[02:15] hugs all around, belated as they are. Sorry I missed the party [07:42] * superfly is busy upgrading to 10.10, and looks forward to seeing what #kubuntu-devel has been up to the last 6 months :-) === zegenie_ is now known as zegenie === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu 10.10 is out! | Those devs that are hungover, please get something to sober up... for everyone who is not: | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:26] what should I say at my open week talk? [10:29] d/win 15 [10:29] tsk [10:40] Riddell: if you used quassel that would not have happened :P [10:50] apachelogger: really? [10:50] Is there a keystroke combination to change target channels with quassel? [10:51] d/win 2 [10:51] apachelogger: nope, still happens [10:52] lol [10:52] you use the mouse [10:53] there are some keystrokes for channels... can't remember what they are, but I'm sure they are there [10:53] alt+number [10:53] apachelogger: any suggestions as to why my Ubuntu One KDE notifier is not working? [10:53] I think [10:53] What happens when one has > 10 channels? [10:53] oh [10:54] you'd need to set quick access to those [10:54] Maybe something like '/' followed by a double-digit code? [10:54] (specifically, it tells me it's trying to connect, but doesn't get any further) [10:55] well [10:55] there is also alt+up/down to move relative [10:55] * persia stops with the iron-plated featherduster [12:29] Riddell: can we SRU qoauth 1.0.1 ? [12:31] or put it in backports atleast [12:32] shadeslayer: SRUs are only if the diff is readable [12:33] shadeslayer: what's the issue? current version doesn't work at all? [12:33] it works but mtux says repos should really have 1.0.1 [12:34] does mtux say why? [12:36] no ... http://pastebin.ca/1959217 [12:36] he does give a reason as to why we should ship 0.9.90 tho [12:37] 1.0.1 has a new API .... im pretty sure that wont go through [12:39] actually the API is in 1.0, diffing 1.0 and 1.0.1 there's no API change even if the changelog says so [12:40] if there's no actual bugs it sounds like a job for backports [12:42] ok backports then [12:50] Riddell: oh btw i had a chat with Ravi, and TNT is asking for a reference number, do you have one? [12:50] hey guys.. maverick I dont see kde-dev or devel ...renamed? [12:50] cozziemoto: uh its kde-sc-dev-latest now i suppose [12:51] shadeslayer, ah ok let me try that thanks... [12:51] jussi: ubottu needs updating to maverick, still searches for lucid packages :) [12:51] yeah, Ill fix it soon [12:52] ah thanks :D [12:52] shadeslayer: in the mean time, use: !info package maverick [12:52] right :) [12:54] shadeslayer: I don't have a reference number, I e-mailed the shipit people [12:54] thanks! :) [12:55] ill go write a mail to the TNT guy then [12:56] shadeslayer: why would you do that? [12:57] !info bash [12:57] bash (source: bash): The GNU Bourne Again SHell. In component main, is required. Version 4.1-2ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 625 kB, installed size 1212 kB [12:57] shadeslayer: [12:57] Riddell: because they havent released the shipment to my friend yet, so ill ask them whats the exact problem [12:57] jussi: oooh :) [13:05] .... even indian server has slowed down today :( [13:05] * Nightrose shamelessly plugs http://amarok.kde.org/en/roktober/2010 for a sec [13:05] please spread :) [13:05] Roktober! [13:08] Riddell: oh what do you suggest for lucid? release choqok 0.9.90 with qoauth 1.0.1 ? [13:08] or same version as maverick? [13:09] and then put 0.9.90 and qoauth 1.0.1 in lucid backports [13:11] hmm [13:12] same version as maverick in lucid-proposed I guess [13:12] (which may not pass but worth a shot) [13:12] Riddell: oh it passed, pitti said ok [13:12] groovy [13:13] let me know when you have something for me to upload [13:13] he is also ok if we upload 0.9.90 ... [13:13] so its really up to you now, whatever you think is the best :) [13:18] go with 0.9.90 then [13:19] hmm... pitti had some confusion apparently, he thought maverick had 0.9.90 :P [13:19] ( discussing this with him in #ubuntu-devel atm ) [13:22] ok, does someone feel like explaining what "desktop activities" are, and why I have a million of them=? [13:22] jussi: hahaha [13:22] theyre like multiple desktops [13:23] mhm [13:23] just each is independent and can be configured [13:23] +seprately [13:23] so what would I use them for? [13:23] so each has its own widget set and such [13:24] well... you can have 2 activities, Work and Play, Work has all the work stuff open and play has your media player and such [13:24] ( just a example ) [13:26] hrm, they arent very intuitive or explained at all... [13:26] and they dont seem to have anyway of renaming them [13:27] there is [13:27] jussi: go to a activity > right click > desktop settings [13:27] and on the left click activity [13:28] hrmph [13:28] you can also have a netbook activity along with a desktop activity [13:29] perhap right click on the activity when you have the list of activities opne (activity cashew, activities) would be helpful [13:29] Im beginning to understand now, they are sort of like an overlay of widgets. [13:30] how do I add the netbook activity? [13:30] jussi: same activity setting, there are 3-4 options listed there [13:30] afaik its search and containment [13:31] ahh yes. [13:31] interesting [13:32] shadeslayer: on bug 656196 you removed the Hindi symbol from CurrencyUnitSymbols, is that deliberate? [13:32] Launchpad bug 656196 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "add new Indian Rupee Unicode symbol" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656196 [13:33] uh.. no .. that seems to be a mistake [13:34] fixing [13:36] err [13:36] Riddell: the earilier symbol was the old one i think [13:36] thats why i replaced it with the new symbol [13:37] best to keep it though I think, incase there are documents that use the old Hindi one [13:37] earlier it was : CurrencyUnitSymbols=Rs.,रू,INR [13:38] that रू is replaced by the new symbol [13:39] ill keep it [13:39] superfly: oh about u1 - it is called the upstream-broke-compatibility effect, for more info see the associated bug report [13:46] shadeslayer: hmm, this is weird [13:46] your patch has र as the old Hindi symbol [13:46] but the sources have रू [13:46] 0_o [13:47] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/localization/currency/inr.desktop?revision=1177799&view=markup also has रू [13:47] so where did the र come from in your patch and what's the relationship to रू ? [13:47] ill make a new patch hold on, ill keep that रू symbol [13:48] no idea :S [13:49] shadeslayer: after some time the load gone high again, I don't know what could be the problem... [13:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rupee doesn't list either of those Hindi signs, it just mentions 'Devanagari consonant "र"' [13:52] so where did the र come from in your patch and what's the relationship to रू ? [13:53] they have the same base character [13:53] the second one has combining character added [13:53] "DEVANAGARI VOWEL SIGN UU" is what unicode calls it [13:54] yeah रू is called "Roo" and र is "Ra" [13:54] is either used for a Rupee symbol? [13:55] well रू is part of pronouncing Rupee [13:56] i think thats how we write amounts in hindi, रू foo [13:58] apachelogger: oh right, gotcha [14:08] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/tyxcvicG [14:09] shadeslayer: lovely [14:09] also could you commit that to kde? http://pastebin.com/KKm8JYL7 [14:09] please attach to bug 656196 [14:09] Launchpad bug 656196 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "add new Indian Rupee Unicode symbol" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656196 [14:09] yes, im doing that right now :) [14:09] yes will do the upstream commit [14:11] uploaded new debdiff [14:12] committed to trunk [14:12] whee :) [14:15] I'll e-mail release-team and kde-packager too [14:30] I'm happy 10.10 user now. Thank you guys for this one ;D [14:33] sheytan: great! [14:33] shadeslayer: qoauth and choqok uploaded to lucid-proposed, awaiting approval [14:33] Riddell yeah :D [14:33] thanks for getting that done (although it's not complete yet of course) [14:36] Hey, if i have some kubuntu ppas like kubuntu-ppa, or backports for lucid, do i have to remove them and add back for mm? [14:37] sheytan: the upgrade will remove them [14:37] Riddell: whee :D [14:37] you can add them back after the upgrade if you wish [14:37] Riddell i have turn them off before the upgrade :D [14:37] So, i have to remove by hand now and add them back? [14:38] Riddell: natty repos open? :O [14:38] sheytan: Update manager will do that. [14:38] shadeslayer: No [14:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/choqok [14:38] Toolchain upload going on [14:38] ScottK: ^ [14:38] ah right then [14:39] ScottK but as i said. they where off when i upgraded. [14:40] sheytan: I misread what you said. Sorry. [14:40] ScottK no problem, but now i have to remove them, and add again, right? [14:41] sheytan: only add them if there is something you want from them [14:41] Right. [14:43] ok, thank you guys :) [14:43] we've done well with kpk :D [14:43] i really like it now :D [14:45] And danti isn't here to hear about it. [14:45] yeah ^ :( [15:01] ScottK well, he already knows that :D [15:02] Rekonq is veeery fast :D [15:02] nice :D [15:02] OK [15:03] sheytan: awesome :D [15:04] shadeslayer i'm now adding my bookmarks. Will stay with it for a while [15:04] * sheytan is wondering if the new 64bit flash will work with rekonq [15:04] sheytan: hmm... im thinking we need a bookmark migration tool for rekonq [15:04] it does [15:04] shadeslayer you do. [15:05] and tell me how :D [15:05] then you can port your bookmarks from chromium/firefox [15:05] sheytan: itll need to be coded [15:05] i mean, is it enough when i put flash to mozilla folder? [15:05] yes [15:05] ok, thank you :) [15:15] Riddell is Ubuntu Open Week a good time to become a kubuntu member? :D [15:17] shadeslayer when i click on a bookmark using the wheel, much tabs open :D [15:17] why? :D [15:27] sheytan: no, it's a series of talks unrelated to membership [15:49] anyone here with 4.5.2 on 10.10? [15:54] congratulations on the release everyone! [16:04] shadeslayer or anyone around in an hour for the Kubuntu Open Week talk? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu 10.10 is out! | Those devs that are hungover, please get something to sober up... for everyone who is not: | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | Merges! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges [16:11] sheytan: flash works with rekonq [16:11] Here too [16:11] i meant the 64bit ;) [16:12] yes, me too [16:19] ok, thanks :) [16:24] I'll work on Bug 658047. Is there a wiki page that lists procedure / tools to handle pkging with bzr ubuntu/debian only checkouts? [16:25] Launchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658047 [16:25] allee: bzr-buildpackage can do a lot [16:26] but often I just copy over the debian/ directory from bzr to the package, it's as easy as looking up bzr-buildpackage commands sometimes [16:26] Riddell: sorry not this time :( [16:26] shadeslayer: ok [16:26] Riddell: thx. I'll play with it. === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [16:56] ** Kubuntu talk at Ubuntu Open Week in #ubuntu-classroom in 5 minutes [16:57] Riddell: are you giving it? [16:58] maco: unless someone else turns up in the next two minutes [16:58] * maco hides [16:58] * ulysses hides behind maco === felimwhiteley_ is now known as felimwhiteley [17:08] apachelogger: whats a KMimeType::Ptr , i dont understand the api docs [17:53] what is the minimum requirements to join the kubuntu devel team? [17:54] Miritad: Show up and do stuff. [17:54] Riddell: I've figured a ~OK work around for Bug #641712 (it's in the bug). How do we get that into the release notes now? [17:54] Launchpad bug 641712 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641712 [17:55] Miritad: you do have to be good looking though, that's important [17:55] Riddell: yeah, I am ;)\ [17:56] Miritad: excellent, welcome along [17:56] ScottK: it's a wiki page, edit https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes [17:56] Riddell: The main ones aren't though. [17:56] I'll edit that one. [17:57] That gets copied onto ubuntu.com [17:57] shadeslayer: a special pointer type that allows that the same object is hold within multiple scopes, the object will only be deleted once all reference holders are deleted [17:57] ScottK: according to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html the release notes are http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 which forward to that wiki page [17:58] oic [17:58] shadeslayer: say you have instance of class A and you want to it using both an instance of both class B and class C and it is not clear if B or C needs to delete the object, both will do so, however the actual deletion will only be carried out if both have done so [17:58] Riddell: OK. Thanks. [17:59] Miritad: what sort of a person are you likely to be? a packager, triager, documenter, coder, artist, html-er...? [17:59] apachelogger: got it [17:59] k [17:59] Riddell: artist, wikier [17:59] oh artist is already there :P [18:00] Riddel: a 17-year-old boy, IOI medalist, and coder [18:00] we could dowith some wikiers, our wiki pages have plenty of holes [18:00] Quintasan: you have competition :P [18:01] Miritad: what's an IOI medalist? [18:01] me too .. but then im almost 20 now :S [18:01] Miritad: What languages do you have experience with? [18:02] Riddell: International Olympiad in Informatics. I speak C/C++ natively, and most of my experience is in algorithms [18:02] golly [18:03] Riddell: thank you; great session :) [18:05] * apachelogger is famous now \\o/ [18:05] * apachelogger hugs Riddell [18:05] apachelogger: whatcha do? :D [18:05] also [18:06] shadeslayer: jr mentioned me in his session ^^ [18:06] oic [18:06] apachelogger: i thought you had a blog, thats why you were famous :P [18:06] that old thing is only for when I am in a flame mood ;) [18:07] ohh [18:07] battery is running low [18:07] omg [18:07] btw, suppose i want to pass what KMimeType::findByUrl() to KMimeType::name(), how do i do that? [18:07] not so fast! [18:07] tell me that :P [18:12] meh nvm [18:15] yay, we made the dot http://dot.kde.org/2010/10/11/plasma-mobile-technology-preview-features-kubuntu-1010 [18:15] those guys are far more harsh in what they will publish than when I was the only editor [18:16] whee [19:11] shadeslayer: did you figure it out? [19:11] * apachelogger got cut off by some very weird bug [19:11] yes, sort of [19:11] one sec [19:11] ScottK: did you ever get a grey screen on your netbook, looking like a window background drawn all over the screen [19:12] with alt+tab being disfunct [19:12] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/aa9jfw8n [19:12] that makes this appear http://imagebin.ca/view/puOba3.html [19:12] * apachelogger is not sure but suspects it could be something Xish [19:12] apachelogger: Sounds like plasma failed to start. [19:12] on clicking magnet links [19:12] ScottK: no in session [19:12] Oh. [19:12] why switching between windows [19:12] s/why/while [19:12] Nope. [19:12] ok [19:13] * apachelogger needs to look into that [19:13] very nasty, I only got rid of it by restarting X [19:13] apachelogger: any ideas why it doesnt load the application? [19:13] based on contents of URL [19:13] shadeslayer: is that a valid magnet url? [19:14] considering it does not have a double slash after the magnet: [19:14] apachelogger: yes, also apt:rekonq wont work now, brings up same dialog [19:14] no its a magnet:?foo link [19:14] well [19:14] running by name might be a bit fishy to begin with [19:14] IMHO [19:15] running by name? [19:15] shadeslayer: also for the sake of correctness, you really should use a KMimeType::Ptr type rather than KSharedPtr [19:15] shadeslayer: I gather you Krun the url by the name of the mimetype, no? [19:17] ok first issue fixed, still dont understand what you mean by 2nd issue [19:18] http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKSycocaEntry.html#ad4bec37ac129fe86b3eae0b3a8cbd643 [19:19] right, that name() call? [19:19] well, what does it return? [19:19] mimetype? [19:19] is that actually the mimetype name? [19:19] shadeslayer: are you sure about that? [19:20] er, i think so [19:20] considering it does not work I would not be sure about that... ;) [19:20] :) [19:20] so what *does* name() return? [19:21] well gdb it [19:21] or add a kDebug() [19:23] rekonq(22115): couldn't create slave: "Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'apturl %u'. << something relevant? [19:24] hmm .. no [19:26] Where is the ppa for the Ubuntu One KDE stuff? [19:27] apachelogger: damn, i cant get the output of that var [19:27] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/9vAsajQr [19:28] stupid frigging chromium [19:33] heh.. i dont believe it, i actually like the menubar in konqueror :S [19:34] :P [19:34] apachelogger: doesnt mean im switching sides :P [19:35] anyways, whats the problem with name()? i cant seem to get the debug value out of it [19:35] kdebugdialog [19:36] right [19:39] application/octet-stream [19:39] rekonq(24264) ProtocolHandler::preHandling: OMG values here "application/octet-stream" [19:39] hmm [19:40] apachelogger: seems fine to me... whats the problem? [19:40] thats from apt:rekonq [19:40] the problem is that you are handling by mimetype rather than protocol I suppose? [19:40] the name itself seems to be fine [19:40] shadeslayer: how does konqueror do it? [19:40] apachelogger: couldnt find out [19:41] you did not make your homework :P [19:41] someone else found it :P [19:41] using only one grepy :P [19:41] thats what im using [19:41] but the keyword makes all the difference [19:42] how [19:42] about [19:42] proto [19:43] in src/konqmainwindow.cpp ? [19:43] ./src/konqmainwindow.cpp: url = KParts::BrowserRun::makeErrorUrl(KIO::ERR_UNSUPPORTED_PROTOCOL, url.protocol(), url.url()); [19:43] sounds righty [19:43] well [19:43] well that line there does not sound right since it seems to go for unsupported proto :P [19:43] which for that matter would also be useful I suppos [19:43] e [19:47] apachelogger: theres a whole bunch of code that i think handles that stuff, but idk where it ends :P [19:47] and that my dear minion is the homework :P [19:47] shadeslayer: it is not so much a question of where it ends than what it does [19:48] in particular what it does that you need to do too in rekonq [19:48] openUrl() will that help me? [19:49] OTOH I always was in favor of using konqueror with the webkit kpart since that cuts off all those silly issues of a new browser :P [19:49] shadeslayer: possibly [19:52] apachelogger: btw konqueror is broken while opening magnet links too [19:52] more likely the protocol file is bogus [19:53] Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: [19:53] klauncher said: Error loading 'ktorrent '%u''. [19:53] . [19:54] see [19:54] now that is wrong [19:55] that ''%u'' is surely the problem there [19:55] oh yes [19:55] i figured that bit out ;) [19:58] aha! Exec=ktorrent %i -caption "%c" %u [19:58] see right there [19:58] that needs to be fixed in ktorrent.desktop i bet [19:58] Exec=ktorrent %i -caption "%c" ? [19:59] apachelogger: ^ [19:59] eh? [19:59] why? [19:59] whut? [19:59] ktorrent.desktop [20:00] not sure what you are getting at here [20:00] maybe it doesnt load because it has that %u there? [20:00] the desktop file aint got nothing to do with the protocol [20:00] the Exec in the protcol defines the binary, not the desktop file name [20:01] so upon execution of the protocol Exec line it will expand %u and run the first ktorrent binary it can find in PATH with the expanded %u [20:20] Nightrose: butterfly butterfly butterfly [20:20] apachelogger: honey honey honey pink pony? [20:21] they've developed a new language! [20:21] Nightrose: unicorn fart! [20:21] rororororroktober \o/ [20:21] \o/ [20:21] you know, that thing is almost as old as my life in FLOSS ;) [20:22] :P [20:22] rbelem: you made it onto KDE Dot News! [20:22] well your work did [20:22] rbelem's work is famous now \o/ [20:24] :-D [20:24] \o/ [20:25] oh oh, so I was doing my maths homework and got overwhelmed by unicorns [20:25] sqrt(192) = rainbows [20:25] * apachelogger hopes that is about right and hugs Nightrose [20:26] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [20:26] apachelogger: i'm sure it is [20:26] * rbelem is checking the kde dot news :-) [20:26] yay [20:29] apachelogger: actually krunner begs to differ :P [20:29] shoot [20:30] wohooo!!! :-D [20:30] yeeehaaaa [20:30] krunner says its, 13.856406, so i bet krunner is broken [20:30] well [20:30] it sure is [20:30] it surely got more digits than that [20:30] plasma-mobile rulez!!! \o/ === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu 10.10 is out! | if you are still hungover from 42, please see a doctor | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | Merges! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges [20:31] thanks guys [20:31] rbelem: now if only markey would get knut to send us n900s ^^ [20:31] rbelem: we just need N900's to make it popluar [20:31] you rock! [20:31] * shadeslayer needs one too [20:31] eheheh [20:32] apachelogger: dude, toolchain isnt done yet [20:32] cjwatson told me to wait :) [20:32] everyone really [20:32] of natty? [20:32] yes [20:32] isnt natty frozen? [20:32] lol... not really :P [20:33] toolchain wont be done for another few days [20:33] back in the days the new series was frozen until the toolchain was done [20:33] it is .. waiting for toolchain [20:33] so [20:33] what is the problem? :P [20:34] that you cant start merging atm ? [20:34]