[00:03] <slangasek> ScottK: I was going to check with highvoltage / stgraber on that one since I think it's really their call whether they wanted a respin for it
[00:04] <ScottK> slangasek: It was there before the last respin, so I'm assuming not.
[00:04] <ScottK> It's trivial to reupload in any case if needed.
[00:04] <ScottK> Ah.  Shoot.
[00:04] <ScottK> The last respin I was thinking about was Studio, not Edubuntu.
[00:11] <slangasek> highvoltage, stgraber: ping ^^
[00:15] <ScottK> At least rejecting when I shouldn't is more reversible than accepting when I shouldn't.
[00:43] <slangasek> ScottK: indeed :)
[01:18] <ScottK> It seems a bit odd that http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/rc/ just has dvd images.  I'd expect either a full set or nothing there?
[01:27] <slangasek> CDs go to releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10; cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10 is for overage
[01:27] <slangasek> and cdimages.u.c doesn't have room to carry releases.u.c as well as what it already carries
[01:54] <wgrant> Is extras.u.c broken?
[01:55] <wgrant> I'm not behind a proxy, and I'm getting hash mismatches on Sources.bz2.
[02:04] <ScottK> wgrant: By design, but that's probably not what you're talking about.
[02:04] <wgrant> Heh, indeed.
[02:05] <wgrant> The PPA itself is fine, so the sync is broken.
[02:06] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.
[02:41] <elmo> wgrant: example sources.list line?
[02:43] <wgrant> elmo: It was a fresh install.
[02:43] <wgrant> deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick main
[02:43] <wgrant> deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick main
[02:43] <wgrant> I suppose I should check the indices manually.
[02:43] <elmo> wgrant: is it reproducable?
[02:43] <wgrant> elmo: Yes.
[02:43] <elmo> hmm
[02:44] <elmo> it's not for me, and the timestamp for everything but the Releases.gpg dates back to October
[02:45] <elmo> actually even that does
[02:45] <elmo> hmm
[02:46] <elmo> so, I see why all the timestamps are so old
[02:46] <elmo> but if you can reproduce it, I'd love to get more detail
[02:46] <elmo> manually checking the Sources.bz2 and it seems to match
[02:46] <wgrant> elmo: Packages.bz2 for i386 and amd64 is 64a543afbb5f4bf728636bdcbbe7a2ed0804adc2
[02:47] <wgrant> (checkexd from a few hosts)
[02:47] <wgrant> Oh, right, that matches.
[02:47] <wgrant> Fail.
[02:47] <wgrant> Was looking at the wrong line.
[02:47] <wgrant> Then why is it whinging, I wonder.
[02:50] <wgrant> Er.
[02:50]  * elmo doesn't like the sound of that
[02:52] <wgrant> So.
[02:53] <wgrant> I can see that the installer (alternate CD) encountered the same error, so there was probably no proxy involved.
[02:53] <wgrant> The index in /var/lib/apt/lists was pretty clearly for the primary archive, which explains the hash mismatch.
[02:54] <wgrant> Moving it out the way makes the error mysteriously vanish.
[02:54] <elmo> sorry, which index?
[02:54] <elmo> I'm wondering if it's because the Sources.bz2 is empty
[02:54] <wgrant> extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_Release
[02:54] <elmo> and that messes with the installer's head
[02:54] <wgrant> Somehow the installer grabbed the archive.ubuntu.com file instead.
[02:54] <elmo> wgrant: oh, err, near
[02:54] <elmo> s/near/neat
[02:54] <wgrant> Erm.
[02:55] <wgrant> The first mention of extras.ubuntu.com in the installer log:
[02:55] <wgrant> Oct  8 23:57:58 in-target: Hit http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release.gpg
[02:55] <wgrant> I wouldn't expect a cache hit on the first update, really.
[02:59] <wgrant> I guess I'll run the installer in a VM and see what happens.
[03:11] <elmo> wgrant: oh, parting shot - ISTR cjwatson said ara had reported a similar bug
[03:11] <elmo> wgrant: might want to see if he already debugged it there
[03:12] <wgrant> elmo: Aha, I see something in backscroll. Thanks.
[03:13] <wgrant> It was dismissed as proxy skew.
[03:13] <wgrant> But this is a little suspicious.
[03:13]  * wgrant will install in a VM and watch closely.
[03:24] <wgrant> Hm.
[03:24] <wgrant> Reproduced.
[03:26] <wgrant> Just after the user details are entered and it goes off and does its apt config thing, /var/lib/apt/lists grows a extras.ubuntu.com Release file which looks suspiciously like a primary archive Release from the 21st of May.
[03:33] <GrueMaster> I saw the same thing on the dove (armel) image, which is worse as there are no package lists (blank or otherwise) on that location.
[03:34] <wgrant> Well, that's a bit more odd.
[03:34] <wgrant> Since I can see where it's getting this file.
[03:34] <wgrant> But that doesn't explain your case.
[03:35] <GrueMaster> Dove uses thelive image setup same as x86.  I do not see it on the preinstalled images.
[03:35] <wgrant> It's in the apt-mirror-setup udeb.
[03:35] <wgrant> So you probably do have it.
[03:37] <GrueMaster> Wheee.  Lucky me.  :p
[03:38] <GrueMaster> I wasn't sure what to file it under, and I have been onsite at TI all week, making normal testing challenging at best.
[03:48] <wgrant> Yeah, apt-setup is buggy.
[03:48] <wgrant> Easiest fix is probably to touch Release on extras.ubuntu.com.
[03:48] <wgrant> elmo: ^^ not so bad after all.
[03:51] <elmo> wgrant: sorry - how would touching the file help?
[03:52] <wgrant> elmo: The mtime of the bad index is a couple of days ago, but the one on extras.ubuntu.com is from September. So it won't grab a fresh copy.
[03:53] <wgrant> If the one on the server is newer, it should all work fine, I suspect.
[03:53] <elmo> wgrant: right, but I'm curious as to where on earth this bad index comes from
[03:54] <wgrant> elmo: The apt-setup udeb has an old signed copy of Release and Release.gpg.
[03:54] <wgrant> Once it sets up the mirrors, it prepopulates apt's list cache with those.
[03:54] <elmo> ah, ok, I see
[03:54] <elmo> that's err, broken
[03:54] <elmo> but OK
[03:55] <wgrant> It is broken, yes.
[03:55] <wgrant> But probably better to work around than reroll...
[03:55] <elmo> oh, god yes
[03:56] <wgrant> It calls this:
[03:56] <wgrant> apt-setup-signed-release archive.ubuntu.com "$file"
[03:56] <wgrant> apt-setup-signed-release then greps out lines that it should populate.
[03:56] <wgrant> Except that the regex is now "^'.*'"
[03:56] <wgrant> Maybe to handle mirrors, I guess.
[04:09] <elmo> hmm
[04:09] <wgrant> Hm?
[04:10] <wgrant> I see Release.gpg is new, but not Release itself.
[04:10] <elmo> yeah
[04:10] <elmo> because that's what it is on the PPA
[04:10] <elmo> and it keeps getting overriden by rsync
[04:10] <wgrant> Ah. Fun.
[04:10] <elmo> I guess I'll disable the rsync until we have something in the PPA
[04:10] <elmo> (it was broken anyway ;-)
[04:12] <elmo> wgrant: is it easy for you to spin up a re-test?
[04:12] <wgrant> elmo: Sure.
[04:13] <wgrant> It only takes a few minutes to get to that stage.
[04:27] <wgrant> elmo: That's fixed my real installation. But the installer apparently fails to retrieve it ("Err http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release" shows up in syslog, which isn't awfully helpful). But it's otherwise working, and an apt-get update after it finishes looks like it should work.
[04:27] <elmo> huh
[04:28] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:28] <elmo> wgrant: anything useful in the installer syslog?
[04:28] <wgrant> Anyway, looks like it's fixed unless you look at the logs.
[04:28] <wgrant> Get:8 http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release [57.3kB]
[04:29] <wgrant> Err http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release
[04:29] <wgrant> Thankyou, apt, for your wonderful errors.
[04:29] <wgrant> I'll let it finish installing and confirm that an update afterwards works OK.
[04:40] <wgrant> elmo: apt-get update works fine on the installed system.
[04:40] <wgrant> So unless you look at the installer syslog it looks like it works perfectly.
[04:40] <wgrant> Thanks.
[04:41] <elmo> cool - do you want to/are you going to follow up to the bug or should I?
[04:42] <wgrant> I filed bug #657176 about the general apt-setup issue.
[04:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657176 in apt-setup (Ubuntu) "apt-setup-signed-release doesn't restrict its actions to the given archive (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657176
[04:47] <elmo> ok
[05:53] <stgraber> slangasek,ScottK: I'm not exactly sure what that change is.
[05:54] <stgraber> mvo sent us an e-mail about an upgrade fix for edubuntu-artwork
[05:54] <stgraber> if that's this upload, then we won't need to respin as it only affects upgrades and you can't upgrade using the DVD
[05:54]  * stgraber is trying to find a diff
[05:57]  * stgraber found it
[05:57] <slangasek> ok - needs to be reuploaded to -proposed, then
[05:58] <stgraber> right, I'll ask mvo to do that
[05:58] <stgraber> hmm, actually I guess I can just do it, just need to get the .dsc from LP (as it seems I can still get it even from reject uploads)
[06:01] <wgrant> Right, we keep all primary archive uploads forever.
[06:06] <stgraber> ok, re-uploaded to -proposed
[06:07] <stgraber> slangasek: can we get that to -updates by the time 10.10 is out ? so users who upgrade on release day will get the fix ?
[08:32] <pitti> good morning
[11:10] <pitti> anything I should help out with?
[11:14] <robbiew> pitti: well...Kubuntu manual partitioning test is still outstanding...but I don't think we need you to run that :P
[11:15] <robbiew> stgraber: any plans on running the upgrade tests for Edubuntu?  I noticed they are still marked untested
[11:16] <marjo> robbiew: will you take care of working with kubuntu release team re: ARM?
[11:16] <robbiew> marjo: yeah...I'll "take care" of it ;)
[11:17] <marjo> robbiew: thank you sir1
[11:17] <marjo> sir!
[11:34] <AlanBell> window 74
[11:34] <AlanBell> gah, sorry
[11:41] <marjo> skaet: any idea what happened to the kubuntu mobile images? i can no longer access them from iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[11:41] <skaet> marjo: ???
[11:41] <robbiew> is this the armel stuff?
[11:42] <marjo> robbiew: yes
[11:42] <marjo> i was going to submit bugs on behalf of mpoirier who did the testing
[11:43] <marjo> so i can mark those tests failed
[11:43] <robbiew> I have no idea...were they there yesterday?
[11:52] <cjwatson> wgrant: thanks for diagnosing that.  looks like we've dodged the bullet for maverick?
[11:53] <marjo> robbiew: those are the images that mpoirier tested
[11:53] <cjwatson> which images (URLs)?
[11:54] <marjo> robbiew: i'm submitting bug reports anyway, since i can't mark those tests failed without a bug number
[11:54] <robbiew> marjo: ok
[11:54] <robbiew> FTR, I'm not holding up the release for Kubuntu Mobile on OMAP3/4 bugs anyway ;)
[11:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yep.
[11:55] <marjo> cjwatson: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4741
[11:55] <cjwatson> kubuntu-mobile should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/ or thereabouts
[11:55] <cjwatson> iso.qa's download links seem busted
[11:55] <marjo> cjwatson: ack
[11:55] <cjwatson> but I don't think that's something we can fix without db access?
[11:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: The apt error during installation is a bit odd, though.
[11:55] <marjo> robbiew: ack
[12:04] <marjo> ogra_ac: hi
[12:04] <ogra_ac> hi
[12:04]  * ogra_ac tries to think clear, i just stepped off the train, totally jetlagged
[12:05] <marjo> ogra_ac: ok, thx for the warning
[12:05] <marjo> ogra_ac: any chance you can help test kubuntu on ARM? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4739
[12:05] <ogra_ac> hmm
[12:06] <ogra_ac> not today anymore, i can give it a try tomorrow though
[12:06] <marjo> ogra_ac: ack
[12:06] <ogra_ac> thats only omap3, right ?
[12:06] <ogra_ac> oops
[12:08] <cjwatson> both omap3 and omap4 are built, despite the fact that the tracker only lists one
[12:08] <cjwatson> (I already talked with marjo about this; we'll rationalise arm image handling on the tracker later)
[12:08] <cjwatson> (not for 10.10)
[12:08] <ogra_ac> hmm, k
[12:08] <ogra_ac> i dont know who enabled omap4
[12:09] <marjo> ogra_ac: mpoirier already tested omap3 and omap4 but i don't think he did kubuntu desktop on ARM
[12:09] <marjo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4739
[12:09] <cjwatson> did anyone enable it specifically?  we probably just shoved it in
[12:09] <ogra_ac> we dont support live images on omap
[12:09] <cjwatson> kubuntu isn't a live image
[12:09] <ogra_ac> only preinstalled
[12:09] <ogra_ac> the testcase says live
[12:09] <cjwatson> the image type is 'preinstalled-desktop'
[12:09] <cjwatson> the testcase lies
[12:09] <marjo> ogra_ac: that's what mpoirier confirmed
[12:10] <ogra_ac> ok
[12:10] <cjwatson> (or possibly 'preinstalled-mobile', depending on whether this is kubuntu or kubuntu-mobile)
[12:10] <marjo> ogra_ac: check out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/657281
[12:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657281 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Maverick on Omap3 & Omap4: screen goes black and never comes back (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:11] <ogra_ac> marjo, to be honest i dont really care much about kubuntu on arm, the kubuntu community confirmed they had testers, thats the only reason why i enabled kubuntu on omap3 around beta
[12:12] <ogra_ac> i'm fine to do a last minute test tomorrow, but i wonder where the mentioned testers are
[12:12] <ttx> skaet, Daviey: checkin in from stpancras: everything alright ?
[12:13] <marjo> ogra_ac: thx
[12:13] <skaet> ttx,  hi.   so good so far.
[12:13] <Daviey> ttx: Did you manage to get the earlier train ?
[12:13] <ttx> I could have get it.. but I chose to have lunch instead
[12:13] <ttx> skaet: I won't be around this afternoon, arriving home ~10pm
[12:14] <ttx> so I guess I'll check in sunday morning to check everything is alright :)
[12:14] <Daviey> ttx:  heh, surely the food french side is better?
[12:14] <ttx> sure, but it's late :)
[12:14] <skaet> ttx,  safe travels, thanks for letting me know.
[12:14] <cjwatson> I'm off again.  text me if you need me
[12:14] <Daviey> ttx: What time will you have phone coverage?
[12:14] <Daviey> (just incase)
[12:15] <ttx> I'll have phone coverage over most of the travel, except while under the sea
[12:15] <Daviey> groovy.
[12:15] <ttx> just leave me a text message if anything springs up
[12:16] <ttx> Daviey: how is cloud10 doing ?
[12:17] <Daviey> ttx: Just finishing the merge from the design team, then will chase IS about access.  Ng said he was working today, so if nobody else - i will poke him.
[12:18] <Ng> there are several of us available today, although the UKers will be lunching shortly
[12:18] <robbiew> Ng: what's for lunch?
[12:19] <ttx> microsize sandwiches, right
[12:19] <Ng> robbiew: we're considering going to pizza express
[12:19] <ttx> robbiew: enjoy the Coriander tonight
[12:19] <robbiew> Ng: sounds good...ol'faithful
[12:20] <ttx> I shouldn't tell where robbiew is having dinner tonight on a public channel. His fanclub might turn up.
[12:20] <marjo> ttx: thx for introducing me to Coriander
[12:20] <robbiew> fanclub?....yeah right?
[12:21] <ttx> marjo: thank those who introduced me to it :)
[12:21] <Daviey> Ng: OK, great - who is vanguard?
[12:21] <robbiew> marjo: ttx: your welcome ;)
[12:22] <robbiew> you're
[12:22] <Daviey> if Daviey wasn't quite so lazy, he would walk the 30 steps to speak to you in person.
[12:22] <nigelb> heh
[12:22] <Ng> Daviey: by this point things should have tickets, and almost nobody is working today, so nobody is focussed on typical vanguard duties
[12:22] <Daviey> Ng: Ok, i will walk over
[12:22] <Daviey> :)
[12:22] <nigelb> Daviey: Nothing like sitting next to each other and IRC-ing :p
[12:23] <nigelb> robbiew: btw, might want to +m #ubuntu-release-announce, 10.10.10 is hitting in the east slowly :)
[12:24] <robbiew> nigelb: heh...so you assume we are releasing on 00:00:00 UTC on 10.10.10
[12:24] <wgrant> No, but everyone else does.
[12:25] <nigelb> exactly
[12:25] <robbiew> good for them :D
[12:25] <nigelb> robbiew: we know you get a kick out of respin 10 mins before release :)
[12:25] <robbiew> heh
[12:26] <robbiew> creates dramam
[12:26] <robbiew> drama
[12:27] <ttx> you mean it's not out yet ? Damn, I need to go back to the office.
[12:27] <nigelb> lol
[12:27] <robbiew> we have to keep OMG!Ubuntu from pre-announcing
[12:27] <robbiew> ;)
[12:27] <Daviey> nigelb: :)
[12:28] <nigelb> robbiew: true that.
[12:28] <wgrant> robbiew: Oh, they haven't already?
[12:28] <ttx> wgrant: they don't work on weekends.
[12:28] <ttx> emphasis on *they*
[12:28] <robbiew> well...after my respin last release...it wouldn't be wise
[12:29] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:29]  * ttx can almost feel skeat's bad eye on robbiew.
[12:29] <nigelb> Haha
[12:31] <wgrant> !!
[12:31] <marjo> robbiew: don't even think of it
[12:32] <ttx> we should have a specific deliverable that nobody uses and without any tests attached, just so that robbiew can respin it at the last minute. I don't know... Kubuntu on ARM in ap-southeast AMI
[12:33] <nigelb> robieubuntu - resput at the last minute of ubuntu releases.
[12:35] <nigelb> *spun
[12:41] <ttx> ok, will be back in a few, yay StPancras free wifi
[12:49] <ScottK> Is the omap4 kernel that's sitting in unapproved for -release really meant to be there?
[12:56] <ogra_ac> ScottK, whats the changelog entry ?
[12:56] <ogra_ac> there should be an SRU
[12:56] <ogra_ac> nothing that needs approval before release
[12:57] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57298257/linux-ti-omap4_2.6.35-903.15_source.changes
[12:57] <ogra_ac> looks right
[12:57] <ScottK> ogra_ac: Then I guess it was uploaded to the release pocket by mistake.
[12:57] <ogra_ac> thats the planned SRU
[12:57] <ScottK> Except not uploaded to -proposed.
[12:57] <ogra_ac> oh, might be, asl tgardner
[12:57] <ogra_ac> *ask
[12:58] <ogra_ac> i dont mind if it goes into the release indeed :) but it was initially planned as SRU
[12:58] <robbiew> cjwatson: should bug 653134 be marked FixReleased for the lupin task?  And do we still need to releasenote it per comment 30?
[12:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 653134 in lupin (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Can't boot Ubuntu after an upgrade from 10.04.1 to 10.10 (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653134
[12:58] <ScottK> Unless you're up for retesting all the omap4 images, I suspect you do mind if it goes in ...
[12:59] <ScottK> robbiew: We're at the final freeze for Universe now.  There's one package in queue that I'm going to reject since it's a very minor change and then we're done.
[12:59] <ogra_ac> ScottK, there is only one omap4 image to test and that change wont affect it at all, it only affects a specific board which isnt publically available anyway
[12:59] <robbiew> ScottK: \o/ thanks!
[13:00] <ScottK> You still have to requalify the image.
[13:01] <ogra_ac> indeed
[13:01] <ScottK> ogra_ac: I'm going to reject that as I'm certain a release pocket upload isn't what we want.
[13:02] <ogra_ac> k
[13:02] <ScottK> If it turns out that's wrong, they can reupload.
[13:02] <ogra_ac> its not wrong
[13:02]  * robbiew heads out for lunch
[13:02] <ogra_ac> doesnt matter where in the archive it lives as long as we get it in at some point
[13:02] <ogra_ac> (from our side ... )
[13:03] <ScottK> Right.  Done.
[13:03] <ScottK> robbiew: The -release queue is clear now.
[13:03] <robbiew> ScottK: thank you
[13:03] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[13:15] <ScottK> stgraber: edubuntu-artwork is now in the queue for -proposed twice.  Please let us know which one we should keep (based on debian/changelog they are dupes, but please let us know)
[14:15] <marjo> skaet: persia is testing kubuntu desktop on arm, so i think we're covered
[14:15] <skaet> thanks persia, marjo. :D
[14:17] <persia> Mind you, I don't have graphics acceleration or enough RAM to meet minimum requirements, so I'm not expecting more than "Yeah, it boots and the base environment (slowly) comes up if one waits an hour or so".
[14:18] <marjo> persia: understood & that would be sufficient
[14:20] <ev> robbiew: http://njpatel.blogspot.com/2010/07/gwibber-concept-part-1.html
[14:25] <skaet> Riddell,  ScottK,  is there an updated page for: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu
[14:27] <skaet> or more specifically - what will be the path that https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/FinalDraft/Kubuntu
[14:27] <skaet> will be using.   Final or FinalDraft?
[14:30] <ScottK> Riddell will need to answer that.  I was mostly offline for $WORK stuff this week and have no idea.
[14:31] <ScottK> I've asked on #kubuntu-devel to see if anyone else knows.
[14:36] <wgrant> robbiew: Now now, you'll give OMG probable cause to announce the release if you keep doing that :P
[14:36] <robbiew> wgrant: we wouldn't want that....would we?
[14:37] <persia> Tends to make mirrors annoyed when it takes *hours* to process the last pulse of .pool because of overexcited folk
[14:37] <marjo> robbiew: you really know how to make release days exciting
[14:42] <ScottK> persia: Hopefully they've got it already since we haven't made any changes in the archive in over 12 hours.
[14:43] <ScottK> Anyone else on the release team is welcome to join in working on the list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release and give people the sad news that $YOURPETBUG won't get fixed this cycle.
[14:47] <persia> ScottK, Most release mirrors only sync once daily, and not everyone gets pulsed.  That said, any sane release mirror is likely to be paying special attention today
[14:49] <persia> (plus there needs to be a pulse once the symlinks are created)
[14:56] <ScottK> Oh, right.
[14:56] <ScottK> Forgot about that bit.
[14:58] <robbiew> ogra_ac: do you all need to release note bug 626749?
[14:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626749 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "flash-kernel tries to use MTD devices on OMAP4 when no flash-kernel.conf exists (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626749
[15:03] <ogra_ac> robbiew, not for the images, no
[15:04] <ogra_ac> its on a special case device in a cornercase situation, NCommander is supposed to fix it though since his change to the subarch detection created the issue
[15:04] <ogra_ac> (thats why i assigned it to him)
[15:06] <robbiew> ogra_ac: ack..thnx
[15:11] <robbiew> ogra_ac: so....should we add bug 657281 to the ARM page?
[15:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657281 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Maverick on Omap3 & Omap4: screen goes black and never comes back (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657281
[15:12] <robbiew> or does Kubuntu have their own ARM release notes page?
[15:12] <ogra_ac> robbiew, well, we dont support kubuntu
[15:12] <ogra_ac> its a community thing to test it which apparently didnt happen yet
[15:13] <robbiew> ogra_ac: probably should be added to Kubuntu's page
[15:13] <robbiew> Riddell: ScottK: ^^
[15:13] <ogra_ac> i will do a test as per marjo's request tomorrow but it dosnt really fit on our page
[15:16] <marjo> ogra_ac: thx
[15:17]  * ogra_ac is really a bit upset that he was forced into building these images at all with the promise that there would be testers
[15:19] <robbiew> ogra_ac: but how would the testers get the hardware?
[15:19] <ogra_ac> robbiew, beagleboards are available for $129 at digikey
[15:19] <ogra_ac> since 1.5 years
[15:20] <robbiew> ogra_ac: what about the omap4 stuff?
[15:20] <ogra_ac> i dont know who enabled them, that they are built is a mistake
[15:20] <ogra_ac> i explicitly didnt
[15:21] <Spads> cjwatson: There appear to be tilde files in the releases tree, namely .htaccess~ and HEADER.html~
[15:21] <Spads> cjwatson: a few more in include/ and kubuntu/
[15:22] <ogra_ac> robbiew, we need that properly sorted in natty and i'd like to have a UDS session with kubuntu, release team and arm team about that
[15:22] <robbiew> ogra_ac: ack
[15:22] <ogra_ac> robbiew, i didnt enable kubuntu at all in maverick and was shouted at so i made the compromise to enable omap3 *if there would be testers*
[15:24] <robbiew> ogra_ac: ah...then the omap4 was built perhaps due to miscommunication between us and you all....any way...not going to hold up the release for this stuff anyway ;)
[15:24] <ogra_ac> robbiew, ack
[15:24] <ScottK> We've had testers up until now.
[15:25] <ScottK> Speaking of which, I"m doing the Kubuntu manual partitioning test that's missing now.
[15:25] <ogra_ac> from the community ?
[15:25] <ScottK> From people who weren't doing it on paid Canonical time, so yes.
[15:26] <ScottK> We also got kubuntu-mobile testing on arm from non-Canonical people
[15:28] <ogra_ac> ScottK, well, paid time or not gets very blurry, imho we should see that TI provides some HW to the community and thats something i'd like to solve in the above mentioned UDS session
[15:28] <ogra_ac> (TI will be there to participate in the discussion)
[15:51] <charlie-tca> xubuntu release notes for the final are going to be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final if anyone cares.
[16:17] <ev> lamont, anyone else: have you had any success in building a i386 chroot on an amd64 system without root? (While fakeroot fakechroot debootstrap... works fine for amd64->amd64, it fails on amd64->i386)
[16:17] <lamont> ev: never tried
[16:17] <ev> I was afraid you might say that
[16:27] <ScottK> Testing done.
[16:27] <ScottK> ogra_ac: I'm in favor of that.
[16:27] <NCommander> ogra_ac: *cough*, oops. That feel off my TODO list
[16:27] <NCommander> argh
[16:29] <persia> ev, there's at least some chance that one won't have permission to set the personality without root (although I'll admit to not understanding the details of linux personalities)
[16:35] <ev> persia: that much seems to work, though it could be failing silently for all I know
[16:36] <persia> No idea then (and I've never tried).  I thought personality was the only thing different between amd64->amd64 and amd64->i386
[16:38] <persia> You might be able to do it using qemu-debootstrap if you change the pass-through filters to not reject that usecase (as you'd have root in the emulated environment, which you can do as a regular user)
[16:38] <ev> hmm, I'll add that to my list of things to try
[16:38] <ev> thanks!
[16:39] <persia> Just be warned that the qemu-debootstrap authors assumed nobody would do this, so you may have to tweak the script a fair bit :)
[16:40] <ogra_ac> NCommander, yeah, you somehow misunderstood when i said you should unassign yourself from all bugs you dont actively work on :)
[17:09] <didrocks> robbiew: can you release note bug #657371 for netbook? It's really a bug finally :)
[17:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657371 in netbook-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Netbook Edition maverick doesn't have a guest session (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657371
[17:10] <robbiew> didrocks: ack
[17:10] <didrocks> thanks :)
[17:10] <didrocks> we can fix it in a SRU changing the seeds and people getting it by the new recommend
[17:13] <robbiew> didrocks: is there any workaround that I should document?
[17:13] <didrocks> robbiew: I'm investigating on seeing why it's broken right now, I'll ping you
[17:13] <robbiew> ok
[17:17] <Riddell> bug 656876 is a problem for Kubuntu upgrades
[17:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656876 in ubuntu "distupgrade crashed during conf file change review (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656876
[17:17] <Riddell> I'll probably have to upload update-manager
[17:18] <Riddell> we're thinking uploading to maverick-updates directly
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd still upload to proposed and test it, but yes, ~directly.
[17:20] <Riddell> robbiew: ok with that?
[17:20] <ScottK> We'll also need an associated release note.
[17:22] <robbiew> +1 with ScottK's suggestion
[17:22] <robbiew> upload, test, then move over
[17:22] <robbiew> Riddell: ^^
[17:22] <Riddell> ok
[17:28] <cjwatson> robbiew: I think that lupin bug will need some kind of vague release note ("may break"), yes
[17:28] <cjwatson> Spads: skaet is in control of antimony today and tomorrow, so I guess those will be from her
[17:28] <Spads> cjwatson: copy.
[17:28] <robbiew> cjwatson: ack
[17:46] <skaet> Spads:  all good now?
[17:48] <Spads> skaet: let me see
[17:48] <Spads> skaet: Looks much better, thanks!
[17:49] <skaet> Spads: you're welcome.  thanks for the explanation.
[17:52] <NCommander> ogra_ac: *cough*
[18:08] <doko_> robbiew: do mention in the release notes that we did drop support for i586?
[18:08] <stgraber> ScottK: argh, I only uploaded it once ;) guess mvo uploaded it too. Let me quickly check
[18:09] <robbiew> doko_: ok
[18:09] <stgraber> robbiew: I'll coordinate with highvoltage so we have the upgrade tested today
[18:10] <robbiew> k
[18:11] <stgraber> ScottK: keep the edubuntu-artwork of the 2010-10-07 and drop the one I made yesterday
[18:11] <ScottK> OK
[18:12] <ScottK> stgraber: Done.
[18:12] <stgraber> thanks
[18:13] <doko_> robbiew: and maybe add i686 without cmov support
[18:18] <robbiew> doko_: ack...will do, thx
[18:33] <newz2000> Hi, can you confirm that this will be a valid URL for an ISO: Can you confirm, does this look like a valid URL for the ISO? http://mirror.clarkson.edu/ubuntu-releases//maverick/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:10] <Riddell> newz2000: looks fine
[19:10] <newz2000> Riddell: great
[19:11] <Riddell> preferably without the double slash
[19:11]  * newz2000 will look into that
[19:11] <newz2000> Riddell: do you have a page with Kubuntu release notes that you'd like people to see for kubuntu instead of the ubuntu release notes?
[19:12] <Riddell> the release notes are the same
[19:12] <Riddell> there's a separate release announce page
[19:12] <newz2000> no, I'm just thinking release notes
[19:13] <Riddell> which will be http://www.kubuntu.org/10.10-release
[19:13] <Riddell> where are the draft release notes?
[19:14] <newz2000> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes
[19:15] <Riddell> skaet: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/FinalDraft/Kubuntu will be http://www.kubuntu.org/10.10-release
[19:17] <Riddell> newz2000: do you know what magic is needed at release time to clear web caches and whatnot?
[19:17] <newz2000> Riddell: when we push we also ping IS to flush the cache
[19:18] <Riddell> newz2000: ok, make sure you give me warning when that's going to happen
[19:18] <newz2000> Riddell: well, this time B will be doing the push unless there's a problem, but I'll tell her to give you a ping
[19:18] <newz2000> Her IRC nic is literraly "B" on canonical's irc
[19:20] <Riddell> that's either very silly or very elite, I'm unsure which :)
[19:22] <newz2000> That's what they call her in real life too
[19:23] <Riddell> that's elite
[19:24] <Riddell> robbiew, skaet: do we have an ETA for release?
[19:28] <highvoltage> http://edubuntu.org/news/10.10-release will be Edubuntu's release notes (I'll work on that after finishing testing upgrades)
[19:33] <newz2000> Riddell: how much advance notice would you like before the cache's are cleared?
[19:34] <Riddell> newz2000: 15 mins say?
[19:34] <newz2000> Riddell: ok.
[19:34] <newz2000> It's not an exact science fyi. Cache's have a mind of their own.
[19:35] <Riddell> although an expected time would be nice too
[19:44] <Riddell> ScottK or anyone: update-manager in maverick-proposed unapproved queue
[19:44] <ScottK> Looking
[19:46] <ScottK> Waiting for the diff
[19:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.
[19:57] <Riddell> ta
[19:58] <Riddell> I think I'm in for a long evening of testing
[19:58] <Riddell> and release announce writing
[20:14] <ScottK> maverick-backports project created.
[20:17] <Riddell> newz2000: does kubuntu have an equivalent of http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download  ?
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh.. that page also lists kubuntu downloads
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Releases of Kubuntu and Edubuntu are also available here.
[20:32] <Riddell> it would be nice to have one that went directly to the kubuntu page though
[20:33] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[20:45] <ScottK> Who's working on release notes?
[20:45] <ScottK> robbiew or skaet: Are you still in progress on these?
[20:47] <Riddell> I've a suspicion Millbank folks have all gone to the pub
[20:47] <ScottK> Probably.
[20:48] <ScottK> Riddell: There are a couple of Kubuntu specific release notes which still need to get in.
[20:48] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&search=Search&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[20:49] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks, "review release notes" is definately on my TODO for tonight
[20:50] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.
[20:50] <ScottK> I'm aware of those two because I wrote them.  No idea what else there may be.
[20:57] <didrocks> robbiew: FYI, netbook guest session package fix uploaded to -proposed
[21:04] <Riddell> robbiew, skaet: who is doing the pre-publishing and when?
[21:05] <Riddell> ah, it's already done, good good
[21:19] <Riddell> ev: does Wubi work from Windows 7?
[21:25] <skaet> ScottK, Riddell back from dinner.
[21:26] <Riddell> so I was almost right when I said pub :)
[21:27] <Riddell> skaet: correction, it'll be at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[21:35] <skaet> Riddell,  yup.
[21:40] <Riddell> skaet: I'm not going to get to reviewing the kubuntu bits on the release notes for a wee while, when do you need that done by?
[21:41] <skaet> Riddell,  we're getting an edit in.   Please hold off any changes until you're passed the baton.
[21:42] <newz2000> Riddell: no, there is no equiv for the download/testing link
[21:42] <Riddell> newz2000: add that to my wishlist :)
[21:42] <newz2000> noted. ;-)
[21:43] <skaet> Riddell,  please refresh now.  baton just passed to robbiew.  ;)
[21:48] <skaet> Riddell,  after a bit of discussion,  would it be possible to just mail robbiew and me your edits directly at this point?
[21:49] <Riddell> skaet: can do, as I say I'm busy on other things just now, when do you need them by?
[21:50] <stgraber> skaet: we have one edubuntu upgrade bug to release note, should we update the wiki directly ?
[21:51] <skaet> Riddell,  stgraber - please send any updates to us by email in next 15 minutes.   we need to get them ready to handoff to newz2000.
[21:52] <newz2000> skaet: you don't need to hand off to me. Make sure that wiki page is right and everything will happen OK tomorrow.
[21:53] <skaet> newz2000,  good to know.
[21:54] <stgraber> skaet: ok, highvoltage is preparing an e-mail just now (we need to refresh the Edubuntu 10.10 features and add one release note entry)
[21:55] <skaet> stgraber,  thanks!    Will incorporate as soon as arrives.
[21:55] <jdstrand> robbiew: fyi for bug #656173, there is updated suggested release note text in comment #10. The one you added had a small typo and wasn't as clear as it could be
[21:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656173 in libvirt (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "libvirt no longer probes chained backing stores (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656173
[21:55] <jdstrand> robbiew: I'd change it, but you have the lock
[21:56] <robbiew> jdstrand: ack
[21:56] <skaet> jdstrand,  thanks.  robbie's got it.
[22:05] <Spads> skaet: if you doubted that mirror admins would notice ~ files, take a look at this when you have time: https://pastebin.canonical.com/38465/
[22:06] <Spads> skaet: basically we should probably add DirectoryIndex index.html to our .htaccess for releases so that our mirrors won't spill the beans
[22:11] <Spads> skaet: short version is that http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ doesn't show http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/index.html the way it ought.
[22:14] <ScottK> skaet: The release notes inputs I had are in fix committed bugs against ubuntu-release-notes
[22:15] <Riddell> skaet: where is the draft of the e-mail announcement for ubuntu-announce?
[22:15] <skaet> ScottK,  cool.  Can you please let us know the bug numbers.
[22:15] <skaet> Riddell,  robbiew's working on it.
[22:16] <ScottK> skaet: Bug 628930 and Bug 651294
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628930 in mesa (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "[i945GME] KDE Desktop effects not active by default (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628930
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
[22:17]  * ScottK has promised to loan hardware affected by 628930 to the kwin developer that's coming to UDS, so we may have something for SRU by the end of the month.
[22:17] <skaet> thanks ScottK!
[22:17] <Riddell> Bug 628930 is already in there
[22:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628930 in mesa (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "[i945GME] KDE Desktop effects not active by default (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628930
[22:19]  * robbiew takes a break
[22:19] <ScottK> OK.  Would you please mark the ubuntu-release-notes task fixed released then.
[22:20] <Riddell> skaet: do you have a list of Kubuntu images to be published on cdimage tomorrow?
[22:22] <highvoltage> skaet / robbiew: did you get my email?
[22:22] <skaet> highvoltage,  yup.   Changes added.
[22:23] <highvoltage> great! thanks
[22:26] <skaet> need to change locations now... will finish up after I can connect again.
[22:39] <Riddell> robbiew: is mvo going to be around tomorrow?
[22:55] <stgraber> Is there any vague estimate as to when we'll release ? both highvoltage and I are on the EDT, so it'd be nice to know how early to wakeup to make the anouncement available on the website + blog posts ;)
[22:59] <Riddell> added to release notes Bug: 634664 Bug: 651086 Bug: 656195
[23:46] <skaet> ogra_ac, thanks for the input.  I think I've cleaned up that bad copy/paste now.   could you please take a look at the bugs and make sure you're comfortable with them.
[23:46] <skaet> ??
[23:48] <ogra_ac> skaet, is tomorrow morning (my time) ok ?
[23:48] <ogra_ac> or is it urgent ?
[23:48] <skaet> Riddell, ScottK;  have made all the changes I've received.   Do you want any further changes to the Kubuntu overview or bugs part?
[23:49]  * ogra_ac fixes one issue
[23:49] <Riddell> skaet: for the ReleaseNotes?
[23:49] <skaet> ogra_ac, newz2000 says he's got the manual part removed,  so pressure came off a bit.
[23:49] <skaet> Riddell, yup
[23:49] <Riddell> hmm "Kubuntu 10.10 comes with the latest KDE Software." is actually a lie, but never mind
[23:50] <Riddell> skaet: just the link needs changed in "For more information see the Kubuntu release page"
[23:50] <Riddell> to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[23:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Shouldn't that be something plasmaish anyway?
[23:50] <ogra_ac> skaet, well, the separate arm notes are moot if we add the "no sound devices on omap" bug as well ...
[23:51] <Riddell> ScottK: we ship with a lot more KDE Software than just Plasma
[23:51] <skaet> ogra_ac,  the separate arm notes are a better break down, and clearer than the release notes.
[23:51] <ogra_ac> oh, ok
[23:52] <skaet> ogra_ac,  can you remove the "update for Maverick Meerkat" at the top of the ARM notes though?
[23:52] <ScottK> Riddell: True, but KDE software is not particularly true to the rebranding stuff.
[23:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yes it is, it's the approved term for software made by KDE
[23:52] <ogra_ac> skaet, why is bug 539027 under arm ?
[23:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 539027 in casper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "end_request: I/O error rebooting at end of install (affects: 18) (dups: 1) (heat: 102)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539027
[23:52] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[23:52] <ogra_ac> there is nothing arm realted in the comments
[23:53] <Riddell> skaet: is mvo going to be around tomorrow?
[23:53]  * skaet looking...
[23:53] <ogra_ac> and if its casper it can only be dove (omap images dont use casper)
[23:54] <ogra_ac> ah, i see
[23:54] <ScottK> skaet: Where do I read the draft?
[23:54] <skaet> Riddell,  mvo said he'd come in.
[23:54] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster apparently commented for dove
[23:54] <Riddell> skaet: ok, remind me to make sure he sets the date correctly in meta-release (it currently isn't valid) and to use the maverick-updates version
[23:54] <ogra_ac> skaet, so if 539027 stays for arm, it should be pointed out that its dove only
[23:55] <skaet> ogra_ac,  while you're in there now, go ahead and make that change
[23:56] <ogra_ac> skaet, hmm, bug 563034 is clearlsy a lucid bug and has no notes about maverick
[23:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 563034 in gnome-media (Ubuntu) "recording .ogg produces no sound (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563034
[23:56] <skaet> ogra_ac,  if its not valid, remove it.
[23:56] <ogra_ac> ok
[23:56] <skaet> Riddell,  please send a note with the detail.
[23:57] <skaet> ogra_ac.  Thank you.  :)
[23:59] <ogra_ac> skaet, done, please check for typos etc