[00:20] <Riddell> claydoh: ping
[00:20] <Riddell> claydoh: I'm copying the FinalDraft over to kubuntu.org, do let me know what sections you plan to edit still
[00:21] <claydoh> Riddell: good timing, just got home and am working on the last bits notfilled in
[00:22] <claydoh> Riddell: I don't have any text for the kde4.5.1 section yet, and need to copy over text/images and edit the other sections
[00:23] <Riddell> claydoh: thanks, I'll keep a watch for your changes
[00:24]  * claydoh needs to work less hours at work sometimes :)
[00:30] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu now final, proofreading needed
[00:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you want anything in there about conffile prompts?
[00:39] <Riddell> ScottK: depends on how well we got on with these potential fixes
[00:39]  * ScottK nods
[00:47] <Riddell> hmm, spot the mistake on http://www.kubuntu.org/
[00:48]  * Riddell fixes
[00:48] <ScottK> 1 days left is not proper English, but I suspect that's not what you're after.
[00:49] <ScottK> Looks like all the feature tour screen shots are with the old font.
[00:49] <ScottK> The 4.5.2 announcement for 10.10 is sort of correct, but misleading.
[00:50] <Riddell> it did say "out now" instead of "1 days left"
[00:50] <Riddell> better bad grammer than early release announcements
[00:51] <ScottK> Oh.
[00:51] <ScottK> Certainly.
[00:51] <Riddell> awooga!
[00:51] <ScottK> Upgrade fix?
[00:51] <Riddell> XMODIFIERS='@im=unset' fixes the DistUpgrade bug
[00:52] <Riddell> oh
[00:52] <Riddell> no it doesn't
[00:52] <Riddell> it just delays it until you click on the text area
[00:52] <Riddell> fooey
[00:52] <Riddell> ScottK: has your upgrade got to showing the conf change dialogue yet?
[00:53] <ScottK> Didn't get that far yet.
[00:53] <Riddell> guess I'll do a new lucid install and try again with some show/hide of a text area at the start
[00:53] <Riddell> sigh
[00:53] <ScottK> Just started setting up phase.
[00:56] <ScottK> Going to dinner.  Maybe it'll be here when I get back.
[00:56] <Riddell> eat well
[00:57] <phoenix_> -*-
[01:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Works.
[01:04] <Sput> Riddell: well, it certainly is 10/10/10 in south africa already :)
[01:06] <jjesse> its a bit silly watching #ubuntu-release-party
[01:11] <Riddell> ScottK: button successfully disabled?
[01:13] <Riddell> jjesse: occationally one has to mingle with the proletariat
[01:17] <claydoh> Riddell: notes look to be done, I hope - unless there are new Known Issues I have missed
[01:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  It's there, but disabled.
[01:19] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, so we can copy that over to maverick-updates
[01:19] <ScottK> Let me finish the upgrade (close)
[01:20] <Riddell> claydoh: thanks, I'll copy that over to kubuntu.org
[01:20] <claydoh> should i copy the page to Final/Kubuntu, or just redirect ? the ubuntu release notes for Kubuntu point to the FinalDraft page
[01:20]  * claydoh should study all things wiki
[01:21] <claydoh> of course I could just rename it too
[01:23] <ScottK> Rebooting.  Hopefully brb.
[01:26] <Riddell> claydoh: edit the ReleaseNotes wiki page to point to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[01:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Back.  I'm prepared to call it a success.
[01:28] <claydoh> Riddell: the Ubuntu release notes? that page is immutable, will have to contact th author
[01:29] <Riddell> claydoh: try logging in
[01:29] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy
[01:30] <claydoh> Riddell: hah, thought i was
[01:30] <Riddell> claydoh: or use the wiki.kubuntu.org domain
[01:36] <ScottK> Riddell: The Quassel icon doesn't get turned off on upgrades.
[01:37] <claydoh> Riddell: done
[01:45] <Riddell> ScottK: please report dist upgrade test on bug 656876
[01:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Just did it.
[01:46] <ScottK> Also put a pass in for Kubuntu Upgrade i386 on the ISO tracker.
[01:48] <ScottK> The font takes some getting used to.
[02:13] <jjesse> so this new font is default on a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10?
[02:15] <Riddell> yes
[02:15] <Riddell> proofreading needed for those with access https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[02:18] <Riddell> ScottK: my show/hide a text area at the start idea didn't work so I think we'll have to go with no show more for conffile changes
[02:18] <Riddell> I'll add a release note and not to the upgrade page
[02:18] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I think it's reasonable, it just needs a really good release note.
[02:18] <ScottK> OK.
[02:18] <Riddell> s/not/note/
[02:18] <Riddell> annoying that, I expected it to work
[02:19] <Riddell> bloody input methods, nothing but trouble, mumble
[02:31] <Riddell> ScottK: for this release note, how does someone look at the conffile change manually?
[02:32] <Riddell> ah got it, it's called FILE.dpkg-new
[02:33] <ScottK> yes.  then one uses diff ...
[02:37] <Riddell> damn, now I need a screenshot
[02:40] <Riddell> so screenshow of conffile needed, am doing virtual machine upgrade for that
[02:40] <Riddell> also don't have anything to put on the front page banner on kubuntu.org
[02:40] <Riddell> but I'm sure something will turn up
[02:53] <claydoh> is there a particular reason/issue for not having 4.5.2/koffice beta/etc for Lucid?
[02:53] <claydoh> something i can use to respond to the masses when asked
[02:57] <ScottK> claydoh: You mean maverick?
[02:57] <ScottK> 4.5.2 was released after we were in final freeze.
[02:57] <claydoh> besides that :)
[02:57] <ScottK> Oh.  Because 101010 = 42.
[02:58] <claydoh> ok that one works :)
[02:59] <Riddell> claydoh: we're not going to put a beta into the final release
[02:59] <claydoh> no, not having these for lucid
[03:00] <claydoh> "There are no packages planned for Kubuntu 10.04 LTS"
[03:00] <Riddell> oh, no time, busy with the maverick release
[03:01] <Riddell> and if you want the latest software, you should be using the latest release
[03:01] <claydoh> well my guess was correct then :)
[03:01] <claydoh> on both counts
[03:04] <claydoh> you wouldn't belive how many people want to install new software --- without installing new software, if that make any sense
[03:07] <Riddell> yeah I know, more packagers needed
[03:09] <jjesse> does the kde ublog applet actually connect to twittwer on maverick? 
[03:10] <jjesse> oooo a new version of update-manager :)
[03:14] <ScottK> jjesse: It does.
[03:14] <on3_g> Riddell: do u need packagers?
[03:14] <jjesse> ScottK:  it hasn't updated all day for me for some reaosn
[03:14] <ScottK> jjesse: Just did updates to both Twitter and Identi.ca.
[03:17] <Riddell> on3_g: sure, we always need packagers
[03:18] <jjesse> wierd it just updated
[03:18] <jjesse> and started showing my feed
[03:18] <ScottK> jjesse: You just needed to believe.
[03:18] <jjesse> apparently]
[03:19] <on3_g> Riddell: i wanna start to help with packaging
[03:20] <Riddell> on3_g: great
[03:20] <Riddell> on3_g: people would like the koffice beta, kdevelop RC and the whole of KDE SC 4.5.2 backported
[03:20] <Riddell> none of which are easy jobs
[03:20] <Riddell> and I'm afraid I'm zonked and about to go to bed so not able to do any tutoring tonight
[03:20] <Riddell> but do stick around
[03:21] <Riddell> kdevelop RC probably the easiest of those if you want to start and know what you're doing already
[03:28] <on3_g> Riddell: ok i will look for more info and start to work
[04:25] <master> ScottK: so there's no goal to be debian free?
[04:26] <ScottK> master: I don't see a reason to want that.
[04:26] <vorian> as a long term goal
[04:26] <ScottK> No.  It's in our interest not to fork.
[04:26] <vorian> it would be cool to stand on ones own two feet
[04:27] <ScottK> It's cooler to have great stuff to deliver.
[04:27] <vorian> true
[04:27] <vorian> I was seriously posing the question
[04:28] <vorian> There are things about debian, just like ubuntu, I'd like to see go away
[04:28] <ScottK> I don't think inheriting from Debian stops us doing stuff we want to do and we get great benefit from it.
[04:28] <vorian> true
[04:28] <vorian> ok - passing thought thwarted
[04:28] <vorian> thanks for the chat ScottK 
[04:29] <vorian> it is interesting to see there is ZERO difference in the nazi tactics of the ops team
[04:29] <vorian> I thought that was supposed to change
[04:29] <ScottK> vorian: That's not really what this channel is here to discus.
[04:30] <vorian> k
[05:00] <dasKreech> Debian Free?
[05:16] <dasKreech> :-(
[05:16] <dasKreech> http://identi.ca/conversation/54528951#notice-54993851
[08:01] <RoozbehOnline> hi Riddell
[09:10] <ulysses> It's october 10th, 10 hour 10 minutes!
[09:10] <Tm_T> lies
[09:10] <Tm_T> it was 1 hour ago (;)
[09:10] <ulysses> not in Central European Summer Time ;)
[10:17] <Riddell> Kubuntu 10.10 podcast!  http://webbaverse.com/media/kdemu-0x0014
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I really think your capture settings are wrongish ;)
[10:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: if only I knew how to fix them
[10:20] <Riddell> it doesn't help that skype keeps changing the capture volume of my microphone
[10:21] <apachelogger> well, that is just fine, I think you need to reduce the volume of the capture mixer itself
[10:22] <apachelogger> to me it sounds like skype changes the mic volume while the caputre remains the same making for an overall too loud signal from capture
[10:22] <apachelogger> just a guess though
[10:23] <Riddell> what's the difference?
[10:23] <mfraz74> Riddell: does disabling the 'allow skype to change volume' setting help?
[10:23] <Riddell> mfraz74: it probably would but I didn't have time for the recording
[10:23] <mfraz74> Riddell: will listen to the podcast later hopefully
[10:24] <Riddell> or rather gamaral didn't, he had a flight to catch
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not exactly sure how those two mixers are connected to each other but I would guess that mic is the actual input while capture is a software mixer, which would make a too high caputre volume a software amplifier for mic I guess
[10:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, maybe
[10:31] <Tm_T> jussi01: have you noticed we have flags up to celebrate new Kubuntu release?
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty : Past, Present and Futur : I think we should have something like that early on
[10:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: what for?
[10:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: to see how far we have come
[10:43] <Riddell> ok, put it down
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: kpk should issue an update of the sycoca *before* displaying apps one just installed and one might start now, seeing as it provides immediate access to the apps it should make sure that the sycoca was updated
[10:46] <apachelogger> eh
[10:46] <apachelogger> dantii not here ^^
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: consider that a work assignment :)
[10:49] <apachelogger> hm, qtcreator 2.1 beta
[10:50] <Riddell> so...  any ideas what to put on the banner on kubuntu.org
[10:50] <apachelogger> <3 Freedom <3
[10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: what banner would that be?
[10:51] <Riddell> the one that currently has a 10.10 1 day to go pic on it
[10:54] <Riddell> preferably ideas in the next 15 minutes please :)
[10:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: the maverick meerkat has arrived
[10:57] <apachelogger> Kubuntu 10.10 - A New Dimension of Awesome
[10:58] <ROSHA> hi Riddell
[10:58] <ROSHA> Riddell: happy kubuntu release :D
[10:59] <Riddell> thanks ROSHA 
[11:00] <Riddell> 10 minutes to go...
[11:00] <ROSHA> Riddell: im downloading from torrent :D
[11:01] <ROSHA> Riddell: did Daniel Holbach speak about me with you ?
[11:01] <Riddell> ROSHA: me mentioned someone would say hi
[11:01] <Riddell> ROSHA: you're into artwork?
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: yes
[11:02] <Riddell> you have 5 minutes to make a banner for kubuntu.org :)
[11:02] <ROSHA> :D
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: sure
[11:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: with what title ?
[11:02] <neversfelde> from 10 minutes to 5 in 2 minutes
[11:02] <neversfelde> that's fast
[11:03] <ROSHA> hi neversfelde :)
[11:03] <neversfelde> hi ROSHA
[11:03] <ROSHA> neversfelde: how aree you man ? :D
[11:03] <neversfelde> fine, how are you?
[11:04] <ROSHA> neversfelde: not bad , just alive :)
[11:04] <Riddell> ROSHA: "Kubuntu 10.10"
[11:04] <ROSHA> Riddell: do you have any slogan ?
[11:04] <neversfelde> ROSHA: hehe
[11:05] <ROSHA> Riddell: what size ? like this in web site ?
[11:06] <Quintasan> \o/
[11:06] <Riddell> ROSHA: 500x250 I think
[11:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: im working on it :)
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: ad UDS ... "samba sharing" ... maybe we should expand that to sharing in general I recon sharing right from your desktop is a very important thing to do, e.g. uploading pics to facebook or flickr
[11:09]  * Riddell rolls a drum
[11:10] <Quintasan> ITS PARTY TIME!
[11:11] <phoenix_> thank you all for your valuable efforts
[11:12] <Riddell> whee! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
[11:12] <Riddell> party music on!
[11:12]  * Riddell hugs apachelogger 
[11:12]  * Riddell dances with Quintasan 
[11:13]  * Quintasan turns on neon lights
[11:13]  * Riddell lifts neversfelde into the air
[11:13]  * nigelb torrents kubuntu this time
[11:13] <ROSHA> Riddell: follow my previous artworks from my blog : http://roozbeh.us and also via planetkde.org
[11:14]  * apachelogger hugs everyone and gets out the champagne
[11:14] <Nightrose> \o/
[11:15]  * Riddell pours Nightrose some of apachelogger's champagne
[11:15] <Nightrose> yay :D
[11:15] <apachelogger> uhhh :D
[11:15] <apachelogger> now if we had a proper party bot... ^^
[11:16]  * Nightrose could invite the insanity :D
[11:16] <neversfelde> :)
[11:16] <Quintasan> :D
[11:17] <Riddell> oh no!
[11:17] <Nightrose> insanity: order party for everyone
[11:17]  * insanity is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time.
[11:17]  * insanity is back and slides party down the bar to everyone
[11:17] <Riddell> it's insanity 
[11:18] <Riddell> this channel is going to be like one of those crazy amarok channels!
[11:18] <Nightrose> hmmmm looks like she lost the party plugin :(
[11:18] <Riddell> maybe amarok developers are getting calmer in their old age :)
[11:18] <Nightrose> lol
[11:18] <Nightrose> never
[11:19] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose, Quintasan, neversfelde, ROSHA, nigelb: hey, let's all group hug sabdfl when he's not expecting it
[11:19] <Nightrose> :D
[11:19] <Quintasan> :O
[11:19] <apachelogger> fullack
[11:19]  * apachelogger is all for group hugs
[11:19] <neversfelde> hehe
[11:19] <Riddell> sabdfl: group hug!
[11:20] <Quintasan> sabdfl: group hug!
[11:20] <sabdfl> i'm in :-)
[11:20]  * nigelb hugs sabdfl and everyone!
[11:20]  * Tm_T huggles all, how unsuspectful
[11:20] <jussi> Im in!
[11:20] <sabdfl> well done team kubuntu
[11:20]  * Nightrose hugs sabdfl
[11:20] <sabdfl> tight, tough cycle, but you pulled it off
[11:20]  * apachelogger proposes a group hug of the whole channel :D
[11:20]  * apachelogger hugs sabdfl and everyone else too
[11:21]  * Quintasan hugs #kubuntu-devel
[11:21] <jussi> apachelogger: you do know Im going to hug you at UDS?
[11:21] <Nightrose> be afraid!
[11:21] <Nightrose> :D
[11:22]  * Nightrose wishes she could come too - but alas i'll be enjoying SF instead ;-)
[11:22] <Riddell> and remember, jussi is Finish, he'll probably hug you straight out of the sauna
[11:22] <Nightrose> Riddell: ewwwwwwwww :P
[11:22] <jussi> actually, Im an aussie :D
[11:22] <apachelogger> hm
[11:22] <apachelogger> sticky hugs
[11:22] <apachelogger> hm
[11:22] <apachelogger> ...
[11:22] <apachelogger> :P
[11:22] <Nightrose> jussi: that doesn't count
[11:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: don't get any ideas°
[11:22] <jussi> Nightrose: how so?
[11:22] <jussi> lol
[11:23] <Nightrose> jussi: you've been there long enough to get sauna assimilated
[11:23] <jussi> ha!
[11:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: ooh SF, we'll be in the same country, you can come over for a drink in the evening
[11:23] <jussi> hhahahahahhaah
[11:23] <Nightrose> Riddell: haha
[11:23] <Nightrose> actually i'll be in boston first
[11:23] <Nightrose> then MV/SF
[11:23] <nigelb> dang, US of A didn't let me in or else I'd be meet you all at the end of the month
[11:24] <nigelb> *meeting
[11:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: was it desktop or alternate powerpc ISO you tested?
[11:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: desktop
[11:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how come insanity forgot how to party?
[11:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dunno
[11:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: I told you, the amarok devs are getting old, settling down, no more parties for them
[11:26] <apachelogger> nigelb: which is why one should not have conferenced in the USA I suppose :(
[11:26] <Riddell> but it's OK, they can join the Kubuntu parties!
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: no more spunk :(
[11:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: very kind of you ;-)
[11:27]  * apachelogger travels to the lands of ~/src/svn/
[11:27] <nigelb> apachelogger: yes, agreed.
[11:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe the parser is foobar
[11:28] <apachelogger> clearly the rbotbar code is of so poor design it makes my head spin
[11:28] <dmatt> is it just me, or links to torrents on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download do not work (except DVD)?
[11:28] <apachelogger> it was like the second thing I ever programmed I think ^^
[11:28] <apachelogger> insanity: order party
[11:28]  * insanity gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[11:28]  * insanity turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[11:28] <insanity> apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-)
[11:28]  * insanity starts shaking her tight ass
[11:28] <apachelogger> there we go
[11:28]  * apachelogger dances with insanity
[11:28] <Nightrose> Oo
[11:28] <Nightrose> insanity: you're back! :D
[11:28] <insanity> hey, Nightrose :D
[11:28]  * Nightrose pets insanity
[11:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does amarok have visualizations yet?
[11:31] <Nightrose> i think thecrasher was working on something but not sure
[11:31] <apachelogger> so I have heared, not seen much yet though ^^
[11:32] <apachelogger> probably just rumours to keep the users at bay, eh? :P
[11:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: welcome to the party!
[11:33]  * Riddell puts a party hat on hunger 
[11:33] <hunger> Hi Riddell.
[11:34] <Riddell> hunger: how's 10 10 for you?
[11:34] <hunger> Riddell: I am using it since the archives became available... so no change:-)
[11:38] <hunger> Riddell: You guys forgot to break my x installation two times which you did every ubuntu release I ever tried before... so it went rather well.
[11:39] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hear that?  must try to find more breakage in X drivers in 4.6!
[11:45] <mgraesslin> :-P
[11:46] <mgraesslin> I have hear a nice breakage with 4.6 and nouveau driver which is not yet present in 4.5
[11:46] <mgraesslin> so we are working on it
[11:47] <apachelogger> <3
[11:47] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: shame I'm using closed binary drivers ):
[11:48] <mgraesslin> I installed nouveau today again to fix that regression
[11:48] <mgraesslin> I would use nouveau only if it would support power management
[11:51] <apachelogger> same here with radeon
[11:52] <apachelogger> especially since my GPU fan sounds like a helicopter on highest setting ^^
[11:53] <Riddell> good thing Intel isn't broken.. oh wait
[11:53] <apachelogger> :D
[11:54]  * apachelogger ponders reinventing likeback
[11:54] <yofel> about http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block : it says "Choose which version of Kubuntu 10.04.1 LTS you would like to download:" and then shows 10.10 and 10.04, that somehow doesn't make sense..
[11:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, should you run into teo some time, tell him that ruphy forces me to make likeback a proper library and that he should send me a list of things he would require for amarok of such a library
[11:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: feel free to tell him in the other channel ;-)
[11:55] <apachelogger> ah
[12:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: you can use this banner for web site :) : http://imagebin.ca/img/UCFhcSz.png is it OK ?
[12:03] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, data centre is hammered, hard to update
[12:03] <Riddell> ROSHA: lovely, can you do it with the Ubuntu font?
[12:03] <ROSHA> yes
[12:03] <ROSHA> Riddell: can you send me the font ?
[12:04] <ROSHA> oh i have it :)
[12:04] <ROSHA> dont send :p
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, the news timestamp stays 09 oct, supposedly you should set it to 101010101010
[12:29] <apachelogger> s/stays/says
[12:37] <Riddell> ROSHA: how's it doing?
[12:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: we are partying at the Munich Nokia office in the OVi sprint :)
[12:39] <Mamarok> greets form the other KDE folk :)
[12:39] <Tm_T> Mamarok: hug them for me (:
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: it's finished....
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: sorry im at work and im a bit busy....
[12:40] <ROSHA> Riddell: but it's finished ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> working on a Sunday?  it's as bad as canonical :)
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: :D
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: here in iran sundays is second day of the week
[12:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: our weekend is friday :p
[12:42] <persia> Only Friday?
[12:42]  * persia would expect most folk to get Thursday off also
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: yup
[12:42] <persia> Oh my!
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: are you iranian ? 
[12:42] <persia> I'm not.
[12:42] <ROSHA> persia: you nick name is a iraninan name :)
[12:43] <ROSHA> your
[12:43] <persia> No, it's a Roman word to insult Iranians that has been adopted as an identity in the past 30 years for complex sociohistorical reasons, but sorta, yeah :)
[12:44] <ROSHA> wow :D
[12:44] <Riddell> ROSHA: where can I find the image?
[12:44]  * persia means no insult, really
[12:47] <ROSHA> Riddell: you can use each one do you like : http://imagebin.ca/img/uwCRfVgQ.png  &&  http://imagebin.ca/img/JWcsyu0.png
[12:48] <ROSHA> Riddell: the fonts are diffrence
[12:48] <Riddell> lovely
[12:49] <Tm_T> ROSHA: nice (:
[12:50] <ROSHA> Tm_T: your welcome :)
[12:52] <Tm_T> funny how 10.10 announcement in kubuntu.org is dated almost 13 hours ago (:
[12:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ :P
[12:52] <apachelogger> told ya
[12:53] <ari-tczew> Tm_T: because being late is a bad trait
[12:53] <Tm_T> and being way early might mislead people (:
[12:53] <shadeslayer> hmm.. so i have no plasma-desktop... 
[12:53] <Tm_T> considering we advert release being happened 10:10:10 and not several hours before that
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what did you do now?
[12:54] <ROSHA> Riddell: this banner is for kubuntu.org index or announcment ?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no idea .. i just logged in and no plasma-desktop :D
[12:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug report 
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1958583
[12:54] <apachelogger> dear mr. plasma, where have you gone?
[12:55] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release updated
[12:55] <shadeslayer> also, plasma-netbook works fine 
[12:55] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_notifications.so
[12:55] <Riddell> ROSHA: ^^ also will do front page now
[12:55] <apachelogger> interesting
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should get dbg symbols and trace that properly
[12:55]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems a bug in the notification plasmoid kills plasma
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats what im doing, but itll take some time
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Need to get 222MB of archives. < :(
[12:56]  * apachelogger still does not quite understand why they do nothing about one plasmoid being able to drag down the whole friggin desktop
[12:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any way to remove that plasmoid from plasma right now?
[12:56] <apachelogger> well
[12:56] <apachelogger> most likely it has to do with the config
[12:57] <apachelogger> so moving the plasma-desktop-appletrc out of the way should do the trick
[12:57] <apachelogger> or plasma-applet-desktoprc, something like that
[12:57] <shadeslayer> my desktop looks like chromium OS right now -.-
[12:57] <apachelogger> uh
[12:57] <apachelogger> lets us make a chromium OS edition :D
[12:57] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:58] <ROSHA> Riddell: great ;)
[12:58] <apachelogger> imagine the money we can make
[12:58] <apachelogger> ...
[12:58] <shadeslayer> \o/ i haz desktop again
[12:58]  * apachelogger wonders what is on for lunch today
[12:58] <Quintasan> liquid bread?
[12:59] <apachelogger> nah
[12:59] <nigelb> heh, "This phenomena happens just 12 times a year: Americans write the date correctly."
[12:59] <apachelogger> we had champagne earlier
[12:59] <apachelogger> uh, idea, ... Kaiserschmarrn ...
[12:59] <nigelb> apachelogger: hrm, what is that?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> when did we release?
[12:59] <apachelogger> wp:kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <nigelb> 10:10:10 BST
[12:59] <nigelb> err UTC
[12:59] <apachelogger> ~wp:kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <apachelogger> ~wp kaiserschmarrn
[12:59] <insanity> Results for kaiserschmarrn: 1. Kaiserschmarrn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 2. Kaiserschmarrn – Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 3. File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg
[12:59] <insanity> [3] This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below. Commons is a freely licensed media file repository. You can help.
[13:00] <apachelogger> ah, there we go
[13:00] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:00] <nigelb> shtylman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html
[13:00] <shadeslayer> we have insanity \o/
[13:00] <ROSHA> Riddell: if you would like , i can contribute with kubuntu developers in artworks and wallpaper of kubuntu 11.04 and also unique plasma desktop confuguring....
[13:00] <nigelb> which insane person named the bot insanity
[13:00] <apachelogger> nigelb: it might have been markey
[13:01] <apachelogger> insanity dates way back
[13:01] <apachelogger> ...
[13:01] <shadeslayer> nigelb: question is ... what time was it released :)
[13:01] <nigelb> shadeslayer: look at the timestamp of that mail?
[13:01] <nigelb> apachelogger: that kaiser thingy looks taisty
[13:02] <shadeslayer> aww
[13:02] <shadeslayer> one hour late
[13:02] <Riddell> ROSHA: fooey, too large for the front page, needs to be only 160 high I think
[13:02] <apachelogger> nigelb: it is
[13:02] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i was looking for time at the bottom
[13:02] <nigelb> shadeslayer: it was on time per UTC
[13:02] <mgraesslin> though I am not from Austria I can confirm that Kaiserschmarrn is very tasty :-)
[13:02] <ROSHA> Riddell: for header ?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> oh great then
[13:03] <Riddell> ROSHA: yes
[13:03] <ROSHA> Riddell: wait :)
[13:04] <ROSHA> Riddell: 500x160 is sutable ?
[13:05] <ROSHA> Riddell: or 600x 160 ?
[13:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: the header is 944x230.....
[13:06] <ROSHA> Riddell: im working on this size
[13:08] <shadeslayer> wow
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ubuntu.com is pretty laggy :P
[13:09] <Riddell> ROSHA: 600x 160 should be good
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: something must be going on
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:10] <ROSHA> Riddell: i think we can replace the banner with main header , this [13:10] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: something fishy, almost like some new ubuntu release...
[13:10]  * Tm_T hides
[13:10] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:11] <Riddell> ROSHA: I don't have access to that, it needs a sysadmin change so it's not practical for today
[13:11] <shadeslayer> my point was... kubuntu.org was quite fast
[13:11] <ROSHA> Riddell: ok, im working on 600x160
[13:11] <shadeslayer> which either means : 1) not alot of users on kubuntu.org or 2) we have better web server
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ill be going with 2
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please see bug 654236
[13:14] <Riddell> reminds me
[13:14] <Riddell> ROSHA: how do you pronounce Choqok then?
[13:15] <shadeslayer>  Is it possible in any way to just backport the move to oauth?  :: uh .. i dont understand that  part
[13:16] <Riddell> means can you patch in the oauth support instead of doing a whole new release
[13:16] <shadeslayer> oh 
[13:16] <shadeslayer> well... itll be a huge patch :P ... and i wont be able to do it 
[13:17] <shadeslayer> so essentially no ...
[13:17] <ROSHA> Riddell: we pronounce choqok like this : choghok
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: ch like sCHool
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: k like KDE :D
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you know about #klluminati  ? :D
[13:18] <shadeslayer> and did you see the solid song? :P
[13:18] <ROSHA> Riddell: for gh we have not pronounce in english
[13:19] <ROSHA> Riddell: gh like R pronounce in french
[13:19] <ROSHA> Riddell: like metRO pronounce in french :)
[13:19] <ROSHA> metRo
[13:20] <Riddell> I may need a recording :)
[13:20] <ROSHA> Riddell: :D
[13:21] <ROSHA> u ;)Riddell: I'll record this pronounce and send yo
[13:21] <ROSHA> Riddell: I'll record this pronounce and send you ;)
[13:30] <Riddell> ROSHA: do you know if there's any good white water canoeing in Iran? I just read a book about how good Iran is for skiing but I'm more into rivers myself
[13:35] <shadeslayer> markey: i cant produce that widget issue any more ...
[13:36] <shadeslayer> in amarok, did you do something? LD
[13:37] <ROSHA> Riddell: i didnt hear about this
[13:38] <ROSHA> Riddell: im living in isfahan, center city of iran
[13:38] <ROSHA> Riddell: maybe in south or north of iran the peoples know about this :)
[13:41] <ROSHA> Riddell: put this banner in kubuntu.org header : http://imagebin.ca/img/X-PDxL.png
[13:42] <ROSHA> Riddell: put this banner in kubuntu.org header : http://imagebin.ca/img/X-PDxL.png
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ROSHA: thats a bit small i think
[13:43] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: how so?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: he means the entire Blue Background right?
[13:43] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no
[13:44] <shadeslayer> oh.. just place that image on top of the blue backgroud ?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> like the counter
[13:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I think so yes
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok then
[13:45] <ROSHA> this banner will place in middle of header 
[13:45] <Riddell> ROSHA: voila! http://www.kubuntu.org/
[13:45] <persia> Ooh, Shiny!
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: possibly position it in the middle ?
[13:47] <ROSHA> Riddell: i think the header is not sutable for this banner
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've no idea how
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, im looking how to do it too :P
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably needs some change to the stylesheet which is part of the theme and not easily changed
[13:48] <shadeslayer> probably yes
[13:51] <ROSHA> Riddell: do you have webmaster/web designer for kubuntu.org ?
[13:52] <Riddell> ROSHA: ofirk and sheytan
[13:57] <Riddell> (who aren't around just now)
[13:59] <real_ate> congrats on the new release btw ;) 
[14:00] <real_ate> but i do have a question (how the work just continues!!) .. does anyone know if there is someone working on KDE gdm integration? 
[14:00] <real_ate> I have found 2 (possibly unrelated) bugs in the ubuntu launchpad but they haven't been really touched since feisty! 
[14:08] <apachelogger> real_ate: no
[14:08] <apachelogger> also I am not sure what you mean by integration
[14:08] <real_ate> apachelogger: kde wasn't upgraded to use the new gdm protocol 
[14:08] <apachelogger> there is a protocol?
[14:09] <real_ate> and is unable to switch users, shutdown etc
[14:09] <real_ate> well i think its now using dbus or something 
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if you use gdm with KDE, you cant shutdown and stuff from menu
[14:09] <real_ate> ... i'm looking into it 
[14:09] <apachelogger> well
[14:09] <shadeslayer> you need to logout > shutdown
[14:09] <apachelogger> real_ate: #kde-devel
[14:09] <apachelogger> that is of particularly little concern to kubuntu really
[14:09] <real_ate> ??
[14:09] <apachelogger> kubuntu comes with kdm, not gdm?
[14:10] <real_ate> apachelogger: i'm surprised at your statement... 
[14:10] <apachelogger> how is that?
[14:10] <real_ate> apachelogger: but if you install kubuntu-desktop from inside ubuntu 
[14:10] <shadeslayer> real_ate: it drags in kdm and asks you which you want
[14:10] <Riddell> real_ate: he just means it should be fixed in KDE to get the fix into kubuntu and other distros
[14:10] <ulysses> real_ate: then it ask whether you want to use kdm or gdm
[14:11] <real_ate> yes yes i know all this 
[14:11] <apachelogger> real_ate: my point is, there is no point in working on this on a kubuntu scale since it affects KDE at large
[14:11] <apachelogger> hence it needs to be resolved in KDE
[14:11] <real_ate> my surprise isn't important now, you make a good point on kubuntu using kdm 
[14:11] <markey> shadeslayer: what widget issue?
[14:11] <real_ate> apachelogger: yes yes i understand your point now :) thanks
[14:11] <shadeslayer> markey: amarok widget issue
[14:11] <shadeslayer> the lyrics widget to be precise 
[14:11] <apachelogger> in any case the problem would be finding someone who actually cares to implement this
[14:12] <real_ate> apachelogger: that would be me
[14:12] <apachelogger> or align KDM with GDM so that any combination works
[14:12] <apachelogger> since I suppose using GNOME with KDM causes exactly the same problem
[14:12] <real_ate> I was just checking if any of you guys who straddle KDE and ubuntu haven't started working on it so I don't duplicate work 
[14:12] <real_ate> apachelogger: using gnome with kdm is WAY worse! 
[14:13] <real_ate> unusable 
[14:13] <Riddell> real_ate: nope but if fedora already has a patch worth checking with rdieter 
[14:13] <real_ate> Riddell: i'm trying that patch first
[14:13] <real_ate> seeing if i can get it to work against the ubuntu source 
[14:13] <real_ate> and starting from there 
[14:13] <real_ate> and working back upstream 
[14:14] <apachelogger> real_ate: maybe you really should try to get the KDM and GDM people to come up with a common specification for DM stuff
[14:14] <apachelogger> so that KDE works with GDM and GNOME with KDM when both GDM and KDM implement the specified behaviours and interfaces
[14:15] <apachelogger> the better part of the problem probably is that GDM derived from XDM (upon which both are based I recon) whereas KDM as I understand it stuck with comatibility with XDM
[14:15] <Riddell> I suspect that GDM and KDM maintainers aren't always the cooperative sorts
[14:16] <real_ate> apachelogger: well i think that sort of stuff is called for at the next desktop summit 
[14:16]  * real_ate will be there
[14:16] <real_ate> :) 
[14:16] <real_ate> Riddell: well gdm is now using dbus i think 
[14:16] <apachelogger> real_ate: it surely did not hurt to maybe try get some people thinking on this topic before hand
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah ;)
[14:16] <real_ate> and KDE people are really on the dbus bandwaggon 
[14:16] <real_ate> apachelogger: :D 
[14:17] <apachelogger> real_ate: KDM is a very special part within KDE
[14:17] <apachelogger> also as I said in the backend KDM supposedly is still largely based on XDM
[14:17] <apachelogger> so I am not sure the lead developer would be very much in favor of changing that, since he did not do until now
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why does Download page say 32 bit as recommended?
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for everyone if they don't know or care about bits
[14:19] <persia> Well, not everyone: 6GB systems are out there, as are other architectures, but most folk.
[14:19] <shadeslayer> imo we should specify why you should download 64 bit
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should not
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ( in cases where you have memory > 4GB )
[14:20] <yofel> persia: iirc the -pae kernel supports >4GiB for 32bit
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean amd64 is bad?
[14:20] <apachelogger> persia: pae resolves the RAM situation
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I mean that i386 is more reliable towards compatiblity
[14:20] <persia> Ah, cool.  Still doesn't help with other architectures, but that's an entirely different discussion (and those folk should know)
[14:21] <apachelogger> recent example: the playstation emulator psX is linked against i386 so you'd need to spin around a bit until you get it to work
[14:22] <persia> There's also still heaps of stuff that isn't 64-bit safe and needs porting.
[14:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you play http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/photos-and-sharing/ in rekonq?
[14:28] <apachelogger> rekonq just froze
[14:28] <hunger> Will kde 4.5.2 become available on maverick eventually?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hunger: it  might
[14:29] <shadeslayer> well
[14:29] <shadeslayer> it already is in PPA
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: generally yes
[14:29] <apachelogger> freezes now and then
[14:29] <hunger> shadeslayer: I don't like using ppa... they tend to break when I upgrade:-/
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just have a white box and audio :(
[14:30] <apachelogger> the flash
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hunger: uh, we actually verified that the upgrade went fine
[14:30] <apachelogger> ok, now it is frozen for good
[14:30] <hunger> shadeslayer: I'll just wait for the narwal repos to open then.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hunger: btw we might put 4.5.2 in updates, not sure when tho
[14:31] <hunger> shadeslayer: Yes, upgrading to a ppa usually works... upgrading the distro with a ppa installed did not work too well for me so far.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ need to look into that too 
[14:31] <apachelogger> meh oh meh
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I would not say that it is playable
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hunger: ppa's are disabled when upgrading from one release to another
[14:31] <apachelogger> stupid flash
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, i cant even get it to load :/
[14:32] <apachelogger> if they used html5 it would be a lot better :P
[14:32] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:32] <apachelogger> I think the player has serious caching problems
[14:32] <hunger> shadeslayer: Yes, they are, but the packages are still installed and so far tended to confuse aptitude.
[14:32] <apachelogger> oh good now my gpu fan turned on
[14:32] <shadeslayer> youtube+flash works fine tho
[14:32] <apachelogger> that is never a good isgn ^^
[14:32] <apachelogger> *sign
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:33]  * apachelogger thinks KDE needs more kinetic scrolling
[14:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[14:33] <shadeslayer> kinetic scrolling++
[14:33] <apachelogger> more kinetic in general
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i just use rekonq over chromium for kinetic scrolling :D
[14:34] <apachelogger> rekonq does have kinetic scrolling?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> smoot scrolling its called
[14:34] <persia> What is "kinetic scrolling"?
[14:34] <apachelogger> that is a different thing
[14:34] <shadeslayer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pCVrltKOGQ ?
[14:34] <apachelogger> persia: when the scroll movement does not suddenly stop but sort of animated stop using an easing curve
[14:35] <apachelogger> persia: http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/photos-and-sharing/ 
[14:35] <persia> apachelogger, Ah, but it doesn't imply reverse axes (finger-following)?
[14:35] <apachelogger> plasma widgets for example do it
[14:35] <apachelogger> persia: not AFAIK
[14:36] <persia> Thanks for the explanation.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i get my N900 in time, ill bring it to UDS and then we can play with kubuntu-mobile :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> also technically you can have all sorts of such fancy animations in Qt, problem is that you need to hand craft all that stuff
[14:36]  * persia installed that on a phone yesterday, and was unable to figure out how to stop dialing a number
[14:37] <apachelogger> the qt animations foo helps a lot though
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are getting an n900?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly yes... in the coming few days
[14:37] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:37]  * apachelogger envys shadeslayer
[14:37] <shadeslayer> :>
[14:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think you could get knut to throw some at kubuntu devs? ^^
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: only if we go to devdays
[14:38] <apachelogger> meh
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can play with mine for 5-6 days during UDS... if i get it in time :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> markey: ^ can you bribe knut?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> cya in a while ...
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, that is not a terribly long time :P
[14:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:41] <apachelogger> oh, choqok to the rescue
[14:41] <apachelogger> what do you people think about animated wallpapers?
[14:42] <apachelogger> like something shining very subtle
[14:42] <apachelogger> or say if we had a wallpaper with a butterfly on it, have that butterfly fly around every once in a while
[14:43]  * apachelogger always thought that for suse it would be cool to have geeko sit around in some nice woodish scene and eat insects every once in a while ^^
[14:44] <persia> One could probably resurrect the old xroach code to have the gecko slowly crawl around the edges of windows or some such.
[14:45] <hunger> apachelogger: animated wallpapers are nice, but only on computers I do not really work on.
[14:45] <apachelogger> well, that is cheesy :P
[14:46] <persia> Wasn't there something in kde-games for a while.  Automated Time Wasting Something?
[14:46] <ulysses> Upgrade fail after downloading packages with error code 1. If I try to resume, it doesn't start with error code 127.
[14:46] <apachelogger> hunger: well, not overly animated, just something very subtle that makes the desktop seem more alive
[14:46] <apachelogger> sort of like a screensaver before the screensaver ;)
[14:46] <apachelogger> persia: in kdetoys mabye
[14:47] <apachelogger> all sorts of useful things there ^^
[14:47] <hunger> apachelogger: If it moves, then it draws away the attention... which I hate when I work.
[14:47] <apachelogger> hunger: you see the wallpaper when a window is open?
[14:47] <ulysses> Great, Kpackagekit cannot be started, aptitude fails to start…
[14:48] <hunger> apachelogger: But then I tend to not see the wallpaper anyway... so I would probably not care.
[14:48] <apachelogger> my point exactly :P
[14:48] <hunger> apachelogger: Depends. I never run anything fullscreen (exception is the netbook I use to travel).
[14:49] <hunger> apachelogger: But then I usually have an IRC app, browser, terminal, etc. next to the app I actually work with, covering the area not taken by the app itself.
[14:49] <persia> apachelogger, Dunno: last time I used that one was during the 20th century: it may well have been dropped in the meantime.
[14:50] <apachelogger> persia: kdetoys lost quite some useless foo in the porcess of KDE4ing I think
[14:50] <apachelogger> hunger: well, in any case one could turn it off
[14:50] <persia> hunger, Lately, I've been experimenting with a slideshow wallpaper.  I don't see it much, but it's always a pleasant surprise when I do.
[14:50] <apachelogger> but I think it would add a nice touch to the default appearance of the system
[14:50] <hunger> apachelogger: If you are arguing that an animated wallpaper won't be noticable while working, then why have it at all? Better invest in cool screensavers then:-)
[14:51] <apachelogger> cool screensavers imply opengl
[14:51] <apachelogger> also opengl screensavers would eat the precious energy
[14:52] <hunger> apachelogger: animated wallpapers will eat energy, too. They will wake the CPU.
[14:52] <apachelogger> not as much as a screensaver hogging your gpu though
[14:52] <hunger> apachelogger: OK, much less than running GL;-)
[14:53] <apachelogger> also I think X will not redraw the area in question if it is covered by another window?
[14:53] <apachelogger> not sure about that, I never know what is a myth and what is reality with X ^^
[14:54] <hunger> apachelogger: X won't, but you still need to wake the cpu, do the animation, send it to x so that it can ignore it:-)
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> happy 10.10.10
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> the only day when brits and usaguys can agree on what is the correct date format
[14:55] <apachelogger> hunger: I think that is negligible considering knotify4 will wake up the cpu way too often anyway ;)
[14:55] <persia> Nah.  Happens every month.
[14:55] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, maybe you can do something clever with expose events, etc.
[14:55] <persia> Plus there's the 10-10-10 vs. 10.10.10 vs. 10/10/10 argument (and it's 22/10/10 here anyway)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:56] <apachelogger> hunger: well, surely something to keep in mind, but at any rate I think it would only happen every 5 minutes or so...
[14:56] <apachelogger> preferrably irregular timing to ensure it is surprising ^^
[14:57] <apachelogger> happy 42 to you too, JontheEchidna
[14:57] <hunger> apachelogger: if you do an animation then "n times every couple of minutes".
[14:58] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, it probably won't matter too much in any case.
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> hmm, us archive is pretty fast for release day
[14:58] <apachelogger> hunger: oh, maybe, just maybe, you could ask X if the rect that is to be redrawn is covered by a window and only if not invoke the animation to begin with
[14:59] <hunger> apachelogger: True.
[14:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, because it is sunday and social people do not upgrade their system on sunday but upload pictures of their family breakfast or something ;)
[14:59] <ryanakca> Congrats everybody on 10.10.10 :)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: In my case, I stayed up until three playing Half Life 2, and only woke up 5 mins ago ;)
[15:00] <hunger> apachelogger: and I am not representative anyway. My desktop is called "ugly" by most people:-)
[15:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, I was playing LOTR BFMEII ROTWK until one ;)
[15:02] <Riddell> persia: how is it 22/10/10 ?
[15:02] <apachelogger> jolly boring game
[15:02] <apachelogger> hunger: so you could have an ugly animation :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should really be playing amnesia though
[15:03] <rdieter> real_ate: if you hadn't found it already, this is the patch you're likely after, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=kdebase-workspace.git;a=blob_plain;f=kdebase-workspace-4.3.95-ck-shutdown.patch;hb=HEAD   
[15:03]  * apachelogger is trying to get himself to continue playing for like a week without success
[15:08] <real_ate> rdieter: how weird! I was JUST looking for that! :D the old like I had was on their cvs web view 
[15:08] <real_ate> rdieter: cheers! 
[15:56] <apachelogger> insanity: order cookies for Nightrose
[15:56]  * insanity slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[16:05] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1184492 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a bug where an empty line would make its way to the bottom of the installedFilesList(). (Visible once the list is sorted)
[16:09] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184493 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DetailsTabs/InstalledFilesTab.cpp Sort the file list before insertion into the text widget. FEATURE:253751 FIXED-IN:1.1
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> btw, if there are any redditors in our midst: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/dpb8t/kubuntu_1010_released_featuring_kde_45_and_more/
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> (Digg is dead, no more linux/unix section)
[16:16] <Riddell> really?  boo for digg
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> whereas reddit has subreddits that anyone can create, including the rather-active kde subreddit :)
[16:20] <persia> Riddell, Probably about like 10/10/10 there, except with more emperors :)
[16:48] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184500 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (ChangeLog libmuon/PackageModel/PackageProxyModel.cpp) Implement sort by status/requested status BUG:249929 FIXED-IN:1.1
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats a direct instance of a class?
[17:15]  * shadeslayer is reading about abstract classes
[17:16] <shadeslayer> so, class foo{ int foo; }; foo foo1 ?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> thats a direct instance ?
[17:18] <ulysses> my kubuntu maverick freezed, I can't do anyithing, I had to power off...
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in a sentence please?
[17:18]  * apachelogger never heared the term direct instance in context of C++
[17:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.csharpfriends.com/articles/getarticle.aspx?articleid=72
[17:19] <shadeslayer> bstract class is a class that has no direct instances, but whose descendants may have direct instances. 
[17:19] <apachelogger> usually however a direct instance of a class is an instance that is most specific to that class
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Abstract even
[17:19] <allee> userconfig-kde4 bzr repo:  Is it okay to push trival patches directly (add tabstop and buddy to user details)  or is the policy bugreport + branch + please merge?
[17:19] <apachelogger> so if you have a class C and no other class derives from C or there are n instances of derived class any instance of C is on general prinziple a direct instance of C
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> allee: yeah, go for pushing patches. no need for extra beaurocracy when none is needed ;-)
[17:20] <apachelogger> in other cases you could have a class D that derives from C but you interact with it as if it were a C because it inherits all properties of C
[17:20] <shadeslayer> in that case its a indirect instance?
[17:20] <apachelogger> in that case any instance of D would not be direct instances of C  BUT instances of C
[17:21] <allee> JontheEchidna: double thx (other for #249929)
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:21] <Sput> abstract classes are classes that have abstract methods, i.e. methods that have no implementation in the base classe
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: instance's of C? multiple ?
[17:21] <Sput> virtual myMethod() = 0;
[17:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you can also have one ^^
[17:21] <shadeslayer> oh ok 
[17:21] <Sput> an abstract class *cannot* be instantiated.
[17:21] <apachelogger> n instances of C with n > 0 :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what Sput is saying is probably what the author meant to say
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Sput: thats another thing im trying to find out, instantiated .. 
[17:22]  * shadeslayer has never heard of that word
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also csharp != c++ :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer> i wasnt looking at the example ;)
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <apachelogger> now see
[17:23] <apachelogger> that example is also not aplicable to c++ :P
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i think ive understood it
[17:24] <apachelogger> in c++ a class becomes pure abstract by doing that virtual method() = 0; thing
[17:24] <shadeslayer> you make a class foo, you derive foo1 from foo, but you cannot have instances of foo
[17:24] <shadeslayer> that makes foo a abstract class
[17:24] <allee> QT dev days: some of you already in Munich?  Plans for tonight?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and use what Sput has said :)
[17:25] <Sput> I'm in munich
[17:25] <Sput> shadeslayer: "intantiating class foo" means "creating an object of type foo"
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v8v101/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc%2Flanguage%2Fref%2Fcplr142.htm
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Sput: oh yes, i understood it after i read it all together :D
[17:26] <Sput> and if Foo is a class that has abstract methods, you cannot create an object of type Foo
[17:26] <apachelogger> all there is to know about abstract classes :P
[17:26] <Sput> instead, you need to derive a subclass that implements the missing methods
[17:26] <Sput> in Java, abstract classes are called "interface" btw
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that is one awesome doc you found :D
[17:26] <Sput> because you specify the API (method signatures), but not actually the implementation
[17:27] <apachelogger> dude whenever you want some fancy infos on some C or C++ stuff, attach IBM to your google search ;)
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[17:27] <shadeslayer> which reminds me
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Sput: i cant properly open *.*ubuntu.* links from quassel
[17:28] <shadeslayer> for eg.
[17:28] <shadeslayer> www.kubuntu.org
[17:28] <apachelogger> works with konqueror :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> gives me a weird url in chromiun : /var/cache/krun
[17:29] <shadeslayer> something like that
[17:29] <shadeslayer> file:///var/tmp/kdecache-shadeslayer/krun/3176.0. << to be exact
[17:29] <allee> Sput: any KDE/kubuntu plans for tonight beside hacking?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> same thing with launchpad
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try www.launchpad.net
[17:29] <apachelogger> that works too
[17:30] <shadeslayer> issue in chromium i guess then :(
[17:30] <ulysses> bug 644740 still present...
[17:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you are not properly escaping stuff?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> copy pasting links does the trick
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> its stock kde 4.5.2
[17:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in whereever however you are launching it
[17:31] <apachelogger> cause
[17:31] <apachelogger> the kruner intermediate thingies ought to contain the url to be opened
[17:31] <Sput> shadeslayer: most probably not a quassel bug, check out if it works with xdg-open
[17:31] <apachelogger> so that digity funk there is surely not the right name that chromium should get
[17:31] <apachelogger> which makes me believe that it falls over some character in the file name
[17:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i type www.launchpad.net in quassel and click that link  in chat window and it opens that cache stuff
[17:32] <jjesse> i'm getting no problems with either launchpad oor kubuntu.org on chrome 
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so why does chromium come up?
[17:32] <jjesse> the one i download from google
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because ive set it as default atm ?
[17:32] <apachelogger> see
[17:32] <apachelogger> where did you set it as default
[17:32] <shadeslayer> system settings -> default applications
[17:33] <apachelogger> then there is where you should be looking for PEBKAC :P
[17:33] <shadeslayer> PEBKAC ? :D
[17:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: works fine here with chromium daily
[17:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: i have the one from beta channel
[17:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:34] <shadeslayer> it works randomnly now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISv9_2TfaeA&feature=player_embedded#!
[17:36] <shadeslayer> that is one awesome wallpaper
[17:37] <apachelogger> why is that?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> animated wallpapers ftw :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> I find that particular one rather silly TBH
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: erm.. btw... i removed that config you told me, instead of moving it, now i wonder how i reproduce the issue since now i have debug symbols 
[17:46] <shadeslayer> also, is there a way you can force plasma to use raster everytime it starts up?
[18:12] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1184521 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Add a K/Ubuntu emblem to the package icon in the package view when a package is Canonical-supported.
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/uyPTu
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> more direct: http://i.imgur.com/uyPTu.png
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm .. 
[18:16] <shadeslayer> nice :)
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> neat thing is, due to kubuntu-default-settings, that'll be an ubuntu logo on Ubuntu systems
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> yay for the alternatives system
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ooh
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hmm.. what do we have apart from wget in our download utilities
[19:07] <hunger> When will the narwal repos open? /me is always bored when there is no unstable ubuntu repo open:-)
[19:12] <Riddell> hunger: needs the toolchain to get uploaded first
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apparently rekonq doesnt open magnet links.. 
[19:27] <neversfelde> some complaints about the font :(
[19:28] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: so ive heard...
[19:28] <neversfelde> :(
[19:29] <neversfelde> not good, we should really not change such things so late
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> it's just a font. I always have changed the default font.
[19:30] <ROSHA_home> hi guys
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> well, until now, but :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ->needsmorebandwidth()
[19:38] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: sure, but it's not good to confront unexperienced users with it
[19:38] <neversfelde> they do not like, if a font is too small after an upgrade
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> we didn't overwrite existing font settings
[19:38]  * apachelogger badly cut himself while shaving
[19:39] <apachelogger> I am going to bleed to death
[19:39] <apachelogger> omg
[19:39]  * apachelogger runs around in cycles
[19:39] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: mhh, seems to be a problem
[19:39] <neversfelde> I saw 4 people having problems with their font
[19:40] <neversfelde> not sure, if Ubuntu font is responsible
[19:49] <ulysses> system load is 67.42 and growing...
[19:49] <ulysses> 6.42*
[19:50] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i lol'd when i saw 67.42
[19:51] <shadeslayer> load average: 0.40, 0.65, 0.67 << thats mine
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mem consumption is staggering tho
[19:51]  * shadeslayer hugs jussi
[19:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: we wont take you to disneyland :P
[19:52] <ulysses> shadeslayer: it's 11.08 now...
[19:52] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ulysses: what did you do? :D
[19:52] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: are you there ?
[19:53] <ulysses> upgraded from lucid...
[19:53] <shadeslayer> plasma is actually taking up just 60megs now
[19:53] <Riddell> ROSHA_home: hi
[19:53] <shadeslayer> go go raster
[19:53] <ROSHA_home> hi Riddell
[19:53] <ulysses> 13.26 \o/
[19:53] <ROSHA_home> how are you ?
[19:53]  * shadeslayer commands ulysses system to shutdown
[19:53] <shadeslayer> ulysses: restart! whats the uptime btw?
[19:54] <ulysses> 15 minutes
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upstream recommends choqok 0.9.90 and qoauth 1.0.1, think we can put those in maverick-backports?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> :S
[19:55] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: i think in next days you should start working on kubuntu 11.04
[19:57] <ROSHA_home> Riddell: do you have any program for artworks (wallpaper,KDM,Ksplash, Splash Screens) and also making plasma configuration friendly ?
[19:57] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: ^
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ROSHA_home: i want custom artwork as well
[20:00] <shadeslayer> but go through latest KDE masters of the universe podcast/whatever its called
[20:00] <shadeslayer> also, ive talked to pinotree, he says he will deliver a awesome wallpaper in 4.6
[20:00] <shadeslayer> and thats what 11.04 will ship
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: i have many program for kubuntu 11.04
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> shadeslayer: if you like i can do those for kubunu
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ROSHA_home: id say work with pinotree to get awesome artwork into KDE
[20:02] <shadeslayer> that way everyone benefits
[20:02] <ROSHA_home> ok
[20:03] <shadeslayer> but id really like some kubuntu branding... one of the topics to be discussed at UDS i hope
[20:07] <Riddell> as ever, I'm very happy with the upstream KDE artwork and don't see any reason to change it
[20:15]  * DarkwingDuck agrees
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> If it isn't broke...
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you like Ethias? :D
[20:17] <Riddell> sure
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: imo we should offer one more choice apart from the default wallpaper
[20:18] <shadeslayer> for that we need more space
[20:18] <shadeslayer> and for that, we must shrink/kick off stuff from CD :(
[20:19] <ulysses> shadeslayer: now I started with 2.6.32, seems OK
[20:20] <shadeslayer> ulysses: kernel issue then?
[20:20] <ulysses> shadeslayer: maybe, I hope not xorg
[20:22]  * shadeslayer writes a image of chrome os onto USB
[20:27] <ulysses> it freezed again...
[20:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: other wallpapers are easy enough to download, there's packages and Get Hot New Stuff.  our CDs only have space for a basic operating system, anything else is a luxury
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah agreed on that 
[20:32] <shadeslayer> imo we should have a Install More KDE wallpapers from packages link
[20:32] <shadeslayer> s/link/button
[20:33] <Riddell> Desktop Settings does have just such a button
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not a install packages button :)
[20:34] <shadeslayer> GHNS button for sure ... 
[20:34] <shadeslayer> ok ill bbiab
[21:41] <ulysses> shadeslayer: I updated to KDE 4.5.2 from the PPA, almost everything is OK, only the switch between windows is slow, very slow…
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ulysses: intel graphics card?
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pingly
[21:42] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yes, an Intel GMA4500MHD
[21:42] <apachelogger> lord google calls
[21:42] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i think ScottK may know about the issue :)
[21:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pongyly
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe, need some help with KRun
[21:42] <shadeslayer> im trying to implement magnet support in rekonq
[21:43] <apachelogger> ...
[21:43] <apachelogger> .......
[21:43] <apachelogger> .........
[21:43] <apachelogger> you remember apturl?
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i tried out konqueror, it tries to launch magnet links with ktorrent but fails, i cant find the code that does that
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah
[21:43] <apachelogger> you remember what I told you about how it is done?
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i dont want to use KProcess
[21:43] <apachelogger> if you had done it that way you would now not be spending time on solving a problem that really is not a problem at al
[21:43] <apachelogger> l
[21:44] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/TTeeDNd4 < you mean thats a bad implementation :D
[21:44] <apachelogger> yes it is
[21:44] <apachelogger> and I told you so
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ok ... 
[21:46] <apachelogger> KService/KProtocol* is what should have been used to begin with
[21:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but doesnt this mean hardcoding the applications that can open the URL?
[21:52] <apachelogger>  wah?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> KService::KService(const QString & 	name, const QString & 	exec, const QString & 	icon)			
[21:52] <shadeslayer> exec is the executable
[21:52] <apachelogger> you ask kprotocolinfo isProtocolKnown(prot) or something like that
[21:53] <apachelogger> then it goes like, yeah yeah, and then you go, well, then exec(url) or something like that
[21:53] <apachelogger> and then kprotocolinfo will fiddle out on its own what to do
[21:53] <shadeslayer> ohk
[21:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the code is most likely just 3-4 lines i suppose?
[21:55] <apachelogger> never done it, but in theory
[21:56] <shadeslayer> uh hmm 
[21:56] <shadeslayer> exec returns QString
[21:56] <shadeslayer> does it start the required application too?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> i think it just returns executable to start
[21:57] <shadeslayer> and then you use KService?
[21:59] <apachelogger> I think you would krun it or klaunch it
[21:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:59] <shadeslayer> oh this sounds good
[22:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly krun and klaunch even take care of the protocol lookup foo
[22:01] <apachelogger> then again you probably cannot do proper error handling beforehand
[22:01] <shadeslayer> looking at klaunch atm
[22:01] <apachelogger> say display a fancy protocol not supported page
[22:03] <shadeslayer> i _think_ ive figured out what needs to be done, lets see if i can code it
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a difference between what exec returns and what KLauncher::start_service_by_desktop_name will take in serviceName ?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> 'serviceName' refers to a desktop file describing the service. The service is looked up anywhere in $KDEDIR/applnk and/or $KDEDIR/services. E.g. it should have the form "korganizer". :: from api
[22:07] <apachelogger> protocols aint regular desktop files
[22:07] <apachelogger> what exec returns is the exec field of the protocol
[22:07] <apachelogger> which can be an executable OR a library
[22:07] <apachelogger> see documentation
[22:07] <apachelogger> or to put it the debian way...
[22:07] <apachelogger> RTFM
[22:07] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:07] <shadeslayer> and serviceName is ?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[22:08] <shadeslayer> thats the arch way as well ;)
[22:08] <apachelogger> here is the apachelogger way: I am watching Glee and aint have no time to lookup kservice foo :P
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ohh.. ok wont disturb ya
[22:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe use some code search engine and look for things using kprotocolinfo
[22:12] <shadeslayer> like lxdr?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> i mean, lkxr
[22:12] <shadeslayer> meh
[22:12] <shadeslayer> lxt
[22:13] <shadeslayer> forget it
[22:14] <shadeslayer> im reading http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials
[22:18] <will_1987> hey guys
[22:23] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question: Is it possible to change the size of the panel in plasama-netbook? After I added a widget to my panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?