[00:22] <intrader> Anyone, brasero has Segmentation fault and I can do apport on account of lack of memory for report.
[00:23] <penguin42> intrader: Did you try moving the gconf files out of the way for it?
[00:33] <ryokea> thoughts on maverick? thinking about downloading a copy to test out in a VM
[00:34] <head_victim> ryanakca: working well for me over the couple of weeks. I've had several different setups in VMs since alphas
[00:34] <head_victim> ryokea: ^ sorry ryanakca
[00:34] <TDoubleDg> who here has the final release?
[00:35] <ryokea> head_victim: it's alright. good to hear it is working well. will have to set a disc aside for the final release in a few days then
[00:35] <bazhang> TDoubleDg, no one
[00:35] <head_victim> TDoubleDg: Doesn't exist yet.
[00:36] <bazhang> TDoubleDg, join the release party to wait for it
[00:36] <bazhang> !party
[00:36] <head_victim> ryokea: or a usb if you can boot off them
[00:37] <ryokea> head_victim: yea, that is a viable option. just loaned out my drive to a friend though and don't have the cash to pick up another gig drive. i have a few CD-RWs handy though
[00:37] <TDoubleDg> !party
[00:38] <head_victim> ryokea: ah k well that will do just fine then.
[00:38] <ryokea> head_victim: yea, it is how i installed 10.04. actually used to have a copy of 9.10 on a usb drive up until i needed the drive for other purposes
[00:39] <head_victim> ryokea: I actually used a USB persistent install on 10.10 for a few weeks on the wife's pc when the hdd failed before I could get another one.
[00:39] <aljosa> i'm running maverick on imac (mid 2010) and i have no sound, any ideas?
[00:39] <aljosa> card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
[00:40] <ryokea> head_victim: oh? nice. if my external hard drive still worked i would still have my persistent usb install as well. the drive failed. luckily it was mostly just a backup drive
[00:41] <edgy> aljosa: did you check alsamixer?
[00:41] <aljosa> edgy:  "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory "
[00:42] <supremo> aljosa: your sound chip's module is not loaded
[00:42] <TDoubleDg> Ok, next question...... I'm a small business IT consultant. Generally, I set people up with 2K8 Server, primarily because of Active Directory. I would like to be able to sell a Linux solution in place of Windows. I think Ubuntu is the distro I want, butI can't find any good resources on setting up a simple server with LDAP/SAMBA type services integrated
[00:42] <edgy> aljosa: then report the bug at #alsa channel or to their mailing list. i also have a similar problem reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/642230 but no one helped  yet
[00:43] <edgy> aljosa: actually after upgrading alsa the card disappeared
[00:44] <supremo> my sound chip can eat 6ch sound by nature without issues
[00:44] <supremo> i was surprised when i played a movie which has 6ch sound
[00:45] <supremo> intel hda is the future!
[00:46] <aljosa> supremo: open hardware is the future but it's far away 8-)
[00:46] <TDoubleDg> HDA?
[00:46] <supremo> high define audio
[00:47] <supremo> i don't need to downmix 4/5.1/7.1ch to 2ch, like alsamixer with ac97
[00:48] <supremo> my sound chip eats dolby
[00:48] <TDoubleDg> so.... HDA replaces ALSA?
[00:49] <TDoubleDg> its a software / driver / library or something?
[00:49] <supremo> there is no alsa on ubuntu, it's emulated by pulseaudio
[00:49] <TDoubleDg> nice
[00:49] <TDoubleDg> I havn't been doing linux in like a year, so i'm slighly behind
[00:49] <supremo> you should output your sounds to pulse as possible
[00:49] <supremo> pulse has some special features
[00:50] <TDoubleDg> well, i guess if i'm using the distro, I'm using it in the first place
[00:50]  * supremo has golden sound settings now
[00:50] <jmichaelx> since upgrading to maverick, the letters in the menu bar in firefox are all black... and therefore impossible to see with a huge percentage of personas. is there any way to change this?
[00:51] <yofel> er... pulseaudio is a sound mixer that uses alsa for hardware access, and iirc HDA was a group of audio drivers
[00:52] <TDoubleDg> So...... HDA is just a driver... and not the future?
[00:53] <supremo> i have known that pulse is designed for hd audio
[00:53] <TDoubleDg> oh......
[00:53] <supremo> pulse is better than esd
[00:53] <TDoubleDg> and intel's HDA is the driver for the generic intel sound chip that comes on most motherboards?
[00:54] <supremo> (of course, you have to fix the bugs made by ubuntu developers)
[00:54] <jmichaelx> supremo: which are often numerous
[00:54] <yofel> jmichaelx: probably the same here, but as I use a dark theme for KDE and a light theme for gtk I have white text on light-grey backround in ffx menus, well, just the main menu, the actual menu entries are fine
[00:54] <supremo> nowadays, all mobos has hda
[00:54] <supremo> s/has/have
[00:54] <yofel> well, more specifically, it's a specification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_High_Definition_Audio
[00:55] <TDoubleDg> digg it
[00:55] <supremo> i know what the hda is...
[00:55] <TDoubleDg> oh, ok, so it's the new AC'97
[00:55] <TDoubleDg> got it
[00:55] <TDoubleDg> nuff said
[00:56] <supremo> in fact, most hda chips is upto 192khz/24bit for now
[00:56] <jmichaelx> is anyone else having problems with intel HD and skipping audio? I am having this problem since upgrading to maverick... playing audio in amarok, the audio stops for a second or more, once every several minutes
[00:56] <TDoubleDg> That's cool
[00:56] <jmichaelx> ty, yofel
[00:57] <yofel> jmichaelx: haven't yet found out what's wrong though :/
[00:57] <supremo> in hda spec, it sound be 192khz/32bit at least
[00:57] <pecos> please tell which is the Maverick release test chat channel, thank you
[00:57] <jmichaelx> yofel: are you also experiencing the skipping problem?
[00:57] <TDoubleDg> ok....
[00:57] <yofel> pecos: this one, for support and discussion at least, idle chatter is #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:57] <TDoubleDg> too bad it's not the future though
[00:57] <penguin42> jmichaelx: It's been fine in Exaile on Gnome for me
[00:57] <TDoubleDg> you had it all talked up
[00:58] <yofel> jmichaelx: not that, no
[00:58] <pecos> yofel: thank
[00:58] <jmichaelx> penguin42: this could be a problem with kubuntu's implementation of pule.... not sure. i did not have this problem until the upgrade
[00:58] <vee> if cairo.dock has black edges around everything is it opengl trouble?
[00:59] <jmichaelx> implementation of pulseaudio*
[00:59] <penguin42> jmichaelx: Any stuff in /var/log/user.log (which is where pulse stuff ends up)
[01:01] <supremo> pulse is not perfect at the moment
[01:01] <supremo> but it's ready to use
[01:02] <supremo> this is my thought after tweaks
[01:02] <pecos> I have a flash problem on a pc after upgrade to Maverick flash video after a while are chopping no problem on Lucid what i can do, the pc have not heavy load
[01:02] <jmichaelx> penguin42: not seeing much of anything useful there, i may tail it while playing music, and see if something shows up the next timei get his pause
[01:06] <jmichaelx> yofel: using gtk-chtheme, seemingly no selection i make (so far) has any effect on the color of the letters in the FF menu letters
[01:07] <yofel> hm, no idea, maybe I'll play around with this tomorrow, need some sleep for now, good night
[01:08] <jmichaelx> good night
[01:09] <dorkface> So, when meerkat is released, to go from RC to final, I still have to do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" rather than just "apt-get upgrade", correct?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> dorkface: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:10] <BUGabundo> !update | dorkface
[01:10] <Jordan_U> dorkface: I would be surprised if the kind of dependancy breakage that normally makes that required would still exist in the RC. So no.
[01:20] <jmichaelx> does this indicate a pulseaudio problem?: Oct  8 20:13:42 ubuntu-dell pulseaudio[1773]: ratelimit.c: 19 events suppressed
[01:21] <supremo> it doesn't matter if you can sync your audio and video
[01:21] <supremo> and get clear sounds
[01:23] <supremo> good luck if your mouse doesn't get mad
[01:23] <jmichaelx> supremo: [if you were responding to me] it's just that my audio is pauing for a second or two every several minutes
[01:26] <jmichaelx> pausing*
[01:28] <supremo> when you are playing a local mp3?
[01:37] <jmichaelx> supremo: yes
[01:38] <coz_> jmichaelx,  almost like a cut out of audio?
[01:38] <jmichaelx> grrrrrr, i am trying to change the color of the text for the menu bar in FF.... for some reason the letters in maverick are now black. even if i change the userChrome.css entry for the menu bar, it reverts back each time FF is restarted
[01:39] <jmichaelx> coz_: yes.... i just rebooted a few minutes ago, and so far it has not happened again..... however, it was quite infrequent... once every 5-10 minutes... but enough to be very annoying
[01:39] <coz_> jmichaelx,  I have seen this on both lucid and maverick...a pulseaudo issue I am convinced
[01:39] <jmichaelx> coz_: likely so
[01:39] <jmichaelx> coz_:  this is with intel HD audio
[01:40] <coz_> jmichaelx,  I get this on occasion on the machine with maverick installed...however on this machine i compiled the alsa driver for my specific ard and have no issues at all
[01:40] <coz_> specific "card"  not ard
[01:40] <jmichaelx> coz_: i may be forced to do the same.... if i have more issues, i am removing pulseaudio. pulseaudio did work just fine on this system in lucid, though
[01:41] <coz_> jmichaelx,  well on maverick , pulseaudio is pretty well imbedded onto the system
[01:41] <coz_> I dont think removing it would do any good at all
[01:41] <coz_> jmichaelx,  however a compiling of alsa driver  lib and firmware...<< 3 packages   should work
[01:41] <jmichaelx> coz_: yes, it is.... but i am primarily a KDE user... if i remove pulseaudio, it may just mean also removing gnome
[01:42] <coz_> jmichaelx,  ah ok
[01:42] <coz_> understood
[01:42] <coz_> jmichaelx,  right on kde I believe it is phonon yes?
[01:42] <mgunes> you don't have to remove pulseaudio to disable it
[01:42] <jmichaelx> coz_: that is how it is supposed to be (and how it was under lucid), but in maverick, there is no such selection to be made in phonon
[01:42] <supremo> iirc, the pulse is run in userspace
[01:43] <coz_> jmichaelx,  oh ok
[01:43] <supremo> this is not like esd in the past
[01:43] <jmichaelx> leave it to the kubuntu devs
[01:44] <mgunes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7821384&postcount=8
[01:44] <coz_> jmichaelx,  well i fyou decide to attempt compiling alsa you must find the correct name of your card according to how also sees it
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ty mgunes
[01:44] <coz_> jmichaelx, the command for alsa driver would be  ./configure --with-cards=nameof your card  --with-oss=yesor no --with-sequencer=yes
[01:45] <jmichaelx> ahh, will make note of that, coz_
[01:45] <coz_> jmichaelx,  I have a link specific to my card you could use as reference hold on
[01:46] <coz_> jmichaelx,     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EchoMia
[01:46] <jmichaelx> coz_: so far i have not had this problem since rebooting
[01:46] <jmichaelx> my fingers are crossed
[01:46] <coz_> jmichaelx,  I have the layla24  so for my card the one part of the command is  --with-cards=layla24
[01:46] <coz_> jmichaelx,  but I do know you will need to know alsa's reference to your card for that
[01:46] <jmichaelx> coz_: BOOKMARKED
[01:47] <jmichaelx> sorry for the caps
[01:47] <coz_> jmichaelx,  I would also go to #alsa channel as well ...I would guess they have some troubleshooting approaches I dont now of :)
[01:48] <jmichaelx> coz_: right now i am blissfully hoping that rebooting magically fixed something
[01:48] <coz_> jmichaelx,   fingers crossed then :)
[01:48] <jmichaelx> and still mad about the black letters in the FF menu bar....
[01:49] <supremo> black letters?
[01:49] <jmichaelx> maybe 'annoyed' would be stating things more accurately, but cannot fix this
[01:50] <jmichaelx> supremo: yeah, sine the upgrade today, the menu letters in FF are black... and unreadable with many many personas
[01:50] <jmichaelx> since8
[01:50] <jmichaelx> since*
[01:51] <supremo> in fact, the default layout of ff on ubuntu is quite good
[01:51] <supremo> i don't even need my golden custom settings for ff
[01:51] <jmichaelx> supremo: i use kubuntu, and i have seen that conflicts between gnome and KDE, when both are installed, have been gradually increasing in number
[01:52] <supremo> nothing can't be hidden in the .mozilla
[01:52] <jmichaelx> probably another issue with kubuntu implementations.... lots of gnome settings bleeding into kubuntu. did not used to be this way... at least not this much
[01:53] <jmichaelx> supremo: i had edited the userChrome.css in .mozilla, but the changes i make revert back upon restarting FF
[01:54] <supremo> i edited more files, i just don't need them so sar
[01:54] <supremo> so far
[01:56] <jmichaelx> supremo: i have no idea how to straighten this out, small issue, but quite annoying. i have the same issue in FF on a laptop running kde on fedora 13... and that is not gnome-related, as gnome is not installed there. hmm....
[01:57] <supremo> i replaced default fonts with my private 1337 fonts
[01:57] <jmichaelx> ahh
[01:57] <supremo> everything is clear as crystal
[01:58] <supremo> clear and sharp
[01:58] <jmichaelx> supremo: my problem is that i do not want to make a system-wide change.... i just want to fix this issue in FF only
[01:59] <supremo> i know, your small fonts are blurred
[01:59] <supremo> i don't have this issue
[02:00] <jmichaelx> very very very annoying
[02:01] <supremo> ?
[02:02] <jmichaelx> supremo: just this menu bar text color issue.... can't seem to fix it
[02:02] <supremo> you can use custom fonts for that
[02:03] <supremo> but i doubt it can help you with ubuntu's poor fonts
[02:03] <supremo> especially, you are not just using english
[02:03] <jmichaelx> supremo: well, i know how to make system-wide changes, but how could i change this specific font? there is a .css file for it, but it reverts back to what was there before i made my edits
[02:04] <jmichaelx> supremo: i don't just use english, but it's what i use 95% of the time
[02:04] <supremo> i hope i could tell you in details
[02:05] <supremo> i have to recall my old settings somewhere
[02:05] <supremo> ha ha
[02:08]  * supremo copied golden userChrome.css and userContent.css to someone
[02:11] <jmichaelx> supremo: like i said, it does not allow me to modify the userChrome.css :-(
[02:11] <supremo> lol
[02:12] <supremo> apparmor something?
[02:13] <jmichaelx> supremo: maybe, i don't know
[02:13] <rusty2> hey guys, i updated to 10.10 and have some weird performance issues
[02:14] <supremo> such as, super-high cpu usage when you are playing audio and video?
[02:14] <rusty2> supremo, if you're talking to me that sounds exactly right, actually
[02:15] <rusty2> some other weird stuff, too
[02:15] <supremo> my cpu usage is zero in most time, and it's 34c
[02:15] <supremo> it's too hot i think
[02:15] <rusty2> i'm seeing high CPU usage most of the time on the panel monitor, but when i check top or System Monitor it shows 0%...
[02:16] <jmichaelx> supremo: some CPUs do run like that
[02:16]  * supremo fixed most annoying bugs
[02:16] <coz_> rusty2,  sounds like the panel applet may be buggy
[02:17] <supremo> i don't think so. i have a bunch of sensors on the taskbar
[02:17] <coz_> rusty2,  you say this is an upgrade and not a clean install? ...yes?
[02:17] <rusty2> coz_, that's correct
[02:18] <coz_> rusty2,  and you are using system monitor applet in gnome panel?
[02:18] <rusty2> coz_, yes
[02:18] <supremo> i have gnome-sensors-applet too
[02:18] <coz_> rusty2,  one thing I might try is opening synaptic and reinstalling that applet
[02:18] <rusty2> i'm less worried about the panel showing high usage than videos playing choppy on my i7 920
[02:19] <coz_> understood
[02:19] <rusty2> coz_, will try
[02:19] <coz_> russjr08,  do you have all the codecs installed? and which media player are you using?
[02:19] <rusty2> mplayer, but flash videos are also slower i believe
[02:19] <area51pilot> is there a way to revert back to a specific point in time on the system?
[02:19] <intrader> Anyone, brasero has Segmentation fault and I can do apport on account of lack of memory for report.
[02:20] <supremo> rusty2: i can decode a movie with 4 threads, and it doesn't even rise the p-state
[02:20] <rusty2> (p-state?)  movies played great before this upgrade
[02:21] <supremo> cpu p-states
[02:21] <coz_> area51pilot,  not unless you have backed up with something like  back in time or one of those applications
[02:21] <area51pilot> I have a problem loading GIMP and other packages, the system says it can repair, but when the option is selected in bounces back to the same dialog box. It say I cant installl the same package at the same time and that there are dependancies that need to be resolved.
[02:21] <area51pilot> coz_: thx
[02:21] <coz_> area51pilot,  sudo apt-get install -f
[02:22] <coz_> area51pilot, are you installing gimp from a ppa?
[02:22] <area51pilot> from the software center
[02:22] <coz_> area51pilot,  mm  I would suggest opening synaptic   ...hit search...type gimp  or which ever package  and go from there
[02:22] <supremo> i only trust the official repos so far
[02:23] <area51pilot> coz_: OK ...been doing that and trying to uninstall 1 X 1\
[02:23] <coz_> area51pilot,  yeah I would trust synaptic more than software center...at least for a long while
[02:24] <area51pilot> I do have issues not being able to uninstall as well
[02:24] <area51pilot> ok
[02:24] <supremo> i guess, the ubuntu software center is the future
[02:24] <supremo> it will take over everything in the future i guess
[02:24] <coz_> supremo,  most likely and unfortunate... synaptic will eventually be gone at least from default install
[02:25] <supremo> my synaptic is there since beginning
[02:25] <rusty2> oh, another issue is that eth0 now shows 'no link'...
[02:26] <area51pilot> OK ... well no it seems I cant remove any packages???
[02:26] <coz_> rusty2,  yikes... download the cd ...burn it at 1x  and clean install :)
[02:26] <SeRVeR01> hey all  is there any way to connect my headphone and speaker @ the same time  I got Realtek HD audio
[02:26] <rusty2> coz_, was afraid of that, will do.  the upgrade was actually a little botched from a power outage in the middle, but it's not showing broken packages or anything currently
[02:27] <coz_> rusty2,  ooo   did you try   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <rusty2> just can't get any idea what's actually wrong
[02:27] <supremo> haha, i am lucky again
[02:28]  * supremo is lucky for years
[02:29] <coz_> rusty2,   I have used ubuntu from day one... I have never recommended upgrades over clean installs... I have done both and upgrades more often fail  somehow than succeed
[02:29] <rusty2> coz_, yeah, thanks
[02:31] <supremo> is the 10.10 next product of 9.04 team?
[02:31] <supremo> i am curious who they are...
[02:32] <Ian_corne> so close to release I can smell it!
[02:32] <supremo> less than 2 days i think
[02:32] <supremo> there is a countdown everywhere
[02:33]  * supremo hates october 10
[02:33] <magikid> I don't usually play around with RCs but does much usually change between RC and Final Release?
[02:34] <supremo> magikid: it's like a half-finish boat made of wood
[02:35] <magikid> ok, just got a new desktop and debating waiting or just going with 10.04
[02:35] <IdleOne> supremo: Please be helpful
[02:36] <magikid> IdleOne, eh, it was helpful enough
[02:37] <IdleOne> magikid: RC is pretty much what the Final release is going to be with some last minute updates
[02:38] <magikid> If I install the RC would I have to wipe it for the final or just update through synaptic?
[02:38] <IdleOne> update
[02:40] <magikid> sweet
[03:37] <Ken8521> woot, no new upgrades
[03:37] <Ken8521> lol
[04:41] <neclimdul> I'm having a problem where after updating to ubuntu 10.10, my wired connection doesn't work and my wireless is terrible
[04:41] <neclimdul> having trouble finding any bugs or suggestions on how to fix it though. anyone have any suggestions?
[04:42] <Ken8521> hm,hadn't heard that one before.
[04:43] <neclimdul> wired connection does show up, just won't connect. e100e(dell e6400 laptop)
[04:45] <neclimdul> and by terrible wireless, it drops in and out and has ~1sec ping(which makes this typing over ssh misserable)
[04:47] <neclimdul> even more interesting, when i dock it at work, the dock ethernet is fine
[04:48] <kion> I am experiencing a problem, from time to time the system takes me back to the login page and all work or open applications get lost
[04:48] <kion> this is my log
[04:48] <kion> ACPI Exception: AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] (20100428/evregion-474)
[04:48] <kion> Oct  8 22:33:25 M15x kernel: [ 1823.129014] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT0.UBST] (Node ffff88013363eb40), AE_TIME
[04:48] <kion> Oct  8 22:33:25 M15x kernel: [ 1823.129298] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT0._BST] (Node ffff88013363eb00), AE_TIME
[04:48] <kion> Oct  8 22:33:25 M15x kernel: [ 1823.129558] ACPI Exception: AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST (20100428/battery-439)
[04:49] <kion> I guess it is related to bug # 293970
[05:00] <FFForever> How can I figure out what is wrong with my sound? It plays music but every few seconds there is an issue and it plays a small clip from the screw up a moment layer while the song is still playing
[05:22] <lucent> FFForever: you there?
[05:27] <sol1tude> how can i write 10.10 to usb flash disk from windows?
[05:28] <sol1tude> ultraiso doesnt works, but it worked for 10.04, 9.10 and others
[05:30] <Buffcns2> sol1tude: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[05:31] <sol1tude> usb creator doesnt works under windows 7
[05:32] <bazhang> sol1tude, what about unetbootin
[05:33] <sol1tude> i tried it but all i have is black screen when booting from usb
[05:33] <bazhang> sounds like a bad 'burn'
[05:33] <bazhang> md5 the ubuntu iso and try again
[05:34] <sol1tude> the only way was ultraiso app, but for 10.10 it doesnt works - now i have message like "preparing to boot from usb..." and it freezes
[05:34] <sol1tude> ok, i will download ubuntu again and check it
[05:35] <lucent> sol1tude: in MS Vista the protect-you-from-yourself feature needed disabling
[05:35] <bazhang> I'd try the md5 and re-'burn'; sometimes takes me a couple of 'burns' to get it right
[05:35] <lucent> I suspect this continues in MS WinVII
[05:35] <sol1tude> what is protect-you-from-yourself feature ?
[05:35] <lucent> user access controls something or other
[05:36] <lucent> the feature that makes everything broken, thats not a joke, I've seen it in action on MS Vista
[05:36] <sol1tude> i use burning apps with administrator rights of course
[05:37] <lucent> sol1tude: let's go back a little bit, this is not a Windows support forum, so what are you wanting to do with Ubuntu?
[05:38] <bazhang> boot from usb
[05:38] <sol1tude> trying to make usb bootable disk
[05:38] <sol1tude> i do it so many times for almost all versions of ubuntu, but for 10.10 i cant
[05:38] <lucent> ah, that is something I have done on both platforms Ubuntu and Win Tenpee
[05:38] <sol1tude> i cant boot it*
[05:39] <lucent> what usb device is it?  brand/size
[05:39] <sol1tude> a-data usb flash drive 4gb
[05:40] <sol1tude> ot kingston data traveller, i have both
[05:40] <lucent> okay, have you been able to make either of these bootable - with any software
[05:40] <lucent> not pertaining to Ubuntu, just tell me if you have and what it was you were able to boot on them
[05:41] <sol1tude> yes i boot from them many times
[05:41] <sol1tude> for example ubuntu 10.04 lts
[05:41] <lucent> ah, good, and this was from which usb device? the A-Data ?
[05:42] <sol1tude> a-data and kingston too
[05:42] <sol1tude> they are both worked for me
[05:43] <lucent> I think it would be a good idea, try making Ubuntu 10.04 LTS boot from one of those drives
[05:44] <lucent> try this first with whatever method you were able to do so when you made it work, before
[05:44] <lucent> -After- it is working and you are sure, try to make an Ubuntu 10.04 LTS boot from that same drive, but use a different method
[05:44] <lucent> I would suggest UNetbootin @ http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[05:45] <sol1tude> but what for 10.10 ?
[05:45] <lucent> start small steps, make sure you know what does work
[05:46] <lucent> if you can also make UNetbootin work, try using that to make a bootable 10.10
[05:49] <sol1tude> okay i will try
[05:49] <shiftingcontrol> i munable to create live usb using live usb creator and unetbootin
[05:49] <lucent> hi
[05:50] <lucent> shiftingcontrol: may I ask you to try using unetbootin and create a 10.04 LTS livecd usb?
[05:50] <lucent> would like to narrow down, if the 10.04 LTS livecd -> usb is working, then maybe it's specific problem with the 10.10 image
[05:52] <shiftingcontrol> lucent:i m using unetbootin to create live usb of opensuse
[05:53] <lucent> that's confusing me
[05:53] <sol1tude> lucent, i can say that method with ultraiso 100% working for 10.04, now ill try unetbootin
[05:53] <lucent> sol1tude: great!  Let me know when you can about UNetbootin
[05:58] <bullgard4> Does Maverick install dlocate by default  but Lucid not?
[05:59] <lucent> I'd have to ask what dlocate is
[05:59] <lucent> it's not installed here
[06:04] <bullgard4> lucent: dlocate is a DEB program package (and an executable file too.)
[06:06] <geohacker> Hi, I upgraded from Lucid to Meerkat this morning. but the system freezes frequently for a moment or two and then comes back to normal. annoying. mouse pointer doesn't move. CPU graphs gets stuck in system monitor. what could be wrong. please help
[06:06] <lucent> also virtual box might be eating your CPU time
[06:06] <lucent> just noticed that
[06:06] <bullgard4> geohacker: First consult your dmesg.
[06:07] <geohacker> lucent: i'm not using it right now. does it have a background process?
[06:07] <lucent> geohacker's dmesg at http://paste.ubuntu.com/509257/
[06:07] <geohacker> bullgard4:  its here http://paste.ubuntu.com/509257/
[06:07] <lucent> it's a kernel driver, geohacker... so....
[06:07]  * lucent gives the helpless hand signal of You Tell Me The Source Is Right There ;)
[06:08] <geohacker> lucent: you mean virual box?
[06:08] <lucent>    32.846537] vboxdrv: Found 2 processor cores.
[06:09] <lucent> something like that
[06:09] <lucent> I'm a troubleshooting god, not a kernel mechanic
[06:09] <geohacker> lucent: so what is the shot? we try removing virtual box now?
[06:09] <lucent> livecd of 10.10 would be my starting point
[06:09] <lucent> if your stuff works okay just running from livecd, that's a hint
[06:10] <geohacker> lucent: don't have one right now. and don't think can get one now.
[06:10] <lucent> yeah be patient, see if you can obtain one
[06:10] <sol1tude> lucent, i made bootable usb with unetbootin v491 for 10.04 lts but only thing i have when try to boot is black screen with blinking cursor
[06:11] <lucent> sol1tude: o_O really.   good for trying, I guess
[06:11] <geohacker> lucent: lets anyway remove the virtual box packages
[06:11] <geohacker> lucent: will run a purge.
[06:12] <lucent> you know hitler tried running a purge ... nevermind
[06:12] <IdleOne> !ops | lucent
[06:13]  * lucent puts the spoon down
[06:13] <geohacker> lucent: will something go wrong if I put the recommended removable packages?
[06:13] <geohacker> lucent: i mean. without removing them?
[06:13] <lucent> geohacker: my crystal ball is malfunctioning today.
[06:13] <lucent> get a livecd?
[06:14] <geohacker> lucent: can't now. :(
[06:14] <lucent> especially if this turns out to be a filesystem issue
[06:14] <geohacker> lucent: purged virtualbox.
[06:14] <lucent> it will be for nothing if your computer turns into meatspace
[06:14] <geohacker> will restart and come back.
[06:15] <bullgard4> geohacker: Line # 794 may be the culprit. Google for this exact line in combination with your computer's type in order to find out if others experienced the same bug before.
[06:15] <lucent> good catch, bullgard4
[06:16] <lucent> my other thoughts are if something is doing delayed allocation (bittorrent client) on large files for ext4, and ext4 is choking hard, that can grind things down
[06:16] <lucent> or vbox kernel driver interacting poorly with sauce like the apparmor patches
[06:17]  * BluesKaj looks at kde for windows again ..wonder if it's still clunky city ...was a mess a while back when i tried to make it work on XP
[06:17] <geohacker> bullgard4: will come after a restart.
[06:17] <lucent> ...will wish he had a livecd, place y'er bets anyone?
[06:18] <lucent> sol1tude: UNetbootin is kind of my preferred tool for crafting bootable USB sticks with distro livecd runtime
[06:18] <lucent> shame it's not working right for you and 10.04 LTS
[06:18] <bullgard4> lucent: Please use Standard English in this channel and not a language from behind the woods. Others may not understand you.
[06:19] <sol1tude> it doesnt matter i think, i always use ultraiso. but it is very sad that it doesnt works for 10.10
[06:19]  * BluesKaj searches the back woods
[06:19] <BluesKaj> :)
[06:20]  * lucent :)
[06:21] <lucent> anyhow I can be totally silent, almost perfectly censored if that's preferred by nounverbDigit
[06:21] <BluesKaj> still not happy with the crappy ati drivers , almost makes me want to regress
[06:21] <geohacker> bullgard4: lucent: I'm back. trying again.
[06:21] <lucent> good good
[06:22] <BluesKaj> well, sacktime ...nite folks
[06:22] <geohacker> lucent: bullgard4: purging virtual box haven't solved the issue
[06:22] <geohacker> :(
[06:22] <lucent> yeah, but that's reassuring
[06:23] <lucent> it's -not- vbox
[06:23] <geohacker> lucent: agreed.
[06:23] <lucent> geohacker: no more vbox in your dmesg, confirming?
[06:23] <geohacker> lucent: 1 moment
[06:23] <lucent> easy trick is like, 'dmesg | less' and then forward slash to search '/' type your term in 'vbox' and enter
[06:24] <lucent> 'q' quits less output
[06:24] <geohacker> lucent: none
[06:24] <lucent> okay check vbox off the list for sure
[06:25] <geohacker> lucent: new dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/509265/
[06:26] <lucent> not even going to ask what an EX TRAMPOLINE is
[06:26] <lucent> EXT4-fs (sda5): warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[06:27] <lucent> ah, boot rescue mode, run fsck?
[06:27] <geohacker> lucent: don't get you.
[06:27] <lucent> it's okay I was speaking very tersely
[06:28] <lucent> if you boot, Grub presents a menu with all kernels, each has "boot" and "rescue boot"
[06:28] <geohacker> lucent: what next without a live CD
[06:28] <lucent> rescue boot is single user, very simple, you can log in and run a filesystem check (fsck) on that filesystem
[06:28] <geohacker> lucent: no menu.
[06:28] <lucent> oh, menu is accessed... ah... left shift maybe?
[06:28] <lucent> there's a key shortcut to get at it even though it's hidden up tight by Ubiquity pretty lights and jazz
[06:29] <geohacker> lucent: ok
[06:29] <lucent> right after BIOS / EFI but before it shows "Ubuntu [xooooo]"
[06:29] <geohacker> lucent: i'll come online in another PC and let us see.
[06:30] <lucent> sol1tude: let's compare block device layouts... I have a bootable 2GB microSD card that I plug into a USB reader, and it boots reliably on many computers
[06:31] <sol1tude> what you exactly do to write ubuntu on it?
[06:31] <lucent> well, I use UNetbootin from Ubuntu, or from Windows XP
[06:31] <sol1tude> may be i miss something
[06:32] <lucent> both are working for me
[06:32] <lucent> there's some preparation that I do first
[06:33] <lucent> EXT4-fs (sda5): warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[06:33] <lucent> bad paste, sorry. correct paste is a link:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/509268/
[06:34] <lucent> my device is partitioned
[06:34] <geohacker> lucent: im here. started the system in reocvery mode.
[06:34] <sol1tude> okay, you just plug this SD,start unetbootin and then choose your iso from disk ? that's it?
[06:34]  * lucent drums up the band for geohacker and his/her glorious return to the future
[06:34] <lucent> sol1tude: yeah, that's all
[06:35] <geohacker> lucent: it shows a menu. normal boot, clean etc etc
[06:35] <geohacker> lucent: :D
[06:35] <lucent> oh okay
[06:35] <lucent> e2fsck -f /dev/path/to/filesystem
[06:35] <sol1tude> may be there is a bug in unetbooting @ windows 7, or i dont know, i do the same things
[06:35] <lucent> I think it was /dev/sda5
[06:35] <lucent> -f is force
[06:35] <lucent> sol1tude: it's possible, yes.  I want to know why it is not working
[06:36] <geohacker> lucent: which option should I choose? resume? clean? dpkg? failsafeX? grub? netroot?
[06:36] <geohacker> lucent: or root?
[06:36] <lucent> geohacker: holy hell.  they've expanded since I last looked
[06:36] <geohacker> lucent: :)
[06:36] <sol1tude> i want to help but i dont know how
[06:36] <lucent> root, I guess, that's all I used to see
[06:36] <geohacker> lucent: i think we'l go to a root shell and
[06:36] <geohacker> lucent: yeah :)
[06:37] <geohacker> lucent: i'm there. now. e2fsck -f /dev/path/to/filesystem ?
[06:37] <lucent> yep yep -f for force
[06:37] <geohacker> i.e e2fsck -f /dev/sda5 -f
[06:37] <geohacker> ?
[06:37] <lucent> that's it
[06:37] <geohacker> lucent: that wont kill my data right? :)
[06:37] <lucent> make sure it's not mounted though
[06:37] <lucent> which partition holds your root filesystem?
[06:38] <geohacker> lucent: i can access the data. i think it is mounted by now.
[06:38] <geohacker> lucent: sudo umount /media/Data ?
[06:38] <lucent> unmount it or if you're talking about a root filesystem then you'll want to remount readonly
[06:39] <lucent> mount -o ro,remount /dev/sda5  # in example
[06:39] <lucent> try umount'ing it first
[06:40] <lucent> error should be 'not mounted'
[06:40] <lucent> if it says 'filesystem in use' then you remount readonly
[06:40] <geohacker> lucent: umounted using sudo umount /media/Data
[06:40] <lucent> yep, do that for all your filesystems you want to run a scan on
[06:40] <geohacker> lucent: how do we confirm its sda5. i'm not sure
[06:41] <geohacker> lucent: all partitions?
[06:41] <lucent> uh, do you remember filesystem volume sizes?
[06:41] <geohacker> lucent: yeah. kind of
[06:41] <lucent> like oh hey I had a 400M data partion, sort of
[06:42] <lucent> 'parted -l' should list everything
[06:42] <geohacker> lucent: yeah. that was over 150GB part
[06:43] <lucent> suggest you unmount every ext? filesystem and force a check on them all
[06:43] <geohacker> lucent: i'm getting confused.
[06:43] <geohacker> lucent: shall we start over. ? please
[06:43] <lucent> sorry, so am I
[06:43] <lucent> yeah
[06:43] <lucent> cat /proc/mounts
[06:43] <lucent> shows you what's mounted
[06:43] <geohacker> lucent: thanks!
[06:44] <lucent> see anything that is ext? or uh btrfs, reiserfs, whichever you have
[06:44] <geohacker> lucent: sda6. that is my home directory
[06:44] <lucent> home only? or also root filesystem
[06:45] <lucent> which one is your root filesystem
[06:45] <geohacker> you mean the one with boot right?
[06:45] <geohacker> sda1
[06:45] <geohacker> it says rootfd / rootfs rw 0 0
[06:45] <geohacker> rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
[06:45] <lucent> good, good
[06:46] <geohacker> few other lines starting with none
[06:46] <geohacker> "none /sys blah blah
[06:46] <geohacker> none / proc blah blah
[06:46] <lucent> not helpful but you're doing good, so too bad
[06:46] <geohacker> and finally /dev/sda6 /home etx4
[06:46] <lucent> initramfs passes 'rootfs' instead of the actual device, makes me confused
[06:47] <lucent> go ahead and umount /dev/sda6 then
[06:47] <geohacker> lucent: ok
[06:47] <lucent> just unmount anything that's ext2/3/4
[06:47] <lucent> for each partition containing an ext2/3/4 filesystem, force a filesystem check.
[06:48] <lucent> fsck -f /dev/sda6
[06:48] <lucent> in example.
[06:48] <geohacker> nothing other than sda6
[06:48] <geohacker> all umounted. other than rootfs
[06:48] <geohacker> and now. fsck -f /dev/sda1 2  3 4 5 6 ?
[06:49] <lucent> one at a time, yes
[06:49] <geohacker> first fsck -f /dev/sda1
[06:49] <geohacker> ok? :)
[06:49] <lucent> yes
[06:50] <geohacker> darn
[06:50] <lucent> it's complaining about being mounted?
[06:50] <geohacker> it says /dev/sda1 is mounted and might cause damage
[06:50] <geohacker> yeah
[06:50] <geohacker> what now?
[06:50] <lucent> remount it read-only before continuing
[06:50] <lucent> so the command is something like:  mount -o ro,remount /
[06:51] <geohacker> just mount -o, remount / ?
[06:51] <geohacker> ok done that.
[06:51] <lucent> -o for option, ro for readonly, remount to remount in-place
[06:51] <lucent> yeah
[06:51] <geohacker> now run fsck right?
[06:51] <lucent> yep
[06:51] <geohacker> still warning. says mounted
[06:52] <lucent> eh...
[06:52] <lucent> livecd would be useful
[06:52] <lucent> I don't know why you want to take risks with your data but if you are just plow on ahead
[06:52] <geohacker> but can't get one now. any live CD would do?
[06:52] <lucent> anything with ext4 support so it doesn't eat your ext4 partition(s)
[06:53] <geohacker> i have 9.10 disks lying here. will that do?
[06:54] <lucent> might.
[06:54] <geohacker> ok
[06:54] <geohacker> let us see
[06:56] <geohacker> ok got the live cd
[06:56] <geohacker> now booting
[06:56] <lucent> ok
[06:59] <geohacker_> lucent: i'm in the live mode
[07:00] <geohacker_> lucent: what now.
[07:00] <geohacker_> ?
[07:00] <lucent> neat
[07:00] <lucent> same kind of stuff
[07:00] <lucent> just make sure everything is unmounted
[07:00] <lucent> force a filesystem check
[07:00] <lucent> there won't be any complaint about rootfs 'cause /dev/sda1 won't be mounted, I think?
[07:00] <geohacker_> nopw
[07:00] <geohacker_> lucent: things are fine
[07:01] <geohacker_> lucent: fast. and feels good.
[07:01] <geohacker_> lucent: run fsck ?
[07:01] <geohacker_> lucent: yeah. running. first fsck -f /dev/sda1 ?
[07:02] <lucent> yap
[07:02]  * lucent facepalms "Yes."
[07:02] <geohacker_> lucent: permission denied. will run with sudo
[07:02] <lucent> if you get bored of typing sudo and want root prompt, quick way is 'sudo su'
[07:03] <lucent> runs su with sudo rights, it's just easy to remember
[07:03] <geohacker_> lucent: yeah
[07:03] <geohacker_> lucent: started the check
[07:03] <geohacker_> lucent: done for sda1
[07:03] <geohacker_> for sda2 ? that is swap
[07:04] <lucent> pro tip if you want progress bar, send the progress info to the ZERO file descriptor with -C0
[07:04] <lucent> fsck -f -C0 /dev/sda1
[07:04] <geohacker_> lucent: but we are done with sda1. want to run again ?
[07:04] <lucent> nah
[07:04] <lucent> that was an example only
[07:04] <geohacker_> sda2 is extended. sda3 is swap. sda4 not exists, now sda5
[07:05] <lucent> I think you can figure out the rest of the devices with filesystems that need checking
[07:05] <lucent> :)
[07:05] <geohacker_> :)
[07:05] <geohacker_> lucent: is there anyway to remove those obsolete packages now?
[07:05] <geohacker_> sda5 done
[07:06] <geohacker_> sda6 done
[07:06] <geohacker_> lucent: what now?
[07:06] <lucent> we wait for the robots to destroy us
[07:07] <lucent> also congrats you just checked all filesystems
[07:07] <lucent> run 'sync' a couple of times before fashioning a tin foil hat proper and reboot
[07:07] <geohacker_> lucent: thanks! now we want to reboot in the normal mode?
[07:07] <lucent> yah
[07:07] <geohacker_> sync?
[07:07] <lucent> sync tells kernel to shut up and flush data buffers
[07:08] <lucent> say you wrote a file to USB stick and want to be sure it actually got on the USB stick, you'd run 'sync'
[07:08] <geohacker_> ok :)
[07:08] <lucent> when sync returns from running, it's all good
[07:09] <geohacker_> lucent: okay.
[07:12] <geohacker_> lucent: i think. we did it! :D
[07:12] <geohacker_> lucent: its kind of running perfect now. :)
[07:12] <lucent> well, filesystems are checked
[07:12] <ChrisBuchholz> is there a PureGnome (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome) for 10.10 ?
[07:12] <geohacker_> lucent: tell me anything to confirm its done?
[07:13] <geohacker_> when i type dmesg it took 2 seconds to show the output. now its just flick of a sec
[07:13] <lucent> nothing that doesn't involve explosive targets in a desert shooting gallery and a .22 rifle
[07:14] <lucent> would urge you to ditch ext4
[07:14] <lucent> stay with ext3.
[07:15] <ChrisBuchholz> Where does apt-get log to on 10.10?
[07:16] <lucent> ChrisBuchholz: perhaps /var/log/dpkg.log though I am not certain
[07:16] <lucent> ChrisBuchholz: there are also files in /var/log/apt/*
[07:16] <geohacker> lucent: things seems to be okay now.
[07:16] <ChrisBuchholz> lucent: yeah, i see that know. Will give it a spin
[07:18] <geohacker> lucent: thanks! :D
[07:18] <geohacker> will come back if I'm stuck again :)
[07:22] <geohacker1> lucent: hey. i think the problem persists :(
[07:24] <lucent> geohacker1: not surprised really
[07:24] <lucent> was there a problem when you run the livecd?
[07:25] <geohacker1> lucent: not at all
[07:25] <geohacker1> lucent: i don't find a problem right now. but just few mins ago.
[07:27] <geohacker1> lucent: the problem started now.
[07:27] <geohacker1> lucent: 1 minute after a restart.
[07:29] <lucent> geohacker1: okay
[07:29] <geohacker1> lucent: this is annoying.
[07:29] <geohacker1> lucent: what now?
[07:29] <td123> is everyone excited for 10.10?
[07:29] <lucent> geohacker1: right.  so you should have a livecd handy, and work at bissecting until you find the problem kernel
[07:30] <lucent> I'm excited for being underpaid and expected to do the work of my managers
[07:30] <lucent> woo hoo.  you might not know it because this is internets, but I am sure excited.
[07:31] <bazhang> !party | td123
[07:31] <td123> thanks
[07:31] <geohacker1> lucent: you mean the meerkat live cd?
[07:32] <lucent> geohacker1: whichever livecd, you need to be able to recover in case a kernel won't boot
[07:32] <lucent> bissecting is like, installing older kernels that did work, and you go forward until it breaks
[07:32] <lucent> then you know from A to B that is where the change happened
[07:32] <geohacker1> lucent: I think I have more than 5 installed now. the grub menu lists  many.
[07:33] <lucent> oh!  right, upgrade.... try running an older kernel
[07:33] <lucent> it's that simple I think
[07:33] <geohacker1> ok
[07:33] <geohacker1> let me restart
[07:38] <geohacker> lucent: i'm on kernel 32.25
[07:38] <geohacker> lucent: and display seems to have some issues. unwanted lines here and there. like scratches.
[07:38] <lucent> 'uname -r' if you please
[07:39] <geohacker> 2.6.32-25-generic
[07:39] <lucent> any issues with performance?
[07:40] <geohacker> there are also 2.6.32-24-generic , 2.6.32-22-generic and 21
[07:40] <geohacker> not yet. we'll have to wait a minute or two
[07:40] <lucent> I don't think it would be within the same series
[07:40] <lucent> skip the -24 -22 i.e.
[07:41] <geohacker> there is problem with display. want a screenshot?
[07:41] <lucent> not interested in your unsupported hardware, thanks anyways ;)
[07:41] <geohacker> didn't get you.
[07:41] <geohacker> :)
[07:42] <geohacker> lucent: i shouldn't have upgraded :(
[07:45] <geohacker> lucent: other than the display problem, things are fine, so far. what do you suggest?
[07:45] <lucent> the thing with the explosive targets a .22 rifle and desert shooting gallery.
[07:46] <lucent> if you can find out "It works when I do (A) and breaks when I do (B)" then it's time to file a bug report
[07:46] <lucent> launchpad.net
[07:46] <geohacker> yes.
[07:47] <lucent> someone told me to use a tool called ubuntu-bug
[07:47] <geohacker> i mean what might be wrong with the display then?!
[07:47] <lucent> if its definitely related to the kernel, then 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[07:47] <geohacker> ok
[07:47] <geohacker> why don't we try other versions too?
[07:47] <lucent> right, yes
[07:48] <geohacker> i'll switch to 2.6.32-24-generic and come
[07:50] <geohacker> lucent: back on 2.6.32-24-generic
[07:50] <geohacker> display seems to be fine. let's wait and see the perfomance
[07:51] <lucent> okay
[07:54] <geohacker> lucent: seems good.
[07:54] <lucent> really?
[07:54] <murlidhar> ok.. i thought this was a bug but it seems that it is not a bug at all since i am not the only one who upgraded to maverick from lucid.
[07:54] <murlidhar> ubuntu-software-center refuses to start unless given sude command.
[07:55] <geohacker> yeah. previously, whenever i tried starting rythmbox the system was like *don't do this to me* :)
[07:55] <murlidhar> sudo*
[07:55] <murlidhar> softare-center*
[07:55] <geohacker> now. i'm playing a song
[07:56] <geohacker> getting dmesg is faster.
[07:56] <lucent> that's good news
[07:56] <geohacker> no stucks while typing.
[07:56] <geohacker> and the CPU graph seems to be continuous.
[07:56] <geohacker> yeah. :)
[07:57] <lucent> might be related to the .. thing... I forget what it's called
[07:57] <murlidhar> anyone who upgraded to maverick instead of opting for a fresh install ?
[07:57] <lucent> murlidhar: I did, checking now
[07:57] <geohacker> so shall we file a bug for kernel 2.6.35-22 on system freeze? and 32-25 on display?
[07:57] <geohacker> murlidhar: i did upgrade from Lucid
[07:57] <lucent> no use filing a bug on 2.6.32-25, you know
[07:58] <murlidhar> so you guys have the problem i am getting ?
[07:58] <lucent> it's fixed in 2.6.35-22 ;)
[07:58] <lucent> I don't -have- an 'ubuntu-software-center'
[07:58] <murlidhar> software-center
[07:58] <geohacker> lucent: yes. so why not 35-22 ?
[07:58] <murlidhar> not ubuntu-software-center
[07:59] <geohacker> murlidhar: what is wrong with your software-center?
[07:59] <murlidhar> geohacker: it doesn't start unless given sudo command
[07:59] <murlidhar> geohacker: not from application menu too
[07:59] <lucent> murlidhar: maybe your keyring got messed up
[07:59] <murlidhar> hmmm
[07:59] <lucent> root rights UI apps ask the keyring for permission to gain root rights
[08:00] <geohacker> murlidhar: right. keyring. and also, better be root to run. it changes system configs.
[08:00] <lucent> if you configure your keyring to deny, then you'd have to run sudo explicitly
[08:00] <murlidhar> lucent: can i reset the keyring ?
[08:00] <lucent> I'm not much help beyond giving this hint... sory
[08:00] <murlidhar> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-keyring
[08:00] <lucent> sorry* I only know that I've had keyring trouble before and it ended up like you say
[08:00] <murlidhar> dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME is required
[08:00] <geohacker> murlidhar: what is the error when you start it from the menu?
[08:01] <murlidhar> geohacker: no error ...doens't start at all.
[08:01] <geohacker> lucent: i'm good now. thinks have settled now.
[08:01] <lucent> murlidhar: 'seahorse' used to be the keyring manager but I'm not sure
[08:01] <geohacker> murlidhar: okay. just type software-center in terminal and see what is said.
[08:01] <geohacker> lucent: yes seahorse
[08:02] <murlidhar> geohacker: do you want me to pastebin it ?
[08:02] <geohacker> murlidhar: yeah. would be happy if you can.
[08:02] <murlidhar> geohacker:
[08:03] <murlidhar> geohacker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/509303/
[08:03] <lucent> that does not look good.
[08:04] <lucent> murlidhar: try fixing your permissions on ~/.cache
[08:05] <geohacker> some issue with permission to write to cache
[08:05] <murlidhar> yep
[08:05] <geohacker> yes lucent +1
[08:05] <lucent> sudo chmod -chR /home/murlidhar/.cache murlidhar.murlidhar
[08:06] <murlidhar> chmod: invalid option -- 'h'
[08:06] <lucent> probably true
[08:06] <geohacker> lucent: quick question. how can I make 2.6.32-24-generic the default ?
[08:06] <lucent> murlidhar: I made a bad mistake
[08:07] <lucent> you see my mistake?
[08:07] <lucent> anyone can figure it out.
[08:07] <geohacker> chmod -R
[08:07] <lucent> tsk, geohacker
[08:07] <lucent> incorrect.
[08:08] <geohacker> -c -R
[08:08] <geohacker> chmod -c _R
[08:08] <lucent> geohacker: uh... yeah good question about making it the default
[08:08] <lucent> also still doin' it wrong
[08:08] <geohacker> murlidhar: chmod -c  -R
[08:08] <murlidhar> ah....anyways i got the permissions set from nautilus
[08:08] <murlidhar> gave the ownership to murlidhar
[08:08] <murlidhar> user
[08:08] <murlidhar> now it works :)
[08:08] <lucent> :)
[08:09] <geohacker> there you go! :)
[08:09] <geohacker> lucent: now. default ?? :)
[08:09] <murlidhar> thanks a lot geohacker and lucent :)
[08:09] <lucent> I think update-grub takes hints from somethingorother /etc/default/grub
[08:09] <geohacker> murlidhar: welcome!
[08:10] <geohacker> lucent: you mean it gets the current kernel to the top of the list
[08:10] <geohacker> ?
[08:10] <lucent> geohacker: changes the default menu selection
[08:10] <geohacker> i guessed.
[08:10] <lucent> update-grub reads a variety of things and generates the config that grub reads, when you run update-grub
[08:10] <geohacker> update-grub or update-grub2 ?
[08:10] <geohacker> i have both here :-/
[08:11] <lucent> what do you think
[08:11] <lucent> I don't know.
[08:11] <geohacker> grub2 might be.
[08:11] <lucent> if /boot/grub/grub.conf exists, then grub2
[08:11] <geohacker> i came from Lucid
[08:11] <Jordan_U> geohacker: They are the same.
[08:11] <geohacker> Jordan_U: Oh. symlinks ?
[08:11] <lucent> if /boot/grub/menu.lst and *NO* /boot/grub/grub.conf then grub
[08:12] <geohacker> lucent: just run update-grub2 would do?
[08:13] <lucent> yeah, if Jordan_U is correct then you would 'sudo update-grub'
[08:13] <geohacker> done.
[08:13] <geohacker> we'll see on the reboot.
[08:13] <geohacker> be right back
[08:15] <geohacker> lucent: that did not work.
[08:16] <geohacker> lucent: same order of the menu list as before.
[08:17] <geohacker> lucent: got to go now. will get it done somehow. and we be back later.
[08:17] <geohacker> thanks everyone!
[08:18] <lucent> ya
[08:52] <dupondje> We are 1 day before release, and still no medibuntu repo for Maverick it seems :(
[08:53] <Dimy> hi to all
[08:53] <Dimy> I'm new in Ubuntu and I need some help
[08:54] <Dimy> can anyone be so kind and answer me to some questions?
[08:54] <bazhang> Dimy, ask some
[08:54] <ChrisBuchholz> I installed kubuntu-desktop, and have now removed it again, but now the usplash (is it called that?) is saying kubuntu and is blue and everything. Also, both with the ubuntu and kubuntu usplash, its only upon installation that it is beautiful. After i've installed ubuntu, the usplash just turns 8bitesque. Like something is broken
[08:55] <Dimy> I have a Dell N7010 and I have installed yesterday the Ubuntu 10.10 RC
[08:55] <Dimy> I have problems with my wireless driver...
[08:55] <bazhang> Dimy, which chipset
[08:56] <Dimy> Sorry Chipset Intel I5 M450
[08:56] <bazhang> the wireless chipset?
[08:59] <Dimy> it's a broadcomm and in windows it shows DW 1501Wireless N-lan
[08:59] <bazhang> !broadcom | Dimy
[09:02] <Dimy> I have tried this site but the PCI E-FAST ETHERNET CONTROLLER it's not working also so I can,t make any update
[09:02] <bazhang> also broadcom?
[09:02] <Dimy> yes
[09:03] <bazhang> does ifconfig show it?
[09:03] <bazhang> eth0?
[09:03] <Dimy> the PCI-E Enthernet it's a Atheros A8151
[09:04] <osubuck> if i install the ubuntu 10.10 RC will i be able to update it to the final?
[09:04] <osubuck> if so, how?
[09:04] <ThomasWaldmann> Dimy: broadcom behaves strange sometimes
[09:05] <bazhang> !final | osubuck
[09:05] <ThomasWaldmann> i recently had a acer timeline x with i3 and broadcom wireless and i couldn't get wireless working with a fritzbox access point. at another site, other accesspoint, wireless worked.
[09:06] <osubuck> so in other words, i can download the RC, install it and keep it up to date it will BE final tomorrow?
[09:06]  * ThomasWaldmann prefers intel wireless
[09:10] <bazhang> osubuck yes
[09:10] <bazhang> ah he left
[09:16] <ashfaq> Hi! can someone help me with wine?
[09:16] <bazhang> ashfaq, #winehq would be better, unless you have an install problem with wine
[09:17] <ashfaq> I just installed it, installed yahoo, but failed to connect to internet, any settings I am missing?
 It installed perfectly, even yahoo messenger was installed perfectly!
[09:18] <bazhang> ashfaq, then check the appdb and join #winehq
[09:18] <bazhang> !appdb | ashfaq
[09:18] <nigelb> Sigh, why would you even want ym on linux.
[09:18] <nigelb> :D
[09:19] <ashfaq> nigelb> Any alternative?
[09:19] <bazhang> tons
[09:19] <nigelb> yep
[09:20] <ashfaq> Like, to talk from voip accounts
[09:20] <nigelb> google+empathy?
[09:20] <nigelb> I use that often.
[09:20] <nigelb> There is skype for linux too.
[09:21] <ashfaq> Okay I will check, let me have some idea of wine first, why it is not connecting
[09:22] <bazhang> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345224
[09:22] <bazhang> ugh
[09:22] <nigelb> heh
[09:22] <nigelb> you tried :)
[09:22] <bazhang> :)
[09:34] <geekphreak> love the new ubuntu :d
[09:35] <takuan> will there be many changes be the version of maverick that is available today and the release tomorrow?
[09:35] <bazhang> not really
[09:37] <takuan> i guessed so
[09:38] <takuan> probably safe to upgrade today instead of waiting till tomorrow?
[09:38] <bazhang> just keep to date and you'll be there
[09:38] <bazhang> of course yes
[09:38] <takuan> or are there still major show stoppers?
[09:38] <bazhang> better in fact
[09:38] <bazhang> miss the hugely overloaded servers
[09:39] <geekphreak> takuan: i just installed it and love it
[09:39] <takuan> here in belgium that won't be much of an issue
[09:39] <bazhang> here either
[09:39] <takuan> what are the major changes btw?
[09:39] <geekphreak> server were slow here though :(
[09:40] <bazhang> check the release notes in the /topic
[09:40] <takuan> i'm using lxde so the user interface changes won't be much visible i guess
[09:40] <takuan> ah
[09:40] <takuan> ok
[09:40] <takuan> sorry
[09:40] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[09:40] <geekphreak> let me see if they added eclipse i repos
[09:40] <geekphreak> brb
[09:41] <bazhang> !info eclipse
[09:42] <geekphreak> bazhang: looking for php version
[09:42] <geekphreak> bazhang: thanks :)
[09:46] <|ns|nR8> got jack audio worked out lucent, feel i owe you a beer or something
[10:58] <kandinski> hi
[10:59] <kandinski> I keep reinstalling flash to no avail, I can't see flash content in firefox. I have just dpkg-reconfigured ubuntu-restricted-extras, to no avail. This is 10.10 on AMD64. What do I do next?
[11:01] <l32007> hi
[11:02] <l32007> Does anyone know if their are going to be differences in Mavrick beetween the final RC and Full?
[11:04] <Pr070cal> just to let you know there seems to be a big issue with Maverick and nvidia drivers no working with ASUS EN8400GS SILENT i hope its fixed tomorrow
[11:06] <zfe> hello
[11:06] <zfe> compiz doesn't work on my machine
[11:06] <zfe> :(
[11:06] <zfe> and i can't understand much from the
[11:06] <zfe> error
[11:06] <l32007> have you got the drivers?
[11:07] <l32007> try enable desktop effects by rightclicking on the desktop clicking change desktop wallpaper -> Desktop effects
[11:08] <zfe> yes
[11:08] <zfe> glxgears
[11:08] <zfe> works fine
[11:08] <l32007> so can you start ccsm?
[11:09] <l32007> or what error does it give you?
[11:10] <zfe> it says
[11:10] <zfe> "desktop effects could not be enabled!"
[11:10] <l32007> have you got the latest updates?
[11:10] <zfe> just did it
[11:10] <zfe> lemme reboot
[11:10] <l32007> k
[11:11] <l32007> anyone know how to get a syntek driver for the Asus webcam on a f3j
[11:15] <ikonia> f3j ?
[11:17] <zfe> no, it doesn't work
[11:17] <zfe> how can i get why it says "desktop effects cannot be enabled"?
[11:18] <geekphreak> bazhang: you around?
[11:21] <ThomasWaldmann> btw, how many interrupts/s do you see in powertop, if the machine is idle, but connected via wlan?
[11:21] <geekphreak> ii guess not
[11:23] <zfe> uhm, so
[11:23] <zfe> no chances for an ATI owner
[11:23] <zfe> to have compiz running on 10.10
[11:23] <snikker> hi, i've got this message "The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server." but i've got index.html, after upgrade it' work fine, now i can use only .php file in the web root, .hrml doesn't work
[11:24] <snikker> i forgot to say that i'm using apache 2.2.16
[11:25] <brrrt> i have upgraded to maverick but now dns resolution does not work anymore, i have to manually do: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 (dhcp) everytime after reboot to make it work again, how can i fix this ?
[11:27] <estres> hi there, does any on know what will be the version of the kernel in the new release of ubuntu?
[11:27] <brrrt> now its 2.6.35-22
[11:32] <l32007> zfe go to the software center and install the newest ati driver
[11:34] <brrrt> please :D give me a hint howto setup resolfconf correctly
[12:02] <Uberfaja> sup
[12:02] <Uberfaja> when ubuntu will be avaiable to download?
[12:03] <bazhang> the final? or the release candidate?
[12:03] <Uberfaja> final
[12:03] <Uberfaja> what hour?
[12:03] <nigelb> unknown
[12:03] <Uberfaja> (GMT+1)
[12:03] <bazhang> no idea. no one knows that
[12:03] <Uberfaja> oh...
[12:04] <nigelb> it happens when it happens :/
[12:04] <Uberfaja> too bad
[12:04] <bazhang> 10.10.10 at some point
[12:04] <bazhang> why? just grab the RC and upgrade
[12:04] <nigelb> we're hoping for 10:10:10 on 10/10/10 in at least one time zone
[12:04] <mohraibat> just keep refreshing the homepage to pass the time lol
[12:04] <bazhang> hehe
[12:04] <robin0800> Uberfaja: use a daily if you don't want to wait
[12:04] <bazhang> !party | Uberfaja
[12:05] <nigelb> #ubuntu-release-announce or #ubuntu-release-party might be a nice place to hang out
[12:05] <nigelb> bazhang: -announce is the one thats for less crazier people right?
[12:05] <bazhang> nigelb, hehe yeah
[12:10] <Anonimek> hmm, would new ubuntu be compatible with 96 drivers for nvidia GPUs?
[12:10] <robin0800> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ gives a view of bugs still needed to be fixed before release
[12:17] <Friar> I'm getting an error with sudo apt-get update...http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/RyEnhgEQ I'm not really sure if it is a problem or not.
[12:18] <robin0800> Friar: try using the update manager
[12:19] <Friar> robin0800, I can do that, but it doesn't really tell me anything about the error message, or how to get rid of it.
[12:27] <lapion> is raof in here ?
[12:34] <do0d> is there a release time?
[12:34] <do0d> or it can happen any time tomorrow?
[12:46] <Kuba> heey
[12:47] <Kuba> Where can I look for some usable logs if suspend isn't working? ;>
[12:47] <ikonia> the syslog is a good start
[12:52] <Kuba> Hmm, the problem is follows: when I click "suspend" screen goes black and tere is one character: "_" in leftmost upper corner
[12:53] <Kuba> is it known bug?
[13:14] <ikonia> Kuba: did yo ucheck the logs as I suggested ?
[13:25] <penguin42> hibernate is really flaky for me on mm
[13:33] <UTF> wheres the release party at?
[13:33] <UTF> :)
[13:34] <bazhang> !party
[13:34] <bazhang> UTF, ^^
[13:34] <UTF> thx bro :)
[13:35] <Mouldy_Punk> hey guys. I'm having some intermittent problems with my netbook's touch pad. Every now and then (seemingly at random) the cursor twitches about uncontrollably. Trying to move the cursor myself only works on the y axis, but as soon as I lift my finger it goes back to it's twitching. Does anybody know of a way to fix this?
[13:39] <Squirm> cant wait till the official release
[13:41] <penguin42> what time exactly is the official release?
[13:44] <Kuba> ikonia: well, yes; though i cannot find nything abnormal
[13:46] <MartyMacFly> Mouldy_Punk: does that only occur on 10.10?
[13:48] <Mouldy_Punk> MartyMacFly, I can't say. It's a brand new netbook and the first thing I did was install 10.10 onto it. I used the preinstalled linpus distro briefly and didnt have any problems - but like i said, the problem comes and goes, so it might have just been down to chance
[13:48] <charlie-tca> penguin42: it is release exactly on the day of release, UTC. the closest thing to any schedule has always been before the the next day.
[13:49] <penguin42> Mouldy_Punk: Try preferencees->Pointing device (may say mouse) there should be a touchpad setting section
[13:49] <MartyMacFly> Mouldy_Punk: i would try another distro first
[13:49] <penguin42> charlie-tca: OK so 00:00 UTC?
[13:49] <charlie-tca> no. Before 23:59 UTC on 10 October
[13:50] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Ah I see
[13:51] <Mouldy_Punk> penguin42, I've tried tweaking those settings and I haven't managed to find a combination that stops the problem occurring.
[13:51] <Mouldy_Punk> MartyMacFly, I'll download me a copy of fedora or something and see if I can repeat the problem with that, thanks
[13:52] <penguin42> Mouldy_Punk: You might also like to try Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) - I think some touchpad stuff is new in this current release?
[13:54] <Mouldy_Punk> penguin42, I'll give that a go too. I just figured a completely unrelated distro would make a better test set up
[13:55] <Mouldy_Punk> I just installed gsynaptics which seems to have more settings regarding mouses/touchpads, the problem seems to have stopped after I set the min speed right down. Hopefully it won't start playing up again...time will tell
[13:55] <TiK> penguin42: touchpad stuff was implement in 10.04 as well
[13:55] <TiK> its not "new"
[13:55] <penguin42> TiK: Aren't there multitouch changes in MM ?
[13:56] <TiK> doubtful
[13:56] <TiK> Mouldy_Punk: did you disable "clicking with touchpad"
[13:56] <TiK> or whatever it is
[13:56] <TiK> under mouse openions
[13:56] <TiK> options
[13:57] <TiK> that wasa problem in 10.04 as well
[13:57] <Mouldy_Punk> TiK, yes, and scrolling
[13:57] <TiK> hmm
[13:57] <TiK> youjustgot unluck
[13:57] <TiK> y
[13:57] <TiK> i guess
[13:58] <Mouldy_Punk> it just started twitching again...looks like the min speed setting didn't fix it after all :\
[14:27] <sebsebseb> Hi
[14:29] <glebihan> Hi sebsebseb
[14:31] <sebsebseb> hi glebihan
[14:31] <zylogz80> is there no longer a linux-rt in the 10.10 repo? a search for linux-rt in synaptic turns up nothing
[14:31] <BUGabundo> ONE MORE DAY
[14:31] <BUGabundo> ONE MORE DAY
[14:31] <BUGabundo> ONE MORE DAY
[14:31] <BUGabundo> oh man , gonna miss you all, even if it is just for a week (or two?)
[14:31] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: sure, but any point putting the RC on and getting updates today, or the latest daily build, if wanting a bit early?
[14:32] <BUGabundo> get a daily
[14:32] <BUGabundo> zsync the image tomorrow or after
[14:32] <BUGabundo> *if* any changes come
[14:32] <BUGabundo> which I doubt
[14:32] <BUGabundo> I forgot to do that last night :(
[14:32] <sebsebseb> also  any point bothering really with btrfs in 10.10,  I mean I had in vm before, but no idea how to use snapshots
[14:32] <BUGabundo> better not do it today or for the next few days
[14:32] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: exactly thats what I mean, todays daily, will probably be tommorows final  really
[14:32] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: I'm on BTRFS
[14:32] <BUGabundo> so far so good
[14:33] <sebsebseb> how are snapshots used?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> 3 power failures, zero prob
[14:33] <BUGabundo> other then pulse getting corrupt
[14:33] <glebihan> zylogz80: do you have universe repos enabled ?
[14:33] <sebsebseb> also uhmm  do I need bigger than 10 or so GB for  /   I mean snapshots take up space right?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> well
[14:33] <zylogz80> glebihan, I will check
[14:33] <BUGabundo> snapshots don't take space
[14:33] <BUGabundo> but changes to them do
[14:33] <BUGabundo> but yeah, 10GB will be short
[14:33] <BUGabundo> I have this on SSD 64GBs and I'm fine
[14:34] <BUGabundo> no SWAp either
[14:34] <zylogz80> glebihan, yes, I do
[14:34] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: well seperate /home
[14:34] <BUGabundo> since I have 4GB ram, and stop hibernating two cicles ago
[14:34] <sebsebseb> and an old data partition that was a home
[14:34] <BUGabundo> reboots are fasters
[14:34] <BUGabundo> specially on SSD
[14:34] <sebsebseb> however yeah I have this feeling that 10GB may not really be enough for a btrfs Ext4
[14:34] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: I'vent don't that since 8.04
[14:34] <BUGabundo> its NOT required or recommend
[14:35] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda5              58G   26G   33G  45% /
[14:35] <darthanubis> deluge using 90+% cpu
[14:35] <sebsebseb> also still need a seperate /boot partition for btrfs in 10.10 I guess?
[14:35] <darthanubis> deluge-gtk
[14:35] <BUGabundo> yeah, /boot is on ext2 I thinkg
[14:35] <BUGabundo> or ext4 not sure
[14:35] <BUGabundo> 1GB
[14:35] <BUGabundo> so I can put ISOs in there and boot from it
[14:35] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             1.9G   85M  1.7G   5% /boot
[14:35] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: my current partition set up is a bit hmm,  I can't just partition  how I  would like to
[14:35] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: what are the benefits of btrfs anyway, I mean other then this snapshot feature, what is noticed by the user?
[14:36] <glebihan> zylogz80: apparently it's been deleted in maverick : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux-rt/2.6.31-10.153
[14:36] <BUGabundo> on SSD are huge
[14:36] <BUGabundo> since it's a right once FS
[14:36] <BUGabundo> *write
[14:36] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: yeah SSD the netbook hardware?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> yeah
[14:36] <sebsebseb> what about on a normal hard disk?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> should be a bit faster then ext4
[14:36] <BUGabundo> but tools are yet top notch
[14:36] <sebsebseb> however thats the only advantage really, except for snap shots?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> no fsck yet
[14:37] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: well BTRFS is a *new* FS
[14:37] <sebsebseb> yeah no fsck or whatever, I did read something about that,  how btrfs isn't really properly implemened into 10.10
[14:37] <BUGabundo> supposily doing the btree changes that ext4 didn't manage to do
[14:37] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: its not an Ubuntu prob
[14:37] <BUGabundo> btrfs is still under *heavy* devel
[14:38] <BUGabundo> but dev says API should be _more or less_ stable by now
[14:38] <sebsebseb> well there was Meego or something with it by default I think
[14:38] <BUGabundo> and doesn't expect changes to files structure
[14:38] <sebsebseb> how are snapshots used?
[14:38] <BUGabundo> I have no doubt 11.x will have it default too
[14:38] <BUGabundo> ehe
[14:38] <BUGabundo> I still don't master that
[14:38] <zylogz80> glebihan, that's sad :( means I'll have to use a 2.6.33 from a ppa. I was hoping to have a 2.6.35 without need for a ppa. oh well
[14:38] <BUGabundo> but something like btrfs-snapshot /path
[14:38] <BUGabundo> or what ever
[14:39] <BUGabundo> cwillu is my master on that :D
[14:39] <BUGabundo> <3
[14:39] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: yeah at the  moment, I guess btrfs is ok, but really for those that know what  they are doing properly with it, and thats not me
[14:39] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: its one of those things: I don't care... its too low level for me
[14:39] <BUGabundo> just want it to work and not bother
[14:39] <BUGabundo> which I've been doing
[14:39] <BUGabundo> its fast, _stable_ and it just works
[14:39] <BUGabundo> don't care
[14:40] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: I mean in vm I did it, but that was just vm,  and did the seperate /boot and btrfs /,  but soon I want to put 10.10 on real hardware for a bit, and so I am thinking should I bother with btrfs or just do Ext4, I mean I am probably then going to end up replaceing 10.10  around November 2nd anyway with Fedora 14,  or I might end up putting PC Linux OS on for a bit, don't know yet
[14:41] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo:  currently wiating for another distro to be made as well
[14:41] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: just go with / ext4 plus 4GBs swap
[14:41] <BUGabundo> that's it
[14:41] <BUGabundo> no more partiion schemes
[14:41] <sebsebseb> nah I got 1GB RAM and I think I got some swap at the moment, but I don't really need swap, and 4GB swap would be to much in my case
[14:42] <Skaperen> what is the "right" amount of swap space?
[14:42] <BUGabundo> Skaperen: there's "none"
[14:42] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: yeah I might not bother with it for 10.10, and then  maybe do it for whatever distro I put on next
[14:42] <Unksi> Skaperen: i'd say the amount of ram if you wish to be able to hibernate
[14:42] <BUGabundo> old rule of thumb said 2.5 times the RAM
[14:42] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: at least as much as your RAM
[14:42] <penguin42> Skaperen: If you've only got a little RAM then the old story was 2x RAM, if you've got loads then you don't need to go that high
[14:43] <Unksi> i havent been using swap at all with systems that have 1gb of ram or more
[14:43] <Ian_corne> because you can't hibernate otherwise
[14:43] <BUGabundo> you need at least the same amount of RAM to hibernate, if not using compressiong
[14:43] <BUGabundo> which we DON'T since , I don't know, FOR EVER
[14:43] <Skaperen> penguin42: on my big machine (12GB) I have no swap space at all
[14:43] <BUGabundo> since it support was taken
[14:43] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: and its not like I need snapshots anyway,  I don't just mess up my install, and if something like that happended, well seperate /home,  installing distros is rather easy as a result
[14:43] <penguin42> Skaperen: Yeh that's not unreasonable
[14:43] <BUGabundo> plus you need a bit more space for stuff already in swap
[14:44] <Skaperen> penguin42: yeah ... it never gets into a swap tizzy
[14:44] <penguin42> Skaperen: I've got 2GB on this machine with 8GB RAM, very rarely touches it though
[14:44] <BUGabundo> ofc who ever has more then 4GBs I dougb its usefull to hibernate or make 8GBs swap :S
[14:44] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: I do a funny thing: btrfs-image and remote backup that
[14:44] <BUGabundo> its handy
[14:44] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: from vm  trying, which obvously wasn't really the best way to try a file system, but  from that, I get the impression that,  btrfs for a pshyical install,  in my case,  woudn't really give me much of an advantage if any really over Ext4
[14:45] <BUGabundo> true
[14:45] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: of 10.10
[14:45] <BUGabundo> but make TWO data partitions
[14:45] <BUGabundo> and give it a go
[14:45] <BUGabundo> 10.10 is OLD
[14:45]  * BUGabundo wants 11.x
[14:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Let it have it's day before you call it old!
[14:45] <Skaperen> penguin42: I figured for what I was doing, 4GB RAM would be enough ... my then desktop had 2GB and rarely touched swap ... I was at first going for 4GB ... and was guessing 2GB to 4GB swap would be plenty ... then figured I'd put the swap in RAM
[14:46] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: or I just try with the smaller / with btrfs, if  I am able to, and if I run out of space or  whatever, well no big deal, got the seperate /home and other data partition anyway
[14:46] <sebsebseb> and then can re  do /
[14:46] <sebsebseb> with Ext4
[14:46] <Skaperen> so 8GB was enough, but this new machine had triple channel north bridge, so a 3x amount would be faster
[14:47] <BUGabundo> penguin42: been on 10.10 for 6 months... its old and stale ^Wstable
[14:47] <sebsebseb> and then when btrfs is more stable in distros,  I can sort out my partition set up a bit better
[14:47] <Skaperen> BUGabundo: I assume some people are already putting 11.x together by now :)
[14:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh, it's not been particularly stable for me either
[14:48] <BUGabundo> Skaperen: as soon as toolchain opens, I'm there
[14:48] <Skaperen> BUGabundo: ah ... that tells me what you are up to doing :)
[14:48] <sebsebseb> hoepfuly 11.04 will use Gnome 3 by default :)
[14:48] <sebsebseb> and with Gnome Shell as well
[14:48] <BUGabundo> penguin42: other then a cranked kernel on 100% cpu and some minor userland bugs in audio, this is stable for me
[14:48] <BUGabundo> plus old kmail bugs
[14:48] <Skaperen> BUGabundo: so open up the #ubuntu+2 channel
[14:48] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, that is a very tricky issue
[14:49] <BUGabundo> either I paid very little attention to this cycle, or 10.10 has been one of the most stable devel cycles I've been on
[14:49]  * sebsebseb expects their will be some sort of excuse for not using Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell as default for 11.04
[14:49] <bjsnider> given that the ubuntnu devbs and fedora/gnome devs are almost in a state of war at this point
[14:49] <BUGabundo> Skaperen: *this* is #ubuntu+2
[14:49] <BUGabundo> at least until tonight
[14:49] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: oh?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> and we get 1000 crazy users asking: is it out yet
[14:50] <hifi> is it out yet?
[14:50] <BUGabundo> and then party at #ubuntu-release-party for killing bunnies
[14:50] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: got a link or something to confirm that?
[14:50]  * BUGabundo slaps hifi
[14:50] <hifi> sorry :<
[14:50] <hifi> just had to
[14:50] <BUGabundo> hifi: yes
[14:50] <LinuxLinks> is what out? :)
[14:50] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, everything canonical tries to do to improve the linux experience for  regular users is rejected by the gnome devs upstream
[14:50] <BUGabundo> OH NOES
[14:50] <BUGabundo> it has began
[14:50] <BUGabundo> mental note: 283 users
[14:50] <Skaperen> LinuxLinks: someone is out of the closet?
[14:51] <LinuxLinks> I thought the cat was out of the bag
[14:51] <BUGabundo> my bet: 1083 by 10pm GMT+1
[14:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: On my 3 main machines I have kernel issues of one type or another
[14:51] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: they also rejected stuff from Novell,  also most of those patches to Gnome that have been done to Ubuntu,  aren't that nice really,  in a lot of peoples opinions, including my own
[14:51] <BUGabundo> penguin42: lucky you :P
[14:52] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: espeasily when features that are meant to be there aren't, when some of that is enabled, and so on.
[14:52] <sebsebseb> and those changes didn't really fit in properly with Gnome
[14:52] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, in that case why don't you use fedora instead?
[14:52] <sebsebseb> hence not being accepted
[14:52]  * Skaperen hands sebsebseb a hat and a can of red spray paint
[14:53] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: there have even been people going to the Gnome IRC asking  about those changes.  also yes I do use other distros these days :)  however I still also try Ubuntu
[14:54] <sebsebseb> Fedora isn't Gnome
[14:54] <sebsebseb> Fedora is Fedora
[14:54] <bjsnider> fedora is sued by the gnome devs since many or most of them work for redhat
[14:54] <sebsebseb> and yes Redhat  do Gnome, but they aren't the only ones
[14:54] <bjsnider> redhat won't have any of those canonical improvements
[14:55] <bjsnider> well, maybe some of the papercuts stuff, i don't know
[14:55] <Skaperen> I had been too busy to try the RC and I would have time this weekend, but when I looked at the web site, it said "1 day left" ... so now I have to wait for the 11.x RC
[14:55] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: most of them aren't really needed, lets take the replaceing of the notifcation area for example,  nothing wrong or that wrong with the Gnome notification area
[14:55] <bjsnider> there has been a long explanation of what's wrong with it
[14:55] <bjsnider> and a very correct explanation i might add
[14:56] <bjsnider> canonical hasn't kept that secret
[14:56] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: or how about the replacineg of the Gnome  clock, uh why?  the Gnoem clock is fine.  some people think Canonical are sort of forking Gnome, because of this kind of stuff, there is a lot about this on the web, and this isn't really the best place for this discussion
[14:56] <sebsebseb> persoanlly I have mixed feelings when it comes to most of those changes
[14:57] <sebsebseb> I see it from the expereinced view piont, but also the newbie
[14:57] <sebsebseb> I see how a lot of those changes get at people like me, but how they can also be quite good for newbies.
[14:58]  * Skaperen didn't like moving the "X" button to the left, so he moved it back to the right
[14:58] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: also like you were saying, people that don't like those changes, can use other distros anyway
[14:59] <Skaperen> choice ... change it yourself ... use another distro ... or use that OS from ... no scratch that last one
[14:59] <bjsnider> yeah well, regardless of how it ends up, i don't like to see canonical and gnome in such a state of conflict
[14:59] <Skaperen> and there is kubuntu
[14:59] <sebsebseb> Skaperen: and that was, because of a feature in 10.10 that was meant to be on the right, the windicators, however  no now that won't be in 10.10, because the Gnome feature that was needed, wasn't ready.  Maybe Mark knew all along that it may not be ready.
[14:59] <sebsebseb> also apparently something to do with Unity why they are on the left as well,  ok sure in 10.10, but  that doesn't apply to 10.04
[15:00] <sebsebseb> Skaperen: personally I think Kubuntu is a bit pointless really, because of other distros that do KDE better
[15:00] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: indeed
[15:01]  * Skaperen wishes it was easier to move so he could put it at 71.3 % up from the bottom along the right side :)
[15:02] <bjsnider> well, if i was going to use kde, i'd use mandriva or suse
[15:02] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: indeed :)
[15:02] <sebsebseb> yep those are examples of distros with very nice KDE
[15:02] <sobczyk> hi, is there a way of troubleshooting non working PA? alsamixer shows everything OK, on panel I can set volume, but there is no sound (Kubuntu)
[15:02] <sebsebseb> well not used KDE in SUse or maybe I did, but Mandriva yeah
[15:03] <sobczyk> ok sound indicator disappeared
[15:03] <BluesKaj> kde is running fine here , bjsnider sebsebseb no glitches yet
[15:04] <sobczyk> anyone cn help me?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> mandriva and suse ? you have to be kidding :)
[15:04] <bjsnider> have you used them?
[15:04] <penguin42> sobczyk: It's interesting you say that - it has on one of my machines as well
[15:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yes, otherwise I wouldn't make such a comment
[15:05] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: got to look at things from both sides,  otherwise might be seen as a fan boy by people :D  so heres the other side. So yeah this Gnome patching for Ubuntu,  and not patching that has been done working with them  or at least with them being rather aware of what was going to happen.  Then they basically say to upstream Gnome, here are the patches, take them if you want them.  Well this is basically what I was told by someone who
[15:05] <sobczyk> since upping to 10.10 only problems I had was PA
[15:05] <sebsebseb> contributes to Gnome and is an ex Ubuntu user, plus  I have read stuff like this on the web.
[15:05] <penguin42> sobczyk: Make sure indicator-applet is added to your panel
[15:06] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: so Ubuntu is starting to do some things, that upstreams are only really meant to do.  Unity is another example of that really.
[15:07] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: however the whole indicator thing is a great example of this
[15:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Most distros have tended to add some of their own quirks
[15:07] <sebsebseb> penguin42: right, but Ubuntu is starting to do much more than just some
[15:07] <sobczyk> I'm going to try the windows way, restart the machine, if that helps, Ubuntu is doomed
[15:08] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh, and unfortunately not making it switchable
[15:09] <sebsebseb> oh BluesKaj I messaged you by mistake there, when I was meant to message bjsnider
[15:09] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, dunno what you mean ...I'm just commenting that kde runs well on ubuntu ...gnome upstream makes no diff to me .. I prefer the kde look and layout
[15:11] <sebsebseb> penguin42: bjsnider  Maybe really not the best channel to give this link out in, but ah well. Its a bit old now as well, but it basically explains what Ubuntu are doing, or if not are at least seen as to be doing, by many people in the wider LInux community, as well as some of the Ubuntu users. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3900296_1/Ubuntu-1010-Alpha-Slouching-Toward-Ubuntu-GNOME.htm
[15:11] <bazhang> !ot > sebsebseb
[15:13] <sobczyk> ok, traced part of the PA problem, sound works after 1st login, but I have no sound indicator, if I log-off and login I get the indicator, but that disables the sound
[15:19] <penguin42> sobczyk: OK, so you have the indicator - is pulseaudio itslef running? ps  -eaf|grep pulse
[15:19] <BUGabundo> penguin42: http://goo.gl/j40z
[15:19] <sobczyk> sobczyk   2063     1  2 23:09 ?        00:00:17 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[15:20] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh!
[15:20] <penguin42> sobczyk: OK, so from the volume thing if you bring up sound preferences what does it show for hardware?
[15:21] <sobczyk> internal sound analog stereo and rv710/730 digital stereo
[15:22] <penguin42> sobczyk: OK
[15:22] <penguin42> sobczyk: And if you go to the output tab which one is selected?
[15:24] <sobczyk> penguin42: KDE does not have output tab, but you gave me idea, I think it selects the HDMI output by default
[15:24] <penguin42> sobczyk: Ah sorry, didn't realise you are in KDE - I don't know the equivalent stuff in there
[15:24] <ayush1> What is the exact time 10.10 is going to be available? Does anyone know?
[15:24] <sebsebseb> ayush1: probably in about 22 hours from now
[15:24] <sobczyk> I have to figure out how to set the default
[15:27] <vbgunz_> Kuba: I've always had the issue of suspending and seeing an underscore during hibernation. did you figure it out? incredibly I am looking for a solution too
[15:27] <sebsebseb> ayush1: you can join #ubuntu-release-party  wilst you wait, and tommorow it will be announced in #ubuntu-release-announce
[15:27] <Kuba> vbgunz_: Are You on eee? ;)
[15:28] <vbgunz_> Kuba: eee? asus eee pc? I have an asus motherboard but not the eee
[15:28] <vbgunz_> Kuba: why, is this an asus thing?
[15:31] <stahlstift> Anyone found a link für 10.10 netbook? :D
[15:32] <ItsYou> xD anyone found a link für :)
[15:32] <stahlstift> ItsYou: 10.10 netbook final ;)
[15:32] <Kuba> vbgunz_: well, I'm using asus eee pc
[15:32] <Kuba> stahlstift:there is no final ;<
[15:33] <stahlstift> Kuba: wh0t?
[15:34] <vbgunz_> Kuba: I've been trying to make hibernation as verbose as possible and have always hit a brick wall for as long as I remember. the latest kernels are showing a resume screen that looks great but going down, I always get the blinking underscore and it sucks
[15:34] <vbgunz_> I have so far been unable to find any solutions for a more verbose hibernation screen
[15:35] <Kuba> hmmm
[15:36] <Ian_corne> stahlstift: it's the 9th
[15:36] <Ian_corne> 10.10 is scheduled to release on 10th
[15:37] <mistere3571> If I've installed 10.10 RC 1 will I be able to upgrade it to the final release version without re-installing?
[15:37] <Daekdroom> mistere3571, yes
[15:37] <stahlstift> Ian_corne: I know. It´s a kind of "hobby" to find a mirror which got the final release public a day for launch :)
[15:37] <mistere3571> Daekdroom: great!  thanks.
[15:41] <xenogia> Damn Australian Time, it is already the 10th of the 10th here.. Hahaha
[15:41] <fagan> lol
[15:41] <charlie-tca> Always UTC time...
[15:42] <phil42> is Maverick ready?
[15:42] <fagan> its always the date that it is over in the uk
[15:42] <fagan> so its not
[15:42] <fagan> its tomorrow
[15:42] <charlie-tca> !isitoutyet
[15:42] <xenogia> hahaha
[15:43] <fagan> charlie-tca: why did you have to show them the command
[15:43] <charlie-tca> why not?
[15:43] <fagan> thats just opening a can of worms
[15:43] <fagan> :P
[15:43] <stahlstift> YEAH!
[15:43] <stahlstift> !isitoutyet
[15:43] <stahlstift> See thats what fagan taling about
[15:43] <stahlstift> :D
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Please don't abuse the bot
[15:43] <fagan> yep
[15:43] <PhotoJim> it'll be an hour behind the UK won't it?  UK is still on summer time.
[15:44] <Unksi> yep
[15:44] <fagan> back around hardy the bot used to say "if you ask !isitout then mark pushes the release back an hour"
[15:44] <Unksi> :D
[15:45] <Unksi> i wouldnt think it would be out even by now if it was for that ;)
[15:45] <phil42> i didn't ask if it is out, i asked if it is ready
[15:45] <Daekdroom> Depends on how you define ready.
[15:45] <PhotoJim> I've got the testing version on a spare laptop... I don't imagine it would be fatal to upgrade a production system to the testing version so close to launch.
[15:45] <Daekdroom> If it's finalized, yes, it is, if every mirror has it already, I doubt it..
[15:45] <fagan> well its not an LTS so there will be a few bugs
[15:45] <fagan> but other than that its good and stable
[15:46] <PhotoJim> I'm leaving my server on LTS.  that's what LTS is for.
[15:46] <fagan> long term support
[15:46] <fagan> thats what its for :P
[15:47] <PhotoJim> for systems where you value stability over bleeding edge-ness :)
[15:47] <PhotoJim> upgrade them only every two years, essentially.  except for bug fixes and security updates.
[15:47] <fagan> well the normal releases are far from bleeding edge but we work hard on the LTS releases to make them just that bit more stable
[15:48] <PhotoJim> compared to Debian, the normal releases are pretty bleeding edge ;)
[15:48] <fagan> well most people I know that use debain are on testing or unstable
[15:48] <Daekdroom> fagan, I don't think LTS is that stable once it's released.
[15:49] <fagan> I dont know anyone myself that uses debian stable
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Didn't it use a beta version of Firefox a few times?
[15:49] <fagan> Daekdroom: that was hardy
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Lucid didn't use a beta 3.5?
[15:49] <fagan> but the release of the final version of firefox was a week or so after release so it didnt matter much
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Well, indeed.
[15:50] <itsonlyme> I have a usb problem that I've never seen before.  My USB drives didn't auto-mount so I checked a few things. lsusb shows the internal hub, but dmesg doesn't log anything when I plug or unplug a device.    Anyone know what the problem is?
[15:50] <Daekdroom> and it's much better having a beta browser for a week than an obsolete browser for years.
[15:50] <thiebaude> unity sure looks sweet on this 10.10 desktop :)
[15:51] <fagan> thiebaude: well the old netbook interface worked fine on the desktop too
[15:51] <fagan> :)
[15:51] <thiebaude> yes indeed
[15:53] <BluesKaj> noticed medibuntu repos isn't maverick ready
[16:10] <xenogia> I'm tempted to try out the RC before release date but is there really any point?
[16:10] <xenogia> It is only one day.. haha
[16:11] <Friar> I get an error when I do sudo apt-get update  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/RyEnhgEQ
[16:12] <mthorn> My playstation->usb adaptor that was working on lucid no longer seems to work in Maverick.
[16:12] <mthorn> if I tail -f /dev/input/js0, there's no response whatsoever when I press on buttons
[16:12] <mthorn> is there a simple package that I'm missing? What's the best way to debug this?
[16:13] <mthorn> the device DOES show up when I run lsusb
[16:13] <xenogia> Friar: Seems the mediubuntu is having some GPG key issues
[16:13] <xenogia> I'd give it a bit
[16:13] <itsonlyme> mthorn,  I have the same problem
[16:13] <xenogia> I'd heard in the grapevine that your not the only person have the same problem
[16:14] <xenogia> itsonlyme just proved that.. haha
[16:14] <Friar> xenogia, thanks....is it still being updated when I do that?
[16:14] <mthorn> hm. And I take it no one's found a solution? :/
[16:14] <xenogia> usually it is
[16:15] <itsonlyme> I'm on a vaio though
[16:15] <xenogia> i'd give it an hour or so, should be back to normal
[16:16] <xenogia> I always find on release date launchpad gets hard to even connect to get keys for PPAs.. haha
[16:16] <xenogia> I always end up using an alternative
[16:16] <Friar> xenogia, how do you do that? I have been having this problem for a week now.
[16:16] <xenogia> Friar: Give me a sec I'll get an alternative place for you
[16:17] <xenogia> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/what-to-do-when-keyserverubuntucom-is.html
[16:17] <xenogia> tada
[16:21] <electro> How do you get the nvidia driver to work in xorg 1.9 ?
[16:22] <Kuba> ikonia: the last log row is: Oct  9 17:16:22 wee kernel: [  241.276341] PM: Preparing system for mem sleep
[16:26] <lapion> !seen axion
[16:28] <Ken8521> @seen axion
[16:28] <sslither2010> does anyone know if 10.10 will fully support the glass effect's
[16:28] <Ken8521> hmm, nope, doesn't work her.
[16:29] <Ken8521> sslither2010, you mean like compiz?
[16:29] <sslither2010> yes like compiz that olny partially work's in 10.04
[16:50] <bdogg> hello?
[16:51] <ayush1> olleh
[16:51] <bdogg> can someone help me out with a keyring thing on ubuntu
[16:52] <ayush1> bdogg: keyring thing?
[16:52] <bdogg> or sorry, password
[16:52] <bdogg> i have ubuntu set to auto-login
[16:52] <Ken8521> and it asks for your keyring?
[16:53] <bdogg> but it gets really annoying because a pop-up asking for my password comes out
[16:53] <Ken8521> bdogg: are you on 10.10?
[16:53] <bdogg> i wouldn't mind if it didnt show up 3 times
[16:53] <bdogg> after i enter my password
[16:53] <bdogg> yes im on maverick
[16:54] <Ken8521> bdogg: go to syste/admin/passwords and encryption keys
[16:54] <bdogg> okay there
[16:54] <Ken8521> *I believe.. there's somethng there you have to delete
[16:54] <Ken8521> i just can't remember what
[16:55] <Ken8521> i don't auto-login
[16:55] <bdogg> hmm
[16:55] <bdogg> well ill poke around
[16:55] <Ken8521> bdogg: hang on a sec
[16:55] <bdogg> k
[16:56] <Ken8521> i can't remember if i leftm y PC on or not if i did, i'll vnc into it and look at my settings(my PC auto log in)
[16:56] <bdogg> okay
[17:01] <Ken8521> bdogg: under sys/pref/passwords and encryption keys
[17:01] <porter1> Is anyone else having pulseaudio slowness causing audio to be extremely choppy? Using Lucid's last kernel, I don't have the choppiness like in 2.6.35-22
[17:01] <bdogg> yes
[17:01] <Ken8521> on the passwords tab, what do you have there?
[17:01] <Kuba> I'm having problems with installing eeepc-acpi-scripts; eeepc-acpi-scripts: Depends: acpi-support-base which is a virtual package.
[17:01] <bdogg> um lots of things
[17:01] <bdogg> but there are only 2 that use the password
[17:01] <bdogg> that i have to type in
[17:02] <Ken8521> ok...
[17:02] <bdogg> account: idle/irc/brian0; param: param-password
[17:02] <Ken8521> hm, i dn't have all that
[17:02] <Ken8521> i assume brian0 is your username?
[17:03] <bdogg> and account: gabble/jabber/b34tls4ever_40chat_2efacebook_2ecom0; param: param-password
[17:03] <bdogg> my username is just brian
[17:03] <Ken8521> hmm, not sure man.
[17:03] <bjsnider> electro, they already do work, except nvidia-96
[17:03] <Ken8521> it could be any of those options, but you need to find which one is calling that up to start, and delete it(that's what i did)
[17:03] <Ken8521> so now, it starts automatically
[17:04] <bdogg> well im guessing the second password account i typed in is the MEmenu
[17:04] <bdogg> because it says facebook
[17:04] <Ken8521> bdogg: is it making you enter the keyring to sign on to your network, and that is the issue?
[17:05] <bdogg> no its just that it ubuntu logs in
[17:05] <bdogg> and then a prompts me for my password in a window
[17:05] <bdogg> but it does it multiple times
[17:06] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:09] <glebihan> bdogg: it may because the passwords are stored in different keyrings, and you have to unlock all of them
[17:09] <bdogg> so is the password entry manditory then?
[17:09] <Ken8521> glebihan: thats exactly what i was thinking
[17:10] <Ken8521> only thing i have in keyring, is vino, thats it.
[17:10] <bdogg> how can i fix it?
[17:10] <Cojage> is it ready?
[17:10] <Cojage> for tomorrow?
[17:10] <Cojage> or will get delayed lol
[17:10] <glebihan> bdogg: if my idea is right, I don't think there's anything you can do
[17:10] <bdogg> yes your idea is right
[17:11] <bdogg> well thinks for your insight
[17:11] <bdogg> at least now i know why
[17:11] <Ken8521> that's kind fo a douchebag exit message
[17:11] <Cojage> lol
[17:11] <Cojage> so will 10.10 final be released tomorrow
[17:12] <androidbruce|lap> Cojage, hooray
[17:12] <glebihan> Cojage: it should be, Ubuntu releases are usually on time
[17:12] <Cojage> Orly
[17:12] <Assid> its out tomorrow right?
[17:12] <Cojage> well yeah i guess
[17:12] <glebihan> Assid: yes
[17:12] <Assid> wheres the mirror managers
[17:12] <Assid> i wanna talk about a mirror
[17:12] <Cojage> they are busy fixing pulseaudio
[17:12] <Cojage> or are they?
[17:12] <Assid> or a few :D
[17:14] <Kuba> Is any script from /etc/acpi called when I issue "suspend" from the main ubuntu menu? Or are those only for button press?
[17:18] <penguin42> Kuba: I think everything in there is based off events like button presses or plugging AC in happens
[17:19] <yofel> Kuba: if you want to get a script executed before suspend, see /etc/pm/sleep.d/
[17:20] <Kuba> yofel: the problem is, my suspend doens't work -._
[17:20] <Kuba> :(
[17:20] <yofel> Kuba: it fails on suspend or on resume?
[17:21] <Kuba> on suspend: balck screen with underscore as the only character appearing
[17:21] <yofel> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume#Debugging%20Suspend might help with debugging
[17:22] <Kuba> yofel: oh thanks, I will try it
[17:25] <vbgunz_> where has the qdbusviewer gone in maverick?
[17:26] <vbgunz_> I see I need qt4-dev-tools
[17:28] <Ken8521> looks like its gone
[17:29] <Kuba> yofel: Coud You take a lokk at it? http://kuba.dziwki.edu.pl/up/pm-suspend.png please
[17:32] <Kuba> Or anyone cold take a look at my suspend-related problem?
[17:40] <andrr> I tried to load the 2.6.35 kernel, but an error which ended in "kerneal_thread_helper <some numbers>" was rendered.However, I can load the 2.6.32 kernel.I'm using Ubuntu 10.10
[17:42] <stahlstift> hm if I follow the iso to usb manual on ubuntu.com, I can´t boot from the usb stick on my netbook
[17:42] <stahlstift> weird
[17:43] <vbgunz> Kuba, you finally got a verbose hibernation on shutdown?
[17:43] <penguin42> stahlstift: What happens?
[17:44] <stahlstift> The netbook tries to boot from the usb stick and then showing the normal grub
[17:44] <stahlstift> from the internal hd
[17:45] <stahlstift> 0:    Ubuntu-Netbook 1   *2.0 GB   disk5  - that looks ok
[17:45] <stahlstift> also when I mount the USB on the mac there are data
[17:45] <stahlstift> Something changed with 10.10 ?
[17:45] <stahlstift> I followed the manual from 10.4 with the 10.10 rc1
[17:45] <penguin42> I know there were earlier problems with creating USB boot images, but I don't think either failed to make something that tried to boot
[17:46] <stahlstift> I followed the steps… hdiutil to convert the iso to an img
[17:46] <stahlstift> unmounting with diskutils, dd with bs=1m
[17:46] <stahlstift> and ejecting...
[17:47] <stahlstift> well not much options to do something wrong ;)
[17:50] <Kuba> vbgunz: indeed
[17:51] <atheotsky> is it out ?
[17:51] <Kuba> vbgunz: just run "pm-suspend" from terminal
[17:51] <stahlstift> !isitout
[17:51] <Kuba> however I know what my problem is
[17:51] <Kuba> Does ubuntu 10.10 have any problems with usb 3.0?
[17:51] <Ken8521> !noitsnot
[17:51] <Kuba> Ken8521: no? :)
[17:52] <Ken8521> lol
[17:52] <PhotoJim> if it's 0000 UTC, it's out.  if it isn't 0000 UTC, it's not out :)
[17:53] <atheotsky> !isitout
[17:53] <penguin42> Kuba: I suspect that there aren't many who have tried it on 3
[17:54] <Kuba> penguin42: so here I am, having troubles with it ;p
[17:54] <Kuba> hrhr
[17:54] <penguin42> Kuba: So to answer the question I would say, yes, someone has problems with USB 3 - you!
[17:54] <penguin42> Kuba: What problems?
[17:55] <Kuba> penguin42: suspend isn't working
[17:55] <Kuba> but that might be hardware/bios problem, not ubuntu's
[17:55] <penguin42> Kuba: What makes you think it's USB3 related?
[17:55] <magicianlord> has the iso been fixed yet?
[17:55] <duffydack> no updates today... could I  have 'final' installed
[17:56] <Kuba> well, I disabled usb 3.0 and it autmagically started to suspend, penguin42
[17:56] <magicianlord> it still hangs at syslinux with usb creator.
[17:56] <penguin42> Kuba: OK, that's a fair argument
[17:56] <Kuba> penguin42: I'm going to turn it on, and post here /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[17:56] <Guest83871> The final stable version will be released on October 10, 2010.
[17:56] <penguin42> Kuba: I've not noticed any bugs (I look through the bug lists a bit but not too hard) specifically about it
[17:56] <Guest83871> what  time zone? :)
[17:57] <penguin42> magicianlord: What did you create the image with? Which usb creator?
[17:57] <magicianlord> fedora usb creator, unetbootin, image creator, and the usb creator on the iso itself
[17:57] <PhotoJim> Guest83871: UTC
[17:57] <magicianlord> neither work
[17:57] <magicianlord> cannot boot  from flashdrive
[17:57] <duffydack> http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html this is what I use for all my usb installs
[17:57] <trism> Guest83871: it is unlikely to be for more than 24 hours from now, there is no specific timezone for release, as long as it is October 10th somewhere
[17:57] <magicianlord> it drives me MEOW-mad!
[17:58] <trism> Guest83871: judging from past releases
[17:58] <penguin42> magicianlord: Interesting, you woul dhope the one on the CD would work; if you have the option of not allowing persistent data on the drive I'd say that's a good bet - there used to be problems with that; if you are creating images from Lucid you need a usb-creator in Lucid-updates
[17:59] <magicianlord> do you believe that incompetent individuals surround themselves with connection with others moreso than competent ones, in order to simply survive?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> trism: specific timezone is always UTC
[17:59] <trism> charlie-tca: that is not true
[17:59] <magicianlord> penguin42: no persistance. still didnt work
[17:59] <trism> charlie-tca: the time varies every release
[17:59] <penguin42> magicianlord: Hmm not sure what to suggest, you say it hangs, any errors?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> yes it is. It will be released 10.10.10 UTC time
[17:59] <magicianlord> it hands on bootup at the syslinux white lin
[17:59] <trism> charlie-tca: I find that very unlikely
[17:59] <magicianlord> hangs
[17:59] <devunt> Today is October 10th!
[18:00] <magicianlord> tomorrow
[18:00] <charlie-tca> It will not necessarily be released on 10.10.10 anywhere local time
[18:00] <Guest83871> devunt: from japan? :>
[18:00] <stahlstift> hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o ubuntu.img Downloads/ubuntu-10.10-rc-netbook-i386.iso  && sudo dd if=ubuntu.img.dmg of=/dev/disk5 bs=1m
[18:00] <stahlstift> not bootable...
[18:00] <devunt> from seoul, s. korea
[18:00] <stahlstift> checkum from the iso is correct
[18:00] <charlie-tca> it is still October 9 UTC
[18:00] <Guest83871> sure ;)
[18:00] <magicianlord> why dont they fix this?
[18:01] <magicianlord> the basic iso should at least boot
[18:01] <devunt> It October 10 2:00 am KST
[18:01] <atheotsky> i think ubuntu was out, but they have yet to provide download links
[18:01] <magicianlord> that's a primary quality check
[18:01] <magicianlord> atheotsky: where is hte link
[18:01] <penguin42> magicianlord: It seems to for most people
[18:01] <Guest83871> in secret place ;)
[18:01] <Guest83871> in NYC ;P
[18:01] <magicianlord> penguin42: it boots off cd, but not the usb creator
[18:01] <magicianlord> at least the one from windwos
[18:01] <atheotsky> serveral versions earlier, i got download links 1 or 2 day before it was officially out
[18:01] <stahlstift> magicianlord: you also can´t install it from usb?
[18:02] <magicianlord> stahlstift: cant boot
[18:02] <magicianlord> hangs at syslinux line
[18:02] <stahlstift> magicianlord: then you coming farer then I come ;)
[18:02] <atheotsky> magicianlord: i dont know actually :)
[18:02] <penguin42> Kuba: There is a mechanism to blacklist certain modules for suspend/hibernate - never tried it, but you might be able to do that to the module that does USB3
[18:02] <atheotsky> because no one gave me the download link this time
[18:03] <Guest83871> beer for person who find url with final rel ;)
[18:03] <penguin42> magicianlord: So the two I've seen mentioned are the stuff with persistent data and an incompatibility between earlier iamge writers and the new syslinux, but that's just from watching release notes etc
[18:03] <magicianlord> like i said, who is in charge of quality checking the isos at canonical
[18:03] <stahlstift> 2 beer!
[18:03] <magicianlord> is that person/s in this chat?
[18:04] <penguin42> magicianlord: I doubt it
[18:04] <penguin42> (I don't know who it is)
[18:04] <atheotsky> penguin42: me too
[18:04] <magicianlord> well, they need to have a better QC process
[18:04] <Ken8521> magicianlord: what do you mean?
[18:04] <magicianlord> what
[18:05] <penguin42> magicianlord: What hardware are you trying to boot it on?
[18:05] <Kuba> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2qVcHcAh Here is my /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[18:05] <Guest83871> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-i386.iso ?:>
[18:05] <atheotsky> :-?
[18:05] <Kuba> penguin42: nothing special...
[18:06] <atheotsky> let's see
[18:06] <atheotsky> i'll check that link
[18:06] <magicianlord> penguin42: netbook
[18:06] <penguin42> Kuba: I think the xhci is the usb3 but am not sure
[18:06] <Guest83871> atheotsky: but better links for sources.list for upgrade ;)
[18:07] <stahlstift> are there already usb3 devices out?
[18:07] <penguin42> magicianlord: Any particular one?
[18:07] <penguin42> stahlstift: Yeh
[18:07] <atheotsky> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:07] <stahlstift> wh0t?
[18:07] <atheotsky> every one, check that link :)
[18:07] <stahlstift> I am going to look for some benchmarks ;)
[18:07] <atheotsky> there's no RC
[18:07] <magicianlord> penguin42: they're all the same.
[18:07] <Guest83871> so
[18:07] <Guest83871> beer for me
[18:07] <Guest83871> ;]
[18:07] <penguin42> Kuba: So I think I'd try creating /etc/pm/config.d/10brokenusb3 and in it put something like SUSPEND_MODULES="xhci_hcd" and try again
[18:08] <penguin42> magicianlord: No they aren't, there is quite a wide variety of BIOS, graphics chipsets and general screw ups
[18:08] <stahlstift> Guest83871: Not really :P It´s just the daily build…
[18:08] <atheotsky> stahlstift : nope
[18:08] <penguin42> magicianlord: I have Maverick installed on my Asus eeepc 1001HA from thumbdrive, but it has a problem shutting down - now that's a different problem from you
[18:09] <Guest83871> stahlstift: a couple of days there were no changes
[18:09] <atheotsky> daily build had RC after iso file's name
[18:09] <stahlstift> hm k ;)
[18:09] <stahlstift> no netbook link? :(
[18:09] <atheotsky> i wonder if torrent links have a lot of seed
[18:09] <penguin42> Kuba: Of course that suggestion could break everything and I've never tried it - but hey I'd be interested to know if you survive
[18:09] <Guest83871> ;<
[18:10] <ph0x9> in how many hours will release final?
[18:10] <Guest83871> < 24 ;)
[18:10] <Ken8521> lmao.. question in ubuntu : which timezone will ubuntu follow(i guess for the time it releases)
[18:10] <atheotsky> i think i'll wait till ubuntu.com announce it
[18:10] <Kuba> penguin42: well, it does NOT work :(
[18:10] <ph0x9> samoa time again?
[18:10] <ph0x9> :)
[18:10] <stahlstift> Guest83871: What about daily netbook? :D
[18:10] <Ken8521> i guess...lol
[18:10] <magicianlord> penguin42: the usb creator from fedora does not properly boot the netbook remix
[18:10] <Guest83871> stahlstift: i dont know, but new UI for netbook is poor
[18:11] <ph0x9> i wish the next ubuntu will be released japan time
[18:11] <ph0x9> :))
[18:11] <magicianlord> it's poor?
[18:11] <yofel> stahlstift: that's in a different directory http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[18:11] <atheotsky> penguin42: try unetbootin, it's cool
[18:11] <stahlstift> yofel: Cool Thanks!
[18:11] <penguin42> magicianlord: I can believe there might be problems with usb creators from different distros might break it - I think maverick is using a very new syslinux and gets confused by some old usb creators; but I don't know the details
[18:11] <magicianlord> penguin42: ok. the one in the iso didnt work either though
[18:12] <penguin42> magicianlord: Yeh that sucks; although given how many things don't work for you, I wonder whether the problem is actually something more about booting from usb thumb drives on your machine
[18:12] <penguin42> Kuba: Hmm that fix doesn't ?
[18:13] <Assid> man.. ubuntui goes slow on my dell d600
[18:13] <atheotsky> !isitout
[18:13] <magicianlord> penguin42: no
[18:13] <tankdriver> How do I add shortcuts in left panel in Netbook Editon?
[18:14] <magicianlord> why doesn't canonical just make the iso bootable with a straight disk imager
[18:14] <Kuba> penguin42: yeah, config.d solution doesn't work; and `sudo modprobe -r xhci-hcd` works
[18:14] <magicianlord> take the arch linux iso for example
[18:15] <penguin42> Kuba: Well make sure it's bug reported - the fact that modprobe -r xhci-hcd works is a great pointer to the problem
[18:16] <prodigy> magicianload, iirc, arch linux's install cd  doesn't be adapted as a livecd, unlike ubuntu/mint
[18:17] <Kuba> penguin42: would it be reasonable to temporary create /etc/sleep.d/10_brokenusb3 with `modprobe`/`modprobe -r` ?
[18:17]  * Assid needs a faster ubuntu... on his dell d600
[18:18] <penguin42> Kuba: It sounds worth a try, I'm surprised that adding to SUSPEND_MODULES doesn't work - can you give me the exact line you tried in config.d ?
[18:18]  * prodigy 's live usbkey ubuntu is running fast like a ghost
[18:18] <Assid> is mnaverick any quicker than previous releases?
[18:19] <penguin42> Assid: Not that I've noticed
[18:19] <prodigy> is libreoffice in the repos of maverick?
[18:19] <mohraibat> for me the rc is running pretty fast on a pentium 3
[18:19] <Ken8521> prodigy: i don't think so.. not yet
[18:19] <tensorpudding> Assid: it's not slower that i can tell
[18:19] <mohraibat> i use it as a test
[18:20] <milaz> hi all!
[18:20] <penguin42> milaz: Hi!
[18:20] <prodigy> maverick will be released in several hours
[18:20] <milaz> please, i need help, or after reboot i won't be able to boot at all :(
[18:21] <penguin42> milaz: Explain your problem?
[18:21] <milaz> I just updated rc of ubuntu, and grup-pc package with it
[18:21] <milaz> it tells me that update of this package failed.
[18:21] <Assid> my d600 runs slow as hell on this
[18:21] <Assid> well any os
[18:21] <milaz> if i do something like this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[18:21] <penguin42> Assid: Everything or just some stuff?
[18:21] <Assid> everything
[18:22] <prodigy> Assid: it is possible. ubuntu needs more power to run
[18:22] <milaz> then it reports "Segmentation fault", then "Generating grub.cfg ...", segmentation fault, and so on
[18:22] <penguin42> milaz: Eek it shouldn't do that
[18:22] <Assid> prodigy: im thinking of moving that to chrome os or so
[18:22] <penguin42> milaz: What's your configuration, what did you update from? What discs have you got?
[18:23] <Assid> is kubuntu any quicker with kde?
[18:23] <prodigy> Assid: pclinux(i686) is a better choice for your case
[18:23] <milaz> Right. I believe when I installed it from USB stick, it offered me to put a boot loader into /dev/sda
[18:23] <milaz> I didn't suspect anything, and agreed
[18:23] <prodigy> Assid: i have tried it. it's big but it's fast
[18:23] <tensorpudding> Assid: You could try running a netbook system like Ubuntu Netbook Remix, maybe
[18:23] <BluesKaj> milaz, I have to ask did you do , sudo update-grub ?
[18:23] <penguin42> milaz: OK, so it's a clean install?
[18:23] <milaz> In fact, when ubuntu is loaded, /dev/sda is my hard drive
[18:23] <Assid> prodigy: pclinux?
[18:24] <Ken8521> Assid: i personally think KDE sucks no matter the distroy
[18:24] <milaz> well, not already, I updated it several times
[18:24] <prodigy> Assid: a mandriva fork
[18:24] <milaz> I believe previous update also included grub
[18:24] <penguin42> milaz: I've not seen update-grub seg before
[18:24] <Assid> prodigy: how would it matter sine the packages etc are the same no matter what distro
[18:24] <Ken8521> pclinuxOS?  how anyone could suggest that, over Ubuntu, needs their head examined
[18:24] <penguin42> milaz: Does it say anything before it seg faults? Do you have a separate /boot ? Do you have other OSs installed?
[18:25] <tensorpudding> Assid: How much RAM does your machine have?
[18:25] <Assid> 768
[18:25] <Ken8521> w/ that amount of ram, i would not run KDE.. .run Gnome.
[18:25] <Ken8521> to much bloat on KDE.
[18:25] <stahlstift> hm
[18:26] <prodigy> i won't choose lxde under any situation
[18:26] <stahlstift> no can´t manage to get a bootable usb drive with the manuel on ubuntu.com on my mac
[18:26] <Ken8521> i actually had Gnome running on a laptop w/ a 1ghz processor and 768mb of ram, and it ran fine.
[18:26] <magicianlord> who has screenshots of their desktop
[18:26] <tensorpudding> 768 MB isn't that bad at all
[18:26] <prodigy> in old good days, 1ghz with 768m of ram was the magic machine for gentoo
[18:27] <Ken8521> tensorpudding: for kde4 it is... i have 2gigs of ram, and it drags on my machine
[18:27] <Ken8521> magicianlord: hang on a sec, i'll show you mine
[18:27] <Assid> yeah.. but its slow as hell on this
[18:27] <Ken8521> Assid: what is?
[18:27] <Assid> dell d600
[18:27] <Assid> i think 1.4ghz
[18:27] <milaz> penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/1958246
[18:27] <tensorpudding> it depends on the applications you run
[18:28] <tensorpudding> that's a Pentium M laptop I think
[18:28] <prodigy> p-m is not bad
[18:28] <tensorpudding> i had a lot of annoyance with running firefox on that much ram
[18:28] <Assid> yep
[18:28] <Assid> i just run chrome now
[18:28] <tensorpudding> it got mitigated a good bit when i switched to chrome
[18:28] <milaz> I have a lot of previous versions of ubuntu installed, but I afraid it did something bad with MBR
[18:29] <Assid> so what should i load on this?
[18:29] <Ken8521> magicianlord: this is y desktop, dual montiros, ubuntu host, XP guest.. my laptop.. it looks exactly like my ubuntu desktop in this screen shot...  http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=ubuntuxp.jpg
[18:29] <penguin42> milez: Well even if it is a bad MBR you can always boot off the thumb you used to install
[18:29] <magicianlord> ok, hold on
[18:29] <Assid> to be honest its just sitting around
[18:29] <Assid> i want my mom to start using a pc
[18:29] <Assid> i got her that chinese pad.. but i gave it in at work
[18:29] <penguin42> milez: Can you run /bin/sh -x /usr/sbin/update-grub -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:30] <Ken8521> chineese pad>
[18:30] <penguin42> milez: It should give a lot of output, but should show what the program that's actually segfaulting is
[18:30] <prodigy> google bugs you even you are using ff. so, i won't trust chrome
[18:30] <Ken8521> ?
[18:30] <Kuba> penguin42: well, I did exactly what you said: /etc/pm/config.d/10_something with SUSPEND_MODULES="xhci_hcd"
[18:30] <Assid> prodigy: lxde ?
[18:30] <prodigy> Assid: i will take xfce
[18:30] <penguin42> Kuba: Hmm it's probably worth mentioning that doesn't work in your bug report, I would have expected it to
[18:30] <Ken8521> xfce isn't that much lighter than Gnome.
[18:31] <Assid> hows pclinux any quicker than ubuntu ?
[18:31] <tensorpudding> lubuntu probably uses less resources, but if you run intensive applications it won't make a huge difference
[18:31] <Ken8521> Assid: it's not.. thats why i was surprised someone suggested it... it's actually not near as user friendly IMO.
[18:31] <Ken8521> Assid: what does this machine need to do?
[18:31] <prodigy> Assid, because pclos is compiled with i686
[18:31] <Kuba> penguin42: oh, now it worked
[18:31] <prodigy> Assid, pclos is much faster even in a vm
[18:31] <Assid> realistically .. chat/email/facebook :D
[18:32] <milaz> penguin42: it still segfaults. http://pastebin.ca/1958249
[18:32] <Kuba> penguin42: should it be +x chmoded? the config.d/* file?
[18:32] <Assid> prodigy: really?
[18:32] <prodigy> Assid, i said, i have tested
[18:32] <Assid> prodigy: how much quicker can i look for it to be ?
[18:32] <Ken8521> Assid: really, any OS will do that...
[18:32] <prodigy> Assid, at least, the botting time is less
[18:32] <tensorpudding> it probably runs fewer things at boot
[18:32] <magicianlord> cool man
[18:33] <Assid> Ken8521: i know.. id rather not had windows tho.. then i gotta load an antivirus.. which is gonna sucj more resources
[18:33] <prodigy> Assid, to see is to believe
[18:33] <magicianlord> are you running debian with xfce?
[18:33] <Ken8521> my experience w/ PcLinuxOS is exactly opposite, not to mention hardware recognition is not near the level of Ubuntu
[18:33] <Ken8521> Assid: i would look at lubuntu
[18:33] <magicianlord> check it out
[18:33] <Ken8521> if you're that worried about it, but i think Gnome would work fine
[18:33] <magicianlord> i'm gonna upload my shot
[18:33] <milaz> penguin42: probably it still wants to put MBR to my USB flash?
[18:33] <tensorpudding> do you have broadcom wifi?
[18:33] <prodigy> the ubuntu's forte is that ubuntu supports the lastest hardware
[18:34] <prodigy> so, i choose when i get a new toy
[18:34] <tensorpudding> it's not fun to switch distros to something that doesn't easily support those proprietary drivers
[18:34] <Ken8521> I used PcLinuxOS for about 4mo(actually the first linux distro I got to work 100%)... after that, I tried Fedora 4, and realized how bad PcLinuxOS sucked.. stayed w/ fedora till 5, then jumped to ubuntu at 6.06
[18:34] <milaz> penguin42: it looks like this
[18:34] <milaz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[18:34] <milaz> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/disk/by-id/usb-USB_2.0_Flash_Disk_00070308825DD7E6A853-0:0'.
[18:34] <Assid> my problem with running linux on my desktop is i mainly use xbmc .. and compiz +xbmc = bad
[18:35] <Ken8521> Assid: have you looked at Lubuntu
[18:35] <Ken8521> ?
[18:35] <milaz> Maybe there's a place where I can tell grub to use /dev/sda instead?
[18:35] <Assid> so my main desktop is w7
[18:35] <Assid> Ken8521: checking
[18:36] <Ken8521> Assid: you could install lubuntu, add what she needs, remove crap she doesn't and thats that...
[18:36] <prodigy> Assid: win7 can do everything linux can do
[18:36] <BUGabundo> bbl guys
[18:36] <Assid> prodigy: i know.. thats why its on my desktop
[18:36] <magicianlord> Ken8521: http://imagebin.org/117762
[18:37] <atheotsky> !isitout
[18:38] <magicianlord> why you lyin, ubottu
[18:38] <magicianlord> lol
[18:38] <Ken8521> magicianlord: not bad, not my style, not bad though.. now you want to se an awful one?  the other day, i remote desktop'd this computer to help them w/ a problem.. i've never saw a desktop that looked this awful, i actually took a screenshot and uploaded it. http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=wtf.jpg
[18:38] <mohraibat> lol
[18:38] <Assid> Ken8521: yeah will check it out
[18:39] <Ken8521> Assid: like i said, just for ease of use, etc..(since you said she's never used a computer) i would stick w/ one of the *buntu's... especially if you'll be expected to install software, etc.. it's a system you are familiar w/... if you can't use it or are not familiar with it, it's going to do her little good.
[18:39] <Ken8521> because from the sounds of it, she won't know ho to use it either
[18:40] <tensorpudding> Windows can't do everything Linux can do.
[18:40] <Assid> yeah
[18:40] <magicianlord> Ken8521: it's arch/openbox, with tint2 and conky running along the bottom. i used to have conky at the top and tint all the way acrossthe bottom, but for a netbook with 600 horizontal pixels, i just iminimized space last night
[18:40] <Ken8521> magicianlord: yeah, i actually like openbox on really old stuff.
[18:40] <magicianlord> the backgrounds is new
[18:40] <penguin42> milaz: You see the line where it says exec grub-mkconfig in that output ? can you run that line but instead of starting with exec start it with  sudo /bin/sh -x
[18:41] <penguin42> kuba: I didn't think it needed +x but wasn't too sure
[18:41] <magicianlord> the theme is statler-shiki, pulled from the crunchbang alpha2 iso
[18:41] <Assid> tomorrow i plan to blow up 1tb bandwith
[18:41] <Assid> at the very least
[18:41] <Ken8521> magicianlord: i've not looked at the new crunchbang iso... but i've always liked crunchbang
[18:43] <Ken8521> Assid: do you have any experience w/ Ubuntu?
[18:43] <Assid> err yes.... enough :D
[18:43] <Ken8521> ok
[18:43] <Assid> i just stopped using it cause i preferred w7
[18:43] <zeltak> hi how can i tell if i got pulse installed in the upgrade fron lucid to maverick (kubuntu)
[18:44] <magicianlord> Ken8521: it's cool. i started on crunchbang 9.04, then tried archbang, and now i simply recreate a clean install using the arch iso  that uses components of them, more mimimalistically though.
[18:44] <yofel> zeltak: apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[18:44] <Ken8521> Assid: i find that crazy, but OK>> :)
[18:44] <Kuba> penguin42: hmm, it doesn't need +x; i must have mistyped it previously
[18:44] <Assid> Ken8521: linux packages need to learn to play nice with each other
[18:45] <magicianlord> Ken8521: the background you saw is from win7, heh. i have two monochrome backgrounds that i prefer mostly, just went for this last night
[18:45] <penguin42> Kuba: Ah cool
[18:45] <magicianlord> it's a bambu forest and an artistic bird sitting on a tree.
[18:45] <Ken8521> magicianlord: it's not bad.. did you see that other one i posted, on th machine I VNC'd... it was awful, not sure how they use it
[18:45] <zeltak> yofel: i get this: pulseaudio:
[18:45] <zeltak>   Installed: (none)
[18:46] <zeltak> i assume that means the install didnt do it
[18:46] <yofel> zeltak: then it's not installed currently, do you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed?
[18:46] <Kuba> penguin42: Than You very uch for helping me out; seems like i need to file a bug report, never done that before ;/
[18:46] <prodigy> my pulseaudio is working like a charm
[18:46] <robotti^> when next ubuntu will be released?
[18:46] <robotti^> :)
[18:47] <zeltak> yofel: sure i only dist-upgraded from kubuntu lucid
[18:47] <penguin42> Kuba: Well it'll be a great bug - it says >>that<< module is broken
[18:47] <prodigy> robotti^: it should be 11.04
[18:47] <robotti^> prodigy: no! I mean ubuntu 10.10
[18:47] <magicianlord> Ken8521: the xp one? yes
[18:47] <yofel> zeltak: hm, kubuntu-desktop recommends pulseaudio, so as long as installing recommended packages isn't turned off it should have installed it
[18:47] <robotti^> prodigy: I am using 10.04
[18:48] <prodigy> everybody is
[18:48] <Ken8521> magicianlord: no.. that was actually my machine w/ XP as a guest OS.
[18:48] <zeltak> hey thats wierd i apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop and it says none
[18:48] <zeltak> yofel: how is that possible
[18:48] <robotti^> how to update 10.04 to 10.10
[18:48] <prodigy> robotti^: it's not wise
[18:48] <Ken8521> !upgrade | robotti^
[18:48] <yofel> zeltak: maybe it got removed by a dependency conflict? only update-manager makes sure the meta-packages don't get removed, dist-upgrade doesn't handle them in any special way
[18:49] <zeltak> hmmm so what do you suggest i do now?
[18:49] <Ken8521> magicianlord: this one.. http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/?action=view&current=wtf.jpg
[18:49] <Kuba> vbgunz: my problem was caused by the usb 3.0 module xhci_hcd
[18:49] <penguin42> Kuba: When you file it please tell us the bug number
[18:50] <zeltak> yofel: should i apt-get kubntu desktop?
[18:50] <yofel> zeltak: btw, are you running netbook? you should have either kubuntu-desktop or -netbook installed though, if it's missing install it
[18:50] <prodigy> Kuba: too many interrupts in the powertop?
[18:50] <zeltak> laoptop (so desktop version) so if its missing i should apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[18:50] <yofel> right
[18:50] <prodigy> Kuba: my usb 3.0 is fast like a ghost
[18:51] <Kuba> prodigy: I do't have any usb 3.0 capable device ;p
[18:51] <prodigy> Kuba: usb 3.0 and sata 3.0 can boost your old 2.0 devices
[18:51] <[tla]> Hi.  I have an issue with Maverick not muting the speakers when I plug in headphones.  /proc/asound/card0/codec#* lists the Codecs as: Realtek ALC262 and LSI Si3054. Tried adding "options snd-hda-intel model=hp" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but no improvement.  Laptop is Toshiba Satellite Pro A120.  Any ideas?
[18:52] <Kuba> prodigy: and tbh, I don't know what You meant by Your first post, about the powertop ;d
[18:52] <Kuba> penguin42: Okay, when I learn how to file it ;d
[18:52] <prodigy> ...
[18:52] <penguin42> Kuba: Run   ubuntu-bug linux
[18:52] <milaz> penguin42: sorry, my internet connection failed
[18:52] <milaz> prnguin42: here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1958261
[18:53] <magicianlord> Ken8521: what's with the blue hearts background? heh
[18:53] <Ken8521> magicianlord: i dunno..lol
[18:53] <Ken8521> weird folks i guess
[18:53] <magicianlord> lol
[18:56] <penguin42> milaz: That's odd, one or more of the scripts in /etc/grub.d is itself causing it to seg fault - if you do dmesg are there any errors at the end of it?
[18:57] <milaz> penguin42: yes, [ 4459.336809] grub-probe[15004]: segfault at 0 ip 004c015a sp bf9615ac error 4 in libc-2.12.1.so[44c000+157000]
[18:58] <penguin42> milaz: That shouldn't happen!
[18:59] <milaz> I actually tracked with sh -x 30_os-prober script, and found that offending program is grub-probe
[18:59] <milaz> sudo /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device /dev/sda6 --target=drive
[18:59] <milaz> Segmentation fault
[19:00] <penguin42> milaz: Want to add a -v to that ?
[19:01] <penguin42> milaz: Is there anything odd about your disk setup or installations?
[19:02] <Mathuin> Not to be neurotic, but what *time* tomorrow is the release?
[19:04] <penguin42> Mathuin: We don't know
[19:04] <davidc3> Around ten, but I don't know which timezone ;)
[19:04] <Mathuin> Very nice, davidc3 :-)
[19:04] <Mathuin> I just finished backing up the three systems I'm going to upgrade, so I'm sorta chomping at the bit.
[19:05] <milaz> penguin42: sorry, my internet connection again failed :(
[19:05] <milaz> here's a tail of my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1958272
[19:05] <milaz> aha, -v gives this: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: info: cannot open `/boot/grub/device.map'
[19:05] <ChogyDan> Mathuin: folks will be asking all day tomorrow, no one will know, and then it will just happen at some point
[19:05] <Mathuin> "segfault at 0 ip" -- does that indicate a null pointer exception?
[19:05] <Mathuin> ChogyDan: so my best bet is to just forget about it until nighttime.
[19:05] <magicianlord> !isitout
[19:06] <magicianlord> oh, come on, ubottu!!!!
[19:06] <magicianlord> (lol)
[19:06]  * Mathuin thanks ubottu for its blunt but honest approach.
[19:06] <penguin42> milaz: I'm going to get food now; You could try manually creating a device.map or maybe trying to figure out what it doesn't like about your system
[19:06] <magicianlord> what time is the iso out?
[19:06] <magicianlord> 12 EST?
[19:07] <milaz> penguin42: thank you very much
[19:07] <milaz> I'll read now about device.map and will create it if I figure out :)
[19:08] <Kuba> penguin42: #657410 is it okay?
[19:09] <Kuba> #657410
[19:09] <Kuba> no bot response? :P
[19:10] <ChogyDan> bug 657410
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> !release
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> magicianlord:  there is no set time...
[19:10] <Kuba> ChogyDan: :)
[19:11] <magicianlord> there is no set time...
[19:11] <magicianlord> wut a g
[19:13] <donniezazen> hi
[19:14] <yofel> magicianlord: the release isos are being tested currently, once all tests have been finished and no grave issues found it will be released
[19:14] <yofel> the time when that is depends on the time and amount of iso testers
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if my TERM type will stop getting set to be 'dumb' :)
[19:15] <mohraibat> yofel, so lets say they do grave issues then what ???
[19:16] <yofel> mohraibat: they'll probably send a message that the release will be delayed? doesn't happen usually, but they have the option to do that
[19:16] <mohraibat> ahhh
[19:17] <Mathuin> yofel: thanks for the update.
[19:17] <magicianlord> yofel: thanks. hope they work with usb creator
[19:18] <mohraibat> !isitout
[19:18] <prodigy> just jerk it off
[19:18] <androidbruce> lol @ !isitout
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> Id rather have them wait.. then release it with issues...
[19:18] <magicianlord> is there a place to download the new ubuntu font? also, a local grocery store chain is using the same font on soda bottles.
[19:18] <androidbruce> Dr_Willis, it's true
[19:18] <magicianlord> interesting, he?
[19:19] <androidbruce> magicianlord, pics or GTFO
[19:19] <yofel> magicianlord: it's installed by default in maverick
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> magicianlord:  yes.. i think its even in the topioc..
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> theres a ubuntu font ppa also i belive
[19:19] <magicianlord> i'll buy a bottle and scan it
[19:19] <magicianlord> it's like diet cola
[19:19] <prodigy> somebody maintains a font server
[19:19] <androidbruce> magicianlord, cool deal
[19:19] <prodigy> but i have my own golden elite fonts
[19:19] <magicianlord> yofel: i'd like to pull the font and use it on another distro
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> magicianlord:  thats shouldent be too hard.
[19:20] <magicianlord> thanks
[19:20] <trism> magicianlord: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/public-ubuntu-font-family-ppa-for.html
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> I used the font for some Rummage Sale Signs this weekend.
[19:21] <tensorpudding> It's not really an impressive font
[19:22] <tensorpudding> though it's more noticeable than Sans
[19:22] <prodigy> free fonts have only crappy hinting
[19:22] <donniezazen> Do you guys think Maverick is resource intensive? My fan kind of runs all the time.
[19:22] <magicianlord> i need the font family in raw format that can be extracted to another distro. arch in this case
[19:22] <tensorpudding> my load average is 0.47
[19:23] <tensorpudding> so i'm thinking not
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> How to force the ubuntu font to be used on web sites with a bookmarklet :) what fun --> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/use-ubuntu-font-on-websites-bookmarklet
[19:23] <ChogyDan> donniezazen: try switching the cpu governer
[19:23] <tensorpudding> magicianlord: it's just fonts, you could probably convert it to a PKGBUILD or whatnot
[19:23] <prodigy> you can install 100+ distros then merge all fonts in a collection
[19:24] <magicianlord> tensorpudding: yes, 'll check AUR
[19:24] <prodigy> but it's not enough though
[19:24] <donniezazen> ChogyDan i have never used scaling in Ubuntu i will have to look into it.
[19:25] <tensorpudding> is the source a bunch of fontforge files or something?
[19:25] <magicianlord> it's a deb
[19:25] <magicianlord> should be able to rip it open and extract
[19:25] <duffydack> donniezazen, are you using ati
[19:25] <tensorpudding> i'm grabbing the tarball from the website
[19:26] <tensorpudding> i just had the notion of porting it
[19:26] <donniezazen> duffydack i use nvidia with nouveau with 3d
[19:26] <magicianlord> what about just copying the contents to the font directory
[19:27] <magicianlord> yep. usr/share/fonts
[19:28] <tensorpudding> ah, fontlab
[19:30] <wxl> so will tomorrow's release offe a ppc version that fits on a cd (and boots)?
[19:30] <magicianlord> now let's see if openbox sees it
[19:30] <andyl> anyone have an eta for the final iso ??
[19:31] <magicianlord> yep
[19:31] <wxl> tomorrow andyl  :)
[19:31] <russjr08> I can't wait! :)
[19:31] <Guest83871> http://files.vector.org.pl/get/6CCrMHtMgj
[19:31] <Guest83871> so
[19:31] <Guest83871> ;]
[19:32] <Guest83871> i got final rel
[19:32] <magicianlord> meh. i prefer the clean font.
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> !ppc
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> wxl:  ive not kept up woth how current the PPC  releases are. Not heard anytyhing one way or the other about PPC and 10.10
[19:33] <prodigy> is powerpc still alive?
[19:33] <wxl> Dr_Willis: um thx for the info? there's an rc already out
[19:34] <magicianlord> prodigy: yes, just like the PowerVR GPU used in Sega's Dreamcast.
[19:34] <wxl> prodigy: ppc sux but it's all my PowerBook's got
[19:34] <magicianlord> Dreamcast 2 is coming.
[19:36] <wxl> Guest83871: so wish I could make use of that but being cursed with a ppc my only option is Qemu which is awful slow
[19:36] <Guest83871> buy computer with normal hardware ;)
[19:37] <intrader> Still unsolved - brasero 'Segmentation fault' - I have reinstalled - apport does not have enough ram to write its report (350K available)
[19:37] <wxl> heh yeah, let me give you my PayPal addy so you can donate
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> brasero has had issues in the last few releases - from what ive read..    i tend to use k3b for my needs. :) *ghasp*
[19:39] <Ken8521> intrader: install gnomebaker?
[19:39] <Ken8521> brasero is awful.. i've never understood why they nuked gnomebaker, in favor of brasero
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> to save 2k of disk space?
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> !info gnomebaker
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> !info brasero
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. 800+K :)
[19:40] <Ken8521> lol
[19:41] <Ken8521> 800k isn't all that much
[19:41] <Ken8521> it's barely 1mb
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> whats scary  is thats proberly IS the reason they picked the smaller...
[19:41] <Ken8521> if 1mb was a concern, you probably wouldn't need any burning app
[19:41]  * prodigy uses crappy cdrrecord
[19:41] <penguin42> Kuba: Yeh that's great
[19:41] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: yeah, forget the fact one works, and one doesnt..lol
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  works most of the time. :)
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  they got WUBI on the cd.. so that logic seems commonplace.
[19:42] <Ken8521> i never have probs out of Gnomebaker.. it's among the fist apps I install, and brasero is among the first i nuke
[19:42] <Dr_Willis> I cant recall any issues with Brasero really,.. but  i dont use it much.
[19:42] <penguin42> It did manage to burn me a coaster a couple of days ago
[19:42] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: only issue i recall with it, is it not burning CD's no matter what i done.. always errors, etc...
[19:43] <avo> You guys know the gnome panel bug where they applets move around?
[19:43] <Ken8521> where Gnomebaker and k3b, worked fine, no problem
[19:43] <avo> Has that been fixed in Maverick?
[19:43] <Dr_Willis> I DO recall some odd ness when making a data dvd,. and wanting to verify.. it would spit out the disk.. then ask me to stick it back in..  then pop up a 'what do you want to do with this disk dialog' which seems..  confuseing
[19:43] <Dr_Willis> burnign ISO files is about all i do these days
[19:43] <Ken8521> ya
[19:44] <Dr_Willis> avo:  ive  not seen anyone in here mention such a problem..
[19:44] <mohraibat> !isitout
[19:44] <Kuba> btw any ideas why my pings are about 50x higher with ac power cord unplugged? ;<
[19:44] <intrader> Ken8521, Dr_Willis:  I'm installing gnomebaker - but now I am confused - what would be the best way to burn an iso on ubuntu?
[19:44] <prodigy> just jerk it off
[19:44] <avo> It's a very well known bug, and pretty well documented.
[19:44] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  any of the tools can proberly handle it.
[19:44] <Ken8521> intrader: i always use gnomebaker...
[19:44] <magicianlord> what's better: notification-daemon, or xfce4-notifyd?
[19:44] <Ken8521> but like Dr_Willis said.. any of the tools should be able to burn an ISO
[19:44] <avo> I was under the impression that it had been patched, but I don't know if that patch got included in the gnome that maverick has
[19:44] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  i recall some right click -> burn to disk   item also.. but im not sure what tool used that.
[19:45] <Dr_Willis> brasero has the smallest feature set of any of the tools...  i imagine k3b has the largest featureset.
[19:45] <magicianlord> later
[19:46] <Ken8521> probably
[19:46] <Dr_Willis> what i really dont get is that most of these tools are just front ends to the various back end tools..  Not sure why there would be issues with one  and not the others..
[19:46] <Dr_Willis> perhaps the defaults they are using/passing to the back end tools..
[19:46] <intrader> Ken8521, Dr_Willis:  sorry, 'any' does not cut it - brasero is failing. Right click gives me brasero.
[19:46] <Ken8521> intrader: ok, so use gnomebaker to burn an ISO.
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  so you are specifically burning an ISO file ? not createing a iso from data?
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> i  dont recall  brasero ever failing to burn an iso for me.  Just when i was making my own data disks it had issues  i recall.
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> theres even command line tools you could use to burn an iso to disk.
[19:49] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I get 'Segmentation fault' with brasero. And on 9.04 it works fine.
[19:49] <Guest28409> hello there. My touchpad is behaving odd after 10.10 rc upgrade. The pointer is too fast and side scrolling does not work. Any ideas?
[19:49] <Dr_Willis> definatly dont get a seg fault here.. that is weird.
[19:49] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I want to try mono2.8 which comes in the 11.3 suse iso
[19:50] <Dr_Willis> You may be able to setup grub to boot the iso file. :) or make a bootable usb flash.. but ive not used suse in years...
[19:50] <intrader> Dr_Willis, memory issue perhaps on my machine?
[19:50] <Dr_Willis> or use it in virtualbox ..
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> or use k3b, or other tools.. or i just saw the cli command....
[19:51] <phoenix_> i am going to upgrade to kubuntu 10.10, i wonder if ktorrent downloads will get affected when i upgrade my os, in case of the settings
[19:51] <intrader> Dr_Willis, suse offers mono2.8
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> wodim dev=/dev/cdrw -v -data cd_image.iso
[19:51] <jimqode2> Sorry, repeating  because of nick change.  My touchpad is behaving odd after 10.10 rc upgrade. The pointer is too fast and side scrolling and tap to click does not work. Any ideas?
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  that means very little to me. :) You may as well say it comes in 'pink'
[19:52] <intrader> Dr_Willis, what is the 'wodim' sorcery?
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  wodim is the backend tool that most of these other tools are using. its the replacement for  the old 'cdrecord' command.
[19:53] <Dr_Willis> from man wodim --> wodim - write data to optical disk media
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[19:54] <intrader> Dr_Willis, gnomebaker does not come up in the context menu of the .iso file and when I open it, does not offer baking isos
[19:55] <Dr_Willis> gnome baker has a 'burn cd image' or 'burn dvd image' right there in the tools menu for me...
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> It dosent seem to support getting passed an iso file as an argument. so no right click on iso to burn it in gnomebaker it seems...
[19:57] <intrader> Dr_Willis, gnomebaker only offers 'Data DVD' 'Data CD' and 'Audio CD' - it does offer the Burn in the 'Data CD' - will this do?
[19:58] <Dr_Willis> gnomebaker, top menu items - TOOLS --> last 2 items, burn cd image, and burn dvd image.
[19:58] <tensorpudding> wait, seriously?
[19:58] <Dr_Willis> Not the buttons under 'create new project'
[19:59] <tensorpudding> ubuntu's font designed for community editing, is in a format only supported by a windows&mac-only program?
[19:59] <Dr_Willis> tensorpudding:   are you talking to yourself again? :) or want to give some details..
[19:59] <intrader> Dr_Willis, gnomebaker offers the 'Data CD' - I am burning the iso with that - will that be correct?
[20:00] <mohraibat> intrader: last time i tried that i got a message sayin cannot mount filesystem
[20:00] <tensorpudding> just being confused
[20:00] <mohraibat> it was on 10.04 live cd
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  I used the item in the MENU  Tools -> burn dvd image , to burn a DVD.iso file i had.. thats how you do it..  If i wanted to MAKE a dvd iso. i would use that Button that says 'Data DVD'  thats Not what you use to burn a preexisting dvd.iso file.
[20:01] <Ken8521> intrader: no, in the tools menu, use "Burn CD ISO" then navigate to your ISO
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  :) how many times have i said in the Tools menu now. :)
[20:02] <Ken8521> oh sorry, i didn't see where you said it
[20:02] <Dr_Willis>  top menu items - TOOLS --> last 2 items, burn cd image, and burn dvd image.
[20:02] <Ken8521> lol
[20:02] <mohraibat> what u talkin bout willis
[20:02] <mohraibat> XD
[20:03] <Ken8521> is he just not listening?
[20:03] <intrader> mohraibat, Dr_Willis: unfortunately, this is an old machine with only a CD burner -no dvd. By the way, it it still burning it. I will try when done and let you know.
[20:04] <Dr_Willis> The SUSE thing comes on a cd? :) i though all the other disrtos were using dvd's now.
[20:04] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: naa, there's still a few that hvae CD's
[20:04] <Ken8521> frankly, i think there should be a concerted effort to switch to IMG's
[20:04] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu is getting harder and harder to squeeze on a cd..
[20:04] <Ken8521> and make some good IMG tools.
[20:05] <Ken8521> but there's still some machines out there that dn't boot USB
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard the next release is to use grub on the cd's  that will be interesting.
[20:05] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: really?
[20:05] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I downloaded the .iso from the mono site - there is no ubuntu release available.
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  at least its in the plans...
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  or so i hear.. I can set up grub2 to boot ISo files. :) so i could make a DVD with grub2 that could boot any of several disrtos.
[20:06] <Dr_Willis> Now that would be handy.
[20:06] <prodigy> in old good days, it's a dream to download all 8 cds of debian
[20:06] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: set up grub2 to boot iso files on thumb drives(like even when a machine won't boot a thumb drive)
[20:08] <Ken8521> how do you get invited to the developer summit?
[20:10] <intrader> Dr_Willis, burn barely moving down to 3 minutes remaining (from 4) - so at least it is not hanging.
[20:10] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  ive seen some trick for that.. but never needed it.
[20:11] <Ken8521> hmm, i'd like to try it(my pc won't boot USB)
[20:11] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  i set up grub2 to boot an ISO file from a hard drive as a 'emergancy' rescue/reinstall option
[20:11] <Ken8521> hmm, and where did you put that ISO file?.. on a small partition?
[20:11] <Dr_Willis> You could pull the, do that to it from a 2nd pc..  and then put it back
[20:11] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  yes.  my /boot/ partition is 10gb. :) heh...
[20:11] <Dr_Willis> so it has space for like 5+ different ISO files.
[20:12] <Ken8521> hmm, thats interesting.... but it wouldn't necessarily have to be /boot would it?
[20:12] <Dr_Willis> i edited the /etc/grub.d/40_custom to have the proper entries.
[20:12] <Ken8521> the ISO file i mean
[20:12] <Dr_Willis> easier to put them in /boot/ that way i can reisntall the rest of the HD.
[20:12] <Dr_Willis> 'best' would be on a different hd. so you can reformat  the hd you are installing to.
[20:12] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: thats what i was thinking...
[20:13] <Dr_Willis> proberly be faster to install also..  from hd1 (iso file) to hd2...
[20:13] <intrader> Dr_Willis, with the price for a lenovo at $385, maybe I will dump the "dell inspiron 8200' - The problem is money, I am currently not contemplating more expenditures.
[20:13] <Dr_Willis> but in any case that would be a MUCH faster install then from a cd.
[20:13] <Ken8521> so if i could set grub2 to boot a thumb drive that i had an ISO on...
[20:13] <Ken8521> i could reinstall to the hard drive.
[20:13] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  if i plug in a usb hd. and run update-grub - it does see  my flash drive and set up menu items to boot it. i noticed.. that suprused me. :)
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> But im not sure how  well grub can access the usb - IF your bios dosent have the full support to boot from it.
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> I dont have any machines with that limitation any more.
[20:14] <Ken8521> wow Dr_Willis i hadn't tried that. might do that right now... now another question.. did you just copy/paste the ISO onto the thumb drive, or did you extract it there, or what?
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> copy the iso file to the flash drive..  check the bookmarks i got at....
[20:15] <Dr_Willis> http://delicious.com/dr_willis/grub2  (i think)
[20:15] <Ken8521> olk
[20:15] <Dr_Willis> Its not too hard a setup. the main issue is that the grub.cfg has to have  different entries depending on the  disrto/iso.
[20:15] <Ace2> I have a USB bluetooth dongle that I am trying to install. I can't seem to get it. Can someone help me?
[20:15] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu uses differnt grub2 options to boot ITS iso.. then say.. tiny core linux would...
[20:15]  * duffydack still prefers gujin
[20:16] <Dr_Willis> which is different then what   archlinux uses...
[20:16] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu has some weirdly named boot options. :)
[20:16] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: curious, any particular filesystem the thumb drive should be? would ext2 be OK.. which are you using?
[20:16] <phoenix_> is 10.10 out
[20:16] <Ken8521> !isitout
[20:16] <intrader> Dr_Willis, can I point Grub2 to the iso of suse?
[20:17] <phoenix_> is there any reason for the delay
[20:17] <Ken8521> phoenix_: no delay.. 10.10.10
[20:17] <intrader> Dr_Willis, the iso is sitting in the Downloads directory.
[20:17] <Ken8521> tomorrow
[20:17] <Dr_Willis> it can even be fat32 if you are buuting the iso from it i think..   one issue on the url/examples for 10.10  watch out for the disrtos that change the bnames of vmlinuz to be somthing else, or initrd.gz becoming initrd.bz or similer 'little' changes
[20:17] <mohraibat> phoenix_: its cause they r testing it rite now
[20:18] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  suse may  need special options to boot that way. ive never done it with suse. but in theory the iso could be most anywhere.
[20:18] <Ken8521> ok, i'll try fat32
[20:18] <phoenix_> mohraibat: you mean they didnt compile the final package
[20:19] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  example grub2 entry for suse here...
[20:19] <Dr_Willis> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/install-boot-login/442015-opensuse-iso-menuentry-grub2.html
[20:19] <mohraibat> phoenix_: i cant say for sure i just found out they were testing like 1.5 hrs ago
[20:19] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  oh wait.. thats a guy asking for one.. :) theres not one there...
[20:20] <Dr_Willis> if you got 10.10 installed. and updated/upgraded as of right now.. you basically have the final allready
[20:20] <phoenix_> mohraibat: oh. is there a place where i can see the availablity
[20:20] <Dr_Willis> I plan on update/upgrading everything today.. then waiting a week befor i do it again.  becuse the servers will be sooooo overloaded for the next week.
[20:20] <intrader> Dr_Willis, your nick is showing both with color and black - what gives?
[20:21] <duffydack> I bet if you get a daily-live today and try zsync it tomorrow, it`ll be the same :)
[20:21] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  no idea...
[20:21]  * Dr_Willis wonders if this is what you mean.
[20:21] <mohraibat> phoenix_: <yofel> magicianlord: the release isos are being tested currently, once all tests have been finished and no grave issues found it will be released
 the time when that is depends on the time and amount of iso testers
[20:21] <mohraibat> no clue
[20:22] <intrader> Dr_Willis, what about 'brasero' in the upgrade?
[20:22] <phoenix_> mohraibat: thats a good info, thanks :)
[20:22] <yofel> mohraibat, phoenix_: see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ (most are done)
[20:22] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  ive no issues with brasero.. so cant really say.
[20:22] <mohraibat> yofel: thanks for the update
[20:23] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: strange.. it didn't show up when i updated grub.
[20:23] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  i think update-grub looks for specific named kernels and initrd's for tiny core. I had to rename them to fit the ubuntu pattern. and it auto added them for me.
[20:24] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  i did have a ubuntu installed to flash show up on a different pc after i did a update-grub with it plugged in.
[20:24] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis: well, it's an ubuntu ISO...
[20:24] <Ken8521> hmm
[20:24] <Dr_Willis> an ISO you MUST as i mentioned.. make a entry in the /etc/grub.d/40_custom for it.
[20:24] <Ken8521> oh.. i missed that
[20:24] <Dr_Willis> it does not auto-detect-add iso images files.. :) that would be really.. impressive.
[20:25] <Dr_Willis> I had like 5 differnt iso entries in my 40_custome for the laptop
[20:25] <Ken8521> hmm, lemme check out this link on ubuntuforums...
[20:25] <Dr_Willis> each one had to be tweaked - depending on the disrto.. ubuntu does things one way. suse another, tinycore. another...
[20:25] <bigbrovar> anyone running kubuntu 10.10 here? I am having issues with kopete and the indicator thingie.
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  check that delicious.com/dr_willis links also for grub2.. i got some examples bookmarked.
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> bed time for me.
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> Niht all.
[20:27] <bigbrovar> when I close the kopete main window its suppose to continue to on in the indicator plasmoid. But instead the process just freezes and I would have to kill the process again and restart it before it works again
[20:27] <intrader> Dr_Willis, the data CD does not boot - probably must be specifically a burn of iso
[20:27] <Ace2> Can someone help me get my bluetooth USB dongle to work?
[20:33] <mohraibat> intrader: did u burn it as a data disk cause it wont work. u have to burn the image
[20:35] <intrader> mohraibat, I burned it as a data disk - I am now burning it as an image and I will try again to boot. Thanks. Why doesn't gnomebake show up in the context menu?
[20:36] <duffydack> Ken8521, another (simpler) method is http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html
[20:36] <Ken8521> ok... thanks
[20:36] <barebone> Hello everyone, If I update my 10.04 to 10.10 using "update-manager -d" command, will all of my previous settings/preferences remain unchaged?
[20:37] <barebone> And the installed softwares will work fine?
[20:37] <duffydack> barebone, thats the idea :)
[20:37] <barebone> duffydack, sorry?
[20:37] <duffydack> barebone, I still prefer fresh installs myself..
[20:38] <duffydack> barebone, I habe only performed upgrade with a fresh install of an older ubuntu and it went well,  so yes your programs and settings wont be affected
[20:38] <duffydack> have*
[20:38] <barebone> Oh, that's good news.
[20:38] <intrader> mohraibat, by the way how do I upgrade to the latest? Perhaps therein I will have a better brasero that does not Segfault.
[20:38] <barebone> Thanks duffydack.
[20:39] <duffydack> barebone, backup before you upgrade..
[20:39] <barebone> duffydack, how?
[20:39] <barebone> What files I need to backup?
[20:39] <duffydack> I usually do a full backup with clonezilla..but its upto you.
[20:41] <barebone> duffydack, I don't know what I need to backup, or what are you referring to?
[20:41] <phoenix_> is it relesed. i hear people bursting fireworks
[20:41] <barebone> duffydack, sorry, I am a fresher.
[20:42] <duffydack> barebone, is home on seperate partition?
[20:42] <barebone> Yes.
[20:42] <duffydack> well thats fine then, still good to have a backup of your old installation to revert back to if things go pear shaped
[20:44] <barebone> duffydack, Oh, no, I didn't get your question first. My home isn't in the different partition. I used the last whole partition to install ubuntu.
[20:44] <barebone> So, home is in there.
[20:45] <intrader> mohraibat, I know, first `sudo apt-get update`, then  `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[20:46] <barebone> duffydack, do I need to back up my home folder only?
[20:46] <duffydack> barebone, personally, I would.
[20:47] <duffydack> but then I`d have home on a seperate partition.. much easier
[20:47] <duffydack> makes reinstalling a breeze, for example..
[20:47] <barebone> duffydack, when I installed it, I didn't know how to do that. :(
[20:48] <duffydack> maybe now is a good time to repartition and do a fresh install :)
[20:49] <barebone> duffydack, How to uninstall the present version?
[20:49] <phoenix_> duffydack: the are some bugs in manual partitioning
[20:49] <phoenix_> in kubuntu 10.10 i38
[20:49] <duffydack> phoenix_, really?  not when I installed the RC
[20:50] <duffydack> phoenix_, it shouldnt be released till its fixed then, if there are bugs in the installer..
[20:51] <barebone> duffydack, gotta go now. Thank you for your help.
[20:51] <barebone> Have a good time.
[20:51] <duffydack> k
[20:51] <phoenix_> duffydack: they say when the bug happens, when you press the retry button , it works
[20:52] <phoenix_> duffydack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/657350
[21:00] <pegasusbil> is 10.04 lts upgradable to 10.10 lts?
[21:00] <russjr08> 10.10 is not lts
[21:00] <russjr08> but yea you can upgrade
[21:01] <russjr08> you can when it comes out, or now by running update-manager-d, but it is recommended to wait till tomorrow
[21:01] <russjr08> oops, that update-manager -d
[21:01] <pegasusbil> i thought 10.10 released tomorrow was lts?
[21:02] <yofel> no, the lts releases are 2 years apart, so after 10.04 the next lts will be 12.04
[21:02] <pegasusbil> thanks
[21:07] <peto_> hello
[21:11] <peto_> how many hours to the release?
[21:11] <Pr070cal> Lol thats what I was going to ask
[21:12] <penguin42> if I was going to do it I'd do it at 10:10:10 on 10.10 if you'd decided to do it on the 10th, but there again I'd heard a suggestion it would be a bit later than that
[21:15] <andrr> I cannot load the 2.6.35-22 kernel, while the 2.6.32-25 one is working.How can I load the latest kernel version?
[21:15] <intrader> mohraibat, nothing upgraded - brasero starts from the terminal, but fails when started from context menu at the point that the blank CD is mounted.
[21:15] <aguitel> at what time will be avaleable 10.10 ?
[21:15] <penguin42> andrr: When you say you can't load it, what happens?
[21:15] <duffydack> "10 Oct, 16:10 (Samoa time), but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 1 hour"
[21:16] <intrader> mohraibat, now 'reliably' I get 'Segmentatioin fault' - I will try reboot
[21:17] <andrr> penguin42:I pick the Ubuntu 2.6.35-22 menu item, it starts charging, but afterwards a few lines of code which are are about "kernel_thread_helper" or smth. alike are rendered.And then, nothing.
[21:17] <penguin42> andrr: Have you got a digital camera? If so could you get us a picture of those errors?
[21:20] <andrr> penguin42:I don't, but I guess I could write the lines down, thought it might take a while.
[21:20] <andrr> penguin42:Also, I reckon smth. like "fs mount"...
[21:21] <psusi> I've been tracking the daily live build with zsync, but once it is released tomorrow, will there be a zsync generated to go from the daily to release somewhere?
[21:22] <penguin42> andrr: Thing is the details of the errors might help us figure out what went on, but the kernel_thread_helper or something is too vague I'm afraid
[21:22] <mgunes> psusi: yes, final releases have zsync metafiles; see http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[21:23] <psusi> ahh
[21:24] <andrr> penguin42:Aren't those errors saved in the log viewer?
[21:25] <penguin42> andrr: It depends how far it got, it failed really early on then no
[21:32] <duffydack> with Lucid, I had a daily live from the day before, and it didnt need updating :)
[21:34] <intrader> mohraibat, I have rebooted, same - brasero 'Segmentation  fault' once the blank CD has loaded - the brasero dialog waiting for CD disappears when the CD dialog appears.
[21:36] <intrader> mohraibat, at least gnomebaker worked - I have mono running on another machine loaded from .iso
[21:36] <Ken8521> gnomebaker r0x0rz
[21:37] <intrader> Ken8521, what is r0x0rz?
[21:38] <Ken8521> intrader: i believe it's l33t speak for rocks.
[21:38] <Ken8521> !leet
[21:38] <Ken8521> :)
[21:39] <intrader> Ken8521, I am learning the lingo, lol
[21:39] <Ken8521> intrader: lol
[21:40] <intrader> Ken8521, I wonder why ubuntu is packaged with brasero?. It does not work for me.
[21:41] <Ken8521> intrader: i think shuttleworth is getting kickbacks from them
[21:42] <Ken8521> ubuntu used to include Gnomebaker.. which.. IMO.. is far superior to brasero(mainly because it works)
[21:42] <danyR> intrader: Ken8521not wanting to be rude, but hey, just because it doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it won't work too to *milions* of other users
[21:42] <Assid> gnight
[21:43] <Ken8521> danyR: i've yet to help a new linux user, that has had brasero work for them.. so.. not to be rude, i'm not just drawing on my experience
[21:43] <area51pilot> what is a good linux firewall with gui
[21:43] <intrader> Ken8521, brasero must be failing on this machine 'Dell Inspiron 8200 1Gb'.
[21:43] <Ken8521> and for what it's worth, whenever someone says "not tryign to be rude" they are... it's a psychological way of dealing with it
[21:43] <intrader> Ken8521, only
[21:44] <area51pilot> Ken8521:  :-D
[21:44] <Ken8521> area51pilot: ?
[21:44] <area51pilot> rationalization
[21:44] <Ken8521> intrader: it has never worked on any of my machines
[21:44]  * Skaperen is not trying to be rude by his silence
[21:44] <Ken8521> area51pilot: its true.
[21:44] <area51pilot> yep
[21:44] <Ken8521> area51pilot: my sister always says "I'm not trying to be mean but.."... well, yeah you are
[21:44] <perlsyntax> why is the apt-get build-dep emacs not working for?
[21:45] <area51pilot> Ken8521: I know exactly where u r coming from ... and I admit I do the same with the same intentions :P
[21:45] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: got source repos enabled?
[21:45] <perlsyntax> how do i do that.
[21:45] <Ken8521> area51pilot: i don't.. i speak freely whats on my mind.. if i want to say something, i say it... if i want to say something and feel i should preface it by "not trying to be rude.. but".. i just don't say it, or i say it and don't worry if they are offended
[21:46] <area51pilot> any suggestions on a good firewall with gui???
[21:46] <intrader> Ken8521, I wonder what they packaged with 9.04. The context menu there works on a 'Lenovo R61p 4Gb'; I don't know whether it is brasero or not
[21:46] <Ken8521> intrader: i dunno, been a while since i had 9.04...
[21:46] <area51pilot> i must be bi-polar, cause I do that to sometimes  :)
[21:46] <Ken8521> area51pilot: i don't use software firwealls... but there's a few GUI fronts for iptables..
[21:46] <Ken8521> !firewall | area51pilot
[21:46] <area51pilot> ok thx
[21:47] <area51pilot> I will look it up
[21:47] <Ken8521> now how good they are?... not trying to be rude.. but you'll have tof igure that out for yourself.. :)
[21:47] <area51pilot> :P
[21:48] <intrader> Ken8521, I am sticking with 10.10 (RC?) - only thing that so far does not work is brasero. It is far better than 10.04 or 9.04
[21:49] <Ken8521> intrader: i don't know how much better it is than 10.04.. but it's light years better than 9.04
[21:49] <Ken8521> if anything, 8.10-9.04 were two of the slowest booting OS's i ever used
[21:49] <area51pilot> I thought the Brasero issue was just me ... running beta updated/upgraded
[21:50] <perlsyntax> Ken8521,How do you do that?Did it change ?
[21:50] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: do what?
[21:50] <perlsyntax> i thought it was the same like ubuntu 9.10
[21:50] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: oh i didn't think so at all.
[21:50] <perlsyntax> source repos
[21:50] <Ken8521> i could take a nap while 8.10 booted
[21:50] <Ken8521> oh... source repos.
[21:51] <Ken8521> go to.... hld on
[21:51] <perlsyntax> ok
[21:51] <Ken8521> ok perlsyntax i'm assuming your'e using gnome?
[21:51] <perlsyntax> yes
[21:51] <Ken8521> ok, you'd have better luck w/ a windows user asking me about KDE
[21:52] <Ken8521> right click applications menu, click edit menu.. go down, higlight administration... on the right.. put a check next to software sources
[21:52] <Ken8521> close menu editor.. sys/admin/software sources..
[21:52] <perlsyntax> i see
[21:52] <Ken8521> on the first tab,
[21:52] <Ken8521> make sure the "source code" box.. is filled in
[21:52] <Ken8521> then close, and reload
[21:52] <perlsyntax> that what my prob was.
[21:53] <perlsyntax> thank you
[21:53] <intrader> Ken8521, history of course, 10.04 was very slow on this machine.
[21:53] <Ken8521> i'm on a roll, thats like 2 problems i've solved today.. :), even the guy who thought i was trying to steal his IP address, I got his prob fixed..lol
[21:54] <perlsyntax> i try that out when 10.10 stable come out:)
[21:54] <Ken8521> intrader: for me, 10.04 was slower than 9.10.. but not near as slow as 8.10 or 9.04
[21:54] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: it's pretty stable now...
[21:54] <Ken8521> i wouldn't anticipate massive change in the next 10-12hrs
[21:54] <perlsyntax> ok
[21:54] <Ken8521> plus, you figure tomorrow, all the people upgrading, etc.. servers are gonna be slower than a fat kid in a marathon
[21:54] <perlsyntax> ken8521,I really like 10.10
[21:54] <Ken8521> so do i
[21:55] <intrader> Ken8521, for me the GUI on 9.04 was Ok, on 10.04 not so OK. But this is history. Now, about brasero on the newest and greatest ubuntu?
[21:55] <perlsyntax> the update install when your install it that cool.
[21:55] <Ken8521> intrader: i wish i had an answer... i'm gonna skype shuttleworth later and we're going to discuss this.
[21:55] <Ken8521> :)
[21:56] <Ken8521> realy.. i have no idea why they ditched gnomebaker for brasero.. dr willis earllier, suggested it was because one took 550k of space, and the other took 800k.
[21:56] <Ken8521> lol
[21:56] <perlsyntax> Ken8521,The only prob i have with it is the networkmanager.
[21:56] <perlsyntax> it will not pick up my wireless.
[21:56] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: whats your wireless device?
[21:57] <perlsyntax> TrueModile 1150
[21:57] <Ken8521> is that USB, or PCI, etc..?
[21:57] <perlsyntax> it work fine in 9.10
[21:58] <perlsyntax> pc card
[21:58] <SeRVeR01> hey guys can I connect headphone and my speaker at the same time ? i got Realtek audio device
[21:58] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: open a terminal and run lspci and see what the chipset on the wireless device is
[21:58] <perlsyntax> i will soon i get 9.10 back on.
[21:58] <perlsyntax> :)
[21:59] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: ok.. if it's internal PCI.. it should be Intel or Atheros, and one would think that would wrk out of the box.
[21:59] <Ken8521> SeRVeR01: i'm not really sure how that would work.. does that even work w/ Windows?
[21:59] <perlsyntax> it works with wicd
[21:59] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: well that doesn't make sense... wicd isn't really a driver or anything like that
[21:59] <Ken8521> so if it works w/ wicd, it should work w/ network manager
[22:00] <SeRVeR01> Ken8521: yup when i plug in any cable a msg pop out asking me what is it and I can connect 2 headphones
[22:00] <perlsyntax> that what i hope in the 10.10 it will work.
[22:00] <Ken8521> hmm
[22:00] <perlsyntax> i see if they fix it
[22:00] <perlsyntax> on sunday..
[22:00] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: hve you not booted the 10.10 cd yet?
[22:01] <Ken8521> oh for cryin out loud, download it... it's close enough
[22:01] <Ken8521> don't be a wuss
[22:01] <Ken8521> do it, do it, do it...
[22:01] <perlsyntax> i boot the ubuntu 10.10 and that when i found out my wireless card didn't work.
[22:01] <Ken8521> well, when was that?
[22:01] <perlsyntax> it get close being done:)
[22:01] <Ken8521> cuz if it was fairly recent, the odds of it all of a sudden working tomorrow, is pretty slim
[22:01] <perlsyntax> today
[22:02] <perlsyntax> it don't i use wicd.
[22:02] <Ken8521> perlsyntax: then the odds of it working tomorrow are approximately 1 in 4804 gazillion
[22:02] <perlsyntax> i see
[22:02] <Ken8521> give or take a few gaillion
[22:02] <Ken8521> *gazillion
[22:02] <Ken8521> so if you use wicd on Ubuntu 10.10, it works?
[22:03] <perlsyntax> i shocked they don't use perl 5.12.2 in ubuntu yet.
[22:03] <perlsyntax> look like i have to use wicd for my wireless.
[22:03] <perlsyntax> but eth0 work with network manager.
[22:04] <Ken8521> just don't understand why it would wrk w/ wicd, and not regular network manager... wicd isn't a driver
[22:04] <perlsyntax> i know that odd.
[22:07] <mohraibat> !isitout
[22:07] <Ken8521> lol
[22:08] <Ken8521> !botabuse
[22:08] <Ken8521> :)
[22:08] <IdleOne> !party > mohraibat
[22:09] <mohraibat> ok sry for the spam
[22:13] <Ken8521> !sorry | mohraibat
[22:13] <Ken8521> lol
[22:21] <iBeef> can somebody help me with lsh-server error when i type sudo apt-get install crossfire-client-gtk2 "i get this error on everything"
[22:32] <DrHalan> hey, are translations automatically updated form launchapd to the packages?
[22:32] <milaz> penguin42: thanks for help, I tracked an issue with GRUB. It seems like it's actual error in deviceiter.c
[22:32] <DrHalan> because i am using codeblocks and its fully translated in launchpad but my version here in maverick still isn't translated compeletely
[22:32] <milaz> I managed to make a patch, but what will be the best way/place to submit it?
[22:35] <DrHalan> milaz: i guess a bugreport is the normal way
[22:35] <intrader> Should I try for a bug report on brasero?
[22:35] <milaz> DrHarlan: will be there any issues with upstream, or I just can submit it for ubuntu?
[22:36] <phil42> !isitoutyet
[22:36] <milaz> Of course, I want it to be in Ubuntu ASAP :)
[22:36] <DrHalan> milaz: i think in gerneral its wiser to file the bug upstream except its a ubuntu-specific patch
[22:36] <Cojage> is it delayed?
[22:36] <DrHalan> like indicator-support
[22:37] <ikonia> no
[22:37] <milaz> Does anybody here use a wireless modem? Like 3G or 4G?
[22:37] <ovy> hellow everyody... it's 10.10.10 in romania
[22:37] <phil42> in binary that is 2.2.2
[22:37] <Ken8521> lol
[22:37] <Cojage> lol ovy
[22:38] <Cojage> its in 20 mins
[22:38] <ikonia> milaz: I sometimes use a three.co.uk 3g mobile dongle
[22:38] <ikonia> it's not
[22:38] <Cojage> so it will be posted in 20 minutes?
[22:38] <ikonia> there is no set release time
[22:38] <ikonia> no
[22:38] <Cojage> to the ftp server?
[22:38] <ikonia> it will be released at some point on 10.10.10
[22:38] <Cojage> ikonia, no set release time?
[22:38] <ikonia> no
[22:38] <Cojage> oh
[22:38] <Cojage> american time zones
[22:38] <ikonia> I thought it was GMT
[22:38] <ikonia> or UTC
[22:38] <milaz> ikonia: is it sometimes detected as CD?
[22:39] <ikonia> milaz: no, but it also shows up as a USB disk because of the small storaage on there for the software controller
[22:39] <phil42> use the 20101008.1/ daily
[22:39] <milaz> ikonia: for drivers, right?
[22:39] <ikonia> well, for linux it's not a problem as the kernel supports it fine, but there are some windows drivers on it
[22:39] <phil42> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20101008.1/
[22:39] <duffydack> phil42, I only see the 7th
[22:39] <duffydack> oh, xubuntyu.
[22:40] <phil42> i use xubuntu
[22:40] <ikonia> phil42: why are you telling people to use the daily when it will be released very shortly
[22:40] <phil42> because it isn't released yet
[22:40] <Ken8521> lol
[22:40] <Cojage> well
[22:40] <ikonia> phil42: right, so just hang on for the release
[22:40] <Cojage> are they busy working on it now?
[22:40] <step21> is it already possible to dist-upgrade? update manager said something weird, like an upgrade but that only could upgrade some things and then didn't work or so
[22:40] <Cojage> if its gold they can just upload it?
[22:41] <phil42> and run windows in the mean time???   ha!  tis to laugh
[22:41] <Ken8521> upgrading is gonna take forever tomorrow.
[22:41] <ikonia> it will be released when it's ready in terms of distribution
[22:41] <Ken8521> slow repositories, etc
[22:41] <mgunes> Cojage, read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588658
[22:41] <Cojage> yes ken
[22:41]  * step21 runs windows on another box anyway ...
[22:41] <Cojage> better to wait till monday
[22:42]  * phil42 steps away from step21
[22:42] <milaz> It would be cool if 10.10 was released 10.10.2010 at 10:10 GMT
[22:43] <Ken8521> Cojage: monday?... i bet the servers will be bogged down till at least wed or thursday
[22:43] <Cojage> wow
[22:43] <Cojage> then better to wait a week lol
[22:43] <danyR> lol, step[21] x 2 = phil[42]
[22:43] <Ken8521> Cojage: thats been my experience in the past anyway...
[22:43] <Cojage> ken, you can d/l 10.04 and run that for a week
[22:44] <Cojage> then upgrade to 10.10 next week, right
[22:44] <Ken8521> the torrents to download the iso, are usually cooking.. but actually accessing the repositories to install software, update, etc.. it's slow.
[22:44] <duffydack> I will get the latest iso in a few days, after all the impatients hog the bandwidth :)
[22:44] <Ken8521> Cojage: i guess you could, but i hate upgrading the OS... seems there's to much potential for breakage(even though my only experience upgrading, went well)...
[22:45] <ugliefrog> anyone having issues with banshee or rythmbox...i try and load them and then they immediatley shutsown
[22:45] <Ken8521> duffydack: the impatients have been downloading it the last few days..lol
[22:45] <Cojage> how is there potential for breakage?
[22:45] <Ken8521> Cojage: ?.. something goes wrong during upgrading?
[22:45] <Cojage> Well
[22:45] <phil42> install the daily now, update later
[22:45] <Cojage> could happen during a fresh install too though
[22:45] <ikonia> please stop advising that
[22:45] <ikonia> just wait for the release
[22:45] <Ken8521> there's been plenty of reports of problems between 10.04-10.10 during the testing
[22:45] <duffydack> the windows mindset does not allow us to install daily :)
[22:45] <Ken8521> Cojage: no, because the OS is on CD
[22:46] <Ken8521> not trying to download info from a server
[22:46] <Ken8521> yeah, it downloads some stuff, but most of the time, downloads(during a clean install) are not critical
[22:46] <Cojage> you cant upgrade from a cd?
[22:47] <Cojage> what if you just download the iso and then insert it?
[22:47] <duffydack> Cojage, using alternate install you can
[22:47] <Ken8521> Cojage: from an alt. cd, i'm pretty sure.. but i didn't suggest that was an issue... i was talking about upgrading the way 90% of users do
[22:47] <Cojage> yeah okay
[22:47] <Cojage> but if thats not working properly its a bug
[22:48] <Cojage> or they should remove that feature alltogether :)
[22:48] <Ken8521> Cojage: no, my point is... geez... when you're downloading/installing updates from a server, there's a variable in there you can'tcontrol, server outtages, etc..
[22:48] <Ken8521> and thus.. borqed system.
[22:48] <Cojage> oh
[22:48] <Cojage> right
[22:48] <Cojage> why cant they make it so that it first downloads all the files, and then starts the installer?
[22:48] <Ken8521> i didn't think i was in PC 101 here.. and needed to break it down like that
[22:49] <Cojage> less potential for breakage
[22:49] <Cojage> well ken i nevre did it thta way so
[22:49] <Ken8521> Cojage: i believe it's supposed to... but.. again there's been reports of problems upgrading here(but whether that was dumb users, etc.. ) who knows
[22:49] <Cojage> right
[22:50] <phil42> i represent that remark
[22:50] <hello> I have Ubuntu 10.10 running on my ASUS Eee PC 900-BK039X and Dual Monitors isnt working
[22:50] <Ken8521> phil42: lol
[22:50] <seidos> what's so great about 10.10?
[22:50] <Ken8521> hello: tell it to get up and get a job.
[22:50] <hello> Multitouch trackpad
[22:50] <Cojage> seidos
[22:50] <Ken8521> seidos: it's not 10.04?
[22:50] <Cojage> its not 10.04
[22:50] <Ken8521> lol
[22:50] <Cojage> lol
[22:50] <Cojage> still random freezes
[22:50] <seidos> oh tao
[22:51] <seidos> god
[22:51] <seidos> i'm still using 9.10
[22:51] <Cojage> so 10.10 has a newer kernel i assume?
[22:51] <Ken8521> Cojage: i've had zero probs w/ 10.10, on 3 machines.. including a netbook.
[22:51] <phil42> i have 10.10 running on a single monitor and it is doing great (with the nvidia factory driver)
[22:51] <Cojage> k
[22:51] <Ken8521> so.. hello what is your graphics device on your netbook?
[22:51] <ikonia> phil42: the ones shipped with ubuntu or updated ones from nvidia.com ?
[22:51] <phil42> (installed by the ubuntu installer)
[22:51] <Ken8521> i'm' guessing intel
[22:51] <phil42> 256.53
[22:51] <hello> HELP please
[22:51] <mark2010> evolution mail 2.30.3 with meerkat, can i send a file email via sendto automatically when evolution mail is not open?
[22:51] <seidos> !ask | hello
[22:51] <Ken8521> phil42: i've got dual screens running w/ nvidia also, works perfect
[22:52] <Ken8521> hello: i've asked you for info, stop whining and answer
[22:52] <hello> i gave in fo Ken8521
[22:52] <phil42> heloo asked his question
[22:52] <hello> he re is specs
[22:52] <phil42> hello>	I have Ubuntu 10.10 running on my ASUS Eee PC 900-BK039X and Dual Monitors isnt working
[22:52] <step21> ugliefrog, start from terminal and check the output
[22:53] <ugliefrog> step21, ok ill try that
[22:53] <Ken8521> hello: all i see is its an asus netbook and dual monitors isn't working, that doesn't tell me your graphics device, which is what i asked
[22:53] <phil42> if you knew much about eee you would know
[22:53] <Ken8521> phil42: i know what it likely is(intel).. but i want him to tell me
[22:54] <hello> Ken8521 am i allowed to post a link tyo the page i bought it from
[22:54] <Ken8521> you know what they say about assuming(fwiw, i have 2 netbooks)
[22:54] <Ken8521> hello: ...
[22:54] <hello> may i?
[22:54] <Ken8521> i'm just not in the mood to spell things out tonight.
[22:54] <Ken8521> i can only ask a question 8 different ways.
[22:55] <Supermini_man> I'm having a Ad-hoc problem. I want to share internet to a W7 pc but the W7 even that it connects it doesn't receive internet. Anyone knows how to work out this?
[22:55] <hello> i know its intel i can tell the model it doesnt say
[22:55] <Ken8521> hello: do you knw how to open a terimnal?
[22:55] <hello> yes i do
[22:56] <hello> let me start up the laptop
[22:56] <hello> i mean netbook
[22:56] <Ken8521> open a terminal, and type 'lspci'  no quotes, hit enter, and find your graphics device in the output.
[22:56] <hello> ok
[22:58] <hello> VGA is  Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML
[23:00] <espen77> the callendar just turned 10.10.10....now the long wait starts... :P
[23:00] <hello> Ken8521 : VGA is  Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML
[23:00] <Ken8521> hello: if i'm not mistaken... and i could be wrong.. id on't think dual screens is supported w/ Intel devices, but i could be wrong
[23:00] <Ken8521> never tried w/ Intel.. just know that Nvidia works rather swimmingly
[23:00] <hello> I ll look for drivers
[23:00] <Ken8521> hello, you now have device info... try googling and see what you come up w/
[23:00] <hello> ok thanks
[23:01] <Ken8521> hello: it's probably not a driver issue...(though it might be)
[23:02] <tenochslb> should i intall the rc now?
[23:02] <Ken8521> tenochslb: i don't see why not.. i've not had any updates all day, so i'm guessing what we have, is pretty close to final... but.. it's up to you.
[23:03] <Ken8521> tenochslb: are you clean installing or upgrading?
[23:03] <hello> the only fix you may need to work on or check is intel
[23:03] <tenochslb> upgrade
[23:04] <Ken8521> well... give it a whack, jsut take proper precautions, back up, etc
[23:04] <phil42> i am not going to suggest that you install the latest daily
[23:05] <phil42> even though  it is working great for me
[23:06] <ikonia> phil42: please stop
[23:06] <ikonia> this close to release, come on
[23:07] <hello> i know how many hours
[23:07] <phil42> i didn't suggest he install it
[23:07] <hello> what 12
[23:07] <ikonia> phil42: you are not suggesting it in a way of suggesting it
[23:07] <ikonia> and you know exactly what you're doing
[23:07] <Ken8521> so we shouldn't suggest installing it?
[23:07] <hello> 10.10 is still a little buggy
[23:07] <Ken8521> this is +1, you'd think if people came here, they'd know why they were here
[23:08] <ikonia> very shortly the final release will be released, do you think you should be pushing a not current daily build ?
[23:08] <phil42> i bet the release has the exact same kernel
[23:08] <ikonia> phil42: I'm sure it will
[23:08] <Ken8521> i dunno.. they hae their own head to make their own decision....
[23:08] <hello> where are the daily builds
[23:08] <Ken8521> if they ask should they install it, then they are asking opinion, likely of folks who've installed it
[23:08] <phil42> i better not tell you , ikonia might hurt me
[23:09] <Ken8521> i can understand not telling folks in #ubuntu to install it, but here.. thats why folks are here... to ask about maverick
[23:09] <espen77> ikonia?
[23:09] <ikonia> Ken8521: but the thing is getting released in hours
[23:09] <Ken8521> ikonia: i'm aware of that
[23:09] <hello> haw many hours
[23:09] <ikonia> why not just wait until the release rather than telling people to put another development build
[23:09] <Ken8521> hello: sometime tomorrow.
[23:09] <Kuba> I'm trying to debug my lower-pings-on-ac-power problem, pleeease help me out: this is from dmesg, may be relevant: http://pastebin.com/x7r8gXBu
[23:10] <ikonia> that is just common sense
[23:10] <ikonia> Kuba: that is just disk comments
[23:10] <Ken8521> ikonia: but someone who is having no issues w/ 10.10, could just as easily say "Why not beat the rush, and go ahead and upgrade today when the servers are still reasonably fast"
[23:10] <hello> also i have a problem where ubuntu thinks there is 1% batery when there really is 100%
[23:10] <phil42> Kuba, if your connection to  your modem is ethernet, try usb.  if it is usb try ethernet
[23:10] <ikonia> Kuba: you'll probably find your machine is just running on lower power, and scaling down
[23:11] <Kuba> phil42: -.-
[23:11] <ikonia> Ken8521: you're not beating the rush
[23:11] <ikonia> hello: your problems seem to be changing by the minute
[23:11] <Kuba> Nope I'm taliking about wifi
[23:11] <ikonia> Kuba: ok, so it's running on less power, so a weaker signal problem
[23:11] <hello> ikonia i have a few problems currently
[23:11] <Kuba> It is much worse if not connected to AC
[23:11] <ikonia> probably I mean
[23:12]  * phil42 doesn't trust wifi
[23:12] <ikonia> it's not really a good bench mark
[23:12] <phil42> wip wap wop what?
[23:12] <Ken8521> woops..lol
[23:13] <Kuba> ikonia: you mean "ping"? ;d
[23:13] <hello> how do i install a tar.bz2 file
[23:13] <ikonia> no
[23:13] <ikonia> hello: what do you want to install ?
[23:13] <hello> intel driver for ubuntu 10.10
[23:13] <devunt> what time is it?
[23:13] <ikonia> hello: you've already got them your running 10.10
[23:13] <ikonia> devunt: where ?
[23:14] <hello> ikonia i think the drivers arent working
[23:14] <hello> can some one use teamviewer w/ me
[23:15] <hello> nvm
[23:15] <Kuba> Can You point me to right direction with my weaker wifi signal when ac is unplugged? :(
[23:15] <devunt> Time to get out Maverick in UTC
[23:15] <ikonia> Kuba: think about it, AC power = machine powered well, battery = less power
[23:15] <ikonia> Kuba: your signal will drop a little when running on battery
[23:15] <ikonia> devunt: there is no set time
[23:15] <Kuba> ikonia: but it drops dramatically
[23:15] <devunt> aha,
[23:16] <ikonia> Kuba: what sort of difference in times ?
[23:16] <phil42> ikonia, you do know that the dialies after the rc are just the rc with fixes, right?
[23:16] <ikonia> phil42: yup
[23:16] <Kuba> ikonia: ~1ms and 80-1000ms
[23:16] <Kuba> l/
[23:16] <Ken8521> hello: what happens when you connect the second monitor?
[23:16] <ikonia> Kuba: it's never going to be 1ms
[23:17] <Kuba> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9012ms
[23:17] <Kuba> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.492/0.528/0.599/0.044 ms
[23:17] <hello> Ken8521 i get black ness showing 1 4th of the desktop
[23:17] <Kuba> funny... ikonia ^^
[23:17] <phoenix_> Kuba: check to if battery is low. if thats not the problem, then check the voltage regulator ic
[23:17] <hello> and the second monitor is black
[23:18] <ikonia> Kuba: and that's on a wirless connection
[23:18] <Kuba> yes
[23:18] <ikonia> and then it jumps to 1000ms
[23:18] <Ken8521> hello: i'm assuming it kicks out your laptop display.. does it move you rmenus, etc.. over to the display?
[23:18] <Kuba> ikonia: when AC is unplugged: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.736/125.540/637.715/173.111 ms
[23:18] <hello> Ken8521 no thats not it
[23:19] <Kuba> ikonia: with ping -c 10
[23:19] <Kuba> that is a huge difference
[23:19] <phoenix_> kuba try the hardware channel
[23:19] <ikonia> Kuba: agreed that's huge in terms of ratio, but thats still quick, especially on wirless
[23:20] <ikonia> Kuba: try it over a longer period, say -c 50 does it reduce then ?
[23:20] <Ken8521> wasn't there a 915 resolution package?
[23:20] <phoenix_> Kuba: when did you last change your battery
[23:20]  * phil42 wonders if Kuba's processor being slowed would cause his problem
[23:20] <ikonia> phil42: ahh yes, cpu scaling too
[23:20] <Kuba> well, in comparance to my 3 other machines it sucks ikonia
[23:20] <hello> Ken8521 the External monitor is black but i can only move the cursor  i little ,on the monitor on my netbook it only shows the top abr and nothing else i cant move my cursor over the black no bottombar
[23:20] <ikonia> disk slow down the whole thing will slow
[23:20] <hello> one sec
[23:20] <Kuba> phoenix_: i bought this computer yesterday
[23:20] <hello> back
[23:20] <phoenix_> Kuba: is it new or used
[23:21] <phil42> Kuba,  just to check,  set your scaling_governor to performance,  set it back after testing
[23:21] <Kuba> brand new, phoenix_
[23:21] <hello> im going to make a youtube video
[23:21] <hello> on the ishue
[23:21] <Ken8521> hello: try this... go to system/preferences/monitors.... open it up, but don't hit anything... then connect the second display, and after it's connected, click "Detect Montiors"
[23:22] <hello> ok
[23:22] <phil42>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[23:22] <Ken8521> youtube video....
[23:22] <Ken8521> lol
[23:23] <Ken8521> anyone know if WxZ got his ugprade mess fixed yesterday?
[23:23] <phoenix_> Kuba: may be the power cable acts as some signal booster. is your input ac voltage goes through a ups
[23:23] <Kuba> phil42: there is no change after the setting
[23:24] <hello> Ken8521 do i enable the monitor
[23:24] <Ken8521> enable the monitor?
[23:25] <Ken8521> what do you mean
[23:25] <hello> the monier is off
[23:25] <hello> it says on/off in the options
[23:25] <Ken8521> oh.. well, try w/ the monitor off first....
[23:25] <Ken8521> see if detect displays, picks up an off display
[23:25] <Ken8521> if it doesn't, then turn it on
[23:25] <hello> turn it on
[23:27] <Ken8521> yeah, turn it on, see if you can detect the other display
[23:27] <hello> Ken8521 the second display is detected and it is set to be used but it is black and all i can do is move the cursor on the side
[23:28] <penguin42> milaz: Ah glad you found it - what bug number?
[23:28] <Kuba> phoenix_: oh, gosh, 3 other machines work just fine, either with or without ac power cable
[23:28] <Ken8521> hello: ok, so in that utility you opened(sys/pref/monitors) it now sees the display?
[23:28] <hello> yes Ken8521
[23:28] <Ken8521> hello: does it see both of them, or did it change to only list one display?
[23:29] <phoenix_> Kuba: that means your input ac voltage is normal. are you using the same poer adaptor for those 3 machines?
[23:29] <hello> it is listing 2 displays Ken8521
[23:29] <Ken8521> ok.
[23:29] <Ken8521> and i'm assuming, it shows both displays working properly?
[23:29] <Kuba> phoenix_: no, 3 different machines ;d
[23:29] <phoenix_> Kuba: do you have a multimeter?
[23:30] <hello> Ken8521 yes it does but black on the external but i can only put curson on side of external not ant where else
[23:30] <Kuba> phoenix_: nope
[23:30] <phoenix_> Kuba: do you have another power adaptor
[23:31] <Kuba> only this one
[23:31] <Ken8521> hello: just curious.
[23:31] <Ken8521> your monitor.. does it have one of those "auto adjust" buttons?
[23:31] <phoenix_> Kuba: then how do you charge other machines
[23:31] <hello> yes it does its a Acer 20 inch montor
[23:31] <Ken8521> ok..(thats what i have also..)... hit auto adjust on the LCD, see if that changes anything
[23:32] <Ken8521> prolly won't, but just check
[23:32] <milaz> penguin42: Bug 657489
[23:32] <phoenix_> Kuba: you are refering to the wifi in your laptop right?
[23:32] <Kuba> phoenix_: I'm talking about 4 different notebooks
[23:32] <milaz> wow, awesome bots!
[23:32] <Kuba> phoenix_: and yeas, one of those has issueas with the wifi
[23:33] <Ken8521> hello: ?
[23:33] <phoenix_> Kuba: then most probably you have to check your power adaptor or battery
[23:33] <hello> Ken8521 the Normal Rotation isnt working
[23:33] <Ken8521> normal rotation?
[23:34] <penguin42> milaz: Oh wow, I wouldn't have thought there was a connection between a wireless modem and grub!
[23:34] <Ken8521> penguin42: little strange isn't it.
[23:34] <hello> Ken8521 i mean if i rotate it in the settings to right it works
[23:34] <phoenix_> Kuba: or see if your wifi is operating in a power saving mode.
[23:34] <Ken8521> must've been some sloppy coding on one of the two sides.
[23:34] <hello> but not right side up
[23:34] <Monotoko> is 10.10 complete? IE, can i download it early?
[23:34] <hello> ill just use my monitor upside down i guess
[23:34] <milaz> penguin42: absolutely! When I found this out I was surprised too :)
[23:34] <phoenix_> Kuba: check your bios to see if there is any setting for that
[23:35] <Ken8521> Monotoko: it's not "released" yet.. but... draw your own conclusions, its about 12hrs before release
[23:35] <Kuba> phoenix_: already cheked, and bios is a little bit poor
[23:35] <Ken8521> hello: lol
[23:35] <penguin42> milaz: What makes that storage device so special it manages to trigger that error?
[23:35] <Monotoko> Ken8521, fair enough...where can i get the most current version?
[23:35] <Ken8521> hello: i'm curious, is that progress from where you were before?
[23:36] <Ken8521> Monotoko: ubuntu.com
[23:36] <phil42> don't use the latest daily
[23:36] <Ken8521> lol
[23:36] <phil42> Monotoko
[23:36] <Ken8521> Monotoko: phil42 is butthurt
[23:36] <Ken8521> lol
[23:36] <milaz> penguin42: it is /sys/$devpath/driver/unbind that is issued by udev rules
[23:36] <phil42> run windows for the next 12 hours
[23:36] <phoenix_> Kuba: did you try it with any other os
[23:36] <Ken8521> hello: you don't have any options on the display, to "flip it"...
[23:37] <milaz> penguin42: as I understand, it turns storage device off
[23:37] <Ken8521> usually in the on screen controls
[23:37] <Monotoko> phil42, im running 10.04 ><
[23:37] <phil42> if you try to run the latest daily ikonic will kill you
[23:37] <Monotoko> Ken8521, so its the latest daily?
[23:37] <Kuba> phoenix_: yes, but i was having problems installing the driver
[23:37] <hello> Ken8521 In the Ubuntu Display it has options
[23:37] <milaz> penguin42: it gets removed from /dev but remains in /dev/disk/by-id
[23:37] <Monotoko> ignoring the troll here
[23:37] <penguin42> milaz: So I think you're saying that the device disappears while grub is scanning it?
[23:37] <Ken8521> hello: no no, not ubuntu display.
[23:38] <ikonia> phil42: don't be stupid, I didn't say that, I'm just asking people to use common sense
[23:38]  * phil42 runs and hides
[23:38] <Ken8521> the controls on your big display.. you said it's "upside down"... there's usually a button yo push, which brings up some on screen controls, is there one of those that will flipp it?
[23:38] <hello> Ken8521 i dont think it has a option like tht let me see
[23:38] <Ken8521> ok
[23:39] <milaz> penguin42: it really disappears, but (broken) link to it remains in the place where grub is looking.
[23:39] <hello> Ken8521 It only is working when set to left or right
[23:39] <Ken8521> when what is set to left or right?
[23:39]  * phil42 would call that a win
[23:40] <hello> Ken8521 it is sendind a signal fliping it in settings of ubuntu
[23:40] <penguin42> milaz: I know there is usb_modeswitch to cause the device to disappear, why it's triggering at exactly that point I don't know; but heck it's a nice find
[23:40] <Ken8521> hello: oh ok.. gotcha
[23:40] <geneiros> hi there everyone...
[23:41] <phil42> hi gene
[23:41] <Monotoko> Ken8521, i see...they were finished on thursday XD
[23:41] <penguin42> hello: Have you tried using xrandr from the command line with the --rotate or --reflect options?
[23:41] <Ken8521> hello: ok.. lets try one more thing.. if this doesn't work, it's gonna have to go to someone smarter than me
[23:41] <Ken8521> Monotoko: i had a few updates yesterday, none today
[23:41] <Ken8521> hello: u there?
[23:41] <milaz> penguin42: anyway, I believe they should made proper checks in grub to prevent this situation. So, I attached the patch to fix it.
[23:41] <milaz> penguin42: thanks :)
[23:41] <hello> Ken8521 yes i am here
[23:42] <Ken8521> hello: open up a terminal
[23:42] <Ken8521> and type sudo apt-get install arandr
[23:42] <hello> one sec
[23:42] <phil42> not xrandar?
[23:42] <Ken8521> no
[23:42] <Ken8521> arandr
[23:42] <phil42> hm
[23:43] <Ken8521> xrandr is command line... and i don't need that kinda headache right now..lol
[23:43] <penguin42> milaz: Really it could be triggered by lots of other things if unplugged at any incorrect point
[23:43] <Ken8521> arandr, is a GUI front for xrandr
[23:43] <geneiros> does anybody have a fix to plymouth in maverick for nvidia??
[23:43] <Ken8521> geneiros: whats wrong w/ it?
[23:44] <geneiros> whats wrong with it?
[23:44] <Ken8521> brb, my supper is probably ice cold
[23:44] <geneiros> doesnt show...
[23:44] <Ken8521> geneiros: yeah, it works fine for me
[23:44] <geneiros> since 10.04
[23:44] <hello> Ken8521 now what
[23:44] <geneiros> nor in a nvidia 7600 go
[23:44] <geneiros> nor in intel in Acer Aspire one A150
[23:45] <geneiros> when started from the live cd it runs well...
[23:45] <geneiros> but when i install it simply doesnt shows anything...
[23:45] <hello> Ken8521 You there?
[23:45] <phil42> read a few lines up, hello
[23:46] <Ken8521> hello: yeah, sorry, grabbed dinner
[23:46] <erkan^> when come ubuntu 10.10 offical version ?
[23:46] <Ken8521> hello: now, go to system/preferences/arandr
[23:46] <hello> ok
[23:46] <phil42> tomorrow/today
[23:46] <erkan^> how time phil42 ?
[23:46] <Ken8521> see if that gives you any luck configuring
[23:46] <phil42> 12 hours,  thereabouts
[23:47] <erkan^> ow ok
[23:47] <erkan^> I am very curious
[23:47] <danyR> 1
[23:47] <phil42> try the live cd of the latest daily, in the meantime,  but don't install it
[23:48] <erkan^> i have installed ubuntu 10.10 on another netbook
[23:48] <erkan^> ☺
[23:49] <hello> Ken8521 i quit this time to go to xp
[23:50] <phil42> no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[23:50] <erkan^> why no?
[23:50] <erkan^> it was try
[23:50] <Ken8521> ok... good luck, ill send you a rootkit.. :)
[23:50] <phil42> just juse your monitor sideways for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[23:50] <hello> rootkit???? Ken8521
[23:50] <meerdack> I fixed a netbook with xp today.. although "fix" is not the right work.. it still had xp on it
[23:50] <Ken8521> hello: it's a joke
[23:50] <erkan^> really/
[23:50] <phil42> my monitor even turns sideways
[23:50] <erkan^> ?
[23:51] <meerdack> word*
[23:51] <erkan^> :S
[23:51] <Ken8521> hello: i'm curious, is your system installed, or is it a "live" cd or thumb drive?
[23:51] <hello> my acer monitor costed 150$ and i can even use it :(
[23:51] <phil42> i was talking about hello going to xp
[23:51] <phil42> use it sideways!!!!
[23:51] <hello> Ken8521 it is installed on a minipcie ssd
[23:52] <Ken8521> ok
[23:52] <hello> phil42 and risk it falling and breaking
[23:52] <phil42> please don't go to xp,  i beg you  :|
[23:52] <Ken8521> hello: do you know a good woodworker?
[23:52] <hello> no
[23:52] <hello> bye*ughhhhhhhh*
[23:53] <Ken8521> i'm not really sure what your issue is.. ... what did you say your device was again?
[23:53] <phil42> we lost him
[23:53] <hello> one sec
[23:53] <phil42> he lives!
[23:53] <hello> Ken8521 ASUS Eee PC 900-BK039X
[23:53] <Ken8521> if it's the same as mine, i'll man up, and take my laptop to my PC, and unhook the monitor
[23:53] <Ken8521> hello: not your laptop model, the model of your graphics device
[23:54] <Ken8521> lspci in a terminal
[23:54] <hello> oh on
[23:54]  * penguin42 thinks about VESA mounts on monitors - will they turn upside down?
[23:54] <Ken8521> penguin42: lets be realistic though, that;s not a solution
[23:54] <Ken8521> lol
[23:55] <hello> Ken8521 I'm going to do a fresh install
[23:55] <Ken8521> hello: well can you at least tell me what the graphics device is?
[23:55] <penguin42> Ken8521: True, although I do wonder if that's the actual cause of the problem
[23:55] <hello> My netbook wont start ubuntu now
[23:55] <Ken8521> cuz if we have the same one, i'll work on it.
[23:55] <Ken8521> lmao
[23:55] <Ken8521> you gotta be kidding me
[23:55] <phil42> heloo,  i will personally come to St. Louis and hold your monitor sideways (if my mom will let me)
[23:55] <hello> i think it s a GMA915
[23:56] <hello> phil42 how did you know tht
[23:56] <phil42> phear my skiz
[23:56] <phil42> *skilz
[23:56] <hello> what did you whois
[23:56] <Ken8521> eh, i just scrolled up and found it... we have different devices
[23:56] <Ken8521> i have a GM965
[23:57] <hello> :(
[23:57] <hello> time for fresh install
[23:57] <Ken8521> i wonder if it's the same though?(i've actually never hooked a display up to this machine)
[23:57] <penguin42> hello: What actually happens if you ask for it to be upside down - does it go black or just ignore it?
[23:58] <hello> penguin42 Normal Mode and Upside down is black
[23:58] <penguin42> hello: Ah hang on....
[23:58] <penguin42> hello: Do you have your main LCD on as well ? And is there an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log about can't allocate framebuffer?
[23:59] <hello> penguin42 the main lcd sometimes works sometimes its part way black
[23:59] <penguin42> hello: I think you have bug 619663