[00:02] Hi!!! [00:03] hi [02:07] Not sure what to do with bug 529794 [02:07] Launchpad bug 529794 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Lucid 10.04 Alpha3 network-manager 0.8 fails to connect on boot Huawei E172 3G USB modem (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529794 [06:08] is Bug #503443 intended behaviour [06:08] Launchpad bug 503443 in ubuntu "console showing old content after folder renamed in other console (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503443 [06:10] Thingymebob: idk, probably would depends on teh filesystem [06:11] I see it on ext4, also if you create a file in term1 it then appears in the moved dir in term2 [06:11] So a file system issue or bash [06:12] if Bug #503443 is linked to an upstream Gnome bug, but then the upstream bug is marked as a duplicate of another Gnome bug, should I change the Ubuntu bug reference to the original? [06:12] Launchpad bug 503443 in ubuntu "console showing old content after folder renamed in other console (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503443 [06:12] whoops [06:12] not 503443 [06:12] but actually, bug #657545 [06:12] Launchpad bug 657545 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-shell doesn't remember how many workspaces you have (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657545 [06:12] delan_: already fixed :) [06:12] delan_: but, generally, we just update the upstream but to the new one [06:13] ah, ok then, thanks [06:13] just another question about the bug importance, [06:13] is it 'low' merely because gnome-shell is a non-default app, and therefore only a small amount of people are exposed? [06:14] and if so, what would the importance of this bug be, if gnome-shell were to be the Ubuntu default wm? [06:15] delan_: if it was a default app, I might have made it medium, have you read the importance wiki page? [06:15] yes, i have. [06:15] i've just had another look at the importance page now [06:16] delan_: ok, I also figure it's easily worked around, is this not correct (doesn't really matter since upstream will have to fix it) [06:16] work around being, "re-add workspaces each time gnome-shell is started"? if so, then that is correct. [06:16] it satisfies the "bug that has a moderate impact on a non-core application" criteria for low [06:16] delan_: yep [06:17] thanks for that [06:17] delan_: np, if you have any patches for more bug fixes, I'm happy to sponsor if I can [06:52] hey vish [06:52] my mentorship is expiring? :( what to do? [06:52] :'( [06:53] charlie-tca, hggdh ping [07:00] hi all [07:01] AbhiJit: both are most likely asleep [07:02] micahg, :( [07:02] helllo stanley_robertso [07:46] hi AbhiJit [07:47] hows ya stanley_robertso === MichealH is now known as MichealH-iPod === MichealH-iPod is now known as MichealH [08:45] If anyone in here works with transmission a lot please send a message my way. I have a bug that I am having trouble with. The user is getting an interesting message when shutting down transmission and I have a feeling this may lead to a solution if someone knows what it means. Its a Glib-GObject-warning. bug 655024 Thanks guys :) [08:45] Launchpad bug 655024 in transmission (Ubuntu) "Using higher cpu usage (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655024 [08:45] RedSingularity: kklimonda works on transmission IIRC [08:46] micahg: He is not on now is he? [08:48] hello those anybody here know how to hack for smtp [08:48] hello those anybody here know how to hack for smtp [08:48] hello those anybody here know how to hack for smtp [08:48] not on topic here [08:48] amibacha: one time suffices, but #ubuntu-server is more appropriate [08:50] micahg: Any way to send him a PM he will receive when returning? [08:51] RedSingularity, use memoserv [08:51] RedSingularity: he'll see your comments in the channel [08:51] /msg memoserv sent [messege] [08:53] Alright good enough. Gnite guys :) [09:20] bug #503443 looks like bash intended behaviour, what should I set status to? [09:20] Launchpad bug 503443 in ubuntu "console showing old content after folder renamed in other console (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503443 [09:29] Thingymebob: move to bash and mark confirmed? [09:30] micahg: Thx [09:31] Thingymebob: maintainer can mark won't fix if he thinks it should be that [09:32] Thingymebob: It's not a bug. The bash process is still in .../dir1 even when it has been renamed. [09:32] Thingymebob: Every program behaves that way. Except for the "Even worst:" part which should not happen (and does not for me). [09:33] ansgar: there is a workaround, so maintainer should choose [09:42] I agree it's not a bug, though if I invoke pwd -P, env pwd /bin/pwd would it not be reasonable to expect env var $PWD to refresh [09:43] Thingymebob: No. See the last reply in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.shells.bash.bugs/15335 [09:44] Thingymebob: zsh behaves the same, as I believe do all other shells. [09:44] ansgar: Thanks thats cleared that up [09:44] I get it now [11:21] Morning all! [11:22] bdmurray: Hi Brian, can I have my BugControl membership renewed please? :) [11:25] xteejx: it's a better idea to post to the ubuntu-bugcontrol mailing list about that [11:25] mgunes: Ahh ok, will do that thank you :) [11:27] wooo, the cat is out! meerkat is here \o/ [11:29] Certainly is! Although I can't help wondering if there should've been a slogan like "It's SIMPLES" lol === drizztbsd_ is now known as drizztbsd [12:18] happy 101010 and happy 10.10 release [13:51] Hello [13:53] hi [13:54] Is this a chat for Ubuntu Bug Squad team member ? [13:54] yes [13:54] yes as well as anyone else who wants to help triage bugs [13:55] I am not very custum with chat ... isn't it night for most of the US now ? [13:55] yabruss: No, they're waking up even now. [13:55] yabruss: East side of US will start waking up soon, anyway there are us in the rest of the world! [13:56] Yes ... I mean ... our is this chat useful if half of the team is sleeping when it happends ? [13:57] Just wondering our this may work ... [13:57] yabruss: It's not like a formal meeting or anything [13:57] yabruss: It's just things like 'anyone know what to do with this bug' [13:59] Ha ok ... chat interface should then be considered only as a "Bug management FAQ quick answering machine" ? ;o) [14:00] and some less frequently asked questions :-) [14:01] Ok ... I have then a question: [14:03] I remarked than on LaunchPad the quickest way to make a bug disappear it to mark it as duplicate of another bug. [14:03] So I think useful to work into bug around the same topic and to tidy-up making the duplicate of it ... [14:04] Is it correct ? [14:06] sorry, I don't understand what you mean [14:10] Ok ... let's say that most of the time users do not spend much time searching if there bug have a dupplicate entry. So I am asking what is the procedure to mark dupplicate bug around a technical topic (Wireless, Audio/Video, USB, softwares ...) [14:10] yabruss: If the bug is the _same_ as per your understanding (but not in the Linux package) then mark it as a duplicate [14:10] yabruss: You might add a comment saying why you think it's the same [14:11] The problem is: because marking a bug as dupplicate is the best way to vanish it from searches, how do you choose witch one is the best to keep. [14:13] yabruss: If they are the same bug then I mark the newer one as a duplicate of the older one, so you keep the one with the older number [14:13] yabruss: That's what I normally do unless for example the newer one had a much better description [14:14] Ok ... thanks [14:16] Another question: I saw that Bug-Squad team as no Forum ... did i miss it ? [14:17] I don't think so: we tend to use bugs for most of our work, and the mailing list or this channel for the remainder. [14:17] Documentation ends up on the wiki. [14:22] Haaa ... and I suppose there is no chance that a tiny voice like me that think that mailing list is messy and obsolete and that chat is nice but messy also and hard to follow because of earth time lag, will make Ubuntu work habits change ? ;o) [14:23] yabruss, I doubt it. We don't tend to use the mailing list for very much, mostly only proposals for workflow changes. [14:24] And we all know IRC is ephemeral, so don't expect it to persist. [14:24] 95% of stuff happens in Launchpad, and I can't imagine any reason we'd want to use anything other than the wiki for documentation. [14:24] What do you mean by persist ? It will be abandonned for another tool ? [14:24] What do you imagine would be the content of a forum? [14:25] We don't tend to use IRC for anything we expect to be meaningful over time. [14:27] Forum for : Team life, member skill sharing, bug statistics and sum-up at a time, neewbe coocooning, priority discussion, work affectation ... [14:28] Team life usually comes from the sense of togetherness we have with each other here, and we want realtime for that, because lots of it needs realtime. [14:28] We try to document skills on the wiki, or explain here if it's confusing. It's important that newcomers can visit up-to-date and accurate documentaiton without having to wade through the history. [14:29] The bug statistics are semi-automated, and end up on the qa reports site. I'm not sure it's worth anyone's time to copy them periodically. [14:29] I'm not sure what you mean by "neewbw coocooning" [14:30] Also for : organizing relationship with other projects (Gnome, Firefox ...) ... for me Internet Community Life = Forum with a good admin. [14:30] We have a fairly strict defintion of "importance", and tend to let each person set their own priorities for which bugs to investigate (although we all have suggestions). it's a better thing for folk to do what they want and enjoy than to fuss about having a focus for the team. [14:31] I'm also not sure what you mean by "work affectation" [14:31] We need to coordinate with other projects in their bug trackers, rather than their forums. They expect that. [14:32] Ok ... but user that get into a team would like a bit more efficiency I think (in termes of human organization) ? [14:32] Just to be clear, I'm not telling you not to create a forum if you like, I'm just telling you why I think it's not necessary. [14:32] To get more human organization and efficiency [14:32] The current requirement for membership is to press one button on launchpad. I'm unsure how to make it more efficient. [14:32] Admin can do [14:33] You want to stay into the team ... then work [14:33] Doesn't that imply waiting for someone to do something? [14:33] Right now, someone can press a button and get started. no waiting for anyone else. [14:36] ;o) Just that discussion because I was involved into a community recently only working with a Forum. I noticed there that people can enjoy being challenged while only reward by a nice group membership and that it can really bring efficiency. [14:37] Oh, I agree that challenge combined with group membership brings both efficiency and a sense of satisfaction to participants. [14:38] I got more involved intu Ubuntu community a few month ago and was very lost on how it may work ?!? [14:38] I just happen to think the teams who hang out here (bug squad, bug control) tend to have that without using a forum today. [14:38] and I'm not convinced that an expectation to follow a forum wouldn't reduce people's time to follow the bugs. [14:39] Yeah, it's huge and there's *lots* of different ways to get involved, and *lots* of different stuff to do, and that means it's too easy to get lost. [14:40] persia: Hey persia :) [14:40] "tend to have that without using a forum today" Ok so how do they manage (and who exactly) human in their team ? [14:41] Well, we chat here, and we see each other's work on the bugs, and when we come to decisions, we put them on the wiki. [14:41] yabruss: In my opinion, web forums are not very helpful when you need to interact with different communities. Mailing lists are easier to follow than several web forums (possibly using different software). [14:41] We have meetings to discuss stuff that needs to be discussed as a whole team. [14:42] Personally I don't like upstreams that only use forums (and no mailing lists), because it takes more time for me to reach them. And to follow discussions there. [14:42] good morning (or whatever, in your TZ) [14:43] 2:42 pm ;) [14:43] 08:43 :-) yeah, I overslept [14:43] :) [14:43] xteejx: so you are back? [14:43] hggdh: I am indeed ;) [14:43] ansgar, I prefer upstreams that use bug trackers :) [14:44] xteejx: glad to hear... I will take care of your membership on -control (in a few min) [14:44] hggdh: Cool, thanks :) [14:44] I still have access but it goes in 2 days [14:44] Only been away 2 months I think === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_movies === BUGabundo_movies is now known as BUGabundo_AFK === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [14:50] xteejx: done [14:50] hggdh: Nice one, thanks for that :) [14:50] xteejx: my pleasure [14:52] persia: may you indicate me what is then the best entry point to discover Ubuntu community ? By best I meen: where all is summaried (you talk about QA site, I remember now it took me hours to find it). [14:53] yabruss, I don't believe "best" has other than personal meaning. [14:53] yabruss: Everything regarding BugSquad, BugControl and all information on how to get involved, etc is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [14:54] yabruss, That said, I believe you will find it easiest to get involved with each aspect of the Ubuntu community separately. Depending on which methods you prefer to use to communicate and collaborate, you'll find other people with whom to do things. [14:55] If you're interested in bug triage, you've found us here, and you're more than welcome to help. Check the wiki for docs, ask questions if you have them. Ask for help whenever you're unsure about bugs: even people who have been in bugsquad since launchpad started ask for help here on tricky bugs. [14:57] the firehose doesn't seem to be as high pressure as I'd expected to be at this point [14:57] penguin42: Bit of a random comment lol [14:58] Ok ... I see ... actually where i get "frustrated" is that i cannot talk to everyone in the team having a discussion on a topic of my skils only (Chat and maillist mix all subjects) [14:58] xteejx: Well I would have expected bugs to be coming in much higher rate at this point [14:58] penguin42: Same here, maybe they're all watching the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, 101010 = 42 ;) [14:59] Try $DEADBEEF [14:59] * penguin42 hands xteejx a bowl of petunias [15:00] * xteejx laughs out loud [15:00] penguin42, Side effect of LTS+1 : folks don't get auto-prompted for upgrade. [15:00] persia: Ah makes sense [15:00] I never thought of that, it's set to "Long-term release only"...on another note, must say I'm liking the new Ubuntu font [15:01] Still annoyed the IRC window scrolling horizontally in emapthy though when typing :( [15:02] xteejx, File an upstream bug: that gets confusing fast. [15:02] Still annoyed by my laptop that overheat if I let both CPU to go over 800MHz [15:02] persia: Upstream were made aware 6 months ago [15:02] xteejx, Hrm. Dunno then. [15:03] I can live with it, will just type shorter messages :) [15:03] yabruss, That sounds like it needs a hardware solution. [15:03] yabruss: Isn't an HP/Compaq laptop is it?? [15:03] Question: I see Upstream word being used a lot here... what does it mean please ? [15:03] No Toshiba Satelite [15:03] yabruss: Where the package is developed [15:04] yabruss, We imagine free software to be like a river system. Upstream means closer to the wellspring of creation (the original authors), downstream means closer to the intermingled ocean (user installs) [15:04] yabruss: e.g. Ubuntu uses Linux now you can report a bug in Ubuntu's bug tracker against linux and there is a bug tracker for Linux itself, so when you are fairly sure the bug isn't just Ubuntu specific you can report the bug 'upstream' into the main Linux bug tracker [15:04] Upstream = developer - simple as that [15:05] No. [15:05] ok [15:05] xteejx, Debian is also upstream to Ubuntu, but downstream from the current maintainer (who may be downstream from the original author) [15:06] Well it's a little more complex than that I realise, but essentially to make it easier I said developer [15:06] Is there a map of the river in QA site ? ;o) [I know the answer] [15:06] And often developers (especially funded developers) will work somewhere downstream (on their own projects), and push finished work upstream (for everyone to build on) [15:06] yabruss, It's impossible to map: it's far too large. [15:06] No, sorry [15:07] But this gives us the some of the upstream bug trackers - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers [15:07] persia: I don agreen because everything into Ubuntu scope should be the base of bug-squad ;o) [15:08] Think of it as a flowchart with each development or piece as a separate box, all of which connect to make the entire workflow, from developer to Debian/Ubuntu, down to say Linux Mint (Ubuntu-based distro), but of course UYbuntu contributes back to Debian and developers, so it would be far too complex to show in one image [15:08] What? Why? [15:08] Easier to visualise [15:09] persia: I mean that bug hunters finally achieve to say that a bug is into or not Ubuntu scope [15:09] No. We aren't nearly that presumptous. [15:10] Mostly we try to make sure bugs are able to be understood. If they cannot be understood, we mark them as such. [15:10] Now we DO have a graphic for that on the wiki...bug workflow [15:10] When they can be understood, we try to ensure they are documented well enough for folks who want to fix them to do so. [15:10] Sometimes we fix them too, but when we do that, we're often wearing other hats. [15:11] yabruss: Our workflow is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/WorkFlow [15:11] If you take a look at that, it will tell you how things progress [15:14] * penguin42 throws another brick of coal on the mirrors [15:15] Don't think they're gonna fire up properly for a few days til the news of 10.10 hit's the social news sites and people are made aware [15:15] mirrors are having a bad time today. My release mirror was up-to-date 15 hours ago, but has spent the past 7 just churning (and at a decent transfer rate). Something feels different from other release days. [15:16] I have to say whoaou ! ... Because I saw how quick it can be to have disturbing people or also how quick a "war" can begin into a web community ... I am wondering if it is sane to let user have all those rights ... [15:16] persia: Are there a lot of downloads? [15:18] I have to go ... thanks for chatting [15:21] What is this new Opinion status used for?? [15:23] xteejx: It means you can flag something that someone doesn't like something even if it's not strictly a bug [15:24] penguin42: So another status for something which we MIGHT send to brainstorm? [15:24] not sure how that works [15:25] Sort of a "we are not going to fix this, but feel free to use it as a forum [15:25] Right, got it :) [15:25] So the 64-bit debate bug would be a good example [15:26] which one is that? [15:26] hang on [15:26] damn; I've just looked at a bug on a game package and ended up playing it :-) [15:26] did it work? [15:27] charlie-tca: Yes, it's actually a clash between two packages - spider and ace-of-penguins both install /usr/games/spider [15:27] heh [15:27] xteejx, Downloads from my mirror? Not so many, but that's because it's complicated to get to, and there are a couple of much better mirrors geographically near to here. [15:28] persia: Ah right, just being nosey wanting to see if 10/10/10 is a good day for downloading our new release :) [15:28] If you use the torrents, it's an *excellent* day :) [15:28] lol [15:29] Hmm, can't seem to find that 64 bit bug [15:30] +1 on torrents :P [15:30] Maybe it was set Fix Released, sod trying to find it [15:31] Anyway guys I'm off for a bit to watch Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (it is 42 today after all) ;) [15:31] Catch ya's later [15:44] but it should be use with care [15:44] heh. wrong channel [15:51] heck, we're getting all the one line bug reports :-( [15:56] has anyone seen anything else like bug 657711 - I'm sure other people have said they've seen the same thing [15:56] Launchpad bug 657711 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "No shutdown or reboot option available after live install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657711 [15:57] penguin42: I did not see it, but when I select restart I am thrown back into GDM (instead of a reboot) [15:58] hggdh: Hmm I'm sure I've seen a bug for that as well somewhere [15:59] I do not doubt, I just did not have time to get to it (not critical) [16:01] There are lots of bugs in 10.10 [16:01] * MichealH sigh [16:02] I will be looking around LP and get someone to triage bugs [16:02] With my incy tiny screen [16:10] hggdh: Around? [16:10] MichealH: here [16:10] I have a possible bug to triage [16:10] you mean you are triaging a bug? [16:11] hggdh: I dont have the permissions [16:11] MichealH: which bug? [16:12] #657691 [16:12] Bug 657691 [16:12] Launchpad bug 657691 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "screen rotation "destroys" X (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657691 [16:12] for the record -- 'triaging a bug' means figuring out what it is about, not 'marking a bug triaged' [16:12] I think it should be High for Importance === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_movies [16:14] MichealH, How small is your screen? [16:14] MichealH: how did you confirm this bug? [16:14] persia: I am getting a 800x600 resolution [16:15] hggdh: By rotating my screen and it did destroy my screen [16:15] persia: And I can't 'Xorg - configure' I get a "Cant find screen" [16:15] Then it ha a seg fault [16:16] :L [16:18] vish, ping [16:18] MichealH: and you have the same hardware? [16:18] hggdh: Roughly [16:18] hggdh, me mentorship is about to expire. email says to contact you. so what should i do? [16:19] my* [16:19] * persia suspects it's just been done [16:19] :o [16:19] vish: http://abstrusegoose.com/303 [16:19] done what? [16:20] hggdh, ?? [16:20] helloo?? [16:20] AbhiJit: patience is a virtue [16:20] :( [16:21] AbhiJit: what is your launchpad id? [16:21] Imma see if I can find more bugs :( [16:22] See ays [16:22] https://launchpad.net/~abhi-navale hggdh [16:25] AbhiJit: I extended you for one more month [16:25] hggdh, only one month? [16:25] because this i have exams in dec. so i am not doing much in this next 3 months [16:26] hggdh, is it possible that now expire my mentorship and i can again join in jan? [16:26] AbhiJit: yes, it is possible. Please send us an email so that it will be documented [16:26] hggdh, ok i reply to that email wait [16:29] RedSingularity: FTR, javascript and Java are 2 separate things [16:31] hggdh, i sent reply to , right? [16:32] i should* [16:33] no [16:33] hggdh, then where? [16:33] hggdh, the email i got from is noreply@launchpad.net [16:33] AbhiJit: rather, yes [16:33] sorry [16:33] hggdh, ok [16:34] hggdh, email sent. [16:34] AbhiJit: thank you [16:34] :) [16:39] right, that's quite enough helping on the main #ubuntu today before I go insane [16:42] penguin42: I cannot stand being there... too confusing [16:43] it does not scale [16:48] any bugsquad-mentorship admin available? I was expired :( [16:48] ^^ not that am dead :O [16:49] when my bugcontrol membership was about to expire I got an email every day for 5days this time I got two emails. [16:50] om26er: er [16:51] om26er: what's your LP id? [16:51] hggdh, om26er [16:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~om26er [16:51] why that bugs. something changed in lp [16:53] heh [16:53] om26er: you are an mentor, are you not? [16:53] hggdh, expired :( should I apply again? [16:54] I think we forgot to update your membership to non-expiring... [16:54] no need. Setting up up now [16:55] om26er: welcome back, we missed you for a whole day! ;-) [16:56] OK. I will be AFK for about 40m [16:56] thank you hggdh :) [16:56] om26er: yw [16:56] * om26er was missed wohoo ;) [17:01] om26er, heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [17:01] om26er, my mentorship expired!!!! [17:01] :( [17:02] AbhiJit, just read it on the mailing list ;) [17:03] om26er, :( [17:03] om26er, hey but you dont feel happy. I am still going to bug you if i have doubts or bugs to solve!!! [17:03] :P [17:03] :D [17:04] ha ha but bugs dont bug me :) [17:04] :) [17:04] yah you are one of the bug eater i know [18:19] Hi, I'm trying to understand the bug resolution philosophy that exists within the Ubuntu project; specifically I'm encountering many situations whereby I actively test upcoming betas and RCs, report issues, only to find that they are not acted up. [18:20] Alright, did xubuntu change cd burners? [18:20] belak: yes [18:20] The multimedia applications page in the installer still sayd brasero. [18:20] s/sayd/says/ [18:20] mjw99: we have a lot of bugs to go through, we can't get to them all [18:20] For example; this a regression that crept in at the RC stage; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/655268 Surely someone should have looked into this before the 10.10 release? Is there more I could have done here? [18:20] Launchpad bug 655268 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Default resolution is incorrectly set (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [18:20] belak: is that in the slideshow? [18:21] micahg: yes [18:21] Unimportant but it should be an easy fix. [18:21] btw, love the new installer. [18:22] belak: please file a bug: ubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [18:22] micahg: got it. ;) [18:22] belak: thanks [18:22] I've been on gentoo for so long, it's nice to be coming back. [18:23] mjw99: sorry, I'm a little busy right now, I'll be available in a few hours if no one else picks this up [18:23] micahg; Agreed, but I think Canonical should be throwing more resources at this. If a bug reporter continually sees their work going unanswered, then eventually that bug reporter will give up. [18:24] I think internally Ubuntu are aware of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelMaverickBugHandling [18:25] micahg: do I have to do it with the ubuntu-bug tool? [18:25] Can't find the right launchpad page - report a bug boots me to the wiki [18:25] Still waiting for xubuntu to finish installing. ;) [18:25] belak: that's why I suggested ubuntu-bug, it should take you straight to the correct page [18:26] micahg: I don't have any ubuntu installs right now. Wait, xubuntu just finished... [18:26] Ok [18:26] Thanks. [18:34] hi all [18:34] folks .. need a small info .. if i have to find out.. who is my mentor.. how to find out .. seems strange question.. but iam stuck with such situation [18:34] hey stanley_robertso [18:34] :) [18:36] Alright if I uninstall kubuntu-desktop, and I decide I don't want it later, is there a way to uninstall it and all its deps? [18:37] belak: not at the moment [18:37] belak: not that easy, as the *buntu-* metapackages are set to mark all their dependencies as manually installed [18:38] you could change that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove - but I don't know if that will do what you want [18:39] Hm, I guess I'll just stick with xfce then. Thanks. [18:42] belak: you could always use a vm. [18:42] belak: You may want to visit this page: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome [18:42] belak: it's helpful [18:45] yofel, there ? [18:45] simar: hey! [18:45] yes [18:46] ashams: heya [18:46] ashams: at last [18:46] simar: haha [18:46] stanley_robertso: hi [18:47] ashams: you got my mail [18:47] stanley_robertso, tumhaaraa gajhani ho gayaa hai kyaa? :P [18:47] simar: no, when today? [18:47] ashams: just check you email and keep online on gmail [18:48] AbhiJit, i didnot get you [18:48] hi simar [18:48] ashams: that way I can get to know when you are online [18:48] stanley_robertso, you dont know hindi? [18:49] AbhiJit, i do know hindi .. but i didnot get the sentence properly [ is it mispelled ? ;) \ [18:49] stanley_robertso: I hope you are triaging some bugs ... you can mail me for any querries regarding triaging .. [18:49] stanley_robertso, i mean are you become the Gajhani? do you know the film Gajhani? [18:49] AbhiJit: I know [18:49] simar, :o [18:49] * ashams reads mail [18:49] simar, you from India? [18:50] folks, folks, let's try to stay on topic ;-) [18:50] ohhh!!!! [18:50] simar: aur kya bahar bhi koi ghajni kyu dekhega?? [18:50] AbhiJit: nice to meet you :) [18:50] simar, yah [18:51] hggdh: my appologies [18:52] simar, may i pm u [18:53] AbhiJit: you should ask to do that .. from now onwards .. [18:54] ?????? [18:54] **not :))) [18:54] ohhhhhh [18:54] AbhiJit: **you should not ask [18:54] yah got it [18:54] simar: ok, for documenting, I'll start by reading the code, and let's fire a project together! [18:55] ashams: but let me warn you that code will be really complex.. 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