[04:23] <seidos> should this bug be marked solved:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/514834  the OP says that it can be marked as such.
[04:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 514834 in linux (Ubuntu) "mic not working on toshiba satellite M305d with ubuntu karmic 9.10 (affects: 2) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,New]
[04:25] <micahg> seidos: yeah, I"ll mark it invalid, thanks
[04:25] <seidos> hmmm, looks like there isn't a "solved" option.
[04:25] <seidos> micahg, ok
[04:25] <micahg> seidos: done
[04:26]  * seidos nods @ micahg 
[04:54] <slooksterpsv> I have some questions about bug reporting if someone is avail
[04:55] <micahg> !ask | slooksterpsv
[04:55] <ubot2> slooksterpsv: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:55] <slooksterpsv> pretty much I want to file a bug that's been reported, but it says fix released, but the bug still exists; do I just comment on that bug or create a new one?
[04:55] <AbhiJit> slooksterpsv, which is that bug?
[04:56] <AbhiJit> address?
[04:56] <slooksterpsv> gwibber not being able to add facebook accounts
[04:57] <micahg> slooksterpsv: please file a new bug and reference the old one
[04:59] <slooksterpsv> haha someone beat me to it
[04:59] <persia> There's a "This bug affects me" button which you might want to press
[05:00] <slooksterpsv> not seeing it :( I saw it before on another bug related to this one, if its a duplicate of another bug would I be added already?
[05:00] <slooksterpsv> nevermind I'm an idiot
[05:02] <persia> No, the UI just gets confusing sometimes.  You'll get used to it.
[05:03] <slooksterpsv> ok; how can I help with bugs specifically besides reporting them? should I find work-arounds for temporary fixes? download the source and try to resolve the issue myself? try daily builds to see if it's resolved in those? or... cause I'd love to help with bugs, my programming knowledge is limited, but I know what I'm searching for depending on how well it's documented
[05:05] <micahg> slooksterpsv: have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[05:09] <persia> slooksterpsv, Often the best way to help is to track down the specific issue.  Workarounds and temporary fixes aren't usually interesting, as they often can't be deployed for everyone.  Daily build testing is a very scattergun approach.
[05:10] <slooksterpsv> ok
[05:10] <lifeless> persia: scattershot :P
[05:10] <persia> My experience is that something like 20% of bugs have a fix *somewhere* (maybe a blog post, maybe another distribution, maybe upstream, etc.), and it's worth testing and confirming those.
[05:11] <persia> lifeless, Think scale.  One can knock out a crowd with scattershot from a single gun, but scattering guns about can be just as effective, and gives one the opportunity to walk away, whistling nonchalantly.
[05:12] <persia> But anyway, if you like, perhaps "using a shotgun to hunt ants"
[05:13] <slooksterpsv> alrighty, and you guys would be here or someone would be to assist me if I get stuck on where to go once I've got the basics like how to further help along those lines - this is a lot of documentation btw
[05:13] <micahg> slooksterpsv: there's usually a bug control member in here almost all the time
[05:23] <drew212> stlsaint: hey, you doing any triaging?
[05:24] <slooksterpsv> ok this is a whole lot of information to take down, but i gtg to bed work early tomorrow. so I'll try and help with bugs and that. see you tomorrow
[07:07] <snadge> is someone going to update the freenx ppa for maverick?
[07:16] <persia> snadge, You'd have to hunt down the freenx PPA folk.  We have nothing to do with that.
[07:17] <snadge> yeah i know.. i stupidly decided to update to maverick thinking i might be able to fix my nx problem
[07:18] <snadge> which is great, its kept the neatx server installed.. but i can only connect to it from windows nx client.. i get an error with the ubuntu one
[07:21] <snadge> i guess i'll just have to wait for the ppa to be updated.. since theres no other method i can see for getting it to work on ubuntu.. they all point to that ;)
[10:31] <layn> Hi
[10:48] <xteejx> layn: Hi
[10:48] <layn> xteejx: hi
[10:49] <layn> xteejx: How are you?
[10:49] <xteejx> layn: Good thanks, anything we can help with?
[10:51] <layn> xteejx: Oh, thank you very kind are familiar with Oracle, then?
[10:52] <xteejx> layn: I'm not unfortunately, sorry. Is it a bug, or a problem you are having?
[10:54] <xteejx> layn: If it is a problem rather than a bug, you'd be better going to #ubuntu - most questions can be answered there :)
[10:54] <layn> now I have no problems or bugs on my system but gave a look at the new bugs reported
[10:55] <xteejx> layn: Don't worry, we are well aware of the number of bugs, and it is expected
[10:55] <xteejx> that there will be some things which aren't 100% perfect
[10:57] <layn> xteejx: you are a member of bug-squad
[10:57] <layn> ?
[10:57] <xteejx> layn: Yes, and Bug Control
[10:58] <layn> xteejx: I, too, and I try to be helpful mome all of you as I always have even though I have many commitments here at work with the database
[10:59] <xteejx> layn: That's cool, we're all volunteers anyway :)
[10:59] <xteejx> Anyway I must go do some triaging I've been away for a couple of months and didn't get much done last night
[10:59] <layn> xteejx: say I'm an Oracle DBA
[10:59] <miku_> hi, anyone here with knowledge about intel gfx chip on ubuntu?
[10:59] <xteejx> miku_: Whats the problem?
[10:59] <persia> layn, The trick is to only help when you have time: don't let it interfere (or you'll stop).  Do let it (slowly) make you an expert in working with bugs, so you can easily establish a quick resolution if you encounter one that affects $work.
[11:00] <xteejx> persia: Afternoon/evening persia :)
[11:00] <persia> hey xteejx :)
[11:00] <xteejx> !time
[11:00] <ubot2> Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[11:03] <layn> persia: I sometimes deviates from the database and I dedicate myself to ubuntu to get some time for me this is another trick
[11:05] <miku_> xteejx: i have 10.10 on mac mini and there is problems with video playback
[11:05] <miku_> xteejx: long latencies
[11:06] <xteejx> Is this an Intel i945/965?
[11:06] <miku_> yes
[11:06] <xteejx> Why am I not surprised :(
[11:07] <miku_> slowd eats cpu on every 10seconds so i traced it to the drm_crtc_helper.c
[11:07] <xteejx> Honeslty, I doubt it's a bug, its a crap "graphics chip", have you enabled any restricted drivers
[11:07] <xteejx> (don't think there are any for i945/965)
[11:08] <miku_> in drm_crtc_helper.c there is #define DRM_OUTPUT_POLL_PERIOD (10*HZ)
[11:08] <xteejx> drm? What kind of video you trying to play?
[11:08] <miku_> in increased that to two hours :), and the video playback issue fixed
[11:09] <miku_> so apparently it is polling the display ports and that causes long latencies
[11:09] <miku_> of course is not a proper fix
[11:09] <layn> ok dependencies resolved
[11:09] <xteejx> Ok, have you filed a bug for this?
[11:09] <miku_> nope i haven't
[11:09] <xteejx> miku_: You definitely should, and include your workaround :)
[11:10] <xteejx> miku_: File with "ubuntu-bug linux"
[11:10] <miku_> i am at work so i can't use any tools to file it now :(
[11:10] <xteejx> Ok no worries :)
[11:12] <miku_> i assume i should do 'ubuntu-bug linux' on that particular setup which is ill behaving?
[11:12] <xteejx> The LPGM script is still not working!! It's a really simple fix... remove the extra tag from the xml file at http://people.canonical.com/~brian/greasemonkey/bugsquad-replies.xml - or is Brian thr only one who has access there?
[11:13] <xteejx> miku_: Yup, it'll grab all your system hardware info for debugging
[11:14] <miku_> that was only issue i encountered with my mac mini so 10.10 rocks :) thankyou for making it
[11:14] <xteejx> Me? I had very little to do with it :P
[11:15]  * xteejx thinks he should grab some breakfast...it's 11:15am
[11:27] <yofel> xteejx: he merged my branch, and I think the xml file is synced periodically from bazaar, you'll have to ask him for anything more specific
[11:45] <xteejx> yofel: Ok, so it's a matter of time then, hopefully not too long, I'm hating the typing, slows down the triaging
[11:45] <yofel> agreed
[11:47] <yofel> actually http://people.canonical.com/~brian/greasemonkey/bugsquad-replies.xml seems fixed - does it still not work?
[11:48] <xteejx> I still see "XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </reply>."
[11:49] <xteejx> And no it doesn't work :(
[11:49] <xteejx> Forget that
[11:49] <xteejx> It does, I'm a dipstick didn't refresh lol
[11:49]  * xteejx shouts WOOHOO
[11:50] <xteejx> yofel: Just a small note, the [Release+1 Testing] link still says Karmic Koala
[11:51] <yofel> eeek
[11:51] <xteejx> lol
[11:52] <yofel> I'll update it to natty when I get the time and nobody else did it ^^
[11:52] <xteejx> yofel: Cool. Could I be really cheeky and ask to have the "Old untouched bugs" response put in? :)
[11:54] <yofel> well, brian's the one that maintaines the file, but I could add it and file a merge request I guess
[11:54] <xteejx> Oh right - didn't realise :)
[11:57]  * xteejx has no heating on in his house, has the fan on full speed, and is still hot!
[12:09] <xteejx> wow 20 bugs closed by me so far today (didn't have anything back after being asked something by tirager ~1.5 yrs old)
[12:09] <xteejx> triager even
[14:03] <schnatta> hi. i have a bug that is grub related but not necessarily really a grub bug. the essential problem is, that you use the actual device names in the grub config for the root parameter
[14:03] <schnatta> if a user installs from an usb stick on a usb harddrive and unplugs the usb stick afterwards this causes a simple drop to the initrd shell on the next reboot
[14:03] <schnatta> because /dev/sdc became /dev/sdb
[14:04] <schnatta> so you should stick to uuid parameters
[14:04] <schnatta> any suggestions where to report that and which package to use?
[14:17] <schnatta> blubb
[14:19] <hggdh> schnatta: grub
[14:25] <xteejx> What's the command for ubotu to search what versions are in the repos?
[14:27] <xteejx> !info linux
[14:28] <ubot2> xteejx: linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.35.6.7 (maverick), package size 4 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia all armel)
[14:28] <Pici> xteejx: There isn't an rmadison-like command though.
[14:29] <xteejx> pici: That's ok, just brushing up on small things :)
[14:36] <schnatta> thanks. bye
[14:38] <xteejx> ok that was random
[14:39] <xteejx> Can someone invalidate Gutsy backports for bug 270100 please? The website won't let me (html bug)
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 270100 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "[needs-packaging] HTK - speech recognition (heat: 2)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270100
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:51] <simar> dholbach: yeah!!
[14:51] <dholbach> :-D
[14:51] <simar> :))
[14:51]  * nisshh heads over there to see what dholbach is so excited about
[14:52] <dholbach> nisshh, make sure you wait 8 more minutes :)
[14:52] <dholbach> and check out the wiki page in the meantime
[14:52] <nisshh> dholbach, will do, thanks :)
[14:53] <nisshh> dholbach, didrocks told me that im now on yours and jcastro's list of "people who we conned into doing sessions at App Week" :)
[14:53] <jcastro> nisshh: can you ping me after the session?
[14:54] <nisshh> jcastro, after the first session? sure
[15:00] <dyfet> I think bug 657024 can be marked as triaged
[15:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657024 in ziproxy (Ubuntu) "please sync/merge 3.1.3-1 from debian (unstable) to Maverick (universe) - security vulnerability (affects: 1) (heat: 262)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657024
[15:10] <hggdh> dyfet: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs?
[15:11] <hggdh> dyfet: actually, the whole section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs
[15:12] <dyfet> I was going by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BugTriage
[15:13] <dyfet> Since it's a vulnerability
[15:19] <hggdh> it is indeed a security vulnerability, and the security team is already subscribed. But it is also a sync/merge request, which means it should not be touched except for the steps shown in the page
[15:20] <dyfet> Ah...ok
[15:20] <dyfet> I should drop "merge" from the title for clarity, it is a pure sync...
[15:21] <hggdh> dyfet: heh, I thoought so also -- and, of course, your case is a bit special, since you yourself could prepare a SRU for it :-)
[16:01] <nisshh> jcastro, you wanted me to ping you after the session
[16:01] <jcastro> nisshh: hit me up on #ubuntu-community-team
[16:02] <nisshh> will do
[16:27] <hggdh> maco: morning, and I would like to know if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductGuidelines is still being pursued
[16:29] <maco> hggdh: no idea. never seen that wiki page before
[16:29] <hggdh> oh
[16:29] <maco> ask svaksha
[16:29] <maco> that's vid's nick
[16:30] <hggdh> maco: do you know which channel I should go?
[16:30] <maco> #ubuntu-women :P
[16:30] <hggdh> heh
[16:30]  * hggdh blushes deeply
[16:30] <maco> or #ubuntu-women-project
[16:30] <maco> thats the on-topic channel
[16:32] <hggdh> maco: thank you
[16:32] <maco> np
[16:52] <xteejx> bug 227543 - a strange one, has anyone seen this? I'm not sure how to proceed with triage on this one, it's not easily reproducible
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 227543 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Unnecessarily incomplete advice for package in inconsistent state (heat: 3)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227543
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Looks like one of those "old bug" types. You could mark it as invalid; modify the no response from reporter response to reflect we can't do anything until it can be reproduced
[16:55] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Ok, cool thanks Charlie :)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Or put it back in "new" with a comment that we need it reproduced in a current version
[16:56] <xteejx> Oops, to late, Invalidated it
[16:56] <xteejx> s/to/too/
[16:56] <charlie-tca> That's okay. If it can be reproduced, they can set it back anyway
[16:57] <xteejx> That's true. I left the "if you can give us the info..." bit in the message :)
[16:57] <jibel> xteejx, charlie-tca, this is not invalid this is the raw output from dpkg which is displayed in the dialog.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Is it still displaced broken?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I thought it shows the full text now
[16:58] <xteejx> I also thought that
[16:58] <charlie-tca> emma: wine-dev: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[16:58] <charlie-tca> is the issue
[16:58] <charlie-tca> well, not emma
[16:59] <jibel> yes the message from dpkg is exactly
[16:59] <jibel> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.1 (--remove):
[16:59] <jibel>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[16:59] <jibel>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[16:59] <jibel> or other package
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Yes, but he only got the first sentence
[16:59] <xteejx> The bug is that the text is truncated in the dialog box
[16:59] <xteejx> is/was
[17:00] <jibel> oh, I should have read it twice :(
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I could be wrong, but I think that is no longer valid
[17:00] <xteejx> :P
[17:00] <xteejx> I must admit I really haven't seen it, even in Lucid
[17:01] <jibel> I've fixed it at some point if I remember.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I just follow jibel's lead on most of the dpkg errors
[17:01] <jibel> it should no longer be an issue.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> whew! Thanks
[17:01] <xteejx> Setting it Invalid wasn't that bad a move then :)
[17:01] <jibel> but I'll check to be sure.
[17:02]  * jibel adding to his todo list
[17:02] <charlie-tca> xteejx: No, because the reporter stated he would not be able to verify it as still broken
[17:03] <xteejx> lol ok
[17:03]  * drizztbsd still waiting for #652183
[17:03] <xteejx> Quick question aside from bugs:
[17:03] <sbeattie> jibel: I see that you've verified bug 655463; FYI, I added a testcase to qa-r-t for it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master/revision/983
[17:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655463 in eglibc (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "strstr broken for some inputs on pre-SSE4 machines (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655463
[17:03] <xteejx> Does anyone use twitter on gwibber? I'm getting spammed or so it seems
[17:04] <jibel> xteejx, set the synaptic bug to confirmed it's a 5mn test.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> drizztbsd: waiting on what for bug 652183 ?
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652183 in tar (Debian) (and 1 other project) "tar 1.23-2 enters dead loop on extracting symlinks with -k option (affects: 1) (heat: 496)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652183
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I don't use gwibber
[17:04] <xteejx> its https://twitter.com/humsivhs/statuses/27045763322 :@
[17:04]  * xteejx is peed off
[17:04] <xteejx> jibel: The bug I questioned?
[17:05] <jibel> xteejx, yes.
[17:05] <xteejx> jibel: So it's not fixed then?
[17:05] <jibel> 227543
[17:05] <xteejx> bug 227543
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 227543 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Unnecessarily incomplete advice for package in inconsistent state (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227543
[17:05] <jibel> xteejx, I need to verify, it should be closed but maybe I missed it.
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks for taking the time to help with that, jibel
[17:06] <xteejx> I'm confused now, if it's fixed it should be Invalid right?
[17:06] <jibel> sbeattie, thanks.
[17:06] <xteejx> or Fxi released even
[17:07] <jibel> sbeattie, is there a way to plug the testsuites coming with the packages in qa-r-t ?
[17:07] <xteejx> jibel, do you mean you're testing it?
[17:07] <jibel> sbeattie, I'm thinking about coreutils for example
[17:07] <jibel> xteejx, yes, I'll test it, not now but I'll do.
[17:08] <jibel> xteejx, but if you're testing it then go, no problem.
[17:08] <sbeattie> jibel: if it's packaged, yes; we do that for mysql and postgresql. If it's not packaged, it can be done, but it's a bit more work.
[17:08] <xteejx> jibel, Oh right, sorry I got confused, will set it Incomplete for now then
[17:08] <xteejx> jibel, I'll be honest I'm on production machine I don't wanna cause breakages to find out :(
[17:08] <sbeattie> jibel: but yeah, taking advantage of upstream testsuites wherever we can would be great.
[17:10] <jibel> sbeattie, when testing SRUs, I run the testsuite shipped with the package when there is one.
[17:11] <jibel> sbeattie, There was a coreutils SRU recently and the testing in qa-r-t is rather ... basic while the one coming with the source is fairly complete.
[17:12] <sbeattie> jibel: right, the two testcases for coreutils were actually demos from an openweek session I gave on how to write testcases for qa-r-t.
[17:12] <jibel> sbeattie, I'll check how this is done for mysql and postgresql and see if I can do something with other testsuites.
[18:16] <xeroadmin> I can't update without something going wrong
[18:16] <xeroadmin> recently I had to reinstall because the latest kernel release disabled networking
[18:19] <hggdh> jibel: coreutils comes with extensive tests in the source package; these tests are executed on build time.
[18:20] <hggdh> jibel: also, you could grab the source and run _all_ the tests (root/non-root, expensive, etc).
[18:21] <hggdh> sbeattie: I thought you were on a holiday ;-)
[18:23] <sbeattie> hggdh: theoretically. :-)
[18:23] <hggdh> sbeattie: so am I, so am I...
[18:33] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[19:06] <espen77> before i can login to 10.10 i have to login to consoll then run "ecrypt-mount-private"..
[19:13] <stanley_robertso> hi AbhiJit
[19:15] <AbhiJit> hey stanley_robertso
[19:21] <flipefr> hello everyone
[19:22] <flipefr> i have a bug that i can't reproduce, can anybody try it?it is very fast
[19:23] <AbhiJit> flipefr, just give the bug address. if anyones free then they will try
[19:24] <flipefr> bug 658442
[19:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658442 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus does not sort users's home directory content (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658442
[19:27] <flipefr> and there is also another bug that is more a request than a bug
[19:27] <flipefr> bug 658374
[19:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658374 in gparted (Ubuntu) "Please update GParted to to version 0.6.3 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658374
[19:27] <AbhiJit> the bug is not reproducable here on my mc
[19:28] <flipefr> I checked that actually is in version 0.6.2 in repository
[19:28] <flipefr> AbhiJit: what should i do with bugs no reproducible?
[19:28] <flipefr> AbhiJit: ignore them?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> flipefr: that will be fixed when the packages are synced for natty, if the .3 is in debian
[19:29] <AbhiJit> flipefr, either ask the user to provide screenshot of the said bug if not mark as invalid
[19:29] <flipefr> AbhiJit: thanks
[19:29] <AbhiJit> np
[19:33] <flipefr> AbhiJit: what do you think about bug 658374
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658374 in gparted (Ubuntu) "Please update GParted to to version 0.6.3 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658374
[19:33] <flipefr> AbhiJit: i checked that the version in repository is 0.6.2
[19:33] <charlie-tca> flipefr: that will be fixed when the packages are synced for natty, if the .3 is in debian
[19:34] <AbhiJit> flipefr, mark it as opinion
[19:34] <flipefr> charlie-tca: should i mark it as invalid?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> no
[19:34] <AbhiJit> or wishlist if you can
[19:34] <charlie-tca> leave it or mark it wishlist.
[19:34] <flipefr> charlie-tca: opinion and could you set importance to wishlist?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> devs take care of those, normally
[19:34] <charlie-tca> not opinion
[19:35] <AbhiJit> ok
[19:35] <charlie-tca> it is a packaging bug. It goes to wishlist and we leave it alone unless it is already updated
[19:36] <flipefr> charlie-tca: i wont change the status then, but could you mark it as wishlist?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:37] <charlie-tca> done
[19:37] <flipefr> thanks
[19:37] <flipefr> what is the standard response for this kind of bugs?
[19:37] <charlie-tca> There will more requests for updated packages or sync/merges. We mark them wishlist and leave them
[19:38] <flipefr> ok, no response then
[19:38] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs
[19:39]  * BUGabundo secretly wants #ubuntu+1 to reopen.  $ lsb_release -a Ubuntu natty (development branch)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo might be too fast
[19:41] <BUGabundo> don't care
[19:41] <charlie-tca> flipefr: There is the reference for all those "I want this package" bugs
[19:42] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I did not think they upload the toolchain until after uds?
[19:42] <flipefr> charlie-tca: thanks
[19:42] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:42] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: it goes up the day next to launch
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Really? Now I learned something else today
[19:44] <devildante> would be good to tell it to me too, I just arrived :p
[19:44] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I did this already, last two cycles
[19:44] <BUGabundo> devildante:  $ lsb_release -a Ubuntu natty (development branch)
[19:44] <charlie-tca> devildante: toolchain for the next release goes up the day after the release
[19:44] <devildante> upgrading before alpha 1?
[19:45] <devildante> I did it too for the maverick cycle :p
[19:45] <BUGabundo> me too
[19:45] <devildante> so I can upgrade now?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> and (what ever code name was before)
[19:45] <BUGabundo> devildante: sure, sed your sources
[19:45] <BUGabundo> and *vote* for #ubuntu+1 to open
[19:45] <BUGabundo> I miss being in there
[19:45] <BUGabundo> I'm already grumpy enough today
[19:45] <devildante> I've never been in there :p
[19:46] <BUGabundo> you haven't ?
[19:46] <devildante> no :p
[19:46]  * BUGabundo slaps devildante with an wet trout 
[19:46] <devildante> again? :p
[19:46] <BUGabundo> sure
[19:46]  * BUGabundo slaps devildante with an wet trout 
[19:46] <flipefr> AbhiJi: did you install gimp in maverick from software center?
[19:47] <devildante> I meant that you did it for the second time, no need to do it again :p
[19:47]  * charlie-tca can't believe one slap with a wet trout wasn't enough
[19:47] <charlie-tca> lol
[19:47] <AbhiJit> flipefr, i dont use maverick.
[19:47] <AbhiJit> !tab | flipefr
[19:47] <ubot2> flipefr: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:48] <flipefr> does anybody try to install gimp from software center in maverick?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> hm, it comes installed in Xubuntu
[19:48] <devildante> sorry, can't try, I'm upgrading to natty
[19:48] <devildante> charlie-tca: ah, didn't know that
[19:49] <devildante> so you have enough space on LiveCD?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:49] <charlie-tca> We leave the language packs out
[19:50] <charlie-tca> We don't need as much space as gnome does, either
[19:53] <devildante> thanks for the insight :)
[19:54]  * devildante is upgrading to natty now
[19:55] <BUGabundo> welcome
[19:55] <charlie-tca> booting a maverick box to check gimp installation using software center
[19:55] <BUGabundo> hope to see you in #ubuntu+1 once it reopens
[19:55] <devildante> and if I don't? :p
[19:56] <jcastro> great job today devildante!
[19:56] <devildante> thanks, jcastro :)
[19:56] <devildante> hope everyone liked it too :)
[19:57] <charlie-tca> let's see if I an ubuntu box
[19:57] <BUGabundo> oh goody.... natty X is awesome.. already frozen twice
[19:58] <devildante> BUGabundo: I just have problems on maverick with this MacBookPro, don't tell me I'll have more problems :p
[19:58] <AbhiJit> :)
[19:59] <devildante> devildante@amine-MacBookPro:~$ lsb_release -d
[19:59] <devildante> Description:	Ubuntu natty (development branch)
[19:59] <devildante> hell yeah!
[19:59] <BUGabundo> let me nag tsimpson ... :P
[19:59] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: two users running natty
[20:00] <BUGabundo> time to reopen #ubuntu+1
[20:00] <BUGabundo> yofel: kklimonda: charlie-tca: join us
[20:00] <charlie-tca> You want to upgrade to Natty already, and don't want problems?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I am trying to do this gimp install
[20:00] <devildante> charlie-tca: I know, just kidding
[20:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: already?
[20:00] <devildante> come on guys, upgrade to natty and let us play together :)
[20:01] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sorry for being so slow
[20:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's closed :/
[20:01] <BUGabundo> was at work all day
[20:01] <BUGabundo> just got home :P
[20:01] <kklimonda> devildante: it's "Ubuntua natty"? :D
[20:01] <BUGabundo> now to find out which PPAs I can upgrade too
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I guess NONE
[20:01] <BUGabundo> nauthy
[20:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's a little early for that ;)
[20:01] <devildante> lol
[20:01] <BUGabundo> no its not
[20:01] <devildante> I read Description:	Ubuntu natty (development branch)
[20:01] <BUGabundo> did the same last two cycles
[20:02] <BUGabundo> devildante: natty nauthy
[20:02] <devildante> I did it too for the maverick cycle
[20:02] <kklimonda> he archive is still locked and there has only been one upload for natty
[20:02]  * BUGabundo stares at Mark
[20:02] <devildante> BUGabundo LOL
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Now where did flipefr go? anybody know what he wanted with this gimp installation?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[20:02] <BUGabundo>   cpp-4.5{a} g++-4.5{a} gcc-4.5{a} libcloog-ppl0{a} libelfg0{a} libgmpxx4ldbl{a} libmpc2{a} libppl-c2{a} libppl7{a} libstdc++6-4.5-dev{a}
[20:02] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[20:02] <BUGabundo>   base-files binutils chromium-browser chromium-browser-dbg chromium-browser-inspector cpp dpkg dpkg-dev dselect firefox firefox-branding  firefox-gnome-support g++ gcc gmailwatcher libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dbg libc6-dev libc6-i386 libdpkg-perl xulrunner-1.9.2
[20:02] <BUGabundo> take firefox and chromium out of there
[20:03] <BUGabundo> and tell me there hasn't been uploads
[20:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, I don't count the toolchain :)
[20:04] <kklimonda> still I'm surprised it's already there, there is nothing in natty-changes
[20:04] <BUGabundo> why is everyone so surprised?
[20:04] <BUGabundo> I've been doing this for a while
[20:05] <kklimonda> we don't live on the edge, like you do :P
[20:05] <BUGabundo> edge of an airplane
[20:06] <BUGabundo> 5 days for a 4300 mts high jump
[20:06] <BUGabundo> parashoot may or may not be included
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Well, the gimp install using software center in maverick worked. Let flipefr know if he comes back
[20:10] <njin> hello to all, if i click on shutdown and pc instead of shutdown restart session at wich package assign ? thanks Fabio
[20:13] <jibel> hggdh, re coreutils testsuite, my question was does it makes sense to plug them with the qa-r-t or not  ?
[20:14] <hggdh> jibel: I briefly looked at separating the test suite from coreutils proper, but it is not as simple as I hoped
[20:15] <hggdh> jibel: we _could_ just grab the package, and rebuild it
[20:15] <hggdh> jibel: but I never went that far. I rebuild coreutils almost every day -- I provide upstream's CU on my PPA
[20:17] <jibel> hggdh, we were talking about coreutils, but while verifying SRUs, I've seen that many many packages comes with a testsuite, not always as elaborated as coreutils, and I'm wondering how we could glue those testsuites with our testsuite and if something as already been done this way ?
[20:20] <hggdh> jibel: some work has been done -- IIRC, mysql tests are now pacakged by themselves. We could try the same with CU, and others
[20:20] <hggdh> this would give us better coverage on SRUs
[20:20] <jibel> and postgresql too.
[20:20] <micahg> hggdh: remember, one of ways people fix FTBFS is to disable the test suite
[20:21] <jibel> or simply to speed up the build process, e.g gcc testsuite
[20:22] <hggdh> yes, indeed. This is another reason tests should be separated
[20:22] <jibel> or java testsuite (30 hours)
[20:25] <micahg> hggdh: we started running the test suite for Firefox 4 in the daily PPA and it takes 2.5 hrs longer to build
[20:26] <hggdh> yes, I understand. But somewhere, somehow, we should still run the tests. perhaps (probably?) not at build time
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> the firefox test suite really needs to be run at build time, as it depends on the build tree
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure it would be possible to run it elsewhere (you'd still need to run the whole build)
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> and then you're not testing what you've built in the archive
[20:35] <hggdh> but it could also be run elsewhere -- for example, on regression testing
[20:35] <jibel> we could maybe proceed in 2 times, build and once the build is ok delegate the test somewhere else in order to have a non blocking test run.
[20:37] <hggdh> so what we seem to be agreeing on (at least jibel and myself) is that it would be nice to be able to package the tests
[20:38] <jibel> and we are talking about large to huge test suite, but most of the packages have tiny testsuites.
[20:38] <hggdh> large -- mysql, ffox, postgresql, coreutils
[20:39] <hggdh> which also happen to be serious candidates for regression testing
[20:39] <jibel> huge, -- gcc, java
[20:39] <hggdh> yep
[20:48] <Thingymebob> look like someone turned up for a bit of rant Bug #573648
[20:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 573648 in bash (Ubuntu) "change the reason about why do not enable colored prompt by default (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573648
[20:49] <Thingymebob> what to do with that one (wishlist)?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Here is a response I very seldom see a need for - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Reported%20by%20someone%20not%20respecting%20the%20Code%20of%20Conduct
[20:53] <Thingymebob> Was just about to add and include https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A suggestion for changing default applications or preferences with it
[20:53] <charlie-tca> yup, both should be used
[21:05] <kklimonda> it's incredible how long this report is
[21:06] <kklimonda> not to mention how badly formated
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Well, I can count on one finger the number of times I have used or recommended that response to any bug
[21:49] <xteejx> bug 573648 - he's lucky I didn't triage it lol (if I had my way it'd be set Won't Fix and him warned to shut the hell up and respect those who try to help)
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 573648 in bash (Ubuntu) "change the reason about why do not enable colored prompt by default (affects: 1) (heat: 25)" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573648
[21:50] <xteejx> But I know we have our own guidelines, but the above is on my own wishlist one day :)
[21:52] <devildante> is it normal the Examples folder only contains a single folder called "Ubuntu_Free_Culture_Showcase"
[21:52] <devildante> ?
[21:52] <xteejx> Not usually, although I've just looked and noticed that
[21:53] <xteejx> There used to be openoffice examples as well, oh and a couple of pdfs
[21:53] <xteejx> Maybe they're trying to keep the iso size down this time?
[21:54] <devildante> problem is I follow the laptop testing guidelines, and it says to open fables_something.xcf, which doesn't exist :p
[21:55] <xteejx> devildante: Where are these guidelines?
[21:55] <devildante> rather testcases: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Plans/LaptopTesting#Audio
[21:57] <xteejx> Hmm, that page is editable, but I'm useless with the wiki format. Perhaps one of the guys will have a look into this?
[21:57] <devildante> I could edit it, but I'm not sure what I would replace it with
[21:57] <devildante> guess I'll just send a mail to the QA mailing list
[21:58] <xteejx> Probably better :)
[22:00] <micahg> xteejx: always trying to save space on the ISO :)
[22:05] <xteejx> ;)
[22:06] <charlie-tca> um, I think that is maverick
[22:07] <devildante> yep :)
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Perhaps someone made a mistake and forgot to put the rest back in the what? bzr something
[22:10]  * charlie-tca got a brain freeze
[22:10] <devildante> lol
[22:16]  * BUGabundo shakes charlie-tca
[22:16] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:16]  * micahg hands charlie-tca another slurpee
[22:16] <charlie-tca> didn't help
[22:17]  * devildante slaps charlie-tca à la BUGabundo
[22:17]  * charlie-tca hugs BUGabundo and micahg 
[22:17]  * devildante hugs charlie-tca
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Well, at least I didn't get the wet trout ;-)
[22:18] <devildante> "à la BUGabundo"
[22:18]  * bcurtiswx slaps charlie-tca with a wet trout
[22:18] <devildante> so it's with a wet trout :p
[22:18]  * BUGabundo pulls the trout of bcurtiswx
[22:18] <BUGabundo> THAT'S MINE
[22:18] <charlie-tca> yeah, no point using a dry one
[22:18] <bcurtiswx> oh.. sorry :-\
[22:18]  * charlie-tca thinks BUGabundo could have done before he got hit
[22:19]  * devildante steals BUGabundo's trout
[22:19]  * bcurtiswx ducks
[22:19]  * devildante hides
[22:19]  * BUGabundo stabs devildante
[22:19] <devildante> NO I WAS HIDING YOU CHEATER
[22:19] <devildante> :p
[22:19]  * micahg looks for hggdh to restore order
[22:19] <BUGabundo> with the tail out
[22:19] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo, -1 internets
[22:19]  * bcurtiswx shakes head
[22:20]  * BUGabundo runs back to rss
[22:20] <devildante> something is wrong on the internet!
[22:20] <stgraber> kids ... ;)
[22:20] <bcurtiswx> 25.. halfway between kid and old :P
[22:20] <bcurtiswx> <<---- :D
[22:20] <micahg> stgraber: hah
[22:20] <devildante> me is 17, still kid :p
[22:20] <hggdh> er, what?
[22:20]  * charlie-tca way past kid
[22:21] <devildante> hggdh: kid or old? :p
[22:21] <stgraber> it's not only about the age ;)
[22:22] <hggdh> I would classify myself as being an older kid
[22:22] <hggdh> rather older
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I  could go with the rather older thing, too
[22:22] <devildante> heh :)
[22:22] <bcurtiswx> all you youngins
[22:22]  * devildante searches for brackets in mac keyboard and doesn't find it :(
[22:23] <hggdh> let me put it this way: my sons have finished college *and* post-grad
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> mid 50's
[22:23]  * devildante inclines
[22:23]  * bcurtiswx reclines....... in his chair
[22:24]  * devildante wanted to do something similar to french, but it wasn't that good :p
[22:25] <hggdh> aye
[22:26] <charlie-tca> I have a son-in-law twice devildante´ s age
[22:27]  * devildante has an idea about bugs and foreign languages
[22:27]  * devildante will talk about it at the meeting ;)
[22:28] <hggdh> oh joy, Now Nautilus barfs when asked to burn a CD
[22:28] <micahg> k3b FTW
[22:28]  * devildante buries micahg alive
[22:28] <devildante> brasero FTW
[22:29]  * micahg sends GNOMEs after devildante
[22:29] <charlie-tca> use xfburn
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hggdh: didn't nautilus always did that ?
[22:29]  * BUGabundo ducks
[22:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: doesn't verify :)
[22:29] <charlie-tca> does it work, though?
[22:29] <hggdh> charlie-tca: will do.
[22:30] <hggdh> IDK, this is the first time I burn a CD in what, 2 years?
[22:30]  * devildante just burned a CD for 10.10
[22:30] <charlie-tca> I burned a bunch for iso testing, brasero burned coasters, xfburn never failed even once
[22:30] <BUGabundo> devildante: tree killer
[22:30] <devildante> unfortunately, I burned it in OSX, so can't verify the bug :p
[22:30] <devildante> BUGabundo: what??
[22:31]  * micahg saw some type of brasero burning bug during the maverick cycle
[22:32] <xteejx> bloody hell I see all the old faces :)
[22:33] <charlie-tca> we had a brasero bug day even
[22:33] <BUGabundo> calling me old?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I know my bday is coming and all
[22:33] <BUGabundo> but pfff
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I'm old enough thank you very much
[22:33] <xteejx> lol @ BUGabundo :)
[22:33] <xteejx> I can't say too much I'm 27 next year :o
[22:33] <devildante> BUGabundo <--- very old :p
[22:33] <BUGabundo> and YES... all the comotion in this # is my fault.... I don't talk much in here... but since I can't be in +1
[22:34]  * charlie-tca agrees with BUGabundo 
[22:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: right, you are not talking ,uch here lately. Why is that? bad BUGabundo! :P
[22:34] <charlie-tca> this used to be a nice, well-behaved channel
[22:34]  * BUGabundo nugdes tsimpson :)
[22:34] <xteejx> I like the use there of past tense lol
[22:35] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: too many channels
[22:35] <BUGabundo> more focus on android latelly
[22:35] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh? :/
[22:35] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: we miss you!
[22:35]  * devildante changes channel name to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:35] <BUGabundo> I'm always around
[22:35] <BUGabundo> plus no IRC from work
[22:35] <BUGabundo> so that cuts my participation too
[22:35] <xteejx> I think making free Android phones for your #ubuntu-bug friends would be better hehe
[22:36] <devildante> +1
[22:36] <BUGabundo> devildante: if you think _that_ is off topic, you should see #cyanogenmod
[22:36] <kklimonda> devildante: it's a #ubuntu+1-bis ;)
[22:36] <devildante> haha
[22:44] <hggdh> the most strange is that Brasero says it is writing, shows progress bar and all, and leaves the CD virgin
[22:45]  * hggdh goes back to good old xfburn
[22:45] <devildante> are you sure you didn't enable the "test" checkbox? :p
[22:46] <micahg> bug 639834
[22:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 639834 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero is useless (affects: 2) (heat: 149)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639834
[22:47]  * charlie-tca is happy now. He finally got to help hggdh :-)
[22:47] <BUGabundo> hggdh: its Sacrate
[22:47] <BUGabundo> aka virgin
[22:47]  * BUGabundo lame joke
[22:47] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that brasero bug
[22:47] <charlie-tca> I haven't had much luck with it since 9.10
[22:48]  * micahg thinks brasero needs a hugday
[22:48]  * devildante thinks brasero already had one
[22:48]  * micahg thinks brasero needs another one :P
[22:50] <hggdh> heh
[22:53]  * charlie-tca is not sure another HugDay will help brasero
[22:53]  * devildante thinks we should do a coding hugday then :p
[22:54]  * BUGabundo thinks we should all stop /me
[22:54] <charlie-tca> How about this week or next, then?
[22:54] <devildante> maybe this week's hugday is already set, no?
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen it yet
[22:56]  * devildante really wants to prepare the hugday, but doesn't have time :(
[22:56]  * devildante thinks maybe next week he can do it :)
[22:57] <BUGabundo> stop that
[22:58]  * devildante won't stop
[22:58]  * devildante inb4 getting slapped
[23:01] <layn> Hi
[23:02] <layn> Greetings to all
[23:04] <ogennadi> layn: heyo
[23:05] <layn> ogennadi: hello
[23:06] <layn> However I did not understand a thing I may have lost some mail as fixed in the manual expiration bug