[00:04] hi there [00:05] seems I somehow killed all my window-stuff with a 9.10 kubuntu [00:05] the taskbar only consists of vertical lines [00:06] window title and window borders are also only pixeled stuff [00:06] Using ubuntuone-kde, I can't get it to show me the "add this computer" page. I had it set up before but now that I've reinstalled it with the latest packages from the ubuntuone-kde ppa its not completing setup <----so plants vs zombies would run in ubuntu 10.4 using ubuntuone-kde? [00:06] any hints to get out of this? [00:06] using u1sync --authorize does it help?? === muzer is now known as MuzerAway [00:08] try: [00:08] u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; u1sdtool -c [00:09] the u1sdtool -q line does nothing [00:09] I've been trying that [00:09] I'll try the u1sync --authorize line [00:11] "u1sync --authorize" returns "u1sync: error: no such option: --authorize" [00:11] do you have ubuntuone-client-tools? [00:11] yes [00:11] hum strange === MuzerAway is now known as muzer [00:34] bascially every ubuntuone terminal command throws up a lot of dbus errors. Is that a bad sign? [00:35] http://pastebin.org/82877 for example === mren is now known as mren|off [00:51] im connecting with "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid {"essid"} enc {enc}" and it doesnt give me any errors but i cant load web browser and connect. any ideas on how to resovle this issue? === sh1ft3d is now known as sh1ft33_1 [02:05] some one know how to use this? === mike is now known as Guest35940 [02:10] what angelcon [02:22] !rules [02:22] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [02:22] @rules [02:23] hey, anyone knows how to use modem-modeswitch? [02:57] hey everyone [02:57] is there a chance log for Kubuntu 10.10 i can look at? [02:58] nobarking: in konsole do dmesg [02:59] moetunes: i mean change log* [02:59] oh - don't know about that sorry [03:38] which file are $PATH entries stored in? Starting to make more use of shell scripts and custom commands, would be nice if I didn't need to specify the path each time i want to use one [03:41] i tried to ugrade from 8.10-9.04-9.10-10.04 but something happened wrong between 9.10 and 10.04. the package manager and upgrade manager doesnt work, and the mouse doesnt work. it telling me to proceed with the upgrade but nothing happens. what do i do? [03:41] SporkWitch: have a look at .bash_profile [03:42] deborah: i've noticed sometimes if it asks for authorization (your password) it doesn't always bring that window to the forefront. check a task manager bar to see if there's a window asking for your password === rackIT is now known as rackIT_AFK [03:43] moetunes: normally stored where? [03:43] SporkWitch: in your home dir [03:43] moetunes: i shut all the windows. how do i bring it back up w/o rebooting? [03:43] oops... wrong person. :) [03:44] deborah: the upgrade manager? [03:44] the upgrade manager wont come back up now. [03:44] i dont know where to find it. the package manager will come up though, [03:45] deborah: in alt+F2 type sudo update-manger -d iirc [03:45] or in konsole [03:46] do i includ the iirc? [03:47] either way it reads, " the update manager cannot be found" [03:48] iirc = If I Recall Correctly [03:48] deborah: what happens if you type sudo update-manager ? [03:49] dasKreech: sudo: update-manager: command not found [03:50] might be time for sudo apt-get install -f [03:51] moetunes: so if i don't see a .bashrc or .bash_profile in ~/ i should be able to create a file and just enter the correct path entry i want added, save the file with the name .bash_profile, and it should pull all settings from the default, and add in my added path listing. is that correct? or do i need to create an entire .bashrc and/or .bash_profile from scratch? [03:51] done. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:52] SporkWitch: those files should be there - do you have "show hidden files" enabled in the file manager? [03:52] moetunes: i do most file operations from the terminal, i used locate .bashrc and locate .bash_profile [03:52] some example files in usr/share/doc but nothing in my ~/ [03:53] one of my friends said it might be better to do a clean install from a 10.04 disk but he was concerned that it might destroy the boot manager that lets me get into vista. [03:54] deborah: does lsb_release say you have 10.04 ? [03:54] deborah: i used the kubuntu 10.04 amd64 DVD (can provide link if you want to paly it safe and use exact same as me) and it automatically added an entry to boot my Win7 drive [03:54] anyone else in here use colibri? [03:54] i had the same worry, so i even installed the boot manager in a different HDD and cahnged my boot order, just in case [03:54] lsb_release is 9.10 [03:54] deborah: I'd say unless you have a crazy amount of custom scripts it's probably always better to do a new install. Having said that I always upgrade [03:54] it loads win7 fine, and it set that up automatically [03:55] yeah. all of my files are saved on my thumbdrive. [03:55] deborah: you could try to install the update-manager [03:55] dasKreech: some of us have crap internet, so downloading ISOs and reinstalling tons of apps is a pain lol, especially since Germany likes to send nastygrams if you pass too much data lol [03:56] SporkWitch: check if /etc/skel has a bashrc [03:56] moetunes: it does [03:56] ok colibri, that I've got working just fine, I have another issue, my windows don't maximize all the way, there's a large gap at the top where the add widget and show all windows buttons are, how can I fix this? [03:57] SporkWitch: I would copy that - cp -iv /etc/skel/bashrc ~/.bashrc [03:57] slooksterpsv: right click on the panel those buttons are on, modify panel settings, and "allow windows to cover" under "more setings" [03:57] cp -iv /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc [03:57] d'oh lol [03:57] is there a bash_profile in there too? [03:58] SporkWitch - uhmmm not seeing that [03:58] will have to check, but when i do what you say, it asks me to overwrite... wtf isn't it showing it lol [03:58] i have a disk that was made by my friend who said that it was error free. i havea list of what programs that i like to use on kubuntu, and all my files are already saved. so if it is easier just putting the disk in, than trying to retry to get the ugrade manager to work i would do that. i just dont want to loose vista because i sometimes need it, but i lost the laptop disks. [03:58] SporkWitch: You pull more data doing an update. At least on the CD the programs are compressed before sending to you [03:59] dasKreech: for the update itself, yes, when you factor in all the other stuff you get to download again and reinstall (such as about 50 or 60GB worth of game clients), upgrading is a more viable option lol [03:59] deborah: apt-cache search update-manager [03:59] oh nvm got it, thanks =D [04:00] KDE is giving me a rough time :( [04:00] slooksterpsv: np :) [04:00] awww [04:00] * dasKreech hugs slooksterpsv [04:00] KDE takes some getting used to if you're used to gnome, but i like it a lot more. more flexibility and customization, from what i've seen [04:00] Bad kde! Be smooth [04:00] (and gnome is ugly :P) [04:00] haha [04:01] haha, now I lost the widget that shows all your windows open like an expose type mode, what is that called [04:01] dasKreech: i get four different update managers. gnome, kde, hidon and text. [04:01] dasKreech: *hildon [04:01] slooksterpsv: you lost it, or it's underneath a window? [04:01] nvm it's still there, phew, yeah gnome and lxde are my cup of tea [04:01] deborah: what's the textone say? [04:01] no when I'd go over the top left hand corner area, it would show, but now it has to be completely at the top left [04:02] slooksterpsv: you'll learn to love it. OR ELSE :P [04:02] slooksterpsv: oh, did you do autohide instead of "allow windows to cover" ? [04:02] dasKreech: update-manager-text - Text application that manages apt updates [04:02] SporkWitch: the biggest trouble I had tonight was getting the folder view to stay sized at what I resized it to [04:03] deborah: Funky. I guess that's not installed? [04:03] SporkWitch: Can Cover is what it's set to [04:03] i turned off auto-hide on my panels because sometimes it'd be finicky since one of my monitors is a shorter vertical resolution than the other. i just use "allow windows to cover" and it lets me have full-size windows without worrying about auto-hide wonkiness (and alt+f1 will open the menu by default) [04:03] deborah: what does apt-get upgrade do ? [04:03] slooksterpsv: what would it do? [04:03] dasKreech: should update the list of available packages IIRC [04:04] SporkWitch: I know but I'm trying to figure out if deborah has all the updates needed [04:04] dasKreech - I'd resize it, and it would resize itself back to the size it was when I started [04:04] dasKreech, the only way I fixed it was by installing kde-full and restarting, that fixed it, oddly enough [04:04] dasKreech: thought you were asking what the command did lol [04:05] dasKreech: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [04:05] sudo apt-get install update-manager-text [04:05] and it makes the mouse die, so i have to plug in an external mouse. [04:06] it is fetching something now [04:06] dasKreech: it is fetching something now [04:07] dasKreech: Setting up update-manager-text (1:0.126.10) ... [04:08] dasKreech: Selecting previously deselected package update-manager-text.(Reading database ... 120959 files and directories currently installed.)Unpacking update-manager-text (from .../update-manager-text_1%3a0.126.10_all.deb) ... [04:08] try update-manager -d now [04:08] urk [04:08] wait [04:08] update-manager [04:08] You don't want -d [04:08] dasKreech: k waiting [04:08] sudo update-manager [04:09] dasKreech: still get command not found [04:11] g\9 [04:11] i must have messed up when i took the laptop home, between the upgrades, because when i rebooted the boot manager asked me if i wanted to fix some files and i typed in yes. [04:11] update- then press tab twice [04:12] ok I have another question, I like colibri, it's not bad, but is there a way I can get the gnome notifier in KDE, the one that's black, transparent and with white text? [04:13] moetunes: ok, so there was no .bash_profile, but there was a .bashrc. I created my own .bash_profile just now, following this example: http://home.ubalt.edu/abento/linux/terminal/addtopath.html So, this should make it so all terminals i open, as well as any GUI links, should now look for commands along the added path, correct? The main goal was to be able to execute a shell script via an entry on the kmenu, and to make it faster and [04:13] easier, i wanted to have it check there for the script (i.e. instead of making the link read: ~/scripts/scriptname modifiers; I could just have the link read "scriptname modifiers") [04:14] (have a few downloads going via WINE, dont' want to interrupt them so can't relog to test heh) [04:14] dasKreech: k. i pressed tab twice with the updatemanager-text, and i get a list of programs and files [04:15] SporkWitch: you'll prob have to logout/login to get the bash environment used === Shaun__ is now known as Shaun [04:15] moetunes: yup, just wanted to know if it SHOULD work lol. i can't test it immediately due to the downloads I have going in WINE (finicky in the first place, i try not to test its patience lol). [04:16] heh [04:16] moetunes: the "should work" that i'm going to take that response for is sufficient for the time being lol [04:16] brb. someone is at the door. [04:17] moetunes: you "heh," I say that downloading massive game clients at less than 250KB/s TWICE because EVE's installer crapped out the first time when the screensaver came up is NOT FUN lol [04:17] * SporkWitch misses when CCP supported a dedicated Linux client [04:17] they should drop the macheads, and go back to supporting linux; all the macheads just bootcamp anyway lol :P === SporkWitch is now known as SporkWitch|AFK [04:25] hey what's the dark theme that kde used to have called, it was a slick black theme, almost like an inverted oxygen theme - SporkWitch deborah - you guys seem in tune with kde [04:28] this theme, what's it called: http://www.notmart.org/images/plasmakde41.png [04:31] slooksterpsv: the one i've been using is like "obsidian coast" or something close to that [04:31] mostly greys and blacks [04:33] ??? that doesn't do my panels? [04:33] slooksterpsv: yeah, that looks like the obsidian theme i have, came pre-installed with kubuntu 10.04 amd64 dvd [04:33] it should... [04:33] should be under the "appearance" settings [04:33] last tab [04:34] ??? [04:34] I went to colors and changed that [04:34] applications -> settings -> system settings -> appearance -> Colours -> Obsidian Coast. [04:34] and that should change your panels as well (it did for me at least lol) [04:34] right, I did that, it didn't do my panel though [04:35] and you hit apply? [04:35] yup [04:35] haha, KDE hates me [04:35] style -> workspace -> oxygen [04:36] oh thank you that is [04:36] it [04:36] yup, now i get to wonder why when i set mine back to oxygen, my panels aren't black again.... lol [04:36] and i get to blame you, since i wouldn't have changed it if i weren't checking to see if it worked lol [04:37] haha [04:37] KDE is a pain cause it takes more time to modify things to optimize how you want it to look than Gnome, no offense, they need to get rid of the notification thing in kde [04:38] m'eh, it'll hopefully sort itself out after i relog the session [04:38] do like Gnome is doing or implement Colibri [04:38] i'll worry about it if/when these downloads every finish [04:38] haha [04:41] kopete has too many menu items and icons, reminds me of how messy msn is; the notifications are huge, auto hide, but gather up quickly if you can't click on them to close them quick enough; changing the color scheme is complicated too, Workspace? for real? yeah call it something that normal people find it under haha. what else... I understand the fine tuning, but they need to change it to where its easy for new users - probably my fave p [04:41] oh and KOffice [04:42] back... [04:42] slooksterpsv: just use pidgin for chat [04:42] oh I'm using pidgin lol can't stand kopete [04:42] slooksterpsv: i've not been able to find a multiprotocol chat client better [04:43] slooksterpsv: and i still prefer thunderbird for mail, especially since it's the only one i've found that actually is built to play nice with googlemail [04:43] Empathy would be nice in gnome, if it had some more options [04:43] Evolution does, really well, especially for the calendar [04:43] delete actually deletes, starring is supported, and there's also archive to archive the mail instead of delete [04:43] eh, still prefer thunderbird. only complaint i have is that apparently the lightning calendar plugin for it (which i loved in the windows version) doesn't seem to be supported by the current linux thunderbird app [04:44] oh really? [04:44] ouch [04:44] yeah [04:44] haven't looked too deeply into it though, just downloaded, tried ti install, and got an error [04:44] i figure i'll look into it later, i don't use it all that much, it's just a nice convenience [04:45] SporkWitch|AFK: ...back... the black one that i use (when i use a black one) is Magnesium [04:45] in any case, AFK again, gonna grab a shower and get ready for work so I can just head out the door when it's time, instead of staring at this clock worrying about getting distracted and not having time to get ready lol [04:45] deborah: will check it out. it's not wanting to change the themes for me at the moment, think it's just being stubborn and a session reset ought to fix it [04:46] reboot. bbs [04:46] but yeah, AFK [04:46] * SporkWitch|AFK is AFK [04:48] phew, I have a lot to learn with KDE, I know XFCE well, LXDE, Gnome, KDE has just, ever since 4.0, I've disliked it cause it seemed big and bulky [04:50] yay the upgrader is working! [04:51] deborah: what are you upgrading to? [04:51] 10.04 [04:51] slooksterpsv: from 9.10 to 10.04 [04:52] nice lol [04:52] I went from Ubuntu 10.04 to Lubuntu 10.04 to Kubuntu 10.04 (following Psychocats install and uninstall instructions) [04:52] it froze up, and this channel helped get it going. [04:52] YAY! [04:53] ubottu > kde [04:53] KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [04:53] this was orignially a ubuntu system, but i liked some of the programs on my friends kubuntu. [04:54] see that's why I want to use Kubuntu, I like a lot of the programs, especially how with kwrite you can rotate images [04:54] what proggys do you like [04:54] ubottu Slook > kde [04:55] ubottu kde > Slook [04:55] i like the organizer/planner (i have to look its name up [04:55] Kontact [04:55] lol. the personal information manager and kontact [04:55] pim = kontact lol oddly [04:55] k. [04:56] I would have thought kontact was the address book [04:57] yeah it's integration is better than Evolution and Zimbra- but I like Evolution for its interface, gnome like, and zimbra cause of its evolution like interface, I don't like zimbra cause I can't write back to my google calendar, and evolution, I wanted more of the items like it has in Kontact [04:57] slooksterpsv: I take it you aren't on KDE 4.5 ? [04:57] i like tomboy. and i leave sticky notes everywhere to remind me, and notebook sticky notes are better than putting real sticky notes all over the laptop. :) [04:57] dasKreech - I think it's KDE 4.5, it's whatever Kubuntu-desktop installs lol [04:58] slooksterpsv: Are you on 10.10 ? [04:58] dasKreech - no 10.04 [04:58] *.1 [04:58] 10.04 installs 4.4 [04:58] ahhh ok [04:58] 4.5 should be part of the 10.10 upgrade today, i should think, though === SporkWitch|AFK is now known as SporkWitch [04:58] deborah: haven't really used Tomboy too much, I like it, but never really used it a whole lot - can't say I care for the Mono bindings either [04:59] slooksterpsv: The notifications are way better on 4.5 I jumped on a live CD the other day and was surprised by how annoyed I was with the 4.4 :) You can install colibri as well if you like [04:59] There is a KDE version [04:59] dasKreech - I'm using Colibri, hate Kubuntu notifications [04:59] now with the notifications, can you tell it to ignore some apps? [05:00] ***looks up colibri*** [05:00] i've noticed that pidgin integrates properly with the little notifier applet in the system tray, but it ALSO integrates with the one that gives me messages about updates, packages that'll make something run better, etc. [05:00] SporkWitch: yes [05:01] rather annoying when the little applet does it perfectly, but the main one leaves all the login/logout notifications there until i close them, one by one, even if they are hidden until i click the button lol [05:01] Forget wehre but I used to play with it. It's not super granular which is quite un KDE like [05:02] yeah, when i hit "system tray settings" one of hte toggles is for application notices, but that sounds like it might also include system update notifications and the like, the stuff that i DO want it telling me about lol [05:02] be nice if it timestamped the notifications, too.... lol [05:03] so I may have to download the Kubuntu RC and try it out [05:03] slooksterpsv: the release is tonight.... lol [05:03] AFAIK kubuntu and ubuntu releases are simultaneous [05:03] or they try to be [05:03] heck, the kubuntu site says it's ALREADY available lol [05:03] so Kubuntu 10.10 is tomorrow? last time I thought they released Kubuntu's like a week after Ubuntu's latest release... could be wrong [05:04] dunno, maybe they're making an extra effort since it's version 10.10, releasing on 10/10/10, and the current theory is that it will release at 1010 GMT [05:04] kind of hard to pass up that cheese / marketing potential lol [05:04] lol. i forgot my original question. is it better to upgrade to 10.04 or do a clean install? [05:05] deborah: everyone seems to recommend clean install; me? i just spent over 20 hours downloading installers and the like on this POS DSL connection, i'm NOT doing that again [05:05] i'll use the upgrade option lol [05:06] i feel like i've stepped back in time to the mid-90's or something, the last time i had internet this slow and ****ty was when i didn't have internet at all lol; amazing really, i'd always heard most of the EU telekoms were great, but germany clearly not so much lol [05:07] deborah: depends on how much you like redoing your setup [05:07] (this is of course an exageration; i still remember how fast my first 14.4k modem was at the time lol; still compared to the 15-20Mb/s i'm used to, 2Mb/s DSL sucks) [05:07] SporkWitch: sorry to hear that. i dont have much on it, since most everything is saved on my thumbdrive, but i didnt consider the time. last time i had to REinstall vista all the updates and patches took 3 days. [05:07] slooksterpsv: No They all release on the same day [05:07] slooksterpsv: It's one server :) [05:07] i dont think the upgrades for 10.04 should take too long. [05:08] deborah: well, assumign they release the DVD iso, it shouldn't be too much trouble, just the one big one and a few random codecs and other dependencies [05:08] deborah: only reason you had that big patch-up when you first install 10.04 is that it's not brand new, so stuff's been updated (including the kernel) [05:10] :| I don't want to change my OS again, but I have a feeling I'm going to be going back to Ubuntu with Gnome lol, KDE and me are just not friends we're archenemies [05:11] don't do it! ubuntu is a gateway OS! it leads to windows! [05:11] lol :P [05:11] SporkWitch: k. after the nightmare that vista was, kubuntu is a dream. [05:13] deborah: that's not saying much, but yeah, these days a first time linux experience is amazing after windows, vista especially. that being said, win7 isn't so bad from a gamer's perspective. you've gotta run windows anyway for a lot of stuff, and if you've gotta do it, win7 is the first version to not make me feel dirty after booting [05:14] ouch, ok Kontact is messing up on me clipping and that [05:14] my friend lost an adquaintance back to ms from kubuntu because of gaming. [05:15] yeah. luckily for me, most of my PC gaming is EVE Online these days, which has excellent linux support in WINE. At the moment it's looking like i'll only need to boot to windows for FFXIV, which so far isn't a big deal, since until the first couple content updtaes come out, there's really not much to do in that game yet (though it shows a ton of promise) [05:15] i dont know what some people see in games that make you earn a living in the game to the point you dont earn a living for reals. [05:16] then one of my mates plays WoW and he's finally got a computer again, so i might drink myself into a coma and play that with him again (hate that game so much, but keeping in touch with friends, y'know how it is), and that runs well in linux as well from all reports [05:16] dunno. my first MMORPG was the pay-per-hour NWN game on AOL in 1991 (first graphical MMORPG ever released), with a whopping 50 simultaneous player capacity on the single physical server that ran it lol [05:17] WoW and halo. i havent gamed since FFX [05:17] Loved FFX [05:17] * lost a friend to WoW and halo. i havent gamed since FFX [05:17] been playing them ever since, almost all the major ones, several of the not-so-big ones. Managed a social life, full-time job (more than full-time, really, I'm military), and at times a girlfriend as well. [05:17] slooksterpsv: Technically going back to Gnome is still using the same OS :) Different environment though [05:18] hehe yeah, I like Gnome me and it are best buds :D [05:18] someone should port koffice to gtk, that'd be cool =D [05:19] If you run it under Gnome it takes on the Gtk look [05:19] deborah: i feel your pain. WoW, Halo, iProducts, Windows, 99% of what's on radio and tv, it's all the same: prefab trash that's managed to become popular in spite of overwhelming mediocrity at best, utter ****tacularness at worst. And what's worse, other products try to mimic them, and make themselves worse as a result, or ruin potentially good games by trying to copy them instead of going for originality [05:19] not with mine, it takes the qt look [05:19] KDE and Qt does a lot of work to be compatible [05:19] lol unless there's an option I can change [05:19] ah I guess it depends on which Qt you have. You can turn on a gtk look in Qt [05:20] really? [05:20] gtk is gnome, and Qt is KDE? [05:20] dunno, i've just always preferred KDE. gives me more control, behaves better, i like the apps better, and it's usually looked better. if nothing else, almost any feature in gnome, i've seen in KDE, while the reverse cannot be said [05:20] SporkWitch: i stopped watching tv a long ago--except for rare events like dr. who. [05:21] one thing glaringly missing from gnome is borderless windows [05:21] deborah: pretty much the same here. i don't even have tv where i'm living now lol [05:21] deborah: firefly, farscape, doctor who, babylon 5 [05:22] I guess for what I use, gnome is perfect, where with KDE I struggle to find it, yet LXDE and XFCE I can find what I need quickly and effortlessly... odd, well LXDE I had to learn a few things, like setup xfce4-power-manager to get power management to work [05:22] once those were canceled there wasn't much left worth watching, though Sanctuary is pretty neat, and i confess that I'm addicted to True Blood (though I just wait and buy the season on Blu-Ray for 30-50 instead of paying 30-50/month for HBO lol) [05:23] slooksterpsv: but you'd be doing the same with anything else, is my point. any time you try to learn something new you have to find where everything is. at least it's not like windows where they change things around for no reason. I was ready to shoot someone the first time i tried doing tech support on a vista machine, absolutely nothing was in anythign even approaching a logical place. [05:23] SporkWitch: i like firefly/serentity, and dr. who. dont know much about babylon 5 or farscape, except that my friend who does know them gets made when i describe farscape as " it' s kind of like star trek..." he gets speechless. [05:23] SporkWitch - yup and they even changed it in windows 7 haha [05:23] slooksterpsv: not trying to talk you out of going gnome, merely saying, your primary complaint is that it's different, not that there's really anything wrong with it, y'know what i mean? [05:24] yeah, it's with me and using it lol [05:24] deborah: i'm going to send you a file, please give it executable perms and run it ^_- [05:24] don't ever call farscape star trek again lol [05:25] SporkWitch: please forgive, but i am very hesitant to exept files from people i dont know. [05:25] deborah: seriously though, those two are probably the greatest pieces of modern science fiction since Star Trek: TNG, Star Wars, and the original Doctor Who [05:25] deborah: lol [05:25] alrighty you guys I'mma try KDE/Kubuntu for a few days, and upgrade to 10.10 [05:26] good choise, slooksterpsv! [05:26] *choice [05:27] deborah: if you can get hold of a copy, pick up the complete series of Farscape, it's only 40 or 50 USD, and they just released the complete box set on DVD a few months back [05:27] deborah: you'll be glad you did. likewise for Babylon 5, though that one's harder and pricier. I was able to track down all 5 seasons for US$200 as a set on half.com and the movie collection for another 40 or 50 [05:27] deborah: in both cases, though, worth every penny, some of the greatest sci-fi ever made. [05:28] SporkWitch: i will check it out. [05:28] * Diziara hasn't watched B5, but she can certainly second the recommendation about Farscape. [05:29] i have watched 2 seasons of Andromeda, and like it. it seems to be a mixed bag. some episodes are good, and some are mediocre. [05:29] let's put it this way: nearly every episode of B5 was written or co-written by the creator (this is a guiness record for most episodes of a single series written by the same person). there are clues in the PILOT that aren't explained or understood until the end of the first season, some not until the 3rd and 4th [05:29] every character has a trap door written in, so that if the actor had to leave for some reason, it would make sense and not feel like a kludge or a shark-hop [05:29] SporkWitch: i like stories like that [05:30] scripts were ALL written 6 episodes in advance, so there was plenty of time for changes and adjustments, because you knew what was coming [05:30] no piece of science-fiction is more deserving of the word "art," in my opinion [05:31] SporkWitch: kind of like star trek ^__^ [05:31] Funny thing is a lot of people seem to not like KDE's environment cause they feel that it has too many things to flip but love the apps cause they can get them to do exactly what they want [05:31] farscape isn't on THAT level, but it's stil a great, unique, original, and amazing series. if you do get the box set of the series, make sure you also get the movie "peacekeeper wars" (the series finale ends with "to be continued" and every fan in the world rioting lol, that movie is the REAL finale) [05:32] dasKreech: you're behind the times, this channel is now about Sci-Fi lol [05:32] I was noticing that :) [05:32] thanx! i will let my friend know. he drones on a bout it ending in a cliff hanger. [05:32] he also rants about primeval ending on a ciffhanger. [05:33] deborah: oh yeah, i used to as well until a friend showed me that movie. it picks up within minutes of the series finale and gives closure to everything. [05:33] haven't seen that one [05:33] dasKreech: if it bothers you we can take it elsewhere, but i figure as long as no one's asking questions / questions are getting answeed, it's kosher [05:33] *answered [05:33] There is #kubuntu-offtopic [05:33] british sci-fi with a good set of characters, but goes wrong halfway through the first season. [05:33] You can geek out there [05:34] oops, sorry. [05:34] dasKreech: np :) [05:34] * dasKreech taps slooksterpsv on the shoulder [05:35] #kubuntu-offtopic if you are joining them in the stars :) [05:35] dasKreech is a party pooper :P (j/k) [05:35] * dasKreech plays a weak horn [05:36] dasKreech - ??? [05:37] slooksterpsv: Just saying that if you were part of the SciFi chat it's moved :) === SporkWitch is now known as SporkWitch|AFK === slooksterpsv is now known as Turkey === Turkey is now known as Slook === 20QAB7HT0 is now known as reb [05:48] i just noticed. both the package server for kubuntu 9.10 is running dl all of the updates and patches AND the updater is running updating 9.10 to 10.04. should i turn one of them off and if so which one? [05:49] uhh... I have no clue, I'd leave it as is for now... [05:49] same here- don't mess with 'em [05:50] k [05:50] 30 minutes to go for the updater to complete. bbiab. === SporkWitch|AFK is now known as SporkWitch [05:53] SporkWitch: best not to do the afk thing in the ubuntu channels mate [05:53] moetunes: really? [05:53] yeh [05:54] !away [05:54] You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» [05:54] fair enough [05:54] old habits die hard, heh [05:54] : [05:54] :] === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [05:57] !busy [05:58] how do you have ubottu tell others messages? [05:58] oops OT, sorry moving to OT [05:59] lol [06:00] !lol | slook :] [06:00] slook :]: Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks. [06:00] that's haow :] [06:00] how even :] [06:00] haha ok === carlos is now known as Guest77289 [06:03] hi === Guest77289 is now known as Ludd [06:03] hi [06:03] oi [06:03] olá [06:03] Ludd: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. === walter is now known as Guest20194 [06:06] !pt | Ludd [06:06] hi Ludd [06:06] Ludd: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. [06:06] I think he needs portuguese..? [06:06] haha Ludd please don't flood === sh1ft3d is now known as sh1ft33_1 [06:15] no [06:15] ok [06:15] do you speak portuguese? [06:15] is anyone good with networking in here? [06:15] moetunes [06:15] Ludd: I don't sorry [06:16] sh1ft33_1: depends on the question. network side yes, specific to linux, maybe lol [06:17] but you recognize it [06:17] ? [06:17] Ludd: I took a guess with the ola bit... :] [06:18] sh1ft33_1: What can we help ya with? [06:18] when's 10.10 kubuntu releasing ? [06:19] soon... [06:19] ok question, when I click on links with Pidgin it opens konqueror, I don't like konqueror [06:19] check your upgrade manager every now and again 'cause it will depend on the mirror you use [06:20] anirudh24seven: Soon[TM] [06:20] oh so question is, should I remove konqueror or try to modify the default? [06:20] Slook: that wasn't a question :] [06:20] ok [06:20] (damn, alt-0153 doesn't work lol) [06:21] Slook Many things lol [06:21] anirudh24seven: seriously though, the current theory is 1010 GMT, since it's version 10.10 releasing on 10/10/10 [06:21] Many things [06:21] hey moetunes i can't connect to server [06:21] SporkWitch: oh ok [06:21] have you got a solution? [06:21] anirudh24seven: note that i said "theory," not "deadline" lol [06:21] SporkWitch: lol [06:21] I fixed it lol that was easy lol [06:21] Ludd: which server and how? [06:22] it tells I'm bot from brazil [06:22] starlink [06:22] Ludd: are you using an open proxy or similar? [06:23] there is no how i connect in there [06:23] Ludd: if not try a diff nick [06:23] not that I know [06:23] I tried many as possible [06:24]