[00:08] hello. It's any channel op there? [00:08] how can we help you? [00:10] i realize today that i got banned from #ubuntu, by nick probably [00:10] I think it was because of lots of joins/leave [00:10] when my network goes unstable [00:10] normally i'm on irssi shell session, 24/7 [00:10] nick manishe [00:10] @bansearch manishe_ [00:10] No matches found for manishe_!~pioruns@92.17.192.98 in any channel [00:11] nick manishe [00:11] i'm on alternate now. [00:11] @bansearch manishe [00:11] Match: *!*@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/* by ikonia in #ubuntu on Aug 07 2010 09:02:36 (ID: 27675) [00:11] Match: *!*@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/* by ikonia in #xubuntu on Aug 07 2010 07:46:34 (ID: 27673) [00:11] Match: *!*@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/* by ikonia in #kubuntu on Aug 07 2010 09:02:20 (ID: 27674) [00:11] that's my shell [00:11] do you have chat logs for that day? [00:11] that host is currently banned [00:11] that host in public shell server [00:12] i'm on it [00:12] yes [00:12] and it has no rules or acceptable usage policy that fits with the ubuntu channel rules [00:12] look please www.bshellz.net [00:12] I know what it is [00:12] I think the fact that it is a public shell server that is the problem [00:12] it is very open to abuse by trolls [00:12] people have been using that public server to abuse the channel [00:12] i have same problem with RizonNet IRC Network and they unbanned my host finally. Somebody plays very badly [00:13] no, your provider hosts, don't police their server [00:13] What can i do? [00:13] get a different shell host provider [00:13] or don't use a shell server [00:31] it's a telepathy upstream issue [00:31] huh? [00:31] the crap Serialk pasted [00:31] fix? [00:32] nothing yet, a bug will be filled [00:32] a fix and a forward to #ubuntu-read-topic would be good [00:32] when available [00:38] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30741 [00:38] Freedesktop bug 30741 in idle "Does not properly validate UTF-8 received from the network." [Normal,New] [00:39] follow it [00:41] ikonia: discussing stuff? [00:42] ikonia: I am starting to see your point about misleading "gags/jokes" [00:43] Seeker`: yeah, he knows "why not" and if he has to ask "why can't I fish for passwords in a channel" then he doesn't need to speak [00:43] doesn't need to be in the channel either [00:43] he can see when it's released [00:43] #ubuntu-release-announce [00:44] niko: thanks [00:45] incoming bots if you are near to put or remove +/-r [00:46] you recommending +r for #u? [00:46] go for it [00:46] bot just did [00:46] what is the bot channel again? [00:47] cool [00:47] #ubuntu-ops-monitor [00:47] +r is set [00:59] hello kees [00:59] * kees waves "hi" [00:59] how can we help you on this exciting day [01:00] oooh, its alomost 01:00:00 10/10/10 [01:00] yes it is [01:00] just looking around. was surprised I didn't have ops on ubuntu-release-party, and then realized I only had ops on ubuntu-hardened. then I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements and popped in here, but I see it has a no-idle policy, so I should probably leave again. :) [01:00] and then it will be 01:00:01, 01:00:10, 01:00:11, 01:01:00, [01:02] rename yourself to anal_muhammad and join #ubuntu-women with me [01:03] he is in -women now [01:03] arranging troll raid in ##linux [01:03] MaverickOne: ping [01:04] is reisio there too? [01:04] not as yet [01:04] ok [01:05] this is cryptopsy btw, well known serial troll [01:08] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (anal_christ) [01:09] anal_christ, hello [01:09] why did he call me a cracker? [01:09] anal_christ, who? [01:09] I don't know, but your retort was worse. [01:09] they were both racist [01:10] bazhang: artofon i think [01:10] i don't remember how it's spelled [01:10] cracker is what some think of as hacker [01:10] anal_christ: I believe that he intended as in "a hacker with malicious intent", rather than the racial slur. [01:10] he knows the difference [01:10] cmon, we were talking about exploits, not brute force [01:10] Since you were talking about kernel exploits and all. [01:10] everyone know s the difference [01:10] anal_christ, at any rate, was there something else you needed to discuss here? [01:11] nah i was just wondering what the safety concern was about, because i'd like to protect myself [01:11] and then he wouldn't tell me [01:11] okay then. [01:11] i'm wondering ... how did he find ther eis an exploit in 10.10 in the first place? [01:11] he probably read it from a forum [01:11] no idea. [01:11] so why is he being such a jerk? all ubuntu ppl wants to be protected [01:11] cracker as in someone who cracks security [01:11] anal_christ, cryptopsy, right? [01:11] you can't crack security ... [01:11] some people use the term hacker [01:11] bazhang: yes [01:12] nah tsimpson , you're giving him the benefit of the doubt ... [01:12] bazhang: they're just band-names [01:12] you know what, I don't think this is a discussion we need to be having [01:12] no, I'm reading the context [01:12] tsimpson: okay, fair enough [01:12] Are you guys talking about the local privilege escalation exploit on amd64 systems? [01:12] you were talking about an alleged security hole and asking for information [01:13] i don't know amaranth, i was just asking what people thought of 10.10 [01:14] he says apparently there is an exploit [01:14] tsimpson: you're rewording that as if it was a bad thing, shame on you [01:14] erm, what? [01:15] all I said was that you asked for information, not that you wanted to exploit it [01:15] is this really for -ops ? [01:15] you seem to have a problem understanding text-based communication [01:15] nope [01:15] bazhang: it was a misunderstanding, can i go back? [01:15] the point is, anal_christ called someone a nigger [01:16] right, so lets address that [01:16] this guy is a known troll and we appear to be wasting time debating security issues [01:16] anal_christ, you seem to arranging trolls against other channels as well [01:16] nah, ask elky to explain it to you [01:16] no need [01:16] reisio is a mod in #linux [01:16] and? [01:17] it's a joke i made with him because he was so interested in the name, but its just a band name [01:17] like cryptopsy, its a band name [01:17] look if i was serious i would have said the same thing in #freenode when that guy asked me about it [01:18] the russian guy [01:18] anal_christ, I did not see any actual support questions from you [01:18] just "is 10.10 any good?' [01:18] i was asking how 10.10 is, and whether its stable, whether new GUIs have been implemented [01:18] yes it is. [01:18] no "is 10.10 any good" is not all i said [01:18] so offtopic chat [01:18] 10.10 is not the current release, and therefore offtopic for #ubuntu [01:18] ctrl+F [01:19] ? [01:19] anal_christ, 10.10 is due out today, The beta you try now is going to be a fair indication of what GUIs it has. [01:19] ctrl+F for my name you will see all the lines that weer spoken [01:19] elky: yes, it was supposed to be out today [01:19] I was there. [01:19] there was lots of talk all night [01:19] I know what was said. [01:19] bazhang: you just said that the only thing i said was "is 10.10 any good" [01:19] i asked about kernel graphics card switching during runtime [01:19] It won't be out for some time [01:19] anal_christ, offtopic-chat [01:20] which was implemented in 6.35 kern i think [01:20] uh ... not only 10.10 use .35 kerne [01:20] think we need to change the notes factoid [01:20] i have to grab a beverage, i'm very thirsty [01:20] brb 40 seconds [01:21] so, the point of this conversation is... [01:21] no idea [01:21] I mean, you could always take the trolls out to a restaurant [01:21] there are offtopic chat locations. I'm not in favor of lifting the ban (my two cents) [01:22] keep the ban, stop the inane chatter in here with him, imo [01:22] yep [01:22] anal_christ: please don't idle in this channel [01:24] someone care to remove anal_christ ? [01:25] ok i'm back [01:25] cmon man i wasn't idling [01:26] anal_christ: the ban in #ubuntu isn't being lifted at this time [01:26] you don't even know my gender bro [01:26] !ops | anal_christ [01:26] anal_christ: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [01:26] Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (anal_christ) [01:28] woo, now he nicks to "elkz" [01:28] just kick him [01:28] he's clearly trying to be an issue [01:29] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-women (elkz this is not how ubuntu channel members behave, please remove) [01:33] In #ubuntu-release-party, macer2 said: !test is bottesting [01:34] In ubottu, l32007 said: !l32007 is awesome [01:53] soreau called the ops in #ubuntu (|ntegra|) [01:54] hello macer1 [01:54] hello [01:55] how can we help you today ? [01:55] thanx, i am only testing :) [01:55] testing what ? [01:55] ubuntu channels :D [01:56] ok, well this isn't a play chanel, it's only used for operator assistance, [01:56] ok...bye [01:56] bye [01:57] Yup, it's definitely release day. [01:57] it has that facedesk feeling all over it [01:59] time for +m in -party [02:01] I think this is the day I usually take off. It seems really hectic [02:11] wait 8-10 hours... you'll loose faith in humanity [02:12] you might also consider switching to Fedora [02:12] I'm already there [02:20] lol [02:20] that all sounds really exciting [02:20] he laughs at our pain :( [02:20] I say we kick him [02:20] ikonia: would you do the honors :) [02:20] heh [02:20] win 30 [02:20] fail [02:21] I apologize profusely for all my fail [02:21] I'm sorry. I didn't mean to laugh [02:21] highvoltage: forgiven [02:21] It just seemed real funny. Maybe it is too late for me already [02:21] :P [02:22] charlie-tca: we still wuv u [02:22] Thanks and hugs to all [02:23] MaverickOne: thank you!!!! free forgiveness ftw! [02:24] who said anything about free? i'm in the car on the way to Sherbrooke [02:24] get your atm card ready [02:24] :( [02:24] I should've *knew* all these big churces had to come from somewhere! [02:24] hahaha [02:29] man ikonia took his vitamins today :) [02:30] don't forget to keep an eye in #ubuntu and +1 [02:30] lots of people in all 3 channels [02:30] heh yeah [02:31] sorry, felt that +m was needed [02:34] it was [02:55] In case anyone else finds this useful, I just made this and pointed an irssi alias at it - http://files.tonyyarusso.com/outyet.sh [02:57] /#!/bin/bash [02:57] bah [02:57] failure [02:58] how did you point an alias at it? [02:59] I put that in my homedir, and did /alias oy exec -o ./outyet.sh [02:59] ./outyet.sh: line 2: bc: command not found [02:59] ./outyet.sh: line 2: echo: write error: Broken pipe [02:59] October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world. We are only % through the day by this measurement, so be patient. Ubuntu 10.10 will be out before '@now Pacific/Pago_pago' reaches midnight on the tenth. [02:59] heh [02:59] Error: Permission Denied. [03:00] Command not found on bc? Seeker` has a broken system. [03:00] tonyyarusso: don't blame me, its ubottu.com [03:00] wow [03:00] it's a posix core utility... [03:01] omfg... do i have to break down everything i say? [03:01] hello ken [03:01] thank you for joining [03:01] no [03:01] ikonia: i have no intention of discussing this with you any further [03:01] but a user asked you not recommend something, you came down hard on him [03:01] i'm not there to intrepet the english language for you [03:01] you have then said you didn't say what he and I thought you said [03:01] if you can explain what you meant, as I've asked mulitple times, there will be no problem [03:01] what?... [03:01] well, and like i said, i didn't suggest anything... i'm not teaching english in there [03:02] Ken8521: drop the attitude please. [03:02] MaverickOne: he has the attitude, not me [03:02] 22:53 < Ken8521> maybe install the driver from nvidia' ssite? [03:02] that looks like your suggesting installing the nvidia drivers [03:02] ikonia: does that sound like a suggestion...? [03:02] yes [03:02] ok, then me and you have a different idea on that being a suggestion, because it wasn't [03:03] Ken8521: what was it then? [03:03] what was it meant to be then [03:03] MaverickOne: he's upset because i PM'd him earlier w/ a disparaging remark that was intended for another user... not that i care.. i mean, truth is truth [03:03] I'm not upset at at all [03:03] yeah right [03:03] I'm asking a question as I genuinly don't understand what it was meant to be [03:03] ikonia: it wa a QUESTION.. thats why there is a QUESTION MARK. [03:04] then what is the question [03:04] I don't actually see a question [03:04] Ken8521: that looks like a suggestion and not a question [03:04] apart from "maybe you should try installing the drivers from nvidias site" [03:04] well, then we apparently have different ideas on suggestions vs questions [03:05] like i said, ikonia's just running around that channel on a pwertrip, and thats that.. he's kciked numerous people just for asking is it out yet [03:05] maybe you should banned ? [03:05] i haven't done anything [03:05] Ken8521: I suggest you just focus on your issue, the other users had history in other channels [03:05] Ken8521: or was that another question that I'm reading as a suggestion ? [03:06] and even if i was suggesting to download the nvidia driver(which, i was not.. no matter how you read it)... if hte restricted driver isn't working.. then what are the other options? [03:06] Ken8521: well, logging a bug is a good start, so ubuntu know about it [03:06] trouble shoot and find out why it isn't working [03:06] ikonia: logging a bug doesn't fix the problem.... [03:06] log bug report [03:06] it just reports it [03:07] Ken8521: does using the nvidia.com drivers fix it ? [03:07] ikonia: thats why i said... "???".. which you seemingly enjoy overlooking [03:07] I'm not overlooking it, [03:07] yes, you are. [03:07] you're trying to tell me i made a suggestion, when i made no such suggestion [03:08] Ken8521: it reads as a suggestion, and you jumped down a users throat about it [03:08] I asked you to explain it, and you wouldn't so we ended up here [03:08] wel, i'm sorry you read it like a suggestion, it wasn't... period [03:08] I'm not overlooking it, I just asked you to explain it [03:08] and that was more or less exctly what i told the other user [03:08] no it wasn't [03:08] you got an attitude on with him [03:08] and i don't have to explain myself... it wasn't a suggestion, period... it was a statement [03:09] Ken8521: the only thing I was going to ask is that if you recommend the nvidia drivers as a possible resolution, just follow up with the warnings [03:09] ikonia: you didn't even give me a chance, and second, i wasn't even recommending it. [03:09] it was a STATEMENT> [03:09] I thought it was a question [03:09] hence the question mark ? [03:09] therein lies the problem [03:10] the one I was overlooking ? [03:10] ikonia: i was questioning if it would work, not suggesting it. [03:10] you're just twisting it to fit your side [03:10] Ken8521: ok, but sending him down that route, nothing wrong with that, just please make sure you offer the warnings about what it will change [03:10] wait, is this the "not discussing it with you further"? Cuz my window keeps scrolling. [03:10] Ken8521: the sentence looks like it is a suggestions, no matter how you intended it. [03:10] maybe stop arguing over semantics? [03:10] i'm not twisting anything, i know what i said, i know how i said, and know exactly what i meant [03:10] Ken8521: I wasn't twisting it, apologies, I was just showing how easy it can be to miss-read things [03:11] Seeker`: well, when eh's banning people because he didn't interpret it properly.. id' say thats what caused the argument [03:11] ikonia: well, it sure looks like you twisted it to me [03:11] Ken8521: that one was a suggestion. It really won't get you anywhere. [03:11] Ken8521: I didn't ban you because I didn't interperate it, I banned you because I asked you to explain the statement/question and you refused, after you where rude to a user [03:11] ikonia: so what was i baned for, being rude, or not explaining myself? [03:12] *banned [03:12] it can't be both [03:12] Ken8521: both [03:12] as I've just said [03:12] now see, again, you're just trying to slant what i said. [03:12] ?? [03:12] I'm sorry, I don't see how, you've just asked me why I banned you, and I've explained [03:12] there you go again.. [03:13] ok, I think this can't continue any futher [03:13] i already tried to explain it to you, and no matter what i say, you're going to twist it to fit some distorted view you hae of what i said. [03:13] all because you're irritated [03:13] i've never caused anybody problems in that room, ever [03:13] if anything, iv'e done my best to be helpful.. [03:14] Ken8521: we know that [03:14] I'm actually trying to resolve this to remove the ban [03:14] all I was trying to say that if you suggest a possible resolution such as the nvidia.com drivers, just make the warnings clear [03:14] wel,l i can't repeat myself anymore... i was as clear as i could be [03:14] if someone miss-reads something, just explain it, don't jump down the users throat [03:15] especially if the question is very close to a suggestion [03:15] ikonia: he didnjt' even give me a chance to explain anything, he immediately starts w/ this DO NOT EVER bla bla bla [03:15] Ken8521: I apprieciate that, but I did give you a chance, multiple to explain that [03:15] Ken8521: also you could have explained it once he'd finished [03:15] ikonia: you wanted me to explain my comment, you made no request to discuss wha ti said to the other user, or i'd have gladly explained that. [03:16] Ken8521: I asked you to explain what you said, as like the other user and people in here, I read it as a statment [03:16] you refused [03:16] or as a suggestion even [03:16] i feel like i'm just constantly repeating myself for some reason. [03:17] OK I think to point here is that we all understand that sometimes intent is not clear over IRC so we need to be clear when helping [03:17] well duh. [03:17] Ken8521: drop the attitude [03:17] ikonia: seems to think he has it all figured out [03:18] I am trying to help you get back in there [03:18] Ken8521: come back in 24 hours at least with your smart mouth [03:18] Ken8521: you're not getting unbanned, MaverickOne was just trying to help [03:18] i didn't ask to be unbanned.. you asked me to come here, so i did [03:18] no problem, please leave then [03:18] wow [03:19] what a surprise, ##club-ubuntu [03:19] i tried, you tried. he just didn't want to understand [03:20] ranting about it now [03:21] I refuse to join there. went in once or twice, channel is not for me [03:21] there are some smart and interesting people, however there are others and they make up the majority of the channels content [03:22] I can't really speak about the users of the channel but I know when I was there I didn't see anything but cursing and general trollish behavior. Like I said it just isn't for me [03:23] hmm, vorian in -r-p [03:24] I didn't know vorian was still an ubuntu member? [03:26] has the cloak [03:27] He is on LP [03:29] ikonia: keeping an eye may be a good idea [03:29] yes [03:29] I suspect no issue though [03:29] see his response to me? [03:31] I just did now [03:31] ok, I'm wrong [03:36] told mikeru that if he mentions his channel again he is going to miss the announcement [03:36] /party [04:31] for an ubuntu/member he is a bit of a jerk [04:31] imho [04:31] there is a lot of history there [04:32] with mikeru? [04:32] vorian [04:32] tonyyarusso: master/vorian [04:32] vorian [04:32] oh [04:32] I don't think I know him but ugh [04:32] he used to be staff too [04:32] It's been a while since I've interacted with him [04:37] Oh, I didn't realise they were one and the same. [04:37] Fail. [04:37] yeah you got trolled [04:37] heh [04:42] * maco wonders now what happened [04:43] apparently i got online a few minutes too late [04:44] just some passive aggressive former op/staff still member being not as nice as they could of been [04:47] I'm out - laters all [04:47] bye [04:48] night [04:50] MaverickOne: well yes i gathered that..and i know what he's like... [04:50] oh, well nothing specific really [05:09] mtw gnaa troll supreme [05:11] yup [05:11] how did he get unbanned [05:11] In #ubuntu-bots, l32007 said: !yummy is apty [05:11] @bansearch MTW [05:11] No matches found for mtw!~npure@pool-98-114-203-209.phlapa.fios.verizon.net in any channel [05:23] next up he'll hit +1 [05:25] Hello? [05:25] hi [05:26] I'd like to discuss my ban while my battery still can [05:26] you were constantly abusing the bot over the course of several hours [05:26] So if I suddenly disconnect then my battery died [05:26] there is enough traffic in there without you increasing it [05:27] yes hello [05:27] MTW, hi [05:27] i feel my ban was rude and undeserved [05:27] But the part where I did get banned were 2 accidents I saw there were lots of people cooking of ISPs so I asked a question and the the missintrepreted it [05:28] MTW, your actions were not warranted [05:28]