[00:20] <AlanBell> comments are invited on http://libertus.co.uk/8080 and the test pages linked from there
[00:21] <AlanBell> oops
[00:21] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/
[00:21] <AlanBell> try that one
[00:22] <akgraner> crap I have to fix the UWN template  - it still has contents twice - UGH!
[00:23] <akgraner> hey AlanBell so the line under "In this Issue" needs to be under each section
[00:23] <akgraner> is that just some markup that needs to be added?
[00:24] <AlanBell> that is an <HR> tag caused by ------
[00:24] <akgraner> ok that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure
[00:24] <akgraner> I left it on there when I was playing with it
[00:24] <AlanBell> the number of -- used between 4 and 10 indicates the fatness of the line
[00:25] <akgraner> I like how the links show up
[00:25] <akgraner> pretty :-)
[00:25] <akgraner> but how will it look on the new theme?
[00:25] <AlanBell> um, are you not seeing the new theme there?
[00:26] <akgraner> nope
[00:26] <AlanBell> oooh because I am logged in, one sec I will change the default!
[00:27] <AlanBell> you must think I am mad!
[00:27] <akgraner> nope
[00:29] <AlanBell> akgraner: now try :)
[00:30] <akgraner> open week has a huge white space at the top
[00:30] <akgraner> and it looks like there is supposed to be an image but I get just the square
[00:31] <akgraner> hmm why is it numbering the Calendar events
[00:32] <akgraner> 1. Start
[00:32] <akgraner> 2. End
[00:32] <akgraner> 3. Location
[00:32] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot-UbuntuOpenWeek.png
[00:32] <AlanBell> looks like that for me
[00:33] <AlanBell> yes, I know it is doing numbers where it should to bullets
[00:34] <akgraner> http://people.ubuntu.com/~akgraner/Screenshot-UbuntuOpenWeek%20-%20Ubuntu%20Wiki%20-%20Chromium.png
[00:34] <akgraner> that's how it looks for me
[00:34] <akgraner> and UWN isn't showing the UWN Logo for me :-/
[00:35] <akgraner> weird
[00:35] <akgraner> but I like how it looks
[00:35] <akgraner> but do you think the print is too small
[00:36] <akgraner> I think it might hurt some people's eyes
[00:37] <AlanBell> ah the big gap and broken image is in chromium but not firefox
[00:37] <AlanBell> yes, I think the fonts are too small as well
[00:38] <akgraner> hmmm ok
[00:39] <akgraner> so will I need to use Firefox for Ubuntu Wiki pages :-/
[00:42] <AlanBell> no, I will need to fix it :)
[00:44] <akgraner> ahh ok
[00:46] <paultag> heyya akgraner
[00:46] <paultag> akgraner, how's life?
[00:48] <akgraner> paultag, good - hopefully the new Fridge site launches this weekend
[00:49] <akgraner> IS/IT has to do the re-direct :-)
[00:49] <paultag> :)
[00:49] <akgraner> and there will still be some tweaks but it's exciting
[00:50] <pleia2> it's quite an accomplishment, there must have been 2 or 3 attempts at doing this over the years
[00:50] <pleia2> so congrats akgraner :)
[00:50] <akgraner> pleia2, you and joey just wound me up and pointed me in the right direction :-)
[00:51]  * akgraner blushes  - thanks pleia2 
[00:51]  * pleia2 hugs akgraner 
[00:51] <Pendulum> akgraner: so that's all we have to do to get you working on something? figure out where to wind you up and then let you go?
[00:52] <akgraner> Pendulum, so I've been told  - but I thought this was pretty important - I love the news stuff...
[00:53] <Pendulum> :)
[00:54] <akgraner> pleia2, and joey had to answer *tons* of questions
[00:54] <akgraner> and poor jono got his head taken off a few times over this new site - (sorry about that jono)
[03:09] <jcastro> AlanBell: that wiki looks great
[03:12] <jcastro> I saw the facebook movie
[03:12] <jcastro> it was pretty good
[03:17] <nhandler> jcastro: I saw some show making fun of it and showing a small trailer that demonstrated how you could turn any random topic into an attractive looking drama
[03:18] <jcastro> yea
[03:18] <jcastro> there was lots of linux in it
[03:18] <jcastro> there was a KDE screen in like, tons of parts
[03:21] <nhandler> jcastro: Any Ubuntu?
[03:21] <jcastro> well, the terminal in one scene was in /etc/apache2
[03:22] <jcastro> so either ubuntu or debian
[03:22] <jcastro> but the scenes with them hacking are all set in periods earlier than ubuntu's existance
[03:22] <doctormo> huh facebook movie?
[03:22] <jcastro> though they got the KDE themes and stuff exactly right
[03:23] <jcastro> and he used wget!
[03:25] <nhandler> I'm surprised these linux clips haven't started hitting the various tech sites
[03:25] <jcastro> i saw one on planet kde
[03:27] <doctormo> time for bed! night.
[08:39] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[08:41] <nigelb> o/
[08:42] <duanedesign> hello mr nigel
[08:42] <nigelb> morning duane.  /very/ early morning
[08:43] <duanedesign> yeah. my hours are all messed up. :P
[08:43] <nigelb> you need a new clock
[08:44] <duanedesign> :D
[08:45] <nigelb> or you need to move east
[08:45] <duanedesign> it actually kinda works well for getting things done (community wise)
[08:46] <duanedesign> get to catch all the people who live east early in their day before they get busy :)
[08:46] <nigelb> Right.  1 pm is early for India :p
[08:46] <duanedesign> :P
[08:47] <duanedesign> we are getting a lot of new people from india in BT.
[08:48] <duanedesign> and bhavi has been hanging out more. Getting him to help me get back on the MOTU track
[08:49] <nigelb> oh, nice
[08:57] <AlanBell> nigelb: http://libertus.co.uk:8080/ and anyone else who wants to see it really
[08:57] <nigelb> nice ;)
[08:57] <nigelb> \o/
[09:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: things are going to be frantic next week
[09:36] <nigelb> A lot of pages will need rework :/
[09:37] <duanedesign> nigelb: for sure
[09:38] <nigelb> the bug squad pages look ugly on light
[09:38] <duanedesign> nigelb: is there any plans for organizing the effort?
[09:38] <nigelb> duanedesign: I haven't heard of one.
[09:38] <duanedesign> maybe  a list of whats done and what needs to be done?
[09:38] <nigelb> I'll just have to kick it off for pages I'm respobiel
[09:39] <nigelb> wow I spell *bad*
[09:39] <nigelb> that was supposed to be responsible
[09:39] <duanedesign> yeah thats probably the best bet
[09:39] <duanedesign> then once everyone gets the pages they are responsible for, we can start looking for orphans
[09:40] <nigelb> I think top would be wiki pages for teams
[09:40] <nigelb> Speciall points for fixing headers
[09:45] <AlanBell> in theory if the design isn't too broken there shouldn't need to be any rework
[09:45] <AlanBell> where are the bugsquad pages?
[09:46] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[09:46] <nigelb> They brown-ish backgrouond really gets screwed up and the headers
[09:47] <duanedesign> looks like someone already worked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[09:48] <AlanBell> ok, got it
[09:48] <AlanBell> some screwed up stuff there certainly
[09:48] <AlanBell> but it is the theme that needs fixing, not the markup
[09:48] <nigelb> oh?
[09:48] <AlanBell> with the possible exception of the brown
[09:49] <nigelb> the markup for brown is hard-coded
[09:49] <nigelb> what we would need is a style to just apply and get orange colored boxses
[09:49] <nigelb> *boxes
[09:49] <AlanBell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BugSquad
[09:50] <AlanBell> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BugSquad
[09:50] <nigelb> See? Hard-coded
[09:50] <AlanBell> yes, the brown might be nice to change
[09:50] <nigelb> I think what we need is one class for boxes
[09:50] <nigelb> that should change by theme
[09:50] <AlanBell> however the layout should not be screwed up
[09:50] <nigelb> and should be available on all themes
[09:51] <nigelb> the layout is screwed up light thanks to the space on the left
[09:51] <nigelb> elky has been saying that from the first time she looked at it
[09:51] <doctormo> Morning nigelb
[09:51] <nigelb> morning doctormo :)
[09:51] <nigelb> we're trying out light theme for wiki and enjoying how things look screwed up
[09:52] <duanedesign> morning doctormo
[09:52] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah, well I nuked bug 654631
[09:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654631 in ubuntu-website "wide unused space on left of content (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654631
[09:53] <doctormo> Can I see?
[09:53] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[09:53] <doctormo> As a high critic of the wiki in general ;-)
[09:53] <nigelb> doctormo: go to wiki,ubuntu.com and click on your name and change theme to light
[09:53] <AlanBell> doctormo: http://libertus.co.uk:8080/
[09:53] <nigelb> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[09:53] <nigelb> AlanBell: \o/
[09:54] <nigelb> doctormo: chanage the theme to light there
[09:54] <nigelb> "and your eyes shall be opened"
[09:54] <nigelb> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[09:54] <nigelb> let me send a mail to the bug squad list
[09:54] <AlanBell> the libertus one is running on my laptop and fixes a bunch of bugs (and introduces some entertaining new ones)
[09:55] <nigelb> heh
[09:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: set to go live on 13th right?
[09:55] <nigelb> the light theme...
[09:56] <AlanBell> yes
[09:56] <AlanBell> I asked for it to be delayed until the end of open week, or alternatively to go live on 10/10/10
[09:56] <nigelb> I'll give everyone a heads up
[09:56] <AlanBell> but I think 13/10/10 is going to be when it happens
[09:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: wasn't there an announcement mail or soomething?
[09:57] <nigelb> ubuntu-website list?
[09:57] <AlanBell> nope, you have to be psychic, or browse your user preferences randomly and look out for new themes
[09:57] <duanedesign> haha
[09:57] <nigelb> AlanBell: hrm, I specifically remember you linking me to something on a mailing list :/
[09:58] <AlanBell> the announcement of it going live was planned to consist of it, um, going live.
[09:58] <duanedesign> nigelb: the bug squad wiki looks ok?
[09:58] <nigelb> duanedesign: the brown is ew.  Needs to be orange
[09:58] <AlanBell> nigelb: actually there may have been a little discussion on a list
[09:58] <nigelb> but can't be hard-coded
[09:58] <nigelb> AlanBell: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-October/001065.html
[09:58] <nigelb> And it was a reply to you :p
[09:58] <doctormo> I would change it to this: http://imagebin.ca/view/Vm4uGeQ.html
[09:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: what brown?
[09:59] <nigelb> duanedesign: brown boses.  light
[09:59] <nigelb> arg
[09:59] <nigelb> brown boxes.
[10:01] <AlanBell> lp:~alanbell/ubuntu-website/light-moin-theme if anyone wants to play
[10:01] <duanedesign> nigelb: hmm. I am not seeing them. The header looks ok. Yikes. Something wrong with this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/
[10:01] <AlanBell> nigelb: ah yes, I don't think there was any discussion before I prompted it though
[10:02] <nigelb> AlanBell: true.  That is communication fail.
[10:02] <nigelb> I wish there was a channel where these people hung out
[10:02] <AlanBell> there is, #ubuntu-website
[10:02] <nigelb> right
[10:03] <AlanBell> duanedesign: feel free to copy any page and paste the contents in http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage etc
[10:03] <AlanBell> you might need to create headers separately
[10:03] <AlanBell> then add a link to it on http://libertus.co.uk:8080/ and I will make sure it isn't broken
[10:04] <AlanBell> generally don't fix the markup to work around the theme (apart from the brown)
[10:04] <AlanBell> the theme needs to work with the markup (because the markup needs to be viewed in multiple themes)
[10:05] <AlanBell> sometimes things that are too wide get pushed down 1280 pixels from the top, so if you are looking at a blank page scroll down. I am on to this one.
[10:05] <doctormo> AlanBell: I am playing, but looking for feedback
[10:11] <AlanBell> feedback in #ubuntu-website would be great
[10:11] <nigelb> who uses irssi here?
[10:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: me
[10:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: how do I change the height for channel list?
[10:12] <duanedesign> is the fix for the headers to change the brown to #F1F1DD
[10:13] <nigelb> duanedesign: I thought of that, but text color would need changing too.
[10:15] <duanedesign> nigelb: do you use adv_windowlist.pl
[10:16] <nigelb> duanedesign: yep
[10:16] <duanedesign> nigelb: ok
[10:17] <duanedesign> nigelb: i have been wanting to figure this out for awhile
[10:17] <duanedesign> i will start looking. If you figure it out befor me let me know :)
[10:17] <nigelb> heh, ok
[10:18] <duanedesign> i get /msg from people and do not know because it runs off bottom :\
[10:18] <nigelb> duanedesign: similar
[10:18] <nigelb>  /set awl_block -15
[10:18] <nigelb> that helps
[10:23] <duanedesign> ahh
[10:23] <duanedesign> darn perl. Looks like cartoon characters cursing
[10:24] <nigelb> haha.
[10:24] <duanedesign> ;#$@%!
[10:24] <duanedesign> :P
[10:24] <nigelb> That's how Larry Wall cures
[10:24] <nigelb> *curses
[10:24] <nigelb> He's a liguistic ya know ;p
[10:27] <AlanBell> duanedesign: http://localhost:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage (yes, I didn't bring over all the <img> attachments, but the table fits)
[10:28] <duanedesign> nigelb: lol
[10:29] <popey> localhost you say? :)
[10:29] <duanedesign> AlanBell: aha
[10:29] <popey> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:29] <duanedesign> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:29] <duanedesign> d'oh, too slow
[10:31] <AlanBell> lol
[10:31] <AlanBell> yeah, localhost, pop round any time :)
[10:33] <duanedesign> hey, looks like Couch replication is coming backk online \o/
[10:35] <nigelb> the sync your logs via ubuntu one for no reason at all thing? :p
[10:39] <duanedesign> and contacts ;)
[10:40] <duanedesign> i am anxious to test ONeConf and get back to working on Stipple
[10:59] <duanedesign> have a good day friends
[12:36] <akgraner> ok prime example of why the social media sites recover email address - should be set to the mailing list teams owners/admins - the news team hasn't found the person who set up the ubuntunews feed for the Fridge
[12:37] <nigelb> akgraner: but would that not cause a log to be created of that mail?
[12:37] <akgraner> who cares - you can always change it
[12:37] <akgraner> if you lost it and can't get it
[12:38] <akgraner> once you get it - you go in and change it
[12:38] <nigelb> true :)
[12:39] <akgraner> you send and mail and IM the other owners as a watch your email kinda of thing
[12:39] <akgraner> then the minute the email comes in you login and change it
[12:39] <nigelb> that does make sense
[12:40] <akgraner> or  - we have an ubuntu-social-media-recovery email address
[12:41] <akgraner> that all teams can use that isn't logged and the CC or LoCo Council are the admins
[12:41] <akgraner> and they can recover anyones information
[12:42] <nigelb> That is a good idea
[12:43] <nigelb> lesser 'hit by bus' factr
[12:43] <akgraner> yep
[12:44] <akgraner> so any brilliant ideas on how to find out the ubuntunews twitter feed information - we've emailed everyone - we've tried the forgot my pw and told everyone to check their emails - and we emailed list owners and past News Team  editors
[12:46] <nigelb> oh, great :/
[12:46] <akgraner> I know right
[12:46] <akgraner> have we missed anything we should try?
[12:47] <nigelb> Direct Message on twitter?
[12:47] <jussi> akgraner: and youve done the twitter equivalent of a private message?
[12:47] <jussi> lol
[12:47] <nigelb> jussi: beat you to it :p
[12:49] <akgraner> jussi, nope - let me try that now :-)  thanks
[12:55] <popey> http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu.ogv is starting to look more fun
[12:56] <popey> might have to play with this after release and add some music, change the frame rate etc
[12:58] <czajkowski> morning
[12:58] <akgraner> darn it  you can only pm someone who is following you
[12:58] <nigelb> popey: nice
[12:59] <nigelb> akgraner: oh, ugh.
[12:59] <nigelb> that account isn't folowing /anyone/
[13:00] <popey> i did mention this :)
[13:00] <popey> see, ignoring popey :)
[13:00] <akgraner> thanks popey!
[13:00] <popey> worth blogging?
[13:00] <popey> so it hits planet ubuntu?
[13:01] <nigelb> maybe
[13:01] <czajkowski> wise popey
[13:01] <akgraner> at this point  - yes - I'm working on the site is moving post to the old fridge right now  - popey can you blog the twitter one
[13:03] <popey> ok
[13:05] <popey> have tweeted @twfeed too as they run twitterfeed which actually gates the posts from fridge to twitter
[13:06] <akgraner> popey, thanks
[13:06] <akgraner> popey, I just popped into the uk channel to ask about someone taking pics at the London release party - can you nudge anyone you know who is going for me please
[13:07] <popey> will do
[13:07] <akgraner> thank you!  You know photo skills of your team better than I :-)
[13:08] <popey> have asked the the mailing list
[13:12] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2010/10/09/who-setup-ubuntunews/
[13:19] <popey> akgraner: http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-uk-current.png  gotcha!
[13:20] <akgraner> wow
[13:20] <nigelb> heh
[13:25] <duanedesign> popey: what program are you using to reassemble the images captured by PieSpy?
[13:34] <popey> duanedesign: mencoder / ffmpeg
[13:34] <jussi> Just a reminder, #ubuntu-release-party is open! Welcome!
[13:35] <duanedesign> popey: thank you
[13:35] <popey> heh
[13:39] <popey> np duanedesign
[13:59] <nigelb> jussi: you mean its not crazy enough for ya? :P
[13:59] <jussi> nigelb: its getting there, but it wouldnt be a real party if it wasnt crazy
[13:59] <nigelb> true that
[14:00] <nigelb> paultag: when you got time we gotta talk about something :)
[16:27] <paultag> nigelb, yo
[16:27] <paultag> nigelb, you pung?
[16:28] <czajkowski> paultag: aloha
[16:28] <paultag> heyya czajkowski
[16:30] <nigelb> paultag: aha, yes
[16:30] <highvoltage> hello you
[16:38] <czajkowski> akgraner: want pics from all release parties ???
[16:51] <jcastro> morning!
[16:55] <nigelb> good morning jcastro :)
[16:55] <doctormo> czajkowski: you can do that?
[16:55] <nigelb> doctormo: czajkowski says "let it be done" and its done :D
[16:55]  * nigelb hides
[16:55] <jcastro> man, my blog conversation is hitting epic proportions!
[16:56] <nigelb> jcastro: don't feed the troll.  I like laura's logic.  If its not constructive delete it.
[16:56] <nigelb> omg 30 comments
[16:57] <nigelb> thats like more text than in one blog post of yours :/
[16:57] <jcastro> yeah
[16:57] <jcastro> I am still waiting for proof or evidence
[16:57] <jcastro> and what steps he took to contact the CoC
[16:57] <jcastro> at which point I will add up all the words he wrote up on my blog
[16:57] <jcastro> and measure how much time he wasted
[16:57] <nigelb> lol
[16:58] <maco> aoithoir?
[16:58] <nigelb> jcastro: I like persia's suggestion
[17:00] <jcastro> yeah I clicked "like"
[17:00] <Pendulum> I think it's interesting that the first "ism" he mentioned was ablism
[17:00] <Pendulum> considering most people I know even wouldn't even know the term
[17:00] <czajkowski> eh what post?
[17:00] <jcastro> I had to look it up
[17:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: meh I just tolerate crap on my rant page, that's what my blog is my area to air my thoughts on
[17:01] <Pendulum> tbh, I have in most channels hit a lot of resistance if I mention that "retarded" is offensive (and I don't even try on crazy)
[17:01] <jcastro> it's amazing to me because I don't even know what alot of people in ubuntu /look like/ let alone what their beliefs or whatever are
[17:01] <Pendulum> the only channel where I've had back-up on calling out someone for using "retarded" is #ubuntu-women
[17:02] <Pendulum> (and I do find it a deeply offensive term)
[17:02] <jcastro> I usually do a good job with my swearing/etc on IRC
[17:02] <jcastro> it's IRL where I get in trouble
[17:02]  * jcastro says retarded all the time in real life
[17:02] <maco> jcastro: on umm.... mormon-who-did-ramadan-guy's blog one time i said the "family friendly" thing in comments and aiorthor was like "HA! and see thats code for no queers allowed!" im like "uh? how so? queer people have families too. it just means understand that theres TMI about sex lives regardless of the gender of the person you're doing it with"
[17:03] <jcastro> yeah
[17:03] <jcastro> like really, I don't really care what your lifestyle is
[17:04] <jcastro> tbh it's not the whole arguing in my blog that makes me throw my hands up
[17:04] <jcastro> it's the mentioning of RMS. :)
[17:04] <maco> Pendulum: yeah i noticed the ableism mention too. i dont hear that word outside GF circles
[17:04] <nigelb> haha
[17:04] <Pendulum> haha
[17:04] <jcastro> the only -ism I approve of is my own alcoholism
[17:05] <nigelb> jcastro: geekism? :p
[17:06] <maco> Pendulum: which brings me to... do you consider it ick that the word "sane" is used in tech to refer to a system that will work? like "build environment is sane" or "filesystem is sane"?
[17:06] <jcastro> 2720 users, 3746 answers ....
[17:06] <jcastro> we are close maco!
[17:07] <Pendulum> maco: the crazy/sane/insane stuff (in general) is something that bothers me, but it's not language I've managed to get perfect yet so I don't feel comfortable calling people out on it
[17:07] <maco> oh god greg please dont send that troll to use the GF wiki....
[17:07] <nigelb> jcastro: heh, speaking of which
[17:08] <nigelb> I visited the progamming SE today
[17:08] <nigelb> oddly it had less programming questions
[17:08] <maco> nigelb: you mean SO?
[17:08] <Pendulum> Generally I don't think ablism is a huge issue for Ubuntu, other than where it's part of a larger societal institutionalized mindset or where it's a matter of "only itches get scratched" (which I assume is part of why we don't really have any developers working on accessibility at the moment since Luke doesn't have the time
[17:08] <Pendulum> _
[17:08] <nigelb> maco: no, http://programmers.stackexchange.com
[17:09] <nigelb> the questions were surprising http://programmers.stackexchange.com/?tab=hot
[17:10] <maco> jcastro: by the way, i think you use the word "lame", right? i recommend NOT using it when telling aiorthor how he's acting.
[17:10] <Pendulum> or "crazy"
[17:10] <maco> or dumb
[17:10]  * maco looks at nigelb
[17:10] <Pendulum> or idiotic
[17:11] <nigelb> guilt has charged.
[17:11] <nigelb> guilty
[17:11] <Pendulum> someone ought to point him towards Ubuntu for All
[17:11] <nigelb> maco: I've /really/ tried not do use it after that incident.
[17:12] <maco> nigelb: yay :)
[17:12] <jcastro> maco: I won't call out his person on the blog, since he's writing in a tone specifically to point back at me to prove his point
[17:12] <maco> Pendulum: where's that list of ableist insults?
[17:13] <maco> FWD maybe?
[17:14] <jcastro> maco: but if that guy gets offended by lame then the rest of my vocabulary will probably put him in shock. :p
[17:14] <jcastro> but I am trying lately
[17:14] <maco> jcastro: lame means crippled...
[17:14]  * nigelb hugs jcastro 
[17:14] <jcastro> akgraner taught me "bless your heart."
[17:15] <maco> which... hmm Pendulum is crippled an ok word?
[17:15] <maco> or context dependent? "crippled by $event"?
[17:15] <czajkowski> maco: lame means what now ?
[17:15] <maco> czajkowski: legs dont work
[17:16] <Pendulum> maco: context dependent
[17:16] <Pendulum> (at least IMO)
[17:16] <czajkowski> a dog or a horse is lame but I've never heard a human being referred to as that ever
[17:16] <czajkowski> lame means something else entirely
[17:16] <Pendulum> czajkowski: it's mostly outdated in terms of humans, but it's still used
[17:16] <czajkowski> like a lame joke
[17:16] <jcastro> Pendulum: woo, thanks for a real constructive comment!
[17:17] <nigelb> I have heard lame used for humans in the crippled sense :/
[17:17] <Pendulum> czajkowski: that comes from lame being used for humans
[17:17] <Pendulum> maco: it might be on FWD. I've seen a bunch
[17:18] <maco> FWD has ableist word profiles, but i thought they had a post that was a list of ableist insults and suggestions of things to say instead
[17:18] <Pendulum> maco: cripple is interesting, too, because it's something being reclaimed. So like I wouldn't want someone else to use it about me, but I use it all the time
[17:18] <nigelb> *cough* whats FWD?
[17:18] <maco> nigelb: Feminists With Disabilities
[17:19] <Pendulum> nigelb: website Feminists with Disabilities http://disabledfeminists.com/
[17:19] <nigelb> Took me a whiile to parse GF which I've heard of.  Never heard of this one though.
[17:19] <Pendulum> I think I've had lame used about me before. it did used to be a valid medical term (which most of these things were at one point)
[17:21] <nigelb> ok, early bed time for me today
[17:21] <nigelb> later all :)
[17:21] <Pendulum> AlanBell: does Ubuntu for All have an IRC channel yet?
[17:25] <Pendulum> although my favourite ablist language is when people tell me I'm wheelchair bound
[17:25] <Pendulum> because I then tell them with the most innocent look on my face "no I'm not, I haven't found a partner willing to tie me to it yet" (and then switch to a sad face)
[17:26] <maco> hahaha
[17:28] <jcastro> that's awesome
[17:30] <maco> Pendulum: im reading the FWD post on that one, and remembering the time kjcole (dc loco) was looking out the window for his wife saying he was watching for someone short and moving much faster than a child would... because wheels go FAST
[17:30] <Pendulum> heh
[17:30] <Pendulum> I don't go so fast anymore
[17:30] <Pendulum> although that reminds me that I need to sort out renting a powerchair for UDS
[17:30] <maco> it was on a hill. i dont think she has an option
[17:30] <Pendulum> haha
[17:30] <Pendulum> I let go on hills :-)
[17:32] <Pendulum> at UDS-M there was a ramp down to the hotel restaurant and it was always useful if they funnelled everyone else through the entrance with stairs because then I could just let go and see how far I could get without pushing ;-)
[17:34] <jussi> Pendulum: wow, wheelchairs arent that cheap! http://www.caremedicalequipment.com/electric-wheelchairs.htm
[17:35] <jussi> thats almost like rent a car
[17:36] <Pendulum> jussi: yeah, I'm looking at renting from http://www.applescooter.com/
[17:36] <Pendulum> which is a lot cheaper
[17:37] <Pendulum> none of it is as good as my powerchair here, but I have no way of getting it to/from the airport here :(
[17:37] <jussi> ahh a scooter
[17:37] <jussi> not that much cheaper..
[17:37] <Pendulum> no, not a scooter
[17:37] <Pendulum> they also have powerchairs
[17:37] <Pendulum> http://www.applescooter.com/Orlando.asp?User=&Reservation=&AC=Checked&DD=&PUD=&DH=4&DM=00&DAMPM=PM&PUH=12&PUM=00&PAMPM=PM&HN=1&CR=Concierge&Attract=1&OL=&NS=&Model=&Device=Wheelchair&First_Name=&Last_Name=&Address1=&Address2=&City=&State=&Zip_Code=&Email_Address=&Mobile_Phone_Number=&Credit_Card_Number=&CC_Exp_Date=&Post=&Visit1=10/01/20105AS%20014591260312:00:13%20AM&Error=Wheelchair
[17:37] <Pendulum> I can't use a scooter because my thumbs dislocate
[17:38] <jussi> lol, I get an error down the bottom: Error ! The current browser is either too old or too modern (usind DOM document structure).
[17:38] <jussi> Pendulum: ah a trifle cheaper, the other one was 45 a day. still
[17:38] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:39] <Pendulum> just not possible to rent a chair like mine (which is all fancy and customized and stuff and had I bought it new out of pocket would have been about $15k)
[17:40] <maco> O_O
[17:41] <jussi> this place has 150 a week: http://www.questmobilitysolutions.com/medical-equipment-rentals.asp
[17:42] <Pendulum> maco: http://www.pridemobility.com/quantum/powerbases/q6series/q600.asp with power tilt & power recline
[17:43] <jussi> Pendulum: and its not possible to take with?
[17:44] <maco> jussi: where will it fit on the plane?
[17:44] <maco> super-duper-over-sized-baggage?
[17:44] <jussi> in the large luggage section?
[17:44] <Pendulum> it fits under the plane, but I have no way of getting it from my house to the airport :(
[17:44] <jussi> maco: planes are pretty big...
[17:44] <Pendulum> and no accessible taxies in my area
[17:44] <Pendulum> *taxis
[17:45] <jussi> Pendulum: no accessible taxis? O.o
[17:45] <maco> jussi: and oversized baggage is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[17:45] <jussi> Pendulum: how far is it?
[17:45] <maco> jussi: she lives middle of nowhere
[17:45] <Pendulum> maco: free for wheelchairs/disability/medical eqiupment :-)
[17:45] <maco> Pendulum: oh!
[17:45] <Pendulum> jussi: it's like 5-10 miles from the airport
[17:46] <maco> Pendulum: im guessing no accessible taxis = in the entire town?
[17:46] <jussi> Pendulum: and your chair doesnt have that range?
[17:46] <maco> haha you want her to wheel to the airport?
[17:46] <Pendulum> maco: air carrier access act. it's illegal for them to charge extra for medical equipment (and you can bring an extra carry-on of just medical equipment
[17:46] <Pendulum> jussi: no pavements by the roads and busy unsafe roads to walk along the side of
[17:47] <jussi> my wife used to work for a girl with a chair with a 40km range, she would do that amount no probs
[17:47] <maco> and where would you put your suitcase?
[17:47] <Pendulum> the chair shouldn't have problems with the range, it's the safety bit
[17:47] <jussi> Pendulum: that sucks - I keep forgetting how bad some have it
[17:47] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:47] <maco> need to move you to a real city
[17:47] <Pendulum> while I'm living here I'm pretty much stuck to places I can use my manual chair with
[17:47] <jussi> where I live we are known for our bike paths
[17:48] <Pendulum> maco: one of the "real" cities I've lived in had no wheelchair accessible taxis either
[17:48] <jussi> Pendulum: do you know anyone with a white van? :D
[17:48] <Pendulum> (but they did have wheelchair accessible public transport and I could have gotten to the airport that way)
[17:48] <Pendulum> haha
[17:49] <Pendulum> when I go back to work, I'll start fighting with vocational rehab to pay for an adapted van
[17:49] <jussi> Pendulum: :D
[17:50] <Pendulum> well, then I have to buy the van, but they'll at least pay for the adaptions
[17:50] <Pendulum> which will cut costs from $40k to probably $20k ;-)
[17:51] <jussi> this is a what we have pretty much all over the city: and a long way out also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgUkNxUE0wc
[17:52] <Pendulum> *ndos*
[17:52] <Pendulum> I am most definitely not in a city
[17:53] <Pendulum> I'd ask my ex how she got her powerchair to the airport when she moved, but I think her back folds down (mine can't because of the power recline)
[17:53] <jussi> Pendulum: nor I, but those paths come out almost to our house
[17:55] <Pendulum> okay, so I just googled "wheelchair accessible taxi connecticut" it turns out there's one in the entire state
[17:55] <Pendulum> it's an hour away from my house (so wouldn't help me)
[17:55] <Pendulum> and they only got it a year ago
[17:56] <jussi> Pendulum: wth? that is so weird - we have like 20 in Oulu - a town of 120,000
[17:56] <Pendulum> it's something I've noticed in the US
[17:57] <jussi> btw, one of our local pubs specialty drink - very cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BssofSb3yM&feature=related
[17:57] <Pendulum> when I was in Philadelphia (a large-sh city) there were no accessible taxis (and as far as I know that hasn't changed)
[17:57] <Pendulum> New York City only has about 200
[17:58] <akgraner> hey interview with Jono - in Issue 6 of Ubuntu User :-) http://ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2010/6/INTERVIEW-JONO-BACON-UBUNTU-COMMUNITY-MANAGER
[17:59] <jussi> Pendulum: that is crazy
[18:02] <AlanBell> Pendulum: not yet
[18:05] <Pendulum> AlanBell: okay. well just so you know I've mentioned Ubuntu for All to the person who said they felt like they'd been excluded from Ubuntu for "lifestyle" reasons
[18:05] <Pendulum> (on jorge's blog)
[18:05] <highvoltage> Pendulum: which blog entry was that?
[18:06] <AlanBell> oh goodie
[18:07] <pleia2> philly pretty much sucks for all kinds of transportation for everyone
[18:07] <pleia2> lousy public transit, lousy taxi service, driving is a traffic nightmare
[18:07] <AlanBell> he seems to argue that he disagrees with the CoC because it doesn't hold him to a high enough standard or something
[18:07] <pleia2> (and it's the 6th largest city in the country!)
[18:07] <AlanBell> although I may have missed his point because of tl;dr
[18:10] <maco> AlanBell: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance#disqus_thread
[18:10] <AlanBell> yeah, I know, reading it again now
[18:11] <AlanBell> I know what bisexual is, I am slightly curious about what polysexual is, but I feel asking Google may be unwise
[18:13] <maco> not everyone fits the gender BInary
[18:13] <maco> or hmm wait no thats pan/omni
[18:13] <AlanBell> indeed
[18:13] <maco> i would guess poly = > 1 partner
[18:14] <Pendulum> yeah, i assumed it was what I knew of as polyamorous
[18:14] <maco> ive never heard polysexual, but going by polyamourous...
[18:14] <Pendulum> pleia2: I actually didn't mind most of the public transit
[18:15] <maco> Pendulum: well except polyamourous groups (polymer is what cjwatson and i started calling them)  arent necessarily all in the room at once. so id guess polysexual is how many people you're being sexual with at a time...
[18:16] <Pendulum> (annoyed by the number of light-rail stations that weren't accessible, but that's like complaining about the subways in NYC not being accessible)
[18:16] <maco> hmm nyc did involve stairs...
[18:17] <maco> i should look and see how many accessible taxis are in dc
[18:17] <Pendulum> and most places I was in Philly area were about as bus accessible as most places I was in NYC
[18:18] <Pendulum> the real problem with SEPTA is the yearly budget threats ;-)
[18:23] <maco> found it! and it wasnt on FWD!
[18:23] <maco> http://whatsortsofpeople.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/ableist-language-alternatives/
[18:24] <maco> though id take "weak" and "feeble" off the safe list
[18:25] <Pendulum> yeah
[18:25] <Pendulum> and I'd add "boring" under alternatives to lame
[18:32] <czajkowski> I'm a little amazed at the amount of places to rent that say "must like cats"
[18:34] <AlanBell> seen any that say "must like large snakes"?
[18:34] <AlanBell> "must like chickens"
[18:36] <czajkowski> no
[18:36] <czajkowski> but I'd prefer to see either of those
[18:36] <czajkowski> yucy cats
[18:36] <maco> boo!
[18:36] <Pendulum> haha
[18:36] <Pendulum> czajkowski: are you looking at rooms rather than separate flats?
[18:37] <maco> note to self: don't ask czajkowski for flatmateness if moving to uk
[18:37] <czajkowski> damn  K key
[18:37] <czajkowski> maco: I HATE cats
[18:37] <czajkowski> Pendulum: both
[18:37] <czajkowski> ideally I'd love a 1 bedroom flat
[18:37] <czajkowski> but those seem to be then miles away from work
[18:37] <czajkowski> so kinda torn
[18:38] <jcastro> cats are great
[18:38] <jcastro> little hunters
[18:38] <jcastro> I still haven't been able to get him in the carrier to take him to the vet the past 2 days
[18:39] <Pendulum> I miss having a cat :(
[18:39] <Pendulum> although my mother made comments about maybe getting another cat and I told her I was happy to petsit when they went on vacation if she got another cat
[18:39] <maco> i used to work at a place where the ceo also did cat rescue. if she rescued kittens, they'd come to the office to play with us at work since they couldnt be left home alone all day
[18:40] <maco> one of them was adopted by the make-magic-happen person
[19:07] <czajkowski> honesly my sisters place rivals most spa treatment places, so much stuff to chose from and sample. FUN, she may regret me staying here
[19:11] <Pendulum> haha
[19:11] <Pendulum> czajkowski: are you there while she's away?
[19:12] <jussi> sweet and sour corn chips... interesting tast
[19:12] <jussi> somewhat like salt an vinegar, but sweet also
[19:17] <czajkowski> Pendulum: yup till tuesday till I collect them at midnight
[19:17] <czajkowski> means i can hang out with lyz this week
[19:17] <czajkowski> and I've 2 open week stuff i need to do as well, and a tal for saturday
[19:19] <Pendulum> :)
[19:19] <Pendulum> and the release party?
[19:20] <czajkowski> yup
[19:20] <czajkowski> I'd have more freedom living at home http://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=1383078
[19:45] <Pendulum> yeah
[20:05] <sense> good evening!
[20:05] <sense> For the first time, from Dokkum. :)
[20:08] <AlanBell> czajkowski: that will be empty nesters :)
[20:11] <Pendulum> hiya sense
[20:11] <sense> hi Pendulum
[20:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye
[20:29] <jcastro> hmm
[20:29] <jcastro> should I try to get the SE link mentioned in -release-party or you think that'll get shot down?
[20:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: why not it's a good idea
[21:46] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ping
[22:01] <sense> good night everyone and a happy release day tomorrow!
[22:03] <AlanBell> hi duanedesign
[22:05] <duanedesign> hello AlanBell
[22:06] <AlanBell> o/
[22:06] <duanedesign> I think i found it. I was looking for the page with the bugs filed against the wiki
[22:06] <duanedesign> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs
[22:07] <AlanBell> yeah, specifically https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[22:08] <duanedesign> ahhh
[22:08] <duanedesign> thank you sir
[22:27] <czajkowski> 60 teams celebrate 10.10 :D
[22:27] <czajkowski> impressive :D
[22:52] <doctormo> czajkowski: I also filled in all the events we've done in the loco directory so the loco council can see we're not dead.
[22:53] <czajkowski> great stuff thanks