[05:05] Hello people [05:05] We need anyone to ban a guy fron #ubuntu-beginners as the Opped peeps are not there. Anyone please come in [06:14] Mohan_chml: Asking here is pretty useless for that channel. Your best bet if no OPs are around is to just stop by #ubuntu-beginners-council. Someone there can help (there is also the ! o p s bot trigger in emergencies) [07:27] nhandler: ty :)\ === matematikaadit_ is now known as matematikaadit === MaverickOne is now known as IdleOne [18:48] Hi all, the dutch might want to have a translated ubottu in #ubuntu-nl, what would need to be done to get that? [18:49] trijntje: translated how? the factoids? [18:49] run through all the factoids and make channel-(language)-specific ones [18:49] erUSUL, yes, the factoids translated [18:50] translation support in ubottu (and supybot) is poor or non-existent [18:51] trijntje: you have to translate them yourself.... or run a clone and build your own database ... [18:51] in #ubuntu-es m4v runs kubot we slowly build our own db and the bot falls back to the english db when needed [18:51] so we'd need to translated some raw file, that's not too bad [18:52] thats also what I was thinking, maybe just leave it blank and expand it as we go [18:53] when you have the bot you quickly see what factoids are more used and need translation [18:54] There's no easy way for translate factoids, other than adding them manually. [18:54] and would the bot run from some server owned by ubuntu/sponsor or just from someones basement? [18:54] m4v: we can dup the db in a sql file? translate then load it again? with sqlite tools ? [18:55] wouldn't be possible to dump ... i meant [18:55] and kubot is the only bot with the "use local language if available or default to english" feature [18:55] erUSUL: yes. is posible- [19:03] maybe it would be best just too see what factoids are used most and translated them, rather then translating them all at once [19:05] you can look the popular factoids in the web, and tell the new factoids to the bot [19:06] If I understood the wiki correctly some people can be set as 'moderators' who can review suggestions done for factoids? [19:07] yeah, at least for ubottu clones. [19:07] via IRC somehow or via the web? [19:07] irc only [19:11] do all ubottu's run from some central server or just from peoples homes? [19:11] most are sponsored I think [19:13] ubottu.com say's "The Rackspace Cloud", but I dont suppose I'd need to e-mail them I want a bot in #ubuntu-nl? :P [19:13] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:13] o.0! [19:16] I believe tsimpson or jussi can get you an ubottu clone in -nl [19:19] m4v, thanks, lets see if they show up [19:21] does -nl not have a clone? [19:22] I don't see one.. [19:22] wow [19:22] lubotu3: join #ubuntu-nl [19:22] there you are [19:23] trijntje: [19:23] wicket [19:24] trijntje: you will have to endure with english factoids and suggest translated ones so them can be added later to the main database for some of the maintainers [19:24] (The meeting for official approval of a bot in #ubuntu-nl is as we speak, lets hope they accept) [19:25] s/for some/by some/ [19:26] m4v, how will the maintainers know whether or not some dutch guy is trolling? [19:44] maybe there is somebody that knows dutch [19:47] lubotu3 uses the database from ubottu, adding factoids isn't so straightforward [19:47] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:48] I think there is enough people willing too translate to dutch [19:48] So it wouldnt be possible to rebin !hi to "Hallo, welkom in #ubuntu-nl" without modifying ubottu? [19:49] Gotiniens, no, someone has to review the new dutch suggestions, but that someone has to know the dutch suggestions is appropriate/not trolling etc [19:49] no, ubottu doesn't have support for translations :/ [19:50] are we the first non english LoCo to request ubottu then? [19:50] trijntje, someone from our own translation team could do that [19:51] so #ubuntu-es only uses !keywords that are not used in ubottu? In that case it might be easier to run an independent instance of ubottu? [19:52] Gotiniens, yes, but that would require someone of the team to have acces to ubottu's brain. I'm not sure the owners/maintainers of ubottu want that [19:52] I can look into making something like I did in #ubuntu-es, or dropping kubot in -nl, technically it could work, but I never tried with a third language [19:53] The code for ubottu is available: if someone wants to fork it and run a separate bot. [19:53] Still needs approval to run the bot, but doesn't require the same bot wranglers in every case. [19:54] trijntje: you can use a independent instance of ubottu, the only drawback is that you won't get updates from ubottu [19:54] that can be arranged manually I suppose? [19:54] m4v, If there's lots of calls for localised bots, it might be worth making a brain-merge-maintenance tool... [19:54] because they first have to be translated anyway [19:54] m4v, are those only factoid updates or also other kind of updates? [19:55] factoids updates, yes, the code isn't updated that often [19:55] why not run a clone/separate instance of kubot that has support for the two db's -- localized and ubottu's ? [19:55] so mostly updates for new release-names I would think? [19:58] any factoid that gets updated [19:58] There's also new or changed factoids every once in a while. [19:59] Especially over long time: things like "extras" and "ppa" and similar didn't exist when the bots started, because the things to which they refer didn't exist. [20:03] yes, but those would probably get added anyway if there are a lot of questions in those area's [20:40] well, if you don't mind that, then you can setup your ubottu clone, the code is in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel (you need to install supybot) you can ask us in #ubuntu-bots-team if you run into trouble [20:41] I used to have a ubottu instance free to use but looks like it died [20:46] m4v, I will ask the dutch IRC team which option they prefer, I personally think an own instance is easiest to maintain [20:47] kubot has a better factoid plugin but haven't written any documentation in english... and there's probably some spanish bits I haven't nailed down yet. [20:52] I dont know if there are many spanish speakers on the dutch IRC team, but I think its up to them which bot they want to use [20:57] I was just saying, I don't think it can be used in its current state. === guntbert_ is now known as guntbert [22:08] m4v, sorry for the late response, I overlooked your last message. I will tell that to the dutch IRC-team [22:10] trijntje: It would be interesting to use kubot, is a sort of "prototype" for the nextgen factoid plugin, but I need to code some stuff first [22:12] so I'm not too eager to offer it right away for use it in u-nl :P [22:12] jussi, The dutch IRC-team will deliberate about having a translated bot and how they will do that. Could you retract lubottu3 from #ubuntu-nl in the mean time, until its officially approved? [22:14] m4v, I've looked into ubottu a bit on the wiki etc, but i know very little about it. What improvements would kubot have? [22:19] there's history tracking, you can undo/redo changes in a factoid, or see how a factoid looked previously. [22:20] m4v: Wouldn't it be fairly trivial to store the factoid db in a vcs of some sort to allow us to roll back a factoid to prior versions? [22:21] when calling a factoid it will search first in the local language first and default to english if it wasn't trasnlated yet [22:22] thats a nice trick, that would be handy [22:23] nhandler: I'm not sure how that it would work, you would revert changes to a certain date, but you wouldn't tell between the legit changes for the bad ones, since the db is mostly binary [22:23] Be warned that some factoids (e.g. !nl) are best left intentionally untranslated. [22:25] you only translate the ones you want, you still can see the factoids of any db anyways, you can try "!hi" (spanish) or "!hi --db en" (english) with kubot [22:25] persia, thats a good point [22:28] scratch my last statement, !hi doesn't exist for some reason... [22:29] m4v: !hi was removed in the past few weeks iirc [22:29] works with !ubuntu [22:29] nhandler: ah.. [22:34] we even have a fake language "offtopic" for -es-ot, so factoids created there doesn't show in u-es [22:39] m4v, i'm off now, thanks for your help, ill come by again when there are more questions or when we have a bot running [22:39] uhmm, commands like "factoid is this" or "tell nick about this" can be localized, that's probably the main features. [22:40] the problem i see now is that most of the bot's replies are in spanish, I need to nail down that. [22:40] trijntje: bye [22:40] Probably needs generalisation into the same language-selection system [22:43] jussi, The dutch IRC-team will deliberate about having a translated bot and how they will do that. Could you retract lubottu3 from #ubuntu-nl in the mean time, until its officially approved? Thanks [22:43] yes, since the kubot wasn't used outside spanish channels I never gave it much priority [22:43] s/wasn't/isn't/ [22:45] and lately I was only coding stuff for ubottu