[06:17] <htoothrot> i'm trying to figure out why my bitlebee service is started twice, but i'm pretty green about the services etc..
[07:41]  * balsaq listens as a single dew drop falls from the vines and lands on the ground in the peaceful digital rainforest known as.....xubuntu!
[07:47] <balsaq> i recently used xubuntu to rescue an infested windows HD. what an experience...buntu rules it seems some of the files are unreadable...coded. not many. is that becasue of ntsf vs ext3?
[07:48] <balsaq> because*
[07:52] <moetunes> was it file name or contents you couldn't read?
[07:53] <balsaq> contents
[07:54] <moetunes> prob some form of ms formatting on them - you could check what linux sees them as with the   file   command
[07:54] <balsaq> the file had it normal name, i clicked and dragged them from the infected windows computer to the xubuntu desktop, then i burned them to cd. after burning the cd i pulled up the files to see if the are readable. most are..could even view the pics....a few are coded.
[07:55] <balsaq> but regardless it looks like xubuntu saved 95%
[07:56] <balsaq> i suppose a guy could use buntu to kil virus in windows HD too
[07:57] <balsaq> imagine buntu saving windows haha
[07:57] <moetunes> there is antivirus apps in the repos
[07:57] <moetunes> to run on windows files
[07:57] <moetunes> or shared files
[07:57] <balsaq> i installed it but it wont run
[07:57] <balsaq> clam
[07:57] <moetunes> k
[07:58] <balsaq> not sure how to use it but when i installed clam it installed a lot of files
[07:58] <balsaq> so i clicked on run AV but i cant see anything happeneing
[07:58] <moetunes> I've never needed it...
[07:58] <balsaq> well idont for buntu
[07:58] <balsaq> but it would be useful to clean the HD i mounted under the buntu drive
[07:58] <moetunes> no windows in my home
[07:59] <moetunes> it would
[07:59] <balsaq> windows is so fragile
[07:59] <moetunes> someone in #ubuntu might have a clue on clamav
[07:59] <balsaq> when i installed ubuntu 1004 i hooked up my printer and it worked with no drivers added
[08:00] <balsaq> bug?
[08:00] <balsaq> wut
[08:00] <moetunes> it was cause you said 1004
[08:00] <balsaq> i had some bugs so i reinstalled it too ext3 and have had no issues
[08:01] <balsaq> at 1st it seemed to leak memory or something
[08:03] <balsaq> i was trying to get help on clamav in ubuntu the other day and it was really a pain...they seemed stressed out.
[08:03] <moetunes> heh they can at times seem that way
[08:04] <balsaq> they seem to prefer to help experts rather than aspiring techs
[08:04] <moetunes> maybe noone there at the time had used it
[08:04] <balsaq> but i can se the day where windows will not be worth money anymore....at least not too me.
[08:05] <moetunes> I haven't used it since 2003
[08:05] <balsaq> i like windows for fun, but the money they want is silly.
[08:05] <moetunes> that os is silly imo
[08:06] <balsaq> all my computers al dual boot now
[08:06] <moetunes> so bloated
[08:06] <balsaq> i like w2000 pro a lot
[08:06] <balsaq> nice lil one
[08:06] <balsaq> reminds me xubuntu lean and mean
[10:24] <tarek> hello people i wanted to know where does the NetworkManager Applet store the wpa2 encryption configuration
[10:24] <tarek> ??
[10:35] <balsaq>  there should be a Network Manager icon in the GNOME panel, which looks like a couple of dots. Right click the Network Manager icon to enable the network
[12:00] <coolguy4> I have a problem with xubuntu  inside a virtualbox. Everything was going fine, then one day I was running aptitude inside xubuntu and I was installing some packages, then I had a problem with my host os and I needed to do a ctrl-alt-bksp .... Now when I try to boot xubuntu in the virutal box I get to the login screen, I enter my details, and the screen flashes a couple of times before returning me to the login screen. Any ideas? It seems
[12:00] <coolguy4> that xorg is not starting properly... or fails soon after starting...
[12:19] <balsaq> blew out the bootloader
[12:19] <balsaq> reinstall grub
[12:21] <balsaq> Try using this option in the "Device" section of xorg.conf
[13:20] <j1mc> hey all - is anyone using xfce4-terminal for irssi?
[13:20] <j1mc> when i try to launch irssi from the terminal, i get ....
[13:20] <j1mc> TERM environment not set
[13:21] <Mark76> Hang on
[13:21] <j1mc> Can't initialize screen handling, quitting
[13:21] <j1mc> You can still use the dummy mode with -d parameter
[13:21] <Sysi> export TERM=xterm
[13:21] <Sysi> iirc
[13:22] <j1mc> Sysi: that did it.  Thanks.
[13:22] <Sysi> 10.10 support at ubuntu+1 :P
[13:22] <j1mc> will that command "stick" across sessions, or do i need to set a config somewhere?
[13:22] <Sysi> ~/.bashrc
[13:23] <j1mc> Sysi: thanks muchly
[13:23] <Sysi> np
[13:23] <j1mc> so, i could just add that line to my .bashrc?
[13:23] <j1mc> anywhere in the file?
[13:24] <Mark76> That's weird. I had no problems launching irssi in xfce terminal so far
[13:24] <Sysi> 10.10..
[13:24] <Sysi> bug has been filed
[13:24] <j1mc> Sysi: thanks
[13:24] <Mark76> Ah. 10.04
[13:26] <j1mc> charlie-tca: good morning.  you are up early.
[13:26] <charlie-tca> j1mc: Good Morning
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Trying to get everything in place for 10.10 release!
[13:27] <charlie-tca> What a fun time this has been.
[13:28] <j1mc> charlie-tca: i think you're a great project lead.
[13:28] <j1mc> and 10.10 looks great
[13:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks! We will see what this does yet, though. My docs are still behind, but we are working on it.
[13:30] <j1mc> yes, there is a new person on the doc team who is contributing a lot for the natty branch already.
[13:30] <charlie-tca> Yes, I know. Hopefully, we will get up to date for Natty, and then push backwards
[13:32] <Mark76> Did they change the way Xfwm handles titlebar transparency? The active window title seems less faded than usual
[13:36] <j1mc> brb, all... switching from xterm back to the lovely xfce4-terminal
[13:41] <Mark76> Are you using xfce4 terminal?
[13:43] <j1mc> yes
[13:43] <Mark76> And irssi?
[13:43] <j1mc> : )
[13:44] <Mark76> Cool. Your problem is solved
[13:44] <Mark76> SIESTA!
[13:44] <j1mc> yup - appears to be
[13:45] <Mark76> Uh oh
[14:14] <Mark76> Midori renders the Guardian terribly
[14:16] <Mark76> http://imagebin.org/117732
[14:18] <j1mc> ouch
[14:19] <Mark76> Exactly
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Does that site work well with firefox?
[14:20] <Mark76> Hang on
[14:20] <charlie-tca> It looks like one of those "microsoft expected here" sites, maybe?
[14:22] <Mark76> Yep. It's fine in Firefox
[14:22] <Mark76> http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/09/merlin-single-father-louis-theroux-weekends-tv-highlights
[14:22] <Mark76> Try it for yourself
[14:23] <Mark76> Seamonkey too
[14:23] <charlie-tca> granted, that does look better
[14:24] <Mark76> It's a webkit thing
[14:24] <Mark76> Doesn't render properly in Epiphany either
[14:24] <charlie-tca> OTOH, that is why we keep telling people Midori is not quite ready to replace firefox
[14:24] <Mark76> Webkit needs work
[14:25] <Mark76> It's a pity Kazhakase is so unstable/died on its arse
[14:25] <Mark76> That gave you a choice of rendering engines
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Midori renders that page equal to firefox here
[14:28] <j1mc> it rendered that page just fine for me, too.
[14:28] <j1mc> http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4826/screenielk.png
[14:28] <j1mc> enter "dpkg -l midori" and let us know the version.
[14:28] <j1mc> maybe charlie-tca and i just have newer versions
[14:29] <charlie-tca> 0.2.2 here
[14:29] <charlie-tca> but I do run the webkit ppa too
[14:29] <j1mc> 0.2.4-3 here
[14:29] <j1mc> charlie-tca: are you still on 10.04?  :)
[14:29] <Mark76> It's 0.2.8
[14:29] <charlie-tca> On this system
[14:30] <j1mc> ah
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I have a 64bit with maverick
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I run the development versions starting at alpha2 on my other system
[14:32] <Mark76> Midori has no way of sorting the bookmarks
[19:21] <slow-motion> hi
[20:51] <Kurdistan> I guys
[20:51] <Kurdistan> were can I see release notes for xubuntu maverick?
[20:52] <Kurdistan> will xubuntu maverick be faster then xubuntu lucid?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Release notes will be available when maverick is released
[20:53] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca will xubuntu maverick have less gnome dependencies?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> very few less.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> We have to keep some to have help keeping everything up to date.
[20:53] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca can it compare to lubuntu in boot-time and lightness?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I have no idea how it compares to lubuntu. I do not use lubuntu
[20:54] <Kurdistan> okey but it must be faster then ubuntu/gnome? :)
[20:55] <Kurdistan> I tried xubuntu 10.04 ones and loved the control center
[20:55] <charlie-tca> yes, depending on the actual hardware used
[20:55] <Kurdistan> have the xfce control center changed?
[20:55] <charlie-tca> no
[20:56] <Kurdistan> okey
[20:56] <Kurdistan> :) I dont if I will install lubuntu 10.10 or xubuntu 10.10
[20:56] <Kurdistan> hehe
[20:58] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca if I have nvidia drivers which one do you think is best nvidia-current or nvidia-current-modaliases?
[20:59] <Kurdistan> and why is the closed nvidia driver slower then open?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> usually one is recommended over the others in hardware drivers.
[20:59] <Sysi> in what way slower?
[20:59] <Sysi> and how old nvidia
[21:00] <Kurdistan> Sysi, the boot-time is faster with open nvidia then with closed
[21:00] <Sysi> because propiatary is random binary blob
[21:01] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I dont understand. becuase I think madaliases is recommended
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I have never had it recommend -modaliases
[21:02] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca okey
[21:05] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I had before when I tried xubuntu out problem with some delaying applet
[21:06] <Kurdistan> like connection
[21:06] <Kurdistan> I came to desktop from upstart quik
[21:06] <Kurdistan> better time then ubuntu
[21:06] <Kurdistan> but the connection applet was took time
[21:07] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca is it any fan-speed applet in xubuntu like in ubuntu?
[21:07] <Kurdistan> cpu-scaling
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[21:08] <charlie-tca> You can use the one from Ubuntu, though
[21:11] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca can I really use cpu-scaling from ubuntu
[21:11] <Kurdistan> how?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> jsutt isntall the application
[21:12] <charlie-tca> s/jsutt/just
[21:12] <Kurdistan> now I dont understand
[21:12] <Kurdistan> sorry
[21:12] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:13] <charlie-tca> just need to install the application used by ubuntu
[21:14] <Kurdistan> okey I see
[21:19] <slow-motion> will xubuntu released tomorrow too?
[21:19] <j1mc> slow-motion: yup
[21:20] <slow-motion> i tried the 10.04 from lubuntu and use now xubuntu 10.04. I'm thinking about changing to lubuntu again
[21:25] <j1mc> i haven't tried lubuntu
[21:28] <slow-motion> i tried it, because i had only an old 800mhz computer
[21:29] <Sysi> RAM is more important
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I burned out the motherboard in my PIII, 866MHz
[21:29] <Sysi> and application
[21:32] <slow-motion> i had around 600mb of ram in it
[21:36] <slow-motion> but some parts on the motherboard are at the end of their lifespan and so i bought a notebook
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I have parts, but no motherboard
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Do you want them?
[21:38] <slow-motion> no. i dont need them anymore
[21:39] <jrmy> ok i have cd-rw's what do i use to burn the image onto the disc with ubuntu?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Which version?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> 10.04 uses brasero, but you can install xfburn and use it instead.
[21:40] <jrmy> 10.04 for the computer with the burner 10.04 is the xubuntu version
[21:40] <jrmy> that i plan to put on eth disc
[21:40] <jrmy> the*
[21:40] <charlie-tca> 10.10 will use xfburn, brasero will not be installed
[21:40] <charlie-tca> brasero should be the default in 10.04
[21:40] <jrmy> so use brasero?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:41] <jrmy> ok
[21:41] <jrmy> does burning an image onto a cd-rw make it so i cant rewrite the disc?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> hmm, not supposed to
[21:41] <charlie-tca> but sometimes brasero has issues re-using the cd-rw
[21:41] <jrmy> i dont quite understand writing and rewriting discs
[21:42] <jrmy> is there another burning program that doesnt have problems?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Anybody know how xfburn is when using cd-rw's?
[21:42] <jrmy> as long as i can use the disc again it doesnt quite matter
[21:43] <jrmy> cause if the disc dosent write correctly the first time i can just rewrite it
[21:45] <jrmy> sure is quite today
[21:46] <jrmy> !k3b
[22:08] <jrmy> is 4.0-4.2x a good speed to burn xubuntu to disc?
[22:08] <jrmy> this is what brasero is burning at
[22:09] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:10] <jrmy> apparently 3x is good for burning an image on dvd
[22:10] <jrmy> ive heard lower is better but.. yeah
[22:10] <charlie-tca> personally, I prefer any speed that actually works, compared to really fast burned coaster
[22:11] <jrmy> imo fast burning speeds are pointless
[22:12] <jrmy> unless we perfect burning with a laser on whatever material it is with the disc then yeah, pointless
[22:12] <jrmy> sure as hell cant put perfect copies of games on disc at high speeds
[22:16] <jrmy> how long till 10.04 is no longer supported?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> 2 1/2 years
[22:17] <jrmy> thats pretty good
[22:17] <jrmy> theres probably not to much difference between 10.10 and 10.04 though
[22:17] <charlie-tca> 10.04 is an LTS release, normal releases are supported for 18 months
[22:18] <jrmy> !LTS
[22:18] <jrmy> ah.. i never knew what LTS meant
[22:18] <knome> jrmy, you can also search the bot in query
[22:18] <jrmy> definition of query?
[22:19] <knome> jrmy, /query ubottu
[22:19] <jrmy> ok, thanks
[22:19] <knome> np
[22:23] <hydrozii> hello does anybody know how i can edit my zune's  music from buntu?
[22:24] <hydrozii> or can someone lead me to a related channel or something?
[22:25] <jrmy> how do i connect to another computer with linux on my network?
[22:29] <j1mc> hydrozii: i've just done some initial google-ing, but i don't see any signs that indicate there is zune support on ubuntu
[22:29] <j1mc> jrmy: there is an app on xubuntu called Gigolo... it is used for mounting network shares.
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Please make sure gvfs is installed before using it
[22:31] <jrmy> gvfs?
[22:31] <Sysi> gvfs
[22:31] <charlie-tca> getting the name
[22:31] <jrmy> the bot doesnt know
[22:31] <hydrozii> yah ive done some google-ing too.... but in banshee i can see my zune....
[22:32] <hydrozii> i just cant see the music in it or add music or anything
[22:32] <charlie-tca> gvfs-fuse must be installed for gigolo to work right
[22:32] <hydrozii> i guess ill have to make an xp vm and install zune software on it
[22:32] <j1mc> hydrozii: that sounds about right.  and banshee or rhythmbox would probably be your best bets for accessing zunes and ipods
[22:33] <hydrozii> yah well i was just hoping  maybe someone else had already edited their zune's music in banshee... and could tell me exactly how they did it
[22:33] <jrmy> what if im connecting to a computer with ubuntu 10.04?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't work install "gvfs-fuse"
[22:34] <jrmy> well im not sure how to use gigolo in the first place
[22:34] <jrmy> windows made it rather easy to connect to another computer
[22:35] <charlie-tca> !gigolo
[22:35] <charlie-tca> oops, broke it?
[22:35] <jrmy> i think i might have
[22:35] <jrmy> idk
[22:35] <j1mc> jrmy: what type of server is it?
[22:35] <j1mc> a windows computer?
[22:36] <jrmy> no ubuntu 10.04
[22:36] <jrmy> i dont get networking.. i didnt know a computer would be called a server
[22:37] <j1mc> jrmy: sorry, it doesn't need to be a server
[22:37] <j1mc> http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/share-files-between-2-ubuntu-computers/
[22:37] <j1mc> that gives some decent info.
[22:38] <j1mc> you can get your ip just by typing "ifconfig" at a command terminal
[22:38] <j1mc> it will look like, "inet addr:192.168.1.76"
[22:39] <Sysi> they must be behind same NAT, but they usually are
[22:39] <jrmy> well i have a netgear N router
[22:41] <jrmy> and btw the site you gave me has instruction for 8.x versions of ubuntu
[22:42] <Sysi> ssh have existed longer than ubuntu, and i still use it :P
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Normally, it will work for later versions, too. It just may not be good for old versions.
[22:42] <knome> Sysi, REALLY?! you're so prehistoric
[22:42] <jrmy> ok so which of the 2 do i use on both computers?
[22:43] <jrmy> and will it work on the xubuntu one?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> ssh on both systems, ssh-server on the one you want to talk to
[22:54] <jrmy> ok ive got it working
[22:54] <jrmy> thanks
[23:01] <Hezy> charlie-tca: what about xubuntu to windows 7?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> should still be gigolo
[23:02] <charlie-tca> otherwise, you can use samba
[23:02] <Hezy> how do i config gigolo? never tried it
[23:03] <charlie-tca> I don't have windows
[23:04] <Hezy> you're a luck man (woman?)
[23:04] <jrmy> probably isnt hard
[23:04] <Hezy> lucky
[23:04] <charlie-tca> no luck to it. I just don't pay
[23:05] <jrmy> now to see if my xubuntu disc works :]
[23:06] <Hezy> yes, I'm with you. my girlfriend has a dell netbook with windows 7.
[23:08] <jrmy> i wonder if my friend would like xubuntu
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Most people can't tell you the difference, except the name sounds different, therefore it is
[23:09] <charlie-tca> and, "everybody" says you have to have windows, too
[23:09] <jrmy> i know the difference in speed on low mem computers
[23:09] <jrmy> speed is essential so me
[23:09] <jrmy> to*
[23:10] <jrmy> xp pro seems to run well on low memory
[23:10] <jrmy> from my few years of use
[23:10] <Sysi> i just need to say, i really hate xp
[23:11] <Sysi> 7 so much better, and still not very good
[23:11] <jrmy> i find it easier to do networking on xp versus 7
[23:11] <jrmy> especially bridging a connection
[23:12] <jrmy> anyways
[23:12] <jrmy> this is rather off topic
[23:13] <jrmy> oh and my xubuntu disc seems to work just fine.. oh and when it tests the disc for defect does it connect to the internet?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> It has to compare what is on the disc to the checksums
[23:14] <charlie-tca> but I don't think it needs a connection
[23:14] <jrmy> no i meant when you check it whilst in the grub menu or whatever when the disc boots
[23:14]  * charlie-tca knows his doesn't, because he uses static IP and it doesn't get an ip address to do the checks
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Should not need a connection unless you tell it to update during the installation
[23:16] <jrmy> should it take a long time for it to load the "try before installing"?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:16] <jrmy> k
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I have waited up to 9 minutes here, depending on the system and ram
[23:17] <jrmy> wow
[23:17] <jrmy> well this one has a 900MHz processor and 256MB of ram
[23:17] <jrmy> just finished loading
[23:27] <jrmy> how much difference is there between installing xubuntu from disc and installing it with another version of ubuntu with terminal?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> A lot of extra files
[23:28] <jrmy> which has extra?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Probably close to 1
[23:28] <charlie-tca> 1GB
[23:28] <charlie-tca> ubuntu
[23:28] <jrmy> so installing with disc is better?
[23:29] <charlie-tca> well, at least is smaller
[23:30] <jrmy> whats ubuntu's best use?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> New users from Windows
[23:31] <jrmy> well then i guess i made a good choice
[23:31] <charlie-tca> and those who have used Gnome and like it
[23:33] <jrmy> are older versions of xubuntu smaller?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Not since way back
[23:34] <charlie-tca> 8.04 is, but then it started growing
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I think 10.04 and 10.10 went down again
[23:35] <jrmy> well it would be nice if future versions can still fit a cd
[23:35] <charlie-tca> We always have fit on cd
[23:36] <Sysi> with marginal
[23:40] <charlie-tca> under 700MB
[23:40] <kirill> hello there
[23:40] <charlie-tca> !hi | kirill
[23:40] <kirill> somebody can help me, i m newb in linux
[23:41] <charlie-tca> !help
[23:41] <kirill> sorry
[23:41] <jrmy> i just now got that dont ask to ask a question
[23:41] <jrmy> fail
[23:41] <jrmy> lol
[23:42] <charlie-tca> It is really impossible to help until the issue is known
[23:42] <jrmy> yezzir
[23:42] <kirill> i have ubuntu and install drivers for my video, but when i try xubuntu then i cant install drivers cose when i write make i ot errors
[23:42] <kirill> how i can install make tools in xubuntu
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Why not just use hardware drivers to install them
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Hardware drivers
[23:43] <kirill> but when i write - make - i got error
[23:43] <charlie-tca> You shouldn't need to write - make
[23:43] <kirill> no i can download drivers and install it by myself
[23:44] <kirill> cos i have - via chrome video
[23:44] <charlie-tca> Then you probably have to check the website you got them from to see what is wrong
[23:44] <kirill> ye i got it from viaarena
[23:44] <kirill> then i try to install
[23:44] <kirill> in ubuntu all ok i make it and use
[23:45] <kirill> in xubuntu i cant make it
[23:45] <kirill> but ubuntu very slov on my pc i need xubuntu to use
[23:45] <jrmy> i had this problem with speed
[23:46] <kirill> so why there in xubuntu is absent utilites to make
[23:46] <charlie-tca> We don't pre-install what is not needed by most users
[23:47] <kirill> but how i can instll make utilites from internet
[23:47] <kirill> i reinstall build essential but it dont help me
[23:47] <charlie-tca> You should not be installing from anything but official repositories. If you are installing utilities from outside those, I don't know
[23:48] <kirill> but i got drivers from official via arena support portal
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Then they should have something tells you what to install to make it work
[23:49] <kirill> why u dont take this drivers to oficial repositories?
[23:49] <kirill> but on ubuntu all ok
[23:49] <kirill> this problem only on xubuntu
[23:50] <kirill> i dont thin thats in via they knew what wrong cose they support only ubuntu officialy
[23:51] <charlie-tca> Did you look in hardware drivers for the video driver?
[23:51] <kirill> yes there i found zero
[23:52] <kirill> nodrivers
[23:52] <kirill> i dont wont to use opechrome
[23:52] <kirill> its very slv
[23:53] <kirill> why i cant use normal drivers for ubutu in xubuntu
[23:53] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[23:53] <kirill> i just need to make it and make install
[23:53] <kirill> hats all
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Perhaps they were written to work in Gnome, and not in Xfce?
[23:53] <kirill> oooooooooooooo
[23:53] <kirill> may be
[23:54] <kirill> this is terrible situation
[23:54] <kirill>  try xlde and got alse this errors
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Again, you would have to discuss it with the driver people
[23:54] <kirill> via support very very bad
[23:55] <kirill> are there a channel with drivers support in this irc?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> heh, I don't seem to be much help for you either. I am sorry
[23:55] <kirill> ok senk u
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Maybe #ubuntu-x
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Those are the video people
[23:56] <kirill> theks i try it now
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Good luck