[06:17] i'm trying to figure out why my bitlebee service is started twice, but i'm pretty green about the services etc.. [07:41] * balsaq listens as a single dew drop falls from the vines and lands on the ground in the peaceful digital rainforest known as.....xubuntu! [07:47] i recently used xubuntu to rescue an infested windows HD. what an experience...buntu rules it seems some of the files are unreadable...coded. not many. is that becasue of ntsf vs ext3? [07:48] because* [07:52] was it file name or contents you couldn't read? [07:53] contents [07:54] prob some form of ms formatting on them - you could check what linux sees them as with the file command [07:54] the file had it normal name, i clicked and dragged them from the infected windows computer to the xubuntu desktop, then i burned them to cd. after burning the cd i pulled up the files to see if the are readable. most are..could even view the pics....a few are coded. [07:55] but regardless it looks like xubuntu saved 95% [07:56] i suppose a guy could use buntu to kil virus in windows HD too [07:57] imagine buntu saving windows haha [07:57] there is antivirus apps in the repos [07:57] to run on windows files [07:57] or shared files [07:57] i installed it but it wont run [07:57] clam [07:57] k [07:58] not sure how to use it but when i installed clam it installed a lot of files [07:58] so i clicked on run AV but i cant see anything happeneing [07:58] I've never needed it... [07:58] well idont for buntu [07:58] but it would be useful to clean the HD i mounted under the buntu drive [07:58] no windows in my home [07:59] it would [07:59] windows is so fragile [07:59] someone in #ubuntu might have a clue on clamav [07:59] when i installed ubuntu 1004 i hooked up my printer and it worked with no drivers added [07:59] Ubuntu bug 1004 in Baz (deprecated) "UI request: baz mkdir" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004 [08:00] bug? [08:00] wut [08:00] it was cause you said 1004 [08:00] i had some bugs so i reinstalled it too ext3 and have had no issues [08:01] at 1st it seemed to leak memory or something [08:03] i was trying to get help on clamav in ubuntu the other day and it was really a pain...they seemed stressed out. [08:03] heh they can at times seem that way [08:04] they seem to prefer to help experts rather than aspiring techs [08:04] maybe noone there at the time had used it [08:04] but i can se the day where windows will not be worth money anymore....at least not too me. [08:05] I haven't used it since 2003 [08:05] i like windows for fun, but the money they want is silly. [08:05] that os is silly imo [08:06] all my computers al dual boot now [08:06] so bloated [08:06] i like w2000 pro a lot [08:06] nice lil one [08:06] reminds me xubuntu lean and mean [10:24] hello people i wanted to know where does the NetworkManager Applet store the wpa2 encryption configuration [10:24] ?? [10:35] there should be a Network Manager icon in the GNOME panel, which looks like a couple of dots. Right click the Network Manager icon to enable the network [12:00] I have a problem with xubuntu inside a virtualbox. Everything was going fine, then one day I was running aptitude inside xubuntu and I was installing some packages, then I had a problem with my host os and I needed to do a ctrl-alt-bksp .... Now when I try to boot xubuntu in the virutal box I get to the login screen, I enter my details, and the screen flashes a couple of times before returning me to the login screen. Any ideas? It seems [12:00] that xorg is not starting properly... or fails soon after starting... [12:19] blew out the bootloader [12:19] reinstall grub [12:21] Try using this option in the "Device" section of xorg.conf === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [13:20] hey all - is anyone using xfce4-terminal for irssi? [13:20] when i try to launch irssi from the terminal, i get .... [13:20] TERM environment not set [13:21] Hang on [13:21] Can't initialize screen handling, quitting [13:21] You can still use the dummy mode with -d parameter [13:21] export TERM=xterm [13:21] iirc [13:22] Sysi: that did it. Thanks. [13:22] 10.10 support at ubuntu+1 :P [13:22] will that command "stick" across sessions, or do i need to set a config somewhere? [13:22] ~/.bashrc [13:23] Sysi: thanks muchly [13:23] np [13:23] so, i could just add that line to my .bashrc? [13:23] anywhere in the file? [13:24] That's weird. I had no problems launching irssi in xfce terminal so far [13:24] 10.10.. [13:24] bug has been filed [13:24] Sysi: thanks [13:24] Ah. 10.04 [13:26] charlie-tca: good morning. you are up early. [13:26] j1mc: Good Morning [13:26] Trying to get everything in place for 10.10 release! [13:27] What a fun time this has been. [13:28] charlie-tca: i think you're a great project lead. [13:28] and 10.10 looks great [13:29] Thanks! We will see what this does yet, though. My docs are still behind, but we are working on it. [13:30] yes, there is a new person on the doc team who is contributing a lot for the natty branch already. [13:30] Yes, I know. Hopefully, we will get up to date for Natty, and then push backwards [13:32] Did they change the way Xfwm handles titlebar transparency? The active window title seems less faded than usual [13:36] brb, all... switching from xterm back to the lovely xfce4-terminal [13:41] Are you using xfce4 terminal? [13:43] yes [13:43] And irssi? [13:43] : ) [13:44] Cool. Your problem is solved [13:44] SIESTA! [13:44] yup - appears to be [13:45] Uh oh [14:14] Midori renders the Guardian terribly [14:16] http://imagebin.org/117732 [14:18] ouch [14:19] Exactly [14:20] Does that site work well with firefox? [14:20] Hang on [14:20] It looks like one of those "microsoft expected here" sites, maybe? [14:22] Yep. It's fine in Firefox [14:22] http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/09/merlin-single-father-louis-theroux-weekends-tv-highlights [14:22] Try it for yourself [14:23] Seamonkey too [14:23] granted, that does look better [14:24] It's a webkit thing [14:24] Doesn't render properly in Epiphany either [14:24] OTOH, that is why we keep telling people Midori is not quite ready to replace firefox [14:24] Webkit needs work [14:25] It's a pity Kazhakase is so unstable/died on its arse [14:25] That gave you a choice of rendering engines [14:27] Midori renders that page equal to firefox here [14:28] it rendered that page just fine for me, too. [14:28] http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4826/screenielk.png [14:28] enter "dpkg -l midori" and let us know the version. [14:28] maybe charlie-tca and i just have newer versions [14:29] 0.2.2 here [14:29] but I do run the webkit ppa too [14:29] 0.2.4-3 here [14:29] charlie-tca: are you still on 10.04? :) [14:29] It's 0.2.8 [14:29] On this system [14:30] ah [14:30] I have a 64bit with maverick [14:30] I run the development versions starting at alpha2 on my other system [14:32] Midori has no way of sorting the bookmarks === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [19:21] hi [20:51] I guys [20:51] were can I see release notes for xubuntu maverick? [20:52] will xubuntu maverick be faster then xubuntu lucid? [20:52] Release notes will be available when maverick is released [20:53] charlie-tca will xubuntu maverick have less gnome dependencies? [20:53] very few less. [20:53] We have to keep some to have help keeping everything up to date. [20:53] charlie-tca can it compare to lubuntu in boot-time and lightness? [20:54] I have no idea how it compares to lubuntu. I do not use lubuntu [20:54] okey but it must be faster then ubuntu/gnome? :) [20:55] I tried xubuntu 10.04 ones and loved the control center [20:55] yes, depending on the actual hardware used [20:55] have the xfce control center changed? [20:55] no [20:56] okey [20:56] :) I dont if I will install lubuntu 10.10 or xubuntu 10.10 [20:56] hehe [20:58] charlie-tca if I have nvidia drivers which one do you think is best nvidia-current or nvidia-current-modaliases? [20:59] and why is the closed nvidia driver slower then open? [20:59] usually one is recommended over the others in hardware drivers. [20:59] in what way slower? [20:59] and how old nvidia [21:00] Sysi, the boot-time is faster with open nvidia then with closed [21:00] because propiatary is random binary blob [21:01] charlie-tca I dont understand. becuase I think madaliases is recommended [21:02] I don't know. I have never had it recommend -modaliases [21:02] charlie-tca okey [21:05] charlie-tca I had before when I tried xubuntu out problem with some delaying applet [21:06] like connection [21:06] I came to desktop from upstart quik [21:06] better time then ubuntu [21:06] but the connection applet was took time [21:07] charlie-tca is it any fan-speed applet in xubuntu like in ubuntu? [21:07] cpu-scaling [21:07] I don't know [21:08] You can use the one from Ubuntu, though [21:11] charlie-tca can I really use cpu-scaling from ubuntu [21:11] how? [21:11] jsutt isntall the application [21:12] s/jsutt/just [21:12] now I dont understand [21:12] sorry [21:12] heh [21:13] just need to install the application used by ubuntu [21:14] okey I see [21:19] will xubuntu released tomorrow too? [21:19] slow-motion: yup [21:20] i tried the 10.04 from lubuntu and use now xubuntu 10.04. I'm thinking about changing to lubuntu again [21:25] i haven't tried lubuntu [21:28] i tried it, because i had only an old 800mhz computer [21:29] RAM is more important [21:29] I burned out the motherboard in my PIII, 866MHz [21:29] and application [21:32] i had around 600mb of ram in it [21:36] but some parts on the motherboard are at the end of their lifespan and so i bought a notebook [21:37] I have parts, but no motherboard [21:37] Do you want them? [21:38] no. i dont need them anymore [21:39] ok i have cd-rw's what do i use to burn the image onto the disc with ubuntu? [21:39] Which version? [21:40] 10.04 uses brasero, but you can install xfburn and use it instead. [21:40] 10.04 for the computer with the burner 10.04 is the xubuntu version [21:40] that i plan to put on eth disc [21:40] the* [21:40] 10.10 will use xfburn, brasero will not be installed [21:40] brasero should be the default in 10.04 [21:40] so use brasero? [21:40] yes [21:41] ok [21:41] does burning an image onto a cd-rw make it so i cant rewrite the disc? [21:41] hmm, not supposed to [21:41] but sometimes brasero has issues re-using the cd-rw [21:41] i dont quite understand writing and rewriting discs [21:42] is there another burning program that doesnt have problems? [21:42] Anybody know how xfburn is when using cd-rw's? [21:42] as long as i can use the disc again it doesnt quite matter [21:43] cause if the disc dosent write correctly the first time i can just rewrite it [21:45] sure is quite today [21:46] !k3b [21:46] k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto [22:08] is 4.0-4.2x a good speed to burn xubuntu to disc? [22:08] this is what brasero is burning at [22:09] sure [22:10] apparently 3x is good for burning an image on dvd [22:10] ive heard lower is better but.. yeah [22:10] personally, I prefer any speed that actually works, compared to really fast burned coaster [22:11] imo fast burning speeds are pointless [22:12] unless we perfect burning with a laser on whatever material it is with the disc then yeah, pointless [22:12] sure as hell cant put perfect copies of games on disc at high speeds [22:16] how long till 10.04 is no longer supported? [22:17] 2 1/2 years [22:17] thats pretty good [22:17] theres probably not to much difference between 10.10 and 10.04 though [22:17] 10.04 is an LTS release, normal releases are supported for 18 months [22:18] !LTS [22:18] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [22:18] ah.. i never knew what LTS meant [22:18] jrmy, you can also search the bot in query [22:18] definition of query? [22:19] jrmy, /query ubottu [22:19] ok, thanks [22:19] np [22:23] hello does anybody know how i can edit my zune's music from buntu? [22:24] or can someone lead me to a related channel or something? [22:25] how do i connect to another computer with linux on my network? [22:29] hydrozii: i've just done some initial google-ing, but i don't see any signs that indicate there is zune support on ubuntu [22:29] jrmy: there is an app on xubuntu called Gigolo... it is used for mounting network shares. [22:30] Please make sure gvfs is installed before using it [22:31] gvfs? [22:31] gvfs [22:31] getting the name [22:31] the bot doesnt know [22:31] yah ive done some google-ing too.... but in banshee i can see my zune.... [22:32] i just cant see the music in it or add music or anything [22:32] gvfs-fuse must be installed for gigolo to work right [22:32] i guess ill have to make an xp vm and install zune software on it [22:32] hydrozii: that sounds about right. and banshee or rhythmbox would probably be your best bets for accessing zunes and ipods [22:33] yah well i was just hoping maybe someone else had already edited their zune's music in banshee... and could tell me exactly how they did it [22:33] what if im connecting to a computer with ubuntu 10.04? [22:33] If it doesn't work install "gvfs-fuse" [22:34] well im not sure how to use gigolo in the first place [22:34] windows made it rather easy to connect to another computer [22:35] !gigolo [22:35] oops, broke it? [22:35] i think i might have [22:35] idk [22:35] jrmy: what type of server is it? [22:35] a windows computer? [22:36] no ubuntu 10.04 [22:36] i dont get networking.. i didnt know a computer would be called a server [22:37] jrmy: sorry, it doesn't need to be a server [22:37] http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/share-files-between-2-ubuntu-computers/ [22:37] that gives some decent info. [22:38] you can get your ip just by typing "ifconfig" at a command terminal [22:38] it will look like, "inet addr:192.168.1.76" [22:39] they must be behind same NAT, but they usually are [22:39] well i have a netgear N router [22:41] and btw the site you gave me has instruction for 8.x versions of ubuntu === Evixion` is now known as Evixion [22:42] ssh have existed longer than ubuntu, and i still use it :P [22:42] Normally, it will work for later versions, too. It just may not be good for old versions. [22:42] Sysi, REALLY?! you're so prehistoric [22:42] ok so which of the 2 do i use on both computers? [22:43] and will it work on the xubuntu one? [22:43] ssh on both systems, ssh-server on the one you want to talk to [22:54] ok ive got it working [22:54] thanks [23:01] charlie-tca: what about xubuntu to windows 7? [23:02] should still be gigolo [23:02] otherwise, you can use samba [23:02] how do i config gigolo? never tried it [23:03] I don't have windows [23:04] you're a luck man (woman?) [23:04] probably isnt hard [23:04] lucky [23:04] no luck to it. I just don't pay [23:05] now to see if my xubuntu disc works :] [23:06] yes, I'm with you. my girlfriend has a dell netbook with windows 7. [23:08] i wonder if my friend would like xubuntu [23:08] Most people can't tell you the difference, except the name sounds different, therefore it is [23:09] and, "everybody" says you have to have windows, too [23:09] i know the difference in speed on low mem computers [23:09] speed is essential so me [23:09] to* [23:10] xp pro seems to run well on low memory [23:10] from my few years of use [23:10] i just need to say, i really hate xp [23:11] 7 so much better, and still not very good [23:11] i find it easier to do networking on xp versus 7 [23:11] especially bridging a connection [23:12] anyways [23:12] this is rather off topic [23:13] oh and my xubuntu disc seems to work just fine.. oh and when it tests the disc for defect does it connect to the internet? [23:13] It has to compare what is on the disc to the checksums [23:14] but I don't think it needs a connection [23:14] no i meant when you check it whilst in the grub menu or whatever when the disc boots [23:14] * charlie-tca knows his doesn't, because he uses static IP and it doesn't get an ip address to do the checks [23:15] Should not need a connection unless you tell it to update during the installation [23:16] should it take a long time for it to load the "try before installing"? [23:16] yup [23:16] k [23:17] I have waited up to 9 minutes here, depending on the system and ram [23:17] wow [23:17] well this one has a 900MHz processor and 256MB of ram [23:17] just finished loading === IdleOne is now known as MaverickOne [23:27] how much difference is there between installing xubuntu from disc and installing it with another version of ubuntu with terminal? [23:28] A lot of extra files [23:28] which has extra? [23:28] Probably close to 1 [23:28] 1GB [23:28] ubuntu [23:28] so installing with disc is better? [23:29] well, at least is smaller [23:30] whats ubuntu's best use? [23:30] New users from Windows [23:31] well then i guess i made a good choice [23:31] and those who have used Gnome and like it [23:33] are older versions of xubuntu smaller? [23:34] Not since way back [23:34] 8.04 is, but then it started growing [23:34] I think 10.04 and 10.10 went down again [23:35] well it would be nice if future versions can still fit a cd [23:35] We always have fit on cd [23:36] with marginal [23:40] under 700MB [23:40] hello there [23:40] !hi | kirill [23:40] kirill: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [23:40] somebody can help me, i m newb in linux [23:41] !help [23:41] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [23:41] sorry [23:41] i just now got that dont ask to ask a question [23:41] fail [23:41] lol [23:42] It is really impossible to help until the issue is known [23:42] yezzir [23:42] i have ubuntu and install drivers for my video, but when i try xubuntu then i cant install drivers cose when i write make i ot errors [23:42] how i can install make tools in xubuntu [23:43] Why not just use hardware drivers to install them [23:43] Applications -> System -> Hardware drivers [23:43] but when i write - make - i got error [23:43] You shouldn't need to write - make [23:43] no i can download drivers and install it by myself [23:44] cos i have - via chrome video [23:44] Then you probably have to check the website you got them from to see what is wrong [23:44] ye i got it from viaarena [23:44] then i try to install [23:44] in ubuntu all ok i make it and use [23:45] in xubuntu i cant make it [23:45] but ubuntu very slov on my pc i need xubuntu to use [23:45] i had this problem with speed [23:46] so why there in xubuntu is absent utilites to make [23:46] We don't pre-install what is not needed by most users [23:47] but how i can instll make utilites from internet [23:47] i reinstall build essential but it dont help me [23:47] You should not be installing from anything but official repositories. If you are installing utilities from outside those, I don't know [23:48] but i got drivers from official via arena support portal [23:49] Then they should have something tells you what to install to make it work [23:49] why u dont take this drivers to oficial repositories? [23:49] but on ubuntu all ok [23:49] this problem only on xubuntu [23:50] i dont thin thats in via they knew what wrong cose they support only ubuntu officialy [23:51] Did you look in hardware drivers for the video driver? [23:51] yes there i found zero [23:52] nodrivers [23:52] i dont wont to use opechrome [23:52] its very slv [23:53] why i cant use normal drivers for ubutu in xubuntu [23:53] I don't know [23:53] i just need to make it and make install [23:53] hats all [23:53] Perhaps they were written to work in Gnome, and not in Xfce? [23:53] oooooooooooooo [23:53] may be [23:54] this is terrible situation [23:54] try xlde and got alse this errors [23:54] Again, you would have to discuss it with the driver people [23:54] via support very very bad [23:55] are there a channel with drivers support in this irc? [23:55] heh, I don't seem to be much help for you either. I am sorry [23:55] ok senk u [23:56] Maybe #ubuntu-x [23:56] Those are the video people [23:56] theks i try it now [23:57] Good luck