[07:50] <voipster3> Hi
[07:50] <voipster3> I am new here and have just downloaded the maverick for arm
[07:51] <voipster3> I have made the image to the SD card and booted on the beagleboard C3
[07:51] <voipster3> but there is not display can anyone help?
[07:52] <voipster3> the sd led lights are blinking so it is reading from the card and atm this computer I cannot connect it to a serial port
[07:52] <voipster3> so i cannot actually see whats going on
[09:50] <dhiry2k> hi all, i have installed ubuntu armel 101.10 xfce4 but it looks like red in color
[09:50] <dhiry2k> may be need any setting
[09:50] <dhiry2k> ?
[09:51] <persia> Um, from where/how did you install that?
[09:52] <persia> Also, please confirm that you're talking about 10.10, rather than having run into an accident related to the prior-state backup facility in the 2101 fall release.
[09:55] <dhiry2k> persia, yes i have installed 10.10  http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ maverick/main
[09:55] <persia> So just `apt-get install xfce4` ?
[09:55] <dhiry2k> persia, yes
[09:56] <dhiry2k> persia, i have created rootfilesystem using rootstock
[09:56] <persia> Ah, yeah, that gets the raw, unfiltered, base configuration, which may not be ideally integrated.
[09:56] <dhiry2k> in which i have given option as  xfce4
[09:56] <dhiry2k> persia, so i need to do ?
[09:56] <persia> There's been no reported testing, but I'd strongly suggest installation of "xubuntu-desktop" to get an XFCE-based integrated desktop experience.
[09:57] <dhiry2k> persia, which is best light wdesktop environment
[09:57] <persia> That should pull all the right extra libraries, themes, settings packages, etc.
[09:57] <dhiry2k> lxde or xfce4
[09:57] <persia> I disbelieve that "best" means anything in this context.
[09:58] <persia> Personally, I tend to use a GNOME-based environment (with a few bits removed).  I know several people who swear by XFCE and Enlightenment, and there's lots of folk who seem to believe LXDE is even better.
[09:58] <dhiry2k> persia, if i install xuduntu-desktop then it actually installs many packages which i dont need
[09:58] <persia> dhiry2k, Try `apt-get --no-install-recommends install xubuntu-desktop`
[09:59] <dhiry2k> persia, if i have a debian source what will be the way to recompile this for arm
[09:59] <persia> But yeah, it probably installs more than you need: it's supposed to install a fully integrated environment (although I don't think any of the Xubuntu guys use armel).
[10:00] <dhiry2k> persia, for armel which desktop environment normally prefereed in ubuntu
[10:00] <persia> Trivial recompile: `apt-get --compile source ${PACKAGE}` with deb-src lines pointing at Debian.
[10:00] <voipster3> hi
[10:00] <dhiry2k> package is locally available not at debian or ubuntu repo
[10:00] <persia> There are three tested images: Ubuntu Netbook 2D (GNOME/EFL), Kubuntu Desktop (Qt), and Kubuntu Mobile (Qt).
[10:00] <dhiry2k> i mean source is at local system
[10:01] <persia> Oh, for a local package, I tend to prefer to use pbuilder or sbuild.  Some folk just dpkg-source -x the package and debuild -b it.
[10:01] <voipster3> I have a beagleboard C3
[10:01] <persia> Using pbuilder/sbuild is much cleaner, but requires some setup.
[10:01] <dhiry2k> but it may need to setup cross toolchain
[10:01] <persia> voipster3, Hey.  Saw your message from earlier.  how is the display connected?
[10:02] <voipster3> HDMI
[10:02] <persia> dhiry2k, Why a cross toolchain?  Just compile natively.  All the packages in Ubuntu are compiled natively.
[10:02] <voipster3> It seems that the omapfb is not starting
[10:02] <persia> Does even the text in the beginning when jasper does the resize not show?
[10:02] <dhiry2k> persia, but i need to install it in armel i.e arm board os
[10:03] <persia> dhiry2k, OK.  So, build it on an ARM board.
[10:03] <dhiry2k> voipster3,dmesg can tell much regarding error of omapfb
[10:03] <dhiry2k> persia, you mean do chroot and build
[10:03] <persia> dhiry2k, Hard to use with no serial console and no display :)
[10:04] <persia> dhiry2k, pbuilder and sbuild use chroot, but you can also just build in an installed environment, if you aren't concerned about repeatibility.
[10:04] <persia> voipster3, You might try mounting the SD somewhere else, and looking at the logs.  I suspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log would contain some hints.
[10:05] <dhiry2k> persia, is .net application works fine with mono in armel
[10:06] <dhiry2k> may be some games which is created using .net
[10:06] <persia> Mono is ported.  There are some bugs.  The Mono team always appreciates help.
[10:07] <voipster3> dhiry2k I can't type anything in there it is stuck
[10:07] <dhiry2k> voipster3, do you have minicom setup?
[10:07] <voipster3> not at this computer
[10:08] <voipster3> From what I saw the other day it just booted but no display
[10:08] <dhiry2k> voipster3,what actually it shows on LCD
[10:08] <voipster3> nothing
[10:08] <dhiry2k> white screen?
[10:08] <voipster3> no
[10:08] <voipster3> no signal
[10:08] <persia> voipster3, Turn it off, extract the card, mount it somewhere else, and examine the logs.  With no display and no console, you'll have a very hard time getting useful information out of the booted system.
[10:08] <voipster3> if i remove the sd card
[10:08] <voipster3> the beagle dog show
[10:09] <voipster3> ok i will look at the log
[10:09] <dhiry2k> voipster3, its better to debug using minicom
[10:09] <voipster3> also tks for the tips greatly appreciate it
[10:09] <dhiry2k> probably uboot environment is wrong
[10:09] <persia> dhiry2k, We don't enable the serial console by default, which makes that tricky :)
[10:09] <voipster3> yes i know just this computer dont have a serial port
[10:10] <voipster3> the uboot environmoent for booting is ok
[10:10] <voipster3> jsut that the display driver is not activating
[10:10] <voipster3> the read write leds blink fast
[10:10] <dhiry2k> voipster3, printenv bootcmd
[10:10] <voipster3> after a minute of blinking only read led is blinking
[10:10] <persia> voipster3, This is with a published image, or a custom image?
[10:10] <voipster3> published
[10:11] <persia> Which image?
[10:11] <dhiry2k> ompafb.mode=?
[10:11] <voipster3> didnt set any of those
[10:11] <persia> dhiry2k, jasper should be setting that automatically.
[10:11] <voipster3> it just booted
[10:11] <dhiry2k> but sometime it may go wrong
[10:11] <dhiry2k> better add manually
[10:11] <voipster3> from minicom? or is there a config i can edit?
[10:11] <persia> True, although I tend to examine logs, hating to do anything manually when there is automation available/
[10:12] <dhiry2k> voipster3, its better to have minicom
[10:12] <dhiry2k> if not then try different value omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60
[10:13] <persia> Much better to select a value based on one's actual connected display, rather than based on a guess.
[10:13] <dhiry2k> if you have HDMI port for LCD then omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720-24@60
[10:13] <voipster3> can i send you the log file?
[10:13] <dhiry2k> persia, correct
[10:13] <persia> I think I heard a rumour once that the HDMI port only provided DVI-D signals, although I may be mistaken.
[10:13] <dhiry2k> voipster3, yes
[10:13] <persia> !paste | voipster3
[10:13] <ubot2> voipster3: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[10:14] <persia> voipster3, Use a pastebin rather than sending, in case someone lurking has an idea.
[10:14] <voipster3> ok you got to excuse me since i am not an avid irc user
[10:14] <dhiry2k> persia, while installing packages in chroot environment getting error as omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60
[10:14] <dhiry2k> sorry
[10:14] <dhiry2k> error as Unsupported ioctl: cmd=0xc020660b
[10:15] <persia> Then use a chroot on an armel device, rather than a qemu-chroot :)
[10:15] <persia> Otherwise ignore them: most of them don't matter, although you may have issues with some.
[10:16] <voipster3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/509963/
[10:16] <voipster3> this is for the X log
[10:18] <voipster3> Jan  1 00:00:13 acorn kernel: [    2.059570] omapfb omapfb: failed to allocate framebuffer
[10:18] <voipster3> Jan  1 00:00:13 acorn kernel: [    2.065063] omapfb omapfb: failed to allocate fbmem
[10:18] <voipster3> Jan  1 00:00:13 acorn kernel: [    2.070007] omapfb omapfb: failed to setup omapfb
[10:18] <voipster3> Jan  1 00:00:13 acorn kernel: [    2.074798] omapfb: probe of omapfb failed with error -12
[10:18] <voipster3> This is from the kern.log
[10:20] <voipster3> dhiry2k need to see dmesg file too?
[10:22]  * persia suspects some missing "MEM" or "VMEM" or somesuch setting and hunts docs
[10:22] <voipster3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/509966/
[10:22] <voipster3> this is the dmesg file
[10:23] <persia> I think jasper didn't run correctly: you ought have a "VRAM=12M" argument set, which should prevent the "omapfb: failed to allocate fbmem" bit.
[10:24] <persia> I've never seen "omapfb.vram=1:4M,2:4M" passed previously.
[10:25] <voipster3> so i need to manually type it at boot each time or is there a way to permanently change it?
[10:26] <persia> I think you'd permanently change it in uboot settings
[10:26] <voipster3> so i need to do it from minicom?
[10:26] <persia> And I suspect the "omapfb.vram" parameter is hitting my attempt to prevent stomping on user-supplied values, and causing vmem=12M not to be set.
[10:26] <persia> No.
[10:26] <persia> You can change the settings in the uboot configuration on an SD, and boot using the uboot on SD.
[10:27] <voipster3> ok
[10:27] <voipster3> so i just directly edit the file?
[10:28] <persia> May as well try.  Just make a backup first.  You're unlikely to damage anything playing with kernel command line parameters.
[10:29] <voipster3> atm i dont have minicom here can i just use a desktop to edit the file?
[10:30] <voipster3> the answer is now :P
[10:30] <voipster3> no
[10:30] <persia> Of course you can.  it's just a text file.
[10:31] <voipster3> umean the u-boot.bin file?
[10:31] <persia> Isn't there something like a boot.scr or similar?
[10:31] <voipster3> yes
[10:31] <persia> I think that's it.
[10:31] <voipster3> but it says its a binary file
[10:31] <voipster3> ok i'll try from cli
[10:31] <persia> Hmm.  You might want someone else to advise you then.
[10:32] <persia> I tend to just complain until someone makes a bootloader work, and then stick to userspace.
[10:32] <voipster3> hehe understand
[10:32] <voipster3> tks for the time though
[10:34] <voipster3> the boot.scr has the setting of vram=12M
[10:35] <voipster3> fatload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 uInitrd
[10:35] <voipster3>     setenv bootargs vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60    root=/dev/mmcb$
[10:35] <voipster3>     bootm 0x80000000 0x81600000
[10:35] <persia> Dunno then.  That's the bit on my C4 that makes it not have issues with memory for the framebuffer.
[10:35] <voipster3> it seems the bootm address maybe wrong
[11:44]  * persia grumbles about cannot-redistribute clauses, and retailers who remove all such software when selling devices, even though that makes them useless :(
[11:45] <ogra_ac> dont buy such hw then :P
[11:46] <persia> But it cost half the price of the Dynabook AZ, and amitk might have a working kernel for it...
[11:46] <persia> (plus the Dynabook AZ has *even more* unredistributable software)
[11:47] <ogra_ac> the dynabook has a working kernel too :P
[11:47] <persia> 2.6.36?
[11:48] <persia> Anyway, it's not that hard to download the recovery image, and reinstall from the vendor (although I kinda wish the instructions didn't expect you had a working device to use to build the recovery image to recover the non-working device, but ...)
[11:51] <ogra_ac> no, 2.6.29 but sources are public
[11:55] <persia> I've public working Ubuntuised 2.6.29 sources, plus a known tree that is targeting 2.6.36 that *should* work.  Mind you, I still end up with unredistributable firmware for the WiFi, but...
[12:07] <persia> Hrm.  This might be going back to the shop tomorrow.  Full reinstall from the vendor site, and still no working WiFi :(
[12:08] <ogra_ac> sad
[12:09] <ogra_ac> got a link with specs and pics ?
[12:09] <ogra_ac> oh !
[12:09] <persia> To the PC-Z1?
[12:09] <persia> There's heaps of them.
[12:09]  * ogra_ac just found a flashlite that might run on the ac100
[12:09] <persia> Nifty.
[12:09] <ogra_ac> extracted from the netwalker apparently :)
[12:10] <persia> This is (theoretically) the same device I dropped in my sink in April, except this one doesn't work :(
[12:10] <ogra_ac> ah
[12:10] <persia> Strange.  The Netwalker doesn't ship with Flash: it's a bonus for registering for use.  Someone broke terms of service.
[12:11] <ogra_ac> http://www2.jkkmobile.com/FlashLite3.1_Firefox_plugin.tar.gz
[12:11] <persia> Be warned that it will be an ARMv5 binary.  Ought work, but may not have the optimisations you'd prefer.
[12:11] <ogra_ac> http://carrypad.com/2010/10/02/coming-to-you-from-ubuntu-on-the-arm-based-ac100-its-working-well/
[12:11] <ogra_ac> from the comments there
[12:11] <persia> Oh, yeah, that there site often seems to ignore redistribution provisions of licenses.  handy in many ways.
[12:11] <ogra_ac> i havent tried it yet but got the tarball on disk
[12:12] <ogra_ac> all help is in japanese :P
[12:12] <ogra_ac> even the script comments in the install script are
[12:12] <persia> Of course.  Why would anyone want anything less concise?
[12:12] <ogra_ac> haha
[12:13] <persia> I can recommend some books to learn how to read, if you like ... :p
[12:14] <ogra_ac> nah, looking at the code most stuff is easy to figure out
[12:15] <persia> See, Japanese is intuitive, like all good iconographic languages.
[12:15] <persia> Plus, you're already used to verb-at-the-end-of-the-sentence-placing grammer :p
[12:16] <armin76> ogra_ac: can't you use gnash or swfdec?
[12:16] <ogra_ac> armin76, you might, havent tried it yet
[12:17]  * ogra_ac isnt after flash so much i just dont say no if i find it :)
[16:18] <persia> ogra_ac, So, for all my whining earlier, the solution turned out to be me discovering that Fn+1 turns on and off WiFi :)
[16:20] <ogra_ac> lol
[16:20] <ogra_ac> arent HW keys fun
[16:22] <persia> I guess.  If nothing else I've verified the OS restore procedure, enabled support for my USB ethernet, and practiced reading (even learned some new grammar to understand a post on a gentoo forum having the same issue)
[16:29] <lag> ogra_ac: Are you still in Tx?
[16:29] <ogra_ac> lag, nope
[16:30] <ogra_ac> home again
[16:32] <lag> How did everything go?
[16:33] <persia> lag!  You'd know.  If I have a git tree, how do I get a kernel .deb?
[16:34] <lag> Compile and package it :)
[16:35] <persia> In that order?
[16:35] <persia> I was kinda hoping there was some wiki doc that let me add some base debian/ to the results of git clone...
[16:36] <lag> Which tree are you trying to complile?
[16:36] <lag> compile*
[16:36] <lag> And which arch?
[16:36] <persia> http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/amitk/linux-2.6.git for armel
[16:36] <lag> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[16:36] <lag> fakeroot debian/rules binary-omap
[16:37] <persia> There's no debian/ directory...
[16:37] <lag> Then you can use make-kpkg
[16:37] <persia> Is it safe to just copy a random kernel debian/ directory, and then fight with the ABI checker ?
[16:38] <persia> Heh.  OK.  I remember how to do that.  I just thought there might be some Ubuntu way (and haven't built my own kernel since moving from sarge-in-process to warty)
[16:39] <lag> The Ubuntu way is to build our own kernels, which do have a debian directory :)
[16:39] <ogra_ac> lag, well, we have a release on time ... so it went well i'd say
[16:39] <ogra_ac> lag, we still have to do an SRU for fixing the sudio issue though
[16:39] <persia> lag, Doesn't support my hardware.  I'd be happy to use your kernels, if you want to build for my HW.
[16:40] <lag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev
[16:41] <ogra_ac> persia, the upstream kernel has a script for rolling debs
[16:41] <ogra_ac> make deb-pkg should be sufficient
[16:41]  * ogra_ac plans to use that for the ac100 kernel
[16:42]  * persia has an inbuilt distrust of all upstream methods of making .debs, regardless of upstream, and with full irrationality enabled
[16:42] <ogra_ac> yeah, it wont be great
[16:42] <ogra_ac> but give you a deb
[16:42] <ogra_ac> with the files in the right places at least
[16:42] <ogra_ac> i dont think it includes any maintainer scripts
[16:43] <persia> Indeed.
[16:43] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild looks *almost* like the right bit.
[16:43] <lag> Yep
[16:44] <lag> The one in our repos is broken though
[16:44] <lag> You need the latest version
[16:44] <lag> You can get it from the Debian repos
[16:44] <persia> What?
[16:44] <persia> Why didn't that get updated?
[16:45] <lag> *shrugs*
[16:45] <lag> Ask userspace
[16:45] <ogra_ac> because nobody encourages custom kernel builds ?
[16:46] <persia> Yeah, I know.  Part of why I switched to Ubuntu was a blog comment about never compiling one's own kernels.
[16:46] <persia> (and now I'm at it again anyway)
[16:47] <ogra_ac> bad HW choice :)
[16:47] <armin76> rofl
[16:49] <lag> I'm off for something to eat
[16:49] <lag> Enjoy
[16:52] <persia> ogra_ac, At least it ships with Ubuntu, unlike what you're currently using :p
[16:52]  * persia is careful to not so denigrate ogra or ogra_cmpc
[16:52] <ogra_ac> heh
[16:53]  * ogra_ac just built an androidless kernel
[16:53] <ogra_ac> will test that after dinner
[16:54]  * persia will finish building kernels in the morning, having a great desire to hide from the side-effects of having just edited wiki.ubuntu.com/ 
[16:54] <ogra_ac> heh
[21:11] <marvin24_DT> anyone with a tegra harmony board here?
[21:14] <marvin24_DT> I'm just wondering if the u-boot code at git.chromium.org/u-boot.git actually boots
[21:23] <armin76> marvin24_DT: i have, didn't work for me
[21:24] <armin76> marvin24_DT: ojn is one of the ppl doing the work
[21:24] <marvin24_DT> armin76: when did you tried it?
[21:24] <armin76> one/two weeks ago
[21:26] <marvin24_DT> the i2c and keyboard driver was added just a few (4-5) days ago
[21:26] <marvin24_DT> seems that seaboard was tested and worked
[21:27] <armin76> yeah, saw that
[21:41] <armin76> marvin24: also there's no doc about setting it up, so...
[21:42] <armin76> marvin24_DT: i tested it right now, ojn told me passing the uboot binary as kernel should do it, but nothing shows up
[21:44] <marvin24_DT> I though it should be loaded as a bootloader
[21:44] <marvin24_DT> nvflash --bl
[21:45] <armin76> you sure that wouldn't brick it?
[21:45] <marvin24_DT> the --bl command does not flash anything, it loads into the memory
[21:45] <marvin24_DT> like nvflash -w --bl uboot.bin --go
[21:46] <marvin24_DT> I do this on an other board every day
[21:48] <armin76> downloading bootloader -- load address: 0x108000 entry point: 0x108000
[21:48] <armin76> sending file: /tmp/ye.bin
[21:48] <armin76> - 791694/791694 bytes sent
[21:48] <armin76> /tmp/ye.bin sent successfully
[21:48] <armin76> waiting for bootloader to initialize
[21:48] <armin76> it stays there
[21:49] <marvin24_DT> nothing on the console?
[21:49] <armin76> nope
[21:49] <marvin24_DT> mmh
[21:49] <marvin24_DT> ok, thanks!
[21:50] <armin76> yw
[21:52] <armin76> marvin24_DT: what is a seaboard?
[22:02] <marvin24_DT> armin76: seems that there are many (>5) development boards made by nvidia
[22:02] <marvin24_DT> there is no official list of it I know of
[22:02] <armin76> ah
[22:03] <armin76> k, thanks
[22:03] <marvin24_DT> looks like harmony is one of the first production boards
[22:03] <marvin24_DT> and seaboard is newer
[22:04] <armin76> yep
[22:05] <armin76> there's also whistle
[22:05] <marvin24_DT> and e116x (from u-boot tree)