[00:01] <akgraner> highvoltage, it's released on Mondays
[00:01] <akgraner> except  - there wasn't on last week
[00:01] <akgraner> so tomorrow Issue 213 will we for two weeks
[00:02] <akgraner> and I'll write  blurb about why etc
[00:02] <highvoltage> ok, that was what I was wondering aboot
[00:02] <akgraner> so each week covers Sunday to Saturday
[00:03] <highvoltage> I know, I just wondered what happened to the last week's issue :)
[00:06] <akgraner> highvoltage, a ton of reasons why it didn't happen...but anyway
[00:07] <akgraner> ok I am back into ubuntu-news.org - so I'm going to redo a few things :-)
[00:07] <highvoltage> ok, I wasn't complaining!
[00:07] <akgraner> :-)
[00:08] <akgraner> highvoltage, it's cool I am just a little stressed
[00:09] <highvoltage> understandably so, the last thing I want to do is add more of it
[00:09] <highvoltage> if there's something I can do (even if you just need someone to yell or complain to), then I'm here.
[00:59] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks! :-)
[01:00] <akgraner> ok I think I have all the changes I made this morning to ubuntu-news.org added back
[01:00] <akgraner> woo hoo
[01:00] <akgraner> the backups will happen midnight my time (est)
[01:00] <akgraner> nightly
[01:00] <akgraner> we will probably have to update the feedburner (again)
[01:46] <highvoltage> I'm going to edit the wiki, poke me if I need to leave
[01:46] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks!
[01:47] <akgraner> looks like people some people are able to get back to ubuntu.news.org now
[01:48] <akgraner> dang when you have to change the DNS stuff it takes forever for things to update it seems
[01:52] <highvoltage> akgraner: it's been working fine for me for the last 3 hours or so
[01:52] <akgraner> awesome - jcastro couldn't see it ye
[01:52] <akgraner> yet
[02:42] <akgraner> woo hoo - all current fridge editors have been added as editors to the new site
[05:32] <nhandler> akgraner: Did you see my question about the fridge/loco calendars?
[06:49] <popey> oooo, i spy a podcast embed :)
[08:30] <akgraner> nhandler, I don't remember if I did or not.  Can you repeat your question?  :-/
[08:40] <popey> 21:11:04 < nhandler> akgraner: I'm moving loco events from the fridge calendar to the loco calendar. I've copied them, should I remove them from the fridge calendar as well?
[08:42] <akgraner> popey, thanks!  nhandler yes :-) and thank you....
[09:15]  * popey notes akgraner made a typo in bug 564099
[09:16] <akgraner> hehe
[09:16] <akgraner> and sigh
[09:16] <popey> kinda important typo to be fair
[09:16] <akgraner> fixed
[09:17] <akgraner> I know
[09:17]  * akgraner goes to get some more sleep
[09:19] <akgraner> popey, thanks for letting me know  - the hehe was more nervous DAMN IT laughter... not - whatever not important laughter :-)
[09:21] <popey> np
[09:29]  * popey lols at further typos from akgraner :)
[09:29] <popey> bless, not having a good day are you?
[13:28] <akgraner> popey, it's Monday - guaranteed to much comic relief today :-/  One way or another :-)
[13:29] <popey> :)
[13:29] <popey> happy days
[13:29] <akgraner> always - :-D
[13:29] <akgraner> ok so I set up all the editors last night
[13:30] <akgraner> It was suggested that we make sure we have a group of people small team if you will who can handle bugs filed against the new site
[13:32] <akgraner> so if you are interested in putting your name on the list of people who can help with that  - in the meantime - popey, nhandler, nick, newz2000,  pleia2 and myself is who I'll list for those things
[13:33] <popey> sure
[13:36] <akgraner> I have to be honest - I am not as gracious about bug reports as some of the developers.  I don't know how they don't take some of the remarks personally.
[13:37] <akgraner> I am always in awe and wonder how they do that
[13:44] <akgraner> Hey all I am moving stuff from the wiki to the eitherpad to get it all set to go out today - I'm using the etherpad so if any one wants and has time to help we wont have editing conflicts
[13:47] <akgraner> Actually I'll move it all to the eitherpad - and then if you all want to help me clean it up  - that would rock
[13:55] <akgraner> ok the items as is are on the etherpad  - could use a hand with a few a few things if someone has time
[13:58] <popey> akgraner: url?
[13:59] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[13:59] <popey> what needs doing?
[13:59] <akgraner> I'm working on the General Community news section now
[14:00] <akgraner> if you could look at the upcoming meetings at the bottom or if you prefer pick another section that needs summaries that would be great
[14:00] <akgraner> there are links without summaries
[14:02] <popey> launchpad news?
[14:08] <akgraner> that is pulled from Launchpad blog
[14:08] <akgraner> http://blog.launchpad.net/
[14:09] <akgraner> I haven't looked to see if there is anything yet
[14:10] <akgraner> Also b/c the release was on Sunday  - 10.10.10 which I think is cool  - the release news will be stale if we wait a week - so if there are LoCo news about release parties or the posts about the release we are going to include them as well - Normally Sunday's stuff would wait til next week
[14:17] <popey> I've added some text about the launchpad posts, dunno if thats useful
[14:18] <akgraner> Thanks - but somehow the template got messed up Launchpad news is supposed to be under LoCo News
[14:18] <akgraner> hmm
[14:18] <akgraner> oh well I'll move it
[14:19] <akgraner> or did you move it just to work on it?
[14:19] <akgraner> no worries it's an easy fix :-)
[14:22] <akgraner> popey, that's a big help
[14:24] <akgraner> popey can you see if workswithU or OMG ubuntu had anything the last two weeks that is still current that we haven't covered in what we have in this issue now that we need to put in there
[14:24] <akgraner> those two would go under In the Blogosphere if there is anything
[14:28] <alourie> good afternoon
[14:45] <akgraner> alourie, hey!
[14:45] <akgraner> how are you
[14:49] <popey> sorry, dragged away by work
[14:49] <popey> stupid work stuff :)
[14:56] <alourie> akgraner: Hi Amber
[14:56] <alourie> I'm good
[14:56] <alourie> how's everything?
[14:56] <akgraner> popey, don't you hate it when real life gets in the way of all you Ubuntu fun :-P
[14:56] <akgraner> alourie, good just touching up issue 213
[14:58] <alourie> akgraner: is it the previous one or the current one?
[14:59] <akgraner> alourie, 213 will be a combination of the last 2 weeks
[14:59] <alourie> ah
[14:59] <alourie> ok then
[14:59] <akgraner> and we're including sunday posts as well
[14:59] <alourie> I think we're ready
[14:59] <akgraner> this issue is weird
[14:59] <alourie> he
[14:59] <akgraner> b/c of it the release day falling on a sunday
[14:59] <akgraner> not quite - the upcoming meetings need updating
[14:59] <alourie> why is it weird?
[15:00] <akgraner> b/c normally Sunday news would be in issue 214
[15:00] <alourie> by "we're ready" I meant In the press
[15:00] <akgraner> b/c we report on Sunday through Saturday
[15:00] <alourie> :-)
[15:00] <alourie> right
[15:00] <akgraner> alourie, yep you all are
[15:00] <akgraner> :-)
[15:00] <alourie> akgraner: need help in other topics?
[15:01] <akgraner> alourie, can you verify the upcoming meetings and events?
[15:01] <akgraner> I can show ya how
[15:03] <akgraner> alourie, go here - http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/
[15:06] <alourie> akgraner: ok,
[15:06] <akgraner> and look at October 12th - 19th
[15:06] <akgraner> make sure what is listed there matches what we have here - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[15:07] <akgraner> if we have something listed that isn't on the calendar just delete if from the etherpad
[15:09] <alourie> ok
[15:11] <akgraner> thank you
[15:12] <akgraner> please let me know if you have questions - you'll see how we format everythin
[15:13] <alourie> sure
[15:14] <alourie> akgraner: ok, so now we have nothing :-)
[15:14] <akgraner> ???
[15:15] <akgraner> nothing as in questions
[15:16] <akgraner> and I need to find a beginner team member there stuff is on the calendar twice
[15:16] <alourie> hm
[15:16] <alourie> On etherpad this whole section is empty...
[15:17] <akgraner> nope I'm looking at it
[15:18] <alourie> hm
[15:18] <akgraner> hmmm
[15:19] <akgraner> can you see it now
[15:19] <akgraner> what is the last line you see
[15:20] <alourie> should I refresh or something?
[15:20] <akgraner> ahh yes
[15:20] <akgraner> try that
[15:21] <alourie> hold on
[15:21] <alourie> ah
[15:21] <alourie> that's better
[15:25] <alourie> wow, there's a lot to fix
[15:27] <akgraner> :-)
[15:27] <akgraner> whew :-)
[15:27] <alourie> no problem
[15:40] <akgraner> popey did you all record and publish a podcast after September 25th?
[15:44] <popey> no
[15:51] <akgraner> thanks
[15:51] <alourie> akgraner: done
[15:51] <akgraner> alourie, thanks!
[15:52] <alourie> for some reason it includes today
[15:52] <alourie> maybe it should be removed.
[15:52] <alourie> oh
[15:52] <alourie> hold on, I've missed 18th and 19th
[15:52] <alourie> give me a sec
[15:59] <alourie> akgraner: should I include 19th? It's Tue already
[16:00] <akgraner> nah - b/c this will go out before the Tuesday meetings and this thing is going to be huge
[16:01] <akgraner> what you don't see is the team meetings :-)  those are on the wiki
[16:03] <alourie> akgraner: ok, then it's done. Check though why does it have the Mon, 11th? (which is today). If it should be there, I'll move it to the beginning
[16:04] <akgraner> no it's left over you need to change the date to the 18th
[16:05] <akgraner> nm I copied it twice
[16:05] <akgraner> it's gone
[16:07] <alourie> akgraner: then I'm done
[16:09] <alourie> anything else? I have few spare moments of my life :-)
[16:12] <akgraner> hmmm - can't think of anything right this second  - just finishing up the summaries that are in there and will go through my rss feeds to find LoCo team news
[16:12] <alourie> akgraner: cool, next time then
[16:12] <akgraner> yeppers thanks!
[16:13] <alourie> akgraner: can I have a personal request?
[17:02] <nhandler> akgraner: I know you have talked to the DC loco before, but should we notify them that we've moved their events from the fridge -> loco calendar? Or are they already aware that we are doing this?
[17:03] <akgraner> nhandler, we need no notify them - there is a couple of other loco's we need to contact as well
[17:04] <nhandler> akgraner: There weren't any other LoCo events I saw (I only looked for the next month or so).
[17:04] <akgraner> ah ok - I noticed one a few weeks ago but I guess that didn't have a reoccuring event
[17:05] <akgraner> if someone adds something going forward we can move it and send out a reminder
[17:05] <akgraner> until people get used the change
[17:05] <akgraner> make senses
[17:05] <akgraner> heading to lunch - bbiab
[17:05] <nhandler> akgraner: What is the LoCo Calendar needs to be populated task? It already has some loco events?
[18:00] <akgraner> nhandler, I wanted to add as many re-occurring team meetings as possible then just ask the teams to verify the information and see if we are missing anything
[18:01] <nhandler> akgraner: That might be a bit tricky since short of going through all the team wikis and LD pages, we have no easy way to do that. It might be easier to just send out an email about the LoCo calendar (but be prepared for the people who are loyal to the LD to complain about another location to keep updated)
[18:02] <akgraner> I know... :-)
[18:02] <akgraner> I'm not worried about their events at the moment
[18:05] <akgraner> newz2000, any news on the re-direct?
[18:06] <newz2000> akgraner: no, sorry. Fewer people than usual today because of the US holiday
[18:06] <akgraner> or questions about who needs what access?  Also who should get the email with the backups
[18:06] <newz2000> No, I don't think I have any questions
[18:07] <akgraner> Completely forgot it's a Holiday
[18:07] <akgraner> DOH!
[18:08] <newz2000> Yeah, 10.10 was a clever but unfortunate date to release
[18:09] <akgraner> no kidding :-)
[18:22] <nhandler> akgraner: I was thinking that we should now encourage users to use the WP comments to comment on stories. This would mean we don't need to go back and edit in the forum link. We can keep the forum posts around for people who prefer those over WP comments, but I don't see a need to link to them
[18:22] <nhandler> This will also significantly (at least for me) decrease the amount of time it takes to publish stories
[18:22] <akgraner> I totally agree
[18:23] <nhandler> akgraner: Great. I'll take care of making sure it gets documented as I'm making my various sets of instructions
[18:23] <akgraner> thank you!
[18:23] <akgraner> going through 2 weeks of feeds it a bit slow this morning b/c I'm also keeping an eye on Open week
[18:25] <nhandler> akgraner: Should we be linking to Lubuntu under 'Ubuntu Flavors' ? It is still a separate project
[18:27] <akgraner> well Ubuntu Studio is too right - I mean is it a fully supported flavor?
[18:27] <akgraner> I thought only Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu were the "official" supported flavors - but I could be making that up as well
[18:27]  * akgraner is tired
[18:29] <akgraner> I can remove it if you want and only use the ones mentioned in the release announcement
[18:29] <akgraner> which is probably the correct and more right thing to do
[18:30] <pleia2> last I heard there was drafting of a "how to become supported" rules since it was never clearly defined
[18:30] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep.
[18:31] <pleia2> you can get the blessing of the CC on a derivative project (mythbuntu, studio)
[18:31] <nhandler> Personally, I would go off of the Recognized derivatives section on http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives
[18:31] <pleia2> but the legacy ones, I'm not sure
[18:31] <pleia2> ah nice, I didn't know about that page :)
[18:31] <nhandler> That at least lets us (fridge) have a firm policy about which derivatives we are including
[18:31]  * pleia2 nods
[18:33] <zkriesse> hallo newsies
[18:33] <nhandler> Hey zkriesse
[18:33] <zkriesse> Heya's dude
[18:35] <zkriesse> Man...forums are flooded with the typical, "HELP!!!! ME!!!!" lol
[18:45] <akgraner> nhandler, I like it
[18:45] <akgraner> I can't make the change right this second - tweaking a survey
[18:45] <akgraner> but feel free to if you have time
[18:47] <nhandler> akgraner: I just did the change. I'm also playing around with some other changes (showing tags instead of categories and including a login link for fridge editors)
[18:47] <akgraner> gotcha - thanks!!
[19:14] <nhandler> akgraner: For the About page, it seems redundant to list the contact information twice. We should also clarify what type of stuff editor.ubuntu.news@gmail.com should be used for (as little as possible imo, ubuntu-news-team@ should be used whenever possible)
[19:15] <akgraner> I agree but people don't like sending things to a public list
[19:15] <akgraner> I know I didn't when I first started contributing.. b/c I saw the dog pile effect and worried about that
[19:17] <akgraner> So I wanted people (non-developers and people who don't hang out on irc or use mailing lists) to have another comfortable way to contribute
[19:18] <akgraner> I would rather send to an email where there aren't just "lurkers" if I am taking time to submit something publicly
[19:18] <akgraner> especially if I am not familiar with the people who are doing the editing
[19:24] <akgraner> I hope people just use the form for news - we have an editors email on LP that we can use
[19:24] <akgraner> right now I think corey is the only one sub'd to it
[19:27] <nhandler> akgraner: But is that email account still neccessary if people can submit stuff directly to WP (where there won't be an archive of the submission and they can remain anonymous if desired) ? If you think that there is a large enough use case of people who prefer to submit stuff via email instead of directly to WP and who are paranoid about having a public archive of the email, I guess we could leave it (I just am worried ...
[19:27] <nhandler> ... that the emails will not get seen) and VERY clearly document this use case on the wiki
[19:28] <akgraner> hmm how about combining joining and getting involved - and we just have a separate contact page
[19:29] <akgraner> no not necessary to submit news
[19:30] <akgraner> nhandler, I trust you  - you can just fix and I am sure it will be awesome :-)   (I am sure I am the minority case use)
[19:30] <akgraner> The devil is in the details ;-)  and we'll get them all worked out I'm sure
[19:31] <akgraner> you all rock!!!
[19:31] <nhandler> akgraner: :) I'm just trying to keep you (and us) from going crazy trying to check a million places for news. Crazy People != Good Editors :)
[19:32] <akgraner> hehehe and you are doing a great job - thanks a million!!!
[19:32] <akgraner> I appreciate it
[19:32] <nhandler> Thanks Amber
[19:32] <nhandler> You too
[19:34] <akgraner> hey all - here is the survey I'll put up in a few  - keep in mind I can only have 10 questions its a free account - gotta run get my kids - but let me know it it still needs tweaking - http://ubuntu-news.org/about/
[19:34] <akgraner> bbiab
[19:49] <cody-somerville> How we login to ubuntu-news.org? I get 'OpenID login failed: Server denied check_authentication'.
[19:56] <zkriesse> ok this is a bit news-ish
[19:56] <zkriesse> the new wiki theme is terrible
[20:33] <nhandler> cody-somerville: I think each user needs to add an OpenID url before that works. Let me check out your account
[21:37] <MichealH> akgraner: The /topic is out of date!
[21:38] <akgraner> MichealH, I know - thanks!
[21:38] <MichealH> akgraner: Im back! :)
[21:38] <akgraner> fixing something else at the moment
[21:38] <MichealH> I just remembered of -news
[21:40] <MichealH> akgraner: Wheres the latedt newspage?
[21:40] <MichealH> *latest
[21:42] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you
[21:42] <nhandler> :)
[21:42] <akgraner> MichealH, can't talk right this sec
[21:43] <MichealH> akgraner: I understand
[21:43] <MichealH> nhandler: Thanks
[22:17] <highvoltage> Thanks to whoever did the planet descriptions, etc
[22:17] <highvoltage> (I can't see since they come from etherpad)
[22:17] <highvoltage> life and work juts happened way too much today!
[22:17] <highvoltage> (especially considering it's supposed to be a public holiday)
[22:46] <akgraner> highvoltage, it happens :-)  that's why we have a team
[22:46] <akgraner> I've moved them to the wiki
[22:46] <akgraner> you can see the etherpad it's public
[22:58] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN is where everything was being worked on earlier
[22:59] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas is where people can add suggestions
[22:59] <akgraner> I'm fixing the In this Issue section on the 1st link now  - in case anyone wants to see what you have to do
[22:59] <akgraner> then I'll publish
[23:00] <highvoltage> ok
[23:48] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[23:48] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue213
[23:48] <akgraner> I'll add it to all the other places after I get back from the airport - gotta go pick my hubby up
[23:49] <akgraner> Thanks everyone  - we should be back on track now
[23:50] <akgraner> if there is something screwed up in this issue - y'all please fix it :-)  I'll be away from my keyboard for a while - but will post the other mailing lists forums and Fridge when I get back :-)
[23:51] <akgraner> nhandler, can you drop the survey link in the topic please?  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=1x9NE1y7Qe52nlsr4btCyw_3d_3d
[23:51] <akgraner> Improving Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Survey
[23:52] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah. Give me one minute to finish up something for UOW-es first
[23:52] <akgraner> that's fine it can be tomorrow
[23:52] <akgraner> I just need to run
[23:52] <nhandler> akgraner: Should it be in -chat too?
[23:53] <akgraner> nope this on is for UWN
[23:53] <akgraner> I'll get you the one for Open Week tomorrow
[23:53] <nhandler> akgraner: Oh, duh. I'm thinking I'm in -backstage ;)
[23:53] <akgraner> hehe :-)