[00:00] <hello> penguin42 what do i do
[00:01] <hello> Anyone
[00:01] <penguin42> hello: It's marked as a high priority bug with a fix committed so I'd expect to see a fix come out very soon; I think if you tell X that your two monitors are above each other rather than side by side it might work
[00:01] <Ken8521> hello: well did you get ubuntu to boot again
[00:01] <hello> one sec
[00:02] <Ken8521> it sure sounds like thats his problem..
[00:03] <hello> Ken8521 it booted
[00:03] <Ken8521> hello: try penguin's fix first, setting the monitors "on top of" each other, rather than side by side
[00:03] <hello> ok
[00:04] <Ken8521> penguin42: just reading the responses to that bug.. it looks like .. it looks like folks are adding a PPA, and installing "xorg edgers" whatever the heck that is
[00:04] <Ken8521> seveal on that report say it works
[00:05] <penguin42> Ken8521: xorg-edgers is a bleeding edge X build, it's newer than the newest thing you can imagine; it breaks in different ways
[00:05] <Ken8521> hmm
[00:05] <penguin42> Ken8521: If you find yourself on a machine where the shipping X is too broken it's certainly worth a go
[00:05] <hello> Ken8521 its working
[00:05] <Ken8521> penguin42: yeah,i guess.
[00:05] <Ken8521> hello: lol, seriously?
[00:06] <hello> Ken8521 yes really
[00:06]  * phil42 smiles  :)
[00:06] <Ken8521> the dual displays, or you successfully booted
[00:06] <hello> Ken8521 both
[00:06] <Ken8521> woot.. i win.. i got it working before it shutdown..
[00:06] <Ken8521> lol
[00:06] <phil42> whew, i was just about to ask my mom for bus ticket money
[00:06] <Ken8521> lol
[00:06] <Ken8521> man, and he didn't accuse me of trying to steal his IP either
[00:06] <Ken8521> lol
[00:07] <hello> Ken8521steal ip ?
[00:07] <hello> Ken8521 what even is tht
[00:07] <phil42> sh, don't tell him
[00:07] <Ken8521> hello: some idjit this morning, asked me for help w/ remote desktop, and accused me of trying to steal his IP...lol
[00:07] <Ken8521> and truth was, i didn't even ask him for his IP address, i asked him if remote desktop was seeing his network IP..lol
[00:08] <hello> Ken8521 what is staealing a ip
[00:08] <Ken8521> hello: if you don't know.. it's not a big deal.. don't worry about it.
[00:08] <Ken8521> but as of an hour ago, he was still begging for help in #ubuntu
[00:08] <Ken8521> lol
[00:08] <hello> its been a hour ?
[00:08] <Ken8521> so, sing the hallelujah chorus, hello's problems are solved
[00:09] <Ken8521> hello: it's been a while, but me and him had our issues this morniing.. i jsut sit in both channels, thats all.
[00:09] <Ken8521> i always miss ubuntu+1 after the release.. it makes me sad
[00:10] <dvheumen> hi, I seem to have hit a bug, but I can't find anything about it on launchpad. I was hoping someone could confirm this. I'm running Ubuntu Maverick RC. The problem: If I select another language at GDM login, I get the Localization settings of this language, but I don't get the translation of the GUI
[00:11] <hello> i wonder what they will put in ubuntu 11.00
[00:11] <Ken8521> hello: well, considering there won't be an 11.00.. probably not
[00:11] <hello> bye Im only using xp now
[00:11] <Ken8521> theymight in 11.04 though
[00:12] <Ken8521> you mean all that damn work, and you're not even gonna use ubuntu?
[00:12] <hello> i kiddinf
[00:12] <Ken8521> lol
[00:12] <hello> bye
[00:12] <Ken8521> dude, i was about to track you down
[00:13] <devunt> countdown is change to "It's almost here!"
[00:13] <devunt> *changed
[00:14] <Ken8521> !countdown
[00:14] <Ken8521> isitoutyet
[00:14] <Ken8521> !isitoutyet
[00:15] <Malkavian__> so hello is going back to a 10 years old OS?
[00:15] <milaz> dvheumen: if you enter System -> Administration -> Language Support, are all checkboxes on on your language?
[00:15] <Ken8521> Malkavian__: i think he was being facetious
[00:15] <meerdack> only an idiot would revert to xp
[00:15] <Ken8521> at least i hope so, especially after i spent an hour working out his problem
[00:16] <Malkavian__> what was the problem?
[00:16] <devunt> I mean, countdown banner.
[00:16] <devunt> :)
[00:16] <Ken8521> some dual display nonsense w/ Intel
[00:16] <Malkavian__> oh..
[00:16] <Ken8521> half a screen worked, one was upside down, or some craziness like that
[00:16] <dvheumen> milaz, I'm currently running my native language (Dutch) and everything is translated and stuff. The strange thing is that when I log in and select English (US) in the bottom at GDM I still get the user interface translated to Dutch (but with US English localization)
[00:17] <dvheumen> milaz, it was installed in English, only after installation have I installed the Dutch language packages
[00:17] <phil42> i'm exhausted,  i hope it comes out soon
[00:18] <phil42> afk
[00:22] <rypervenche> How will I have to go about updating my sources, e.g., my Pidgin PPA will need to be updated. Will I have to copy my sources list before I upgrade then manually add them again?
[00:24] <dvheumen> milaz: and the answer to your question: both translations and spell checking/writing aids are checked (for both Dutch and English)
[00:25] <Kurdistan> when will maverick stable be released?
[00:25] <Kurdistan> it is 10.10.10 here :)
[00:25] <milaz> dvheumen: oh, i see. What do you mean saying "user interface translated to Dutch (but with US English localization)"?
[00:25] <Daekdroom> Kurdistan, it'll be released at UTC time
[00:25] <milaz> US units and Dutch words in interface?
[00:26] <milaz> and week starting from Sunday?
[00:26] <Kurdistan> UTC time?
[00:26] <Malkavian__> !isitoutyet
[00:27] <dvheumen> milaz: okay, so I'm at the login screen. I click my name, select some other-than-system-default language in the bar at the bottom and then enter my password and log in. The result: GUI with still the default language (words and sentences), but the way the date and time is displayed has changed to the language I have selected.
[00:27] <penguin42> dvheumen: If you do echo $LANG what does it say ?
[00:27] <penguin42> dvheumen: The default or the one selected?
[00:28] <Pr070cal> anyone know if nvidia drivers will be fixed ?
[00:28] <penguin42> dvheumen: Or probably a better question is which of the outputs of the 'locale' program are correct/incorrect?
[00:28] <phil42> which nvidia card do you have?
[00:28] <phil42> and which driver doesn't work for you?
[00:29] <phil42> oops, i forgot, i am afk
[00:31] <dvheumen> penguin42: sorry for the delay ... was installing something. Okay LANG=en_US.utf8
[00:31] <dvheumen> penguin42: and this is the selected one
[00:31] <Kurdistan> how is the closed drivers under maverick rc now? slow?
[00:31] <penguin42> dvheumen: And how about the other outputs of locale ?
[00:32] <dvheumen> penguin42: could you elaborate, if you mean outputs like date and time: they are correct in the UI and it's in English format when I execute 'date' in a terminal
[00:33] <penguin42> dvheumen: if you just run the command     locale    what does it say?
[00:33] <dvheumen> everything, except for LANGUAGE is set correctly, LANGUAGE=nl_NL:en_US:en
[00:34] <dvheumen> so nl_NL is set as the default, and I had selected en_US during login
[00:34] <penguin42> dvheumen: Interesting, mine doesn't have anything called LANGUAGE
[00:34] <penguin42> (but I'm running en_GB.utf8 only)
[00:35] <dvheumen> I did click 'apply system-wide' at both Language and Text tabs, maybe that sets something
[00:36] <Pr070cal> phil42: i have an asus 8400gs 256 silent and driver is the nvidia-185 i think the 2.60 ver
[00:36] <dvheumen> so I'd better file a bug then
[00:37] <peto_> bye
[00:38] <phil42> my 8400GS is running great with the 256.53 driver, but right i am running the 260.19.06 driver
[00:39] <Pr070cal> hmm not sure why mine isnt working ?
[00:39] <phil42> which unbuntu version are you using?
[00:39] <Kuba> phoenix_: it is working okay on ubuntu 10.04
[00:39] <Pr070cal> xserver doesnt start
[00:39] <Pr070cal> 10.10 RC
[00:39] <Pr070cal> 64-bit
[00:39] <phil42> i am running 10.10 rc (with updates)
[00:40] <phil42> 64 bit here too
[00:40] <phoenix_> Kuba: so the problem is with the os
[00:40] <phil42> you have to disable the nouveau driver first
[00:40] <Pr070cal> phil42: http://ca.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9936393
[00:40] <phil42> boot with nouveau.blacklist=true
[00:40] <Pr070cal> phil42: i used blacklist
[00:41] <phoenix_> Kuba: did you check the bug reports for 10.10
[00:41] <step21> hey, nybody using an advanced/different ui like gnome shell etc. on 10.10?
[00:41] <Kuba> phoenix_: I think I have already checked it
[00:41] <l32007> Its almost here
[00:42] <phoenix_> Kuba: no bug report regarding this?
[00:42] <Malkavian__> !isitoutyet
[00:42] <Pr070cal> phoenix_: oh thats not the correct post anyway but i get no signal on screen
[00:42] <Kuba> phoenix_: Can't find anything
[00:42] <l32007> I wonder if they fix that installer bug i reported with the width being to small.
[00:42] <phil42> you had it running, then you got updates and it stopped working? is that correct?
[00:43] <step21> what's the terminal command to display the distribution version again?
[00:43] <phoenix_> Pr070cal: correct post?
[00:44] <phil42> Pr070cal did you check dmesg and Xlog?
[00:44] <phoenix_> Kuba: can you wait till the full release and see if the bug is gone
[00:45] <Pr070cal> phoenix_: xorg log doesnt output as it never starts
[00:45] <l32007> im stuck with an old kernel, (due to a bug in updating)  anyone know how to access the grub-pc update thing after an update
[00:45] <Pr070cal> brb i try blacklist
[00:45] <Kuba> phoenix_: possibly, that is a bug i can live with, at least for 2 days ;p
[00:46] <Kuba> phoenix_: Though I will be trying to trace it carefully, since I don't beleive official release would change something
[00:46] <ChogyDan> l32007: what is missing?
[00:47] <ChogyDan> l32007: you may just be looking for sudo update-grub
[00:47] <phoenix_> Kuba: may be there is some problemm with the driver.http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=586783
[00:47] <l32007> no, grub itself is uptodate
[00:47] <l32007> its just not configured
[00:47] <ChogyDan> l32007: well, just run that anyway, it is harmless
[00:48] <l32007> Its this bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/657103
[00:48] <l32007> yeah
[00:48] <Kuba> phoenix_: yeah, now I trying to compile boradcom's driver
[00:48] <penguin42> l32007: I'd try running update-grub if you can
[00:49] <phoenix_> Kuba: good luck
[00:49] <l32007> alright, i assume it updated the linux kernel image
[00:49] <l32007> 2.6.35-22-generic
[00:49] <Kuba> phoenix_: heh, thank You for the great help :)
[00:50] <l32007> alright, i think that fixed it thanks for your help
[00:50] <phoenix_> Kuba: you are welcome
[00:50] <phil42> why must the narwhal be natty?
[00:50] <phil42> i could be normal
[00:51] <phil42> *it
[00:51] <l32007> it could also be nasty
[00:51] <l32007> or neglectful
[00:51] <ariakus> why maverick doesnt support sis video or flash out ofthe box? where\s progression, same shit each year
[00:51] <l32007> or nutritious
[00:52] <l32007> because ubuntu is commited to providing only FREE software
[00:52] <MaverickOne> ariakus: that is an issue with sis not supporting linux
[00:52] <MaverickOne> also please keep the language clean
[00:52] <l32007> should be a simple .deb install now tho
[00:52] <l32007> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[00:52] <l32007> (unless you have 64 bit like me)
[00:52] <ariakus> sis should not support anyrthing, linux should
[00:52] <MaverickOne> lol
[00:52] <penguin42> ariakus: If you just install the flashplugin-installer package it should do it all for you for flash
[00:53] <MaverickOne> wrong
[00:53] <l32007> its like saying windows should support running compiz
[00:53] <MaverickOne> How can linux support hardware if the vendor doesn't provide source code and makes it almost impossible to get
[00:53] <ariakus> why should I install anything for basc tasks?
[00:53] <phil42> i guess Pr070cal isn't coming back
[00:53] <l32007> its not like that, its the developers problems
[00:54] <SporkWitch> my question's easy: what's the normal process ot update from 10.04 to 10.10?  Never done a major update in linux before, just clean installs and random package updates.  I'm using Kubuntu 10.04, specifically, if this makes a difference on the process.
[00:54]  * phil42 is afk
[00:54] <penguin42> ariakus: I'd agree it would be good, but some hardware vendors make it difficult to do that on purpose
[00:54] <l32007> The update manager tells you that there is an update when you refresh
[00:54] <ariakus> there's an ultimate developing technics called reverse ingeneering
[00:54] <penguin42> SporkWitch: Wait until the release, run update-manager and it should do it all for you
[00:54] <SporkWitch> ahh, easy enough then lol
[00:54] <SporkWitch> thought the release already happened? what time zone do they run on?
[00:54] <penguin42> ariakus: Yeh that's effectively what's starting to happen for the Nvidia stuff - but it'll be a long process
[00:54] <SporkWitch> (it's already 0200 here lol)
[00:55] <penguin42> SporkWitch: No one is saying, some people are saying in about 12 hours
[00:55] <FireCrotch> SporkWitch: I imagine they're aiming for 1010GMT
[00:55] <SporkWitch> FireCrotch: i like that assumption, i already noticed that 10.10 comes out on 10/10/10 :P
[00:55] <ThomasWaldmann> 42!
[00:56] <l32007> it passed 10.10am in the easten states of australia about 30 mins ago
[00:56] <SporkWitch> any good resources that summarize the changes and improvements from 10.04 to 10.10?
[00:56] <TwoD> Still about 8hrs left in Sweden then...
[00:57] <TwoD> and everywhere else too I guess if they go for GMT <_<
[00:57] <TwoD> *GMT 10.10
[00:58] <Pr070cal> phil42: nope no luck with nouveau.blacklist
[00:58] <macer1> when maverick will be released?
[00:58] <Pr070cal> phil42: i just hope its fixed in final :)
[00:58] <l32007> soon
[00:58] <l32007> lol
[00:58] <l32007> the site says its almost here
[00:58] <Malkavian__> !isitoutyet
[00:58] <ChogyDan> SporkWitch: there will be release notes
[00:58] <l32007> there will be a note here when its out and on http://release-blog.ubuntu.com/
[00:59] <Pr070cal> phisher1: nv driver works fine ?
[01:00]  * TwoD crosses fingers for 10.10 GMT and goes to bed. =)
[01:01] <macer1> launchpad says "37 minutes" to ubuntu 10.10 :D
[01:02] <macer1> but 30 minutes ago it was "less than 20 minutes" lol
[01:02] <l32007> where i cant find it?
[01:03] <macer1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.10 - "expected in 37 minutes"
[01:03] <l32007> oh, and now ubuntu ubuntu-10.10 is expected... wait for it
[01:03] <l32007> 2 minutes ago
[01:03] <l32007> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick
[01:03] <Malkavian__> they send it to the mirrors already
[01:04] <milaz> bye all!
[01:04] <l32007> bye
[01:04] <macer1> malkavian: where?!
[01:04] <l32007> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick
[01:05] <l32007> there
[01:05] <rww> pretty sure that's just related to when certain packages finish building ;P
[01:05] <rww> it's not some magical official counter
[01:06] <l32007> lol yeah
[01:06] <l32007> nah, i think its been set to 10/10/10 12.01 am whatever time
[01:07] <MartyMcFly> 10.10.10. 10:10
[01:07] <Ken8521> l32007: but 1202, in one time zone
[01:07] <Ken8521> frankly, i agree w/ MartyMcFly 10:10.. just not sure what time zone
[01:07] <Ken8521> btw MartyMcFly awesome username.. one of my all time favorite trilogies
[01:07] <MartyMcFly> :)
[01:07] <l32007> nah, the launchpad would mostlikely not have an ability to set an exact time
[01:07] <MartyMcFly> UTM i hope
[01:08] <Ken8521> it realy doesn't matter to me
[01:08] <MartyMcFly> UTC
[01:08] <Ken8521> my system is up to date
[01:09] <macer1> there is no where download links :/
[01:10] <Ken8521> macer1: sure there is
[01:10] <l32007> go download the rc lol (joking)
[01:10] <Ken8521> why not?
[01:10] <Ken8521> you can update/upgrade it to final
[01:11] <l32007> it clutters their servers
[01:11] <l32007> and they'd rather everyone wait
[01:11] <Ken8521> wahh.
[01:11] <Ken8521> then take down the rc's
[01:11] <rww> If you haven't seen it already, #ubuntu-release-party exists :)
[01:11] <Ken8521> their servers are gonna get bombed in the morning, so it doesn't matter
[01:11] <macer1> i can't update because i have oooold 9.04 :/
[01:11] <macer1> and i have too slow internet to update
[01:11] <l32007> shipit.ubuntu.com is the answer cor you macer
[01:11] <Ken8521> macer1: well download the rc and reinstall.. :).. it's better anyway
[01:11] <l32007> for*
[01:12] <Ken8521> shipit takes to long
[01:12] <l32007> 4-6 weeks
[01:12] <l32007> but you get 2 ubuntu stickers lol
[01:12] <Ken8521> l32007: 9.04 will be EOL end of the month
[01:12] <fiber> I'm trying to boot into the new 10.10 liveCD, but when I do the boot hangs with the error http://pastebin.com/ePMbtx3L then it drops into busybox saying it couldn't open /dev/loop0 .  I've asked dr. google and it seems the problem has to do with dmraid, so i disconnected all my raid devices but this still happens!  does anyone have an idea as to what is happening?
[01:12] <Maka> Hey there :) I have a problem that I could really use some help from someone more experienced with linux than me.
[01:13] <l32007> whats your problem maka
[01:13] <penguin42> fiber: sr0 is the CDrom drive, so it sounds more like cdrom than RAID
[01:13] <l32007> you cant exactly dissconnect the cd drive
[01:14] <fiber> penguin42, hrmm.. true say.  let me unplug the CD drive also and see what happens
[01:14] <Ken8521> sure you can
[01:14] <l32007> try do a live USB
[01:14] <fiber> l32007: i'm installing through a USB key
[01:14] <l32007> oh good
[01:14] <Maka> I was using 10.04 and was working perfectly..i love it! but then the other day i did the update to 10.10rc, everything seemd to go fine, rebooted after update complete, acts fine through login then i get purple screen and i can see and move my mouse cursor.. but no gnome menu's ever show up. i cannot alt-f2 to get ot a run command.. buti can ctl-alt-f1 to a command line
[01:15] <fiber> faster rw, i'm very impatient! heh
[01:15] <Maka> so i loggd in as me, tried sudo apt-get check ubuntu-desktop.. it was fine, nevertheless i tried removing and then reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <Maka> still didnt help
[01:15] <l32007> hmm
[01:16] <l32007> whats your video card?
[01:16] <Maka> i created a new user and rebooted... tried logging in as them... same problem. i'm stumped
[01:16] <Maka> plz help?? i'm very new to linux and dont know what else to try
[01:16] <fiber> penguin4: hrm, strange.  it seems to be working.  I had an ubuntu CD in the drive, but i chose to boot through the USB... i wonder why it's looking at the CD!
[01:16] <Maka> video card.. umm... well it's the one that comes in toshiba satellite pro p505 laptop
[01:17] <Maka> it was working perfectly before the upgrade
[01:17] <penguin42> fiber: Good question!
[01:17] <Pr070cal> Maka: where you using nvidia drivers
[01:17]  * penguin42 goes to bed
[01:17] <l32007> he doesnt know, let me look it up
[01:17] <Maka> i dont know
[01:17] <l32007> he/she of course
[01:17] <fiber> l32007: so biased :-p
[01:17] <Pr070cal> Maka: ive got similar problem xserver and gdm dont start and screen get no signal
[01:17] <Maka> i do remember that it offered when i set up 10.04 to use a restricted video driver and i did so and it looked the same
[01:17] <Maka> no problems though
[01:18] <l32007> Its an ATI maka has
[01:18] <l32007> i have no experience with ati's so i cant really help
[01:18] <Maka> ooh that's another thing.. when i try to load up anything gnome related.. it gives error Gtk-WARNING**: cannot open display
[01:18] <Maka> i know just enough aboutlinux to move around in command line.. but not enough to fix anything :(
[01:19] <macer1> maka: try "export DISPLAY=":0.0"
[01:19] <fiber> penguin42: well.. the error isn't coming up, but neither is anything else!  i'm just staring at the boot animation (it should have already booted... USB2 and ddr3 ram... i assume it transfers the data to a ramfs and then boots from there)
[01:19] <l32007> Can you get to a terminal and type fglrxinfo
[01:19] <l32007> tell me the results
[01:20] <Maka> ok i will try that.. will have to reboot into ubuntu (i'm in vista right now, yuck, i've learned to hate windows now that i'm used to ubuntu) brb i'll let you know what it says
[01:20] <l32007> ok
[01:21] <step21> anyone using gnome-shell?
[01:26] <Ken8521> !isitout
[01:26] <Ken8521> argg
[01:26] <Ken8521> arewethereyet
[01:26] <Ken8521> !arewethereyet
[01:26] <l32007> !arewethereyet
[01:26] <l32007> lol
[01:27] <l32007> !isitout
[01:27] <l32007> !isitout
[01:27] <Ken8521> guess ubottu isn't the all knowing infobot
[01:27] <l32007> !ubottu
[01:28] <l32007> !ubottu !isitout
[01:28] <l32007> !ubottu
[01:28] <l32007> !isitout
[01:29] <l32007> !wellidontlikeyou
[01:29] <macer2> :D
[01:29] <macer2> !isitout
[01:29] <l32007> !isitout
[01:29] <l32007> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg
[01:29] <l32007> !isitout
[01:29] <l32007> !isitout
[01:30] <l32007> what gives
[01:31] <Ken8521> l32007: it just doesn't like you
[01:31] <Ken8521> !isitout
[01:31] <l32007> !ubottu you suck
[01:31] <l32007> pwned
[01:31] <macer2> lol
[01:31] <Ken8521> lol
[01:32] <l32007> !isitout
[01:32] <macer2> !lts
[01:32] <sebsebseb> uhmm theres #ubuntu-release-party for stuff like that
[01:32] <l32007> !sts
[01:33] <l32007> !foo
[01:33] <l32007> !l32007
[01:33] <tsimpson> stop that...
[01:35] <Tac> my connection dropped while I was doing the upgrade on my laptop.  All packages were downloaded, and installed. it had just asked me to replace my phpmyadmin config file when I wnet offline.... now it just hangs... thoughts?
[01:36] <Ken8521> !msgthebot > l32007
[01:36] <Tac> I can't expand and see the terminal because my netbook screen cuts it off...
[01:37] <Ken8521> Tac: ditch that horrible unr interface?
[01:37] <Tac> unr?
[01:39] <Ken8521> ubuntu netbook remix(i think thats what it means)
[01:40] <Tac> yeah, don't use that
[01:40] <Tac> straight gnome
[01:40] <Ken8521> oh really?
[01:40] <Ken8521> well then just resize your terminal
[01:40] <Tac> no.... the "terminal" you can click + to see in the upgrade window
[01:41] <fiber> OK, so, I am trying to boot into a live usb but i just get stuck at the booting animation.  Now, the error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/509751/
[01:41] <Tac> I just can't see what the last lines were in it, and now it's hung...
[01:41] <fiber> and i've tried 2 different USB keys
[01:41] <Tac> I'm scared to just kill the process since it's a dist upgrade....
[01:41] <Tac> but all packages were 'installed' ...
[01:41] <l32007> guys, if maka comes back on can you tell him to type in "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg" I'm off
[01:41] <trism> Tac: you might be able to drag the window holding alt, so you can see the rest
[01:41] <l32007> cya
[01:41] <Tac> I just don't know if it's hanging on config for a package, since the last thing it did was ask me to accept changes for a phpmyadmin config file
[01:42] <Tac> trism, holding down alt did nothing I could see...
[01:42] <Tac> I just don't know what to do right here so I was hoping someone else would :)
[01:44] <sebsebseb> so to install Unity from repo, its just install Unity or netbook interface right?  and then it should work?  well wasn't the case here,  with the RC and all the updates,  maybe will  actsaully work on a desktop where the propritary Nivida driver got installed first, on a desktop, with the final hmm
[01:45] <Tac> should I cancel the process and re-run the upgrade, will it know where it left off? should I just reboot and hope all that was left was cleanup?  Any help here would be great... I just don't want to brick my laptop
[01:45] <Ken8521> sebsebseb: i believe its install unr  but i could be wrong
[01:45] <Ken8521> !info unr
[01:45] <bazhang> !une
[01:45] <sebsebseb> well #ubuntu should be fun!  (yes sarcasm, but not 100%) when loads of people start complaining about Unity not working for them, be that on a netbook or a desktop
[01:45] <step21> Tac, why can't you just let it finish to be safe
[01:46] <Ken8521> thank bazhang
[01:46] <Tac> step21, it's hung....
[01:46] <bazhang> welcome
[01:46] <donniezazen> unity is waste of time as it in now way makes your netbook a little faster.
[01:46] <Ken8521> sebsebseb: i honestly dont see how anyone uses Unity, i hate it
[01:46] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: I thought I would  do the RC earlier and get the updates, since I was going to the other day, you know before the final :) so yep did that.  Netbook ISO well  didn't get very far with that on here, since I got Nivida.  So installed from the desktop RC,  got all the updates, and installed a load in to it
[01:47] <Ken8521> even on my netbook, i'd rather use gnome
[01:47] <step21> Tac, for how long? esp. when using gui apt-get is sometimes much slower on 10.10 due to some sync functions or something
[01:47] <Tac> half hour?
[01:47] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: well yeah there are quite a few nice alternative netbook OS's out there, from what I have seen, as in webpages and such,  well I think I vm'd one or two before even
[01:47] <step21> mmm.
[01:47] <step21> on the same package?
[01:48] <Tac> it popped up asking me to accept changes to a phpmyadmin config file.... then didn't do anything for 10 min or so..... so then I tried to open the terminal, which I can't see the bottom of, and now it's hung...
[01:48] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: well its ashame really since really for  10.10 most of the effort has been done on the netbook version, that most users won't even be using,  and the desktop version isn't really that much of an improvement to 10.04
[01:48] <Tac> I can't even click the minus sign to minimize the terminal part back
[01:48] <Ken8521> sebsebseb: this is true
[01:48] <step21> Tac, well I'd prob. kill it, but I don't want you to blame me when it goes wrong ...
[01:49] <Ken8521> lol
[01:49] <Ken8521> i use Gnome on my netbook w/o issue... very strange
[01:49] <step21> sebsebseb, dunno, for me 10.10 is much more stable/polished then 10.04
[01:49] <Tac> would you re-run the upgrade though and see if it takes back over where it hung at?
[01:49] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: however then again,  this kind of stuff doesn't effect me that much personally anymore, since other distros :)  ,but even so what I was saying
[01:49] <Ken8521> but.. only window i run full size, is Firefox
[01:49] <Tac> I'm not super worried about killing it, since it got through installing everything, but I'm wondering if something else might have needed configuring
[01:50] <sebsebseb> also I got to enable the font myself right?  and it won't work in Lubuntu I guess?  which I am currently in :)
[01:51] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: I guess i'll try the final, for Unity, but will probably just end up wasting CD's
[01:52] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: well a CD,  on the other hand,  I pretty much have the final now hmm
[01:52] <Ken8521> lol
[01:52] <step21> Tac, yes, I guess I would rerun just to make sure it didn't miss anything
[01:53] <fiber> OK, so... I solved a problem but it brings up questions about how 10.10 is booting.  Basically, my bios has a floppy emulation option and when i was booting, the boot would freeze because it would try reading from this null drive.  also, when I was booting from a USB key, ubuntu insisted on reading my CD drive
[01:53]  * sebsebseb was mainly putting this on here to try Unity, but if I can't well,  10.10 won't last very long on here
[01:54] <sebsebseb> at least Plymouth seems to be a bit more fixed in 10.10, but  I am not 100% sure since this computer didn't even have 10.04 on it with issues, that was the other one
[01:54] <Maka> Thank you so much for your help guys :) you mentitoned doing fglrxinfo... i typed that and it couldnt find command... i thought perhaps i needed to install fglrx so i did sudo apt-get install fglrxinfo , it installed.. i rebooted and my desktop is back! :)
[01:55] <Maka> i'm on ubuntu right now :)
[01:55] <osubuck_> lagg
[01:55] <Maka> *doing a happy dance*
[01:56] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: so for Unity from the repo, I mean I ended up installing two, which probably wasn't really the idea, but even so should have worked I guess?
[01:56] <Ken8521> sebsebseb: i would hope so.. i don't use unity, but there's been a gazillion complaints about it.
[01:56] <sebsebseb> Ken8521: yep #ubuntu should get interesting soon, because of Unity
[01:57] <Maka> so you all were right on track.. it was my video driver
[01:57] <Ken8521> sebsebseb: indeedo
[01:58] <osubuck_> so will the geforce fx 5200 work on 10.10?
[01:58] <Ken8521> osubuck_: i don't see why it wouldn't
[01:58] <osubuck_> think i saw that xorg 1.9 wont support it
[01:58] <osubuck_> no nvidia drivers :(
[01:58] <Ken8521> i have an 7900.. pretty sure they use the same driver?
[01:58] <Pr070cal> Maka: wish i could fix mine :)
[01:59] <osubuck_> 173.xxx drivers
[01:59] <durt> hey folks, anyone tell me why kernel -22 is before -25 in my grub boot list? Just noticed it and can't remember ever editing the order.
[01:59] <Pr070cal> osubuck_: what happens after reboot
[01:59] <Ken8521> osubuck_: ok, i'm using 260...
[01:59] <osubuck_> i haven't installed it yet
[01:59] <osubuck_> im waiting for tomorrow
[02:00] <Ken8521> osubuck_: why? so your upgrade will take longer?
[02:00] <Ken8521> i don't think anything is changing in the next 12hrs
[02:00] <Pr070cal> osubuck_: i got 8400gs and i get no signal on screen
[02:00] <osubuck_> im waiting for the final ISO to be released, so i will have it burned for the future if i need it
[02:00] <trism> osubuck_: I believe 173 was recently updated to support 1.9
[02:01] <osubuck_> that would be great
[02:02] <Ken8521> ok, actually, i take that back.. i have the "Nvidia proprietary driver" according to Additional Drivers, but it works perfectly(I didn't do anything to install it.. it was available, and was marked recommended)
[02:02] <Pr070cal> i think thats the problem im having, 1.9 support problems, not sure though no output to xorg.log
[02:03] <bjsnider> osubuck_, the nvidia-173 driver has been updated and does in fact work in maverick
[02:03] <Tac> step21, so it didn't brick it :-p .... as I was rebooting, a window popped up that on quick glimpse said something about phpMyAdmin and a next button.... so I assume the upgrade-manager was wanting me to go through a few phpmyadmin config steps, and that window was just hidden to me.. and that's why the upgrade was hanging..
[02:03] <bjsnider> Pr070cal, we've been over this ground before. your card isn't supported by the nvidia driver at the moment
[02:03] <Ken8521> hmm, i just looked in synaptic, and it looks like i have 173 installed(at least thats all the nvidia packages that are installed)
[02:03] <Tac> step21, I re-ran the upgrade, it told me to do a partial upgrade, then said everything was fine... we'll see moving forward...
[02:04] <step21> Tac, yeah ... just reupgrade till everything seems up to date :) why was your terminal hidden though
[02:05] <joelz> I'm hoping to solicit some help with enabling compositing in Maverick. I've installed the latest Nvidia beta driver, but no luck yet.
[02:05] <Tac> terminal wasn't hidden... just too tall, couldn't see it all
[02:05] <Tac> ( netbook screen )
[02:05] <step21> ah okay
[02:05] <Tac> I've come across a few windows that are just too tall for a netbook screen by default... I've submitted a bug or two
[02:06]  * step21 reminds himself to never get a netbook, xpad etc. :)
[02:06] <macer1> who have download links to 10.10?
[02:06] <Ken8521> Tac: that has happened to me w/ desktop effects set to "normal".. change it to none.. and the top panel should keep it from going above it.
[02:07] <Ken8521> it actually happens occasionally on my laptop as well, so i change it to "None" and the problem goes away.
[02:07] <Ken8521> not that i care, cuz i think desktop effects are corny
[02:08] <durt> Tac, Alt-left-click to move the window around (if you don't know that already).
[02:09] <Ken8521> ou can't drag a window arond w/ just left click?
[02:09]  * phil42 has returned
[02:09] <Ken8521> phil42: should i install ubuntu 10.10?
[02:09] <Ken8521> lol
[02:09] <phoenix_> where can i download the new kubuntu font for kubuntu
[02:10] <phoenix_> sorry ubuntu font
[02:10] <Maka> To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box.
[02:10] <trism> phoenix_: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[02:10] <Ken8521> what new ubuntu font?
[02:10] <phil42> !isitoutyet
[02:10] <durt> Ken8521, ya on the top bar, but if you want it to go above the top of the screen you need to use alt.
[02:10] <phil42> try the live cd but don't install it
[02:10] <Maka> that is from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[02:10] <Ken8521> phil42: ;)
[02:10] <Maka> i did it and mine is working now
[02:10] <Maka> i'm on 10.10
[02:11] <bjsnider> phoenix_, if you're using maverick up to date you already did install it
[02:11] <phil42> hold on a second or 2, let me check something
[02:11] <Ken8521> Maka: i thought you had to change some sources list, etc.. to make that command work?
[02:12] <phil42> yes, try the live cd but don't install, wait for 10.10
[02:12] <Maka> mine worked right away
[02:12] <phoenix_> bjsnider: i am using 10.04 right now
[02:12] <Ken8521> lol
[02:12] <Maka> other than my video driver issue which you guys showed me how to fix (installing fglrx for ati from command line) my upgrade was easy
[02:12] <andril> is Maverick being delayed?
[02:12] <phil42> no
[02:12] <Ken8521> Maka: and just think, if ATI didn't suck, it would have been easier
[02:13] <Ken8521> andril: what gave you that idea?
[02:13] <phil42> it is ready and waiting for the release date to arrive
[02:13] <Ken8521> tomorrow sometime.. i'm hedging my bet on 10:10am UTC
[02:13] <Maka> yes yes :)  but even with that video driver hassle.. i love ubuntu so much and hate windows so much, it was worth the minor inconvenience and i learned something in the process
[02:13] <andril> Ken8521, many comments between the channels - thanks for setting it straight
[02:14] <Ken8521> Maka: yeah..
[02:14] <Ken8521> andril: setting what straight?
[02:14] <Ken8521> oh the release date?
[02:14] <andril> Ken8521, release date
[02:15] <Ken8521> i dunno, unless something dramatic has happened, like they're gonna actually fix Unity.... but don't get your hopes up, 10.10.10 at 10:10am, is probably it
[02:15] <andril> 10.10 on 10/10/10 waiting....
[02:18] <Ken8521> i wish VNC would tunnel sound
[02:18] <Ken8521> then i could watch movies at work
[02:18] <Ken8521> lol
[02:22] <l32007> !isitout
[02:22] <l32007> !isitnotout
[02:22] <rww> !isitoutyet
[02:23] <Maka> ok i have another question... i used to use compiz fusion on 10.04.. i noticed that compiz wasnt doing it's thing on 10.10 rc  so i went to System->Appearance and to tab "Visual Effects" to change it back to "Extra" like before.. but it gives me error "Desktop effects could not be enabled" so i'm confused.. this worked on 10.04.. same video card and  i have now installed same ati dri.ver  :( what do you think i should do to get it back
[02:23] <bjsnider> there is nothing stopping anyone from grabbing it right now
[02:23] <bjsnider> today's daily-live spin wuld have to be 99% or more of the final
[02:24] <phil42> uh oh
[02:24] <phil42> don't let ikonic read you typing that
[02:26] <Ken8521> lol
[02:26] <Maka> no ideas ? *sigh*
[02:29] <Maka> well... bye for now :)
[02:29] <durt> Can anyone tell me why kernel -22 is before -25 in my grub boot list? Just noticed it and can't remember ever editing the order.
[02:29] <Ken8521> Maka: didn't you have some sort of video card issue?
[02:32] <trism> durt: -25 is probably 2.6.32-25, and -22 is probably 2.6.35-22, which is a greater version
[02:32] <durt> trism, heh, oops.
[02:34] <Squizz> How much longer?
[02:39] <Flynsarmy> is it out yet?
[02:39] <ikonia> Flynsarmy: no
[02:40] <ikonia> Flynsarmy: join #ubuntu-release-announce to see when it's announced
[02:40] <Flynsarmy> thanks
[02:41] <joelz> I'm having the same issue as Maka. Latest driver is installed, but compositing won't enable.
[02:41] <joelz> Nvidia graphics card
[02:47] <joelz> No ideas for enabling compositing with an Nvidia card?
[02:48] <phil42> does nvidia-settings run correctly?
[02:49] <phil42> joelz?
[02:49] <avis> when is maverick released ?
[02:49] <phil42> soon
[02:49] <joelz> phil42?
[02:50] <phil42> does nvidia-settings run correctly?
[02:50] <joelz> yep
[02:50] <phil42> just checking
[02:50] <joelz> driver version 260.19.06
[02:50] <Ken8521> Joelio: sys/admin/appearance/visual effects  ?
[02:50]  * phil42 doesn't run desktop compositing but does run 3d games
[02:51] <l32007> !isitout
[02:51] <Ken8521> l32007: you're gonna get the banhammer
[02:51] <joelz> Ken8521 doesn't enable
[02:51] <Ken8521> joelz: did you restart after enabling the driver?
[02:51] <joelz> Did a couple restarts
[02:52] <Ken8521> joelz: whats your graphics card again?
[02:52] <phil42> was there this much anticipation before lucid?
[02:52] <Ken8521> phil42: there always is
[02:52] <rww> phil42: yup. if not more, since it was LTS
[02:52] <joelz> GeForce 8200M G
[02:52] <rww> well is, I guess
[02:52] <Ken8521> Joelio: i think i read earlier there's an issue w/ the 8x cards.. but i dunno
[02:53] <Ken8521> maybe install the driver from nvidia' ssite?
[02:53] <bjsnider> joelz, what does glxinfo yield?
[02:53] <bjsnider> Ken8521, DO NOT tell people to do that
[02:53] <bjsnider> ever
[02:53] <Ken8521> bjsnider: i didn't
[02:53] <Ken8521> i don't need preaching to
[02:54] <phil42> i turned on compositing just to see what would happen and i guess it worked, really don't know
[02:54] <ikonia> Ken8521: you just suggested installing a driver from the nvidia site, then said you didn't
[02:54] <Ken8521> if you want to play OP, do it w/ others.. learn reading comprehension
[02:54] <Ken8521> no id din't
[02:54] <bjsnider> you didn't just tell him to install the nvidia installer?
[02:54] <joelz> Ken8521 bjsnider I've looked into installing manually, but it looks a little over my head
[02:54] <Ken8521> ic
[02:54] <ikonia> 22:53 < Ken8521> maybe install the driver from nvidia' ssite?
[02:54] <ikonia> Ken8521: what did you mean by that ?
[02:55] <ikonia> apologies if I missunderstood
[02:55] <Ken8521> exactly what it said...
[02:55] <Ken8521> you did
[02:55] <Ken8521> apology accepted
[02:55] <ikonia> errr no
[02:55] <bjsnider> you didn't clarify what you did mean
[02:55] <ikonia> try the driver from nvidia's site
[02:55] <ikonia> you just said you didn't say that
[02:55] <l32007> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[02:56] <Ken8521> i didn't say it the way you're intrepeting it
[02:56] <ikonia> Ken8521: again, apologies if I'm miss-reading you
[02:56] <Ken8521> accepted, you are
[02:56] <ikonia> it looks like you've just suggested using those drivers
[02:56] <bjsnider> joelz, open a terminal and run the "glxinfo" command. pastebin the results
[02:56] <ikonia> Ken8521: how did you mean it then
[02:56] <phil42> i have installed the factory packaged driver recently
[02:56] <Ken8521> ikonia: it doesn't matter what i say?.. you're not gonna believe me anyway
[02:56] <ikonia> Ken8521: I am
[02:56] <Ken8521> ..
[02:57] <ikonia> Ken8521: if you could explain what you meant
[02:57] <joelz> In Appearance Preferences, I can click the "Extra" option, and the screen flickers a little, but no compositing
[02:57] <phil42> i wonder if its broken in maverick
[02:57] <Ken8521> joelz: does it enable?
[02:57] <l32007> joelz have you got propritary drivers installed?
[02:57] <ikonia> Ken8521: if you could explain what you meant
[02:57] <phil42> HE DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING
[02:58] <joelz> Nvidia driver 260.19.06 installed
[02:58] <bjsnider> joelz, open a terminal and run the "glxinfo" command. pastebin the results
[02:58] <ikonia> phil42: I don't understand how I'm miss-reading that, I'd like it explained to me what he meant by Ken8521
[02:58] <Ken8521> ikonia: i'm not teaching english here...
[02:58] <ikonia> Ken8521: if you could explain what you meant, that would be helpful, as I only read it as "try installing the nvidia.com drivers"
[02:58] <joelz> Terminal says glxinfo isn't installed
[02:58] <Ken8521> ikonia: and like i said, you read it wrong
[02:59] <ikonia> Ken8521: explain what you meant then
[02:59] <Ken8521> why?
[02:59] <l32007> he meant to go to http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and follow the prompts to install drivers ikonia
[02:59] <bjsnider> joelz, run "sudo apt-get install mesa-utils"
[02:59] <ikonia> Ken8521: because I want to know what you meant
[02:59] <Ken8521> i could talk till i'm blue in the face about what i meant, and it wouldn't matter
[02:59] <Ken8521> so just let it drop
[02:59] <ikonia> Ken8521: then just tell me what you meant
[02:59] <Ken8521> i've yet tos uggest anything remotely dangerous in this channel, do you really think I just threw caution to the wind this time?
[02:59] <joelz> installing
[03:00] <ikonia> Ken8521: then explain what you meant
[03:00] <phil42> i am just gonna mute both you guys for a little while,  read ya later  :)
[03:00] <l32007> Dont bother with ken, ikona
[03:00] <Ken8521> ikonia: i don't have to... i told you, this isn't english class
[03:00] <l32007> please clam
[03:01] <joelz> Lots of text generated by glxinfo... how should I "pastebin" without overwhelming the chat?
[03:01] <bjsnider> !paste
[03:01] <rww> joelz: copy to http://paste.ubuntu.com/, link the page it creates here
[03:02] <joelz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/509798/
[03:03] <bjsnider> joelz, that says you are using the nvidia-supplied opengl libs. you should have no problem doing compositing
[03:04] <joelz> bjsnider Using Appearances/Visual Effects doesn't seem to enable compositing.
[03:05] <l32007> have you tryed ccsm
[03:05] <l32007> type ccsm
[03:05] <l32007> and enable it from there
[03:05] <l32007> or apt-get ccsm
[03:05] <l32007> apt-get install ccsm*
[03:06] <bjsnider> joelz, wait a minute. an earlier message reads something like "i clicked the "extra" option, the screen flickered" is that right?
[03:06] <joelz> Yes
[03:06] <bjsnider> but did a message appear that said compositing had failed?
[03:07] <joelz> No. But after closing Appearances and then reopening, visual effects are set back to "None"
[03:07] <bjsnider> what if you try "normal"?
[03:10] <joelz> Screen flickers, dialog pops up asking to "Keep Settings". I confirm, but no compositing... that I can tell
[03:10] <bjsnider> but normal is not flashy
[03:11] <bjsnider> when you go back into appearance settings, is the radio button on "normal still"?
[03:11] <bjsnider> i mean "Normal" still
[03:11] <joelz> Nope. It's back on "None"
[03:12] <bjsnider> did you clean install maverick, or upgrade from another distro?
[03:12] <joelz> I upgraded from 10.04. Unfortunately, it seems.
[03:12] <joelz> Should I clean install?
[03:12] <bjsnider> no, i'm not suggesting that
[03:13] <bjsnider> compositing was fine in lucid?
[03:13] <joelz> Worked fine in Lucid.
[03:13] <bjsnider> maybe there's a userland configuration file that's in the way here
[03:14] <majnoon> anyone try maverick in virtualbox ??
[03:14] <bjsnider> can you hop into the guest account and try enabling compositing?
[03:14] <phil42> in kvm
[03:14] <joelz> Hopping. BRB
[03:16] <joelz> Couldn't enable in guest session
[03:19] <phil42> it worked for me
[03:20] <l32007> i tried virtualbox in mavrick, but not the other way round
[03:21] <joelz> This bug on launchpad sound similar... Any clues here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/630800
[03:24] <bjsnider> joelz, that's not the problem in your case
[03:25] <bjsnider> we just eliminated userland configuration files as a possible cause
[03:27] <joelz> Gotcha
[03:28] <l32007> !isitout
[03:28] <bjsnider> there could be a log somewhere that records a useful error message
[03:28] <bjsnider> maybe dmesg
[03:29] <marsfligth> Have you idea when the 10.10 final release will be available for downloadin?
[03:30] <l32007> noidea
[03:30] <l32007> just spam !isitout and you'll be the first to know
[03:30] <l32007> (jokes)
[03:30] <bjsnider> joelz, wait a minute. try this. open a console again. then type "compiz --replace"
[03:30] <marsfligth> then ill go 2 sleep. to me is 4,30 am
[03:31] <marsfligth> ill ry tomorrow
[03:31] <megatronn> i am going to do a fresh install, how can I import my ppa list from lucid???
[03:31] <joelz> The screen flickered and I got this:"compiz (core) - Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[03:31] <joelz> Launching fallback window manager
[03:31] <joelz> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"."
[03:32] <bjsnider> now that helps
[03:34] <bjsnider> joelz, http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9343886&postcount=4
[03:35] <joelz> Time to put my son to bed. I'll read up and try a little later. Thanks!
[03:40] <Rigorm0rtis> Hello, I just started the upgrade process on my home server and ran into a problem. The updater asked if I wanted to compare differences between my version of smb.conf and the maintainer's smb.conf. I chose to compare the differences side by side. I made my terminal bigger (this is over an ssh session), and the display where I was supposed to compare the files didn't scale at all and some of the buttons disappeared. So I resto
[03:40] <Rigorm0rtis> red my SSH window to the size it was and the problem was still happening, so I hit CTRL+Z to suspend the process. I then cleared the screen and tried to resume the update process with fg. Now I just get my initial command (do-release-upgrade -d) and nothing is happening. How to I resume the file comparison?
[03:41] <wxl> from what I gather canonical's head is in the uk and thus by their time meerkat is late.. when IS it coming (read: time zone)
[03:41] <devunt> hmm it's 11:40 am
[03:41] <l32007> its 1:41 in melbourne
[03:43] <wxl> I'm not asking for the time but whose time we are judging the 10th as
[03:43] <mhall119> it's not late until it's the 11th or later in all timezones
[03:46] <wxl> crap
[03:46] <wxl> mhall119: you the mastermind behind qimo?
[03:46] <mhall119> yup
[03:47] <mhall119> bwuahahaha
[03:47] <mhall119> (evil laugh)
[03:47] <wxl> thx for spoiling my child
[03:48] <mhall119> happy to ;)
[03:48] <wxl> wish laby was around when I was young
[03:48] <mhall119> I know right?
[03:48] <wxl> instead I just had a shitty language (BASIC)
[03:48] <step21> wxl, no, how is it late... the 10 th just started in the uk
[03:49] <wxl> step21: nearly 4 hours ago :)
[03:49] <mhall119> yeah, I found Q Basic on my family's 486
[03:49] <mhall119> though it took me 5 years between that first program and when I decided I actually wanted to do this for a living
[03:50] <wxl> C128 for me - dual core
[03:50] <step21> wxl, well, I don't think there was/is a rule releases have to be done immediately .... I prob. wouldn't
[03:50] <wxl> I avoiding computing as a career, pursuing small scale biology instead
[03:50] <mhall119> I never had a commodore, missed that milestone
[03:51] <l32007> so did i
[03:51] <mhall119> nor Amiga or Tandy or any of those others
[03:51] <wxl> now I'm going after a CS degree finally
[03:51] <mhall119> I got a 2-year degree in network engineering
[03:51] <wxl> you'd think I would have taken a hint composing math notes in LaTeX
[03:51] <mhall119>  then realized I hated pulling wires
[03:52] <mhall119> and spent the next 10 years doing software development
[03:52]  * mhall119 still hasn't learned LaTeX
[03:52]  * mhall119 hangs his head in shame
[03:52] <wxl> ohhhh man it's so cool :)
[03:53] <wxl> ok so in about 7 hours it's late; thx a lot, Samoa
[03:54] <mhall119> well, it's bed time on the 9th on the eastern seaboard of the USA
[03:54] <mhall119> I'm sure it won't be released when I wake up in the morning either
[03:55] <mhall119> remember, as long as it's 10/10/10 _somewhere_, it's not late yet
[03:55] <mhall119> you've got better than 24 hours before it's officially late
[03:56] <mhall119> though I'm taking bets on release in approx 12
[03:56] <wxl> Samoa is the latest UTC-11
[03:56] <wxl> realize UTC=0400
[03:57] <mhall119> so you have 31 hours before you can call it late
[03:57] <mhall119> better get some snacks
[03:58]  * mhall119 is going to sleep away the next 7 or 8 hours
[03:58] <mhall119> good night, and happy waiting
[04:02] <devunt> 12:00 in KST.
[04:09] <l32007> !isitout
[04:10] <avis> is there going to be a party ?
[04:11] <ikonia> check out #ubuntu-release-party and #ubuntu-release-announce
[04:11] <avis> thank you sir
[04:11] <ikonia> #ubuntu-release-party for noisey pointless chatter, #ubuntu-release-announce for the annoucement when it happens
[04:13] <MeltingKeyboard> hi there, does anybody know when 10.10 will be released UTC??
[04:13] <ikonia> no
[04:13] <MeltingKeyboard> I am talking to the same person lol
[04:14] <wxl> here's the latest possible time to watch http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=1033
[04:14] <MeltingKeyboard> that is hilarious
[04:14] <ikonia> MeltingKeyboard: as you where told in #ubuntu 30 seconds ago
[04:14] <ikonia> MeltingKeyboard: why did you ask again when you where just told, there is no official time
[04:14] <wxl> hahahah
[04:14] <wxl> smackdown
[04:14] <MeltingKeyboard> that is for sure, swordz told me to go here... got kinda ancy that I was talking over there
[04:14] <unknown> Not paying attention after he was bluntly told to ask here.
[04:14] <wxl> could have been a keyboard malfunction ikonia
[04:15] <wxl> it IS melting
[04:15] <unknown> Lel
[04:15] <twinkie_addict> is 10.10 that big of an inprovement over 10.4  ?
[04:15]  * unknown error.
[04:15] <MeltingKeyboard> yeah... my melting keyboard talks on its own lol
[04:16] <Semitones> there are rumors of a pirated version that's out early
[04:16] <Semitones> rumors that I'm trying to propagate
[04:16] <wxl> uh
[04:16] <wxl> yeah
[04:16] <unknown> Even broken clocks are right twice a day.. Your keyboard could've spelt something properly.
[04:16] <twinkie_addict> lol
[04:16] <soreau> twinkie_addict: There are a lot of changes in linux all the time. Most changes are improvements. On top of upstream linux components, ubuntu applies it's own patches in attempt to provide the best user experience better
[04:16] <wxl> that's funny
[04:16] <soreau> twinkie_addict: Unless you have an ancient machine on life support, you probably want the latest official ubuntu release
[04:16] <wxl> twinkie_addict: you should see the wiki
[04:16] <MeltingKeyboard> msg/ ikonia The reason I am asking here is that nobody told me that there was no official time, they just told me that I was in the wrong spot to ask. Thanks for reminding me
[04:17] <unknown> My computer is on lifesupport.
[04:17] <ikonia> MeltingKeyboard: not a problem
[04:17] <soreau> s/better/possible
[04:17] <blakkheim> what version of openssh does 10.0 use?
[04:17] <unknown> Overclocking makes winter a necessity.
[04:17] <blakkheim> 10.10 *
[04:18] <ikonia> !info openssh
[04:18] <l32007> Unknown - Overclocking makes winter a necessity.	 <- Best quote ever
[04:18] <ikonia> wow, bot must be busy
[04:18] <ikonia> !info openssh-server
[04:18] <l32007> !openssh
[04:18] <twinkie_addict> anchaint box on life suport is about right lol emachines t4130 with 370 megs of ram and 1ghz p4 prosser
[04:18] <blakkheim> still not the newest, ok thx
[04:18] <twinkie_addict> ill need to use alt install disk
[04:18] <unknown> I thought about buying a new computer, but Alaska living costs were cheaper.
[04:19] <lucent> costs are higher in Alaska, but the government -AND- the state pay you to live there
[04:19] <lucent> 'cause of oil exploration rights compensation incentives
[04:19] <lucent> something like this, I'm no legal kung-fu expert
[04:20] <unknown> Well, it was cheaper then, it's been 12 years. I need an upgrade.
[04:21] <unknown> It's offtopic, but it was funny. I actually live in Northern Ontario, the fattest place in the world(per capita).
[04:21] <wxl> btw twinkie_addict http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[04:21] <wxl> in the US it's Texas last time I checked
[04:23]  * unknown error (Read error: Connection reset by God)
[04:24] <l32007> !isitout
[04:25] <l32007> Hmmm
[04:25] <ikonia> l32007: stop asking please, you've been shown where it will be announced
[04:25] <l32007> k
[04:25] <unknown> Woah woah!
[04:25] <unknown> Where's this?
[04:25] <unknown> Don't type to much
[04:26] <unknown> Copy/paste dump is fine =)
[04:26] <ikonia> unknown: #ubuntu-release-party and #ubuntu-release-announce
[04:26] <unknown> YAY!
[04:26] <unknown> Thanks.
[04:26] <ikonia> welcome
[04:33] <huayra> hi
[04:34] <huayra> I am holding a release party tomorrow and I would like to use one of the daily releases as we are starting before the last spin is done
[04:34] <huayra> which release should I use=?
[04:34] <huayra> the RC or the last daily?
[04:34] <ikonia> wait for the final
[04:34] <ikonia> other than that it doesn't really matter, neither will be "finished"
[04:34] <huayra> I am thinkin of Ubuntu, Netbook, kubuntu, kubuntu-netbook, lubuntu and xubuntu
[04:35] <huayra> ikonia, you have probably never held a release party before the release CD is out, hjave you?
[04:35] <huayra> it is just not possible because of 2 reasons:
[04:35] <huayra> 1. the servers will be slow
[04:35] <huayra> 2. I need them by 12 or 14 at the lates
[04:35] <huayra> Most releases never happen before 15.00
[04:36] <ikonia> huayra: then hold your party the next day
[04:36] <huayra> I do not believe we are releasing at 10.10.10 10:10
[04:36] <huayra> are we?
[04:36] <huayra> ;)
[04:36] <huayra> ikonia, that's not the wsay it works
[04:36] <huayra> I will use the latest available spin
[04:36] <huayra> should I use the RC2 or the latest daily?
[04:36] <ikonia> use what you want
[04:36] <huayra> ok thanks
[04:37] <ikonia> it won't matter
[04:37] <ikonia> neither are the final release
[04:37] <huayra> true
[04:37] <huayra> but if you want rock solid you go for 10.04 anyway... 10.10 is for living in the edge users
[04:37] <ikonia> not really
[04:37] <huayra> an netbook users
[04:38] <ikonia> 10.10 is still reasonably old in terms of package release so is quite stable
[04:38] <huayra> ikonia, I would not install 10.10 in my grandma's computer
[04:38] <twinkie_addict> im loving 10.4
[04:38] <ikonia> thats your call
[04:38] <huayra> unless you want to fix computers every 18 months you should ALWAYS use the LTS for the average user and for Ubuntu enthusiasts you go with the 6 month releases
[04:39] <huayra> that's my experience at least
[04:39] <huayra> I have a life besides fixing other people PC
[04:39] <huayra> but I definitely can hold a party and installfest every 6 mnd
[04:40] <twinkie_addict> i think i like my install to much to replace before next lts comes
[04:41] <twinkie_addict> i started with cli install and have a very nice lxde with very few apps and it works like a dream
[04:41] <atheotsky> !isitout
[04:43] <twinkie_addict> does any body check the main ubuntu site ? there is ticker ther of sors its it almost here not it its here
[04:44] <rww> Considering that 10.10 isn't out yet, I fail to see the problem with this.
[04:45] <Schindler> lol
[04:45] <Schindler> what time zone do they use to relese it?
[04:46] <bazhang> no one knows. stop asking
[04:47] <twinkie_addict> i dont think they focus on time zones they just release when its ready
[04:48] <Schindler> hmmm
[04:48] <twinkie_addict> ubuntu releases seem to be some the most anticipated releases of any other distro i have seen
[04:49] <Schindler> wat about debian? lol
[04:49] <joelz> bjsnider: No dice on the xorg.conf edit. Restarted and didn't see any change.
[04:49] <Schindler> what are you trying to do?
[04:51] <twinkie_addict> i have kept up on debian proer in a wile
[04:51] <twinkie_addict> havent
[04:53] <Starcraftmazter> heys guys. As of 10.10, when im listening to music or video occasionally the sound breaks down into static, that continues for several seconds even after i pause the media
[04:58] <Starcraftmazter> anyone?
[04:58] <l32007> Whats the channel for the officcal thingo
[04:58] <l32007> the announcement
[04:58] <ChogyDan> !party
[04:58] <l32007> ty
[05:00] <bullgard4> My Maverick computer prints the dmesg line: "Using IPI No-Shortcut mode." What does IPI stand for? What does the message mean?
[05:02] <lucent> bullgard4: 'IPI' hrm... sounds swedish
[05:02] <lucent> I'm joking.
[05:02] <jeremydei> any mactel linux users in here?  I couldn't get the RC to boot on my macbook pro..
[05:02] <lucent> bullgard4: try a google search on 'cpu ipi'
[05:02] <lucent> results should be illuminating.
[05:03] <bullgard4> lucent: I will try.
[05:03] <lucent> jeremydei: by chance have you run a non-mac OS on it previously? say... bootcamp and windows tenpee ?
[05:05] <lucent> bullgard4: so I got very little useful information from that
[05:05] <jeremydei> lucent, yeah, i've run previous ubuntus and it was great
[05:05] <lucent> going back knowing it's something about interrupts, I'm looking for "ipi cpu interrupt"
[05:05] <lucent> search is much better results on those terms bullgard4
[05:06] <intrader> Anyone, should I report a bug about brasero 'Segmentation fault' on 10.10 (released)
[05:06] <lucent> jeremydei: ah, I've heard more than a few users complain that 10.04 livecd does run from USB stick, and 10.10 does -not-
[05:06] <lucent> could be a coincidence, or what not
[05:07] <lucent> intrader: probably search and find out if someone has reported it before you?
[05:08] <bullgard4> lucent: I do not understand your English in your message "search is much better results on those terms bullgard4." Say it in other words, please.
[05:09] <bullgard4> lucent: I guess it may stand for »Image Processing and Interchange«.
[05:10] <jeremydei> my theory is that the .iso is not the format my lame mac expects .. this post describes the symptom i' http://bit.ly/d0ZnGk
[05:10] <lucent> jeremydei: oh, the CD itself?
[05:10] <ChogyDan> intrader: try k3b
[05:10] <jeremydei> except, these people were having the prob with windows cds.. anyways, just seeing if any fellow mactel users had figured anything out
[05:11] <lucent> jeremydei: what is your workflow like?
[05:11] <jeremydei> lucent, I boot the CD, and from rEfit I have 3 choices, 1) efi.x64 (causes kernel panic) 2) linux from cd 3) legacy from cd
[05:12] <jeremydei> the ladder two methods, hang with 'what type of cd?'
[05:12] <lucent> ah
[05:12] <lucent> how is the cd being created?
[05:12] <jeremydei> burned it with OSx disk image util
[05:12] <Schindler> is their like a count down XD
[05:14] <lucent> jeremydei: I am unfit to help you with the mac end of things, but you could probably verify the cd image if you want to
[05:15] <lucent> find some util to generate md5sum of a data cd, for mac
[05:15] <wxl> mac? wuz up?
[05:15] <lucent> alternately try creating a bootable USB stick and put the 10.04 image on it as a test, if that works, try it with 10.10
[05:17] <jeremydei> lucent, yeah I might try another burn when the new iso comes out .. i haven't had any success with usb boot in the past (it's broke for mac), but i have had success with 'linux from cd' before .. so i was surprised the rc didn't just boot
[05:18] <hello[linux]> IP STEALIER lol jk
[05:18] <rww> o.O
[05:19] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: There is a 10.10 iso specifically made for mactel EFI, let me find it.
[05:25] <jeremydei> Jordan_U, that would be awesome!
[05:27]  * wxl has ubuntu working on his mac n used os x to burn discs, jeremydei 
[05:29] <jeremydei> wxl, hmm, did you use the efi method or legacy?
[05:31] <wxl> I just burned a live cd, ran it, liked it, and install from within ubuntu jeremydei
[05:32] <SchindlerShadow> wxl was it ubuntu 10.10?!?!?
[05:32] <wxl> from what I gather yr success with the bootloade largely depends on what machine you got
[05:33] <wxl> SchindlerShadow: no if that was the context I apologise for the confusion but I was cooking
[05:34]  * wxl devours miso soup as if he were the parents in Spirited Away
[05:34] <jeremydei> wxl, haha, ok well if it wasn't 10.10 then im not as jealous ..
[05:35] <wxl> yeah with 10.10 it spit out the cd and said it couldn't find a file system but apparently that's not a mac only bug
[05:38] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: Sorry I can't find the link right now. I'm still looking but if you need to leave soon I can tell you a different work around.
[05:39] <jeremydei> Jordan_U, I'll be connected, maybe you can pm me the link if you find it.. also would be interested in workarounds ..
[05:41] <wxl> here's the error I had https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/543875
[05:43] <ariacus> where can I get natty narval alpha?
[05:43] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: The problem , as I understand it, is that 10.10 includes support for EFI booting, which works with most UEFI implementations but not with macs. And for whatever reason, just having the EFI support makes macs unable to properly boot via BIOS emulation (which appears to me to be a bug in Apple's firmware). So you can either use a version that works with mac's EFI (which is the iso I'm looking for) or you can boot from a CD that only has BIOS supp
[05:43] <bazhang> ariacus, you cant
[05:43] <Jordan_U> ariacus: It doesn't exist yet, and won't for at least a few months.
[05:44] <jeremydei> Jordan_U, do any of the 10.10 .isos have only BIOS support?  (no efi)
[05:45] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: As far as a way to boot the Ubuntu 10.10 Live installer from a CD with only BIOS support, you can use Super GRUB2 Disk to loop boot the 10.10 iso from a file on your hard drive. It's a bit indirect but will work.
[05:45] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: I'm not aware of any 10.10 isos with only BIOS support.
[05:46] <jeremydei> Jordan_U, cool, thanks for the tips
[05:47] <wolter> do gimp keyboard shortcuts work for anybody?
[05:48] <l32007> yeah, of course
[05:49] <huayra> out
[05:49] <huayra> ?
[05:49] <bazhang> no
[05:50] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: To boot the 10.10 iso with Super GRUB2 Disk you would create a directory named "boot-isos" in the root of any partition, your Main mac partition will do fine. The name and location are important. Then burn SG2D to a CD, boot from it and choose the "Detect loop bootable isos (in /boot-isos or /boot/boot-isos)" option.
[05:51] <wolter> weird, my shortcuts don't work... not even pressing escape to escape a cropping
[05:52] <lucent> cat peed on your trackpad or something bad?
[05:53] <wolter> no cats in my house :-/
[05:53] <bullgard4> Using OpenOffice.org Base 3.2.1. I have connected to an existing database, made a form and can search in it and find strings. But how can I write in it? I did not find a recipe using the Help function.
[06:05] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: Finally found the image with mac compatible EFI support, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[06:05] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/633983
[06:05] <lucent> "mac compatible"   it's the mac that's frickin' incompatible [/rant]
[06:06] <wxl> agreed, and I own a mac
[06:06] <wxl> of course I'm over it
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> Someday PC's are supposed to start using EFI i hear.. but ive yet to see one
[06:08] <wxl> soon supposedly
[06:08] <jeremydei> Jordan_U, sweet!
[06:10] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: If you're familiar with zsync here is the zsync link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-amd64+mac.iso.zsync .
[06:11] <Jordan_U> jeremydei: If you're not familiar with zsync then get familiar. It's awesome :)
[06:11] <wxl> 0611 in the last time zone on earth
[06:19] <CowzRule> i just alt f2, and typed update-manager -d, and it said "New Ubuntu release '10.10' is avaiable" and the button says UPGRADE
[06:22] <Tekno_> cool
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> I updated/uopgraded  just a few min ago. :) so i should allready be there...
[06:23] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> hey guys
[06:23] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> anyone here?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Yes Ubuntu1010Waiter
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> 289 of us. :)
[06:23] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> true haha
[06:23] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> do you know expected 10.10 release time...?
[06:24] <nickmoeck> Ubuntu1010Waiter: When it's ready
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> there is no set time
[06:24] <lucent> Waiter, I'd like a beer for me and my friends who've read the bloody topic
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> This same stuff gets ask3ed every release....
[06:24] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> or should i go to #ubuntu channel :P
[06:24] <Jordan_U> Ubuntu1010Waiter: NO.
[06:24] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> k cool guys can't wait
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> If you had installed the rc, and update/upgraded recently.. you will have the Final. :)
[06:25] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> i know...not to go to ubuntu for 10.10...but soon 10.10 will be talked about @ #ubuntu
[06:26] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> get it
[06:26] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> OMG
[06:26] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> Dr_Willis's real name is billGates LOL :P Brilliant
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> I normally avoid the irc channels for a week after a new release.. everyone is just rambling about  the new release. and no real support questions seem to get helped. heh.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Shh... dont tell mr  Apple over there...
[06:27] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> i know sry for dumb question...
[06:28] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> im excited becz 10.10 is the first release that supports my laptop
[06:28] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> with new kernel
[06:28] <lucent> ah, yeah I'm excited too
[06:28] <lucent> this is the tenth release that supports my laptop
[06:29] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> right now i have to use sabayon to get around
[06:29] <lucent> kind of exciting.
[06:29] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> not fun...can't wait btw one real question
[06:29] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> is unity stable enough?
[06:29] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> to install for regular laptop over 64bit ubuntu GNOME
[06:29]  * lucent wtf's at 'unity'
[06:30] <lucent> time for google to bail me out
[06:30] <lucent> Ubuntu1010Waiter: I have zero experience with unity shell
[06:31] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> ah k i will have to try it out i guess
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> ive basically given up on the various netbook-interfaces.  they always seem to limit me too much.
[06:32] <wolter> ahh, it was that gimpbox thing... dont use it! its so buggy yet
[06:32] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> i like the menu on top idea but it looks too much of buggy like wolter said
[06:33] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> but if it was @ normal speed & enough features i love the idea of unity
[06:34] <Jordan_U> Ubuntu1010Waiter: Try it. If you like it, keep it.
[06:34] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> true
[06:34] <shortcircuit> Is there a specific time today when 10.10 will be available for a dist upgrade, or is it expected to vary based on mirror propogation or something?
[06:35] <snap> Hello, did anyone else get an infinite loop of "Starting File Manager" in the earlier builds of 10.10?
[06:35]  * shortcircuit was hoping he might start the upgrade before heading to bed.
[06:36] <snap> It didn't happen right away, but happened on both my hard drive and USB installations
[06:36] <snap> I am guessing it is cause I have a osx86 partition, perhaps (the EFI isn't at the start of the drive
[06:36] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> is it better to use ext3 or ext4 during installation i always have tat question & i just pick ext3
[06:37] <snap> Oh... The mac likes ext2
[06:37] <snap> Thanks for the answer, I won't install on 2 again now
[06:38] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> my real question kinda was ...is ext4 stable enough?
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> ive used ext4 for ages.. many people have had no isseues with ext4
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> the biggest issue ive had with ext4 is that some disrtos/devices (like my NAS) dont support it yet.
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> but thats rather trivial problem.
[06:39] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> ah k..i will use ext4 from now on..i never did b4 becz it would say ext4(testing) ...so i always picked ext3
[06:39] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> i guess it been while since its out
[06:39] <jonasfa> Ubuntu1010Waiter: I've been using ext4 for quite some time now. Its running very well for me
[06:40] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> ya i will defenitly use ext4 & give it a try
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> BTRFS is the new filesystem to 'test' out
[06:41] <jonasfa> On what time of the day will 10.10 be rolled out?
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> There is no set time
[06:41] <jonasfa> :)
[06:42] <jonasfa> Not even a target time? Or tip :) I'm very anxious
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> If you want it so badly.. install the rc and update/upgrade.. you will have teh final
[06:42] <jonasfa> Sure.. I'm running RC on my two PC's :D
[06:43] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> will it be real Final or most of the final?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> If you have updated/upgraded here in the last few hrs..  then you do have final allready then. :)
[06:43] <jonasfa> I just can't wait for it :P
[06:43] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> i think i will just wait than use rc
[06:43] <jonasfa> :O really? Nice :)
[06:44] <atheotsky> !isitout
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Im allready inztalling extra things for 10.10 :) that I think should be in the nect release.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/ubuntu-one-indicator-applet-gets.html
[06:45] <jonasfa> I've read about this one on omgubuntu
[06:46] <osubuck_> wonder how many hours till release :)
[06:46] <jonasfa> Gotta try it
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> I got 2 ubuntu one accounts for 2 email addresses.. i need to figure out how to merge them sometime. :_)
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Im alwyays forgetting what one im normally using for all my tomboy notes.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> about the only thing i use it for is so i an get my notes on other pc's . I was thinking it was supposed to eventually sync your user settings some how also eventually
[07:00] <Blue1> pardon my dumbness where is the iso for the ucrrent beta?
[07:01] <nemchik> never heard of ucrrent or i'd offer to help
[07:02] <asmartgoat> !isitoutyet
[07:02] <Blue1> the rc is here:  http://releases.ubuntu.com//maverick/
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> Blue1:  theres RC isos out now.. and final due out today
[07:03] <Blue1> Dr_Willis: yeha looking for final -
[07:03] <Blue1> going to try the rc
[07:03] <asmartgoat> so, when do you all think it will be out. person who gets closest gets my awe lol
[07:04] <nemchik> id love to say 10/10/10 10:10:10 AM GMT
[07:04] <Blue1> 19:12 pm (pdt) tomorrow
[07:04] <nemchik> but i dont know how easy that'd be for them to pull off
[07:05] <Blue1> oh dates can be fudged
[07:05] <nemchik> technically unix timestamps are measured from a standard GMT anyway
[07:07] <asmartgoat> i cant join the release party room lol
[07:07] <asmartgoat> i got kicked for invoking the bot
[07:07] <Blue1> hehh
[07:08] <nemchik> release party room?
[07:08] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> lol
[07:08] <asmartgoat> !ban
[07:08] <asmartgoat> just need to find that room
[07:08] <Yojimbo_> nemchik: There is no 10:10:10 AM, it's either 10:10:10 or 22:10:10
[07:08] <hifi> wow, now even chancing to a VT locks my laptop
[07:09] <darkkrai> http://pastesite.com/19249 how to fix this?
[07:09] <darkkrai> 10.10 64bit
[07:09] <Goonbridge> does anyone know when Ubuntu 10.10 gets released?
[07:09] <nemchik> Yojimbo_: true, but most people are used to reading the AM and PM so i included it for redundancy
[07:09] <asmartgoat> i think their updating it now
[07:09] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> where is release party room?
[07:09] <asmartgoat> darrki
[07:09] <Yojimbo_> nemchik: I concur, most people are not
[07:09] <osubuck_> Goonbridge: just a guess, but probably 12 hours from now
[07:10] <asmartgoat> looks like their updating it now tho with the error darkki
[07:10] <asmartgoat> showed
[07:10] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> where did it show up
[07:10] <Ubuntu1010Waiter> ?
[07:10] <Goonbridge> osubuck_: bugger, looks like I'm not upgrading tonight then
[07:10] <Yojimbo_> The alternate and a few others are out..
[07:10] <asmartgoat> #ubuntu-release-party lol
[07:10] <osubuck_> hey im not an official source
[07:10] <osubuck_> who knows
[07:11] <nemchik> lol i never bothered to check the value but 101010 = 42 (answer to life, the universe, and everything)
[07:11] <asmartgoat> ha
[07:12] <nemchik> and apparently some idiots think there will be a massive computer virus or second coming of y2k because of the date
[07:12] <asmartgoat> lol
[07:12] <nemchik> thank you google news for the good laugh
[07:12] <Yojimbo_> And 1010 is 10.
[07:13] <Yojimbo_> And 10 is 2, and so two 10 is 10.
[07:14] <nemchik> theres only 10 types of people in this world
[07:14] <nemchik> those who understand binary and those who dont
[07:14] <asmartgoat> hahahaha, so old lol
[07:14] <asmartgoat> anyone from australia here
[07:14] <asmartgoat> ???
[07:15] <nemchik> ;) had to be said
[07:15] <asmartgoat> !joke
[07:15] <asmartgoat> win
[07:16] <asmartgoat> :P
[07:17] <asmartgoat> !release
[07:19] <nemchik> omg theres a little girl born 10 years ago today named Xanthe
[07:19] <nemchik> in new york
[07:19] <Yojimbo_> Is it Ubuntu who releases, or Canonical?
[07:19] <asmartgoat> i dont understand
[07:19] <asmartgoat> ubuntu 10.10 is being release
[07:19] <asmartgoat> d
[07:19] <asmartgoat> it is funded by canocial
[07:20] <asmartgoat> but, if canonical decides to not fund it anymore there is 10m dollars that canonical has donated to keep the project alive
[07:20] <asmartgoat> !ubuntu foundation
[07:20] <Yojimbo_> Ah, right
[07:20] <asmartgoat> !ubuntufoundation
[07:20] <rww> Yojimbo_: The current release manager works for Canonical and is an Ubuntu Member. I'll let you pick which of these hats to care more about ;P
[07:21] <asmartgoat> hmm, i think ubottu is hungry
[07:21] <Jordan_U> As long as it's not Red I don't care :)
[07:21] <asmartgoat> !botsnack
[07:21] <Yojimbo_> It's always good to have two hats.. one for.. er..
[07:22] <bullgard4> dmesg prints this line: "Using IPI No-Shortcut mode" What does IPI mean here? Intelligent Peripheral Interface or Image Processing and Interchange?
[07:22] <rww> Jordan_U: lol
[07:22] <asmartgoat> honestly maybe your powers of deduction are needed. :P
[07:23] <nemchik> hah, i like the botsnack thing
[07:26] <asmartgoat> me too lol
[07:26] <asmartgoat> as well as !yum
[07:29] <Yojimbo_> So mono isn't installed by default?
[07:29] <rww> yes it is
[07:29] <nemchik> ... i thought it was
[07:29] <asmartgoat> it is
[07:29] <asmartgoat> does anyone think there will much of a difference beetween 10.10 rc and 10.10 final?
[07:30] <Yojimbo_> Oh yeah, there it is..
[07:30] <SwedeMike> asmartgoat: why do you ask?
[07:30] <nemchik> i dont expect any big difference between what i am using right this second and what i will have in a few hours
[07:30] <Yojimbo_> A nice feeling of completeness
[07:30] <asmartgoat> just wondering
[07:30] <nemchik> hopefully devs start updating their repositories to include maverick branches though
[07:31] <asmartgoat> there are 2 updates for Rc at the moment, (just checked 2 hrs ago, and again now)
[07:31] <asmartgoat> including one for updates
[07:32] <Yojimbo_> There were a few updates for alternate final.. 6 or 7..
[07:32] <SwedeMike> asmartgoat: do you have a problem with it? I'm sure there are a few updated, it might fix a few bugs,apart from that just keep updating as always and you won't notice the difference.
[07:32] <rww> asmartgoat: I don't
[07:32] <asmartgoat> ive noticed 2 bugs
[07:32] <asmartgoat> reported although
[07:33] <asmartgoat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/657103
[07:33] <asmartgoat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/657253
[07:33] <asmartgoat> thanks ubottu
[07:33] <asmartgoat> lol
[07:34] <prez00> i read about window one, seems fairly serious for new users
[07:34] <asmartgoat> grub is also important
[07:35] <prez00> had not seen that one
[07:35] <asmartgoat> because im stuck on a kernel 2 releases behind and i have to wait for a new one to fix it
[07:35] <Yojimbo_> Who are these people creating bugs all the time? Don't they have better things to do?
[07:36] <asmartgoat> lol
[07:36] <Jordan_U> I was surprised they switched to the Ubuntu font between the RC and final (unless I'm remembering incorrectly).
[07:36] <asmartgoat> someone was lazy so that when someone clicks an option its applied and closed. even if the option is "show me a side by side comparison"
[07:37] <asmartgoat> yeah, the ubuntu font is quite nice
[07:37] <asmartgoat> and open source i believe
[07:37] <Guest83871> yyy
[07:37] <Guest83871> why is still RC?
[07:38] <asmartgoat> !rc
[07:38] <Guest83871> ***
[07:38] <Guest83871> This is still a RELEASE-CANDIDATE release.
[07:38] <Guest83871> Do not install it on production machines.
[07:38] <Guest83871> ***
[07:38] <asmartgoat> its rc because it wasnt finished yet
[07:38] <Yojimbo_> They should decrease the font to 9 (or 8) though to make it leaner and meaner looking.. in my eyes.
[07:38] <asmartgoat> your screen is big yojimbo?
[07:38] <Guest83871> asmartgoat: where can i read about this?
[07:39] <asmartgoat> umm
[07:39] <Yojimbo_> asmartgoat: Three 1920x1080 21.5"
[07:39] <asmartgoat> average
[07:39] <asmartgoat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[07:40] <vivien_m> Is Maverick ready today as planned?
[07:40] <rww> vivien_m: As far as we know, it's not delayed.
[07:41] <asmartgoat> i believe that they are updating the mirrors
[07:42] <asmartgoat> !mirror
[07:42] <Jordan_U> I'd be really surprised if this release were delayed, everyone has their towels ready for this release.
[07:42] <vivien_m> :)
[07:42] <asmartgoat> i vvould go on a massive killing spree if they did
[07:42] <asmartgoat> jk
[07:42] <asmartgoat> !botsnack
[07:43] <Guest83871> rc date is 10.10.10 10:10:10 AM/PM ;) UTC
[07:43] <Yojimbo_> From what I can see only desktop is still RC.
[07:43] <Guest83871> Yojimbo_: netbook upgrade is too RC
[07:43] <vivien_m> Anyway the servers will be so slow that it might be better to wait for a few days.
[07:43] <asmartgoat> my internets slow so it doesnt bother me
[07:46] <Guest83871> for someone slow, for someone else fast ;)
[07:47] <Jordan_U> Bittorrent screams on release day :)
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Once the torrents are going.. :) thats the way to go. about the only time ive ever seen my internet connection maxxed out  was when getting ubuntu torrents
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> I tend to grab all the iso's via torrents soon after release.. seems the fastest way to get them for later.
[07:48] <asmartgoat> my connection is always maxxed out
[07:48] <asmartgoat> 56kilobytes per second
[07:49] <asmartgoat> with peaks of up to 100kbps
[07:49] <asmartgoat> bytes
[07:49] <Yojimbo_> Where are you situated?
[07:49] <asmartgoat> australia
[07:50] <asmartgoat> and now we are waiting for this stupid NBn to be rolled out
[07:50] <SwedeMike> I seeded ubuntu torrents at 12 megabyte/s last release
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> 'ubuntu crashes the internetz'
[07:51] <SwedeMike> not really
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> 'Fat Pipes all clogged with new release'
[07:51] <asmartgoat> anonymous crashes the internets
[07:52] <SwedeMike> the internet exchange points usually don't even flinch at it
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> 'LOLcats releases Ubuntu Variant  LOLubuntu'
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:52] <agabus> does anyone have an ETA on the release? if its in the next few hours ill have time to hop on a torrent and get it up and running
[07:53] <Samoi> is it still possible to upgrade using the alternate installation CD?
[07:53] <agabus> or is it just at some time throughout the 10th in whatever timezone it is released from?
[07:54] <Yojimbo_> I am running the alternate final in VirtualBox.. (ew, will someone please fork VBox now.kthx)
[07:54] <agabus> oh is it already released just not announced?
[07:55] <agabus> its not on the official tracker yet
[07:55] <asmartgoat> !isitout
[07:55] <Yojimbo_> the only one I see that is unofficially not out yet is desktop
[07:56] <rootusr> lalalalalala
[07:56] <vivien_m> Yojimbo_: where do you see that?
[07:56] <agabus> Yojimbo_ - where exactly are you looking?
[07:56] <asmartgoat> !cheat
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> theres ways to 'sync' the rc iso with the final iso so you could have the final iso  very shortly after release. :)
[07:56] <Yojimbo_> I'm not gonna post links here, but chat me up and sure. aslkthxplzbye
[07:57] <asmartgoat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590098
[07:58] <asmartgoat> please read that
[07:59] <agabus> k
[07:59] <asmartgoat> i think he
[07:59] <asmartgoat> 's looking at daily builds
[08:00] <rootusr> it's out!
[08:00] <asmartgoat> !isitout
[08:00] <rootusr> kidding
[08:00] <Yojimbo_> asmartgoat: Hint: md5sums
[08:00] <asmartgoat> !joke
[08:00] <rootusr> haha
[08:00] <asmartgoat> um
[08:01] <asmartgoat> im not downloading anything until its released
[08:01] <alkzorwi> Hello, when will 10.10 be ready for download?
[08:01] <asmartgoat> soon
[08:01] <asmartgoat> lol
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> I rember why i tend to avoid the irc channels for a week after release...
[08:01] <alkzorwi> Soon as In "two days, 1 month". :)
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> every time someone asks if its out.. they delay it 10 min...
[08:02] <asmartgoat> more like now, or 12 hrs
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:02] <alkzorwi> Ok, thank you and excuse me if I disturbed with my question.
[08:02] <asmartgoat> it would be delayed into the next millennium  if your theory is true
[08:03] <asmartgoat> nah, you didnt disturb
[08:03] <asmartgoat> we are all very idle
[08:03] <agabus> if its just a matter of waiting for mirrors now, why isnt putting up a torrent the first priority?
[08:04] <agabus> to take any initial stress off the mirrors
[08:04] <Mikerhinos> does someone know if there are new drivers beetween Maverick beta and final ? i tested the beta on my pc , but my wifi dongle wasn't recognized , i hope it will be in the final release , even if i doubt :s
[08:04] <LiudvikasT> they've got 6 minutes to release on 2010-10-10 10:10 on my timezone :)
[08:04] <Guest83871> LiudvikasT: from?:>
[08:05] <dmatt> 66 minutes in mine :)
[08:05] <asmartgoat> they have negative 9 hours and 46 minutes to release on mine
[08:05] <Guest83871> im in UTC+2 :P
[08:05] <LiudvikasT> :)
[08:05] <LiudvikasT> lithuania
[08:05] <alkzorwi> They should have released 10.10 on my timezone....
[08:05] <alkzorwi> gmt+2
[08:05] <kandinski> hi, I have flashplugin-installer installed (and I just dpkg-reconfigured it), but my firefox says there is no flash, how can I fix it?
[08:05] <eboyjr> It sort of feels like new years eve
[08:05] <alkzorwi> :))Hahahaha
[08:06] <LiudvikasT> lol
[08:06] <eboyjr> :p
[08:06] <alkzorwi> Santa clause is coming :P
[08:06] <asmartgoat> to town
[08:06] <rootusr> get mirrors ready would be the #1 priority, so that they can do the official announcement
[08:06] <asmartgoat> um, go to get.flashplayer.com
[08:06] <asmartgoat> and download the .deb
[08:06] <asmartgoat> and run it
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> kandinski:  you did close/resatrt firefox after installing the flash thing?
[08:07] <Yojimbo_> The whole world will turn binary!
[08:07] <kandinski> Dr_Willis: I closed it before installing, opened it again
[08:07] <Guest83871> kandinski: everyone knows that... flashplugin is only for redtube ;)
[08:07] <asmartgoat> or youtube
[08:07] <asmartgoat> lol
[08:07] <eboyjr> Theres #ubuntu-release-party
[08:07] <asmartgoat> or ads
[08:07] <Yojimbo_> or  jewtube
[08:07] <kandinski> Guest83871: got me there. But my 2yo daugher also uses it for games
[08:08] <LiudvikasT> :D
[08:08] <rootusr> if your on beta or rc and keeping everything uptodate, your pretty much using the final
[08:08] <micahg> kandinski: does Tools -> Addons (Plugins tab) show anything?
[08:08] <kandinski> also redtube sucks, pornhub iswhere it's at
[08:08] <kandinski> micahg, checking...
[08:08] <Yojimbo_> gnutube
[08:08] <Guest83871> gentube
[08:08] <LiudvikasT> rootusr, still wouldnt feel complete to me
[08:08] <Guest83871> heheheh
[08:08] <pioruns> kandinski, use: locate libflashplayer.so. It will told you, where flash file is
[08:08] <rootusr> there is chrome or chromium for ubuntu and both of them kicks ff's ass and with flash buildin
[08:09] <eboyjr> !maverick
[08:09] <Yojimbo_> asmartgoat: check pm?
[08:09] <LiudvikasT> chrome is nice, but i like firefox's addons better :)
[08:09] <kandinski> rootusr: you are right there, but I have a heavily customised firefox. I am thinking about moving on, though.
[08:10] <micahg> !ohmy | rootusr
[08:10] <rootusr> people are saying that with ie before...
[08:10] <kandinski> micahg: that was directed at me, and I think to say that program a kicks program b's ass is not abuse, just a coloquialism
[08:11] <Guest83871> brrrrr cold .... 0 degrees
[08:11] <micahg> kandinski: yes, but this channel can be for people of all ages, hence the message
[08:11] <kandinski> rootusr: well, my problem now is to use flash with firefox, so...
[08:11] <kandinski> micahg: understood
[08:11] <LiudvikasT> age got nothing to do with anything :)
[08:11] <rootusr> micahg: run benchmarks yourself if you think im insulting you (which im not...)
[08:12] <LiudvikasT> the sooner kids learn foul language the better
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> They often teach me new words.....
[08:12] <micahg> rootusr: not insulting, just didn't like the colloquillism :)
[08:12] <pioruns> kandinski, did you type: locate libflashplayer.so?
[08:12] <kandinski> we were joking about porn sites a minit ago
[08:12] <micahg> kandinski: I wasn't very fond of that either...
[08:12] <kandinski> pioruns: can you believe I had no locate? installing and running updatedb
[08:12] <pioruns> what was the result?
[08:13] <kandinski> updatedb still running
[08:13] <kandinski> old computer :)
[08:13]  * micahg just started idling in here, but I think the rule applies to all the Ubuntu channels
[08:13] <kandinski> micahg, apologies. I just come from a culture where obscene remarks are not that frowned upon.
[08:13] <micahg> kandinski: locate is not seeded, so it's not installed by default
[08:14] <kandinski> what does "seeded" mean?
[08:14] <asmartgoat> people sharing it
[08:14] <LiudvikasT> micahg, i just don't like this attitude of making everything friendly to everyone. it ruins experience for most, while protecting a minority so small that i doubt there is any kids here
[08:14] <micahg> kandinski: on one of the official or semi-official CDs
[08:14] <micahg> LiudvikasT: we just welcomed a 14 yr old MOTU recently
[08:14] <kandinski> micahg: thanks, gotcha.
[08:15] <asmartgoat> A peer with 100% of the data in the torrent contents.
[08:15] <kandinski> micahg: who can probably swear with the best?
[08:15] <LiudvikasT> 14 is old enough for foul language
[08:15] <kandinski> anyway, OT
[08:15] <Guest83871> 14 yr old person steals, rapes etc
[08:15] <Yojimbo_> kandinski: Yeah, OT is where it is, not NT.
[08:16] <asmartgoat> nah, i know a 12 yearold who codes amazing in Php, css, html
[08:16] <micahg> LiudvikasT: I'll check with someone on the IRC council, how about that?
[08:16] <asmartgoat> so dont diss the young
[08:16] <asmartgoat> lol
[08:17] <LiudvikasT> micahg, that doesnt really matter, i just don't like cenzorship in any form, even in most innocent like this :)
[08:17] <Yojimbo_> yeah, diss the old instead, they are the ones censoring
[08:17] <asmartgoat> lol
[08:17] <asmartgoat> steven conroy
[08:17] <LiudvikasT> unless we can say whatever we want it's no fun at all :)
[08:17] <micahg> LiudvikasT: well, the idea is to keep the regular Ubuntu channels such that everyone can feel comfortable, there are OT channels with more relaxed rules
[08:18] <LiudvikasT> i understand, ignore me, its a touchy subject
[08:19] <kandinski> micahg: yeah, no argument from me, I can /join #swearing at any time anyway
[08:19] <Yojimbo_> micahg: But if the thing that causes discomfort is censorship..?
[08:19] <kandinski> Yojimbo_: is asking people not to sing in the movies censorship?
[08:19] <LiudvikasT> Yojimbo_ good point
[08:19] <Yojimbo_> kandinski: I usually don't watch musicals.
[08:20] <LiudvikasT> who goes to cinema anyway
[08:21] <kandinski> so: libflashplayer.so
[08:21] <micahg> kandinski: you should probably pastebin your findings
[08:22] <kandinski> micahg, was going there
[08:22] <eboyjr> Does 11.04 work begin the second 10.10 is released?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> eboyjr:  its allready begun from what ive heard
[08:23] <eboyjr> Ah makes sense
[08:23] <kandinski> eboyjr: massive kickban in the channel in 10, 9, 8...
[08:23] <asmartgoat> ?
[08:23] <eboyjr> kandinski: hrm??
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu+2 channel!
[08:23] <kandinski> so we all move to #ubuntu
[08:23] <goodnight> it's maverick time
[08:23] <kandinski> and discuss maverick there
[08:24] <kandinski> right
[08:24] <asmartgoat> !isitout
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> and watch people ask 'is it out' every 20 sec....
[08:24] <kandinski> to make room for the next generation
[08:24] <eboyjr> @now pago_pago
[08:24] <eboyjr> It should be out before that time says 00
[08:24] <kandinski> @now melbourne
[08:25] <kandinski> boo USA-centrism
[08:25] <asmartgoat> 6;25 in melb
[08:25] <kandinski> 10:10am was so 8 hours ago
[08:25] <asmartgoat> got a joke for australians
[08:25] <micahg> #ubuntu-release-party is for the is it out crowd
[08:25] <asmartgoat> your mums so stupid that whenever she goes to coles, everybody thinks she's a super special
[08:25] <LiudvikasT> !isitout
[08:25] <LiudvikasT> :D
[08:25] <LiudvikasT> i like this feature
[08:26] <Yojimbo_> !isitin
[08:26] <kandinski> asmartgoat: the joke has to be on me, because I am a recent immigrant and don't get the joke
[08:26] <kandinski> so bifecta!
[08:26] <micahg> !msgthebot
[08:26] <agabus> asmartgoat - i dont get it
[08:26] <eboyjr> I wonder who is delaying the release at the current point in time
[08:27]  * micahg goes back into hiding
[08:27] <eboyjr> e.g. exactly what is being done to 10.10 right now
[08:27] <kandinski> micahg, thanks for your work
[08:27] <kandinski> eboyjr: polishing the chrome, surely
[08:27] <kandinski> grooming the meerkat
[08:27] <eboyjr> hehe
[08:29] <asmartgoat> if you watch tv you'll get the joke
[08:29] <asmartgoat> cause cole does these "super specials" and yeah
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Meerkat Manor.
[08:30] <agabus> asmartgoat - i dont watch tv. but i think i know what ur talking about. is it because the way the people in the ads act?
[08:30] <eboyjr> Anyone know of a cli torrent client so I can seed and download Ubuntu 10.10 on my server?
[08:30] <SwedeMike> eboyjr: rtorrent
[08:30] <asmartgoat> not exactly, the ads go on about super specials and prices being down
[08:30] <asmartgoat> anyway, abit off topic
[08:30] <kandinski> ok, libflashplayer.so: http://pastebin.com/xMBSr23b
[08:31] <eboyjr> SwedeMike: Cool thanks
[08:31] <kandinski> shoulda said it was an x64 computer
[08:31] <kandinski> kham-poo.tohr
[08:32] <kandinski> I will repeat the question: I keep reinstalling flashplayer-installer, but firefox still can't run flash. Maverick on AMD64. Was asked to provide the result of "locate liblashplayer.so":  http://pastebin.com/xMBSr23b
[08:33] <Yojimbo_> kandinski: Did you try turning it off and on again?
[08:33] <kandinski> Yojimbo_: I have rebooted since I first had the problem, yes.
[08:34] <Kurdistan> okey I can ask now when will the stable release of maverick be out there
[08:34] <Yojimbo_> kandinski: But did you do that after you fixed the problem?
[08:34] <kandinski> I haven't fixed the problem yet
[08:34] <kandinski> since I dpkg-reconfigured the package, yes
[08:36] <Kurdistan> no person with information
[08:36] <SwedeMike> Kurdistan: it's out today. no further details available.
[08:37] <rww> Kurdistan: the people who know are too busy doing their release work to update IRC users every five minutes. It'll be some time today.
[08:37] <Kurdistan> mike, when will it be out here in sweden
[08:37] <Kurdistan> sorry guys
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> all ive ever done for flash is install the  package..
[08:37] <SwedeMike> Kurdistan: it's released at the same time world wide.
[08:37] <Dr_Willis>  flashplugin-installer - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> sometimes theres issues with  it getting the tar.gz , but ive rarely had it fail.
[08:38] <kandinski> Dr_Willis: that's exactly what's not working for me!
[08:38] <Kurdistan> okey I will then ask question about livecd iso
[08:38] <kandinski> not the tar.gz, but installing the package
[08:38] <kandinski> grrr me
[08:39] <Kurdistan> does it work like it should, updating the system during installation
[08:39] <Kurdistan> and when I person choose third part application what exaxtly is installed
[08:39] <hidisux> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> Kurdistan:  i think it just enables the repos. i dont think it actually installs wnything extra
[08:40] <Kurdistan> ubuntu restricted
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> I always enable all the extra repos anyway - so ive never noticed.
[08:40] <kandinski> Dr_Willis: so do I
[08:41] <kandinski> apt-get does go through the motions of installing
[08:41] <hidisux> copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins$
[08:41] <Kurdistan> drwillis becuase two of the knew things during the installation is installing restricted things
[08:41] <agabus> oh is that new 64bit flash player any good? if its not that would make me rather download 32bit ubuntu instead
[08:41] <Kurdistan> like support for this and that
[08:41] <Kurdistan> what exactly will be installed
[08:42] <Kurdistan> will mediabunti repo added default
[08:42] <hidisux> it works, but who knows how much bugs ans security risks it still has
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use the ubuntu-tweak tool to enable some extra repos also.
[08:43] <kandinski> thanks, hidisux
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> kandinski:  often adobe 'moves/renames/updates' the flash package.tar.gz and that can confuse the flash-installer.
[08:43] <Kurdistan> its seems that those who knows are gone
[08:43] <agabus> hidisux - does the 32bit install go alright on 64bit ubuntu?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> kandinski:  but ive not heard of any of those issues recently
[08:44] <kandinski> Dr_Willis: nah, the package was here
[08:44] <kandinski> I mean, the tar.gz
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> kandinski:  as a test, try some different browsers, as another test. try making a new user. see if it works for them
[08:44] <hidisux> ababus: don't know. Just used 64-bit libflashplayer on 64-bit os
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had to trouble shoot flash here on my 5 machines
[08:45] <agabus> hidisux - will 10.10 automatically install the 64bit version?
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> 10.10 uses the 32bit version as far as i know
[08:46] <vivien_m> The 32-bit version will still be recommended over the 64-bit version?
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> I belive so vivien_m
[08:47] <agabus> i'm sure there was another reason besides flash that im not currently using 64bit ubuntu. i just can't remember what it was
[08:47] <Kurdistan> agabus flash under 64bit is pain in the ass
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> Ive had no issues with using the 32bit flash on my 64bit machines.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> now a few releases back.. there were issues.. but ive not seen/heard of any in ages.
[08:48] <agabus> yeah i remember i used to get 100% cpu usage and whatnot
[08:48] <kandinski> hidisux: you are a prince, princess, princebot, whatever. It just works.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> flash is often an 'issue' reguardless of what you do :)
[08:48] <vivien_m> I use the 64-bit version and I have no problems except that flash crashes a lot; I do not know why.
[08:48] <Kurdistan> drwillis when you install 32 bit flash under 64 bits ubuntu it takes much more power from computer then if it is ubuntu 32 bit installation
[08:48]  * kandinski shakes fist at ubuntulinux gremlins
[08:48] <kandinski> ta everyone else too
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> Kurdistan:  ive never noticed.. :) but i tedn to not use flash a lot either.
[08:49] <agabus> i use flash so much that i think ill install 32bit ubuntu just so i dont have as many crashes
[08:49] <Kurdistan> agabus it is clever choose
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> Too bad i cant get Netflix streaming working On Linux. :(
[08:50] <Kurdistan> 64 bit installation is recommended if you have more then 4 gb of ram
[08:50] <Kurdistan> otherwise 32 bits is recommended
[08:50] <micahg> kandinski: try removing the one in your home directory
[08:50] <SwedeMike> I was running the 1-2 year old 64bit flash alpha for quite some time and it was stable, but I removed it due to security concerns (no updates)
[08:50] <micahg> agabus: 32 bit flash should work fine on most 64 bit systems now
[08:51] <Kurdistan> guys one wierd question
[08:51] <DaveWM> actually Kurdistan ,  i think according to the download site... 64bit is not recommended for daily desktop use
[08:51] <DaveWM> heh
[08:51] <micahg> Kurdistan: nothing wrong with 64 bit and less than 4GB of RAM
[08:52] <Kurdistan> I am in usb livecd, can I over write it with the latest ubuntu
[08:52] <Kurdistan> my buntu crashed
[08:52] <DaveWM> or 32bit and 8gb of ram
[08:52] <Kurdistan> micahg I have used 64 bit. np for me.
[08:52] <DaveWM> all fine
[08:53] <Kurdistan> davewm I dont really why ubuntu keeps telling people that 64 bit is not recommended for daily use
[08:53] <SwedeMike> 32bit with PAE is an option as well even with lots of ram, only limit there is that a single process can't use more than 2 gigs of ram.
[08:53] <Kurdistan> not good
[08:53] <DaveWM> yeah,  just bad wording really
[08:54] <andrr> How many hours left till the 10.10 release?
[08:54] <DaveWM> i see the reasoning behind it,  but its just worded poorly
[08:54] <agabus> if i want to compile Transmission the torrent client on a 64bit install, getting the tar.gz sources, will it be the same process as i have been doing on my 32bit install?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> Theres ppa's of updated versions of transmission i  recall.
[08:55] <SwedeMike> andrr: there is no set time.
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> agabus:  the process should be identical on 32 or 64.
[08:56] <Kurdistan> if I have two processors is 64 bit better option
[08:56] <SwedeMike> Kurdistan: no, doesn'
[08:56] <SwedeMike> matter
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> 2 real processors ? or a 64bit cpu with 2 cores? :)
[08:56] <SwedeMike> one thing that might warrant 64bit use is AES-NI on newer intel processors, it's 64bit only.
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use 64bit on any system i got that can do 64bit.
[08:57] <Kurdistan> drwillis maybe it is like you said
[08:57] <agabus> does WINE work if i have windows 32 bit applications but ubuntu is running 64bit?
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> I have an apt-cacher-ng server setup.  being all 64bit - saves me a lot of hassles on the cacheing of updates/packages
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> wine works fine in 64bit
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> I cant think of any real issues ive had with 64bit int he last 2 years.
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> Other then zsnes not being 64bit. :)
[08:57] <agabus> video codecs / audio codecs?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> agabus:  no issues that ive ever seen
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> Only 32bit machine i got left in the house - is my netbook.
[08:58] <andrr> I've just updated to the 10.10 version from 10.4.Whenever I start the computer, the Grub menu is displayed and I am to pick a kernel to load.The 2.6.32-25 version is working, whereas the 2.6.35-22 one isn't, and a "kernel panic not syncing: VFS- unable to mount root fs" error is rendered.Also, I ran a "Memtest", however, no errors were found.
[09:00] <agabus> i guess ill give 64bit another go then. i think the only problems ive had in the past have been some video codecs and flash
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> years back - java was an issue.. thats not been the case in a long time
[09:00] <agabus> oh yeah java too
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> if you want to use more then 4gb of ram. :) you definatly want 64bit
[09:01] <agabus> i think i have 4gig of ram in total
[09:01] <agabus> but in 32 bit it only shows 2.9gig
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> but i use 64 even if i have less..
[09:01] <agabus> or GiB
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> 64bit should show most of 4gb perhaps.. its hard to tell..
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> theres other issues at the 4gb 'limit' :) as well.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> looseing 1.1gb - seems a bit high
[09:02] <agabus> so i should probably be gaining myself another gig of memory when i upgrade to 64bit?
[09:02] <Kurdistan> haha I asked my question in the release party area
[09:02] <Kurdistan> have the bug with making livecd usb under maverick been solved
[09:03] <Kurdistan> when I tried maverick rc I had problem making livecd usb with both usb creator
[09:03] <Kurdistan> and unetbootin
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> I saw it mentioned the other day Kurdistan  but not srue if its been fixed.
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> i edited the syslinux cfgs and fixed it myself. :)
[09:04] <Kurdistan> it is np for me make livecd usb from lucid if I want to install maverick
[09:04] <kandinski> micah, thanks, hidisux pointed me towards 64bit flash and now it works
[09:04] <Kurdistan> but if I go opposite direction then the problem appears
[09:04] <kandinski> it's sound that doesn't work now
[09:04] <kandinski> gah
[09:04] <Kurdistan> dr willis how did you fix it
[09:05] <Kurdistan> removing ui
[09:05] <kandinski> (sound in flash videos)
[09:05] <Kurdistan> it didnt work for me
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> Kurdistan:  one of the config files had a menu.c32 or somthing line in it. that i had to comment out i recall
[09:05] <Kurdistan> drwillis sorry I dont understand
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> syslinux config files on the usb drive.. i edited 1 file.. removed 1 or 2 lines.. it worked..
[09:06] <Kurdistan> what did you add and removed
[09:06] <Kurdistan> do you remenber
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> somthign with 'menu.c32' in it.
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> ive played with syslinux so much. I pretty much knew where to look. :)
[09:07] <Kurdistan> men.c32 you removed
[09:07] <kandinski> erm, dudes, now I don't have sound (gah)
[09:07] <kandinski> not in flash, not in vlc, so I guess not anywhere
[09:08] <Kurdistan> kandinski
[09:08] <Kurdistan> write command line alsamixer
[09:08] <Kurdistan> see if you mute it or not
[09:08] <Kurdistan> you can also look to the sound applet
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> I think i commented out the 2 lines in  USBDRIVE/syslinux/syslinux.cfg  (the following 2)
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> include menu.cfg
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> default vesamenu.c32
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> actually it may of just been the  2nd line...
[09:10] <Kurdistan> haha dr willis you are funny
[09:10] <Kurdistan> I am confused
[09:10] <kandinski> Kurdistan: I just rebooted, bu thanks
[09:10] <eboyjr> Is there a cli bittorrent client that is more wget-style? rtorrent is confusing
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> vesamenu gives the pretty gui menu.. that  was what was broken.. commented that out.. and just had to hit enter at the  empty prompt and the cd booted the default entry
[09:10] <Kurdistan> kandinski I had this problem ones and reboot solved it
[09:10] <Kurdistan> like for you
[09:12] <Kurdistan> honestly if I have laptop do I really need swap
[09:13] <eboyjr> I'l using torrentflux
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> I always make at least a 512mb swap on every machine.
[09:13] <Kurdistan> dr willis I make 2 gb
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> If you want to use hibernate/suspend on a laptop - you will want a good sized swap.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> swap is also handy when using a live cd. most will see and use it.
[09:13] <Kurdistan> then change the value from 60 to 0
[09:13] <donniezazen> yeah i make my swap double of my ram
[09:14] <agabus> will 10.10 be able to detect my current 50% partition which is ubuntu 10.04 and then overwrite that without me doing anything technical?
[09:14] <Kurdistan> donniezazen it is not recommended if you have 2 gb of ram and make swap that is 4 gb
[09:14] <agabus> (the other 50% is a windows install)
[09:14] <Kurdistan> 1 or 2 gb ram enough
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> agabus:    you are going to do a new clean reinstall over the current linux system?
[09:15] <agabus> yes
[09:15] <Kurdistan> agabus it should if you are planning to keep the lucid partitions
[09:15] <Kurdistan> maybe I didnt understand you
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> agabus:  installer can ovewrite it.. or you could delete it.(leave it unallocated) . then boot the live cd. and tell it to use the unallocated space.
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> in any case.. backup imporntant stuff
[09:16] <agabus> yeah i think i might delete it and then reboot just so i can let the installer handle the partitioning
[09:17] <Kurdistan> agabus are you planning on keeping home
[09:17] <Kurdistan> you dont need to make new home
[09:18] <Kurdistan> you only need to format root partition
[09:18] <agabus> ive backed everything up to an external drive anyway
[09:18] <Kurdistan> I write from livecd so I can not fined everything
[09:20] <Kurdistan> I will download maverick making livecd usb from lucid livecd
[09:21] <Kurdistan> lubuntu have crashed for me
[09:26] <MTW> where is 10.10
[09:26] <Kuba> !isitout
[09:26] <MTW> !isitout
[09:26] <MTW> !whereisit
[09:27] <jsomers> question: every time I upgrade to a development version when it's a beta release I don't get a proper startup and shutting down screen but console output, when I later install the official release it's ok, but there surely must be a way to "fix" this without reinstalling?
[09:28] <rootusr> !isitout
[09:28] <rootusr> ...
[09:31] <eboyjr> October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world.  We are only 45% through the day by this measurement, so be patient.  Ubuntu 10.10 will be out before '@now Pacific/Pago_pago' reaches midnight on the tenth.
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> 24+24=50?
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> or is there a time zone missing?  /me gets a map
[09:33]  * Dr_Willis really dosent care.. goes back to playing LOTRO.
[09:34] <eboyjr> Dr_Willis: In case deep down you actually do care, it's from 00:00 in UTC+14 to 23:59 in UTC-11
[09:36] <Kuba> phoenix_: ohh, I just woke up up fixed my problem... iwconfig eth1 power off ;> Stupid power management I must have missed
[09:37] <Kuba> Does anybody know how turn off following behaviour: when on battery power management for my wifi card changes to "Power Managementmode:All packets received"?
[09:40] <Guest83871> 10:33 <@robbiew> sudo push-release-iso -d release.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <Guest83871> 10:34 <@robbiew> whoops...wrong window
[09:40] <Guest83871> is comming!
[09:40] <Guest83871> ;)
[09:41] <rww> Guest83871: That was a joke ;P
[09:42] <rww> but yeah, robbiew's awake, so the good times will roll!
[09:42] <Guest83871> robbie is? devel?
[10:04] <Yojimbo_> ah, there we go, it's unofficially out.
[10:04] <asmartgoat> !party
[10:06] <eboyjr> What new themes and artwork does m have?
[10:07] <eboyjr> October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world.  We are only 47% through the day by this measurement, so be patient.  Ubuntu 10.10 will be out before '@now Pacific/Pago_pago' reaches midnight on the tenth.
[10:09] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:10] <tensorpudding> eboyjr: There are new wallpapers I hear.
[10:10] <eboyjr> Ah okay
[10:11] <Yojimbo_> Too bad they didn't put any of them as the default
[10:11] <tensorpudding> there are no new themes, but ambiance and and radiance have been updated
[10:11] <tensorpudding> and of course there is the new font
[10:13] <eboyjr> its the new font used for everything? all of the gui? or is some of it still dejavu
[10:14] <Yojimbo_> The document one still is..
[10:14] <tensorpudding> the old font was sans, wasn't it?
[10:15] <eboyjr> sans is dejavu sans
[10:16] <tensorpudding> hmm, so it is
[10:16] <Yojimbo_> And Fixed width font is Monospace
[10:16] <tensorpudding> Ubuntu doesn't come in monospace.
[10:17] <tensorpudding> Though there are plans to make one by 11.10 or something
[10:22] <SaRy> !isitout
[10:24] <fagan> could you guys stop spamming the bot
[10:24] <fagan> its not out its not going to be out for hours yet
[10:24] <fagan> so its just wasting bandwidth
[10:24] <soreau> also, party in The Other Channel
[10:24] <soreau> ! party
[10:25] <Yojimbo_> Well, it IS "out".
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Yojimbo_: no
[10:25] <Yojimbo_> gnomefreak: Want me to prove you wrong?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Yojimbo_: join #ubuntu-release-party for updates on when it will be out, you can bank on within the next 24 hours
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Yojimbo_: feel free
[10:26] <fagan> Yojimbo_: its not out of RC yet there still needs to be some last minute fixing of critical bugs so its not out
[10:26] <fagan> there still is a few hours yet
[10:28] <ovy> will it work with geforce fx 5500?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ovy: yes it should my 5200 and 6200 wok fine
[10:28] <gnomefreak> s/wok/work
[10:29] <|ns|nR8> 6200 needs latest updates
[10:29] <|ns|nR8> to be bug free
[10:29] <gnomefreak> not sure if 5500 uses nvidia-current
[10:29] <fagan> nvidia are fairly good with adding support fast enough
[10:29] <fagan> so if its not included in one release then it will be in the next
[10:29] <ovy> someone told me it might not work cuz it's old
[10:29] <fagan> which is awesome
[10:30] <fagan> ovy: well did it work in lucid?
[10:30] <ovy> it works in lucid
[10:30] <ovy> but it didn't work in 10.10 RC
[10:30] <fagan> then it will work in maverick
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ovy: it is old and you will need the 173 drivers IIRC
[10:30] <fagan> oh then I dont know
[10:31] <Yojimbo_> fagan: But I do have it, no RC.
[10:31] <fagan> Yojimbo_: it is RC at the moment its not out
[10:32] <gnomefreak> there are a few more updates including nvidia as stated above
[10:32] <fagan> and hopefully the me menu's broadcast box
[10:32]  * fagan prays 
[10:32] <ovy> :)
[10:33] <gnomefreak> please see topic in #ubuntu-release-party for updates on when it is released
[10:33] <fagan> nhandler: you were looking for me before about quickly templates werent you?
[10:33] <Yojimbo_> fagan: check pm?
[10:33] <macer1> !isitout
[10:35] <taasj> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> !isitout
[10:36] <atheotsky> trying to flood ubottu :)
[10:36] <fagan> dude stop it
[10:39] <zombik> is there a way to view the versions of the packages maverick is shipped with?
[10:40] <zombik> nevermind, found it on distrowatch
[10:40] <eboyjr> October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world.  We are only 48% through the day by this measurement, so be patient.  Ubuntu 10.10 will be out before '@now Pacific/Pago_pago' reaches midnight on the tenth.
[10:41] <fagan> zombik: you can wait a week for natty
[10:46] <macer1> wow! i found a one hidden ISO with 10.10 final :D ftp://ftp.tpnet.pl/pub/linux/ubuntu-releases/.pool/ubuntu-10.10-netbook-i386.iso
[10:47] <macer1> !isitout
[10:49] <macer1> 10.10 is out! ftp://ubuntu.task.gda.pl/ubuntu-releases/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso there are all ISO's :)
[10:50] <dmatt> macer1: it is not out officially
[10:50] <macer1> but you can download :)
[10:51] <shazzr> dmatt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ <- there's a torrent at least
[10:51] <fagan> you could download it anyway from cdimage.ubuntu.com and upgrade
[10:51] <rww> macer1: linking to URLs like that before it's out officially is a good way to get removed from the channel :(
[10:51] <fagan> but dont get it from unofficial places
[10:52] <fagan> that is just asking for unexpected things to happen
[10:52] <dmatt> well i am writing this from 10.10 :) but still it is not out :D
[10:52] <fagan> dmatt: ive been on since alpha 1
[10:52] <fagan> :P
[10:52] <dmatt> fagan: ok, you win :)
[10:52] <fagan> hehe
[10:53] <takuan> is there a good reason why network manager applet asks for my SIM pinlock even when i'm not using it?
[10:53] <takuan> apparently that's a new feature in maverick
[10:54] <dmatt> fagan: you can't do that with ati card, if you need proprietary driver
[10:54] <fagan> just leave it blank
[10:54] <dmatt> it is alwayes released just few days before release
[10:54] <fagan> dmatt: I have an intel card so im covered
[10:54] <robin0800> it does appear to be here or though the size info suggests not ftp://ubuntu.task.gda.pl/ubuntu-releases/maverick/
[10:55] <takuan> and it asks it each time I resume from suspend as well
[10:55] <takuan> which is rather annoying and useless
[10:55] <dmatt> fagan: so it's easy to bragg then
[10:55] <dmatt> ;p
[10:55] <fagan> dmatt: yep
[10:55] <fagan> robin0800: its not final yet
[10:55] <gnomefreak> robin0800: posting links is a good way to get removed from the channel
[10:56] <gnomefreak> it should be released in the next 24hours unless other problems occur
[10:56] <fagan> and actually this is a maverick support channel you shouldnt be talking about release here you should go to #ubuntu-release-party
[10:56] <robin0800> gnomefreak: well its downloading for me
[10:56] <gnomefreak> robin0800: there are a few more updates needed before release
[10:56] <dmatt> gnomefreak: you mean 15 minutes?
[10:57] <macer2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ -> there's a file "Archive Update in progress" i think it will be released in 30 minutes :D
[10:57] <ervis> hi anyone download 10.10 ?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> dmatt: it is possible, i havent checked in a while.
[10:57] <ikonia> ervis: it's not released yet
[10:58] <robin0800> gnomefreak: I'm guessing some flavours are already complete
[10:58] <gnomefreak> please see #ubuntu-release-party as this channel is for support
[10:58] <ervis> ikonia, any idea how long we must wait ?
[10:58] <ikonia> no idea
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ervis: see #ubuntu-release-party for updates on release
[10:59] <fagan> ervis: or #ubuntu-release-party-announce if you dont want all the spam
[10:59] <zombik> is it correct, that mdadm still uses version 2.6.7.1 in maverick?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> zombik: 2.6.7.1-1ubuntu16
[11:01] <zombik> ok, thanks. pity, that it didnt get upgraded :/
[11:01] <gnomefreak> apt-cache=policy <packagename> will tell you the versions
[11:01] <gnomefreak> opps it should be apt-cache policy <packagename>
[11:01] <takuan> fagan: that channel doesn't exist
[11:01] <devunt> It's 2010/10/10 10:00 UTC
[11:02] <takuan> well, now it does because we joined it ;)
[11:02] <zombik> gnomefreak: thanks, didnt know it yet
[11:02] <gnomefreak> np
[11:02] <Guest83871> 2010/10/10 10:10:10 UTC
[11:02] <Guest83871> ;]
[11:02] <Guest83871> its better
[11:03] <MaverickOne> #ubuntu-release-announce
[11:03] <fagan> takuan: there are loads of people in there
[11:04] <MaverickOne> and #ubuntu-release-party
[11:07] <eboyjr> October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world.  We are only 49% through the day by this measurement, so be patient.  Ubuntu 10.10 will be out in less than 112 minutes.
[11:08] <eboyjr> Sorry, bad math
[11:10] <ervis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/
[11:10] <devunt> ubuntu 10.10 is out!
[11:10] <gnomefreak> unless more problems arise it will be released in the next 24hours please see #ubuntu-release-party as this channel is only for Maverick support
[11:10] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[11:10] <ervis> gnomefreak, can we donload it now
[11:10] <ervis> ?
[11:11] <ervis> i mean its final ?
[11:11] <fagan> its final now
[11:11] <Yojimbo_> Yep
[11:11] <fagan> go go go go
[11:11] <Yojimbo_> Check the site
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it is released you can download it but use bittorrent for now unless wait a day or so
[11:11] <skepp> announcement just made
[11:12] <gnomefreak> as with every release massave ammount of people downloading it
[11:12] <ervis> gnomefreak, i cant find torrent
[11:13] <skepp> and while ppl are doing that I'm trying to get out of bed and make breakfast..downloading later
[11:13] <skepp> ;)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> trhan server isnt yet updated
[11:13] <gnomefreak> than even
[11:13] <Cojage> so
[11:13] <tensorpudding> the tracker seems to be down
[11:14] <Cojage> is it tiem
[11:14] <Cojage> omg
[11:14] <Cojage> they are uploading it?
[11:14] <tensorpudding> has it been made available on bittorrent yet?
[11:14] <Cojage> dunno
[11:14] <cupis> tensorpudding, doesn't seem to be, no
[11:14] <tensorpudding> okay, there we go
[11:14] <gnomefreak> tensorpudding: ervis said he couldnt find it
[11:15]  * gnomefreak hasnt checked yet
[11:16] <tensorpudding> i have peers
[11:16] <tensorpudding> but the tracker is still sending an error
[11:16] <peto_> buenas
[11:17] <cupis> tensorpudding, starting now..
[11:17] <zdomjus> hi all! torrent is working 80-100 kB/sec download speed
[11:18] <tensorpudding> i'm getting 5 down 50 up
[11:18] <Guest83871> omg
[11:18] <Dhilip89> Ubuntu homepage updated
[11:18] <zdomjus> now 300kB/sec
[11:19] <Guest83871> ubuntu.com like a turtle :/
[11:19] <ovy> so where was that party release chan?
[11:19] <Glowball> Maverick out?
[11:19] <ovy> Glowball, yup
[11:19] <Glowball> ubuntu.com is slow indeed, can somebody link me the torrent?
[11:19] <Yojimbo_> Many of us seeding?
[11:19] <Cojage> rly?
[11:19] <Cojage> its out?
[11:19] <Glowball> I'll seed :)
[11:19] <ovy> ubuntu.com
[11:19] <Dhilip89> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[11:19] <Glowball> Ehm
[11:19] <Glowball> 64 bit please
[11:20] <ovy> "the perfect 10 is here"
[11:20] <Glowball> Sorry for not mentioning
[11:20] <Dhilip89> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:20] <Glowball> Thanks
[11:20] <Dhilip89> You're welcome
[11:21] <Yojimbo_> I downloaded it some hour ago, so I'm seeding :)
[11:21] <goodnight> now it's time to talk about NATTY
[11:21] <tensorpudding> i've already got maverick, but i'm going to download the torrent and seed it for a while
[11:21] <Glowball> "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
[11:21] <Glowball> Eh?
[11:21] <ovy> Glowball ubuntu.com
[11:21] <ovy> select 64 and click to download
[11:22] <Alan> released?
[11:22] <rww> Alan: yes
[11:22] <Glowball> Yes
[11:22] <Alan> nice
[11:22] <Alan> on-time
[11:22] <cupis> Alan, yes, but torrent not working yett
[11:22] <Alan> and before 11:59pm
[11:22] <Alan> cupis: oh :(
[11:22] <asmartgoat> Can you update from 10.10 rc to 10.10?
[11:22] <rww> !final | asmartgoat
[11:22] <Cojage> good question
[11:22] <Alan> I was going to torrent to take the load off the servers, doesn't that mean the download servers are going to be extra-slow?
[11:22] <asmartgoat> lol
[11:23] <fagan> Alan: its 10:22 UTC and that is the time that they go by
[11:23] <fagan> it was released at like 10 past 10
[11:23] <ovy> 1 min left and i have it too :D
[11:23] <rww> it was released at 10:10:10 UTC ;)
[11:23] <Alan> fagan: :P
[11:23] <fagan> so it was a good time
[11:23] <Alan> rww: oh goody
[11:24] <Gangrel> ermm anyone can help me with upgrading to 10.10 because i get error when trying to upgrade to it?
[11:24] <asmartgoat> lol, so i've had final for a while lol
[11:24] <Cojage> hmm
[11:24] <ovy> 5,4,3,2,1 yay
[11:24] <Cojage> should i get 32 or 64 bit
[11:24] <Cojage> i have 2gb
[11:24] <tensorpudding> Gangrel: what kind of error
[11:24] <LiudvikasT> 32
[11:24] <ovy> see u later
[11:24] <Cojage> k
[11:24] <Alan> hmmm, is the cd image not mirrored yet?
[11:24] <asmartgoat> if your upgrading from 10.10rc and its been uptodate its all good
[11:24] <Cojage> liud i have a c2d though
[11:25] <LiudvikasT> ok downloading it right now :)
[11:25] <Cojage> isnt 64 not faster?
[11:25] <LiudvikasT> youve go 2gb
[11:25] <LiudvikasT> only relevant if youve got 4gb
[11:25] <Cojage> ah okay
[11:25] <Glowball> Using direct download is impossible at this moment, really. Downloading at 25kB/s
[11:25] <Gangrel> i get this Error during commit 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend ... Restoring original system state
[11:25] <LiudvikasT> 500kb/s here
[11:25] <Cojage> not found
[11:25] <Cojage> page is down
[11:25] <Cojage> hah
[11:25] <yofel> Cojage: not that much, and since the addresses are longer it needs more memory, so if you have 2gib just stick to 32bit
[11:26] <Cojage> k thnx
[11:26] <Glowball> LiudvikasT: But you're using a torrent?
[11:26] <LiudvikasT> direct
[11:26] <Glowball> Oh :(
[11:26] <LiudvikasT> 700kb/s
[11:26] <yofel> LiudvikasT: not really, afaik the 32bit -pae kernel can  use more than 4gib of memory too
[11:26] <LiudvikasT> though im downloading 64bit, maybe faster server there :)
[11:26] <Glowball> Hurray, down tot 7kB/s
[11:26] <Alan> i'm getting about 200KB/s
[11:27] <Glowball> I rather wait to download than to watch that download proceed
[11:27] <yofel> well, I'm using 64bit too though, except on my eeePC which has an x86 atom :/
[11:27] <Alan> I use 64-bit everywhere
[11:28] <Alan> but I don't have a machine with less than 4GB of RAM
[11:28] <LiudvikasT> now i just need to find some empty dvd :)
[11:28] <Alan> Usually my desktop has 8GB
[11:29] <Gangrel> anyone can tell me how to i get rid of this error?
[11:29] <LiudvikasT> what error
[11:29] <Guest83871> 3update-manager --dist-upgrade doesnt works :/
[11:30]  * Alan = very happy
[11:30] <Alan> I have a local ubuntu mirror
[11:30] <Alan> I've been syncing maverick for over a month now
[11:30] <Alan> no waiting on package mirrors when updating/installing software :D
[11:30] <MartyMcFly> is 11.04 out yet?
[11:30] <MartyMcFly> SCNR
[11:30] <LiudvikasT> :D
[11:30] <LiudvikasT> !isitout
[11:31] <Gangrel> LiudvikasT when trying to upgrade to 10.10 i get Error during commit
[11:31] <Gangrel> 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for libx11-xcb-dev, probably a dependency cycle.'
[11:31] <Gangrel> Restoring original system state
[11:31] <Squirm> someone needs to update ubottu
[11:31] <Squirm> :P
[11:32] <LiudvikasT> or maybe they already did and it means 11.04
[11:32] <gnomefreak> it has been updated for release info
[11:32] <eboyjr> Squirm: 11.04 is not out yet though.. It is perfectly updated
[11:32] <Squirm> oh
[11:32] <gnomefreak> the servers havent yet opened for 11.04
[11:33] <Squirm> so it doesnt actually tell you when Ubuntu is out
[11:33] <Squirm> :/
[11:33] <gnomefreak> a week or 2 before toolchain starts getting pushed
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Squirm: 10.10 is out
[11:34] <LiudvikasT> 50% down :)
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> now to place bets on what the biggest Faq's will be for the week... :)
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Other then 'is it out' and 'how do i upgrade'
[11:35] <LiudvikasT> it depends on what sucks the most
[11:36] <tensorpudding> people complaining about the new font and themes
[11:36] <Guest83871> 450kB/s [upgrade]
[11:36] <Guest83871> 500... 222 :/
[11:36] <Jordan_U> I was actually impressed, it seemed like this year #ubuntu stayed much more sane in the run up at least.
[11:36] <danyR> upgrading today or tomorrow
[11:36] <danyR> is a bad decision.
[11:36] <danyR> a really bad decision.
[11:37] <LiudvikasT> why?
[11:37] <Guest83871> 39kB
[11:37] <Guest83871> :/
[11:37] <danyR> you could perfectly have upgraded friday or yesterday, as the archives were already frozen
[11:37] <LiudvikasT> some people have no patience
[11:37] <tensorpudding> most people upgrade when Ubuntu says "a new release is available"
[11:37] <LiudvikasT> me including
[11:37] <tensorpudding> others just like release days
[11:37] <gnomefreak> LiudvikasT: load on servers they will be really show. try bitttorrent
[11:38] <tensorpudding> it doesn't matter if it's leaked early, they wait until official stuff happens
[11:38] <LiudvikasT> ive almost downloaded it
[11:38] <cupis> has anyone got the torrent working yet?
[11:38] <danyR> cupis: I'm seeding it now
[11:38] <danyR> I restriced download to 5kpbs, and unlimited upload
[11:39] <LiudvikasT> :D
[11:39] <yofel> hm, someone should update the topic..
[11:39] <LiudvikasT> !isitout
[11:39] <danyR> but it's indeed really slow right now
[11:39] <cupis> danyR, I'm still getting "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
[11:40] <danyR> cupis: ohooo, I'm also getting that :O
[11:40] <gnomefreak> shipit is down it seems
[11:40] <cupis> danyR, waiting to seed :)
[11:40] <danyR> but the torrent is still seeding
[11:41] <knittl> so. when can i dist-upgrade to natty? :D
[11:41] <danyR> hey, look, it's the big boss: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nuthinking/5062732094/
[11:42] <yofel> knittl: the toolchain should be uploaded in a week or 2 usually
[11:43] <knittl> cool :)
[11:43] <LiudvikasT> kudos to release blog for referencing hitchhikers guide :)
[11:45] <danyR> whoa, who's she http://www.flickr.com/photos/nuthinking/5061959713/? :D
[11:45] <LiudvikasT> ok download is done :)
[11:50] <ovy> so... when's the ubuntu 11.04 launch ;)?
[11:50] <maurer_1> Just upgraded to maverick, and xterm has rendering artifacts when I delete characters.
[11:50] <gnomefreak> is the server image also have the text installer or is it just server?
[11:51] <maurer_1> The text installer is the one labeled "Alternate install"
[11:51] <gnomefreak> thatw right :(
[11:52] <maurer_1> Any ideas on how to fix this issue? xterm not working properly seems like kind of a big deal
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> maurer_1:  i see issues with the fonts in xterm also.
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> try a differnt font perhaps
[11:52] <nandan__> maurer_1, try and see if the same thing happens with aterm
[11:52] <nandan__> !aterm
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> i use terminator mainly these days
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> maurer_1:  theres also an issue with the TERM setting not getting set right. or there used to be
[11:53] <maurer_1> aterm exibits a similar failure mode.
[11:53] <maurer_1> I also don't see anywhere to change fonts in xterm, mostly because I suspect it does not have support for multiple fonts
[11:54] <Dr_Willis>  xterm -fn FONTNAME
[11:54] <Dr_Willis>  xterm -fn FO+++
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> +kids are up....
[11:56] <asmartgoat> unity is goo
[11:56] <asmartgoat> d
[11:57] <jstressman> does anyone know why I cannot get any kanji to show up? (Japanese)
[11:57] <jstressman> hiragana and katakana work fine, but no kanji. (and yes, I installed Japanese language support and checked the "extra fonts" box when I did so, and have restarted the computer since then.)
[11:59] <jstressman> aside from that, I accidentally removed my network status icon... any idea how I can get that back? the applet is set to run in the startup preferences, but there is no indicator icon on my top panel any longer.
[12:00] <Samoi> jstressman, right click on your panel , add to panel and then add a notification area applet
[12:01] <jstressman> I have that.
[12:01] <Pr070cal> anyone know if nvidia problems are solved on 64bit
[12:01] <jstressman> all that's showing up are the input method icon, volume, and messages envelope icon.
[12:01] <danyR> hmm, I can't login into #ubuntu-release-party
[12:01] <jstressman> Samoi: ^^
[12:02] <ovy> danyR, neither can I
[12:02] <ovy> #ubuntu-release-party :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[12:02] <yofel> Pr070cal: nvidia-current works fine on all 64bit pcs I have, what was your problem and what card do you have?
[12:02] <tsimpson> as 10.10 is now release, you should probably move support discussion to #ubuntu now
[12:02] <Alan> oh dear, my CD download has slowed right down...
[12:02] <Samoi> they are indicator applets
[12:02] <danyR> ovy: the same happens with me
[12:02] <Alan> when are the torrents going to be live?
[12:02] <ovy> danyR, i think there were too many ppl writing there
[12:02] <Samoi> nm-applet uses the notification area
[12:03] <jstressman> Samoi: that's what I figured... and it's running supposedly (it's enabled in startup still), but no icon for it. :/
[12:03] <tensorpudding> the torrents are live
[12:03] <tensorpudding> at least, there are quite a large number of peers
[12:03] <Alan> oh, so they are...
[12:03] <Alan> haha
[12:03] <Samoi> so you do have a notification area applet as well as the indicator applet added to your panel?
[12:04] <danyR> I'm seeding the i386-desktop iso at 60Kib/s
[12:04] <cupis> tensorpudding, the one from releases.ubuntu.com ?
[12:04] <Alan> hmm
[12:04] <Alan> lets see if i get better rates on the torrent
[12:04] <Alan> looks like
[12:04] <Alan> awesome :)
[12:04] <ovy> hey, is ubuntu 10.10 using the ubuntu font? :)
[12:05] <tensorpudding> cupis: yes
[12:06] <tensorpudding> ovy: yes
[12:06] <yofel> danyR: the torrent connected for you? I'm seeding the ubuntu and kubuntu desktop isos, but the ubuntu ones don't have any peers here
[12:06] <virtuald> yofel: it says "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"
[12:07] <yofel> right, here too, but the kubuntu torrents work fine..
[12:07] <Alan> I'm downloading the 64-bit desktop ISO pretty fast from torrent now, seems to be about 500 peers that i can see
[12:07] <virtuald> i'm downloading the amd64 iso but i got all the peers through DHT and PeX
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> virtuald:  i get same error
[12:07] <ali1234> same
[12:07] <virtuald> of course :)
[12:07] <ali1234> tracker probably fell over
[12:08] <Samoi> I got the same error however I was still able to download and upload
[12:08] <Alan> maybe that's how i'm getting the peers too?
[12:08] <danyR> yofel: I see lots of peers. not sure if they're all downloading: http://ubuntuone.com/p/JRJ/
[12:08] <Alan> how would I know?
[12:08] <ali1234> i can download but i can't seed the images i downloaded yesterday, which just happen to be the same as the final release
[12:08]  * yofel just noticed that rtorrent has DHT off by default
[12:08] <Alan> actually, yeah, you're right
[12:08] <yofel> meh...
[12:08] <Alan> the tracker is teling me to get lost
[12:08] <Alan> <3 DHT
[12:09] <virtuald> 8]
[12:09] <Pr070cal> yofel: its cool ill try a clean install quick to final :) see if its working now i noticed there was a bug report in the links above, last post was 18hours ago so hopefully its fixed now
[12:10] <Pr070cal> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/626974
[12:10] <yofel> oh, yeah, 173 was  fixed a few days ago
[12:10] <arif-ali> Hi,
[12:11] <arif-ali> I hav ebeen using preseed for 9.10, 10.04. which worked fine
[12:11] <arif-ali> but the same preseed hasn't quite worked
[12:11] <barebone> Hi, my processor is AMD Athlon 64 3000+. Do I need to download ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent ?
[12:12] <eboyjr> What is physically wrong with Ubuntu's tracker?
[12:12] <jstressman> Samoi: sorry, it was the "notification area" that I'd removed. added that back and it's working now. :) thank you!
[12:12] <arif-ali> the installer asks me for a mirror
[12:12] <tensorpudding> barebone: you do not have to, but that version will work.
[12:12] <arif-ali> btw, this is for 10.10
[12:12] <tensorpudding> barebone: amd64 is used for all 64-bit capable x86 processors
[12:12] <yofel> barebone: you can use both isos, unless you have >3GiB of RAM and want 64bit you can just stick to the i386 iso
[12:13] <Alan> :D downloading at 1010KB/s :P
[12:13] <tensorpudding> barebone: whereas i386 is 32-bit, and works on all x86 processors that Linux can run on
[12:13] <tensorpudding> barebone: the one big niggle with 64-bit nowadays is that Adobe Flash player didn't support it until recently.
[12:14] <Alan> does flash player support 64-bit in an actual release yet?
[12:14] <tensorpudding> barebone: there's also some other proprietary software that doesn't
[12:14] <barebone> tensorpudding, do you mean that ubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent will work fine? I'm running i386 version of Lucid.
[12:14] <Alan> or is it still an "alpha ancient build" ?
[12:14] <_kroson_> Alan: still alpha :S
[12:14] <Alan> on the other hand, that "alpha" has been working fine for me for 2 years now
[12:14] <_kroson_> but its not old, the latest one is less than a month old
[12:14] <tensorpudding> barebone: If you're already running lucid, you should upgrade using the Upgrade Manager.
[12:14] <danyR> as anyone read this: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/10/try-ubuntu-server-in-cloud-on-our-dime.html ?
[12:14] <Alan> a lot more stable than the wrapped-32-bit stuff
[12:14] <tensorpudding> barebone: unless you really want to wipe out your current install
[12:14] <dmatt> tensorpudding: i am on amd64 for 2 years an always had flash working
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> dmatt:  same here.
[12:15] <barebone> tensorpudding, but I have question to upload. Will it erase data, or any software support problem?
[12:15] <barebone> tensorpudding,  *update
[12:15] <tensorpudding> barebone: running the update from the update manager will not touch your personal data
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> theres always a possibilty for issues with upgeradeing... when in doubt backup your imporntant stuff..
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> thats just common sence.
[12:16] <barebone> tensorpudding, even the home folder?
[12:16] <yofel> well, 32-bit flash on 64bit worked fine here too, but I got npviewer.bin crashes all the time and had to reload the site to get flash working again, the new 64bit flash pre-release works fine so far
[12:16] <tensorpudding> barebone: it won't touch the home folder
[12:16] <barebone> tensorpudding, if that's it, then I will update. That will save a lot effort.
[12:17] <Alan> yeah, that's what happened for me, the plugin wrapper is what always crashed...
[12:17] <Alan> I <3 that google chrome will use plugins in your ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:17] <BUGabundo> motning
[12:17] <BUGabundo> happy 101010 and happy 10.10 release
[12:18] <barebone> tensorpudding, for your information, my home directory is not a separate drive, I use all of my last dive for ubuntu.
[12:18] <barebone> tensorpudding, Do you think it's still safe?
[12:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Mornin'
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> Upgrading the system should not touch anytying in the users home at all.
[12:18] <arif-ali> anyone have any ideas on my problem, is there a specific argument that I may be missing?
[12:18] <tensorpudding> barebone: it will be safe
[12:19] <dmatt> Dr_Willis: it will touch settings in hidden folders
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> dmatt:  what settings?  Ive never seen the package manager ever touch anything in /home/usernames
[12:20] <yofel> ok, with DHT enabled the ubuntu torrents finally seed too :)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> when downloading the torent do i just open it for the .iso?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> it has been a damn load time since i downloaded without using my script
[12:21] <gnomefreak> s/load/long
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak:  double click on torrent.. starts torrent clients. and starts downloading the  iso.
[12:21] <dmatt> Dr_Willis: settings for all programs, like ~/.kde or ~/.gnome - i think it is changed to new defaults
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: thanks
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> dmatt:  ive never seen that happen in several years of ubuntu ussage.
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> dmatt:  it can change the system defaults.. but user settings hav3 always been untouched, and those can override the system defaults
[12:22] <tsimpson> dmatt: packages NEVER touch $HOME, the updated applications will when first run though
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> or they 'can' at least change :)
[12:23] <dmatt> tsimpson: it means it is changed after all
[12:23] <tsimpson> dmatt: but not by the update, only by the actual applications
[12:23] <tsimpson> if you don't run the newly updated app, it's not changed
[12:24] <dmatt> tsimpson: I get the point
[12:25] <jstressman> no ideas on why I can't see Kanji? :/
[12:26] <dmatt> just saying "Upgrading the system should not touch anytying in the users home at all." is not the whole truth, because all the application then do changes
[12:26] <tsimpson> no, the upgrade doesn't touch any user files. the upgraded application will
[12:26] <tsimpson> but that can only happen after they have been upgraded
[12:27] <dmatt> just backup if any data conversion goes wrong that's what i'm trying to promote
[12:27] <tsimpson> hence, the upgrade will not touch anything in $HOME
[12:29] <barebone> tensorpudding, just a question, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades page says, I need to backup of my important data.
[12:29] <skyburne1> today is 42
[12:29] <skyburne1> 101010 -> 42
[12:29] <skyburne1> cool date
[12:29] <barebone> tensorpudding, does it applicable for older versions?
[12:29] <penguin42> skyburne1: Heck I hadn't realised that!
[12:30] <skyburne1> this date is a towel date
[12:30] <skyburne1> unique
[12:30] <jstressman> if I just installed a 10.10 nightly 2 days ago, do I need to reinstall, or can I "upgrade" to the release version?
[12:30] <rumpe1> jstressman, you don't need to do anything special... just upgrade your packages as usual
[12:30] <jstressman> rumpe1: k. thanks. :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> if you upgraded recently - you may allready be up to date
[12:31] <dmatt> tsimpson: technically you're 100% correct. But if my wihe would asked that question, I would say your settings will be changed because that is the end result of  upgrade process and then running same applications as usual
[12:31] <dmatt> wife
[12:31] <Pr070cal> should i update first then install the nvidia drivers or install the drivers then update ?
[12:32] <tsimpson> dmatt: then the same can be said about most regular updates
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Pr070cal:  it really shouldent matter.
[12:32] <Pr070cal> i was having the xorg 19. in-compatable issue on beta
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Pr070cal:  i would upgrade, then install the drivers
[12:33] <Pr070cal> cool fingers crossed :)
[12:33] <dmatt> tsimpson: regular updates do not change application versions, only bugfixes are included, which should not be any problem
[12:34] <tsimpson> dmatt: not always true, an app can change the way it manages settings as part of an update
[12:34] <tsimpson> it may add/remove settings or change default values
[12:38] <dmatt> tsimpson: any disruptive change must follow SRU policy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[13:14] <jstressman> hrm.... torrent is just sitting at 94.96% :(
[13:14] <jstressman> has been for like 30 mins.
[13:18] <lapion> what time will this channel be converted to ubuntu ?
[13:19] <yofel> lapion: this channel is already invite only and redirects you too #ubuntu
[13:19] <yofel> it will be open again once the natty toolchain has been uploaded (around UDS usually)
[13:20] <BUGabundo> it is?
[13:20] <jstressman> restarting Transmission fixed it... 96.32% now...
[13:20] <BUGabundo> so I managed to get in on time?
[13:20] <jstressman> I'll finish it and leave it seeding.
[13:20]  * BUGabundo looks at builders for toolchain entries
[13:20] <yofel> BUGabundo: you got in 4 minutes before it was closed :P
[13:21] <BUGabundo> YAY for me :D
[13:21] <BUGabundo> its always so frustrating
[13:22] <BUGabundo> ahh I missed ikonia /topic change
[13:24] <ikonia> easy to miss
[13:28] <Kuba> !isitout
[13:29] <Kuba> holy @#$$@# ;]
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> You just ruined the quiet! :P
[13:29] <Kuba> where is the party?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> !party
[13:29] <Glowball> Not at #ubuntu-release-parte, that's for sure
[13:29] <Glowball> party*
[13:30] <Kuba> Something's happenging there
[13:30] <Kuba> gonna be goin!
[13:32] <penguin42> no wonder it's still so quiet then :-)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> Yep
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> compaer3d to the anarchy in #ubuntu
[13:35] <Ian_corne> :)
[13:35] <Glowball> Why +m?
[13:36] <Glowball> Hmm, until Natty alpha comes out?
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. we are special.
[13:37] <BUGabundo> "soon" hummmmm baconnnnn
[13:37] <tsimpson> because any discussion in here will be offtopic
[13:38] <tsimpson> support for released versions is in #ubuntu, and general chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:38] <tsimpson> party in #ubuntu-release-party
[13:38] <tsimpson> so, until alpha1, this channel is a bit pointless :)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Im still wondering if the TERM variable gettting set to dumb bug ever got fixed..
[13:39] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: no. #ubuntu+2 is ON topic
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> because its still happening here.
[13:39] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Bug 621927 ?
[13:39] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: once toolchain is up, ill be upgrading
[13:39] <BUGabundo> not so pointless for me
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  i found about 4 terminal emulators still haaving the same issue
[13:39] <tsimpson> BUGabundo: then you should idle in -devel :)
[13:39] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Yeh they're all ones that share the same core problem
[13:39] <BUGabundo> those are to hardcore for me :P
[13:40] <BUGabundo> I love my friends in this #
[13:40] <BUGabundo> got used to _live_ in here, for the past 3 years
[13:40]  * penguin42 pats BUGabundo
[13:40] <tsimpson> if -devel is hard-core, upgrading your toolchain is probably not a good idea :p
[13:40] <BUGabundo> learned a lot with many of the regular
[13:40] <BUGabundo> made friendships
[13:40] <BUGabundo> and miss some that are now gone
[13:40]  * BUGabundo looks at bruce89
[13:40] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: those are not the same :P
[13:41] <BUGabundo> I can't run stable
[13:41] <BUGabundo> its to bored
[13:41] <BUGabundo> even my android runs kernel 2.6.35.7
[13:41] <BUGabundo> that's more up to date then most PCs
[13:43] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You know how to build kernels from git right?
[13:44] <BUGabundo> penguin42: never did it :P
[13:44] <BUGabundo> you guys keep forgetting, I try to be _just_ an user
[13:44] <BUGabundo> one that is somewhat more informed then others, and likes to provide support, ideas, feedback, file bugs
[13:45] <tsimpson> -devel would welcome you :)
[13:47] <BUGabundo> I'm afraid seb128 would smack my arse jk jk
[13:48] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: but dully noted, once I logoff here, ill join -dev
[13:48] <tsimpson> anyone can still idle here, just not speak ;)
[13:50] <BUGabundo> shame
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Shhhh,,,, we are idleing!
[13:56] <BUGabundo> jpds: how are mirrors?
[13:57] <BUGabundo> guess it's a good time to re-update my isos
[13:57] <BUGabundo> _all_ of them
[13:57] <BUGabundo> around 20GBs
[14:01] <lapion> I was wondering if it's possible to convert/upgrade from 32bit to 64bit
[14:02] <tsimpson> no, you'll need to reinstall
[14:03] <penguin42> lapion: I have seen someone do a truly grim hack to do that - but it's truly truly grim
[14:04] <BUGabundo> lapion: no
[14:04] <BUGabundo> yeah, in theory its possible
[14:04] <BUGabundo> just move 32bits lib dir, and install the 64bits with -force
[14:05] <lapion> I have done upgrades by simply changing the software sources.. but after a certain version it was not possible anymore
[14:05] <BUGabundo> change aptdb arch and then install a 64bits kernel
[14:05] <BUGabundo> lapion: do your self a favor : DON'T DO IT
[14:05] <BUGabundo> dpkg -l your install packages
[14:05] <BUGabundo> or even better dselect
[14:06] <BUGabundo> backup /etc
[14:06] <BUGabundo> reinstall 64bits restore dselect package list and settings
[14:06] <BUGabundo> you are done in 10 min
[14:06] <lapion> well can do a full-backup.. and then try it just for trying.. it's a scratch system anyhow..
[14:06] <BUGabundo> ofc
[14:24] <gnomefreak> ah much better :)
[14:32] <gnomefreak> cool