[00:08] <manishe_> hello. It's any channel op there?
[00:08] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[00:10] <manishe_> i realize today that i got banned from #ubuntu, by nick probably
[00:10] <manishe_>  I think it was because of lots of joins/leave
[00:10] <manishe_>  when my network goes unstable
[00:10] <manishe_>  normally i'm on irssi shell session, 24/7
[00:10] <manishe_> nick manishe
[00:10] <Seeker`> @bansearch manishe_
[00:11] <manishe_> nick manishe
[00:11] <manishe_> i'm on alternate now.
[00:11] <Seeker`> @bansearch manishe
[00:11] <manishe_> that's my shell
[00:11] <manishe_> do you have chat logs for that day?
[00:11] <ikonia> that host is currently banned
[00:11] <manishe_> that host in public shell server
[00:12] <manishe_> i'm on it
[00:12] <ikonia> yes
[00:12] <ikonia> and it has no rules or acceptable usage policy that fits with the ubuntu channel rules
[00:12] <manishe_> look please www.bshellz.net
[00:12] <ikonia> I know what it is
[00:12] <Seeker`> I think the fact that it is a public shell server that is the problem
[00:12] <Seeker`> it is very open to abuse by trolls
[00:12] <ikonia> people have been using that public server to abuse the channel
[00:12] <manishe_> i have same problem with RizonNet IRC Network and they unbanned my host finally. Somebody plays very badly
[00:13] <ikonia> no, your provider hosts, don't police their server
[00:13] <manishe_> What can i do?
[00:13] <ikonia> get a different shell host provider
[00:13] <ikonia> or don't use a shell server
[00:31] <niko> it's a telepathy upstream issue
[00:31] <Seeker`> huh?
[00:31] <niko> the crap Serialk pasted
[00:31] <Seeker`> fix?
[00:32] <niko> nothing yet, a bug will be filled
[00:32] <MaverickOne> a fix and a forward to #ubuntu-read-topic would be good
[00:32] <MaverickOne> when available
[00:38] <niko> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30741
[00:39] <niko> follow it
[00:41] <Seeker`> ikonia: discussing stuff?
[00:42] <MaverickOne> ikonia: I am starting to see your point about misleading "gags/jokes"
[00:43] <ikonia> Seeker`: yeah, he knows "why not" and if he has to ask "why can't I fish for passwords in a channel" then he doesn't need to speak
[00:43] <Seeker`> doesn't need to be in the channel either
[00:43] <ikonia> he can see when it's released
[00:43] <Seeker`> #ubuntu-release-announce
[00:44] <Seeker`> niko: thanks
[00:45] <niko> incoming bots if you are near to put or remove +/-r
[00:46] <Seeker`> you recommending +r for #u?
[00:46] <ikonia> go for it
[00:46] <Seeker`> bot just did
[00:46] <Seeker`> what is the bot channel again?
[00:47] <ikonia> cool
[00:47] <tsimpson> #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[00:47] <MaverickOne> +r is set
[00:59] <ikonia> hello kees
[00:59]  * kees waves "hi"
[00:59] <ikonia> how can we help you on this exciting day
[01:00] <Seeker`> oooh, its alomost 01:00:00 10/10/10
[01:00] <ikonia> yes it is
[01:00] <kees> just looking around. was surprised I didn't have ops on ubuntu-release-party, and then realized I only had ops on ubuntu-hardened. then I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements and popped in here, but I see it has a no-idle policy, so I should probably leave again. :)
[01:00] <Seeker`> and then it will be 01:00:01, 01:00:10, 01:00:11, 01:01:00,
 rename yourself to anal_muhammad and join #ubuntu-women with me
[01:03] <Seeker`> he is in -women now
[01:03] <bazhang> arranging troll raid in ##linux
[01:03] <Seeker`> MaverickOne: ping
[01:04] <bazhang> is reisio there too?
[01:04] <Seeker`> not as yet
[01:04] <bazhang> ok
[01:05] <bazhang> this is cryptopsy btw, well known serial troll
[01:09] <bazhang> anal_christ, hello
[01:09] <anal_christ> why did he call me a cracker?
[01:09] <bazhang> anal_christ, who?
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> I don't know, but your retort was worse.
[01:09] <anal_christ> they were both racist
[01:10] <anal_christ> bazhang: artofon i think
[01:10] <anal_christ> i don't remember how it's spelled
[01:10] <bazhang> cracker is what some think of as hacker
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> anal_christ: I believe that he intended as in "a hacker with malicious intent", rather than the racial slur.
[01:10] <anal_christ> he knows the difference
[01:10] <anal_christ> cmon, we were talking about exploits, not brute force
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> Since you were talking about kernel exploits and all.
[01:10] <anal_christ> everyone know s the difference
[01:10] <bazhang> anal_christ, at any rate, was there something else you needed to discuss here?
[01:11] <anal_christ> nah i was just wondering what the safety concern was about, because i'd like to protect myself
[01:11] <anal_christ> and then he wouldn't tell me
[01:11] <bazhang> okay then.
[01:11] <anal_christ> i'm wondering ... how did he find ther eis an exploit in 10.10 in the first place?
[01:11] <anal_christ> he probably read it from a forum
[01:11] <bazhang> no idea.
[01:11] <anal_christ> so why is he being such a jerk? all ubuntu ppl wants to be protected
[01:11] <tsimpson> cracker as in someone who cracks security
[01:11] <bazhang> anal_christ, cryptopsy, right?
[01:11] <anal_christ> you can't crack security ...
[01:11] <tsimpson> some people use the term hacker
[01:11] <anal_christ> bazhang: yes
[01:12] <anal_christ> nah tsimpson , you're giving him the benefit of the doubt ...
[01:12] <anal_christ> bazhang: they're just band-names
[01:12] <Seeker`> you know what, I don't think this is a discussion we need to be having
[01:12] <tsimpson> no, I'm reading the context
[01:12] <anal_christ> tsimpson: okay, fair enough
[01:12] <Amaranth> Are you guys talking about the local privilege escalation exploit on amd64 systems?
[01:12] <tsimpson> you were talking about an alleged security hole and asking for information
[01:13] <anal_christ> i don't know amaranth, i was just asking what people thought of 10.10
[01:14] <anal_christ> he says apparently there is an exploit
[01:14] <anal_christ> tsimpson: you're rewording that as if it was a bad thing, shame on you
[01:14] <tsimpson> erm, what?
[01:15] <tsimpson> all I said was that you asked for information, not that you wanted to exploit it
[01:15] <ikonia> is this really for -ops ?
[01:15] <tsimpson> you seem to have a problem understanding text-based communication
[01:15] <bazhang> nope
[01:15] <anal_christ> bazhang: it was a misunderstanding, can i go back?
[01:15] <Seeker`> the point is, anal_christ called someone a nigger
[01:16] <ikonia> right, so lets address that
[01:16] <ikonia> this guy is a known troll and we appear to be wasting time debating security issues
[01:16] <bazhang> anal_christ, you seem to arranging trolls against other channels as well
[01:16] <anal_christ> nah, ask elky to explain it to you
[01:16] <bazhang> no need
[01:16] <anal_christ> reisio is a mod in #linux
[01:16] <bazhang> and?
[01:17] <anal_christ> it's a joke i made with him because he was so interested in the name, but its just a band name
[01:17] <anal_christ> like cryptopsy, its a band name
[01:17] <anal_christ> look if i was serious i would have said the same thing in #freenode when that guy asked me about it
[01:18] <anal_christ> the russian guy
[01:18] <bazhang> anal_christ, I did not see any actual support questions from you
[01:18] <bazhang> just "is 10.10 any good?'
[01:18] <anal_christ> i was asking how 10.10 is, and whether its stable, whether new GUIs have been implemented
[01:18] <bazhang> yes it is.
[01:18] <anal_christ> no "is 10.10 any good" is not all i said
[01:18] <bazhang> so offtopic chat
[01:18] <Seeker`> 10.10 is not the current release, and therefore offtopic for #ubuntu
[01:18] <anal_christ> ctrl+F
[01:19] <bazhang> ?
[01:19] <elky> anal_christ, 10.10 is due out today, The beta you try now is going to be a fair indication of what GUIs it has.
[01:19] <anal_christ> ctrl+F for my name you will see all the lines that weer spoken
[01:19] <anal_christ> elky: yes, it was supposed to be out today
[01:19] <bazhang> I was there.
[01:19] <anal_christ> there was lots of talk all night
[01:19] <bazhang> I know what was said.
[01:19] <anal_christ> bazhang: you just said that the only thing i said was "is 10.10 any good"
[01:19] <anal_christ> i asked about kernel graphics card switching during runtime
[01:19] <Amaranth> It won't be out for some time
[01:19] <bazhang> anal_christ, offtopic-chat
[01:20] <anal_christ> which was implemented in 6.35 kern i think
[01:20] <anal_christ> uh ... not only 10.10 use .35 kerne
[01:20] <bazhang> think we need to change the notes factoid
[01:20] <anal_christ> i have to grab a beverage, i'm very thirsty
[01:20] <anal_christ> brb 40 seconds
[01:21] <Seeker`> so, the point of this conversation is...
[01:21] <bazhang> no idea
[01:21] <Seeker`> I mean, you could always take the trolls out to a restaurant
[01:21] <bazhang> there are offtopic chat locations. I'm not in favor of lifting the ban (my two cents)
[01:22] <Seeker`> keep the ban, stop the inane chatter in here with him, imo
[01:22] <bazhang> yep
[01:22] <Seeker`> anal_christ: please don't idle in this channel
[01:24] <Seeker`> someone care to remove anal_christ ?
[01:25] <anal_christ> ok i'm back
[01:25] <anal_christ> cmon man i wasn't idling
[01:26] <Seeker`> anal_christ: the ban in #ubuntu isn't being lifted at this time
[01:26] <anal_christ> you don't even know my gender bro
[01:26] <Seeker`> !ops | anal_christ
[01:28] <elky> woo, now he nicks to "elkz"
[01:28] <ikonia> just kick him
[01:28] <ikonia> he's clearly trying to be an issue
[01:54] <ikonia> hello macer1
[01:54] <macer1> hello
[01:55] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[01:55] <macer1> thanx, i am only testing :)
[01:55] <ikonia> testing what ?
[01:55] <macer1> ubuntu channels :D
[01:56] <ikonia> ok, well this isn't a play chanel, it's only used for operator assistance,
[01:56] <macer1> ok...bye
[01:56] <ikonia> bye
[01:57] <elky> Yup, it's definitely release day.
[01:57] <Seeker`> it has that facedesk feeling all over it
[01:59] <bazhang> time for +m in -party
[02:01] <charlie-tca> I think this is the day I usually take off. It seems really hectic
[02:11] <tsimpson> wait 8-10 hours... you'll loose faith in humanity
[02:12] <MaverickOne> you might also consider switching to Fedora
[02:12] <ikonia> I'm already there
[02:20] <charlie-tca> lol
[02:20] <charlie-tca> that all sounds really exciting
[02:20] <Seeker`> he laughs at our pain :(
[02:20] <MaverickOne> I say we kick him
[02:20] <MaverickOne> ikonia: would you do the honors :)
[02:20] <MaverickOne> heh
[02:20] <highvoltage> win 30
[02:20] <MaverickOne> fail
[02:21] <highvoltage> I apologize profusely for all my fail
[02:21] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry. I didn't mean to laugh
[02:21] <MaverickOne> highvoltage: forgiven
[02:21] <charlie-tca> It just seemed real funny. Maybe it is too late for me already
[02:21] <Seeker`> :P
[02:22] <MaverickOne> charlie-tca: we still wuv u
[02:22] <charlie-tca> Thanks and hugs to all
[02:23] <highvoltage> MaverickOne: thank you!!!! free forgiveness ftw!
[02:24] <MaverickOne> who said anything about free? i'm in the car on the way to Sherbrooke
[02:24] <MaverickOne> get your atm card ready
[02:24] <highvoltage> :(
[02:24] <highvoltage> I should've *knew* all these big churces had to come from somewhere!
[02:24] <MaverickOne> hahaha
[02:29] <MaverickOne> man ikonia took his vitamins today :)
[02:30] <ikonia> don't forget to keep an eye in #ubuntu and +1
[02:30] <ikonia> lots of people in all 3 channels
[02:30] <MaverickOne> heh yeah
[02:31] <Seeker`> sorry, felt that +m was needed
[02:34] <bazhang> it was
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> In case anyone else finds this useful, I just made this and pointed an irssi alias at it - http://files.tonyyarusso.com/outyet.sh
[02:57] <Seeker`> /#!/bin/bash
[02:57] <Seeker`> bah
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> failure
[02:58] <Seeker`> how did you point an alias at it?
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> I put that in my homedir, and did /alias oy exec -o ./outyet.sh
[02:59] <Seeker`> ./outyet.sh: line 2: bc: command not found
[02:59] <Seeker`> ./outyet.sh: line 2: echo: write error: Broken pipe
[02:59] <Seeker`> October 10th is 50 hours long when you take into account the entire world.  We are only % through the day by this measurement, so be patient.  Ubuntu 10.10 will be out before '@now Pacific/Pago_pago' reaches midnight on the tenth.
[02:59] <MaverickOne> heh
[02:59] <MaverickOne> Error: Permission Denied.
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> Command not found on bc?  Seeker` has a broken system.
[03:00] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: don't blame me, its ubottu.com
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> wow
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> it's a posix core utility...
[03:01] <Ken8521> omfg... do i have to break down everything i say?
[03:01] <ikonia> hello ken
[03:01] <ikonia> thank you for joining
[03:01] <ikonia> no
[03:01] <Ken8521> ikonia: i have no intention of discussing this with you any further
[03:01] <ikonia> but a user asked you not recommend something, you came down hard on him
[03:01] <Ken8521> i'm not there to intrepet the english language for you
[03:01] <ikonia> you have then said you didn't say what he and I thought you said
[03:01] <ikonia> if you can explain what you meant, as I've asked mulitple times, there will be no problem
[03:01] <Ken8521> what?...
[03:01] <Ken8521> well, and like i said, i didn't suggest anything... i'm not teaching english in there
[03:02] <MaverickOne> Ken8521: drop the attitude please.
[03:02] <Ken8521> MaverickOne: he has the attitude, not me
[03:02] <ikonia> 22:53 < Ken8521> maybe install the driver from nvidia' ssite?
[03:02] <ikonia> that looks like your suggesting installing the nvidia drivers
[03:02] <Ken8521> ikonia: does that sound like a suggestion...?
[03:02] <ikonia> yes
[03:02] <Ken8521> ok, then me and you have a different idea on that being a suggestion, because it wasn't
[03:03] <Seeker`> Ken8521: what was it then?
[03:03] <ikonia> what was it meant to be then
[03:03] <Ken8521> MaverickOne: he's upset because i PM'd him earlier w/ a disparaging remark that was intended for another user... not that i care.. i mean, truth is truth
[03:03] <ikonia> I'm not upset at at all
[03:03] <Ken8521> yeah right
[03:03] <ikonia> I'm asking a question as I genuinly don't understand what it was meant to be
[03:03] <Ken8521> ikonia: it wa a QUESTION.. thats why there is a QUESTION MARK.
[03:04] <ikonia> then what is the question
[03:04] <ikonia> I don't actually see a question
[03:04] <MaverickOne> Ken8521: that looks like a suggestion and not a question
[03:04] <ikonia> apart from "maybe you should try installing the drivers from nvidias site"
[03:04] <Ken8521> well, then we apparently have different ideas on suggestions vs questions
[03:05] <Ken8521> like i said, ikonia's just running around that channel on a pwertrip, and thats that.. he's kciked numerous people just for asking is it out yet
[03:05] <ikonia> maybe you should banned ?
[03:05] <Ken8521> i haven't done anything
[03:05] <ikonia> Ken8521: I suggest you just focus on your issue, the other users had history in other channels
[03:05] <ikonia> Ken8521: or was that another question that I'm reading as a suggestion ?
[03:06] <Ken8521> and even if i was suggesting to download the nvidia driver(which, i was not.. no matter how you read it)... if hte restricted driver isn't working.. then what are the other options?
[03:06] <ikonia> Ken8521: well, logging a bug is a good start, so ubuntu know about it
[03:06] <MaverickOne> trouble shoot and find out why it isn't working
[03:06] <Ken8521> ikonia: logging a bug doesn't fix the problem....
[03:06] <MaverickOne> log bug report
[03:06] <Ken8521> it just reports it
[03:07] <ikonia> Ken8521: does using the nvidia.com drivers fix it ?
[03:07] <Ken8521> ikonia: thats why i said... "???".. which you seemingly enjoy overlooking
[03:07] <ikonia> I'm not overlooking it,
[03:07] <Ken8521> yes, you are.
[03:07] <Ken8521> you're trying to tell me i made a suggestion, when i made no such suggestion
[03:08] <ikonia> Ken8521: it reads as a suggestion, and you jumped down a users throat about it
[03:08] <ikonia> I asked you to explain it, and you wouldn't so we ended up here
[03:08] <Ken8521> wel, i'm sorry you read it like a suggestion, it wasn't... period
[03:08] <ikonia> I'm not overlooking it, I just asked you to explain it
[03:08] <Ken8521> and that was more or less exctly what i told the other user
[03:08] <ikonia> no it wasn't
[03:08] <ikonia> you got an attitude on with him
[03:08] <Ken8521> and i don't have to explain myself... it wasn't a suggestion, period... it was a statement
[03:09] <ikonia> Ken8521: the only thing I was going to ask is that if you recommend the nvidia drivers as a possible resolution, just follow up with the warnings
[03:09] <Ken8521> ikonia: you didn't even give me a chance, and second, i wasn't even recommending it.
[03:09] <Ken8521> it was a STATEMENT>
[03:09] <ikonia> I thought it was a question
[03:09] <ikonia> hence the question mark ?
[03:09] <Ken8521> therein lies the  problem
[03:10] <ikonia> the one I was overlooking ?
[03:10] <Ken8521> ikonia: i was questioning if it would work, not suggesting it.
[03:10] <Ken8521> you're just twisting it to fit your side
[03:10] <ikonia> Ken8521: ok, but sending him down that route, nothing wrong with that, just please make sure you offer the warnings about what it will change
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> wait, is this the "not discussing it with you further"?  Cuz my window keeps scrolling.
[03:10] <MaverickOne> Ken8521: the sentence looks like it is a suggestions, no matter how you intended it.
[03:10] <Seeker`> maybe stop arguing over semantics?
[03:10] <Ken8521> i'm not twisting anything, i know what i said, i know how i said, and know exactly what i meant
[03:10] <ikonia> Ken8521: I wasn't twisting it, apologies, I was just showing how easy it can be to miss-read things
[03:11] <Ken8521> Seeker`: well, when eh's banning people because he didn't interpret it properly.. id' say thats what caused the argument
[03:11] <Ken8521> ikonia: well, it sure looks like you twisted it to me
[03:11] <Seeker`> Ken8521: that one was a suggestion. It really won't get you anywhere.
[03:11] <ikonia> Ken8521: I didn't ban you because I didn't interperate it, I banned you because I asked you to explain the statement/question and you refused, after you where rude to a user
[03:11] <Ken8521> ikonia: so what was i baned for, being rude, or not explaining myself?
[03:12] <Ken8521> *banned
[03:12] <Ken8521> it can't be both
[03:12] <ikonia> Ken8521: both
[03:12] <ikonia> as I've just said
[03:12] <Ken8521> now see, again, you're just trying to slant what i said.
[03:12] <ikonia> ??
[03:12] <ikonia> I'm sorry, I don't see how, you've just asked me why I banned you, and I've explained
[03:12] <Ken8521> there you go again..
[03:13] <ikonia> ok, I think this can't continue any futher
[03:13] <Ken8521> i already tried to explain it to you, and no matter what i say, you're going to twist it to fit some distorted view you hae of what i said.
[03:13] <Ken8521> all because you're irritated
[03:13] <Ken8521> i've never caused anybody problems in that room, ever
[03:13] <Ken8521> if anything, iv'e done my best to be helpful..
[03:14] <MaverickOne> Ken8521: we know that
[03:14] <ikonia> I'm actually trying to resolve this to remove the ban
[03:14] <ikonia> all I was trying to say that if you suggest a possible resolution such as the nvidia.com drivers, just make the warnings clear
[03:14] <Ken8521> wel,l i can't repeat myself anymore... i was as clear as i could be
[03:14] <ikonia> if someone miss-reads something, just explain it, don't jump down the users throat
[03:15] <ikonia> especially if the question is very close to a suggestion
[03:15] <Ken8521> ikonia: he didnjt' even give me a chance to explain anything, he immediately starts w/ this DO NOT EVER bla bla bla
[03:15] <ikonia> Ken8521: I apprieciate that, but I did give you a chance, multiple to explain that
[03:15] <ikonia> Ken8521: also you could have explained it once he'd finished
[03:15] <Ken8521> ikonia: you wanted me to explain my comment, you made no request to discuss wha ti said to the other user, or i'd have gladly explained that.
[03:16] <ikonia> Ken8521: I asked you to explain what you said, as like the other user and people in here, I read it as a statment
[03:16] <ikonia> you refused
[03:16] <ikonia> or as a suggestion even
[03:16] <Ken8521> i feel like i'm just constantly repeating myself for some reason.
[03:17] <MaverickOne> OK I think to point here is that we all understand that sometimes intent is not clear over IRC so we need to be clear when helping
[03:17] <Ken8521> well duh.
[03:17] <MaverickOne> Ken8521: drop the attitude
[03:17] <Ken8521> ikonia: seems to think he has it all figured out
[03:18] <MaverickOne> I am trying to help you get back in there
[03:18] <ikonia> Ken8521: come back in 24 hours at least with your smart mouth
[03:18] <ikonia> Ken8521: you're not getting unbanned, MaverickOne was just trying to help
[03:18] <Ken8521> i didn't ask to be unbanned.. you asked me to come here, so i did
[03:18] <ikonia> no problem, please leave then
[03:18] <MaverickOne> wow
[03:19] <ikonia> what a surprise, ##club-ubuntu
[03:19] <MaverickOne> i tried, you tried. he just didn't want to understand
[03:20] <ikonia> ranting about it now
[03:21] <MaverickOne> I refuse to join there. went in once or twice, channel is not for me
[03:21] <ikonia> there are some smart and interesting people, however there are others and they make up the majority of the channels content
[03:22] <MaverickOne> I can't really speak about the users of the channel but I know when I was there I didn't see anything but cursing and general trollish behavior. Like I said it just isn't for me
[03:23] <Seeker`> hmm, vorian in -r-p
[03:24] <ikonia> I didn't know vorian was still an ubuntu member?
[03:26] <MaverickOne> has the cloak
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> He is on LP
[03:29] <Seeker`> ikonia: keeping an eye may be a good idea
[03:29] <ikonia> yes
[03:29] <ikonia> I suspect no issue though
[03:29] <Seeker`> see his response to me?
[03:31] <ikonia> I just did now
[03:31] <ikonia> ok, I'm wrong
[03:36] <MaverickOne> told mikeru that if he mentions his channel again he is going to miss the announcement
[03:36] <MaverickOne> /party
[04:31] <MaverickOne> for an ubuntu/member he is a bit of a jerk
[04:31] <MaverickOne> imho
[04:31] <Seeker`> there is a lot of history there
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> with mikeru?
[04:32] <bazhang> vorian
[04:32] <MaverickOne> tonyyarusso: master/vorian
[04:32] <Seeker`> vorian
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> oh
[04:32] <MaverickOne> I don't think I know him but ugh
[04:32] <Seeker`> he used to be staff too
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> It's been a while since I've interacted with him
[04:37] <wgrant> Oh, I didn't realise they were one and the same.
[04:37] <wgrant> Fail.
[04:37] <MaverickOne> yeah you got trolled
[04:37] <MaverickOne> heh
[04:42]  * maco wonders now what happened
[04:43] <maco> apparently i got online a few minutes too late
[04:44] <MaverickOne> just some passive aggressive former op/staff still member being not as nice as they could of been
[04:47] <ikonia> I'm out - laters all
[04:47] <bazhang> bye
[04:48] <MaverickOne> night
[04:50] <maco> MaverickOne: well yes i gathered that..and i know what he's like...
[04:50] <MaverickOne> oh, well nothing specific really
[05:09] <bazhang> mtw gnaa troll supreme
[05:11] <MaverickOne> yup
[05:11] <MaverickOne> how did he get unbanned
[05:11] <Seeker`> @bansearch MTW
[05:23] <bazhang> next up he'll hit +1
[05:25] <MichealH-iPod> Hello?
[05:25] <Seeker`> hi
[05:26] <MichealH-iPod> I'd like to discuss my ban while my battery still can
[05:26] <Seeker`> you were constantly abusing the bot over the course of several hours
[05:26] <MichealH-iPod> So if I suddenly disconnect then my battery died
[05:26] <Seeker`> there is enough traffic in there without you increasing it
[05:27] <MTW> yes hello
[05:27] <bazhang> MTW, hi
[05:27] <MTW> i feel my ban was rude and undeserved
[05:27] <MichealH-iPod> But the part where I did get banned were 2 accidents I saw there were lots of people cooking of ISPs so I asked a question and the the missintrepreted it
[05:28] <bazhang> MTW, your actions were not warranted
[05:28] <MTW> yes, they were
[05:28] <MTW> remove my ban, thanks
[05:28] <bazhang> MTW, please read the guidelines and the code of conduct
[05:28] <MTW> please -b
[05:28] <MichealH-iPod> They were talking of the iso's so I asked
[05:28] <bazhang> !guidelines | MTW
[05:28] <bazhang> !coc > MTW
[05:28] <MTW> ok
[05:29] <MTW> please remove the ban
[05:29] <bazhang> MTW, please read those
[05:29] <MichealH-iPod> I just wanna be there for tommorow tithe party
[05:29] <MTW> readin
[05:29] <MaverickOne> MichealH-iPod: just hold a minute please
[05:29] <MichealH-iPod> Okay MaverickOne
[05:30] <MTW> read
[05:30] <MTW> unban/
[05:30] <bazhang> MTW, why were you banned from two channels like that
[05:30] <MTW> some rude op banned me
[05:30] <bazhang> err nope
[05:31] <mneptok> MTW: profanity is unwelcome.
[05:31] <MaverickOne> MichealH-iPod: may i PM you?
[05:31] <MTW> un
[05:31] <maco> MTW: ditto for slurs
[05:31] <MTW> ban
[05:31] <MichealH-iPod> Yeah maverickone
[05:31] <bazhang> profane and abusive
[05:31] <maco> MTW: demanding will get you nowhere
[05:31] <bazhang> MTW, the ban will not be
[05:31] <MichealH-iPod> Shall I part MaverickOne?
[05:31] <bazhang> whoops
[05:31] <mneptok> that was going nowhere
[05:32] <MaverickOne> MichealH-iPod: never mind we can speak here
[05:32] <MaverickOne> MichealH-iPod: you understand why you got banned?
[05:32] <bazhang> he was in #freenode asking for a GNAA cloak earlier
[05:32] <MichealH-iPod> I do MaverickOne
[05:33] <MichealH-iPod> It was because I had triggered the bots
[05:33] <MaverickOne> MichealH-iPod: exactly which was becoming spam and bot abuse
[05:33] <MichealH-iPod> Which made many ops angry especially ikonia, who banned ms later
[05:33] <MaverickOne> We aren't going to have a repeat right?
[05:33] <Seeker`> MichealH-iPod: will you be triggering the bots again?
[05:33] <MichealH-iPod> Nope
[05:34] <MaverickOne> ok. gimme a sec to lift the ban. Please enjoy the party and remember to follow the rules
[05:34] <MichealH-iPod> I will be good and try not to trigger the bots (which they seem to be a bit sensitie)
[05:34] <Seeker`> I removed it
[05:34] <MaverickOne> they are sensitive sometimes
[05:34] <Seeker`> if i see you trigger the bots again, I will ban you again
[05:34] <MaverickOne> thanks Seeker`
[05:34] <MichealH-iPod> Thanks slot
[05:35] <MichealH-iPod> *alot
[05:35] <MichealH-iPod> See you
[05:40] <bazhang> serial troll hfsplus in -ot
[05:44] <Seeker`> MaverickOne: banned because he was kicked for trolling with CAPS earlier
[05:44] <MaverickOne> Seeker`: until release I am not questioning any op actions :)
[05:45] <MaverickOne> things are flying by to fast to keep track of everything
[05:45] <Seeker`> just letting you know
[05:45] <Seeker`> cause i'm off to bed soon
[05:45] <MaverickOne> thank you :)
[05:46] <MaverickOne> well sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite
[06:20] <Jordan_U> The topic in #ubuntu contains "IRC Guidelines: https://https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines" (https:// twice).
[06:21] <MaverickOne> it does?
[06:22] <nhandler> Jordan_U: Fixed
[06:22] <MaverickOne> oh it did
[06:22] <MaverickOne> nice catch Jordan_U
[06:22] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[06:23] <Jordan_U> MaverickOne: It was actually mentioned by someone else in #ubuntu, I juse brought it here :)
[06:23] <MaverickOne> :)
[06:57] <l32007> Hi, is there a IRC team operator here?
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> lol
[07:24] <asmartgoat> Hi, i was kicked from the release party channel for invoking the bot abit too much, i am remoseful, could i please go back. Thanks.
[07:24] <asmartgoat> remorseful
[08:26] <maco> MaverickOne: i just realised you're idle
[08:27] <maco> kept wondering who the new op was
[08:27] <MaverickOne> :)
[08:28] <MaverickOne> shhh, I'm under cover
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> It's a spy!
[08:30] <asmartgoat> mavrickone im sorry, can you like un ban me
[08:30] <MaverickOne> asmartgoat: I did
[08:30] <MaverickOne> lol forgot to tell you
[08:30] <MaverickOne> sorry :)
[08:30] <asmartgoat> ty
[08:30] <asmartgoat> :)
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> lol
[08:31] <MaverickOne> hahahaha
[08:31] <MaverickOne> seriously I forgot
[08:31]  * tonyyarusso takes away MaverickOne's beer
[08:31] <MaverickOne> beer?
[08:31] <MaverickOne> wish I had one
[09:14]  * mneptok is not going to be much help in moderating things on release day, being at a company meeting. sorry.
[09:20] <wgrant> mneptok: Ubuntu release day needs to be a global public holiday!
[09:20] <jussi> lol
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> agreed
[09:28] <jussi> eboyjr: hi, can we help?
[09:28] <eboyjr> jussi: No just leaving
[09:31] <jussi> argh... [11:30:26] <htorque> "honk if you hate windows"
[09:32] <asmartgoat> malcious commands "dmatt 10/10/10 19:29:10
[09:32] <asmartgoat> sudo rm -rf /" on ubuntu-trivia
[09:32] <asmartgoat> please have a talk to him
[09:47] <gnomefreak> !isitoutyet
[09:48] <gnomefreak> ok now it works :(
[10:03] <wgrant> And so it begins.
[10:03] <knome> oh right, today is the day
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> oh my, he announced a time.  Yikes.
[10:05] <jussi> MaverickOne: you need to update your aliases
[10:05] <gnomefreak> why was FromSdZ25 kicked? he posted a link to dvd image?
[10:05] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Yes.
[10:05] <MaverickOne> jussi: ?
[10:05] <jussi> MaverickOne: your gateway syntax fails
[10:05] <MaverickOne> yeah
[10:06]  * gnomefreak confused. posting a link for the dvd image isnt wrong is it?
[10:06] <jussi> gnomefreak: it is when its not released yet
[10:07] <gnomefreak> jussi: oh ok
[10:07] <MaverickOne> also FromSd has a few clones in the channel
[10:08] <wgrant> It's not just a webchat link that a few people are using? Like the incident last time?
[10:08] <jussi> wgrant: seems like that
[10:08] <MaverickOne> may be
[10:08] <wgrant> They're very different IPs.
[10:08] <asmartgoat> any reason why im kicked again, i left, and now i cant get back on #ubuntu-release-party
[10:08] <asmartgoat> ??
[10:10] <MaverickOne> Daviey: you rick rolled -r-p?
[10:10] <MaverickOne> heh
[10:10] <Daviey> MaverickOne: What, me? :)
[10:12] <asmartgoat> is ubuntu-release-party full?
[10:12] <knome> Daviey, haha
[10:12] <rww> Hola. arunkumar's linking to pool URLs in #ubuntu.
[10:13] <niko> perhaps you could put #ubuntu-release-party +F ?
[10:13] <asmartgoat> me, no
[10:14] <rww> MaverickOne: ta
[10:14] <MaverickOne> yup
[10:15] <ikonia> chanserv lagging hard
[10:15] <asmartgoat> anyone know why am i banned on release party?
[10:15] <Tm_T> almost recommending to keep hats on
[10:15] <ikonia> did someone remove MichealH's ban
[10:16] <Seeker`> ikonia: yes
[10:16] <Seeker`> on the condition that if he triggers the bot again, he will be banned again
[10:16] <ikonia> rats, he was out for the day
[10:17] <MaverickOne> ikonia: we spoke to him, he's been good for a couple hours now
[10:17] <asmartgoat> am i banned?
[10:17] <`26> MaverickOne: Fine, I got your point. Guess I assumed the channel atmosphere was the same as the other freenode channel I had in other tabs, while stricter content rules apply. Sorry.
[10:17] <`26> *channels
[10:18] <MaverickOne> `26: I'm glad you understand. you can await the release in #ubuntu-release-announce.
[10:20] <ikonia> I'm going to write an update for partybot for next time, everyone is muted until they enter a code that is in the channel topic
[10:20] <rww> lol
[10:20] <ikonia> that way the "I didn't read the topic" excuse cuts no mustard
[10:21] <knome> ikonia, actually, you could use that in every channel at every time :P
[10:21] <ikonia> better idea
[10:21] <`26> Guess I'm not getting unbanned then. It would've been nice though, considering I didn't get a warning. Meh.
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: haha, love it
[10:21] <rww> knome: I suspect that would make #ubuntu significantly quieter ;D
[10:22]  * ikonia is writing
[10:22] <MaverickOne> `26: ban is lifted. Please follow the !guidelines. Enjoy the release.
[10:22] <`26> MaverickOne: Thank you.
[10:22] <MaverickOne> Thank you
[10:23] <xorger> hello flks, can somebody unban me please?
[10:23] <xorger> i haven't done anything wrong asides saying that it is out :)
[10:23] <xorger> causing mass hysteria, suicides and other social phenomena
[10:35] <gnomefreak> where and who banned you?
[10:35] <xorger> dunno
[10:35] <xorger> in #ubuntu-release-party i think
[10:35] <gnomefreak> you think?
[10:35] <xorger> i was saying that it is out it it ous
[10:35] <xorger> out
[10:35] <xorger> i chateed there
[10:35] <gnomefreak> it is not out
[10:37] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[10:37] <gnomefreak> checking now
[10:38] <ikonia> gnomefreak: BT's not logging #u-r-p
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ikonia: oh
[10:38] <MaverickOne> gnomefreak: he was probably just flooding with the is it out yet question and someone got annoyed
[10:38] <gnomefreak> i cnat find his ban in #u-r-p
[10:38] <xorger> thanks though
[10:38] <Seeker`> @bansearch xorger
[10:39] <gnomefreak> thats a first for me :)
[10:39] <ikonia> xorger: you where spamming/flooding the channel
[10:39] <xorger> ?!
[10:39] <ikonia> xorger: why where you doing that, as people told you to stop
[10:39] <xorger> hmm i did not see them?
[10:39] <xorger> since i am trying to fix a problem in my monitor as well
[10:39] <ikonia> xorger: you also told people "it's out"
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> For claiming it is out before that is true.
[10:40] <xorger> guilty as charged
[10:40] <ikonia> ok, so you're out of the channel now
[10:40] <xorger> can i haz cheezburgah back now
[10:40] <ikonia> no
[10:40] <xorger> but why
[10:40] <ikonia> please check the website to find out when it's release
[10:40] <gnomefreak> i have one in #+1 that is fighting it
[10:40] <ikonia> released
[10:40] <xorger> come on
[10:40] <xorger> i will be a nice puppy
[10:40] <rww> gnomefreak: (xorger was removed by tonyyarusso, then autobanned by the floodbot for being a removed webchat user)
[10:41] <gnomefreak> rww: thanks
[10:41] <ikonia> xorger: sorry, no. check the website for the update
[10:41] <xorger> hmm yeah, ok, but, let's talk about this matt, will you
[10:41] <ikonia> xorger: no
[10:41] <ikonia> it's not up for discussion
[10:41] <xorger> suppose you unban me, and i don't say shit
[10:41] <xorger> will that satisfy your urges?
[10:41] <ikonia> your language is unacceptable
[10:41] <ikonia> xorger: you can join #ubuntu-release-announce
[10:41] <ikonia> xorger: that channel is silent until the release
[10:42] <xorger> that is no fun though
[10:42] <ikonia> xorger: that's all thats available to you
[10:42] <xorger> life is unacceptable too, but we accept it nonetheless
[10:42] <ikonia> well, this discussions done now. Thats the status
[10:42] <xorger> jeez, get a life dude
[10:42] <xorger> if you ban that easily
[10:42] <ikonia> you ?
[10:42] <xorger> you need to do something else imvho
[10:42] <ikonia> xorger: please leave this channel now
[10:42] <ikonia> it's just a channel
[10:42] <ikonia> no big deal
[10:42] <gnomefreak> the site is nto a great place to look since it is going through changes since there are a few more update but the MDSUM is showing new images according to someone else
[10:43] <xorger> have fun ikonia
[10:43] <gnomefreak> /snto/not
[10:43] <ikonia> thanks
[10:43] <ikonia> you too
[10:43] <xorger> cut the political bs though, it is getting annoying
[10:43] <gnomefreak> i see why he was a problem ;)
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> lol overkill o that last one
[10:44] <ikonia> possibly
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> 3 at once?  :P
[10:45] <Tm_T> nah
[10:45] <ikonia> idiots at the moment
[10:47] <Tm_T> I keep hat on as chanserv lag prevents my aliases working nicely ):
[10:47] <ikonia> nice
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> yeah, might have to do that soon
[10:48] <Tm_T> also I'm steadily distracted due my other duties, so don't rely on me
[10:56] <Tm_T> macer2 prolly bandodger
[10:56] <ikonia> I think it would be ammusing now to change a file in the iso's to punish the idiots hitting the servers early
[10:56] <ikonia> Tm_T: kick not a ban
[10:56] <ikonia> hi Jordan_U
[10:56] <Tm_T> ikonia: I see
[11:00] <`26> ikonia: I think limiting it to 100bytes/second based on User-Agent would be far more entertaining.
[11:00] <ikonia> `26: do you need anything more from the ops
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: make it a slackware ISO
[11:00] <MaverickOne> !idle | `26
[11:01] <`26> Whoops, I suddenly feel unwanted.
[11:01] <ikonia> `26: sorry, didn't see you idling there
[11:02] <ikonia> `26: I'd have asked earlier,
[11:02] <sms_> Umm, hi. Any chance of unbanning me from the party channel? As I got banned by asking about the iso testing tracker.
[11:02] <ikonia> sms_: why did you post it
[11:02] <sms_> I was asking if it's up to date
[11:02] <ikonia> sms_: why would it be
[11:02] <ikonia> you know its not out
[11:03] <sms_> No i know basically nothing about it
[11:03] <tsimpson> did you see anyone announce the release?
[11:04] <sms_> nope
[11:04] <tsimpson> then you can be pretty certain that it hasn't been released
[11:05] <gnomefreak> join #ubuntu-release-announce for update info on release
[11:06] <sms_> yeah I know that, I was just asking if the iso tracker is related to the release
[11:07]  * gnomefreak only saw you asked to be unbanned and asking if it released yet
[11:08] <gnomefreak> sorry if i missed asking about tracker
[11:08] <sms_> Umm no I never asked if it was released yet
[11:08] <ikonia> sms_: please think about what your posting please
[11:08] <ikonia> sms_: I've removed the ban
[11:09] <sms_> Well thank you
[11:10] <sms_> doesn't look like it?
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> SOMEONE FIX PARTYBOT
[11:11] <wgrant> Should it be banned until it's fixed?
[11:11] <wgrant> Ah, there.
[11:12] <ikonia> what's the issue with it
[11:12] <gnomefreak> !isitoutyet
[11:12] <gnomefreak> that is why :)
[11:13] <Seeker`> glad thats over for another 6 months
[11:13] <sms_> : | whatever I'll just log on with my phone
[11:14] <gnomefreak> and now all my channels are going to be annoying hates release time
[11:14] <ikonia> sms_: and you'll be reported to the network for dodging a ban
[11:14] <ikonia> sms_: if there is a problem we are trying to resolve it, but it is unacceptable to dodge a ban
[11:16] <gnomefreak> once channel is fowarded is there a way to set it to let me in through invite :(
[11:16] <ikonia> maybe drop all bans on u-r-p now, start a fresh
[11:17] <gnomefreak> we have ~1week before devel starts
[11:17] <gnomefreak> that isnt a bad idea
[11:17] <sms_> k, I said what I had to say, sorry if I was a problem or whatever, I'll go somewhere else now, i'm hungry too
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> !download
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> @login
[11:17] <ikonia> what's the flag to clear all bans
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> no, download is <reply> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Maverick, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[11:18] <tsimpson> noo
[11:18] <tsimpson> we have variables
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> wat?
[11:19] <tsimpson> @config list plugins.Encyclopedia.curStable
[11:19] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curStable
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> oooooh yeah
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> !torrents
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i have officially reached 40 channels
[11:19] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curStable Maverick
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> !download
[11:19] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableLong Maverick Meerkat
[11:19] <tsimpson> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableNum 10.10
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> !torrents
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> aww
[11:20] <tsimpson> some factoids appear not to use them :(
[11:20] <tsimpson> anyway, Maverick != maverick in URIs
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> I'll leave you to fix that one - I don't know how to use variables.
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> So write a string_to_lower function!
[11:21] <tsimpson> you just put $nameOfVariable in the factoid
[11:22] <jussi> we should probably have a command that list the variables for people
[11:22] <tsimpson> so "!stable is <reply> the current stable release of Ubuntu is $curStableLong ($curStableNum)" would reply "the current stable release of Ubuntu is Maverick Meerkat (10.10)"
[11:22] <tsimpson> there is, on the bot wiki
[11:23] <tsimpson> !download
[11:23] <ikonia> forgot to announce it in #ubuntu-release-announce
[11:23] <ikonia> sloppy
[11:24] <tsimpson> !-download
[11:25] <tsimpson> !search lucid
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> okeh?  No he didn't.
[11:25] <tsimpson> looks like the bot didn't register your edit
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> wow, typing fail there.
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: he did announce it in both.
[11:25] <tsimpson> yeah, no !
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> oh
[11:25] <tsimpson> !releasenotes
[11:26] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: I didn't see it
[11:26] <ikonia> I still don't in my logs
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> then your client is broken
[11:27] <tsimpson> !no releasenotes is <reply> Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) release notes can be found here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[11:27] <tsimpson> !10.04
[11:27] <ikonia> ahh I did see it
[11:27] <tsimpson> !-10.04
[11:27] <tsimpson> !-lucid
[11:27] <ikonia> my mistake
[11:29] <tsimpson> !lucid ~= s/is the current/was the twelfth/
[11:29] <tsimpson> !lucid
[11:29] <tsimpson> !maverick
[11:29] <tsimpson> !-maverick
[11:30] <tsimpson> !no maverick is <reply> Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[11:30] <tsimpson> Encyclopedia needs to be smarter so I stop hating it so much
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> okay, definitely sleep time
[11:31] <gnomefreak> Encyclopedia is !info?
[11:32] <tsimpson> no, it's the factoid plugin
[11:32] <tsimpson> (!info and !find are actually a different plugin)
[11:32] <elky> My head hurts.
[11:32] <ikonia> I can't do clear #ubuntu-release-party bans
[11:33] <eboyjr> Can we leave !isitoutyet the way it is?
[11:33] <ikonia> what does it currently say ?
[11:33] <persia> Probably better to change it to something snarky meaning "Yes" for a few days first.
[11:33] <eboyjr> :) No, it is not out yet!
[11:33] <eboyjr> It should be referring to 11.04
[11:33] <ikonia> in that case, no
[11:34] <persia> 11.04 doesn't even exist yet (and won't for several days)
[11:34] <wgrant> 11.04 won't exist for more than 6 months!
[11:34] <eboyjr> hrm well that still does mean it's not out yet
[11:35] <persia> wgrant, Right.  I should say "It won't be possible to even create an 11.04 milestone for a few more days"
[11:36] <ikonia> eboyjr: it's going to be changed to "yes it's out" or words to that effect
[11:36] <eboyjr> Alright cool
[11:36] <tsimpson> ikonia: you need a special flag to to clear
[11:36] <ikonia> tsimpson: can you please clear ?
[11:36] <tsimpson> already done :)
[11:37] <ikonia> thanks
[11:37] <eboyjr> "Yeah, it's out! Please stop asking finally."
[11:37] <eboyjr> :)
[11:38] <tsimpson> !no isitout is <reply> Yes!
[11:38] <eboyjr> Actually a download link would be useful
[11:39] <tsimpson> !download
[11:40] <eboyjr> Well for !isitoutyet
[11:40] <eboyjr> Torrents still don't work though :/
[11:40] <eboyjr> !torrents
[11:42] <tsimpson> !no torrents is <reply> $curStable can be torrented from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/$curStableLower/desktop/ubuntu-$curStableNum-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/$curStableLower/server/ubuntu-$curStableNum-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Other flavors can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[11:42] <tsimpson> !torrents
[11:42] <tsimpson> variables, now with 10% extra free
[11:43] <eboyjr> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/maverick/desktop/ only has the rc
[11:43] <tsimpson> give it time I guess
[11:44] <Tm_T> we still don't have email announcement?
[11:44] <wgrant> Tm_T: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html
[11:44] <gnomefreak> hell i cant get edubuntu or ubuntu shipit
[11:44] <wgrant> 10/10/10 10:10:10 UTC
[11:44] <ikonia> why is the ubuntu web page now not only saying ubuntu 64bit is not safe for normal use, but it's now actually recommending 32bit in the download box
[11:45] <gord> its been saying that for a long time ikonia
[11:45] <gord> there is a bug reported on launchpad about it
[11:45] <wgrant> Where does it say it's not safe?
[11:45] <ikonia> I know but it's a new page
[11:45] <persia> ikonia, New page, old content
[11:45] <wgrant> It merely recommends 32-bit, and has done so prominently since at least Lucid.
[11:46] <gord> i think its about support issues, anyone that knows they want 64 bit will grab it, and one that doesn't gets a slightly easier to support 32-bit version
[11:46] <Tm_T> wgrant: thanks
[11:47] <gnomefreak> that link torrent link is broken too i am having issues with web pages today it seems
[11:47] <ikonia> wgrant: sorry it says not recommended, not not safe
[11:47] <ikonia> not recommended for daily desktop use ?
[11:48] <wgrant> Lucid's said that... but I can't see it on Maverick's.
[11:49] <ikonia> ahh it's cached
[11:49] <ikonia> the new one just recommends 32bit (still don't see why)
[11:49] <ikonia> google still lists the old cached link
[11:50] <wgrant> There are still issues with Flash, and minimal benefits to amd64 for most users.
[11:54] <ikonia> I'd have though the opposites with most desktops/laptops coming with more than 4GB of ram
[11:54] <tsimpson> that's why there's a PAE kernel I guess
[11:54] <ikonia> but most people won't know about it
[11:55] <ikonia> in the same way there is no benifit for most people, most people won't know about pae
[11:56] <gord> most people don't need to use more than 4gb ram on ubuntu, if they do, they will generally know to use 64bit
[11:56] <bazhang> I use 32 with the PAE
[11:57] <bazhang> 4GB of ram
[11:58] <ikonia> it's a fair point, I just don't agree with recommending 32bit, because most people don't need 64bit, but then assuming that most people will know about pae
[11:59] <ikonia> certainly not the end of the world
[11:59] <ikonia> very happy the other warning has gone
[12:00] <popey> you dont need to know about pae
[12:00] <popey> ubiquity installs it automatically if you have more than 3.5GB RAM
[12:01] <persia> wgrant, Which remaining flash issues exist?  I thought it was all sorted with the ia32-libs dependency solution.
[12:01] <ikonia> does it really, I didn't know that, that's really good
[12:01] <popey> yeah
[12:01] <popey> has done for a few releases now IIRC
[12:01] <ikonia> I wonder why it didn't on my test laptop
[12:01] <ikonia> (10.04)
[12:02] <popey> some chipsets fail
[12:02] <popey> my toshiba can't see more than 3GB even with pae and/or 64-bit
[12:02] <ikonia> this dell does
[12:02] <persia> popey, Does it see more with amd64?
[12:03]  * persia failed at reading, and retracts
[12:07] <popey> no
[12:07] <popey> oh,
[12:07]  * popey failed at reading also and retracts
[12:08] <persia> At reading or at writing?
[12:08] <persia> Oh, right.  Nevermind :)
[12:18] <ikonia> at what point are we going to look at dripping off +1 into #ubuntu
[12:18] <persia> Ought do right soon, really.
[12:18] <ikonia> I'll change the topic
[12:18] <ikonia> see if people start to leave
[12:19] <tsimpson> should start by setting +if #ubuntu
[12:20] <persia> Indeed.
[12:20]  * mneptok has acces to do so, if needed
[12:21] <mneptok> +s
[12:21] <tsimpson> why +s?
[12:21] <mneptok> "access"
[12:21] <mneptok> and setting #ubuntu to +i would be a bad idea, IMO ;)
[12:22] <mneptok> (i kid because i love)
[12:23] <persia> mneptok, Turn around, face the past, and push the future there, not the other way about.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ikonia: we shouldnt drop +1 since toolchain should be uploaded in a week or so, i dont see a point in it
[12:51] <gnomefreak> that is y opinion
[12:52] <gnomefreak> s/y/my
[12:52] <persia> We almost always drop +1 until at least Alpha 1
[12:52] <persia> I think we ought continue, to encourage the expertise built in +1 to feed into #ubuntu as new questions are asked.
[12:52] <gnomefreak> persia: normally 1 week after toolchain as i recall
[12:53]  * persia doesn't remember the precise date
[13:12] <ikonia> +1 is normally open a week or so after toolchain
[13:12] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I didn't say drop one
[13:12] <ikonia> drop +1
[13:13] <Tm_T> and toolchain comes around UDS?
[13:13] <ikonia> just after normally
[13:14] <ikonia> the tool chain is agreed at uds as I understood it the last few releases
[13:14] <ikonia> or at least finalised
[13:14] <persia> Tm_T, Depends on the release, but usually within 1-3 weeks after archive open (depending on how much the toolchain folks have been playing out-of-archive).
[13:14] <Tm_T> righto
[13:15] <persia> The final toolchain is usually confirmed sometime around the sprint, but yeah, it's always discussed at UDS.  The big point is to get the base set so that we can build packages, which has to happen from scratch before uploads can happen.
[13:16] <Tm_T> ye
[13:17] <tsimpson> +1 is the support channel, so it should be unused until alpha1 anyway
[13:21] <jussi> I thought we werent going to drop it this time?  is there any real reason to do it?
[13:21] <ikonia> what's to be disussed in there at the moment /
[13:22] <jussi> but why bother? does it hurt for people to be left to idle? last time round we had complaints that people got kicked and then didnt know when it opened, why coant they just idle
[13:23] <ikonia> in that case why not have an #ubuntu-10.04 and an ubuntu-10.10
[13:23] <tsimpson> so we can set it +imf #ubuntu :)
[13:23] <ikonia> because ubuntu is the official support channel
[13:24] <tsimpson> as 10.10 is released, and discussion there is offtopic
[13:24] <jussi> I would say set th channel +m, but dont actually close it
[13:24] <tsimpson> s/and/any/
[13:27] <tsimpson> so we'll set it +m today
[13:28] <persia> And change the /topic to something that explains why it's +m
[13:42] <charlie-tca> Let's not forget, people will begin upgrading as soon as any package is available. They do not have to wait for alpha1 to begin using those new packages.
[13:43] <tsimpson> yeah, but the number of people who upgrade pre-alpha1 will (hopefully) be small
[13:44] <persia> Sure, but anyone who does so before DIF gets to keep the pieces...
[13:44] <charlie-tca> and don't need to talk to each other?
[13:44] <wgrant> If you need to talk to someone, you shouldn't be upgrading that early.
[13:44] <tsimpson> most of the talk would probably be betting in -devel
[13:44] <wgrant> Exactly.
[13:44] <tsimpson> *better
[13:45] <persia> Or -bugs
[13:45] <charlie-tca> those who upgrade before alpha1 have always been able to discuss it in #ubuntu+1. They are not actually allowed to discuss their issues elsewhere.
[13:46] <tsimpson> +1 has always been closed after release
[13:46] <ikonia> you'll regret sending bugabundo to -devel
[13:46] <tsimpson> the only thing different is that we aren't kicking users out this time
[13:46] <charlie-tca> until the tool chain is uploaded. Not until the first alpha comes out
[13:55] <topyli> ikonia: he's an op at #cyanogen, i'm currently looking for alternative android roms :)
[13:55] <topyli> spent friday night flooding the channel with chix pix
[13:56] <topyli> they're doing a great job defining the community as a group of 15yo boys
[14:02] <elky> Oh, I blinked and missed it.
[14:04] <topyli> elky: "the channel" meaningn #cm
[14:05] <elky> no, the release.
[14:06] <topyli> ahh
[14:09] <ikonia> topyli: stands to reason
[14:10] <elky> topyli, you're not the only one moving from CM because of bugabundo. Several others I know have done precisely that.
[14:20] <gnomefreak> +m is mute right? what do you have to do to not be muted?
[14:20]  * gnomefreak would raqther not op if i can avoid it
[14:21] <persia> gnomefreak, +v
[14:21] <persia> (might have to op to grant yourself that: ask chanserv)
[14:21] <tsimpson> /msg ChanServ voice #channel
[14:22] <gnomefreak> that doesnt work. looking it up now
[14:23] <tsimpson> worked for me
[14:23] <gnomefreak> oh nevermind
[14:23] <gnomefreak> i used nickserv
[14:41] <Pici> oh neat, its out already
[14:42] <persia> Pici, Of course.  The timing was foreordained :)
[15:05] <jpds> Madura_hot_cam and cousin_mario are totally going down the wrong path.
[15:08] <elky> With a name that includes "hot" and "cam" I do find it difficult to be surprised.
[15:22] <Seeker`> elky: you could at least try! :P
[16:56] <ikonia> the !upgrade factoid now pointes to pages that either has no info on 10.10 or still referes to 10.10 as a beta release and needs update-manager -d to install
[16:56] <ikonia> points even
[16:57] <ikonia> it's going to take a bit of work to get this updated
[16:57] <ikonia> I thought the docs team would have had all this covered as part of the release
[16:59] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes isnt a doc team page
[16:59] <popey> its a wiki, anyone can edit/fix it
[16:59] <ikonia> I know
[16:59] <ikonia> but it's not been done
[17:00]  * popey hands ikonia an edit button
[17:00] <ikonia> I'm already doing it
[17:00] <ikonia> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes
[17:00] <ikonia> also points at the development notes
[17:00] <popey> thats website team, not doc team
[17:00] <ikonia> sorry, bad wording
[17:01] <ikonia> pretty crap
[17:01]  * popey mentions in -website and files a bug
[17:01] <popey> thanks ikonia
[17:01] <ikonia> how do you log a bug in launchpad without using the ubutnu bugs tool
[17:02] <ikonia> popey: I'd like to see a list of critical "team" documents that need to be maintained as part of the release process also
[17:02] <ikonia> by see a list, I mean "make" a list
[17:02] <Chaos2358> ikonia
[17:02] <ikonia> so that this situation doesn't happen
[17:02] <ikonia> Chaos2358: yes
[17:02] <Chaos2358> can i get my ban lifted now?
[17:03] <ikonia> no
[17:03] <Chaos2358> ok why not this time?
[17:03] <ikonia> same reason as last night your attitude
[17:03] <popey> bug 657758 filed
[17:03] <ikonia> the channel is muted at the moment anyway, so there is no ability to speak
[17:03] <Chaos2358> lol
[17:04] <Chaos2358> wow
[17:04] <ikonia> (due to the release being completed)
[17:04] <Chaos2358> you know when i logged on just now i already knew what you were foing to do
[17:04] <ikonia> ok, then there is no need to discuss it
[17:05] <ikonia> popey: what's the best way to pull together a list of community/team documetnation thats important for releases, and has to be maintained prior to go live ?
[17:05] <popey> I am sure there's already a wiki page with this on
[17:05] <ikonia> ok, I'll check
[17:06] <Chaos2358> yes there is. i have not flipped out and talked trash to anyone. even though i've been jerked around like a puppy on a leash. i'm a smart ass and there is no rule in here saying that i can not be a smart ass "i'll be back tomorrow for my next dose of op" so whats the problem?
[17:06] <ikonia> Chaos2358 you where in ##club-ubuntu last night calling operators and me all the names under the sun
[17:06] <ikonia> thats talking trash
[17:07] <ikonia> Chaos2358: I'm not lifting your ban as I think your attitude and smart mouth is terribel, so if another operator disagress and wants to lift it, I'll have no problem, but I wont' progress this any futher with you
[17:07] <Chaos2358> bs i never even heard of ##clubb-ubuntu and i swear that on my life
[17:07] <ikonia> Chaos2358: now your a liar too
[17:08] <Chaos2358> look you can say what you want but i'm no liar i'm a man of my word. when i flipped out before i admitted it. i've yet to deny any of my actions
[17:08] <ikonia> Chaos2358: so you deny sitting in club-ubuntu saying I was a fucking idiot and on a power trip ?
[17:09] <Chaos2358> yes
[17:09] <Chaos2358> i put that on my life and my childrens
[17:09] <ikonia> right, your a liar and I watched you do it and I'm not progressing this any more,
[17:09] <Chaos2358> dude ok someone has to be able to figure out it was someone else who can do it because i'm serious man
[17:10] <ikonia> Chaos2358: it was you, I watched you join with the same nick and ip address 5 seconds after you left this channel
[17:10] <ikonia> and you discussed the conversation we had in here
[17:10] <ikonia> it was you - your a liar and your wasting my times, so please leave the channel
[17:10] <Chaos2358> dude aparentlly i cannot win but it was not me
[17:10] <ikonia> bye
[17:10] <Chaos2358> i put that on everything i hold dear
[17:10] <ikonia> enough, bye
[17:11] <Chaos2358> and'ive never even heard of club ubuntu
[17:11] <Chaos2358> ok who is your "boss"
[17:11] <ikonia> I watched you join, so stop wasting my time with lies
[17:11] <ikonia> !appeals
[17:11] <Chaos2358> man you are going to stop disrespecting me calling me a liar
[17:11] <ikonia> can you pelase leave the channel and follow the appeals process, this has wasted enough time
[17:12] <Chaos2358> i've done alot but i've yet to deny any of it
[17:12] <Chaos2358> and i will not deny any of it
[17:12] <Chaos2358> yes it has wasted enough time paste the log here if i was in there i want to see it
[17:13] <Chaos2358> you had no problem pasting any of my other communications paste those as well
[17:13] <ikonia> you know that channel is not publicly logged
[17:13] <ikonia> however I'm sure it won't be hard to get the logs
[17:13] <Chaos2358> yea right it's bs dude
[17:13] <Chaos2358> i want the logs
[17:13] <ikonia> Chaos2358: wait
[17:13] <ikonia> Chaos2358: I owe you a very very humble apologiy
[17:14] <ikonia> I'm getting you mixed up with another user from last night
[17:14] <Chaos2358> thank you
[17:14] <ikonia> my sinceer apologies
[17:14] <ikonia> I've just checked my own logs, %101 my mistake, and apologies
[17:14] <Chaos2358> as i said i have done alot but never lied about any of it
[17:14] <ikonia> nope, that was my mistake and I'm totally at fault, public apologies,
[17:14] <Chaos2358> i was raised to be a man of my word and i've never lied about anything i've done
[17:15] <Chaos2358> now as i asked before can my ban be lifted?
[17:15] <ikonia> nope, fully my fault, again apologies, that wasn't you last night, that was another user we where having an issue with
[17:15] <ikonia> Chaos2358: has 24 hours passed ?
[17:15] <Chaos2358> yes
[17:16] <ikonia> 21:07 <+ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops Chaos2358 again told to come back in 24 hours to show he can follow
[17:16] <ikonia> time is now
[17:16] <Chaos2358> though im not sure exactlly what time it was i spoke to you i know it was around noon my time
[17:16] <ikonia> 17:15
[17:16] <Chaos2358> ok well no it hasnt' i'm sorry i dont really keep track of the actual time
[17:17] <ikonia> ok, so if I remove the ban there will be no more problems
[17:17] <Chaos2358> no
[17:17] <ikonia> give me a minute - as you took my false and wrong characeter assination pretty solid there
[17:17] <Chaos2358> i mean look at this. you just repeatedly insulted my integrity and i didnt flip out on you did i?
[17:17] <Chaos2358> exactlly
[17:18] <Chaos2358> and thank you
[17:20] <ikonia> Chaos2358: can you try joining #ubuntu now please ?
[17:21] <Chaos2358> it still says i'm banned
[17:21] <ikonia> hang on
[17:21] <Chaos2358> ok
[17:21] <ikonia> try now
[17:21] <Chaos2358> bingo
[17:21] <Chaos2358> and thank you
[17:21] <ikonia> Chaos2358: there you go, apologiese for the wrong person
[17:21] <ikonia> that was %100 my fault
[17:22] <Chaos2358> accepted
[17:22] <Chaos2358> but for future refference " though i dont plan on speaking with you under the same circumstances" i'm a man of my word i do wrongs but i own them
[17:23] <Chaos2358> oh and what about off topic?
[17:23] <ikonia> lets see how you get on in #ubuntu first please
[17:23] <Chaos2358> ok no prob
[17:23] <ikonia> thanks
[17:23] <Chaos2358> no thank you
[17:23] <Chaos2358> later
[17:24] <ikonia> bye
[17:24] <ikonia> apologies to all - totally my fault
[17:26] <erUSUL> hi ikonia
[17:26] <erUSUL> the problem is:
[17:26] <erUSUL> !final
[17:26] <ikonia> thanks erUSUL struggling a bit, can you explain without the noise and lets see what we can do
[17:26] <ikonia> ooh, it's the varibles
[17:26] <erUSUL> imho it should say Maverick for a few days
[17:27] <ikonia> ok, tsimpson ping, as I'm not sure how the varible system works with the bot
[17:27] <erUSUL> many people will be asking « if i installed Alpha/Beta/RC of 10.10 do i have the final version .... » for weeks to come
[17:28] <ikonia> understandable
[17:28] <tsimpson> ikonia: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Variables
[17:28] <ikonia> tsimpson: help me out a little please, juggling a bit here
[17:28] <tsimpson> if you want, just s/Devel/Stable/
[17:28] <tsimpson> !-final
[17:28] <tsimpson> we can edit it again later
[17:29] <tsimpson> !final ~= s/Devel/Stable/
[17:29] <tsimpson> !final
[17:29] <tsimpson> !final ~= s/Devel/Stable/
[17:29] <tsimpson> !final
[17:29] <erUSUL> cheers; lightning quick ;) cu
[17:32] <ikonia> thanks tsimpson
[17:42] <ikonia> popey: can you eyeball this as your active please
[17:42] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades#preview
[17:43] <popey> http://ptcbus.blogspot.com/2008/04/upgrading-from-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[17:43] <popey> is that really a useful link on the page?
[17:43] <popey> "Detailed instructions in a blog post"
[17:44] <ikonia> just check the upgrade stuff first please, I'm house keeping now
[17:44] <popey> oh ok
[17:44] <popey> looks sane
[17:44] <ikonia> ok, I'll fix the other page and get them up, then house keep
[17:44] <ikonia> need a working guide first, before I polish
[17:50] <ikonia> popey: where was that link ?
[17:52] <ikonia> if someone could eyeball the parent page also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[17:52] <ikonia> just check for sanity, then the docs should be usable
[17:59] <MaverickOne> ikonia: page isn't loading for me but I think it has to do with the torrent seeding
[17:59] <ikonia> ok
[21:01] <ikonia> how are people talking in +1, I thought it was set to mute
[21:02] <IdleOne> I don't see any talking in +1
[21:02] <IdleOne> the factoid I suggested was for people asking about +1 in #u
[21:04] <ikonia> I'm an idiot, I was in -ot
[21:05] <tonyyarusso> !plus1
[21:05] <nhandler> ikonia: Don't feel bad. I've gotten +1 and -ot mixed up a few times (as jussi will agree)
[21:05] <tonyyarusso> sigh - I was hoping someone else would do it, b/c I'm feeling lazy
[21:05] <IdleOne> lol ikonia
[21:06] <IdleOne> cmon add my factoids, they are helpful :)
[21:06] <tonyyarusso> plus1 is <reply> !Maverick Meerkat - ubuntu 10.10 is now released, #ubuntu+1 is temporarily closed. If you need support please use #ubuntu.  It will re-open when the !Natty toolchain is uploaded.
[21:06] <IdleOne> specially the SoftSource, we are going to get asked that a lot
[21:06] <tonyyarusso> Explain to me what that one's about?
[21:07] <IdleOne> Software Sources is not in the default menu anymore
[21:07] <IdleOne> it's hidden
[21:07] <IdleOne> but can easily be added back
[21:07] <IdleOne> as mentioned above
[21:07] <ikonia> is it not in system->administration ?
[21:08] <IdleOne> not on the default install
[21:08] <IdleOne> in fact it was hidden in a update
[21:08] <ikonia> I my test machine is an update and it's there
[21:09] <IdleOne> got hidden for me and others
[21:10]  * persia suspects it depends on whether the user has previously customised the menu, having two machines with differing behaviour, both upgrades
[21:10] <ikonia> my 10.04 was stock
[21:10] <ikonia> software sources is not hidden in 10.04 so I didn't have to unhide it
[21:10] <ikonia> upgraded and it was still there
[21:10] <ikonia> I used it to change the release from lts to normal
[21:11] <IdleOne> yes, in 10.04 it is there but after the upgrade it is gone for some
[21:12] <IdleOne> not sure why
[21:24] <jpds> !
[21:24] <jpds> !
[21:24] <jpds> !
[21:24] <jpds> !
[21:24] <jpds> !
[21:24] <jpds> 1!
[21:24] <jpds> !!
[21:24] <IdleOne> !repeat | jpds
[21:24] <jpds> !!
[21:25] <tonyyarusso> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!punctuation
[21:26] <jpds> !10.10 is <reply>Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[21:26] <jpds> !no, 10.10 is <reply>Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[21:39] <MichealH> Hello I was wondering when +1 gets -m? Is it after UDS?
[21:39] <MichealH> Or after Alpha1?
[21:42] <IdleOne> in a bout a week
[21:42] <IdleOne> or so
[21:42] <MichealH> Do we _need_ to leave the channel?
[21:42] <MichealH> Like on +1
[21:42] <IdleOne> you can idle there but it is muted
[21:43] <IdleOne> so won't be able to talk
[21:43] <MichealH> Okay
[21:43] <MichealH> Its good to stay there (So i dont forget incase i need it)
[21:44] <IdleOne> I guess so
[21:44] <MichealH> Anyway, Thanks (and a well done on today in #u-r-p - I wouldnt have handled that much pressure)
[21:44] <MichealH> And that many +b's :P
[21:44] <IdleOne> most of us didn't handle the pressure either but we acted like we did
[21:44]  * IdleOne speaks for self
[21:44] <Tm_T> what pressure?
[21:45] <MichealH> IdleOne: I could see like that you lot ser getting a little, twitchy...
[21:45] <IdleOne> dum dum dum dee dee dum dum
[21:45] <MichealH> heh
[21:45] <IdleOne> Under Pressure
[21:45] <topyli> can't touch this!
[21:45] <IdleOne> ha
[21:46] <MichealH> Okies, I cant wait for the next party!
[21:46]  * IdleOne slaps topyli with a large narwhal
[21:46] <IdleOne> lol
[21:46] <topyli> !hammertime
[21:46] <MichealH> I promise to be a good citizen in #u-r-p from now on :)
[21:46] <MichealH> topyli: haha
[21:46] <IdleOne> MichealH: that is all we ask :)
[21:46] <MichealH> I used to love that command
[21:46] <MichealH> IdleOne: Yup :D
[21:46] <IdleOne> be a good Ubuntu community member
[21:47] <MichealH> Im thinking of going for membership ~ January
[21:47] <MichealH> I have helped alot towards Maverick
[21:47] <MichealH> Nore for natty :P
[21:47] <MichealH> *More
[21:48] <topyli> that's how its done! :)
[21:48] <MichealH> Anyway I will follow the topic and /part. Thanks for your company in #u-r-p! :D
[22:08] <IdleOne> left it for you tonyyarusso had a feeling you were lurking about
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> I mean really, if you're going to insult people at least don't hilight them...
[22:09] <IdleOne> they were looking for a ban
[22:40] <Amaranth> Hmm, seems we don't really spike on release days anymore
[22:41] <IdleOne> this release was not as BIG
[22:42] <Seeker`> possibly because of the timing?
[22:42] <Seeker`> 10am on a sunday morning...
[22:43] <Seeker`> usually it is 2 or 3 on a weekday afternoon
[22:43] <IdleOne> I don't think the timing was an issue
[22:43] <IdleOne> just seemed to me that it wasn't as hyped as 10.04
[22:44] <nhandler> IdleOne: Mostly to do with jono if I had to guess. He was fairly silent about this release.
[22:44] <persia> Also helps that everyone's desktop didn't tell them they should update today.
[22:44] <IdleOne> nhandler: possibly, not placing blame on anybody just this release was not as talked about
[22:44] <IdleOne> persia: +1
[22:44] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, we didn't come anywhere NEAR our channel records.
[22:44] <IdleOne> LTS is set to LTS only so that helped? some
[22:45] <nhandler> IdleOne: I'm not blaming him. He just atracts very large crowds with his blog posts/tweets
[22:45] <tonyyarusso> #ubuntu is 600 shy, and -r-p was what, maybe a third the size?
[22:45] <IdleOne> oh I know nhandler, didn't mean to imply you were :)
[22:45] <nhandler> :)
[22:46] <tonyyarusso> Well, we always have the standard fallback - blamepopey.
[22:46] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: What did -party peak at this time? It peaked at over 1200 last time
[22:46] <IdleOne> 504
[22:46] <IdleOne> right around there
[22:46] <tonyyarusso> it was 1519 last time
[22:46] <Seeker`> I think it was time-based
[22:47] <Seeker`> 10am on a sunday is never particularly busy
[22:47] <IdleOne> but like rww mentioned maybe the fact the the bots were setting +r at times made a difference
[22:48] <IdleOne> Seeker`: I know that at 6AM this morning I was more then beat and ready for sleep
[22:48] <tonyyarusso> same
[22:49] <IdleOne> so yeah the US was not as much of a factor
[22:49] <IdleOne> the Americas rather
[22:50] <tonyyarusso> I think the release itself is a big factor though - I for one am planning to not upgrade, for the first time.
[22:50] <IdleOne> chicken
[22:50] <tonyyarusso> There just isn't enough reason to for me.
[22:50] <Tm_T> there's nothing interesting new
[22:50] <IdleOne> I agree
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> The supposedly faster Evolution would be nice, but I think that's about all that looked interesting in the release notes.
[22:52] <tonyyarusso> They still haven't made Evolution properly minimize to the messaging menu, nor can your calendar be used to automatically set your IM availability status
[22:52] <IdleOne> don't know what is so fast about Evolution. seems as slow as ever to me
[22:53] <topyli> nor can you im or call people from the address book
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> ^^ also this
[22:53] <topyli> telepathic evolution or doom!
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> In short, all of the awesomeness that we were promised from telepathy years ago is still vaporware.
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> It's just a different backend that does the exact same thing as before.
[22:54] <topyli> android and meego have all that already
[22:54] <topyli> just steal it dammit!
[22:54] <IdleOne> haha
[22:59] <topyli> tonyyarusso: telepathy awesomeness is real not vapor. eds just doesn't talk to it
[22:59] <topyli> on desktop. on meego it does
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> topyli: *on ubuntu, I meant
[23:00] <topyli> yeah
[23:07] <persia> So, uh, this is fixable if someone wants to make it "just work", but it needs someone to go find out why it works/doesn't work, etc.