[03:58] <ScottL> wow, all new ISO images tested :)
[04:00] <holstein> w00t
[12:46] <rlameiro> 24 hours to go.....
[13:51] <ScottL> rlameiro, 24 hours to go....for what?
[13:54] <jussi> Just a reminder, #ubuntu-release-party is open! Welcome!
[15:20] <rlameiro> ScottL: launch day
[15:25] <ScottL> rlameiro, gotcha ;)
[15:25] <ScottL> sorry, sometimes it's been hard to keep with particulars between releases between working on three of them :P
[15:26] <rlameiro> :)
[15:26] <rlameiro> yeap
[15:26] <ScottL> but i'm really, really excited about natty though
[15:26] <rlameiro> well, we should push
[15:26] <rlameiro> i am happy to see more involvement on the mailing list
[15:26] <rlameiro> lets see how it turns out
[15:27] <ScottL> absolutely ;)
[15:27] <rlameiro> ScottL: i was talking with PerSia
[15:27] <ScottL> i'm hoping that natty will rank as one of the definitive releases, like hardy perhaps
[15:27] <ScottL> rlameiro, yes?
[15:27] <rlameiro> about specific tests for ubuntustudio
[15:27] <rlameiro> and I think we could bring together the workflows and testing
[15:28] <ScottL> yeah :)
[15:28] <rlameiro> for instance - recording audio to ARDOUR
[15:28] <ScottL> that's a really good diea
[15:28] <ScottL> idea
[15:28] <rlameiro> follow the workflow
[15:28] <rlameiro> does it work? yes, not, kinda?
[15:28] <ScottL> absolutely!
[15:28] <rlameiro> etc etc
[15:28] <ScottL> this is very similar to what troy_s had been takling about
[15:29] <ScottL> he kept pumping me to answer the purpose of things
[15:29] <ScottL> why we have an iso, why we include applications, etc, etc
[15:29] <rlameiro> well, like this we kill 2 bunnys with the same hit
[15:29] <ScottL> and now that we are identifying the reasons (workflows) , it's bloody amazing how much we can hang on that framework
[15:29] <ScottL> it helps define our tests, our documentation, our packages, almost everything
[15:30] <ScottL> :)
[15:30] <ScottL> gotta go play with son, be back in a littel
[15:30] <rlameiro> One good answer for the ISO is to say, that stock ubuntu is not "streamlined" enough for audio/multimedia work
[15:30] <rlameiro> ok
[15:30]  * rlameiro burning test ISO AMD64
[15:40]  * rlameiro rebooting and installing US ISO
[16:12]  * persia discourages claiming regular Ubuntu is somehow "worse": we use almost precisely the same Desktop software.  If one must compare, consider identification of components that behave in unpredictable ways (with unexpected effects on latency), rather than on "speed" or "streamlining" or similar.
[16:13] <persia> In addition to any marketing benefits, this set of unpredictable software becomes a list of things that our support team can suggest people avoid, replace, or uninstall if they are having latency issues with `apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio` rather than from an ISO install.
[16:18] <holstein> yeah
[16:19] <holstein> i think we have some good ideas in place to address this issue
[16:19] <holstein> makes me sad when folks come in #ubuntustudio with problems
[16:20] <holstein> they'll say, i had ubuntu installed and everything was fine, i wiped that and installed ubuntustudio
[16:20] <holstein> and i just wish they had come in the channel first
[16:20] <holstein> install some of the studio packages and 'get their feet wet' a bit
[16:22] <persia> Indeed: 99% of the time if someone has a working install, it's better to swap metapackages and maybe uninstall a few things than to do a complete reinstall.
[16:22] <holstein> OH
[16:23] <holstein> and the supported device question
[16:23] <holstein> 'i have this USB whatever, and i installed ubuntustudio hoping the support would be in there'
[16:23] <holstein> that would be an easy thing to squelch
[16:23] <holstein> assuming a person would read some documentation
[16:24]  * holstein is guilty of that though ;)
[16:24] <holstein> i tend to just go for it, and RTFM later
[16:26] <persia> Lots of times that works.  The key thing that needs to be made clear is that we have precisely the same device support as any other Ubuntu flavour, *EXCEPT* when using special kernels (none available in maverick), where we may have slightly *poorer* device support.
[16:26] <persia> Folks who uninstall e.g. Kubuntu and install Studio and select fancy kernel options may well find that they are in a less ideal situation.
[16:27] <holstein> totally
[16:27] <persia> (although for maverick, this isn't important, as we only have the one kernel, and current discussions seem to indicate that future special kernels may well have identical device support)
[16:27] <holstein> if you were running kubuntu, and had everything tweaked out
[16:27] <holstein> ubuntustudio is completely different
[16:38] <rlameiro> AMD64 tests finished
[16:39] <rlameiro> holstein: awake?
[16:39] <holstein> rlameiro: yeah
[16:39] <holstein> sorry man
[16:39] <holstein> i'm going to be a while on that VO
[16:39] <rlameiro> ?
[16:39] <holstein> we got our old house for sale
[16:39] <rlameiro> VO = video?
[16:39] <persia> rlameiro, That was the last test on the list, right?
[16:39] <holstein> voice over
[16:40] <rlameiro> ok
[16:40] <rlameiro> persia: yes the optional 
[16:40] <persia> \o/  We're ready for release
[16:40] <rlameiro> but not so optional...
[16:40] <holstein> w00t :)
[16:40] <persia> Now we just have to wait for the rest of the flavours, and the mirroring, etc...
[16:40] <rlameiro> well, i dont know about i386
[16:40] <holstein> UbStub 10.10 
[16:40] <persia> (go help other teams test if you have time)
[16:40] <rlameiro> let me check
[16:41] <rlameiro> yep
[16:41] <rlameiro> Ubuntu studio tested :DDDDD
[16:42] <rlameiro> I could try to test on my IGEP but i dont have time right now, need to write paper.....
[16:43] <rlameiro> holstein: do you have some idea to when the VO will be up?
[16:44] <rlameiro> persia: check this video http://blog.angulosolido.pt/2010/10/linspotting-project-linux-video-editing.html
[16:44] <holstein> rlameiro: wow
[16:44] <holstein> this release really sneaked up on me
[16:45] <holstein> rlameiro: do i have your email?
[16:45] <holstein> i might be able to work it out late nite tonight
[16:45] <rlameiro> dont know
[16:45] <rlameiro> ricardo lameiro aaaatttt gmmmail dot c o m
[16:46] <rlameiro> of course, all together :D
[16:46] <rlameiro> logged channels you know...
[16:46] <holstein> rlameiro: can you link me that vid again?
[16:46] <holstein> i cant seem to find it on this box
[16:46] <holstein> i might have already taken it to the studio
[16:47] <holstein> but i want to make sure i got it
[16:47] <rlameiro> ok
[16:47] <rlameiro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/installvideo2.mp4
[16:48] <holstein> :)
[16:52] <ScottL> rlameiro, persia, holstein :  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox
[16:52] <ScottL> look for ISO vs PPA section
[16:53] <rlameiro> nice :D
[16:54] <rlameiro> I still think that you shouldnt need to defend building ISO, it should be obvious to everyone
[16:54] <rlameiro> but well...
[17:53] <ScottL> but people are biased and will demand reasons why we don't subscribe to their viewpoint, this provides the logic to them
[18:10] <ScottL> updated the packages list : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications
[18:11] <ScottL> and working release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/WorkingReleaseNotes
[18:23] <ScottL> persia, i had tried fedora lxde recently and noticed it included the release notes in the menu (and i think on the desktop too)
[18:24] <ScottL> i think it would be a good idea to create a release notes package that does this also to ensure that the release notes are most accessible to users
[18:25] <ScottL> do you, or TheMuso, have any thoughts about this?
[18:28] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Scott, I recently tried out Damn Small Linux on an ancient computer, and it had an entire FAQ open on the desktop when it was finished loading.  I found it very helpful.  Just an observation.
[18:29] <ScottL> thanks Narwhal_Gym_Sock , i think for new users this could be a really helpful item
[18:30] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> By the way, I'm Brian from the e-mail list.  I thought I'd try using IRC for a change, it's not something I usually use.
[18:31] <ScottL> beejunk ?
[18:32] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Yes, that's right.
[18:33] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> I can never get straight which handle is being used on which program.  I should probably stick with just one.
[18:36] <rlameiro> Full house today :DDDD
[18:37] <rlameiro> ScottL: busy?
[18:42] <ScottL> lol Narwhal_Gym_Sock 
[18:43] <ScottL> rlameiro, so, so...but what i will make time
[18:43] <rlameiro> leave it, its more a thing for natty +1 maybe
[18:44] <rlameiro> maybe, moving out from gnome to another WM
[18:44] <rlameiro> lxde or XFCE
[18:44] <ScottL> ohhhh
[18:44] <rlameiro> they are lightweight, and maybe it enough for studio
[18:45] <holstein> i bet xustudio would be easy enough to set up
[18:46] <holstein> AFAIK there are no xfce ones
[18:46] <rlameiro> well, i dont know, but i think its an idea worth exploring
[18:46] <holstein> AVlinux is LXDE
[18:46] <rlameiro> also because ubuntu is going to gnome3
[18:46] <holstein> yeah
[18:47] <holstein> LXDE is light
[18:47] <rlameiro> dont think it will be a good wm for studio... we should start to prepare for that
[18:47] <ScottL> that's a lovely idea, but i'm not sure how we could implement it, or if we have the resources either
[18:47] <ScottL> but we could certainly explore it though and see where we stand
[18:48] <ScottL> i agree, adding a lightweight wm would be a win, especially with gnome3 on the horizon
[18:48] <rlameiro> well, i am not sure about it, but i think it is a matter of changing the seeds, and the menu acordingly
[18:48] <rlameiro> also make a theme for it
[18:49] <rlameiro> not sure if it will be feasible for natty
[18:49] <holstein> i suppose we should see how gnome3 goes
[18:49] <rlameiro> but nevertheless its worth planing and discussing
[18:49] <rlameiro> holstein: gnome3 will required 3d aceleration....
[18:49] <holstein> yeah?
[18:49] <holstein> that aint cool
[18:49] <holstein> requiring
[18:50] <rlameiro> well, i am sure it will run without it, but it wil not be the same thing
[18:50] <holstein> well, i guess its cooll to push things along a bit
[18:50] <rlameiro> I think Lxde/xfce is a safe bet
[18:51] <rlameiro> it is very inportant that the hardware power is channeled to the tasks people use instead for the WM
[18:52] <rlameiro> if you can save only 100MB ram, its already a win :D
[18:52]  * rlameiro remebers the time where a 2MB ram upgrade was an Awesome thing
[18:57] <holstein> rlameiro: maybe ubuntu studio light ?
[18:57] <holstein> when is it that gnome 3 will get in there?
[18:57] <holstein> natty?
[18:57] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Hopefully I don't betray too much ignorance, here, but is it possible to make Ubuntu Studio a sub-distribution of Xubuntu? (A kind of sub-sub distro)
[18:58] <holstein> as a user
[18:58] <holstein> we can add the packages to whatever
[18:58] <rlameiro> Narwhal_Gym_Sock: i dont think it will be necessary, but if it goes forward, ubuntustudio will use stuff from them
[18:58] <rlameiro> or from lubuntu
[18:58] <holstein> i keeping it easy to maintain is key
[18:58] <rlameiro> since everything is on the ubuntu repos
[18:59] <rlameiro> diference is on config files/seeds
[19:03] <ScottL> Narwhal_Gym_Sock, you can always start with a xubuntu default installation, add packages, and make the necessary configuration changes required for audio
[19:10] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Indeed.  I was mostly just wondering if the fact that Xubuntu already exists would make it easier to potentially create an XFCE-based UbuStu.
[19:10] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> rlameiro response I think basically answered that.
[19:13] <rlameiro> well, basicaly is the same that using gnome or kde
[19:23] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Off to work, see you all later.