[00:20] claydoh: ping [00:20] claydoh: I'm copying the FinalDraft over to kubuntu.org, do let me know what sections you plan to edit still [00:21] Riddell: good timing, just got home and am working on the last bits notfilled in [00:22] Riddell: I don't have any text for the kde4.5.1 section yet, and need to copy over text/images and edit the other sections [00:23] claydoh: thanks, I'll keep a watch for your changes [00:24] * claydoh needs to work less hours at work sometimes :) [00:30] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu now final, proofreading needed [00:37] Riddell: Do you want anything in there about conffile prompts? [00:39] ScottK: depends on how well we got on with these potential fixes [00:39] * ScottK nods [00:47] hmm, spot the mistake on http://www.kubuntu.org/ [00:48] * Riddell fixes [00:48] 1 days left is not proper English, but I suspect that's not what you're after. [00:49] Looks like all the feature tour screen shots are with the old font. [00:49] The 4.5.2 announcement for 10.10 is sort of correct, but misleading. [00:50] it did say "out now" instead of "1 days left" [00:50] better bad grammer than early release announcements [00:51] Oh. [00:51] Certainly. [00:51] awooga! [00:51] Upgrade fix? [00:51] XMODIFIERS='@im=unset' fixes the DistUpgrade bug [00:52] oh [00:52] no it doesn't [00:52] it just delays it until you click on the text area [00:52] fooey [00:52] ScottK: has your upgrade got to showing the conf change dialogue yet? [00:53] Didn't get that far yet. [00:53] guess I'll do a new lucid install and try again with some show/hide of a text area at the start [00:53] sigh [00:53] Just started setting up phase. [00:56] Going to dinner. Maybe it'll be here when I get back. [00:56] eat well [00:57] -*- [01:00] Riddell: Works. [01:04] Riddell: well, it certainly is 10/10/10 in south africa already :) [01:06] its a bit silly watching #ubuntu-release-party [01:11] ScottK: button successfully disabled? [01:13] jjesse: occationally one has to mingle with the proletariat [01:17] Riddell: notes look to be done, I hope - unless there are new Known Issues I have missed [01:19] Riddell: Yes. It's there, but disabled. [01:19] ScottK: ok, so we can copy that over to maverick-updates [01:19] Let me finish the upgrade (close) [01:20] claydoh: thanks, I'll copy that over to kubuntu.org [01:20] should i copy the page to Final/Kubuntu, or just redirect ? the ubuntu release notes for Kubuntu point to the FinalDraft page [01:20] * claydoh should study all things wiki [01:21] of course I could just rename it too [01:23] Rebooting. Hopefully brb. [01:26] claydoh: edit the ReleaseNotes wiki page to point to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release [01:27] Riddell: Back. I'm prepared to call it a success. [01:28] Riddell: the Ubuntu release notes? that page is immutable, will have to contact th author [01:29] claydoh: try logging in [01:29] ScottK: groovy [01:30] Riddell: hah, thought i was [01:30] claydoh: or use the wiki.kubuntu.org domain [01:36] Riddell: The Quassel icon doesn't get turned off on upgrades. [01:37] Riddell: done [01:45] ScottK: please report dist upgrade test on bug 656876 [01:45] Launchpad bug 656876 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "distupgrade crashed during conf file change review" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656876 [01:46] Riddell: Just did it. [01:46] Also put a pass in for Kubuntu Upgrade i386 on the ISO tracker. [01:48] The font takes some getting used to. [02:13] so this new font is default on a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10? [02:15] yes [02:15] proofreading needed for those with access https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release [02:18] ScottK: my show/hide a text area at the start idea didn't work so I think we'll have to go with no show more for conffile changes [02:18] I'll add a release note and not to the upgrade page [02:18] Riddell: OK. I think it's reasonable, it just needs a really good release note. [02:18] OK. [02:18] s/not/note/ [02:18] annoying that, I expected it to work [02:19] bloody input methods, nothing but trouble, mumble [02:31] ScottK: for this release note, how does someone look at the conffile change manually? [02:32] ah got it, it's called FILE.dpkg-new [02:33] yes. then one uses diff ... [02:37] damn, now I need a screenshot [02:40] so screenshow of conffile needed, am doing virtual machine upgrade for that [02:40] also don't have anything to put on the front page banner on kubuntu.org [02:40] but I'm sure something will turn up [02:53] is there a particular reason/issue for not having 4.5.2/koffice beta/etc for Lucid? [02:53] something i can use to respond to the masses when asked [02:57] claydoh: You mean maverick? [02:57] 4.5.2 was released after we were in final freeze. [02:57] besides that :) [02:57] Oh. Because 101010 = 42. [02:58] ok that one works :) [02:59] claydoh: we're not going to put a beta into the final release [02:59] no, not having these for lucid [03:00] "There are no packages planned for Kubuntu 10.04 LTS" [03:00] oh, no time, busy with the maverick release [03:01] and if you want the latest software, you should be using the latest release [03:01] well my guess was correct then :) [03:01] on both counts [03:04] you wouldn't belive how many people want to install new software --- without installing new software, if that make any sense [03:07] yeah I know, more packagers needed [03:09] does the kde ublog applet actually connect to twittwer on maverick? [03:10] oooo a new version of update-manager :) [03:14] jjesse: It does. [03:14] Riddell: do u need packagers? [03:14] ScottK: it hasn't updated all day for me for some reaosn [03:14] jjesse: Just did updates to both Twitter and Identi.ca. [03:17] on3_g: sure, we always need packagers === stalcup is now known as vorian [03:18] wierd it just updated [03:18] and started showing my feed [03:18] jjesse: You just needed to believe. [03:18] apparently] [03:19] Riddell: i wanna start to help with packaging [03:20] on3_g: great [03:20] on3_g: people would like the koffice beta, kdevelop RC and the whole of KDE SC 4.5.2 backported [03:20] none of which are easy jobs [03:20] and I'm afraid I'm zonked and about to go to bed so not able to do any tutoring tonight [03:20] but do stick around [03:21] kdevelop RC probably the easiest of those if you want to start and know what you're doing already === vorian is now known as oldschool === oldschool is now known as obama === obama is now known as heHATEme === heHATEme is now known as TheMaster === TheMaster is now known as master [03:28] Riddell: ok i will look for more info and start to work [04:25] ScottK: so there's no goal to be debian free? [04:26] master: I don't see a reason to want that. === master is now known as vorian [04:26] as a long term goal [04:26] No. It's in our interest not to fork. [04:26] it would be cool to stand on ones own two feet [04:27] It's cooler to have great stuff to deliver. [04:27] true [04:27] I was seriously posing the question [04:28] There are things about debian, just like ubuntu, I'd like to see go away [04:28] I don't think inheriting from Debian stops us doing stuff we want to do and we get great benefit from it. [04:28] true [04:28] ok - passing thought thwarted [04:28] thanks for the chat ScottK [04:29] it is interesting to see there is ZERO difference in the nazi tactics of the ops team [04:29] I thought that was supposed to change [04:29] vorian: That's not really what this channel is here to discus. [04:30] k [05:00] Debian Free? [05:16] :-( [05:16] http://identi.ca/conversation/54528951#notice-54993851 [08:01] hi Riddell [09:10] It's october 10th, 10 hour 10 minutes! [09:10] lies [09:10] it was 1 hour ago (;) [09:10] not in Central European Summer Time ;) [10:17] Kubuntu 10.10 podcast! http://webbaverse.com/media/kdemu-0x0014 [10:20] Riddell: I really think your capture settings are wrongish ;) [10:20] apachelogger: if only I knew how to fix them [10:20] it doesn't help that skype keeps changing the capture volume of my microphone [10:21] well, that is just fine, I think you need to reduce the volume of the capture mixer itself [10:22] to me it sounds like skype changes the mic volume while the caputre remains the same making for an overall too loud signal from capture [10:22] just a guess though [10:23] what's the difference? [10:23] Riddell: does disabling the 'allow skype to change volume' setting help? [10:23] mfraz74: it probably would but I didn't have time for the recording [10:23] Riddell: will listen to the podcast later hopefully [10:24] or rather gamaral didn't, he had a flight to catch [10:26] Riddell: I am not exactly sure how those two mixers are connected to each other but I would guess that mic is the actual input while capture is a software mixer, which would make a too high caputre volume a software amplifier for mic I guess [10:27] apachelogger: hmm, maybe [10:31] jussi01: have you noticed we have flags up to celebrate new Kubuntu release? [10:31] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty : Past, Present and Futur : I think we should have something like that early on [10:40] apachelogger: what for? [10:42] Riddell: to see how far we have come [10:43] ok, put it down [10:46] debfx: kpk should issue an update of the sycoca *before* displaying apps one just installed and one might start now, seeing as it provides immediate access to the apps it should make sure that the sycoca was updated [10:46] eh [10:46] dantii not here ^^ [10:46] debfx: consider that a work assignment :) [10:49] hm, qtcreator 2.1 beta [10:50] so... any ideas what to put on the banner on kubuntu.org [10:50] <3 Freedom <3 [10:51] Riddell: what banner would that be? [10:51] the one that currently has a 10.10 1 day to go pic on it [10:54] preferably ideas in the next 15 minutes please :) [10:56] Riddell: the maverick meerkat has arrived [10:57] Kubuntu 10.10 - A New Dimension of Awesome [10:58] hi Riddell [10:58] Riddell: happy kubuntu release :D [10:59] thanks ROSHA [11:00] 10 minutes to go... [11:00] Riddell: im downloading from torrent :D [11:01] Riddell: did Daniel Holbach speak about me with you ? [11:01] ROSHA: me mentioned someone would say hi [11:01] ROSHA: you're into artwork? [11:02] Riddell: yes [11:02] you have 5 minutes to make a banner for kubuntu.org :) [11:02] :D [11:02] Riddell: sure [11:02] Riddell: with what title ? [11:02] from 10 minutes to 5 in 2 minutes [11:02] that's fast [11:03] hi neversfelde :) [11:03] hi ROSHA [11:03] neversfelde: how aree you man ? :D [11:03] fine, how are you? [11:04] neversfelde: not bad , just alive :) [11:04] ROSHA: "Kubuntu 10.10" [11:04] Riddell: do you have any slogan ? [11:04] ROSHA: hehe [11:05] Riddell: what size ? like this in web site ? [11:06] \o/ [11:06] ROSHA: 500x250 I think [11:06] Riddell: im working on it :) [11:07] Riddell: ad UDS ... "samba sharing" ... maybe we should expand that to sharing in general I recon sharing right from your desktop is a very important thing to do, e.g. uploading pics to facebook or flickr [11:09] * Riddell rolls a drum [11:10] ITS PARTY TIME! [11:11] thank you all for your valuable efforts [11:12] whee! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release [11:12] party music on! [11:12] * Riddell hugs apachelogger [11:12] * Riddell dances with Quintasan [11:13] * Quintasan turns on neon lights [11:13] * Riddell lifts neversfelde into the air [11:13] * nigelb torrents kubuntu this time [11:13] Riddell: follow my previous artworks from my blog : http://roozbeh.us and also via planetkde.org === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Do not read past this - today is party day - 10.10!!! Congrats, thanks, hugs and kisses to everyone \o/ \o/ \o/ |||| Not Party releated foo: | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | test final candidate images http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [11:14] * apachelogger hugs everyone and gets out the champagne [11:14] \o/ [11:15] * Riddell pours Nightrose some of apachelogger's champagne [11:15] yay :D [11:15] uhhh :D [11:15] now if we had a proper party bot... ^^ [11:16] * Nightrose could invite the insanity :D [11:16] :) [11:16] :D [11:17] oh no! [11:17] insanity: order party for everyone [11:17] * insanity is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time. [11:17] * insanity is back and slides party down the bar to everyone [11:17] it's insanity [11:18] this channel is going to be like one of those crazy amarok channels! [11:18] hmmmm looks like she lost the party plugin :( [11:18] maybe amarok developers are getting calmer in their old age :) [11:18] lol [11:18] never [11:19] apachelogger, Nightrose, Quintasan, neversfelde, ROSHA, nigelb: hey, let's all group hug sabdfl when he's not expecting it [11:19] :D [11:19] :O [11:19] fullack [11:19] * apachelogger is all for group hugs [11:19] hehe [11:19] sabdfl: group hug! [11:20] sabdfl: group hug! [11:20] i'm in :-) [11:20] * nigelb hugs sabdfl and everyone! [11:20] * Tm_T huggles all, how unsuspectful [11:20] Im in! [11:20] well done team kubuntu [11:20] * Nightrose hugs sabdfl [11:20] tight, tough cycle, but you pulled it off [11:20] * apachelogger proposes a group hug of the whole channel :D [11:20] * apachelogger hugs sabdfl and everyone else too [11:21] * Quintasan hugs #kubuntu-devel [11:21] apachelogger: you do know Im going to hug you at UDS? [11:21] be afraid! [11:21] :D [11:22] * Nightrose wishes she could come too - but alas i'll be enjoying SF instead ;-) [11:22] and remember, jussi is Finish, he'll probably hug you straight out of the sauna [11:22] Riddell: ewwwwwwwww :P [11:22] actually, Im an aussie :D [11:22] hm [11:22] sticky hugs [11:22] hm [11:22] ... [11:22] :P [11:22] jussi: that doesn't count [11:22] apachelogger: don't get any ideas° [11:22] Nightrose: how so? [11:22] lol [11:23] jussi: you've been there long enough to get sauna assimilated [11:23] ha! [11:23] Nightrose: ooh SF, we'll be in the same country, you can come over for a drink in the evening [11:23] hhahahahahhaah [11:23] Riddell: haha [11:23] actually i'll be in boston first [11:23] then MV/SF [11:23] dang, US of A didn't let me in or else I'd be meet you all at the end of the month [11:24] *meeting [11:24] Tm_T: was it desktop or alternate powerpc ISO you tested? [11:25] Riddell: desktop [11:25] Nightrose: how come insanity forgot how to party? [11:25] apachelogger: dunno [11:26] apachelogger: I told you, the amarok devs are getting old, settling down, no more parties for them [11:26] nigelb: which is why one should not have conferenced in the USA I suppose :( [11:26] but it's OK, they can join the Kubuntu parties! [11:26] Riddell: no more spunk :( [11:26] Riddell: very kind of you ;-) [11:27] * apachelogger travels to the lands of ~/src/svn/ [11:27] apachelogger: yes, agreed. [11:28] Nightrose: maybe the parser is foobar [11:28] clearly the rbotbar code is of so poor design it makes my head spin [11:28] is it just me, or links to torrents on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download do not work (except DVD)? [11:28] it was like the second thing I ever programmed I think ^^ [11:28] insanity: order party [11:28] * insanity gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti. [11:28] * insanity turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball. [11:28] apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-) [11:28] * insanity starts shaking her tight ass [11:28] there we go [11:28] * apachelogger dances with insanity [11:28] Oo [11:28] insanity: you're back! :D [11:28] hey, Nightrose :D [11:28] * Nightrose pets insanity [11:30] Nightrose: does amarok have visualizations yet? [11:31] i think thecrasher was working on something but not sure [11:31] so I have heared, not seen much yet though ^^ [11:32] probably just rumours to keep the users at bay, eh? :P [11:33] Mamarok: welcome to the party! === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Do not read past this - today is party day - 10.10!!! Congrats, thanks, hugs and kisses to everyone \o/ \o/ \o/ |||| Not Party releated foo: | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:33] * Riddell puts a party hat on hunger [11:33] Hi Riddell. [11:34] hunger: how's 10 10 for you? [11:34] Riddell: I am using it since the archives became available... so no change:-) [11:38] Riddell: You guys forgot to break my x installation two times which you did every ubuntu release I ever tried before... so it went rather well. [11:39] mgraesslin: hear that? must try to find more breakage in X drivers in 4.6! [11:45] :-P [11:46] I have hear a nice breakage with 4.6 and nouveau driver which is not yet present in 4.5 [11:46] so we are working on it [11:47] <3 [11:47] mgraesslin: shame I'm using closed binary drivers ): [11:48] I installed nouveau today again to fix that regression [11:48] I would use nouveau only if it would support power management [11:51] same here with radeon [11:52] especially since my GPU fan sounds like a helicopter on highest setting ^^ [11:53] good thing Intel isn't broken.. oh wait [11:53] :D [11:54] * apachelogger ponders reinventing likeback [11:54] about http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block : it says "Choose which version of Kubuntu 10.04.1 LTS you would like to download:" and then shows 10.10 and 10.04, that somehow doesn't make sense.. [11:55] Nightrose: btw, should you run into teo some time, tell him that ruphy forces me to make likeback a proper library and that he should send me a list of things he would require for amarok of such a library [11:55] apachelogger: feel free to tell him in the other channel ;-) [11:55] ah [12:02] Riddell: you can use this banner for web site :) : http://imagebin.ca/img/UCFhcSz.png is it OK ? [12:03] yofel: hmm, data centre is hammered, hard to update [12:03] ROSHA: lovely, can you do it with the Ubuntu font? [12:03] yes [12:03] Riddell: can you send me the font ? [12:04] oh i have it :) [12:04] dont send :p [12:29] Riddell: btw, the news timestamp stays 09 oct, supposedly you should set it to 101010101010 [12:29] s/stays/says [12:37] ROSHA: how's it doing? [12:38] Riddell: we are partying at the Munich Nokia office in the OVi sprint :) [12:39] greets form the other KDE folk :) [12:39] Mamarok: hug them for me (: [12:40] Riddell: it's finished.... [12:40] Riddell: sorry im at work and im a bit busy.... [12:40] Riddell: but it's finished ;) [12:40] working on a Sunday? it's as bad as canonical :) [12:41] Riddell: :D [12:41] Riddell: here in iran sundays is second day of the week [12:41] Riddell: our weekend is friday :p [12:42] Only Friday? [12:42] * persia would expect most folk to get Thursday off also [12:42] persia: yup [12:42] Oh my! [12:42] persia: are you iranian ? [12:42] I'm not. [12:42] persia: you nick name is a iraninan name :) [12:43] your [12:43] No, it's a Roman word to insult Iranians that has been adopted as an identity in the past 30 years for complex sociohistorical reasons, but sorta, yeah :) [12:44] wow :D [12:44] ROSHA: where can I find the image? [12:44] * persia means no insult, really [12:47] Riddell: you can use each one do you like : http://imagebin.ca/img/uwCRfVgQ.png && http://imagebin.ca/img/JWcsyu0.png [12:48] Riddell: the fonts are diffrence [12:48] lovely [12:49] ROSHA: nice (: [12:50] Tm_T: your welcome :) [12:52] funny how 10.10 announcement in kubuntu.org is dated almost 13 hours ago (: [12:52] Riddell: ^ :P [12:52] told ya [12:53] Tm_T: because being late is a bad trait [12:53] and being way early might mislead people (: [12:53] hmm.. so i have no plasma-desktop... [12:53] considering we advert release being happened 10:10:10 and not several hours before that [12:53] shadeslayer: what did you do now? [12:54] Riddell: this banner is for kubuntu.org index or announcment ? [12:54] apachelogger: no idea .. i just logged in and no plasma-desktop :D [12:54] shadeslayer: bug report [12:54] apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1958583 [12:54] dear mr. plasma, where have you gone? [12:55] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release updated [12:55] also, plasma-netbook works fine [12:55] /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_notifications.so [12:55] ROSHA: ^^ also will do front page now [12:55] interesting [12:55] shadeslayer: you should get dbg symbols and trace that properly [12:55] * Tm_T huggles Riddell [12:55] shadeslayer: seems a bug in the notification plasmoid kills plasma [12:55] apachelogger: thats what im doing, but itll take some time [12:56] Need to get 222MB of archives. < :( [12:56] * apachelogger still does not quite understand why they do nothing about one plasmoid being able to drag down the whole friggin desktop [12:56] apachelogger: any way to remove that plasmoid from plasma right now? [12:56] well [12:56] most likely it has to do with the config [12:57] so moving the plasma-desktop-appletrc out of the way should do the trick [12:57] or plasma-applet-desktoprc, something like that [12:57] my desktop looks like chromium OS right now -.- [12:57] uh [12:57] lets us make a chromium OS edition :D [12:57] :P [12:58] Riddell: great ;) [12:58] imagine the money we can make [12:58] ... [12:58] \o/ i haz desktop again [12:58] * apachelogger wonders what is on for lunch today [12:58] liquid bread? [12:59] nah [12:59] heh, "This phenomena happens just 12 times a year: Americans write the date correctly." [12:59] we had champagne earlier [12:59] uh, idea, ... Kaiserschmarrn ... [12:59] apachelogger: hrm, what is that? [12:59] when did we release? [12:59] wp:kaiserschmarrn [12:59] 10:10:10 BST [12:59] err UTC [12:59] ~wp:kaiserschmarrn [12:59] ~wp kaiserschmarrn [12:59] Results for kaiserschmarrn: 1. Kaiserschmarrn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 2. Kaiserschmarrn – Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserschmarrn | 3. File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kaiserschmarrn-mitPreiselbeeren.jpg [12:59] [3] This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below. Commons is a freely licensed media file repository. You can help. [13:00] ah, there we go [13:00] :O [13:00] shtylman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html [13:00] we have insanity \o/ [13:00] Riddell: if you would like , i can contribute with kubuntu developers in artworks and wallpaper of kubuntu 11.04 and also unique plasma desktop confuguring.... [13:00] which insane person named the bot insanity [13:00] nigelb: it might have been markey [13:01] insanity dates way back [13:01] ... [13:01] nigelb: question is ... what time was it released :) [13:01] shadeslayer: look at the timestamp of that mail? [13:01] apachelogger: that kaiser thingy looks taisty [13:02] aww [13:02] one hour late [13:02] ROSHA: fooey, too large for the front page, needs to be only 160 high I think [13:02] nigelb: it is [13:02] nigelb: i was looking for time at the bottom [13:02] shadeslayer: it was on time per UTC [13:02] though I am not from Austria I can confirm that Kaiserschmarrn is very tasty :-) [13:02] Riddell: for header ? [13:02] oh great then [13:03] ROSHA: yes [13:03] Riddell: wait :) [13:04]