| skaet | ogra_ac, ack. :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| * ogra_ac hasnt slept since 30h now and doesnt give any guarantee for any grammar :) | 00:00 | |
| * skaet understands ogra_ac's state only too well, and is very appreciative of the pass that mpt made on the document earlier to clean up the grammar. ;) | 00:09 | |
| ogra_ac | heh, well, i edited after mpt so better check twice :) | 00:09 |
| skaet | ogra_ac: will do another pass after i wake up and am a bit more alert. ;) | 00:12 |
| ogra_ac | heh, good | 00:13 |
| * ogra_ac is off to bed | 00:14 | |
| skaet | Riddell, ScottK, and other community maintainers, if you spot something that is wrong/inaccurate, go ahead and edit the wiki. Please be careful not to collide with others. I had to fix a few of those up tonight. Will see who's around in the morning. ;) | 00:15 |
| * skaet thinks ogra_ac has a good idea. | 00:16 | |
| Riddell | guid nicht skaet | 00:16 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I tested wubi on Windows 7 and it worked fine. There are bugs indicating factors we don't understand, so I can't swear it will work for all Windows 7 users, but it certainly isn't fundamentally incompatible or anything. | 01:11 |
| cjwatson | good luck for release! | 01:11 |
| Riddell | groovy | 01:12 |
| Riddell | thanks cjwatson | 01:12 |
| Riddell | have a nice non-release Sunday | 01:12 |
| marjo | cjwatson: jibel reported migration assistant failed (no option to import for Windows 7); just FYI | 01:17 |
| ScottK | I've successfully tested Riddell's work around for bug 656876 and it avoids the issue. My recommendation is we go ahead and put it in -updates sooner rather than later as more and more people will be upgrading as we get closer to release. | 01:51 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 656876 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "distupgrade crashed during conf file change review (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656876 | 01:51 |
| Riddell | copied to maverick-updates | 01:53 |
| Riddell | still need to make sure mvo updates the meta-release file correctly | 01:53 |
| stgraber | is edubuntu-artwork also in -updates now ? | 01:53 |
| Riddell | dunno, try looking at launchpad | 01:54 |
| stgraber | will try (I'm on my cell) | 01:54 |
| ScottK | It's still pending. | 01:58 |
| ScottK | (in unapproved) | 01:58 |
| stgraber | who do I need to nag to have it moved to -updates (ideally before releas) ? | 01:59 |
| Riddell | stgraber: me or scott can accept it into -proposed then someone needs to test it then we can move it to updates, but it needs a good reason why it should be moved to updates without the normal week's waiting period | 02:01 |
| stgraber | will cause gconf update issue for users upgrading from 10.04 | 02:03 |
| stgraber | we just didn't want it on the DVD as we'd have needed to retest for something that only fixes upgrades | 02:04 |
| roxdragon | weee | 02:04 |
| roxdragon | when relase maverick? | 02:04 |
| stgraber | but we really want that in for users upgrading from 10.04 | 02:04 |
| ScottK | stgraber: What we just did for Kubuntu upgrades is pretty unusual. It's just because it could cause upgrade failures. What's the impact of the Edubuntu issue. | 02:04 |
| ScottK | roxdragon: I think you want to be in #ubuntu-release-party. | 02:05 |
| stgraber | ScottK: it might cause gconf update failure for users upgrading from 10.04 | 02:05 |
| ScottK | stgraber: And then what? Keep in mind I don't use Gnome, so I've no idea what the impact of that is? | 02:06 |
| stgraber | ScottK: as update-gconf will very likely fail for these users until edubuntu-artwork is updated | 02:06 |
| ScottK | And what happens if it fails? | 02:06 |
| ScottK | Does the system upgrade fail? | 02:06 |
| stgraber | ScottK: well, for example installing another software using gconf would probably fail (as in, no setting or schema update) | 02:07 |
| Riddell | stgraber: "we just didn't want it on the DVD" but the bad version is on the DVD surely? | 02:07 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Right, but it just affects upgrades. | 02:07 |
| stgraber | no, the upgrade won't fail but installing any software after the upgrade might fail | 02:08 |
| stgraber | (mvo found the bug and made the upload, I only reviewed+tested the change) | 02:08 |
| ScottK | Personally I'm reluctant to abuse -updates pre-release for things that don't cause a failed upgrade. | 02:10 |
| * ScottK looks at Riddell. | 02:10 | |
| * highvoltage looks at ScottK | 02:13 | |
| Riddell | I'll review it for -proposed for now | 02:13 |
| Riddell | it'll need to build and get tested anyway | 02:14 |
| stgraber | I don't really mind, the only potential issue is that we'll get a few bug reports on random packages failing to install for non-obvious reason | 02:15 |
| persia | stgraber, Which sort of gconf failure? One of the ones that makes folk do `dpkg --configure -a` afterwards, or just a transient issue? | 02:15 |
| Riddell | stgraber: does this also need the gconf update? | 02:16 |
| stgraber | persia: I'd need to recheck the but mvo fixed (once I'm no longer on my | 02:16 |
| stgraber | cell) | 02:16 |
| Riddell | persia: bug 633370 | 02:16 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 633370 in gconf (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "package gconf2 2.31.91-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: No such file or directory: '/usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu' (affects: 6) (dups: 7) (heat: 62)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633370 | 02:16 |
| stgraber | Riddell: nope | 02:16 |
| Riddell | persia: good morning :) | 02:16 |
| persia | Good morning :) I hope you're well east or west of your typical haunts :) | 02:17 |
| persia | That bug *will* cause random packages to not be configured until the update is available. | 02:18 |
| persia | Depending on the postinsts, this may or may not impact things. | 02:18 |
| ScottK | OK. That makes it sound a little more interesting. | 02:18 |
| stgraber | if that was only breaking edubuntu packages I wouldn't mind waiting a few days, but the fact that it'll broke random packages when installing on an upgraded edubuntu is a bit more of an issue | 02:19 |
| persia | Note that, as stgraber says, it may have no impact: it depends entirely on the ordering of the upgrade, which is in the hands of apt, and very hard to determine in advance. | 02:20 |
| ScottK | For a large value of very. | 02:20 |
| Riddell | stgraber: Accepted edubuntu-artwork into maverick-proposed, the package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance! | 02:20 |
| Riddell | where here means bug 633370 | 02:21 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 633370 in gconf (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "package gconf2 2.31.91-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: No such file or directory: '/usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu' (affects: 6) (dups: 7) (heat: 66)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633370 | 02:21 |
| Riddell | stgraber: also that bug needs a TEST CASE comment | 02:21 |
| stgraber | Riddell: ok, highvoltage as a VM we can use for that. Thanks | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | not with me though | 02:21 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: should have taken your laptop, told you :) | 02:22 |
| highvoltage | I tested for 633370 and I couldn't reproduce | 02:22 |
| highvoltage | just talked to stgraber IRL, I didn't test it properly | 02:23 |
| stgraber | sorry, talking was just a lot faster than typing on the n900 :) | 02:23 |
| ScottK | It will need a test case/test result before it can go in -updates. | 02:24 |
| stgraber | sure | 02:26 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: can you write it quickly ? | 02:26 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: not sure if it's good, but it's there | 02:33 |
| Riddell | release note added for Bug: 656876 | 02:35 |
| Riddell | bug 656876 | 02:35 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 656876 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "distupgrade crashed during conf file change review (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656876 | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | (signing off from IRC for now, battery low and I have a policy of getting drunk while on irc) | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | (uhm, I mean not) | 02:38 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: thanks, will test it once we are back home (package should be built by then) | 02:38 |
| GrueMaster | Riddell: (and anyone else that is interested). I am home now, and firing up the kubuntu-desktop image on omap and omap4. I don't plan on Doing a very thorough test of everything, but I want to see if I see the same results reported by mporier & marjo. Will let you know soon. | 02:55 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: Thank you. I think that will be sufficient. | 02:57 |
| ScottK | Very helpful | 02:57 |
| GrueMaster | Sorry I couldn't get to it earlier while at TI, but we were having internet issues. | 02:57 |
| GrueMaster | Hard to download a full image over 3G, and my backups made zsync useless. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | Understood. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | We certainly appreciate your help with this. It's not like you didn't already spend a little bit of time on ISO testing recently. | 02:58 |
| * stgraber is back home and on laptop | 03:01 | |
| stgraber | Riddell: I still see edubuntu-artwork in the queue as unapproved, is that normal ? | 03:03 |
| ScottK | It is if he didn't actually accept it. | 03:06 |
| ScottK | (which seems to be the case) | 03:06 |
| ScottK | Let me have a look | 03:06 |
| persia | GrueMaster, I'd be very interested in your kubuntu-desktop/omap3 experience: I seem to have run into the OOM killer, and so was unable to determine if there were also underlying software crashes. | 03:07 |
| GrueMaster | I plan on hitting it with beqagleXM. | 03:08 |
| GrueMaster | I know it will fail on beagle. | 03:08 |
| GrueMaster | omap4 image looks good. | 03:08 |
| Riddell | hmm, the sru-accept script should have done that | 03:08 |
| Riddell | stgraber: accepted now | 03:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK: ^^ | 03:08 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:09 |
| * ScottK stops | 03:09 | |
| stgraber | Riddell, ScottK, persia: highvoltage and I just looked closely at that bug and it's only affecting users on Lucid who don't follow the upgrade instructions | 03:13 |
| stgraber | if they do an upgrade prior to dist-upgrading, they won't have the bug | 03:13 |
| stgraber | because that symlink issue got fixed as an SRU in lucid | 03:13 |
| stgraber | also, mvo's fix isn't the right one, we don't want to fix the symlink, we actually want it removed completely | 03:13 |
| persia | Oh, cool. Fixing it in a lucid upgrade is even better. | 03:14 |
| ScottK | So should Riddell remove it? | 03:14 |
| stgraber | as fixing the symlink would make it point to another file in /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork which is a symlink to the actual correct file in /usr/share/gconf/defaults | 03:14 |
| stgraber | ScottK: yes | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ | 03:15 |
| ScottK | I can't do that one. | 03:15 |
| stgraber | ScottK: I'm going to upload new package in -proposed which fixes the rm of that symlink completely but that can go post-release | 03:15 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:15 |
| stgraber | ScottK, Riddell: Should I bump the version to 10.10.10.2 for that upload or can I re-use 10.10.10.1 ? | 03:15 |
| ScottK | You need to bump it. | 03:16 |
| ScottK | 10.10.10.1 is used now. | 03:16 |
| Riddell | removed from maverick-proposed | 03:20 |
| stgraber | Riddell: thanks | 03:20 |
| pinnerup | Anyone has any idea when tomorrow the release will be publicly available? | 03:29 |
| Riddell | exactly one hour after the last person asks when it will be available | 03:30 |
| persia | pinnerup, #ubuntu-release-party is the channel to speculate. | 03:30 |
| pinnerup | Ah, thanks. | 03:30 |
| Riddell | we really should have got cjwatson to do the +v only thing | 03:30 |
| ScottK | Only 209 users there. Hardly getting started. | 03:40 |
| ikonia | getting messy though | 03:40 |
| wgrant | Hm, access here is rather limited :( | 03:40 |
| ikonia | thankfull jono appears to have controlled himself this release | 03:41 |
| wgrant | ikonia: Oh, we'll see about that :) | 03:41 |
| roved2101 | hey fanbois is it out yet? | 03:42 |
| ScottK | roved2101: You want #ubuntu-release-party. | 03:43 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You're right. | 03:43 |
| wgrant | At this time you'll need Hobbsee or the IRCC to do it. | 03:44 |
| ikonia | don't think any IRCC members are active | 03:44 |
| wgrant | Yeah :( | 03:44 |
| * micahg could give it a shot as long as the permissions aren't locked | 03:45 | |
| ikonia | they are | 03:47 |
| ikonia | only a few named people and the ircc | 03:47 |
| stgraber | according to the access list: cjwatson, Mithrandir, pitti, Hobbsee, slangasek and UbuntuIrcCouncil | 03:47 |
| stgraber | have access | 03:47 |
| wgrant | Right. As I said, all except Hobbsee and possibly the IRCC should be asleep. | 03:48 |
| ikonia | only cjwatson and hobbsee has full control | 03:48 |
| wgrant | Hmm? | 03:49 |
| ikonia | I don't think it will get bad in here any way | 03:49 |
| micahg | maybe a notice on login that the party channel is for are we there yet stuff? | 03:51 |
| ikonia | no-one reads it | 03:58 |
| persia | +m +v on ubuntu/member is usually better. | 03:59 |
| GrueMaster | Ok, preliminary testing of kubuntu-desktop on beagleXM is good. Slow, but usable. | 03:59 |
| ScottK | \o/ | 04:00 |
| stgraber | I believe last time cjwatson +m the channel and manually +v everyone who's supposed to talk in that channel, then +v people as they joined and had reason to talk | 04:00 |
| wgrant | That happened last time just after the 11th hour reroll was declared. | 04:00 |
| wgrant | It was fairly noisy. It's not close to that level yet. | 04:01 |
| GrueMaster | Ok, the kubuntu-preinstalled-mobile-omap* images are corrupted. I have updated bug 657281 accordingly. | 04:51 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 657281 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Maverick on Omap3 & Omap4: screen goes black and never comes back (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657281 | 04:51 |
| GrueMaster | And I'm out for the night. | 04:51 |
| highvoltage | goodnight GrueMaster | 04:53 |
| stgraber | ok, I'm out for a while, will be back in around 5 hours. | 05:10 |
| nhandler | Did you guys need an IRCC member? | 06:25 |
| wgrant | nhandler: It was desired to +m the channel and +v most people. But things seem to have quietened down now. | 06:27 |
| nhandler | wgrant: So do you not want the +m/+v now? I'm about to head to bed (and I doubt anyone else with access will be around for a few hours, but most confused users will also probably be gone) | 06:30 |
| wgrant | I'm not -release. But it seems quiet enough now that I wouldn't bother. | 06:31 |
| nhandler | Well, not really a release team decision for this, more of a 'what will make the channel function the best' decision. But if you think things are quiet enough now, I'll head to bed. | 06:33 |
| wgrant | Morning robbiew. | 08:32 |
| robbiew | morning | 08:32 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:37 |
| pitti | ikonia: what's up? | 08:38 |
| pitti | (I'm not IRC council, FTR) | 08:38 |
| wgrant | You're not IRCC, but you have access here. | 08:39 |
| * pitti starts SRU processing | 08:40 | |
| pitti | cjwatson, slangasek, ScottK: FYI, switched queuediff to default to maverick | 08:42 |
| ttx | skaet, robbiew: o/ | 09:09 |
| Daviey | ttx: o/ | 09:09 |
| ttx | Daviey: still around ? | 09:09 |
| Daviey | ttx: Seems you made it back safely :) | 09:09 |
| Daviey | ttx: Yeah | 09:09 |
| skaet | tty, o/ | 09:10 |
| ttx | ttz waves back | 09:10 |
| pitti | hey skaet, good morning | 09:10 |
| pitti | hey ttx | 09:10 |
| skaet | hey pitti, good morning | 09:14 |
| * ttx keeps a window open into a 10.10.10 world | 09:16 | |
| pitti | ok, SRU queue cleared, except for two which I need further info for, and udev which I uploaded myself | 09:29 |
| slangasek | speaking of the SRU queue, I still need to announce this plan about the SRU freeze later this month. Do you think that belongs on u-d-a or u-d? | 09:31 |
| pitti | slangasek: uda would be better IMHO | 09:32 |
| pitti | we used to send out SRU process changes there | 09:32 |
| wgrant | robbiew: You know that only ops can see what normal people are saying in #u-r-a, right? | 09:32 |
| pitti | and right after release everyone is trying to get in SRUs | 09:32 |
| slangasek | pitti: ack | 09:33 |
| robbiew | wgrant: yep | 09:33 |
| wgrant | Heh. It just looks a bit odd to see you shushing nonexistent people. | 09:33 |
| persia | What is the plan for the "SRU Freeze"? Is there a draft? | 09:40 |
| tgardner | pitti, I'll have the 0 day kernel release uploaded in a few minutes, once I'm sure its exactly what Leann uploaded. | 09:43 |
| pitti | tgardner: ah, great | 09:46 |
| marjo | skaet: ISO Testing Results: 100% test image coverage; 100% mandatory test cases done; 99.9% optional test cases | 09:56 |
| tgardner | pitti, re-uploaded linux_2.6.35-22.34. holler if it ain't right | 10:04 |
| pitti | tgardner: to -security? | 10:08 |
| Riddell | morning | 10:08 |
| pitti | I don't have control over that, I think we need jdstrand, kees, or mdeslaur | 10:08 |
| pitti | hey Riddell, good morning | 10:08 |
| tgardner | pitti, yep, to -security | 10:09 |
| tgardner | pitti, you're right. I can't upload to -security. can you just promote Leann's upload to -security? or do I _really_ need one of the security team geeks to do this? | 10:12 |
| pitti | I don't know their current procedure | 10:15 |
| pitti | we could in theory build it in -proposed, and then copy over to -security | 10:15 |
| pitti | but I don't know what that'd break | 10:16 |
| pitti | tgardner: was that ever done before? | 10:16 |
| tgardner | pitti, APW AND SMB TELL ME THATS THE WAY IT WAS DONE LAST TIME | 10:16 |
| tgardner | oops, sorry | 10:16 |
| * apw covers his ears | 10:16 | |
| persia | It won't break anything as long as none of the packages that end up installed *during the build* differ between -updates and -security. If any differ, breaks semantic validity of -security, and is very, very, very bad. | 10:17 |
| wgrant | Soyuz-wise it will work fine. | 10:18 |
| wgrant | Is it not embargoed, though? | 10:19 |
| pitti | no, and USN release should be done at the time of -proposed -> -security | 10:19 |
| tgardner | all of the CVEs have been released | 10:19 |
| pitti | tgardner: ok, accepted; should build now | 10:20 |
| pitti | I'll sort out the bug mangling after breakfast | 10:20 |
| tgardner | pitti, cool, thanks | 10:20 |
| Riddell | mvo: how come meta-release uses maverick-propoed and not maverick-updates ? | 10:42 |
| mvo | Riddell: yes, I already updates that | 10:45 |
| mvo | Riddell: for the kubuntu fix you did | 10:45 |
| Riddell | thanks for that | 10:46 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't answer my question :) | 10:46 |
| mvo | Riddell: I was wondering if we shouldn't set the diff to "expanded" by default (and hide the button). but I don't know if that will cause issues :/ | 10:46 |
| Riddell | mvo: well expanding it is the problem, that's what loads the troublesome plugin | 10:46 |
| mvo | Riddell: aha, ok. could we load and expand it when the upgrade starts? | 10:47 |
| mvo | Riddell: so that it does not load it on demand? | 10:47 |
| mvo | Riddell: about -proposed, let me check | 10:47 |
| Riddell | I did try a version with show/hide at the start, but it didn't help for some reason and I ran out of time | 10:47 |
| mvo | Riddell: aha, thanks! | 10:48 |
| mvo | Riddell: about -updates> there is no release-upgrader in -updates :/ that is a soyuz bug | 10:49 |
| mvo | Riddell: I work around it usually by using the explict version from -updates in the meta-release file | 10:49 |
| Riddell | silly soyuz | 10:49 |
| mvo | Riddell: but currently current and 0.142.20 are the same, so I did not use the explicit vresion | 10:49 |
| wgrant | Silly custom uploads, more likely :P | 10:49 |
| mvo | *pff* ;) | 10:50 |
| wgrant | Well, actually silly Soyuz design decisions from 5.5 years ago that are really awkward to change :( | 10:50 |
| pitti | hm, do we block torrents until the red button? | 11:03 |
| pitti | "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" | 11:03 |
| persia | Ought do, really. | 11:03 |
| pitti | of coruse it's possible that my ISP recently blocked that | 11:04 |
| slangasek | never heard of torrent blocking before | 11:04 |
| pitti | I don't usually use torrents, but it's step 7 in "release - 3h" | 11:04 |
| pitti | some guys in #u-r-p also say that torrents don't work for them | 11:05 |
| stgraber | pitti: mine are still downloading. The tracker seemed to be dead initialiy, took 10min or so for them to start | 11:05 |
| pitti | stgraber: ok, thanks for confirming | 11:06 |
| * pitti blames Telekom then | 11:06 | |
| Riddell | are we nearly there yet? | 11:10 |
| persia | Riddell, at least another hour :p | 11:10 |
| pitti | 10:10 UTC *cough* | 11:10 |
| wgrant | 10:10:12 :( | 11:10 |
| wgrant | Congrats everyone. | 11:10 |
| pitti | web site wise we haven't released yet, though :) | 11:12 |
| * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release | 11:12 | |
| wgrant | pitti: Looks good to me. | 11:12 |
| pitti | even though #u-r-p claims otherwise | 11:12 |
| pitti | ah, now! | 11:12 |
| gaspa | o/ | 11:12 |
| pitti | \o/ | 11:12 |
| nigelb | "06:10 <@robbiew> Ubuntu 10.10 is released" | 11:12 |
| pitti | meerkat dance! | 11:12 |
| * persia encourages anyone doing things a bit late to consider the -d argument to touch(1) | 11:13 | |
| wgrant | Heh. | 11:13 |
| pitti | robbiew: "Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:10:10 +0100" -> well fudged^Wdone!! | 11:14 |
| stgraber | yeah ! | 11:14 |
| nigelb | \o/ | 11:14 |
| * stgraber does the Edubuntu release magic and goes back to bed, it's a bit early here ;) | 11:14 | |
| nigelb | tbh, less crazier release this time :) | 11:14 |
| persia | Trick to being uncrazy is doing it Sunday rather than Thursday. | 11:15 |
| pitti | congrats everyone! | 11:15 |
| Squirm | yaya | 11:15 |
| Squirm | :D | 11:15 |
| marjo | congrats everyone! skaet: nice first release | 11:15 |
| nigelb | persia: heh, good point | 11:15 |
| pitti | who wants to have the honor of updating #devel topic? | 11:15 |
| slangasek | skaet, robbiew et al: congrats! | 11:15 |
| wgrant | Heh, OMG! was 5 minutes late. | 11:16 |
| * pitti votes for skaet | 11:16 | |
| marjo | pitti: ditto | 11:16 |
| pitti | wgrant: went to the loo at the wrong time? | 11:16 |
| nigelb | pitti: hahaha | 11:16 |
| Squirm | lol | 11:16 |
| robbiew | slangasek: thank you my friend | 11:17 |
| * nigelb bows to robbiew | 11:17 | |
| nigelb | Beautiful release mail | 11:17 |
| mvo | congrats skaet and robbiew from me as well! | 11:17 |
| marjo | robbiew: congrats for another fine release | 11:18 |
| robbiew | nigelb: I aim to please | 11:18 |
| robbiew | nigelb: and notice the time the email was sent ;) | 11:18 |
| nigelb | robbiew: DANG! YOU ROCK! | 11:18 |
| nigelb | how in the world did you get the timing right :D | 11:18 |
| persia | robbiew, So, how many times did you need to reset your clock to ensure that time? | 11:18 |
| pitti | robbiew: mutt's "edit all headers" feature, presumably? :-) | 11:19 |
| robbiew | persia: pitti: well.....;) | 11:19 |
| persia | (and if you try for that sort of time again, consider setting your timezone to Reykjavik for the extra +0000 goodness) | 11:19 |
| robbiew | persia: NEVER AGAIN!!! | 11:19 |
| persia | Awwww | 11:19 |
| persia | Note that there was a certain inevitability about it, making the anticipation today less exciting than usual. | 11:20 |
| wgrant | Well, it could have gone the way of Lucid. | 11:21 |
| pitti | persia: not quite; remember what happened to earth just 5 minutes before the program ended | 11:21 |
| Riddell | http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/maverick/desktop/ not updated? | 11:21 |
| Riddell | (or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/maverick/desktop/ ) | 11:21 |
| persia | pitti, See, that's the unfortunate aspect of the misnomer of "trilogy": it was all reset so that nobody really noticed. | 11:21 |
| Squirm | the website link is quick too | 11:21 |
| Squirm | got it in 5min | 11:21 |
| pitti | newz2000, robbiew: web site alert: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-edition is 404 | 11:22 |
| pitti | it's the prominent link from teh announcement | 11:22 |
| Squirm | I downloaded it from | 11:22 |
| Squirm | http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download | 11:22 |
| wgrant | Hm. Some of the screenshots on the front page are a bit bad. | 11:23 |
| robbiew | pitti: fixing now | 11:23 |
| robbiew | pitti: ...well, elmo is getting it fixed ;)_ | 11:24 |
| Ng | pitti: where did you get that link from? | 11:24 |
| pitti | Ng: robbie's email announcement | 11:24 |
| pitti | same problem with http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.10-server-edition | 11:24 |
| pitti | Ng: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html | 11:24 |
| Ng | thanks | 11:24 |
| pitti | Ng: I'm afraid this is the one email we can't possibly send a followup to, date wise | 11:25 |
| nigelb | All I can ay is mod_rewrite ftw to fix that :/ | 11:25 |
| * ttx congrats everyone | 11:28 | |
| ttx | robbiew, Daviey, skaet: no release at http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/ ? | 11:30 |
| Ng | pitti: robbiew: fixed | 11:31 |
| * ttx compares with http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/release/ | 11:31 | |
| pitti | Ng: cool, thanks! | 11:31 |
| Daviey | ttx: skaet is working on it now | 11:31 |
| robbiew | ttx: who does that? | 11:31 |
| Daviey | (i think) | 11:31 |
| ttx | robbiew: I think it's some nectarine magic | 11:31 |
| robbiew | ttx: ack | 11:32 |
| persia | If it's magic, it's probably a target for automation: we've done enough releases, we ought know how to do it. | 11:32 |
| robbiew | ttx: see #distro | 11:32 |
| slangasek | it's in the checklist, in fact; is it missing a command to push the changes to the mirrors maybe? | 11:33 |
| pitti | have a nice Sunday everyone! | 11:34 |
| marjo | pitti: congrats & thx! | 11:34 |
| sabdfl | well done all | 11:38 |
| ttx | Daviey, skaet: also the aws pages still point to RC, but I guess this needs to be done after the publication script. | 11:39 |
| Daviey | ttx: yeah | 11:46 |
| Daviey | ttx: Do you happen to know how long the upload normally takes? | 11:46 |
| ttx | 5 min | 11:50 |
| ttx | according to smoser | 11:50 |
| ttx | "the only thing needed is a < 5 minute operation "Make the build public"." | 11:51 |
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| ttx | Daviey, skaet: you're trying to run "promote-daily --make-public", right | 11:51 |
| skaet | ttx, yup. ;) | 11:54 |
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| smoser | skaet, Daviey ttx i'm here. | 12:28 |
| smoser | got your call, and see that | 12:28 |
| smoser | :-( | 12:28 |
| ogra_ac | hmm, somehow the manifest files for omap and omap4 didnt get copied to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/ | 12:40 |
| robbiew | ogra_ac: perhaps pitti can help...skaet is resolving some ec2 images related stuff | 12:45 |
| ogra_ac | robbiew, no hurry, if someone complains i can send them to the daily image page it has the right file | 12:45 |
| robbiew | ogra_ac: ack | 12:46 |
| ogra_ac | (and worst case i could copy them over manually, but i think the release script misses a bit, cjwatson fixed the daily scripts for us but we seemingly both forgot about the actual release script) | 12:46 |
| skaet | ogra_ac, if you can, just copy them over, and we'll add it to the post-mortem list for the scripts. | 12:47 |
| ogra_ac | k | 12:47 |
| skaet | thanks! | 12:49 |
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| ogra_ac | hmm, i cpoied them to the right dir on antimony but dont see them on cdimage | 13:22 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: what's up? | 15:47 |
| pitti | (sorry, was out for a hike) | 15:47 |
| ogra_ac | pitti, manifest files are missing for omap and omap4 | 15:48 |
| ogra_ac | pitti, i copied them manually in the right dir on antimony, but apparently they dont get mirrored to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/ | 15:49 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: you ran sync-mirrors? | 15:50 |
| ogra_ac | ah, no, i didnt | 15:50 |
| * ogra_ac has never touched the publishing stuff | 15:50 | |
| pitti | you need to run that after each change | 15:50 |
| ogra_ac | ok | 15:50 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: I'll check it and run it now | 15:50 |
| ogra_ac | ok, thanks | 15:50 |
| pitti | weird, why is cdimage so slow today? | 15:51 |
| ogra_ac | lol | 15:51 |
| elmo | :-( | 15:51 |
| pitti | (SCNR) | 15:51 |
| * ogra_ac guesses somone downloads something from it | 15:51 | |
| elmo | you're up to 5 damn servers - I'm going to go to 7 next time | 15:51 |
| ogra_ac | (just a guess though) | 15:51 |
| pitti | the day when we do a release and cdimage is fast is a good day to look for another job | 15:51 |
| ogra_ac | yeah | 15:52 |
| pitti | it's actually surprisingly fast, j/k | 15:52 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-netbook-armel+dove.manifest works, though; do you mean another one? | 15:52 |
| ogra_ac | last release i needed several tries to get to it | 15:52 |
| ogra_ac | pitti, omap and omap4 | 15:52 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: ah, I see | 15:53 |
| ogra_ac | i dont care about dove, nobody has that HW out in the wild | 15:53 |
| persia | Nobody has omap4 either :p | 15:53 |
| ogra_ac | persia, well, but omap4 is on pre-sales | 15:53 |
| persia | True. | 15:54 |
| pitti | ogra_ac: rsync running, will take a bit | 15:54 |
| ogra_ac | pitti, thanks a lot | 15:54 |
| * pitti off again, cu tomorrow | 15:57 | |
| ttx | elmo: how is the download rate going ? Does releasing on a sunday make a difference ? | 16:06 |
| ttx | for the record, the cloud images are OK now :) | 16:07 |
| ttx | thanks to smoser that we woke up on that fine Sunday morning | 16:07 |
| * skaet thanks smoser for getting up so early! thanks too to ttx and daviey for helping to sort it all out. | 16:22 | |
| Daviey | :D | 16:23 |
| skaet | pitti, ogra_ac - are things sorted out with the manifests noe? | 16:25 |
| skaet | s/noe/now/ | 16:25 |
| ogra_ac | skaet, yep | 16:27 |
| ogra_ac | everything fine now | 16:27 |
| skaet | *\o/* | 16:30 |
| ogra_ac | :) | 16:30 |
| skaet | thanks ogra_ac, pitti! | 16:31 |
| smoser | ttx, thanks for catching the ami pages. | 17:00 |
| smoser | i'm checking them now | 17:00 |
| ttx | smoser: cool | 17:00 |
| smoser | i'm not sure how the alpha1 ami ids got into the x86_64 header | 17:00 |
| smoser | that ws the only errors you saw, right? | 17:00 |
| ttx | and the 32 bit header contained the 64bit header | 17:01 |
| ttx | I think | 17:01 |
| ttx | the bodies were ok | 17:01 |
| ttx | yep, maverick-i386.txt contained data from the 64-bit AMIs | 17:04 |
| ttx | was pretty confusing, I ended up with two 64-bit pages :) | 17:04 |
| jdstrand | pitti: fyi, ogasawara had an ack from kees regarding the 0-day kernel on maverick to build in -proposed and copy to -security since there is nothing in -updates now (and therefore builds in -proposed and -security would be identical) | 17:13 |
| jdstrand | pitti: that of course won't last forever :) for today it is fine though | 17:14 |
| persia | jdstrand, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-updates/main/source/ doesn't appear empty to me. And it also doesn't appear identical to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-security/main/source/ (even ignoring the other components, which ogre-model protects the kernel from anyway) | 19:22 |
| persia | kees, ogasawara ^^ | 19:22 |
| lamont | persia: see also https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager | 19:31 |
| persia | lamont, Yes. The main point being that while it happens to be true that the set of packages installed on a kernel build is identical, the rationale given for the free pass of the 0-day kernel SRU doesn't happen to be valid, so ought be adjusted. | 19:32 |
| persia | (free pass for -updates -> -security, which is typically bad) | 19:33 |
| lamont | ah | 19:33 |
| lamont | I'm also missing about 15 minutes of context | 19:33 |
| persia | More like ~8 hours, if I recall correctly. Might even be 10. | 19:34 |
| persia | (at least I was responding to a last comment ~2 hours ago in a (slow) discussion on the topic since about that long back) | 19:34 |
| persia | Anyway, have a good weekend. I should probably finish waking up before adding more. | 19:35 |
| lifeless | persia: you're out of your normal TZ? | 20:10 |
| persia | lifeless, No. Just up a bit earlier than usual. | 20:10 |
| jdstrand | persia: granted, update-manager slipped in since the free pass was given, but as stated and you know as well, it won't affect the build | 21:49 |
| jdstrand | -proposed will also pull in -updates and -security, so building the kernel in -proposed is still ok | 21:49 |
| jdstrand | persia: also, this is a one time free pass-- we are very careful about *not* copying from -updates -> -security. but I think you know that as well. so I think in all we have maximum clarity now | 21:50 |
| persia | Right. I just wanted to make sure the official justification was because nothing in -updates would be pulled by the build, rather than that nothing was in -updates, given timestamps, etc. best to set precedents carefully, even when one hopes to never repeat. | 22:11 |
| rlameiro | popey: hi, persia told me that you manage some kind of video distribution of ubuntu related stuff, is there something for ubuntu studio? | 22:18 |
| persia | heh. I certainly didn't expect that to appear in this channel :) | 22:20 |
| jcastro | rlameiro: #ubuntu-community-team for those kind of questions please! | 22:20 |
| rlameiro | well, its the only channel i found Popey:D sorry jcastro | 22:21 |
| jcastro | no worries | 22:21 |
| rlameiro | jcastro: why are some ubuntu channels hidden on the whois? | 22:21 |
| persia | It's not that, it's some people don't expose all their channels in /whois | 22:22 |
| rlameiro | ok | 22:23 |
| nhandler | rlameiro: The +i usermode is now enabled by default. This means that when you /whois a user, you will only see channels that you share with them (unless the user manually removed the +i usermode) | 22:34 |
| rlameiro | oh, ok | 22:36 |
| rlameiro | nhandler: thanks for the info, i didnt knew that | 22:36 |
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