[00:37] <Kurdistan> hello :P
[00:37] <charlie-tca> !hi | Kurdistan
[00:39] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca you seem to be :) real xubuntu friend
[00:39] <charlie-tca> I try hard
[00:39] <Kurdistan> xubuntu is good. but light like lubuntu for old computers.
[00:40] <Kurdistan> but if somebody like the apperence of xfce and likes the best buntu control center xubuntu is perfect
[00:40] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:40] <Kurdistan> *not light like lubuntu
[00:41] <charlie-tca> lubuntu is about 30% lighter then Xubuntu, which is about 30% lighter than Ubuntu.
[00:41] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca you know which network manager xubuntu maverick will use?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> Same as it has been
[00:41] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca according to distrowatch lubuntu is bigger then both xubuntu/kubuntu
[00:42] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu is new, it gets users trying it. Of course, you can not use it without adding a lot of applications, or so I have heard.
[00:43] <Kurdistan> what will be different from xubuntu lucid. not taking about kernel etc. more default apps and so on.
[00:43] <charlie-tca> huh? lucid is 10.04, it is already out
[00:43] <charlie-tca> Do you mean maverick?
[00:44] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I mean if you compare defualt apps etc in lucid with maverick
[00:44] <Kurdistan> what have changed?
[00:44] <Kurdistan> what have gone and come
[00:44] <Kurdistan> replaced
[00:44] <Kurdistan> etc
[00:45] <charlie-tca> We replaced brasero with xfburn, replaced Gnome-task-manager with xfce4-task-manager, replaced totem movie player with parole
[00:45] <charlie-tca> upgraded xfce4 to 4.6.2
[00:45] <Kurdistan> thats it?
[00:46] <charlie-tca> that's a lot for just a couple of developers to do
[00:46] <Kurdistan> :) ok
[00:47] <Kurdistan> so upgrading xfce is no more bug-free?
[00:47] <charlie-tca> For me, it is bug free
[00:47] <charlie-tca> I am running maverick
[00:49] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca be honest is it much better then xubuntu lucid?
[00:49] <Kurdistan> xubuntu was fast when I tried and liked the control center
[00:50] <Kurdistan> but the network manager
[00:50] <Sysi> lucid is LTS. recommendable
[00:50] <Kurdistan> applet did come up late
[00:50] <Kurdistan> everything in the desktop was running but network-applet did take alot more time
[00:50] <charlie-tca> If you are happy with 10.04, there is no reason to upgrade. Just install xfburn to replace brasero, if you want
[00:50] <Kurdistan> I hope that bug is gone
[00:50] <Sysi> propiatary driver?
[00:51] <jrmy> whats the difference between lubuntu and xubuntu?
[00:51] <Kurdistan> sysi you asked me?
[00:51] <Sysi> yes
[00:51] <charlie-tca> That's a good question, jrmy
[00:51] <charlie-tca> jrmy: lubuntu uses lxde and xubuntu uses Xfce
[00:51] <Sysi> !lxde | jrmy
[00:51] <Sysi> ubottu occasionally sucks
[00:52] <charlie-tca> jrmy: Xubuntu is useable right after the installation, with good default applications ready for you
[00:52] <Kurdistan> sysi yes I normally install nvidia closed drivers
[00:52] <Sysi> Kurdistan: i ment for wifi
[00:53] <jrmy> lol
[00:53] <Kurdistan> sysi I dont really remenber
[00:53] <Kurdistan> was long time ago I tried xubuntu
[00:53] <Kurdistan> would that make any difference?
[00:53] <Sysi> afaik that can't slow down nm-applet
[00:54] <Kurdistan> :) I need wifi for my laptop
[00:54] <Sysi> there might be open driver now
[00:55] <Sysi> i doubt a bit if half year is long time
[00:57] <Kurdistan> sysi I think maverick, you can choose propiatary drivers during installation
[00:57] <Kurdistan> thats good
[00:57] <Kurdistan> many things will work out of box
[00:58] <Kurdistan> like I said before I hope network applet will not be slove in maverick
[00:58] <Kurdistan> dont remenber really but I think xubuntu use wicd?
[00:58] <charlie-tca> nope
[00:59] <Kurdistan> wicd is slow
[00:59] <charlie-tca> xubuntu uses whatever Ubuntu uses. That way, we don't have to have separate developers to maintain it
[01:00] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca still, wicd is slow
[01:00] <escape_code> Jumping in...  I play with different types of Linux.  The xfce desktop environment works for me quite well.  The two workstation Linux versions I use predominantly are puppylinux and xubuntu.  My opinion, puppylinux is great for it's size and intuitive "control panel" interface.  People on the puppylinux sites also are extremely friendly and supportive.  xubuntu is much more stable out of the box especially with installing applications.  I give peo
[01:04] <escape_code> queue the cricketts...chirp, chirp
[01:05] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I hope you understand me
[01:16] <Kurdistan> good bye
[01:19] <jrmy> ok whats the difference between a xfce session and a xubuntu session?
[01:19] <jrmy> is one like fail safe mode?
[01:19] <Sysi> nope
[01:20] <jrmy> i read something about a classic xfce session
[01:20] <jrmy> ive never tried xfce session
[01:21] <jrmy> i thought it was just a fail safe mode
[01:23] <jrmy> i think i'll log out and try it
[01:23] <charlie-tca> One is really pretty and one is kind of ugly
[01:29] <Hezy> I've been using Xfburn for a while now, and was very happy with it. However, I just found it fails to create an audio CD. Brasero fails too, so I installed Gnome Burner and it works fine.
[01:29] <Hezy> anyone here had similar issues?
[01:32] <jrmy> well xfce session is different
[01:32] <jrmy> im thinking of trying lubuntu next
[01:32] <kirill> hello
[01:33] <kirill> may be somebody knew what is this - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic/arch/x86/Makefile:81: stack protector enabled but no compiler support?
[01:34] <jrmy> charlie-tca: did you just get kirill's Q?
[01:35] <jrmy> i assume not since you left just after he asked
[01:35] <kirill> there in xubuntu was absent build i install kernel headers
[01:35] <kirill> then try to make and got alot of errors
[01:36] <kirill> how i can install normal kernel to use command - make?
[01:37] <charlie-tca> no, I got lost
[01:38] <kirill> oh my problem cant be solved
[01:38] <charlie-tca> I am sure it can be solved, but we might not know the answer right now
[01:39] <kirill> all make tools is absent in xubuntu how i an see, but it all included in ubuntu, so i cant uderstand why xubuntu gods delete it from his system
[01:40] <kirill> if u change windows why u delete another parts of system?
[01:40] <charlie-tca> It takes resources to install all the stuff, when it is not needed by most people. However, if it is installed in Ubuntu, you can install it in Xubuntu
[01:40] <charlie-tca> Why do we need all that stuff? We don't have openoffice installed either.
[01:40] <kirill> but i cant uderstand how i can install it?
[01:40] <kirill> i just need install drivers
[01:40] <kirill> from viaarena
[01:41] <kirill> for my video
[01:41] <charlie-tca> You can open synaptic Package Manager and install everything listed, if you want.
[01:41] <kirill> there only for nvidia ati
[01:41] <kirill> openchrome very bad
[01:41] <kirill> i have normal drivers from viaarena
[01:41] <kirill> all ok on ubuntu
[01:41] <kirill> but ubuntu very slov on my laptop
[01:42] <kirill> i install xubuntu and cant install drivers
[01:42] <kirill> cose buial was absent
[01:42] <charlie-tca> Have you read this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[01:42] <kirill> i install kernel headers and got build but still got error when use - make
[01:42] <charlie-tca> there is also google
[01:43] <kirill> there is normal drivers from via for ubuntu 10
[01:43] <charlie-tca> I think that is enough complaint about Xubuntu not doing what YOU want. Please google now for answers
[01:44] <jrmy> i wonder if lubuntu is better for em
[01:44] <jrmy> i really have no idea about lubuntu though
[01:44] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu removes even more than Xubuntu
[01:44] <jrmy> i see
[01:44] <jrmy> im thinking my desktop might need lubuntu
[01:45] <kirill> how i can install full ubuntu with xfce?
[01:45] <charlie-tca> It might be. There is also puppy linux, that I hear is good
[01:45] <charlie-tca> !ubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <jrmy> yeah.. puppy loads into the ram or something liek that.. so its much faster
[01:45] <Hezy> kirill: just install ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop
[01:46] <charlie-tca> kirill: If you installed Xubuntu, you can install from a terminal - sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:46] <kirill> hmm senk u i try
[01:46] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[01:46] <kirill> bye
[01:46] <jrmy> if he's talking about having both seperatly
[01:47] <jrmy> separately*
[01:47] <kirill> i need files from ubuntubut with xubuntu desktop
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Puppy can be very fast, but may have limited functionality for people that need a GUI
[01:47] <jrmy> bad for games then?
[01:47] <Hezy> kirill, I used to have xubuntu on top of regular ubuntu. it works very well
[01:48] <charlie-tca> kirill: then you do the command I gave you. You can then choose xubuntu or ubuntu desktop when starting
[01:49] <jrmy> man.. my desktop is still installing xubuntu
[01:49] <jrmy> its been like an hour
[01:49] <jrmy> :/
[01:49] <charlie-tca> jrmy: you got kind of a slow machine there
[01:49] <kirill> on my laptop ubuntu very slov
[01:50] <jrmy> 900MHz processor, 256MB ram 4MB vram
[01:50] <kirill> i dont need ubuntu i  need files to install drivers
[01:50] <charlie-tca> You still do not have the right to come in here and complain about the same thing when we try to help you
[01:51] <jrmy> i am so mad i messed up my 32MB video card
[01:51] <charlie-tca> I already told you , you will need to check on the chrome site to see what to do now. I also gave you a wiki page you can read that helps to install what you want.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> jrmy: how?
[01:51] <kirill> i try it now
[01:52] <kirill> i read opencrome page and try
[01:52] <jrmy> well when i originally installed it into the pci slot i didnt notice that the board was being slighty bent
[01:52] <jrmy> eventually it came loose and i noticed a lack of color
[01:52] <charlie-tca> ouch
[01:52] <jrmy> yeah...
[01:53] <jrmy> but oh well
[01:54] <charlie-tca> hmm, well, 10.10 will no longer support the old nvidia 96 and 173 drivers, so ...
[01:56] <kirill> yes i found and all ok senk u very mutch
[01:56] <kirill> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:56] <kirill> yes!!!!!!!!
[01:56] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:02] <charlie-tca> Well, got that one fixed up afterall
[02:05] <kirill> yes there was 500 frames in mesautils now 1300
[02:07] <kirill> senk u bye
[02:07] <jrmy> grrr.. taking a long time still
[02:07] <jrmy> maybe it'll be done next in the next hour lol
[02:35] <jrmy> man.. still at 95%
[02:35] <charlie-tca> still? not "already" ?
[02:37] <jrmy> its been running dpkg for the past half hour
[02:38] <jrmy> i think being in try before install causes it to be slower
[02:39] <charlie-tca> It does, sometimes
[02:39] <jrmy> i do remember this part taking awhile when i installed ubuntu last
[02:40] <jrmy> well i'll be happy when it is over
[02:42] <jrmy> its hard deciding on a specific distro
[02:42] <jrmy> whooo hoo finally past that part
[02:42] <jrmy> (the installation)
[02:44] <jrmy> any idea what other distros are light like puppy, xubuntu and lubuntu?
[02:44] <jrmy> also excluding dsl
[02:45] <jrmy> and or including
[02:46] <jrmy> and or run on older pc's
[02:46] <charlie-tca> http://www.junauza.com/2009/07/5-fast-and-lightweight-linux-distros.html
[02:46] <charlie-tca> Takes that page a long time to load
[02:46] <jrmy> sorry im not thinking to much right now, kinda tired
[02:46] <jrmy> heh
[02:48] <jrmy> i do have cable
[02:48] <jrmy> 6megs a sec
[02:53] <charlie-tca> heh, lucky me. I have a whole 1.2mb/s
[02:54] <charlie-tca> had 700 a few months ago, but when I moved...
[02:58] <jrmy> is xubuntu suppose to be slow at first?
[02:58] <charlie-tca> yes
[02:58] <jrmy> just making sure
[02:58] <charlie-tca> The first boot takes a few minutes. the next one is much faster
[02:59] <jrmy> taking a while to load thats for sure
[03:00] <jrmy> i assume it sets everything up
[03:01] <jrmy> btw is there a shortcut key to make the applications menu pop up?
[03:02] <jrmy> T_T now for updates.. i hate this part
[03:03] <jrmy> i forgot that xchat came preinstalled with xubuntu, i liek that part
[03:28] <knolls> I installed xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-server and now when i reboot it doesn't open grub and goes straight to memtest86
[03:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, that's all from me for tonight. See you tomorrow - 10.10.10
[03:42] <jrmy> bye bye
[03:47] <jrmy> would it update faster if i put it in tty mode?
[03:48] <jrmy> or does a the GUI have to be displaying?
[03:48] <jrmy> right now its installing, aka down downloading
[05:44] <jrmy> ok im trying to use giolo to connect my computers but the ssh thing in gigolo isnt working
[05:45] <jrmy> i installed ssh on both
[05:45] <jrmy> one says failed to verify host key
[05:45] <jrmy> or something
[05:45] <jrmy> what am i doing wrong?
[05:46] <jrmy> and the other can connect but i cant seem to access any folders
[05:46] <moetunes> !ssh
[05:47] <PhillyP> o/
[05:55] <jrmy> is there another way to connect
[05:55] <jrmy> ?
[05:55] <jrmy> even after trying something different it still isnt working
[05:56] <moetunes> I just do in terminal  ssh serverIP
[05:56] <jrmy> oh
[05:57] <jrmy> ok what does host key verification fail mean?
[05:57] <jrmy> how do i fix this?
[05:58] <moetunes> see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[05:58] <moetunes> I don't use the key bit as ssh here is limited to the lan
[06:02] <jrmy> maybe someone is accessing my files right now
[06:02] <jrmy> i never set up a key
[06:02] <jrmy> i did change the other computers os just a little while ago
[06:02] <moetunes> the server might be set up to accept keys tho
[06:02] <jrmy> but i dont know if that makes a difference
[06:03] <jrmy> im about ready to say **** ssh
[06:03] <jrmy> any other way to connect the 2 computers with xubuntu?
[06:03] <moetunes> just go through the wiki
[06:03] <jrmy> i dont have time for this
[06:04] <moetunes> ssh is the best/easiest/safest way
[06:04] <jrmy> if its that much of a problem i'll just transfer the file with my flash drive
[06:04] <moetunes> you could use ftp to transfer files - or netcat
[06:04] <jrmy> im already up an hour later then im suppose to
[06:05] <moetunes> trying to learn a new process with a time limit is bound to cause stress
[06:10] <jrmy> let me guess one computer has ssh the other has openssh-server
[06:10] <jrmy> ?
[06:10] <jrmy> yes?
[06:10] <moetunes> yes - sshd it is called
[06:11] <jrmy> so the one im connecting with i sudo apt-get install ssh, the one im connecting to sudo apt-get openssh-server
[06:11] <jrmy> install*
[06:11] <moetunes> yep
[06:12] <moetunes> all ubuntus come with the ssh client as default afaik
[06:16] <jrmy> you know what screw this
[06:16] <jrmy> i cant figure it out
[06:16] <jrmy> this is bs
[06:46] <jrmy> ok i did it
[06:46] <jrmy> took me long enough to figure it out
[06:46] <jrmy> the stupid wiki didnt help
[06:47] <jrmy> thank God for common sense
[06:47] <moetunes> heh - common sense is all too rare tho...
[06:47] <moetunes> well done jrmy
[06:48] <jrmy> thanks
[06:48] <jrmy> i suppose
[06:48] <jrmy> sorry for whining
[06:48] <jrmy> i usually do that before i figure it out
[06:48] <jrmy> lol
[06:48] <moetunes> it's fine - there is a learning process involved in using new apps - and it can be frustrating
[06:49] <jrmy> yeah
[06:51] <jrmy> i wonder if i should just use my desktop as a server
[06:51] <jrmy> i dont even use it anymore really
[06:51] <jrmy> though it has only a 20gb hdd
[06:51] <moetunes> some folk do for nfs and ssh and others
[06:53] <jrmy> kinda strange my cd burner hasnt figured out that i put a blank disc in it
[06:54] <moetunes> nothing to read on the disk - if you mean in the file manager
[06:54] <jrmy> unless its normal for it to keep spinning
[06:54] <moetunes> prob not
[06:55] <jrmy> seems to be burning no problem w/e
[06:55] <moetunes> k
[06:55] <jrmy> yep i gonna see what debian is like now
[06:56] <jrmy> heck i could install a bunch of os' on the hdd
[06:56] <moetunes> not with just 20gb
[06:56] <jrmy> is it hard to remove them though?
[06:56] <moetunes> just a reformat needed
[06:56] <jrmy> k
[06:57] <moetunes> and an update to grub
[06:57] <jrmy> i thought grub2 worked out of the box
[06:57] <moetunes> it does - but it needs updating if you change things natch
[06:59] <jabo5360> Good aftenoon all
[07:00] <jabo5360> can anyone help, after updating xubuntu this morning to 2.6.32.24 I have no GUI
[07:02] <jabo5360> except if I boot into the old 2.6.32.21
[07:03] <moetunes> do you get the login screen at all?
[07:03] <jrmy> isnt a version that old no longer supported?
[07:04] <moetunes> it's not really that old
[07:04] <jrmy> well ok
[07:04] <jrmy> i suppose im a pretty new user
[07:04] <jabo5360> no login screen just CL login
[07:06] <moetunes> it wasn't the recovery option you selected by mistake?
[07:06] <jabo5360> no not at all
[07:06] <jabo5360> did try using the recovery option but to no avail though
[07:06] <moetunes> k - next - are you using prorietry divers for the graphics?
[07:07] <jabo5360> yes the recommended Nvidia driver from the update manager
[07:07] <jrmy> wait i have 2.6.32.25?
[07:07] <jrmy> im confused
[07:07] <jrmy> whats the 10.04 about then?
[07:08] <jabo5360> 10.04 is the release and the 2.6.32.24 is the kernel
[07:09] <jrmy> ah.. kernel.. stuff i dont quite understand yet
[07:09] <jrmy> 2.6.32.25 is grub2?
[07:09] <jabo5360> moetunes, should i perhaps disable the Nvidia driver?
[07:09] <moetunes> jabo5360:  it might not have built the module for the new kernel
[07:10] <jrmy> grub is the kernel right?
[07:10] <jabo5360> no grub is the boot loader to choose which OS you want to boot into
[07:10] <moetunes> jabo5360:  if it was last boot that you tried the new kernel you could check /var/log/Xorg.1.log  to see what happened
[07:10]  * jrmy is so lost
[07:11] <moetunes> jrmy:  grub lets you choose stuff at boot - the kernel is what interracts with the hardware
[07:12] <jabo5360> nothing there
[07:12] <jabo5360> gonna try disable Nvidia driver if no work I'll be back
[07:13] <moetunes> jabo5360:  you could boot into the new kernel - login and type   startx   to see errors
[07:13] <jrmy> just a little late
[07:13] <moetunes> a little...
[07:16] <jrmy> well i thought debian would be a live cd
[07:16] <jrmy> guess not
[07:17] <jrmy> i dont know if i'll like it
[07:17] <moetunes> debian is pretty basic that way - there is a live cd option I believe but it is not the standard debianoption
[07:19] <jrmy> well i'll install it
[07:19] <jrmy> if i dont like it i'll reformat
[07:19] <moetunes> it's a little diff - it has a root user
[07:19] <moetunes> as admin
[07:21] <jrmy> well who knows if i'll like it
[07:21] <moetunes> only 1 way to find out :]
[07:22] <jrmy> so then how do i use the admin thing apposed to xubuntu?
[07:23] <moetunes> most change to a tty with ctrl+alt+F2 and login as root and do admin stuff from the terminal there
[07:23] <jrmy> so no sudo thing?
[07:24] <moetunes> I'm sure it could be installed
[07:24] <moetunes> but then it would need stting up I suppose
[07:24] <moetunes> *setting
[07:25] <jrmy> i wonder whats going on with jabo5360
[07:25] <moetunes> it's hard to see from here :]
[07:25] <jrmy> heh
[07:26] <moetunes> he'll come back if he needs to
[07:27] <jrmy> i think i understand the root thing
[07:28] <moetunes> it's not hard - but like all things it takes some practise
[07:38] <jrmy> what i do like about debian at this point is selecting a mirror for files.. which i was able to choose MSU which is about 6 miles east of me
[07:38] <jrmy> :]
[07:38] <jrmy> but i dont know if it is for repository or for basic files
[07:39] <moetunes> I don't know about the debian repos at all
[07:40] <jrmy> mayhap i find out
[07:41] <jrmy> lol @ my old english.. i dont even know if i used that word correctly
[07:41] <moetunes> I'm sure you will if it is installing
[07:41] <jrmy> indubitably
[07:41] <moetunes> heh
[07:41] <jrmy> lol that word is awesome
[07:41] <jrmy> i had to use a spell checker however
[07:41] <moetunes> it's fun to say :]
[07:42] <jrmy> yep
[07:54] <hydrozii> hello does anybody know why my banshee media player is closing as soon as i open it suddenly?
[07:55] <hydrozii> its really annoying and i don't know why its doing this...
[07:56] <moetunes> best way to check is to open it from the terminal to catch any errors
[07:58] <hydrozii> does this mean anything to you?
[07:58] <hydrozii> Unhandled Exception: Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteException: The database disk image is malformed
[07:58] <hydrozii> database disk image is malformed
[07:58] <hydrozii>   at Mono.Data.Sqlite.Sqlite3.Reset (Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteStatement stmt) [0x00000]
[07:58] <hydrozii>   at Mono.Data.Sqlite.Sqlite3.Step (Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteStatement stmt) [0x00000]
[07:58] <hydrozii>   at Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteCommand.ExecuteNonQuery () [0x00000]
[07:58] <hydrozii>   at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteCommand:ExecuteNonQuery ()
[07:58] <hydrozii>   at Hyena.Data.Sqlite.HyenaSqliteCommand.Execute (Hyena.Data.Sqlite.HyenaSqliteConnection hconnection, Mono.Data.Sqlite.SqliteConnection connection) [0x00000]
[07:59] <moetunes> seems the database banshee uses is borked - and
[07:59] <moetunes> !paste
[08:00] <moetunes> maybe check banshee website/forum on that
[08:02] <hydrozii> for some reason i cant get on their website...
[08:02] <hydrozii> idk if its something wrong with my connection
[08:02] <moetunes> hard for me to see from here ... :]
[08:03] <hydrozii> lol yah
[08:03] <hydrozii> can you get to banshee.fm?
[08:03] <jrmy> i use paste2.org
[08:03] <moetunes> I don't use banshee
[08:04] <hydrozii> ok but can you get to their website?
[08:04] <hydrozii> you know what? screw it.... what media player do you use?
[08:05] <moetunes> Rock out with Banshee 1.8 - is main heading on the website so yep it works
[08:05] <hydrozii> now i try it and it works
[08:06] <moetunes> I'm old school and use xmms - not in the repos
[08:06] <hydrozii> does it sort your music and rename it with the right names for you?
[08:06] <moetunes> I don't want that - one reason I use xmms
[08:07] <moetunes> database using mediaplayers are horrible bloat in my opinion - like I said I'm old school
[08:08] <hydrozii> i guess.. but when banshee sorted my files that i downloaded automatically it was pretty nice
[08:23] <jrmy> ok debian is done installing
[08:27] <jrmy> well debian is ok but i dont care for it
[08:28] <moetunes> you need to add all that you want to it
[08:29] <jrmy> not to much different from ubuntu
[08:29] <jrmy> im thinkin xubuntu is what i want
[08:29] <moetunes> well ubuntu is based on debian unstable
[08:34] <jrmy> ok whats the command to get flash player
[08:34] <jrmy> ?
[08:35] <moetunes> !flash
[08:35] <moetunes> flash-plugin-installer from apt i think it is
[08:36] <jrmy> ok
[08:36] <jrmy> since im not using ubuntu i think that link is useless
[08:36] <moetunes> it would be - there is #debian
[08:36] <jrmy> sorry should of asked the guys in #debian first
[08:37] <jrmy> yeah
[10:45] <jrmy> done with debian
[11:36] <sladen> http://xubuntu.org/news/10.10-release  (linked to in the release notes) is 404
[11:40] <moetunes> yep it is page not found here too
[11:40]  * travkin waits for Xubuntu 10.10
[11:40] <moetunes> knome:  ^^
[11:45] <travkin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/maverick/release/
[11:45] <travkin> ^^
[11:45] <kaolbrec> \o/
[11:47] <kaolbrec> It's gonna be a while till seeds are up then :(
[11:47] <kaolbrec> I'd rather torrent it
[11:47] <moetunes> always takes a while
[11:48] <kaolbrec> I just assumed they had the ability to seed it from a server, or their own boxes
[11:48] <kaolbrec> Seems like it would be a good idea
[11:49] <sladen> kaolbrec: we used to IIRC -> file bug
[11:49] <sladen> kaolbrec: (but there's no "them" and "us"... only "we"!)
[11:49] <travkin> .ISO uploaded
[11:50] <kaolbrec> sladen, oops. Forgot about -offtopic
[11:54] <sladen> kaolbrec: no, lack of seeds is a valid point
[11:55] <kaolbrec> I'll just have to wait.
[11:55] <knome> charlie-tca, http://xubuntu.org/news/10.10-release is 404
[11:56] <rip-e|utv> hi
[13:04] <smoo> is the final 10.10 xubuntu release already out ?
[13:04] <moetunes> yep
[13:05] <smoo> nice, thanks
[13:05] <Orffen> You can get it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[13:05] <Orffen> I don't think the official site has any download links on it yet
[13:06] <smoo> no, it hasn't
[13:06] <smoo> that's why I asked, bit confusing
[13:06] <smoo> is there a .torrent mirror so I can seed ?
[13:06] <smoo> found it, sorry
[13:07] <Orffen> That link has the .torrent files :)
[13:11] <Riotta> hello
[13:11] <Riotta> today was released ubuntu 10.10 when gonna be released xubuntu 10.10 I can't find any release schedule for xubuntu on ubuntu wiki?
[13:12] <moetunes> You can get it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[13:12] <travkin> Xubuntu 10.10 is already released, just information on official website (xubuntu.org) is not updated yet.
[13:12] <travkin> Just check out http://releases.ubuntu.com
[13:12] <smoo> maybe someone should change the topic :)
[13:12] <Riotta> ah
[13:13] <Riotta> okay thanks
[13:36] <Mat_Matan> hello, where i can find xubuntu 10.10 instaled apps and extensions list?
[13:39] <Riotta> packages.ubuntu.com is closest thing you get
[13:40] <Riotta> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/allpackages?format=txt.gz
[13:46] <Mat_Matan> Riotta: big thx
[13:52] <rip-e|utv> i was thinking, i am under 9.10, i can go to 10.10 without 10.04 ?
[13:52] <charlie-tca> correct
[13:52] <rip-e|utv> ty
[14:00] <charlie-tca> nop
[14:00] <charlie-tca> no
[14:00] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I mis-read that. You must go through each version
[14:10] <Sysi> lolz, my alpha-updated maverick works great
[14:13] <Kurdistan> guys when will xubuntu release maverick stable?
[14:13] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[14:13] <charlie-tca> it is released
[14:14] <Kurdistan> not according to xubuntu.org
[14:14] <Sysi> it's not updated
[14:14] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final
[14:14] <Sysi> irc > website
[14:15] <charlie-tca> The release took place at 10:10 UTC time, the person that will do the website updates was not awake
[14:15] <Kurdistan> haha I see :)
[14:26] <Kurdistan> thx guys
[14:31] <rip-e|utv> oh ok charlie, so i will do it, ty np
[14:32] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:27] <kangaroooo> hello xubuntu 10.10 will be today?
[15:27] <kangaroooo> iso
[15:28] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final
[15:31] <kangaroooo> Sysi: couse in xubuntu.com theres only RC awailable not latests full.. and that link u gave didnt had download link also but in release notes from that link i found http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ so only webpage should be updated :)
[15:34] <charlie-tca> I just added a link to the release notes
[15:35] <charlie-tca> kangaroooo: you are correct. The website needs to be updated
[15:37] <kangaroooo> ok so after 2h ill install 10.10 xubuntu on andother comp and on one macintorsh ill also try to put xubuntu but in 2boot mode :D
[15:54] <mckillington_> Hello.
[15:55] <mckillington_> Can anybody answer a question I have? I'd like to change my Linux distribution from Ubuntu 10.04, to Xubuntu 10.04. Is there any particular way I should go about this?
[15:56] <moetunes> !purexfce
[15:56] <knome> mckillington_, install the package 'xubuntu-desktop' and you're able to boot to 'xubuntu'
[15:56] <knome> mckillington_, and after that, follow the procedure on the previous link if you want to remove all gnome packages for good
[15:57] <knome> mckillington_, 'all gnome' == 'all ubuntu' :)
[15:57] <mckillington_> Thank you. Should I back up my files, first?
[15:57] <knome> mckillington_, should not be any need for that. it's like installing any package.
[15:57] <knome> mckillington_, of course, if you have something vital, it's always good to have a backup file
[15:58] <mckillington_> Right. I don't have anything important on this computer, it's more for convenience.
[15:58] <mckillington_> Thank you for the advice :)
[15:58] <knome> no problem
[16:14] <ab_> Hello. Is it known when Xubuntu will release its 10.10 release?
[16:15] <moetunes> it is released now
[16:16] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final
[16:18] <ab_> thank you
[16:33] <DoctorPepper> Any idea when the alternate ISO images will become available?
[16:35] <Orffen> They are
[16:35] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:35] <charlie-tca> since they are not on the mirrors yet, grab them at - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[16:35] <Orffen> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ :)
[16:36] <DoctorPepper> Coolness.  Thanks!
[16:39] <DoctorPepper> Man I'm slow... I just figured out that Ubuntu/Xubuntu 10.10 was released on 10/10/10
[16:39] <DoctorPepper> duh!
[17:47] <Aquina> 'lo
[18:00] <Aquina> I'm referring to http://pastebin.com/n9bkjfJc and let you know my employee allowed me to host something and also put in a server into the employee-rack (just for me/us) which is awsome. UNFORTUNATELY they only allow to use theses systems for OURSELVES (compile, host, do wahtever we want to) for security and economic reasons. Thus hosting Xubuntu to the public is not allowed. :-( I'm sorry.. I tried hard!
[18:00] <Cityscape> When will Xubuntu 10.10 be released?
[18:02] <Sysi> *was
[18:02] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[18:22] <belak> Might want to change the topic.
[18:48] <mark76> Has anyone else been experiencing problems with the terminal since upgrading?
[18:50] <raevol> no xubuntu 10.10 yet? :[
[18:53] <TheSheep> mark76: yes, set your TERM environment variable
[18:53] <mark76> Erm. How?
[18:54] <TheSheep> export TERM=xterm
[18:55] <mark76> Ta
[18:56] <mark76> Do you have to do it for each terminal installed?
[18:57] <mark76> man nitrogen
[18:57] <mark76> WARNING: terminal is not fully functional
[18:59] <TheSheep> put it in your .bashrc
[18:59] <TheSheep> or somethin
[19:00] <TheSheep> normally the terminal app should be setting it, but it's broken
[19:00] <mark76> Ah right
[19:02] <mark76> Do I need to put fi at the top and bottom of it?
[19:04] <sebuba> Hello, does anyone know when they go to the 10:10 of xubuntu?
[19:05] <Sysi> 10.10 UTC
[19:05] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[19:05] <TheSheep> Sysi: that's like 8h ago?
[19:06] <Sysi> TheSheep: yup
[19:06] <Sysi> they really should update that website
[19:06] <TheSheep> they?
[19:07] <Sysi> people responsible about it
[19:07] <sebuba> http://www.xubuntu.com/ nothin yet ...still with version 10.4
[19:08] <Sysi> that's why it should be updated
[19:08] <sebuba> know how to update via apt-get/
[19:08] <sebuba> know how to update via apt-get?
[19:10] <Sysi> do-release-upgrade -d iirc
[19:10] <Sysi> (iirc for if i remember correctly)
[19:12] <sebuba> cool
[19:12] <sebuba> thanks Sysi
[19:19] <bferguson> I'm about to format a memory card with GParted, using Xubuntu probably a recent version with Xfce, wondering what file system would be best
[19:19] <bferguson> probably ext3 right?
[19:27] <bferguson> I'm about to format a memory card with GParted, I'm using Xubuntu with Xfce on a netbook (Acer Aspire One)
[19:27] <bferguson> wondering what file system would be best to format in, probably ext3 right?
[19:27] <bferguson> one website suggested fat 16 but I'm a bit wary
[19:29] <bferguson> anybody there?
[19:31] <mark76> Yes
[19:31] <bferguson> using Ubuntu 10.04 lucid apparently
[19:31] <mark76> But don't ask me for advice on file systems
[19:32] <bferguson> no?
[19:33] <Sysi> if you want to use it on camera or windows machine, fat16 or fat32
[19:33] <bferguson> anybody here who can give advice on that?
[19:33] <bferguson> fat16 or 32 will mean it can work elsewhere
[19:33] <Sysi> if ext-something, linux only
[19:34] <bferguson> good I'll take that into consideration
[19:34] <bferguson> thank you
[19:35] <bferguson> I'm also looking at trying to get this thing to access my microsoft network, reading about Samba and SMB mostly just fo
[19:35] <bferguson> for entertainment purposes
[19:36] <bferguson> I really love my operating system on this unit by the way
[19:37] <bferguson> thanks Sysi
[19:39] <bferguson> the art is to keep it small as i'm also a compulsive dabbler and collector, like to be able to keep files elsewhere
[19:39] <bferguson> but I'll get back to you guys on that
[19:39] <bferguson> thanks again
[19:40] <owen1> is xubuntu not part of the offical ubuntu anymore? where is the iso for 10.10+
[19:40] <owen1> ?
[19:41] <Sysi>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[19:44] <bferguson> would the new release run well on this guy (Acer Aspire netbook)?
[19:44] <owen1> Sysi: they should update this page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/
[19:46] <owen1> Sysi: how did u find this link?
[19:48] <Sysi> it's been in this channel maybe about ten times
[19:48] <Sysi> and i know cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <ramrod_> bferguson, you can also try the kuki linux kernel, its for the aspire one http://www.kuki.me/about/
[19:58] <pli> Hi all! I'm a big xfce fan so I thought I should check out xubuntu. After doing some reading on the xubuntu website and doing some googleing I still haven't found an answer to my question, which is. What's the difference between installing xubuntu and installing normal ubuntu and then selecting xfce as desktop?
[19:59] <Riotta> pli: less bloatware
[19:59] <Riotta> not needed stuff
[19:59] <owen1> pli: the real question is which is lighter - ubuntu netbook edition or xubuntu?
[19:59] <Riotta> like evolution, random gnome stuff, and ubuntu branding/themes etc
[20:00] <pli> I see, but I can still pull some packages from the ubuntu repositories if I want?
[20:00] <owen1> pli: yes
[20:01] <owen1> what is the fastest way to download xubuntu? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/  or maybe torrent?
[20:01] <Riotta> pli: xubuntu and ubuntu use same repositories
[20:02] <pli> Riotta: Ok, so I will by default get ubuntu updates, etc?
[20:02] <Riotta> yes
[20:02] <owen1> yes
[20:02] <pli> Riotta: Great
[20:03] <xGrind> xubuntu 10.10 ?
[20:03] <Riotta> it's the same core of the distro
[20:03] <Riotta> only look and some visual stuff/managers are different/packages
[20:04] <pli> Riotta: Ok, thanks. I will give it a spin.
[20:04] <Riotta> have fun
[20:04] <owen1> pli: the download link is not visible from some reason-
[20:04] <owen1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[20:05] <owen1> not sure why it's not on xubuntu's site yet
[20:05] <Riotta> owen1: and xubuntu is lighter than netbook edition too be honest
[20:06] <Riotta> cause netbook edition uses gnome and fancy graphical menu
[20:06] <owen1> ok
[20:06] <pli> owen1: thanks!
[20:06] <xGrind> owen1; is oficial ?
[20:06] <xGrind> final
[20:06] <owen1> xGrind: i wish i knew. let me ask on ubuntu-dev
[20:07] <bferguson> interesting about Kuki for the Aspire netbook, probably stick with xubuntu for now, but if I get another Aspire might check it out
[20:07] <Riotta> it is official
[20:07] <Riotta> just xubuntu site is not updated
[20:08] <bferguson> thanks ramrod_
[20:14] <owen1> xGrind: i just asked. it looks like they didn't update their site, as Riotta said.
[20:15] <xGrind> i'm using Xubuntu 10.10 ;D
[20:22] <owen1> xGrind: you are quick!
[20:29] <kaolbrec> I've been using Xubuntu 10.10 for 5 hours :D
[21:26] <precog> Hello guys!
[21:27] <precog> Are there anyone?
[21:27] <Sysi> !ask
[21:27] <vinnl> And hi :)
[21:28] <precog> Then... I've just installed xubuntu in an old PC, is Pentimu III 450
[21:28] <precog> Is very fast, and thta's ok...
[21:29] <precog> but I don't know why I can't connect to the LAN of the router
[21:29] <precog> to connect the PC on internet
[21:29] <precog> It seems doesn't work
[21:29] <precog> only sometime
[21:30] <precog> I have also audio problems, and i can't hear anything
[21:30] <precog> Sorry for my bad english
[21:31] <vinnl> !audio
[21:32] <precog> Anyway the configuration of the LAN is ok
[21:32] <precog> I don't know what to do to connect the PC on internet
[21:33] <vinnl> !internet
[21:33] <precog> I tried also with DSL connection, with all correct
[21:33] <vinnl> !lan
[21:33] <precog> parameters
[21:34] <vinnl> Hmm LS
[21:34] <precog> But I don't know why it doesn't work
[21:35] <precog> An another strange thing is when I reboot, often when it load the login, changes the keyboard
[21:35] <precog> when I had set it of my state
[21:36] <precog> !internet
[21:36] <precog> !lan
[21:36] <vinnl> Those don't work :P
[21:37] <precog> I change again the keyboard
[21:37] <vinnl> !network
[21:37] <precog> and it come back of my state
[21:37] <precog> No, isn't a wireless LAN
[21:38] <precog> internet!
[21:40] <precog> No one have suggestion to configure the LAN?
[21:41] <precog> Maybe don't recognize the ethernet?
[21:41] <precog> But it worked sometimes
[21:43] <precog> Ok, if no one answer me, I kill myself... LOL :)
[21:43] <precog> HUAUHAHUAAHUHU
[21:43] <precog> :)
[21:43] <vinnl> precog, you can wait around for a lurker to read your messages
[21:43] <vinnl> (Though the chances of that might be smaller as you've posted so many ;-)
[21:43] <precog> ok vinnl... sorry for my disturb... I'll wait :)
[21:44] <mark76> Did anyone else find an alarm clock in their systray after upgrading to 10.10?
[21:44] <vinnl> :)
[21:46] <kaolbrec> mark76, I did not, but then I didn't upgrade. I clean installed.
[21:47] <mark76> I can't see why that would make any difference. Given that I had no alarm clock installed prior to the upgrade
[22:09] <xGrind> site updated
[22:15] <vinnl> :)
[23:30] <boinkboink> in xubuntu 10.10, is there a way to increase the area over which the mouse cursor may capture an edge of window for resizing? it's kinda like trying to steer an ant by putting your finger in it's way for these shaky old hands, especially when trying to hook on to a corner which seems twice as hard.
[23:30] <boinkboink> :)
[23:50] <mark76> There used to be resize grips