| Mohan_chml | Hello people | 05:05 |
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| Mohan_chml | We need anyone to ban a guy fron #ubuntu-beginners as the Opped peeps are not there. Anyone please come in | 05:05 |
| nhandler | Mohan_chml: Asking here is pretty useless for that channel. Your best bet if no OPs are around is to just stop by #ubuntu-beginners-council. Someone there can help (there is also the ! o p s bot trigger in emergencies) | 06:14 |
| Mohan_chml | nhandler: ty :)\ | 07:27 |
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| trijntje | Hi all, the dutch might want to have a translated ubottu in #ubuntu-nl, what would need to be done to get that? | 18:48 |
| erUSUL | trijntje: translated how? the factoids? | 18:49 |
| tsimpson | run through all the factoids and make channel-(language)-specific ones | 18:49 |
| trijntje | erUSUL, yes, the factoids translated | 18:49 |
| tsimpson | translation support in ubottu (and supybot) is poor or non-existent | 18:50 |
| erUSUL | trijntje: you have to translate them yourself.... or run a clone and build your own database ... | 18:51 |
| erUSUL | in #ubuntu-es m4v runs kubot we slowly build our own db and the bot falls back to the english db when needed | 18:51 |
| trijntje | so we'd need to translated some raw file, that's not too bad | 18:51 |
| trijntje | thats also what I was thinking, maybe just leave it blank and expand it as we go | 18:52 |
| erUSUL | when you have the bot you quickly see what factoids are more used and need translation | 18:53 |
| m4v | There's no easy way for translate factoids, other than adding them manually. | 18:54 |
| trijntje | and would the bot run from some server owned by ubuntu/sponsor or just from someones basement? | 18:54 |
| erUSUL | m4v: we can dup the db in a sql file? translate then load it again? with sqlite tools ? | 18:54 |
| erUSUL | wouldn't be possible to dump ... i meant | 18:55 |
| m4v | and kubot is the only bot with the "use local language if available or default to english" feature | 18:55 |
| m4v | erUSUL: yes. is posible- | 18:55 |
| trijntje | maybe it would be best just too see what factoids are used most and translated them, rather then translating them all at once | 19:03 |
| m4v | you can look the popular factoids in the web, and tell the new factoids to the bot | 19:05 |
| trijntje | If I understood the wiki correctly some people can be set as 'moderators' who can review suggestions done for factoids? | 19:06 |
| m4v | yeah, at least for ubottu clones. | 19:07 |
| trijntje | via IRC somehow or via the web? | 19:07 |
| m4v | irc only | 19:07 |
| trijntje | do all ubottu's run from some central server or just from peoples homes? | 19:11 |
| m4v | most are sponsored I think | 19:11 |
| trijntje | ubottu.com say's "The Rackspace Cloud", but I dont suppose I'd need to e-mail them I want a bot in #ubuntu-nl? :P | 19:13 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:13 |
| erUSUL | o.0! | 19:13 |
| m4v | I believe tsimpson or jussi can get you an ubottu clone in -nl | 19:16 |
| trijntje | m4v, thanks, lets see if they show up | 19:19 |
| jussi | does -nl not have a clone? | 19:21 |
| m4v | I don't see one.. | 19:22 |
| jussi | wow | 19:22 |
| jussi | lubotu3: join #ubuntu-nl | 19:22 |
| jussi | there you are | 19:22 |
| jussi | trijntje: | 19:23 |
| trijntje | wicket | 19:23 |
| m4v | trijntje: you will have to endure with english factoids and suggest translated ones so them can be added later to the main database for some of the maintainers | 19:24 |
| trijntje | (The meeting for official approval of a bot in #ubuntu-nl is as we speak, lets hope they accept) | 19:24 |
| m4v | s/for some/by some/ | 19:25 |
| trijntje | m4v, how will the maintainers know whether or not some dutch guy is trolling? | 19:26 |
| m4v | maybe there is somebody that knows dutch | 19:44 |
| m4v | lubotu3 uses the database from ubottu, adding factoids isn't so straightforward | 19:47 |
| lubotu3 | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:47 |
| Gotiniens | I think there is enough people willing too translate to dutch | 19:48 |
| trijntje | So it wouldnt be possible to rebin !hi to "Hallo, welkom in #ubuntu-nl" without modifying ubottu? | 19:48 |
| trijntje | Gotiniens, no, someone has to review the new dutch suggestions, but that someone has to know the dutch suggestions is appropriate/not trolling etc | 19:49 |
| m4v | no, ubottu doesn't have support for translations :/ | 19:49 |
| Gotiniens | are we the first non english LoCo to request ubottu then? | 19:50 |
| Gotiniens | trijntje, someone from our own translation team could do that | 19:50 |
| trijntje | so #ubuntu-es only uses !keywords that are not used in ubottu? In that case it might be easier to run an independent instance of ubottu? | 19:51 |
| trijntje | Gotiniens, yes, but that would require someone of the team to have acces to ubottu's brain. I'm not sure the owners/maintainers of ubottu want that | 19:52 |
| m4v | I can look into making something like I did in #ubuntu-es, or dropping kubot in -nl, technically it could work, but I never tried with a third language | 19:52 |
| persia | The code for ubottu is available: if someone wants to fork it and run a separate bot. | 19:53 |
| persia | Still needs approval to run the bot, but doesn't require the same bot wranglers in every case. | 19:53 |
| m4v | trijntje: you can use a independent instance of ubottu, the only drawback is that you won't get updates from ubottu | 19:54 |
| Gotiniens | that can be arranged manually I suppose? | 19:54 |
| persia | m4v, If there's lots of calls for localised bots, it might be worth making a brain-merge-maintenance tool... | 19:54 |
| Gotiniens | because they first have to be translated anyway | 19:54 |
| trijntje | m4v, are those only factoid updates or also other kind of updates? | 19:54 |
| m4v | factoids updates, yes, the code isn't updated that often | 19:55 |
| erUSUL | why not run a clone/separate instance of kubot that has support for the two db's -- localized and ubottu's ? | 19:55 |
| trijntje | so mostly updates for new release-names I would think? | 19:55 |
| m4v | any factoid that gets updated | 19:58 |
| persia | There's also new or changed factoids every once in a while. | 19:58 |
| persia | Especially over long time: things like "extras" and "ppa" and similar didn't exist when the bots started, because the things to which they refer didn't exist. | 19:59 |
| trijntje | yes, but those would probably get added anyway if there are a lot of questions in those area's | 20:03 |
| m4v | well, if you don't mind that, then you can setup your ubottu clone, the code is in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel (you need to install supybot) you can ask us in #ubuntu-bots-team if you run into trouble | 20:40 |
| m4v | I used to have a ubottu instance free to use but looks like it died | 20:41 |
| trijntje | m4v, I will ask the dutch IRC team which option they prefer, I personally think an own instance is easiest to maintain | 20:46 |
| m4v | kubot has a better factoid plugin but haven't written any documentation in english... and there's probably some spanish bits I haven't nailed down yet. | 20:47 |
| trijntje | I dont know if there are many spanish speakers on the dutch IRC team, but I think its up to them which bot they want to use | 20:52 |
| m4v | I was just saying, I don't think it can be used in its current state. | 20:57 |
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| trijntje | m4v, sorry for the late response, I overlooked your last message. I will tell that to the dutch IRC-team | 22:08 |
| m4v | trijntje: It would be interesting to use kubot, is a sort of "prototype" for the nextgen factoid plugin, but I need to code some stuff first | 22:10 |
| m4v | so I'm not too eager to offer it right away for use it in u-nl :P | 22:12 |
| trijntje | jussi, The dutch IRC-team will deliberate about having a translated bot and how they will do that. Could you retract lubottu3 from #ubuntu-nl in the mean time, until its officially approved? | 22:12 |
| trijntje | m4v, I've looked into ubottu a bit on the wiki etc, but i know very little about it. What improvements would kubot have? | 22:14 |
| m4v | there's history tracking, you can undo/redo changes in a factoid, or see how a factoid looked previously. | 22:19 |
| nhandler | m4v: Wouldn't it be fairly trivial to store the factoid db in a vcs of some sort to allow us to roll back a factoid to prior versions? | 22:20 |
| m4v | when calling a factoid it will search first in the local language first and default to english if it wasn't trasnlated yet | 22:21 |
| trijntje | thats a nice trick, that would be handy | 22:22 |
| m4v | nhandler: I'm not sure how that it would work, you would revert changes to a certain date, but you wouldn't tell between the legit changes for the bad ones, since the db is mostly binary | 22:23 |
| persia | Be warned that some factoids (e.g. !nl) are best left intentionally untranslated. | 22:23 |
| m4v | you only translate the ones you want, you still can see the factoids of any db anyways, you can try "!hi" (spanish) or "!hi --db en" (english) with kubot | 22:25 |
| trijntje | persia, thats a good point | 22:25 |
| m4v | scratch my last statement, !hi doesn't exist for some reason... | 22:28 |
| nhandler | m4v: !hi was removed in the past few weeks iirc | 22:29 |
| m4v | works with !ubuntu | 22:29 |
| m4v | nhandler: ah.. | 22:29 |
| m4v | we even have a fake language "offtopic" for -es-ot, so factoids created there doesn't show in u-es | 22:34 |
| trijntje | m4v, i'm off now, thanks for your help, ill come by again when there are more questions or when we have a bot running | 22:39 |
| m4v | uhmm, commands like "factoid is this" or "tell nick about this" can be localized, that's probably the main features. | 22:39 |
| m4v | the problem i see now is that most of the bot's replies are in spanish, I need to nail down that. | 22:40 |
| m4v | trijntje: bye | 22:40 |
| persia | Probably needs generalisation into the same language-selection system | 22:40 |
| trijntje | jussi, The dutch IRC-team will deliberate about having a translated bot and how they will do that. Could you retract lubottu3 from #ubuntu-nl in the mean time, until its officially approved? Thanks | 22:43 |
| m4v | yes, since the kubot wasn't used outside spanish channels I never gave it much priority | 22:43 |
| m4v | s/wasn't/isn't/ | 22:43 |
| m4v | and lately I was only coding stuff for ubottu | 22:45 |
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