=== harrisonk_away is now known as harrisonk === harrisonk is now known as harrisonk_away [04:18] Hi === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:36] hi, i wasnt able to attend today's session ,pls tell me from where can i get the things taught ? [13:39] svenkatkumar: irclogs.ubuntu.com [13:40] thank you [14:51] 10 minutes until we begin! [14:52] :) [14:52] hello all === virusuy is now known as Guest17334 [14:56] we start in about 4 minutes! [15:00] alrighty [15:00] let's wait a min for late stragglers === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Introduction and Random Q&A - Instructors: jono, jcastro [15:01] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [15:02] alrighty! [15:02] welcome everyone to Ubuntu Open Week! [15:02] here we are for another weekly dose of content designed to get you all excited about being part of the Ubuntu community! [15:03] just as we kick off, I want to say a big thankyou to akgraner and jcastro for working hard on putting the week together [15:03] * jcastro waves! [15:03] :-) [15:03] we have done this for a number of releases now, and we have always found it a useful method of helping to get people involved in Ubuntu :-) [15:03] I just wanted to talk for a few moments before we do the general Q+A [15:04] and then we will throw it open and jcastro and I are going to answer whatever questions you like [15:04] for those of you who don't know me, I am Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu Community Manager, and jcastro is Jorge Castro who is our Ubuntu Upstream Relations Coordinator who works on my team [15:05] we both work at Canonical to help grow a strong and empower Ubuntu community [15:05] I believe Ubuntu has come a long way in recent years [15:05] when we started out we had a very clear focus - built the best Operating System we could [15:06] one designed for Linux enthusiasts and geeks [15:06] when the project started the goal was to bring real simplicity and focus in a world typically dominated by high technology [15:06] the global Ubuntu community wrapped their arms around this challenge, and it didn't take long before Ubuntu became the distro of choice for many Linux users [15:07] I would go to conferences and see pretty much everyone using Ubuntu [15:07] and throughout this time we would all feel a real satisfaction in "bringing Free Software to people" [15:07] today though, we face a much loftier challenge and opportunity [15:08] we have the potential to bring Free Software to *millions* of computer users around the world [15:08] the kind of people who have no idea what IRC is, what Linux is, how technology works [15:08] the kind of people whose priority in life is something other than computers [15:09] there are millions of end users around the world who are dissatisifed with Microsoft and Apple [15:09] they are tired of the limitations of those products, their cost, and want something better [15:09] and I firmly believe that Ubuntu can be that solution [15:10] in business circles this is typically revered to as "crossing the chasm"; a term that has become so clichéd and common that it is almost embarressing to say it [15:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Chasm [15:11] but it is true nonetheless, the theory goes that there is a chasm between initial adoption (e.g. Linux users loving ubuntu) and the mass computer user base using Ubuntu [15:11] many have thought they can get over that chasm, and many have tried [15:12] to build a bridge of the chasm required new thinking and new things - it needs marketing towards those users, technical features that are missing that they need, support resources, and more [15:12] and while many have failed to get over, it is typically because they only have limited resources and can't put every step into the bridge that is needed [15:12] well, we are differet [15:12] different [15:12] we can [15:13] we can build every step because we have an incredible global community [15:13] and to build each step required many different disciplines - we need developers, packagers, testers, translators, support folks, advocates, and more === harrisonk_away is now known as harrisonk [15:14] getting over the chasm isnt for people who are ultra-technical, it is not just for people with a Canonical paycheck === hunt0r_ is now known as huntz0r [15:14] it is something that every single one of you can help with [15:14] Ubuntu Open Week is all about that [15:14] it is all about enabling you folks to build a step in that bridge to get us over the chasm [15:14] and the opportunity i intense - just think about the world enjoying Free Software via Ubuntu [15:15] think of the money saved by charities and education, the better reliance on better technology, safer computing with a barely recognizable virus threat, software that everyone has a right to, that everyone has an opportunity to make better === harrisonk is now known as harrisonk_away [15:16] this is why we are here, and this is why every single one of us is critical to our success together in bringing Free Software to the world [15:16] to do this we have an awesome new release, the Maverick Meerkat [15:17] and this week we have a week jam packed with awesome sessions, and you can see the list of sessions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [15:17] so, without further ado [15:17] let [15:17] lets get into the Q+A [15:17] want to kick it off jcastro? [15:17] sure [15:18] Since 10.10 just came out, why don't you guys pile up some questions for the bot in -classroom-chat [15:18] jcastro, why don't you explain how to ask questiond [15:18] let me explain how questions work [15:18] :) [15:19] In #ubuntu-classroom-chat you ask the ClassBot a question [15:19] but he needs it in a certain format to work [15:19] so you do it in this format: [15:19] ClassBot: QUESTION: What's your favorite Iron Maiden album? [15:20] and then classbot will present them in this channel and we'll answer them [15:20] (all questions qill be asked like this for the entire week) [15:21] (ok the bot seems busted at the moment, give us a second) [15:22] ok, so you don't need the classbot bit [15:22] just like this: [15:23] QUESTION: What's Ubuntu? [15:25] (technical difficulties, bear with us for a moment) [15:25] Fifthmarch asked: Can I get the final release of 10.10 by updating the beta version I have [15:25] Fifthmarch, yep [15:25] :) [15:26] Just use the normal update-manager and you'll be set [15:26] guiwegian asked: How to upgrade to 10.10 from 10.4 with update manager? [15:26] In order to upgrade you can use the update manager [15:27] http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [15:27] this page has all the information you need for upgrading your version of ubuntu [15:28] ChrisWoollard asked: When will the wiki.ubuntu theme be changed to the modern style? [15:28] ChrisWoollard, yep [15:28] it is planned [15:28] in fact [15:28] you can play with it now by choosing "Ubuntu Light" theme in your preferences [15:29] it's just not turned on by default while the web team fixes the little bugs [15:29] Pernig asked: It took quite a long time for me to upgrade to Meerkat, and it doesn't seem that much different. What's new in this release? [15:29] jono: this would be a good time to tell us what your favorite features for 10.10 are [15:30] Pernig, all the details are on http://www.ubuntu.com of the new features [15:30] personally I love: [15:30] * Unity in the netbook edition - an awesome new interface for Ubuntu [15:30] * the sound indicator menu improvements [15:30] * a raft of Ubuntu Software Center improvements [15:30] * lots of new software updates [15:30] * shotwell is now shipped with Ubuntu [15:31] those are my main ones [15:31] I personally dig updates in the installer, and the nice new checkbox to get multimedia support in the installer. [15:31] what about you, jcastro? [15:31] :) [15:31] Did you know we do multitasking in the installer? [15:31] after you partition, it starts installing [15:31] :) [15:31] while you're filling out your name and all that [15:31] instead of just sitting there! [15:31] that's cool [15:32] drcooper asked: Is this session for technical questions? (I dont think so...if not sm1tell these people) [15:33] We can answer some technical questions (based on our knowledge), if something is more detailed you can probably get better support on the ubuntu mailing lists, ubuntu forums, or askubuntu.com [15:33] mostly this is an intro session this hour-long block to kick off the week [15:34] If the bot doesn't ask your question in here it means we have no clue. :) [15:34] daker asked: When will the ubuntu forums got a new light theme ? [15:34] jono: any idea about this one? I know they are working on it. [15:35] it's a little complicated for the forums because they are also in the process of a major update to the forum software, so for them it's not just a simple matter of updating the theme [15:35] jcastro, I am not sure, I know it is on the TODO list for the team [15:35] Marceau asked: my ubuntu pc is on a very slow connection, but I donwloaded the 10.10 iso. Is it possible to upgrade using the iso? [15:36] It sure is, stick the CD in and choose upgrade [15:36] (You'll have to boot off the CD) [15:36] OwaisL asked: At last UDS we had a session by the name, "making nautilus awesome" or something but nothing happened to nautilus. Are there any plans for Natty? Why not just ship nautilus-elementary? [15:36] That's a good question; I happened to be at that session [15:37] The improvements to nautilus likely weren't done due to lack of resources [15:37] (this is why we're always looking for developers) [15:37] OwaisL, shipping Nautilus Elementary is not as simple as just packaging it [15:37] naultilus is a key part of the desktop and changing it is risky [15:37] as far as what file manager to ship, that is a decision the desktop team makes [15:38] I am not sure why there are no major changes to nautilus though [15:38] (convincing the -elementary folks to get their fixes upstream to nautilus would be a win for everyone) [15:38] RibPreto-Brasil asked: Is it out of question to move back window buttons to right or do you consider that sometimes? [15:39] let me take this one [15:39] the change of the the windows buttons was a cosmetic change with a functional benefit made two releases ago [15:40] those of you who use Unity can see why the buttons on the left are a benefit - the buttons merge into the top panel and save a lot of space [15:40] there are no plans to move the window buttons [15:40] and frankly, I think we have bigger fish to fry and problems to solve :) [15:41] sandersch asked: Will Ubuntu Netbook Edition be pre-loaded on netbooks? === zahris_ is now known as zahris === snoopy is now known as Guest22880 [15:41] sandersch, yep [15:41] You can already get UNE preloaded today from vendors like system76 and zareason === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohan_chml [15:42] awk asked: Is the ubuntu font available for other platforms as well ? [15:42] certainly [15:42] it's just a .ttf [15:42] see http://font.ubuntu.com for more details and downloads [15:42] ChrisWoollard asked: Will you switch to Libre Office in 11.04? (What is your take on that openoffice / libreoffice issue? [15:43] Mark mentioned that we would be supporting it in the press release. I suspect this issue will be discussed at length at the Ubuntu Developer Summit [15:43] keep your eyes on http://uds.ubuntu.com to see when libreoffice will be discussed, I'm sure it will be announced when the final decision is made [15:44] That is something I personally am looking forward to in 11.04! [15:44] professorb asked: Lucid was a milestone release and I feel Meerkat hasn't changed a lot, but that's because Lucid was so good, it feels like Ubuntu isn't making as many major changes because it's got a lot of things right, but with that in mind what's next for Ubuntu, what big changes can come? [15:45] As the above answer, this is discussed at UDS [15:45] I don't want to dodge the question but for real, we'll know in about 2 weeks. :) [15:45] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n [15:45] this page has the incoming blueprints to what's coming up to be discussed at UDS [15:46] please feel free to read and subscribe to those to get a feel for what's going on in the project [15:46] drcooper asked: Why isnt Lubuntu be an official variant yet? [15:46] This is something a lubuntu person can probably answer better [15:46] I do know that they've been putting a bunch of work into becoming an official variant [15:47] we always try to encourage people who build on ubuntu to get involved, so I am looking forward to having another ubuntu [15:47] I personally just tried lubuntu on an older machine and it is pretty slick, that team is doing a great job! [15:48] AndrewMC asked: On linux mint they have xchat preinstalled that once opened would join you automatically into their on and off topic rooms, has Ubuntu ever considered doing this?... i personally think it is a good idea as it would make it easier for people to get support [15:48] We used to install xchat by default many years ago [15:48] but these days IRC is a little bit too geeky for a general purpose OS to ship out of the box [15:49] some people are really passionate about this (for understandable reasons) [15:49] but currently we offer empathy for rudimentary support of IRC in the default install [15:49] and for users that want a more hardcore client (like irssi, ftw) they can install it via the ubuntu software center. [15:49] nisshh asked: It was mentioned some time ago, that 'Windicator's' would replace where the window button's used to be, is this planned for Natty? [15:50] nisshh, not sure [15:50] windicators was an idea Mark had but I have seen little implementation work on it [15:50] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [15:51] nisshh asked: Will there be a fixed-width version of the new Ubuntu font for terminals? [15:51] I know the team is currently focused on the current font [15:51] I don't /believe/ there will be a fixed-width version (remembering from the original session) [15:52] this might be a good question to ask on the ayatana mailing list [15:52] ChrisWoollard asked: Can you give me a job at Canonical? ;) [15:52] nisshh, there is a monospace font I believe [15:52] ChrisWoollard, apply :-) [15:52] http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ [15:53] drcooper asked: Is it possible to get apt work like a bittorrent system so as to speed up installations? I am referring to a model in which users will be seeding packages. [15:53] we've been on-and-off looking at ways to improve the download performance for users [15:53] there have been rsync-like proposals for apt [15:54] all of those ideas are currently still being discussed, I don't think anyone has figured out exactly how to do delta-debs in a way that is useful for people without causing more load on the mirrors [15:54] so the best answer to this is "not yet" [15:55] RibPreto-Brasil asked: It is extremely awful that the installer uses Internet connection without user permission. Cant you let the 'first update' after first boot, and warning user about that?? [15:55] Please file a bug in the installer or mention it on the ubuntu-devel list. The package name is "ubiquity" [15:55] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [15:56] woo, no more questions, the queue is empty [15:56] ask them while we have time! [15:56] (Remember that at this time on Thursday Mark will be holding a session just like this) [15:56] to answer your questions that we might not have been able to give you good detail on [15:56] !q [15:57] also folks, I do weekly videocast Q+A sessions on ustream [15:57] ChrisWoollard asked: When is Ubuntu One for windows due? [15:57] www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon [15:57] According to U1 team member Josh Hoover: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1276/when-will-ubuntu-one-for-windows-be-released/5832#5832 [15:57] beta within the next couple o weeks! [15:58] keep an eye on their blog for details [15:58] ewaldmire asked: is any work being done to get Ubuntu on HP and more Dell systems? [15:58] Last question [15:58] thanks for all the questions folks [15:58] Yes, we're always working with OEMs to get ubuntu on more machines [15:58] our OEM team are always actively working with vendors [15:58] http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ [15:58] see this page for details [15:59] ok, that's it, whew [15:59] Thanks everyone for kicking off the week [15:59] we'll be having specific sessions the rest of the week [15:59] check the schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [15:59] and feel free to participate, and thanks for coming! [16:00] up next Laura is going to educate us on how to improve your LoCo team === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Helping LoCo Teams Help themselves - Instructors: Czajkowski [16:01] Aloha, Greetings from the Ubuntu LoCo Council, in case some of you are unfamiliar with us there are 6 of us elected by the CC for a 2 year term to help loco teams, approve and re approve teams and be there to mediate when necessary. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil I'm here today to talk to you about how teams can help themselves and to possible give you some ideas on how to improve or if you are looking at settin [16:01] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. === shriekout is now known as shriek [16:01] up a team what you could be doing to help the process along. === shriek is now known as Guest36033 [16:01] We idle in #ubuntu-locoteams and if you are looking for us you can say loco-council or loco council and that pings us. Also by contacting us on email loco-councillists.ubuntu.com. We're elected to help people and come from various backgrounds and are active in our teams plus on other Ubuntu related teams. So if you do need us just ask we want to help === Guest36033 is now known as shriekout [16:02] So some helpful resources for teams, we do notice there are a lot of active teams out there but there are others who do need some guidelines and often just having a simple set of guidelines can help a team operate better/more smoothly. [16:02] We set up a Best Guidelines and Practices wiki, and it has been translated but we're always looking for more translations: [16:02] These are only suggestions we'd encourage all teams to do but we also appreciate some teams do it differently, however we have found that these checklists DO WORK and those teams that follow them, are active and visible teams. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines [16:03] does anyone have any questions so far? [16:03] It's broken down into a monthly to do list [16:03] and a cycle based list [16:03] this will help teams get organised. I am a firm believer in lists! [16:04] you can make a list and then cross off or action people to help with areas and share out tasks, sharing our tasks is the best way for a team to happy and active. no point in taking it all on board! [16:05] RibPreto-Brasil asked: what are LoCo teams? [16:06] RibPreto-Brasil: A loco team is a group of ubuntu enthuastics [16:06] who meet or talk on IRC mailing lists on Ubuntu related topics [16:07] mhall119 asked: where can I find a LoCo team near me? [16:07] we have this great facality called the Loco directory http://loco.ubuntu.com/ [16:08] and here it lists all of the loco teams that we have at present [16:08] it also lists their contact details [16:08] events they are running [16:08] and how to get in contact with them [16:08] it's extremely useful! [16:08] drcooper asked: Is there a minimum number of members necessary to set up a LoCo Team ? [16:08] drcooper: nope there isn't [16:09] the more the merrier! [16:10] people getting together to work on Ubuntu is always encouraged! [16:10] Did you know that twice a month the LoCo Council meet? We run a loco health check once a month which is more of an informal discussion session, we encourage people to add topics they'd like more information on, or would like other teams to discuss and we try and get some feed back. [16:10] Anyone can add a topic to the health check we just ask you to please turn up for the meeting. Next cycle if there is still interest in the session we could look at changing or rotating the meeting session ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoHealthCheck [16:10] the idea of these sessions is to get discssion happening, give feedback on items such as the guidelines and best practices [16:10] or the Loco directory [16:11] or how to get members more involved [16:11] yantraShilpi asked: I'm assuming increasing LoCo activity is very important. Is there a compilation evangelization tools and ideas for increasing LoCo activity? [16:11] yantraShilpi: Not as such [16:12] we have a vast network, and you have the loco -contacts mailing list [16:12] and #ubuntu-lococontacts channel [16:12] and the microblogging #tag #locteams [16:12] ways of communicating with other teams and getting people to give you feedback on discussion items [16:13] drcooper asked: Could you brief us on the mandatory activities to be taken up by a LoCo team to qualify as an official one [16:13] drcooper: good question, while there are no offical mandatory activities being active by having monthly meetings [16:14] or getting disucssions happening on your mailing list or fourms [16:14] if possible going to events or organaning your own events all count [16:14] drcooper: having just 2 people doing this makes it a bit harder to approve having 10 people makes it easier [16:15] sorry to clarify earlier the #tag is #locoteams [16:15] The Council meets once a month for the approval and re approval of teams. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval [16:15] If you are going through one of these processes, you can ask us to have a look at your application prior to the event this makes it easier on all parties and we can give you some pointers if you are missing information. [16:15] If you are being re approved this is a standard process that will happen after about 2 years and you just have to go through the same process as before and show us you are still being active. [16:15] Have details on your application [16:16] name of team how many are in the team launchpad page irc page etc [16:16] Have photos! and links to blog posts or mailing list annoucements [16:16] tell us what you've done, don't expect us to go through your mailing list loking for the information [16:17] How can we tell if you're active? [16:17] Things teams can do to show how active you are doing, TAKE PHOTOS ! I cannot stress how helpful this is to you and to the council to be able to see the event happened! It also is a great way to tell others about the work you are doing as a photo often can show or explain things better than words. [16:17] BLOG! about the event once it's in the stages of being planned! Tell people about it! Tell people after the event happened! Let people know how it went! [16:17] use the microtag #locoteams it shows up on the loco directory (LD) and also encourages others to try similar events [16:18] TEAM REPORTS!!!! TELL the rest of the Ubuntu community about the work you are doing, an easy way to do this and yes it is easy telling me it's not easy doesn't work :) [16:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReportsCreate a team reporting section under your team heading page, and each month get a person to create the main reporting month ie. OCTOBER and get them to add the basic content to it, [16:18] ie. Team meeting, Ubuntu hour, activity on the mailing list etc and then get them to post it to the team mailing list and ask people to add content to it. Team reports will be part of the approval and re approval application as of next cycle! [16:18] Leading by example we do our own team reports! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamReports [16:19] there are over 140 loco teams! [16:19] as of last month only 28 did team reports :( [16:19] we could spread the Ubuntu word so much more if teams told one another what they are doing [16:19] it helps and encourages others to try similar activites [16:20] Team issues: [16:20] If a team is having a issue, try and resolve the matter internally or talk to the team leader or point of contact. IF this fails do come talk to us. We are a 3rd party and want to help, there is no shame in coming to us, nobody should be made to feel bad for coming to us either. We idle in a few team channels which we are working on helping. [16:20] as I said earlier on we idle in #ubuntu-locoteams and if you say loco-council it pings us [16:21] we can discuss things in there or we can discuss items privately [16:21] if teams are having issues with domain names, Mailing lists trademarks issues if you come to us first we can help with those also [16:22] xuacu asked: QUESTION: Could team reports be integrated in team pages of the LoCo Directory? [16:22] xuacu: there has been a bug logged about this [16:22] we have develoeprs who would like to see this happen also [16:22] but at present it has not been worked on [16:22] the LD Developers are always looking for help [16:23] http://loco.ubuntu.com/about/ [16:23] and welcome patches and volunteers to work on the project [16:23] Any more questions ? [16:24] There are numerous teams listed on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ [16:24] if there is none near you or close by [16:25] join #ubuntu-locoteams and chat with others [16:25] or join a channel of a team near by or of the same language and meet others [16:26] AlanBell asked: should loco teams be a legal entity with a bank account etc? [16:26] hmmm [16:26] so some teams depending on their location have had to do this [16:26] but honestly, I don't see a need for it unless you are handing large sums of money === yoroy is now known as yoroy_aardappele [16:27] if you are going to selling t-shirts or items to raise funds for your team that's one thing [16:27] but becoming a legal entitiy is a lot more work and not always needed imo [16:27] michael_k asked: Sometimes we run very short of people. Any suggestion on operating on a skeleton crew? [16:28] michael_k: ok, what I'd suggest here is spread some of the core items among the people [16:28] have a team contact [16:28] that's the main priority or someone who can relied upon to pass information from the loco contacts mailing list to your team so they are up to date [16:28] that person can chair your meetings [16:29] also when you have meetings, PLEASE PLEASE post the minutes of the meeting and outcomes to your mailing list or forum this helps get others interested and also for people who may not be able to make the meeting [16:29] have someone if possible to do the team report each month that way it gets done [16:29] I understand that some teams are small, mine is also but we share the tasks out [16:29] we have a person over the mailing list [16:30] the website [16:30] and it works well [16:30] Pernig asked: Where and who would be my first point of contact to get involved in an existing Loco team? [16:31] Pernig: I'd go first to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and find the team closest to me, so in this example I'll pick my team http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie [16:31] I can see here their channel is #ubuntu-ie their wiki page and who their team contact is [16:31] I can either mail them asking for information or join their channel [16:31] any more questions ? [16:32] brousch asked: Our LoCo events are much larger than typical LUG meetings in the area. How can I help the LUGs without making it seem like Ubuntu is trying to take over the LUG? [16:32] brousch: yup I see that happens a lot. [16:32] what I'd suggest is inviting them to an event [16:33] perhaps if you hold an Ubuntu hour [16:33] extend an invitation to them === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [16:34] also ask them if they are having an event can you join [16:34] it works both ways === yoroy_aardappe-1 is now known as yoroy_piepers [16:35] also on the LD you can see where global events are located http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/326/detail/ [16:35] which is great if you are travelling and want to stop by and visit [16:36] Any more thoughts/questions ? [16:37] brousch asked: How can a LoCo get more shwag from Canonical? [16:37] well APPROVED Teams will now get a once off gift from CAnonical [16:37] a banner and a table cloth with Ubuntu branding on them [16:37] there are also conference packs for teams and items in them vary if you are an approved or unapproved teams [16:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences [16:42] I'd also suggest hanging out in #ubuntu-locoteams it's a useful channel [16:43] and a great way to meet other Ubuntu members from teams [16:43] bounce ideas off one another and see what teams are doing [16:45] Any other comments? [16:45] I know a lot of teams are working really hard with their activites [16:45] and doing a great job [16:45] but we're here to help and ask for advice, so if you've not run an event before just ask [16:46] If there are no other comments or questions I guess we can finish up ? [16:47] ok thanks folks [16:47] hope this has helped [16:48] X-Man89 asked: Is there any guides on running Ubuntu Hour events? [16:48] xuacu: wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour [16:48] not really [16:48] just pick a venue [16:48] date [16:48] time [16:48] stick to it! [16:48] and meet up and chat [16:49] what we've found has worked is picking a topic sometimes and discussing it [16:49] so in the past I've shown the LD and asked folks to try it and then they submitted bugs :) so it worked [16:50] BigWhale asked: Sorry, I just arrived and if this was already answered I apologize. Recently I started to coordinate the effort for Slovenian LoCo. I noticed that somebody was already doing that before me and their request was rejected at that point. Is there anyone who could help with some basic guidelines about what else it is to be done before we apply for another review. I'd hate to be rejected and would need to wait for two more years [16:50] BigWhale: well that sounds like 2 people are doing a smilar job [16:50] what I'd suggest is talking to them and seeing how far their efforts have gotten them and possibly team up and help [16:51] There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. [16:51] and if you have any issues come talk to myself and the others itnet7 popey leogg and paultag on irc [16:51] BigWhale: does that help ? [16:52] BigWhale: any issues come talk to us and we'll talk and help. [16:53] documenting your work for approval helps grately! [16:53] keeping a copy of blog post [16:53] or links to media should be included in your application [16:54] Ok that's me done for today, I'm back again tomorrow if you want to know how to get more involved in the Ubuntu community from being a user :) [16:54] Thanks folks [16:55] There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. [16:57] ** Kubuntu talk in 5 minutes [16:58] hmmm === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || Support in #ubuntu || Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi || Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Event: Ubuntu Open Week - Current Session: Kubuntu is Awesome - Instructors: Riddell [17:01] Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. [17:01] Good afternoon all [17:01] as you know, Ubuntu makes a bunch of distro variants [17:02] Kubuntu is the most awesomest one [17:02] it's an Ubuntu distribution based heavily on KDE Software [17:02] KDE is a community making the original and best free desktop software as I expect you know [17:03] on the commercially led<->community sliding scale Kubuntu is much more towards community than e.g. Ubuntu Desktop is [17:03] but we're a supported project of Canonical (feel free to pay us money to support you!) [17:04] many years ago KDE was born as a desktop to take over the world [17:04] a few years ago the desktop was complete but it hadn't taken over the world [17:04] we KDE realised it wasn't enough to be as good as the competition, you had to be better [17:04] so much re-writing was done and KDE 4 was born [17:05] this has been a painful process, since when you rewrite things, they get a better foundation but can lose features for users [17:05] the good news is that 4.0 was released three years ago! [17:05] all the little niggles and missing features compared to KDE 3 have gone [17:05] so we have a very solid and innovative desktop to make a distro with [17:05] that distro is Kubuntu [17:06] uLinux: yes, the Kubuntu session is on [17:06] 10.10 was released yesterday [17:06] anyone tried it yet? [17:06] (chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat incase you hadn't got that) [17:07] nobody used it yet! now's the perfect time to try! [17:08] 17:07 < uLinux> QUESTION: is kubuntu less bloated then Ubuntu? [17:08] it's a full featured desktop, we try not to add unnecessary dependencies but then I expect so do Ubuntu Desktop people [17:09] it all manages to fit on a single CD though, which beats any proprietary OS you can think of [17:09] 17:07 < ulysses> Riddell: I upgraded but it freezes with KDE 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 also:( [17:09] that's a shame, computers can be annoying like that [17:09] do use #kubuntu or mailing lists or forums for support to try to debug that [17:10] 17:08 < luis_lopez> QUESTION: is multitouch supported under Kubuntu? === nitesh is now known as mobster [17:10] multitouch isn't supported currently, we'll be discussing that at the ubuntu summit in a couple of weeks, feel free to give me hardware I can test it on :) [17:10] 17:09 < sebsebseb> QUESTION: Why is Kubuntu so close to vanilla KDE, instead of customising it a bit more like other distros tend to do, themewise and such? [17:10] because KDE rocks! [17:11] we like to work with KDE rather than change what they offer, that way everyone wins [17:11] also other distros customise the theme so you can recognise Kubuntu nicely because we're the one that doesn't :) [17:11] KDE artwork is great, I don't see any reason to change it [17:12] 17:10 < Guest36400> So whats the difference between Ubuntu+KDE and Kubuntu? [17:12] well nothing, Kubuntu is the KDE variant from Ubuntu [17:12] if you have Ubuntu Desktop installed you can get Kubuntu with just installing the kubuntu-desktop package [17:13] 17:11 < shauno> (question for here) are all these sessions direct q&a? or do we let them do their bit & wait until questions are invited? [17:13] shauno: I have some notes to talk from, but it's usually more interesting with questions [17:13] so feel free to ask [17:14] 17:09 < ls960> QUESTION: will fix intel drivers 915, 945 and so on? [17:14]