[00:38] <hggdh> ah. Just lost a filesystem when trying to set up a machine for iscsi :-(
[00:40] <marjo> hggdh: sorry to hear that
[00:40] <marjo> hggdh: can you recover?
[00:41] <hggdh> nope... I have a backup, though. But I am so pissed right now that I decided to reinstall the whole thing
[00:42] <marjo> hggdh: i've never heard you so upset, please don't let iSCSI testing give you unnecessary stress
[00:42] <jibel> marjo, both m-a testcases failed :(
[00:42] <marjo> jibel: sorry to hear that
[00:42] <hggdh> marjo: I am going to drink a glass of wine now, it should help ;-)
[00:42] <marjo> jibel: from windows 7
[00:42] <marjo> ?
[00:43] <jibel> yes, windows 7
[00:43] <jibel> there's no option during installation to import data from windows
[00:43] <marjo> hggdh: i recommend a nice bordeaux or cabernet sauvignon (napa valley please)
[00:44] <marjo> jibel: ack
[00:44] <hggdh> :-) well, guess what... it _is_ a cabernet sauvignon from Napa valley indeed
[00:45] <marjo> hggdh: i like your taste
[00:45] <hggdh> marjo: I have to say your taste is also very good
[00:45] <hggdh> jibel: ^
[00:45] <marjo> jibel, hggdh: the iso test coverage looks very good; so close to 100%!
[00:46] <marjo> just waiting on charlie-tca on live session for amd64
[00:46] <hggdh> marjo: and my bloody iscsi
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Still got another hour to the download
[00:47] <marjo> charlie-tca: ack
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Bloody slow internet
[00:49] <jibel> hggdh, marjo is right, your taste is good, but I'm not native from Bordeaux but from Champagne.
[00:49] <marjo> jibel: you and ttx are lucky
[00:50] <hggdh> argh! Now I cannot open the CDROM enclosure
[00:50] <hggdh> life is stacked against me
[00:52] <hggdh> why is it we (on the server arena) cannot have a nice grub display shown on cold-boot? I cannot, simply CANNOT get grub to stop booting
[00:53] <marjo> hggdh: have you talked to ttx & cjwatson about that?
[00:55]  * charlie-tca thinks this channel seems like the wrong place to ask
[00:55] <marjo> charlie-tca: well, i meant in the appropriate channel, of course
[00:56] <charlie-tca> lol
[00:56] <charlie-tca> sorry, marjo . I meant that to hggdh
[00:56] <marjo> charlie-tca: hggdh just uses this channel to vent his frustrations on whomever might be around
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we all one channel for that :-)
[00:57] <marjo> and you and i are foolish enough to pay attention to his rantings
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Excitement building! only 30 minutes left on my download
[00:58] <charlie-tca> If it makes him feel better that someone is listening, it's okay
[00:58] <hggdh> I think this is being brought up already. But it surprised me that I cannot interrupt grub
[00:58] <marjo> charlie-tca: it does
[01:04] <hggdh> marjo: I am afraid I will not be able to test iscsi now, given that I am stuck on boot (mountall fails and does not return), I cannot interrrupt grub, and the CDROM refuses to open the door
[01:04] <marjo> hggdh: understood; thanks for trying so valiantly
[01:05] <hggdh> I will keep on trying, but better not to rely on me. Very sorry
[01:05] <marjo> hggdh: np; you tried your best; now enjoy your weekend
[01:11] <jibel> I have my dose of testing for today, good night folks !
[01:12] <marjo> jibel: good night and thx!
[01:33] <marjo> hi micahg
[01:34] <micahg> hi marjo, can I help with something?
[01:34] <marjo> any chance you can help with the very few remaining test cases?
[01:34] <micahg> marjo: I can try
[01:34] <charlie-tca> Hey, I made it! live session is working from the dvd
[01:34] <micahg> marjo: can you point me in the right direction?
[01:34] <charlie-tca> signed off
[01:35] <marjo> charlie-tca! excellent!
[01:35] <marjo> charlie-tca: thank you
[01:35] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[01:35] <marjo> micahg: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/notcompleted
[01:35] <charlie-tca> Seems like a long time
[01:36] <marjo> charlie-tca: you got us to 100% of mandatory test cases
[01:36] <micahg> marjo: is a VM good enough?
[01:37] <marjo> hggdh: ^^^
[01:37] <marjo> micahg: for those remaining test cases, you need to set up iSCSI on a server
[01:37] <micahg> marjo: oh, I don't have the hardware for that
[01:38] <micahg> I could probably run through the VMWare test case if you need that done
[01:38] <marjo> or have access to VMWare Easy Install
[01:38] <marjo> micahg: yes, that'd be great
[01:38]  * micahg looks for VMWare download...
[01:42] <micahg> marjo: is the open source version of VMWare workstation good enough?
[01:45] <marjo> micahg: yes, should be
[01:45] <micahg> k, downloading
[01:51]  * micahg is lost, doesn't seem to have workstation even though it says it does
[01:55] <charlie-tca> Do I have to have scsi drives to run those iscsi tests? or can it be faked?
[02:02] <marjo> hggdh: ^^^
[02:06] <charlie-tca> Trying it in VBox, anyway
[02:07] <persia> You don't need SCSI drives to do iSCSI testing.
[02:07] <persia> You *do* need to configure another host to be an iSCSI server.
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah?
[02:08] <persia> Yeah.  I don't know precisely how that works, but I know iSCSI is a network layer system.
[02:08] <persia> So one defines a (potentially virtual) block device on one device, and then serves that over the network to the device being installed.
[02:09] <persia> Essential for servers for SAN-like environments.  More questionable for Desktops, given the flexibility of LTSP, but not unused in some environments.
[02:10] <persia> the "iscitarget" package seems related
[02:12] <persia> http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-on-ubuntu-9.04-initiator-and-target is probably out of date
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Well, that seems pretty involved for my pea-brain tonight
[02:22] <persia> Do we have a testcases project on which we can report bugs with testcase descriptions?
[02:23] <persia> charlie-tca, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot/KVMExample might help (although it would be nice to have a non-KVM example (or non-local-KVM)
[02:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks persia
[02:24] <charlie-tca> umm, I don't think we do have anywhere to report a bug. It is a wiki, isn't it?
[02:25] <persia> Well, sure, but it's a lot easier for me to say "Needs documentation on how to set up for non-KVM or non-local KVM environments" about a specific test case than to learn the system, write the necessary doc, and link it :)
[02:26] <persia> Mind you, it's only useful if people want a bug tracker to use for tasklists.
[02:27] <charlie-tca> true
[02:28] <charlie-tca> It is just that I seem to recall seeing something about a testcase bug, and that was the answer given
[02:29] <charlie-tca> But that page looks like I can do it
[02:31] <persia> The more I encounter these things, the more I think that preparing the testcases and documentation (and integrating them with each other and with the existing environment) should be a required part of accomplishing a specification.  Unfortuantely, adding "requirements" to volunteer efforts (and moreso to efforts funded by corporate entities whose agendas may differ from that of Ubuntu) is tricky.
[02:33] <charlie-tca> I really like that reference to "here" in line 4
[02:35] <persia> That probably ought be a link :)
[02:37] <charlie-tca> I thought so too. But, at least there is some help :-)
[02:39] <charlie-tca> hm, might have to adjust my firewall for this too
[02:41] <persia> If you're doing it in KVM, you shouldn't (as it ought never get off the KVM network).
[02:41] <persia> If you're doing it for real, maybe :)
[02:42] <charlie-tca> Trying to do it in VirtualBox
[02:42] <persia> Aha.  Good luck!
[02:42] <charlie-tca> so far, so good
[02:42] <charlie-tca> thanks :-)
[02:43]  * persia misses kqemu
[03:02] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you also need a partition/device to be used as an iscsitarget. This is where I screwed up...
[03:03] <charlie-tca> I think I am gaining on it.
[03:04] <hggdh> persia: I was wondering the same re. tests and requirements
[03:04] <persia> hggdh, Can't one just use a image file?
[03:05] <persia> hggdh, the entire idea->specification->implementation->testing->documentation->support process probably needs a good look, and some documentation.  I'm not convinced that anyone has a vision of how that is currently supposed to work.
[03:05] <persia> Even if we assume that we can't force folk to do stuff, we ought at least be able to set up worklists of stuff needing doing for each bit.
[03:05] <hggdh> persia, charlie-tca: see http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-on-ubuntu-9.04-initiator-and-target -- there is a step-by-step there
[03:06] <charlie-tca> Trying to follow that and the testcase at the same time
[03:06] <persia> Is that up to date?  I worried it might be old.
[03:06] <hggdh> persia: even more -- we should guarantee that every single test has at least one (ideally) two persona with the necessary hardware
[03:07] <hggdh> the iscsi doc is a bit dated, but seems not much changed
[03:08] <persia> Finding people with hardware isn't that hard.
[03:08] <persia> We used to sustain the "Laptop Testing Team", where folks would document their laptop, and each laptop model had someone primarily responsible for it.
[03:09] <persia> Most folk were happy to volunteer for the prestige of being responsible for a laptop (and Canonical helped by sending ~20 folks laptops to get it started)
[03:09] <persia> But it fell apart because the communication channels from the folks responsible for each device to the folks responsible for the code to make the device work broke down.
[03:10] <hggdh> it is more than laptops now it is, for example, having an iscsi server (and at least one iscsi target), it is having capable armels, opla2, etc
[03:11] <hggdh> it is having a Windows box and access to VMWare ESX somewhere
[03:11] <hggdh> etc, etc
[03:11] <persia> opla2?
[03:11] <hggdh> daarn! omap3/4
[03:11] <hggdh> heh
[03:11]  * persia is fairly sure this isn't a reference to Ostrich pancratic phosphiolipase A2
[03:12] <persia> That's a subcategory of "capable armels", and the "omap4" target doesn't exist yet, as far as anyone can tell.
[03:12] <hggdh> nope, it is a reference to that famous TV show anchor -- Oplah Win<something>
[03:13] <hggdh> yes, I understand that. But the number of different hardware/configuration only increases
[03:13] <persia> But we do have folk with armels: myself (although it doesn't have enough RAM), rlamiero, GrueMaster, probably more (although I don't see much traffic from the rest here).
[03:14] <hggdh> there you go. You tried, but your armel is not up-to-task, the others did not pop in (AFAICR)
[03:14] <persia> GrueMaster was talking about testing in -release.
[03:15] <GrueMaster> Testing now.
[03:15] <hggdh> thank you, GrueMaster
[03:15] <persia> I think rlamiero ran out of time being awake doing UbuntuStudio testing (I think he did ~65% of the testcases)
[03:15] <hggdh> but the argument is still valid: we have to revisit the whole process
[03:15] <GrueMaster> I'm also pulling kubuntu-mobile to see what the issue that reported is all about.  Could be nothing.
[03:15] <persia> (plus there's an annoying bug with the bootloader that means the base image won't work on rlamiero's hardware)
[03:16] <persia> hggdh, My argument is that we need to focus on recruitment of folk, and spreading the message to the support teams so that the set of "supported" stuff matches the set of "tested" stuff.
[03:17] <hggdh> this is my view also, persia
[03:17]  * persia has seen too many cases where someone actively working on and testing something has been told "unsupported" (often with graphics tablets, joysticks, or other input devices, but still)
[03:18] <hggdh> I would go farther, and try to guarantee that the message is not only passed around, but enforced
[03:18] <persia> There's no potential for enforcement, really.
[03:18] <persia> That's the issue with volunteer projects (yes, some people are paid, but the big 4-5 companies that pay folk all have slightly different goals, so from a project perspective, they are still volunteers)
[03:19] <hggdh> indeed
[03:20] <hggdh> but -- for example -- now I know I should have set one of my servers as a iscsi host/target a _long_ time ago, instead of trying it today and finding a series of problems
[03:21] <hggdh> that ended up with a dead machine, until I perform surgery and replace the CDROM drive
[03:21] <charlie-tca> okay, my two VBox machines are talking, now if only it will come back to something more than a blank screen
[03:22] <charlie-tca> heh, it is supposed to continue the install, right?
[03:23] <persia> supposed to do so :)
[03:26] <charlie-tca> Well... Maybe I haven't waited enough. I will just have to see :-)
[03:30] <charlie-tca> I think I did something wrong
[03:31] <charlie-tca> This has been a rough week for testing. lost one cd-rw, one motherboard, all my VBox setups, and can't follow directions
[03:32] <charlie-tca> Well, thanks for all the help. I will have to try this when I am not exhausted, I guess. I am sorry.
[03:57] <persia> charlie-tca, Sleep well :)
[09:57] <marjo> folks: thanks to everyone who helped out with the ISO testing!
[09:57] <marjo> ISO Testing Results: 100% test image coverage; 100% mandatory test cases done; 99.9% optional test cases
[09:59] <marjo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[10:05] <persia> marjo, We need better docs for iscsitarget :)
[10:07] <marjo> persia: ack
[10:59] <alourie> good morning
[11:00] <alourie> or, rather, good day
[11:19] <marjo> congratulations on 10.10 release everyone! great job on the testing QA front
[11:24] <alourie> wow, is it out??
[11:24] <alourie> main site says it is...
[11:32] <marjo> alourie: go for it!
[11:36] <alourie> marjo: sure, I think it will take about 2 minutes, as my system is quite up to date
[11:36] <marjo> alourie: nice; enjoy
[11:37] <alourie> yea :-)
[17:34] <sulumar> Happy Release everyone