[10:06] <asac> my NM applet is not visible ;)
[10:07] <didrocks> asac: launching unity in the gnome session?
[10:07] <asac> aber my final pre-release distupgrade reboot :/
[10:07] <asac> didrocks: no this is gnome session ;)
[10:07] <asac> its there somewhere, but seems the icon is gone or something
[10:07] <asac> really just 1px wide where i can click to get nm menu
[10:08] <didrocks> asac: ok weird then… just got that when unity steals the systray to GNOME, but not when I'm only using gnome-panel
[10:08] <asac> didrocks: feels too similar to be not the same problem
[10:08] <asac> otoh i can still click
[10:08] <asac> so the systray applet at least is still there
[10:09] <didrocks> yeah, so that's different I guess
[10:09] <asac> didrocks: what process would in your theory be stealing that?
[10:09] <didrocks> asac: when another process is stealing it, you have the systray applet crashing and disappearing
[10:09] <didrocks> so you can really not click anywhere :-)
[10:10] <didrocks> but apart from a "panel" process, I don't know of other trying to steal it
[10:10] <asac> i have /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet
[10:10] <didrocks> well, things like cairo-dock and family maybe…
[10:10] <asac> why do i have that?
[10:10] <didrocks> let me look
[10:11] <asac> isnt that something netbookish?
[10:11] <didrocks> yeah
[10:11] <didrocks> cairo-dock? no, it's a dock like you have awn and others…
[10:11] <didrocks> but I don't think you install those bling bling things :)
[10:11] <didrocks> and you will see them on your desktop
[10:12]  * asac doesnt see anything on his desktop as he always runs full screen windows
[10:12]  * asac looks whats going on there
[10:13] <asac> i have one place on the desktop where probably 10000 files are stacked above each other because whenever i download with the Desktop download default of ubuntu it goes there
[10:13] <asac> can we finally move downloads to Downloads ;)?
[10:13] <asac> or beter: directly to Videos, Music, etc.
[10:14] <didrocks> asac: it's move to Downloads normally, on a fresh install
[10:14] <didrocks> moved*
[10:15] <asac> didrocks: yeah. but mime-type sorted would be much better. or having a mime-type filtered view instead of real folders for music etc.
[10:15] <didrocks> oh right :)
[10:15] <asac> good to know ... how can i get a fresh install state ;)?
[10:15] <asac> how about a spec: freshify ;)
[10:15] <didrocks> heh :-) looking for the xdg file for that, one sec
[10:15] <asac> at best without killing those changes i really care about
[10:16] <asac> there are a bunch of changes that i didnt change, but that still stuck. like the three shutdown buttons i stiill have :)
[10:17] <didrocks> ah, finally got it!
[10:17] <didrocks> .config/user-dirs.dirs
[10:17] <didrocks> XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR
[10:17] <didrocks> "$HOME/Téléchargements" here for instance
[10:19] <asac> omg. translating those in config files is wrong imo ;)(
[10:19] <asac> those don't change if you change language then :)
[10:20] <asac> it hsould be solely on UI level where translation happens for special folders
[10:22] <didrocks> asac: right, it's just the language choosed at install time
[10:22] <didrocks> choosen
[10:22] <didrocks> chosen
[10:22] <didrocks> grrr :-)
[10:22] <didrocks> and I agree about that being on UI level, but I think it was that before and the CLI didn't map it, of course
[10:22]  * asac tries killing gnome-panel and hopes for a relayout fixing nm being gone
[10:23] <asac> yay its back
[10:23] <asac> guess its undeterministic/racy
[10:23] <asac> hmm
[10:23] <asac> didrocks: do you know that order is random there?
[10:24] <asac> my panel clock was on the right ... now after second killall gnome-panel the systray network thing is on the right
[10:24] <asac> and the clock on the left ... odd
[10:24] <asac> if it was two systray things changing order i would understand
[10:24]  * asac kills again
[10:24] <asac> hah
[10:25] <asac> three times nm was right, clock was left ... now its flipped again ;)
[10:25] <nigelb> murder all around apparently.
[10:25] <nigelb> 4th time licky perhaps
[10:25] <didrocks> asac: do you mean gnome-panel is buggy? not really a news :-)
[10:25] <nigelb> *lucky
[10:25] <didrocks> asac: next cycle, we will get the dbus version, hope that's going to get better
[10:25] <asac> didrocks: i block slot to lurk on desktop meetings i guess
[10:26] <asac> didrocks: what happened to the applet for nm?
[10:26] <asac> oh right... just connman gets that for now
[10:26] <asac> didrocks: is that going well?
[10:27] <didrocks> asac: I just tried it during the cycle. It wasn't as good as NM feature-wise, but it's in better state than when NM began :-)
[10:28] <didrocks> asac: stil a lot of bugs and weird behavior, but I think it'll be ok with the natty cycle
[10:28] <didrocks> ask to mpt, he is using it everyday :-)
[10:29] <asac> maybe i should try as well ... i dont have really special use cases. just wifi ;)
[10:29] <asac> with WPA-PSK
[10:33] <didrocks> should be ok then
[10:33] <didrocks> it's in universe
[10:33] <didrocks> indicator-network IIRC
[10:33] <didrocks> at least, the last time I sponsored it :-)
[10:35] <duanedesign> do my eyes deceive me or is couch replication working :)
[10:42] <didrocks> it's working for 3 weeks for me :-)
[10:45] <duanedesign> didrocks: i am anxious to test oneConf and get back to working on Stipple
[10:46] <didrocks> duanedesign: hehe, once the sync was there, I worked on OneConf to get it in good shape for maverick. I think it is
[10:46] <didrocks> duanedesign: now, I have a lot of idea to get better performance, already commited some work yesterday night
[10:46] <didrocks> there are a lot of low hanging fruits :)
[10:47] <duanedesign> didrocks: i have also been working on a script to get my irssi logs into Couch...been having Json searilixation errors though
[10:47] <didrocks> also, I want to talk with u1 guys, as we can have a lot of revisions, like "how to compact the db from desktopcouch" and such
[10:47] <didrocks> duanedesign: waow, I'm a little bit scared about the scalibity
[10:47] <didrocks> (and I use weechat, not irssi ;))
[10:47] <duanedesign> didrocks: that is understandable (scalability)
[10:49] <duanedesign> didrocks: what bzr branch has the latest work on OneConf?
[10:49] <didrocks> duanedesign: it's on my netbook which is upstair, I'll push it this week-end :)
[10:49] <didrocks> duanedesign: lp:oneconf is currently the version in universe
[10:50] <duanedesign> that makes sense (lp:oneconf) :D
[10:51] <asac> didrocks: are there any x86 users that get the efl launcher? someone said that some 915 intel chips are not supported
[10:51] <didrocks> duanedesign: isn't it? ;)
[10:51] <didrocks> asac: it's not seeded
[10:51] <didrocks> but I think the version should work from the repo
[10:52] <asac> didrocks: ok cool. guess that means that no considerable user base has any problem?
[10:52] <didrocks> ATI cards and old graphic chipset mostly
[10:52] <didrocks> I just detect if you have hw acceleration or not
[10:52] <didrocks> if not, I prompt a message
[10:52] <didrocks> change the default session to GNOME
[10:52] <didrocks> and logout
[10:52] <asac> ah ... so gnome is seeded on netbook?
[10:53]  * asac didnt know that
[10:53] <didrocks> well, netbook has most of gnome softwares
[10:53] <didrocks> so, we just have gnome-panel which isn't needed in unity
[10:53] <didrocks> and the gnome.desktop file in the session dir, which is in gdm in any case
[10:53] <asac> right ... is there any difference of that session default to the ubuntu desktop image?
[10:54] <didrocks> not a lot, we don't ship brasero for instance as a netbook doesn't have a burner most of the time
[10:54] <didrocks> and simple-scan IIRC
[10:54] <asac> *nods*
[10:55] <didrocks> apart from that, there is no pratical difference
[10:58] <duanedesign> have a good day didrocks
[10:59] <didrocks> duanedesign: thanks, enjoy desktopcouch syncing :-)
[11:39] <devildante> hello everyone :)
[11:44] <devildante> YokoZar: around?
[11:59] <rickspencer3> hi devildante
[12:00] <devildante> hi rickspencer3 :)
[12:14] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[12:14] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[12:14] <rickspencer3> how's it going today?
[12:15] <pitti> rickspencer3: pretty well; not much to do for me, as it seems
[12:15]  * rickspencer3 knocks wood
[12:15] <rickspencer3> pitti, skaet is working on release notes with robbiew
[12:15] <rickspencer3> other than that, just looking around to make sure no last minute issues arise today, but all seems well
[12:15] <robbiew> pitti: go enjoy your Saturday! ;)
[12:16] <pitti> robbiew: you mean go out to this hilariously nasty weather today?
[12:16] <pitti> sun, warm, colourful leaves on the trees
[12:16] <pitti> we'll do some kiting this afternoon
[12:18] <robbiew> pitti: heh...it's pretty nasty in London
[12:18] <robbiew> but what's new :)
[12:47] <didrocks> robbiew: beautiful weather in France, you should come! :-)
[12:47] <didrocks> oh, there is this "release thing", and so you can't, right? sorry ;-)
[12:47] <robbiew> didrocks: weather is beautiful in Austin, Texas as well...so I'll just go there on Monday ;)
[12:48] <didrocks> heh :-)
[12:48] <didrocks> hope that you will have enough room for your legs this time!
[15:40] <fagan> So quiet for the day before a release
[15:54] <rickspencer3> hi fagan
[15:54] <fagan> hi rickspencer3
[15:54] <fagan> :)
[16:00] <didrocks> better quiet than crazy :)
[16:03] <nigelb> fagan: the crazyness has been channeled in to #ubuntu-release-party
[16:06] <fagan> oh I forgot about #ubuntu-release-party
[16:15] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hey dude around at all?
[16:16] <rickspencer3> pitti, are you still around?
[16:16] <ari-tczew> is not dude an offensive word?
[16:17] <rickspencer3> ari-tczew, it is not
[16:17] <rickspencer3> well, not here, anyway
[16:17] <fagan> ari-tczew: nope
[16:17] <fagan> dude is an awesome word
[16:18] <fagan> its part of my core lexicon
[16:28] <didrocks> rickspencer3: hey, can I help on anything?
[16:28] <rickspencer3> didrocks, well, robbiew is seeing a bit of an odd issue with gwibber
[16:29] <rickspencer3> he's checking to see if he can see it on the ISO
[16:29] <robbiew> yeah...almost done zsyncing and will test
[16:29] <didrocks> ok, not really my field then, and I'm not really using it (I'm even not twittering), but I'm happy to try to confirm if needed
[16:29]  * robbiew suspects it's just my machine in an odd state
[16:29] <didrocks> robbiew: do you have the same if you try with a guest account?
[16:30] <robbiew> didrocks: let me check
[16:30] <rickspencer3> I'll check too
[16:32] <robbiew> didrocks: worked fine in guess session...so just my settings...whew! :)
[16:33]  * robbiew stops creating a USB live image
[16:33] <didrocks> robbiew: was it so scary issue? :-)
[16:33] <robbiew> nah..not really
[16:33] <robbiew> it was just the gwibber icon was popping up in the indicator area
[16:33] <rickspencer3> omg, respin!
[16:33] <robbiew> and not using the "Broadcast" icon
[16:33] <robbiew> heh
[16:34] <robbiew> but apparently rickspencer3 found a unity bug :)
[16:34] <didrocks> nooooooooo :-)
[16:37] <czajkowski> robbiew: that gwibber icon happens to pop up infrequently atm on 10.10
[16:37] <czajkowski> and I've no idea why and it goes away on reboot
[16:41] <robbiew> czajkowski: hmmm
[16:41] <robbiew> didrocks: nevermind on the unity bug...false alarm
[16:41] <didrocks> robbiew: *phew*, I'm still checking :)
[16:42] <czajkowski> robbiew: I cant reproduce it but it was there last week and comes and goes.. not sure what I'm doing that triggers it
[16:43] <robbiew> czajkowski: I suspect some part of it is crashing and failing to register with the indicator-applet or something
[16:43] <robbiew> whatever...hardly not worth release noting
[16:44] <czajkowski> aye
[16:44] <czajkowski> robbiew: was a more you're not going mad and you did see the icon comment :)
[16:44] <robbiew> aye...thnx ;)
[16:52] <jcastro> anyone need help with anything?
[17:12] <robbiew> jcastro: we're actually good ;)
[17:12] <jcastro> I don't believe you.
[17:13] <jcastro> robbiew: dropping a mention of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek next week for people to learn how to use their shiny new OS would help me out though. :)
[17:13] <robbiew> mention where?
[17:14] <jcastro> robbiew: release announcement perhaps? :)
[17:14] <robbiew> no way
[17:15] <jcastro> heh
[17:15] <asac> is it out yet? ;)
[17:15] <asac> jcastro: can we talk on monday please?
[17:15] <jcastro> robbiew: so I suppose a stackexchange link in your signature is also out of the question?
[17:15] <jcastro> (j/k)
[17:15] <robbiew> lol
[17:15] <jcastro> asac: yes I read the backscroll, no worries, we'll be fine!
[17:16] <asac> jcastro: i am sure that you will be fine! ;)
[17:16] <asac> enjoy your weekend!
[17:17] <jcastro> asac: have you seen the instructive videos?
[17:17] <jcastro> they should cover like 90% of what you need
[17:17] <asac> jcastro: i have seen nothing. i need a personal induction and need to talk about other things
[17:18] <jcastro> http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3539348/
[17:18] <jcastro> http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3544119/
[17:18] <jcastro> http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3544126/
[17:18] <asac> yes, thats fine. i doubt it answers my questions though :)
[17:18] <jcastro> replace the urls I mention there with "summit.ubuntu.com"
[17:18] <asac> wy?
[17:18] <jcastro> because they are out of date in the video, we don't really use the wiki anymore, etc.
[17:19] <jcastro> summit and the lp blueprint page is all you need: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[17:19] <asac> ok i will watch them, but i dont think this will answer my questions
[17:19] <asac> but well see
[17:19] <asac> lets talk monday
[17:19] <jcastro> oh I know it won't
[17:19]  * asac copies those urls to notes
[17:20] <asac> but i will watch them so i am well prepared and dont ask stuff that is already in there. so thanks
[17:20] <jcastro> heh
[17:20] <Amaranth> whoa, people here on a weekend
[17:20] <jcastro> we'll be fine, if you know what sessions and bp's you want we can knock them out in less than an hour
[17:20] <fagan> Amaranth: its release weekend
[17:20] <Amaranth> well sure
[17:20] <fagan> so its kinda a given
[17:21] <asac> jcastro: from when are you available monday (in UTC time)
[17:21] <asac> ?
[17:21] <Amaranth> btw, iOS 4.1 jailbreak is going to be released 10/10/10 at 10:10:10 am, stealing our thunder
[17:22] <jcastro> asac: 1300 is when I start work
[17:22] <jcastro> asac: I'd help you now but I am in and out before the game, but I'll make it priority for monday
[17:22] <asac> jcastro: great thats the only slot i have available ... sent you and invite
[17:22] <asac> jcastro: sure thats fine. i dont want to talk now anyway
[17:22] <asac> its saturday after all ;)
[17:23] <asac> ok enjoy!
[17:23] <asac> ttyl
[17:56] <didrocks> rebooting, brb
[18:05] <pitti> rickspencer3: o/
[18:08] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[18:08] <rickspencer3> thanks for pinging back, didrocks was around and helped out though
[18:09] <pitti> ok, cool
[18:50] <didrocks> ok, after digging, guest-session isn't guilty, gdm isn't guilty, gnome-session either and unity isn't
[18:50] <didrocks> but gconf has an empty environment when forking :/
[18:50] <didrocks> which wasn't the case in lucid
[18:52] <bilalakhtar> didrocks: guilty for what?
[18:52] <didrocks> some guest session issue in UNE
[18:52] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[18:52]  * bilalakhtar isn't able to run unity
[18:53] <bilalakhtar> thanks to bug #616697
[18:53] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 616697 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/616697 is private
[18:53] <bilalakhtar> thanks to bug #616997
[18:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616997 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "[RV515] Unity keeps reloading with a white background (affects: 14) (dups: 5) (heat: 139)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616997
[18:53] <didrocks> ah, ATI card…
[18:53] <didrocks> ok, dinner time there
[18:53] <bilalakhtar> bye didrocks !
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