14] <Kurdistan> I will see how it looks
[21:15] <Kurdistan> lescek when I install nvidia common. then install nvidia current, moadalis.. something comes up
[21:15] <Kurdistan> why not only nvidia current?
[21:18] <Kurdistan> leszek nice control center
[21:18] <Kurdistan> I hope lubuntu can fined inspiration from xubuntu control center
[21:19] <leszek> :)
[21:20] <leszek> Kurdistan: sry I don't get the nvidia question
[21:20] <Kurdistan> leszek, when install nvidia common
[21:21] <Kurdistan> becuase when I take fined hardware on lubuntu it fineds nothing
[21:21] <Kurdistan> I must install nvidia common
[21:22] <leszek> really !? interesting. Normally it should find your nvidia hardware and offer you to install the driver automatically
[21:23] <Kurdistan> then when I install nvidia current it is nvidia-current-modaliases that is installed and not nvidia-current
[21:24] <leszek> hmm... strange
[21:24] <leszek> isn't there an nvidia-glx package ?
[21:25] <Kurdistan> yes there is but not installed
[21:25] <leszek> the nvidia-current is a normal package that does not require the modaliases package
[21:25] <leszek> are you installing it with apt-get ?
[21:26] <Kurdistan> leszek no with hardware drivers and then pick nvidia current
[21:26] <Kurdistan> when I look it up it is nvidia-current modaliases that is installed
[21:27] <Kurdistan> maybe it explans why it is so slow when I use the closed
[21:27] <leszek> if you have a current nvidia card install it with synaptic or apt-get
[21:27] <Kurdistan> leszek so you recommend apt-get or synaptic?
[21:29] <leszek> its basically the same
[21:29] <leszek> use the one you like more
[21:29] <Kurdistan> okey. :) will try brb.
[21:47] <Kurdistan> leszek now I can dont have nvidia control center. the green thing.
[22:21] <phillw> gilir: szczur I'm not too sure where we are up to on this one, but could someone take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1591277  Thanks
[22:28] <Kurdistan> phillw :) welcome
[22:29] <phillw> hiyas Kurdistan
[22:29] <Kurdistan> every thing fined with you my friend
[22:30] <Kurdistan> :) I did take look on lubuntu control panel
[22:30] <phillw> smiling both ends ;-)
[22:30] <Kurdistan> really polished but not good like xfce control center in xubuntu
[22:30] <bioterror> ahhh phillw ol' mate ;)
[22:30] <gilir> phillw, seems more an amarok problem than a lubuntu one
[22:30] <bioterror> I've been missing you as a child of light who guides our little friends who has lost the trail from the path of light
[22:32] <phillw> gilir: if you could reply, it was the forum staff member who posted me to have a look at it, as you know; if the staff people ask me, I am duty bound to seek a reply :)
[22:32] <Kurdistan> lol you guys are funny like hell :)
[22:32] <Kurdistan> brb
[22:32]  * phillw waves to bioterror
[22:41] <gilir> phillw, ok, but I'm quite busy now, I'll do it later
[22:41] <phillw> gilir: appreciated :)
[22:49] <Kurdistan> hmm nvidia-current does not show option-nvidia green thing :)
[22:49] <Kurdistan> nvidia-current-modaliases only shows
[22:51] <Kurdistan> nvidia x server setting is the name
[22:51] <Kurdistan> does any body know why?
[22:56] <phillw> Kurdistan: I'm sorry I cannot help on nvidia issues
[22:56] <Kurdistan> fritte välkommen :)
[22:56] <|friTTe|> thx
[22:57] <|friTTe|> fresh 10.10 beta 2 install done, the gui way
[22:59] <phillw> |friTTe|: only a couple of days to go until Julien releases the final 10.10 beta ;-)
[22:59] <|friTTe|> phillw,  yeah
[22:59] <|friTTe|> guess i can make an update then
[22:59] <Kurdistan> phillw :) lubuntu control center can be installed from lubuntu maverick repo
[22:59] <phillw> but you will be automatically get any updates for that release.
[23:00] <|friTTe|> yeah
[23:00] <Kurdistan> polished but not so good yet
[23:00] <|friTTe|> did the ubiquity live cd this time
[23:00] <|friTTe|> loked good and worked nice
[23:01] <phillw> Kurdistan: tbh, the developers have been concentrating on stability, the eye candy (making it look pretty) is important, but further down the list :)
[23:01] <Kurdistan> phillw mean the function
[23:01] <Kurdistan> xubuntus control center is the best control center in all buntu derivates
[23:02] <Kurdistan> it is really close to mandrivas one
[23:02] <Kurdistan> mandriva have the best one out there
[23:02] <phillw> as I'm a cli person, I don't tend to use control centers; but i appreciate that they are important.
[23:03] <Kurdistan> phillw I understand. In xubuntu much of the goddies is included in the control center.
[23:03] <Kurdistan> you can almonst do everything from there
[23:04] <Kurdistan> really easy for newbie
[23:04] <Kurdistan> but lubuntu works fine :)
[23:06] <|friTTe|> whats that name for the tool for menuchanging?
[23:06] <Kurdistan> fritte you mean openbox konfig.?
[23:07] <tenochslb> how is lubuntu project coming along? you think it will work on a p4 with 512 mB of ram?
[23:07] <Kurdistan> teno, yes it will.
[23:07] <Kurdistan> it is really light
[23:08] <|friTTe|> obmenu
[23:08] <Tir_Eoghan> it will fly on that tenoch, mines a 400mhz celeron with 182mb's ram.. and it works like a dream
[23:09]  * Tir_Eoghan complete newbie as well
[23:09] <phillw> tenochslb: lubuntu has far more room than it needs on 512MB :) It will be a very happy baby :D
[23:10] <phillw> tenochslb: "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu."
[23:11] <tenochslb> phillw, so where are the mirrors?
[23:11] <tenochslb> which version do you recommend?
[23:12] <phillw> tenochslb: 10.10 is due out in a couple of days, I have a mirror for the 10.04 on my server; but tbh - It's worth waiting a couple of days.
[23:12] <tenochslb> ok
[23:12] <tenochslb> i will wait
[23:12] <Tir_Eoghan> It's currently useing 112mb's of ram on my system.. Thats with xchat running with two chatrooms, chromium up, and xfce4 running (plus whatever necessary system stuff)
[23:12] <phillw> the devs have made a lot of changes. the 10.10 beta2 is available via torrent,
[23:13] <phillw> that will auto update on final release.
[23:13]  * Tir_Eoghan goes to download 10.10 beta 2
[23:14] <Tir_Eoghan> 10.10 is even leaner and faster, right phill?
[23:14] <|friTTe|> go with that Tir_Eoghan
[23:14] <|friTTe|> im on a newly installed one now
[23:14] <phillw> there is an option, via minimal install, to not include all the packages that lubuntu ships. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[23:15] <phillw> they have removed some stuff that just does not work, as pcmanfm takes more of the 'strain' of things like samba support.
[23:15] <Tir_Eoghan> |friTTe|, will do, I'm anxious to get flash off of this baby.. I installed that to see if it would ruin the OS, and it didn't but I still don't like having it on here.
[23:16] <Kurdistan> brb guys/girl this computer needs reboot
[23:16] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you still need flash for some sites, html5 is still in early days of adoption.
[23:16] <Tir_Eoghan> phillw, I can wait, I really cant stand flash
[23:17] <Tir_Eoghan> In my estimation it's like willingly installing a trojan on your computer
[23:17] <|friTTe|> phillw,  this install seems to be smoother than the minimal, had alot of bugs
[23:17] <|friTTe|> now i just need to tweak and config to my liking
[23:20] <phillw> |friTTe|: the minimal was a 1st attempt, it is part of the project goal to have a minimal iso available; but it takes up time from the developers. The exisiting one is what I 'threw together' to get around the RAM requirements of ubiquity. With the 10.10 comes a newer desktop package that can be added.
[23:20] <|friTTe|> aa ok
[23:20] <|friTTe|> well it fast a fast installation and it worked =)
[23:22] <Tir_Eoghan> wheres the best place to get the torrent, I found one omgubuntu.co.uk but unsure if thats the best place
[23:22] <phillw> |friTTe|: please remember that lubuntu is still a young project, and there is a only a few people able to devote time to its development. Myself and Zach try like crazy to keep the documentation upto date, but I'm not a programmer
[23:23] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-beta2.iso.torrent  should have it.
[23:23] <Tir_Eoghan> thanks phillw
[23:24] <|friTTe|> phillw,  i now bro, the team is doing an awesome job with the os
[23:24] <|friTTe|> and you guys with the docu
[23:24] <phillw> I have the beta1 on my server area, you can get it from there and just update it if the torrent is not 'playing'
[23:24] <|friTTe|> i got a soft spot for lubuntu =) running Standard buntu on my maincomputer
[23:25] <|friTTe|> but lu is something special
[23:27] <phillw> It has a lot of goodwill from the *buntu family towards it; I know that from my interactions with people who do things like approve the bots on here. We're not officially recognised yet but I am always treated by such people as if we are, as they know it the goal for lubuntu.
[23:30] <Tir_Eoghan> whats the benefit of getting recognized officially? besides the obvious recognition
[23:32] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: it is the official endorsement from Canonical, along with server access for the iso's etc. :)
[23:32] <Tir_Eoghan> ah, I see. So it essentially just makes it a lot easier to get it out to people
[23:32]  * phillw is scared for when we get it, coz this room will get really busy :)
[23:33] <Tir_Eoghan> hehe, that is a scary thought..
[23:33] <phillw> so all of you who have been helping test it are expected to help out n00bs :P
[23:34] <Tir_Eoghan> whew, dodged a bullet there. Can't stand noobs, after all I know them too well.. it's kind of a self hate sort of thing
[23:34] <phillw> it's one of the reasons for the creation of #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:36] <phillw> which is where we should be having this chat :P
[23:36] <Tir_Eoghan> hehe
[23:37] <phillw> #lubuntu will become a support channel.