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htoothroti'm trying to figure out why my bitlebee service is started twice, but i'm pretty green about the services etc..06:17
* balsaq listens as a single dew drop falls from the vines and lands on the ground in the peaceful digital rainforest known as.....xubuntu!07:41
balsaqi recently used xubuntu to rescue an infested windows HD. what an experience...buntu rules it seems some of the files are unreadable...coded. not many. is that becasue of ntsf vs ext3?07:47
balsaqbecause*07:48
moetuneswas it file name or contents you couldn't read?07:52
balsaqcontents07:53
moetunesprob some form of ms formatting on them - you could check what linux sees them as with the   file   command07:54
balsaqthe file had it normal name, i clicked and dragged them from the infected windows computer to the xubuntu desktop, then i burned them to cd. after burning the cd i pulled up the files to see if the are readable. most are..could even view the pics....a few are coded.07:54
balsaqbut regardless it looks like xubuntu saved 95%07:55
balsaqi suppose a guy could use buntu to kil virus in windows HD too07:56
balsaqimagine buntu saving windows haha07:57
moetunesthere is antivirus apps in the repos07:57
moetunesto run on windows files07:57
moetunesor shared files07:57
balsaqi installed it but it wont run07:57
balsaqclam07:57
moetunesk07:57
balsaqnot sure how to use it but when i installed clam it installed a lot of files07:58
balsaqso i clicked on run AV but i cant see anything happeneing07:58
moetunesI've never needed it...07:58
balsaqwell idont for buntu07:58
balsaqbut it would be useful to clean the HD i mounted under the buntu drive07:58
moetunesno windows in my home07:58
moetunesit would07:59
balsaqwindows is so fragile07:59
moetunessomeone in #ubuntu might have a clue on clamav07:59
balsaqwhen i installed ubuntu 1004 i hooked up my printer and it worked with no drivers added07:59
ubottuUbuntu bug 1004 in Baz (deprecated) "UI request: baz mkdir" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100407:59
balsaqbug?08:00
balsaqwut08:00
moetunesit was cause you said 100408:00
balsaqi had some bugs so i reinstalled it too ext3 and have had no issues08:00
balsaqat 1st it seemed to leak memory or something08:01
balsaqi was trying to get help on clamav in ubuntu the other day and it was really a pain...they seemed stressed out.08:03
moetunesheh they can at times seem that way08:03
balsaqthey seem to prefer to help experts rather than aspiring techs08:04
moetunesmaybe noone there at the time had used it08:04
balsaqbut i can se the day where windows will not be worth money anymore....at least not too me.08:04
moetunesI haven't used it since 200308:05
balsaqi like windows for fun, but the money they want is silly.08:05
moetunesthat os is silly imo08:05
balsaqall my computers al dual boot now08:06
moetunesso bloated08:06
balsaqi like w2000 pro a lot08:06
balsaqnice lil one08:06
balsaqreminds me xubuntu lean and mean08:06
tarekhello people i wanted to know where does the NetworkManager Applet store the wpa2 encryption configuration10:24
tarek??10:24
balsaq there should be a Network Manager icon in the GNOME panel, which looks like a couple of dots. Right click the Network Manager icon to enable the network10:35
coolguy4I have a problem with xubuntu  inside a virtualbox. Everything was going fine, then one day I was running aptitude inside xubuntu and I was installing some packages, then I had a problem with my host os and I needed to do a ctrl-alt-bksp .... Now when I try to boot xubuntu in the virutal box I get to the login screen, I enter my details, and the screen flashes a couple of times before returning me to the login screen. Any ideas? It seems12:00
coolguy4that xorg is not starting properly... or fails soon after starting...12:00
balsaqblew out the bootloader12:19
balsaqreinstall grub12:19
balsaqTry using this option in the "Device" section of xorg.conf12:21
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j1mchey all - is anyone using xfce4-terminal for irssi?13:20
j1mcwhen i try to launch irssi from the terminal, i get ....13:20
j1mcTERM environment not set13:20
Mark76Hang on13:21
j1mcCan't initialize screen handling, quitting13:21
j1mcYou can still use the dummy mode with -d parameter13:21
Sysiexport TERM=xterm13:21
Sysiiirc13:21
j1mcSysi: that did it.  Thanks.13:22
Sysi10.10 support at ubuntu+1 :P13:22
j1mcwill that command "stick" across sessions, or do i need to set a config somewhere?13:22
Sysi~/.bashrc13:22
j1mcSysi: thanks muchly13:23
Sysinp13:23
j1mcso, i could just add that line to my .bashrc?13:23
j1mcanywhere in the file?13:23
Mark76That's weird. I had no problems launching irssi in xfce terminal so far13:24
Sysi10.10..13:24
Sysibug has been filed13:24
j1mcSysi: thanks13:24
Mark76Ah. 10.0413:24
j1mccharlie-tca: good morning.  you are up early.13:26
charlie-tcaj1mc: Good Morning13:26
charlie-tcaTrying to get everything in place for 10.10 release!13:26
charlie-tcaWhat a fun time this has been.13:27
j1mccharlie-tca: i think you're a great project lead.13:28
j1mcand 10.10 looks great13:28
charlie-tcaThanks! We will see what this does yet, though. My docs are still behind, but we are working on it.13:29
j1mcyes, there is a new person on the doc team who is contributing a lot for the natty branch already.13:30
charlie-tcaYes, I know. Hopefully, we will get up to date for Natty, and then push backwards13:30
Mark76Did they change the way Xfwm handles titlebar transparency? The active window title seems less faded than usual13:32
j1mcbrb, all... switching from xterm back to the lovely xfce4-terminal13:36
Mark76Are you using xfce4 terminal?13:41
j1mcyes13:43
Mark76And irssi?13:43
j1mc: )13:43
Mark76Cool. Your problem is solved13:44
Mark76SIESTA!13:44
j1mcyup - appears to be13:44
Mark76Uh oh13:45
Mark76Midori renders the Guardian terribly14:14
Mark76http://imagebin.org/11773214:16
j1mcouch14:18
Mark76Exactly14:19
charlie-tcaDoes that site work well with firefox?14:20
Mark76Hang on14:20
charlie-tcaIt looks like one of those "microsoft expected here" sites, maybe?14:20
Mark76Yep. It's fine in Firefox14:22
Mark76http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/09/merlin-single-father-louis-theroux-weekends-tv-highlights14:22
Mark76Try it for yourself14:22
Mark76Seamonkey too14:23
charlie-tcagranted, that does look better14:23
Mark76It's a webkit thing14:24
Mark76Doesn't render properly in Epiphany either14:24
charlie-tcaOTOH, that is why we keep telling people Midori is not quite ready to replace firefox14:24
Mark76Webkit needs work14:24
Mark76It's a pity Kazhakase is so unstable/died on its arse14:25
Mark76That gave you a choice of rendering engines14:25
charlie-tcaMidori renders that page equal to firefox here14:27
j1mcit rendered that page just fine for me, too.14:28
j1mchttp://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4826/screenielk.png14:28
j1mcenter "dpkg -l midori" and let us know the version.14:28
j1mcmaybe charlie-tca and i just have newer versions14:28
charlie-tca0.2.2 here14:29
charlie-tcabut I do run the webkit ppa too14:29
j1mc0.2.4-3 here14:29
j1mccharlie-tca: are you still on 10.04?  :)14:29
Mark76It's 0.2.814:29
charlie-tcaOn this system14:29
j1mcah14:30
charlie-tcaI have a 64bit with maverick14:30
charlie-tcaI run the development versions starting at alpha2 on my other system14:30
Mark76Midori has no way of sorting the bookmarks14:32
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slow-motionhi19:21
KurdistanI guys20:51
Kurdistanwere can I see release notes for xubuntu maverick?20:51
Kurdistanwill xubuntu maverick be faster then xubuntu lucid?20:52
charlie-tcaRelease notes will be available when maverick is released20:52
Kurdistancharlie-tca will xubuntu maverick have less gnome dependencies?20:53
charlie-tcavery few less.20:53
charlie-tcaWe have to keep some to have help keeping everything up to date.20:53
Kurdistancharlie-tca can it compare to lubuntu in boot-time and lightness?20:53
charlie-tcaI have no idea how it compares to lubuntu. I do not use lubuntu20:54
Kurdistanokey but it must be faster then ubuntu/gnome? :)20:54
KurdistanI tried xubuntu 10.04 ones and loved the control center20:55
charlie-tcayes, depending on the actual hardware used20:55
Kurdistanhave the xfce control center changed?20:55
charlie-tcano20:55
Kurdistanokey20:56
Kurdistan:) I dont if I will install lubuntu 10.10 or xubuntu 10.1020:56
Kurdistanhehe20:56
Kurdistancharlie-tca if I have nvidia drivers which one do you think is best nvidia-current or nvidia-current-modaliases?20:58
Kurdistanand why is the closed nvidia driver slower then open?20:59
charlie-tcausually one is recommended over the others in hardware drivers.20:59
Sysiin what way slower?20:59
Sysiand how old nvidia20:59
KurdistanSysi, the boot-time is faster with open nvidia then with closed21:00
Sysibecause propiatary is random binary blob21:00
Kurdistancharlie-tca I dont understand. becuase I think madaliases is recommended21:01
charlie-tcaI don't know. I have never had it recommend -modaliases21:02
Kurdistancharlie-tca okey21:02
Kurdistancharlie-tca I had before when I tried xubuntu out problem with some delaying applet21:05
Kurdistanlike connection21:06
KurdistanI came to desktop from upstart quik21:06
Kurdistanbetter time then ubuntu21:06
Kurdistanbut the connection applet was took time21:06
Kurdistancharlie-tca is it any fan-speed applet in xubuntu like in ubuntu?21:07
Kurdistancpu-scaling21:07
charlie-tcaI don't know21:07
charlie-tcaYou can use the one from Ubuntu, though21:08
Kurdistancharlie-tca can I really use cpu-scaling from ubuntu21:11
Kurdistanhow?21:11
charlie-tcajsutt isntall the application21:11
charlie-tcas/jsutt/just21:12
Kurdistannow I dont understand21:12
Kurdistansorry21:12
charlie-tcaheh21:12
charlie-tcajust need to install the application used by ubuntu21:13
Kurdistanokey I see21:14
slow-motionwill xubuntu released tomorrow too?21:19
j1mcslow-motion: yup21:19
slow-motioni tried the 10.04 from lubuntu and use now xubuntu 10.04. I'm thinking about changing to lubuntu again21:20
j1mci haven't tried lubuntu21:25
slow-motioni tried it, because i had only an old 800mhz computer21:28
SysiRAM is more important21:29
charlie-tcaI burned out the motherboard in my PIII, 866MHz21:29
Sysiand application21:29
slow-motioni had around 600mb of ram in it21:32
slow-motionbut some parts on the motherboard are at the end of their lifespan and so i bought a notebook21:36
charlie-tcaI have parts, but no motherboard21:37
charlie-tcaDo you want them?21:37
slow-motionno. i dont need them anymore21:38
jrmyok i have cd-rw's what do i use to burn the image onto the disc with ubuntu?21:39
charlie-tcaWhich version?21:39
charlie-tca10.04 uses brasero, but you can install xfburn and use it instead.21:40
jrmy10.04 for the computer with the burner 10.04 is the xubuntu version21:40
jrmythat i plan to put on eth disc21:40
jrmythe*21:40
charlie-tca10.10 will use xfburn, brasero will not be installed21:40
charlie-tcabrasero should be the default in 10.0421:40
jrmyso use brasero?21:40
charlie-tcayes21:40
jrmyok21:41
jrmydoes burning an image onto a cd-rw make it so i cant rewrite the disc?21:41
charlie-tcahmm, not supposed to21:41
charlie-tcabut sometimes brasero has issues re-using the cd-rw21:41
jrmyi dont quite understand writing and rewriting discs21:41
jrmyis there another burning program that doesnt have problems?21:42
charlie-tcaAnybody know how xfburn is when using cd-rw's?21:42
jrmyas long as i can use the disc again it doesnt quite matter21:42
jrmycause if the disc dosent write correctly the first time i can just rewrite it21:43
jrmysure is quite today21:45
jrmy!k3b21:46
ubottuk3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto21:46
jrmyis 4.0-4.2x a good speed to burn xubuntu to disc?22:08
jrmythis is what brasero is burning at22:08
charlie-tcasure22:09
jrmyapparently 3x is good for burning an image on dvd22:10
jrmyive heard lower is better but.. yeah22:10
charlie-tcapersonally, I prefer any speed that actually works, compared to really fast burned coaster22:10
jrmyimo fast burning speeds are pointless22:11
jrmyunless we perfect burning with a laser on whatever material it is with the disc then yeah, pointless22:12
jrmysure as hell cant put perfect copies of games on disc at high speeds22:12
jrmyhow long till 10.04 is no longer supported?22:16
charlie-tca2 1/2 years22:17
jrmythats pretty good22:17
jrmytheres probably not to much difference between 10.10 and 10.04 though22:17
charlie-tca10.04 is an LTS release, normal releases are supported for 18 months22:17
jrmy!LTS22:18
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)22:18
jrmyah.. i never knew what LTS meant22:18
knomejrmy, you can also search the bot in query22:18
jrmydefinition of query?22:18
knomejrmy, /query ubottu22:19
jrmyok, thanks22:19
knomenp22:19
hydroziihello does anybody know how i can edit my zune's  music from buntu?22:23
hydroziior can someone lead me to a related channel or something?22:24
jrmyhow do i connect to another computer with linux on my network?22:25
j1mchydrozii: i've just done some initial google-ing, but i don't see any signs that indicate there is zune support on ubuntu22:29
j1mcjrmy: there is an app on xubuntu called Gigolo... it is used for mounting network shares.22:29
charlie-tcaPlease make sure gvfs is installed before using it22:30
jrmygvfs?22:31
Sysigvfs22:31
charlie-tcagetting the name22:31
jrmythe bot doesnt know22:31
hydroziiyah ive done some google-ing too.... but in banshee i can see my zune....22:31
hydroziii just cant see the music in it or add music or anything22:32
charlie-tcagvfs-fuse must be installed for gigolo to work right22:32
hydroziii guess ill have to make an xp vm and install zune software on it22:32
j1mchydrozii: that sounds about right.  and banshee or rhythmbox would probably be your best bets for accessing zunes and ipods22:32
hydroziiyah well i was just hoping  maybe someone else had already edited their zune's music in banshee... and could tell me exactly how they did it22:33
jrmywhat if im connecting to a computer with ubuntu 10.04?22:33
charlie-tcaIf it doesn't work install "gvfs-fuse"22:33
jrmywell im not sure how to use gigolo in the first place22:34
jrmywindows made it rather easy to connect to another computer22:34
charlie-tca!gigolo22:35
charlie-tcaoops, broke it?22:35
jrmyi think i might have22:35
jrmyidk22:35
j1mcjrmy: what type of server is it?22:35
j1mca windows computer?22:35
jrmyno ubuntu 10.0422:36
jrmyi dont get networking.. i didnt know a computer would be called a server22:36
j1mcjrmy: sorry, it doesn't need to be a server22:37
j1mchttp://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/share-files-between-2-ubuntu-computers/22:37
j1mcthat gives some decent info.22:37
j1mcyou can get your ip just by typing "ifconfig" at a command terminal22:38
j1mcit will look like, "inet addr:192.168.1.76"22:38
Sysithey must be behind same NAT, but they usually are22:39
jrmywell i have a netgear N router22:39
jrmyand btw the site you gave me has instruction for 8.x versions of ubuntu22:41
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Sysissh have existed longer than ubuntu, and i still use it :P22:42
charlie-tcaNormally, it will work for later versions, too. It just may not be good for old versions.22:42
knomeSysi, REALLY?! you're so prehistoric22:42
jrmyok so which of the 2 do i use on both computers?22:42
jrmyand will it work on the xubuntu one?22:43
charlie-tcassh on both systems, ssh-server on the one you want to talk to22:43
jrmyok ive got it working22:54
jrmythanks22:54
Hezycharlie-tca: what about xubuntu to windows 7?23:01
charlie-tcashould still be gigolo23:02
charlie-tcaotherwise, you can use samba23:02
Hezyhow do i config gigolo? never tried it23:02
charlie-tcaI don't have windows23:03
Hezyyou're a luck man (woman?)23:04
jrmyprobably isnt hard23:04
Hezylucky23:04
charlie-tcano luck to it. I just don't pay23:04
jrmynow to see if my xubuntu disc works :]23:05
Hezyyes, I'm with you. my girlfriend has a dell netbook with windows 7.23:06
jrmyi wonder if my friend would like xubuntu23:08
charlie-tcaMost people can't tell you the difference, except the name sounds different, therefore it is23:08
charlie-tcaand, "everybody" says you have to have windows, too23:09
jrmyi know the difference in speed on low mem computers23:09
jrmyspeed is essential so me23:09
jrmyto*23:09
jrmyxp pro seems to run well on low memory23:10
jrmyfrom my few years of use23:10
Sysii just need to say, i really hate xp23:10
Sysi7 so much better, and still not very good23:11
jrmyi find it easier to do networking on xp versus 723:11
jrmyespecially bridging a connection23:11
jrmyanyways23:12
jrmythis is rather off topic23:12
jrmyoh and my xubuntu disc seems to work just fine.. oh and when it tests the disc for defect does it connect to the internet?23:13
charlie-tcaIt has to compare what is on the disc to the checksums23:13
charlie-tcabut I don't think it needs a connection23:14
jrmyno i meant when you check it whilst in the grub menu or whatever when the disc boots23:14
* charlie-tca knows his doesn't, because he uses static IP and it doesn't get an ip address to do the checks23:14
charlie-tcaShould not need a connection unless you tell it to update during the installation23:15
jrmyshould it take a long time for it to load the "try before installing"?23:16
charlie-tcayup23:16
jrmyk23:16
charlie-tcaI have waited up to 9 minutes here, depending on the system and ram23:17
jrmywow23:17
jrmywell this one has a 900MHz processor and 256MB of ram23:17
jrmyjust finished loading23:17
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jrmyhow much difference is there between installing xubuntu from disc and installing it with another version of ubuntu with terminal?23:27
charlie-tcaA lot of extra files23:28
jrmywhich has extra?23:28
charlie-tcaProbably close to 123:28
charlie-tca1GB23:28
charlie-tcaubuntu23:28
jrmyso installing with disc is better?23:28
charlie-tcawell, at least is smaller23:29
jrmywhats ubuntu's best use?23:30
charlie-tcaNew users from Windows23:30
jrmywell then i guess i made a good choice23:31
charlie-tcaand those who have used Gnome and like it23:31
jrmyare older versions of xubuntu smaller?23:33
charlie-tcaNot since way back23:34
charlie-tca8.04 is, but then it started growing23:34
charlie-tcaI think 10.04 and 10.10 went down again23:34
jrmywell it would be nice if future versions can still fit a cd23:35
charlie-tcaWe always have fit on cd23:35
Sysiwith marginal23:36
charlie-tcaunder 700MB23:40
kirillhello there23:40
charlie-tca!hi | kirill23:40
ubottukirill: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!23:40
kirillsomebody can help me, i m newb in linux23:40
charlie-tca!help23:41
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)23:41
kirillsorry23:41
jrmyi just now got that dont ask to ask a question23:41
jrmyfail23:41
jrmylol23:41
charlie-tcaIt is really impossible to help until the issue is known23:42
jrmyyezzir23:42
kirilli have ubuntu and install drivers for my video, but when i try xubuntu then i cant install drivers cose when i write make i ot errors23:42
kirillhow i can install make tools in xubuntu23:42
charlie-tcaWhy not just use hardware drivers to install them23:43
charlie-tcaApplications -> System -> Hardware drivers23:43
kirillbut when i write - make - i got error23:43
charlie-tcaYou shouldn't need to write - make23:43
kirillno i can download drivers and install it by myself23:43
kirillcos i have - via chrome video23:44
charlie-tcaThen you probably have to check the website you got them from to see what is wrong23:44
kirillye i got it from viaarena23:44
kirillthen i try to install23:44
kirillin ubuntu all ok i make it and use23:44
kirillin xubuntu i cant make it23:45
kirillbut ubuntu very slov on my pc i need xubuntu to use23:45
jrmyi had this problem with speed23:45
kirillso why there in xubuntu is absent utilites to make23:46
charlie-tcaWe don't pre-install what is not needed by most users23:46
kirillbut how i can instll make utilites from internet23:47
kirilli reinstall build essential but it dont help me23:47
charlie-tcaYou should not be installing from anything but official repositories. If you are installing utilities from outside those, I don't know23:47
kirillbut i got drivers from official via arena support portal23:48
charlie-tcaThen they should have something tells you what to install to make it work23:49
kirillwhy u dont take this drivers to oficial repositories?23:49
kirillbut on ubuntu all ok23:49
kirillthis problem only on xubuntu23:49
kirilli dont thin thats in via they knew what wrong cose they support only ubuntu officialy23:50
charlie-tcaDid you look in hardware drivers for the video driver?23:51
kirillyes there i found zero23:51
kirillnodrivers23:52
kirilli dont wont to use opechrome23:52
kirillits very slv23:52
kirillwhy i cant use normal drivers for ubutu in xubuntu23:53
charlie-tcaI don't know23:53
kirilli just need to make it and make install23:53
kirillhats all23:53
charlie-tcaPerhaps they were written to work in Gnome, and not in Xfce?23:53
kirilloooooooooooooo23:53
kirillmay be23:53
kirillthis is terrible situation23:54
kirill try xlde and got alse this errors23:54
charlie-tcaAgain, you would have to discuss it with the driver people23:54
kirillvia support very very bad23:54
kirillare there a channel with drivers support in this irc?23:55
charlie-tcaheh, I don't seem to be much help for you either. I am sorry23:55
kirillok senk u23:55
charlie-tcaMaybe #ubuntu-x23:56
charlie-tcaThose are the video people23:56
kirilltheks i try it now23:56
charlie-tcaGood luck23:57

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