| Chaos2358 | hey i guess you guys would be the best to ask how do i change my identity password? i was loging in and the window switched and quite a few people in #ubuntu commented about having my pw | 00:40 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (pitoow) | 01:13 |
| ubottu | Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (rootie1) | 02:45 |
| IdleOne | Flannel: you around? | 03:05 |
| IdleOne | any ops around? | 03:05 |
| Flannel | IdleOne: Whats up? | 03:07 |
| IdleOne | going to pm | 03:07 |
| * SilverFox tips his hat | 04:33 | |
| KB1JWQ | Lot of nonsense in the channel tonight it would seem. :-/ | 05:18 |
| persia | Releases are special | 05:18 |
| KB1JWQ | Apparently so. | 05:18 |
| Jordan_U | windowshasyou in #ubuntu may be a troll | 06:32 |
| maco | w/ a nick like that? no way! | 06:33 |
| bazhang | he is | 06:33 |
| bazhang | bragging about it in ##linux (again) | 06:35 |
| Jordan_U | I am torn between wanting to correct misinformation and not wanting to feed the troll. | 06:36 |
| persia | You will improve the world disabusing the postulants of misinformation, but at personal cost of dealing with the troll | 06:39 |
| bazhang | got him in PM | 06:41 |
| maco | i think "i haz da code" shutted him up a bit | 06:42 |
| bazhang | if he continues, I'll remove him. no need to continue feeding; this is the 2nd time he's done this in recent days | 06:42 |
| maco | well as persia said, there's the "stopping the fud" thing | 06:43 |
| bazhang | first time a simple PM was enough to get him to stop. hopefully now as well | 06:43 |
| * persia gives maco 14 concision points | 06:46 | |
| maco | persia: conciseness just went boom | 06:48 |
| * persia refutes "consiseness" as a word: "concision: to cut away or off" is the word. | 06:49 | |
| persia | Has been for > 700 years: I'm sure "conciseness" is a relative neologism. | 06:50 |
| bazhang | most of the folks in that channel are nice and respectful, just a small core that refer to morontu and organize troll raids periodically (crytptopsy/anal_christ, et al) | 06:58 |
| Jordan_U | StunnedByNews is trolling in #ubuntu | 07:46 |
| jussi | Jordan_U: is it still an issue? | 07:58 |
| Jordan_U | jussi: No. | 07:59 |
| elky | topyli, let me guess, I'm not allowed to crush his little soul. | 10:54 |
| topyli | hehe | 10:54 |
| elky | topyli, I was tempted to say that I've been using the precursor to the USB Installer since it was "just some script the devs had been fiddling with" but I figured that'd need too much explaining | 10:59 |
| elky | er, USB Creator | 10:59 |
| topyli | better to just keeps smiling :) | 11:00 |
| topyli | -s | 11:00 |
| elky | I can crush souls while maintaining a smile. It's a skill. | 11:00 |
| persia | But can you do it without that special rictus taking over, and while avoiding the frightening laugh? | 11:01 |
| jpds | elky: And seals? | 11:01 |
| elky | jpds, lol. | 11:02 |
| elky | <person1> check out Jono's new album <person1> it's AWESOME <person2> person1: is that the guy from Severed Fifth? | 11:21 |
| elky | I cannot adequately express how miserable that exchange makes me. | 11:21 |
| persia | In what forum did that happen? | 11:33 |
| elky | the -au-chat irc channel. | 11:34 |
| persia | #u-au-c? Oh my, indeed, that is truly unfortunate. | 11:34 |
| elky | Yes, Jono's name is more recognised in the casual .au ubuntu users as "the guy from Severed Fifth". :( | 11:37 |
| elky | Oh, and this guy knows about Severed Fifth from the ustream things. I get the feeling from clicking on stuff for the ubuntu facebook page. | 11:38 |
| jussi | ikonia: ping ping ping | 12:04 |
| ikonia | pong pong pong | 12:04 |
| ikonia | ???? | 12:04 |
| jpds | Surely you guys should be using ping6 by now? | 12:05 |
| ikonia | ha | 12:05 |
| jussi | jpds: nice... | 12:08 |
| persia | !ping6 | 12:16 |
| * persia suspects the bot of not being ready for network changes | 12:16 | |
| Jordan_U | Quincy in #ubuntu appears to have been a (failed) spammer. He's gone now but you might want to flag him in case he comes back. | 12:31 |
| ikonia | muted him as he just came back | 12:32 |
| ikonia | talking to him in pm | 12:34 |
| ikonia | don't think we'll have any problems from him, so I removed the mute, he was very helpful and honest in pm | 12:37 |
| ikonia | has xchat been removed from the livecd ? | 12:39 |
| ikonia | and IdleOne just did a desktop upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 and it hid the software souces as you said | 12:39 |
| topyli | i don't think there's an irc client on the cd :( | 12:43 |
| persia | ikonia, xchat hasn't been on the livecd since pre-hardy | 12:43 |
| persia | Err, pre-Dapper | 12:43 |
| topyli | xchat-gnome is in main, xchat is in universe | 12:43 |
| * persia hasn't checked warty and hoary, and isn't going to do so | 12:43 | |
| persia | topyli, empathy has an IRC interface | 12:44 |
| ikonia | persia: very surprised | 12:44 |
| topyli | sure | 12:44 |
| ikonia | why was an IRC client dropped fofr IRC use over an IM client ? | 12:44 |
| topyli | i guess empathy is enough for joining #ubuntu and asking for help | 12:44 |
| ikonia | ha ha, I doubt it ;) | 12:45 |
| persia | I think the {$something-else}->pidgin transition happened for dapper or edgy: something about having fewer applications being less confusing. | 12:45 |
| persia | pidgin -> empathy is more recent, but not really about dedicated IRC client anymore. | 12:45 |
| ikonia | I'm out of date on the livecd in a big way it would seem | 12:45 |
| ikonia | I wonder if it's worth putting a bug or feature request in to have an irc client included | 12:46 |
| topyli | well pidgin is pretty good with irc, empathy not so much | 12:46 |
| persia | topyli, We call that a bug :) | 12:46 |
| topyli | Bug #49374: please remove irc support | 12:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 49374 in Launchpad CSCVS "cscvs abuses iter_inventory" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49374 | 12:47 |
| topyli | duh | 12:47 |
| Pici | pidgin was good with IRC? | 12:48 |
| persia | Pici, provided an acceptable interface when compared against xchat-gnome for basic use. | 12:48 |
| topyli | it's okay if you're not an operator anyway, and if you don't join too many channels | 12:48 |
| topyli | s/anyway/anywhere/ | 12:48 |
| Pici | persia: I know, I'm being a bit sarcastic. Er, or something ;) | 12:49 |
| persia | Can even work for being operator, if the channel is mostly calm and behaved | 12:49 |
| persia | Pici, Ah. Sorry :) | 12:49 |
| ikonia | is it worth logging a bug to get something like xchat back, or am I being over fussy ? | 12:50 |
| persia | ikonia, ENOSPACE is the most likely answer to such a request. | 12:50 |
| ikonia | why ? | 12:50 |
| persia | Because there's never enough space on the CD for everything anyway. | 12:50 |
| Pici | Improve holographic storage and make it affordable and you've got a deal. | 12:51 |
| ikonia | I appreciate space is a premium, but I'm wondering how big xchat is and irc is pretty core for support | 12:51 |
| ikonia | (or an atual irc client, doesn't have to be xchat) | 12:51 |
| ikonia | actual | 12:51 |
| topyli | it would probably be xchat-gnome anyway, as xchat is not even in main | 12:52 |
| Pici | How poor is empathy's IRC support, or is it just that you need to create an 'account' and thats too much work? | 12:54 |
| ikonia | Pici: in my view, both, but that's just me | 12:55 |
| jussi | Pici: its horrible to use, in addition to being very confusing. | 12:55 |
| persia | topyli, "main" is just an artificial construct: trivial to move things back and forth. | 12:55 |
| topyli | Pici: it's pretty poor as it doesn't support most commands | 12:56 |
| jussi | I spoke to the empathy guys about IRC last UDS and they agreed that it needs a lot of work. | 12:58 |
| topyli | at some point there was a plan to build a separate MUC client for telepathy that would handle all kinds of chatrooms | 13:00 |
| topyli | that way empathy would remain its cute and simple self. i liked the idea | 13:01 |
| Pici | IRC isn't cute or simple. | 13:01 |
| jussi | Ive a feeling people will want to use webchat more and more, and perhaps we should see if we can make that work somehow. | 13:02 |
| persia | The telepathy guys are almost always happy to have new implementations of UIs: if someone were to write a (tiny) telepathy IRC inteface, it might even fit on the CD. | 13:02 |
| persia | And since it's middle-layer compatible with empathy, I suspect the empathy guys would not be concerned. | 13:03 |
| * Pici thinks about using openID/LP for auth instead of a captcha for webchat | 13:03 | |
| topyli | as a bonus, the client would handle jabber rooms and the proprietary IM spamrooms | 13:03 |
| jussi | Even if we try get with freenode and make it better | 13:03 |
| jussi | Pici: thats a brilliant idea | 13:03 |
| elky | topyli, like AOL? | 13:14 |
| topyli | elky: like aol :) | 13:14 |
| Pici | AOL Keyword TROLLING | 13:14 |
| elky | AOL trolls us all just by existing. | 13:15 |
| Pici | jussi, ts2, tsimpson: Looks like ubottu reports maverick as the default packageinfo release in private, but not in #ubuntu | 13:57 |
| ts2 | @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease | 13:58 |
| ubottu | lucid | 13:58 |
| ts2 | *sigh* | 13:58 |
| ts2 | @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease maverick | 13:58 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 13:58 |
| Pici | ts2: And wherever else it may need to be updated I guess. | 13:59 |
| ts2 | i'm having a look | 13:59 |
| Pici | (@channel works? I thought it was @config channel) | 13:59 |
| ts2 | 'config' is the plugin the command is in | 14:00 |
| Pici | Well I guess I was just doing it the long way then. | 14:01 |
| ts2 | you only need to do that when multiple plugins have the command | 14:01 |
| ts2 | should all be set to maverick now | 14:13 |
| Pici | ts2: Thanks :) | 14:14 |
| Pici | Yeah, I know about the multiple plugin thing. For some reason I thought it was just an argument to @config, as @config is its own command too. | 14:15 |
| ts2 | well, the config plugin has the config command | 14:16 |
| ts2 | supybot make nothing simple | 14:16 |
| ikonia | angryjew in #ubuntuforums | 15:44 |
| ikonia | who's got ops in there as I suspect a problem user | 15:44 |
| * ikonia nudges jdong | 15:47 | |
| * ikonia thanks pici | 15:48 | |
| Pici | ikonia: yw | 15:48 |
| ikonia | no idea who that was | 15:48 |
| Pici | ikonia: jdong has an annoying script that ops him up when ! o p s gets called. | 15:48 |
| ikonia | oh, I suppose that could be handy if no-ones awake, scare people off | 15:48 |
| ubottu | ilovefairuz called the ops in #ubuntu (foxjazz) | 16:03 |
| maco | Tm_T: YOURE A JUSSI TOO?! | 16:55 |
| knome | lawl | 16:56 |
| Pici | maco: Hes probably a real Jussi though. | 16:56 |
| maco | heh true | 16:56 |
| jpds | Who's juicy? | 16:59 |
| * jpds runs. | 16:59 | |
| Pici | :D | 16:59 |
| topyli | beware, he probably will now lead ubuntu-fi for 25 years! | 17:10 |
| lhavelund | :O | 17:12 |
| lhavelund | uhoh | 17:14 |
| knome | lot | 17:30 |
| knome | hmm | 17:30 |
| knome | transcriber fail | 17:30 |
| jpds | You're doing voice-to-text for IRC?!? | 17:33 |
| * jpds tries to picture someone saying "lol" for that. | 17:33 | |
| lahwran | omgwow! I just joined from the webchat, only channel was #ubuntu, and it took me there! what did you guys do? :D | 17:36 |
| Pici | Huh? | 17:37 |
| Pici | lahwran: You mean why didn't you drop into some channel for webchat users? | 17:37 |
| lahwran | Pici: it didn't take me to the anti-proxy channel :) | 17:37 |
| lahwran | yes | 17:38 |
| Pici | lahwran: We're trying something different. | 17:38 |
| lahwran | I see. | 17:38 |
| * lahwran likes it | 17:38 | |
| uLinux | Can someone unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic? I was banned fews months(?) ago but I regret it | 17:39 |
| uLinux | i think i was trolling | 17:39 |
| Pici | uLinux: one moment, let me take a look. | 17:39 |
| ikonia | uLinux: why where you just trying to troll #ubuntu-classroom-chat | 17:40 |
| uLinux | ikonia: what d you mean | 17:40 |
| ikonia | uLinux: you where told what the topic of the channel was, yet you then wanted to start asking questions about bill gates ? | 17:40 |
| uLinux | ikonia: i asked if i could ask i didnt ask | 17:41 |
| uLinux | that is not trolling (i suppose | 17:41 |
| ikonia | uLinux: after you'd just been told what the topic off the channel was | 17:41 |
| ikonia | which was about the classroom that was in session | 17:41 |
| ikonia | why did you even ask after you'd been told 15 seconds earlier the topic | 17:41 |
| uLinux | short memory | 17:41 |
| ikonia | looks to me like you enjoy trying to push the rules of the channels | 17:42 |
| uLinux | or maybe ppl are too serious | 17:42 |
| ikonia | no, they are the channel rules | 17:42 |
| uLinux | i do not enjoy | 17:42 |
| ikonia | it looks like you can't follow them | 17:42 |
| ikonia | then don't join the channels with strict rules | 17:42 |
| ikonia | once you know you don't like the rules, leave the channel | 17:42 |
| ikonia | don't sit there trying to push the rules or bait people | 17:42 |
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| jpds | Lcawte2: Hi. | 18:03 |
| Lcawte2 | Hi | 18:03 |
| ubottu | ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-women (nozes doing this in #ubuntu channels, do not click) | 18:10 |
| Tm_T | maco: I'm the Jussi, yes | 18:37 |
| IdleOne | ikonia: thanks for the confirmation on the software sources being hidden. | 19:04 |
| IdleOne | after upgrade to 10.10 | 19:05 |
| nozes | Pici, wanted to join the channel # ubuntu | 19:05 |
| Pici | nozes: And? | 19:05 |
| nozes | I'm banned | 19:06 |
| Pici | Necrosan: If you don't have a pending issue, you may want to not that we state our no-idling policy in the topic. | 19:06 |
| Pici | nozes: Do you know why you are banned? | 19:06 |
| nozes | yes | 19:07 |
| nozes | /amsg | 19:07 |
| Necrosan | I don't want to idle, Pici. I want to become a channel operator in #ubuntu. My skillset perfectly matches the criteria needed for success in that situation. | 19:07 |
| nozes | I apologized already | 19:07 |
| nozes | Pici, I apologized, but they would not forgive | 19:08 |
| nozes | ;( | 19:08 |
| Pici | one moment, sorry, need to deal with something at work. | 19:09 |
| nozes | ok | 19:09 |
| nozes | Thank you for your attention | 19:10 |
| Pici | !canibeanop | Necrosan | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Necrosan: If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. | 19:12 |
| Pici | nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels | 19:12 |
| Necrosan | Looks like I will need to do some screwing around with launchpad | 19:13 |
| Necrosan | Thanks . . . | 19:13 |
| Pici | nozes: Does that sound right? | 19:14 |
| IdleOne | that solved that | 19:15 |
| IdleOne | ubottu: SoftSource is <reply> Looking for Software Sources? Right click on the Applications menu and click Edit Menus > Administration and check the box next to Software Sources to add it back to the menu. | 19:15 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: ubottu: SoftSource is <reply> Looking for Software Sources? Right click on the Applications menu and click Edit Menus > Administration and check the box next to Software Sources to add it back to the menu. | 19:15 |
| Pici | IdleOne: I thought that it was inside of another tool now. | 19:16 |
| IdleOne | Pici: it can also be accessed from the Update Manager settings but it isn't obvious | 19:16 |
| nozes | <Pici> nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels | 19:17 |
| IdleOne | Some people are creatures of habit and want to see the "old way" | 19:17 |
| nozes | Pici, yes | 19:17 |
| nozes | =/ | 19:17 |
| Pici | nozes: Why? | 19:17 |
| nozes | was a channel for somet | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | It is also in Synaptic Package Manager | 19:18 |
| nozes | but it was for everyone because of / amsg | 19:18 |
| nozes | I will not do it again | 19:18 |
| IdleOne | charlie-tca: yes there are a few ways of getting to the software sources actually | 19:18 |
| Pici | nozes: But it didn't hit the channels at the same time. | 19:19 |
| nozes | perhaps because of my slow internet | 19:20 |
| nozes | My slow internet* | 19:20 |
| Pici | nozes: And your comments to our ops? | 19:21 |
| nozes | what? | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | nozes: you were terribly insulting in private message | 19:22 |
| nozes | pleia2, I called evil, to have me banned from the channel ubuntu-woman | 19:23 |
| nozes | #ubuntu_women | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | you joined asking for dates and then spammed us with that link, it's unacceptable behavior | 19:24 |
| nozes | not want to get into #ubuntu-women | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | calling me "wicked" and "evil" was uncalled for | 19:24 |
| Pici | nozes: Your behaviour in our other channels influences your chances to get back into #ubuntu | 19:25 |
| nozes | pleia2, Forgive me my beautiful | 19:25 |
| nozes | you banned me without even give me a chance to defend himself | 19:25 |
| nozes | Pici, I was banned for posting the youtube link, and the rule which channel? | 19:26 |
| Pici | nozes: #ubuntu is a support channel, not a discussion channel, nor a place for posting random offtopic links. | 19:27 |
| nozes | pleia2, you banned me without even talking to me the reason, really bad things I said, I apologize | 19:28 |
| ts2 | one ban at a time please | 19:28 |
| nozes | Pici, I apologized already, can you forgive me? | 19:28 |
| Pici | nozes: What do you plan to use #ubuntu for? | 19:30 |
| nozes | pleia2, forgive me | 19:30 |
| nozes | not want to offend a girl | 19:30 |
| nozes | Pici, nothing at the moment, not only be banned | 19:31 |
| nozes | I'm banned from # ubuntu and # ubuntu-women | 19:31 |
| nozes | pleia2, can we be friends? | 19:32 |
| IdleOne | nozes: Please focus on the issue and answer Pici questions | 19:33 |
| ts2 | if you dont want to use #ubuntu, you dont need the ban lifted right now | 19:33 |
| Pici | nozes: I'd prefer if you took a look at our channel guidelines, kept them in mind, and returned when you do need support. Then we can talk about unbanning you. | 19:34 |
| Pici | !guidelines > nozes | 19:34 |
| ubottu | nozes, please see my private message | 19:34 |
| nozes | IdleOne, pleia2 to talk to me, I'm answering | 19:34 |
| nozes | Pici, thanks I1m reading | 19:35 |
| nozes | Pici, thanks I'm reading* | 19:35 |
| IdleOne | nozes: The ban in #ubuntu-women is not going to be removed at this time. | 19:36 |
| nozes | IdleOne, OK, I deserved | 19:37 |
| nozes | ;( | 19:37 |
| IdleOne | noza | 19:42 |
| IdleOne | err | 19:42 |
| IdleOne | nozes: I believe Pici made it clear also that the ban in #ubuntu won't be removed at this time either. Please part the channel as there is a no idling rule here. Thank you. | 19:43 |
| nozes | IdleOne, the Pici asked me to read the guidelines, I'm doing it now | 19:45 |
| nozes | I'm finishing | 19:45 |
| nozes | IdleOne, To read this topic: Do not be annoying | 19:48 |
| nozes | hehehe | 19:48 |
| IdleOne | ?? | 19:48 |
| nozes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 19:49 |
| IdleOne | nozes: you can read the guidelines and not be in this channel. | 19:49 |
| IdleOne | highlighting users for no reason is also annoying. | 19:50 |
| nozes | truth! | 19:50 |
| ts2 | nozes: anything else? | 19:50 |
| nozes | ts2, the Pici asked to read, am reading, when finished I will call it | 19:52 |
| nozes | Pici, ready, I've read all the text | 19:54 |
| nozes | what I do now? | 19:54 |
| ts2 | as the ban won't be removed today, you can leave if there's nothing else | 19:56 |
| Pici | Yes. You may return when you actually do need support. | 19:56 |
| Pici | (Sorry, dealing with a test for a go-live here at work) | 19:56 |
| nozes | will it take? | 19:57 |
| nozes | sorry, do not want to occupy your time | 19:57 |
| nozes | ts2, when I come back? | 19:58 |
| IdleOne | 72 hours | 19:58 |
| ts2 | when you want to actually use #ubuntu | 19:59 |
| nozes | ts2, I would like to use, so I'm here | 19:59 |
| ts2 | you said you didn't, just wanted to be unbanned | 20:00 |
| ts2 | regardless, it won't happen today, so come back in a couple of days | 20:00 |
| nozes | ts2, do not want to occupy your time, I will leave, you are very nice, will return tomorrow! a hug! | 20:01 |
| nozes | bye | 20:02 |
| ts2 | bye | 20:02 |
| Pici | Thanks for helping guys, busy here at work. | 20:10 |
| ikonia | 20:52 -!- bruenig [~root@12.177.169.227] has joined #ubuntu | 20:53 |
| ikonia | I thought he was banned ? | 20:53 |
| IdleOne | @bansearch bruenig | 20:54 |
| ubottu | Match: bruenig!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu-offtopic on Aug 21 2009 21:35:47 (ID: 16514) | 20:54 |
| ikonia | I was shure there was one in #ubuntu | 20:54 |
| Pici | Don't call me shirly | 20:55 |
| IdleOne | heh | 20:55 |
| ikonia | don't quote naked gun at me | 20:55 |
| Pici | Airplane | 20:55 |
| ikonia | toche' | 20:55 |
| ikonia | touche' | 20:55 |
| ikonia | looks like the ban was removed | 20:56 |
| ikonia | worth keeping an eye on him, king of the archlinux trolls | 20:56 |
| maco | he was in u-w last nigiht | 20:56 |
| maco | i only remembered that he was a regular in #ubuntu at one point | 20:57 |
| ikonia | bruenig was ? | 21:11 |
| IdleOne | he was | 21:33 |
| ikonia | just read his silly comments | 21:36 |
| IdleOne | yup | 21:37 |
| IdleOne | notice Pinna was inviting users to his channel in #u-r-p yesterday | 21:57 |
| IdleOne | now is in -ot | 21:57 |
| IdleOne | FYI | 21:57 |
| ikonia | I've also spoke to him about it in #u-r-p on the release day and asked him not to recruit in the channels | 21:58 |
| IdleOne | I don't know that he is still doing it | 22:00 |
| IdleOne | but worth keeping an eye open | 22:00 |
| ikonia | IdleOne: I've removed him as I don't want him pm'ing more users until it's resolved | 22:19 |
| IdleOne | ok | 22:19 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, erUSUL said: noupgrade is <reply> If you are in Lucid 10.04 and the upgrade to Maverick 10.10 has not been yet offered to you go to system>administration>software sources to the third tab "Updates". At the bottom change LTS only to normal. Now rerun the update manager. | 22:19 |
| erUSUL | ikonia: hi | 22:20 |
| KillaHaxz | !up | 22:20 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: can you give us a minute | 22:20 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: be with you asap | 22:21 |
| KillaHaxz | hi | 22:21 |
| erUSUL | of course | 22:21 |
| IdleOne | KillaHaxz: is there a good reason why you insist on not helping in the channel? | 22:22 |
| IdleOne | and only in PM | 22:22 |
| KillaHaxz | yes there is. | 22:23 |
| IdleOne | KillaHaxz: We ask that all users avoid getting help in PM because there is no way for the rest of the channel to insure the help being given is not harmful. | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | As I said, the channel is flooded with millions of messages every minute, and as i work on the issue, I loose the original question as there are too many after it. | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | illaHaxz> What is your question? | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> How may I assist you in using ubuntu better to suite you today? | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> KillaHaxz: how can I limit the number of process to one ... on Apache webserver configured with suexec, mod_fcgid | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> May I send u my log | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> ?? | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> http://www.pastebin.com | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> please paste there and send me url | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> http://pastebin.com/nQQgYasB | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> If it keep on like this ... it will be flooded with process ... finally my Ubuntu 10.04 will crash- | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> yeah | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> just a sec. i am reading through it.. | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> thanks ... really stressed ... can't keep on trying forever... would be more than glad if I get any help here | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> ok, ubuntu uses many processes to operate | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> Yes ... | 22:24 |
| ikonia | stop | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> you are trying to make a global limit of 1 | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> that makes ubuntu unable to operate | 22:24 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> But it should be one | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> understand? | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> the kernel is one | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> not exactly | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> the gnome is 2 | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> and many more withing gnome | 22:25 |
| IdleOne | KillaHaxz: stop | 22:25 |
| ikonia | STOP | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> you need a realistic limit | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> Those process with common usern and argument should have only one process | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | that is the help i am giving. | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | okay? | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | stop what? | 22:25 |
| ikonia | flooding the channel | 22:25 |
| IdleOne | stop pasting in here | 22:25 |
| KillaHaxz | i did | 22:26 |
| KillaHaxz | i was just showing you that i am not telling him to do passwd -l root or anything harmful. i just like helping | 22:26 |
| KillaHaxz | i am now asking him why he wishes to impose such a limit. | 22:26 |
| IdleOne | KillaHaxz: here is how it works. Help in channel not in PM, use nick highlighting so that you and the person you are helping can follow | 22:26 |
| IdleOne | I am not saying you will do anything wrong but we need to try and minimize the risks to all users | 22:27 |
| KillaHaxz | Well, I am not a harmful user. | 22:28 |
| KillaHaxz | I am just trying to assist. | 22:28 |
| KillaHaxz | and CAN"T in a channel | 22:29 |
| KillaHaxz | where hundereds of things move my and there posts around while i work | 22:29 |
| IdleOne | then you can't be in #ubuntu asking people to PM you if they need help | 22:29 |
| ikonia | well, hang on | 22:29 |
| topyli | when you help in the channel, others can learn from you. please share :) | 22:30 |
| ikonia | it's ok to take somethings to a pm problems can be complex and offtopic, but offering exclusive help in pm isn't really useful to the community | 22:30 |
| KillaHaxz | yes it is, as then ppl will see that they can come to me with problems and i can help them. then, i will post the q/a on the forum if it seams useful to others | 22:32 |
| ikonia | that's not how the irc channel works | 22:32 |
| KillaHaxz | in the channel, the answer is gone in sec anyways, on forums, it stays | 22:32 |
| ikonia | the channel is self moderating and a community contribution | 22:32 |
| ikonia | I understand that some more complex issues can be taken to a pm, more so if they take the issue away from the ubuntu topic | 22:33 |
| KillaHaxz | point here??? | 22:33 |
| ikonia | but the main help should stay in the channel | 22:33 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: if we let you back into #ubuntu could you please try to help in the main channel | 22:35 |
| KillaHaxz | okay, now how would i go about joining the admin team to make ubuntu better for all, and the irc channel to assist..? | 22:35 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: that's not what I'm disscussing with you at the moment | 22:36 |
| KillaHaxz | seeing as knowing the founder is not enough to even be able to help people as i want | 22:36 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: it doesn't matter who you know | 22:36 |
| IdleOne | I know him also | 22:36 |
| KillaHaxz | yes, i will not help at all then | 22:36 |
| IdleOne | so what | 22:36 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: ok, we'll leave the ban in place then. | 22:36 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: thanks for coming in to talk about it | 22:36 |
| KillaHaxz | then you should know that he wouldn't have wanted this.. | 22:36 |
| ikonia | noted | 22:37 |
| ikonia | I'll actually raise the issue at the next irc council meeting to see if we can get a more clear policy on this | 22:37 |
| KillaHaxz | he wanted it where users can help eachother in the best way that suites them both to meet a common conclussion.. | 22:37 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: again, noted | 22:37 |
| KillaHaxz | no can you lift the ban please? or do i have to use his account to do so? i do have his nickserv pass | 22:38 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: you just said you didn't want to help - so we'll leave it as it is for the moment | 22:38 |
| ts2 | if you dom you will be reported to staff | 22:38 |
| KillaHaxz | dude, i am the staff. try me again..? | 22:38 |
| ikonia | you're not | 22:39 |
| ts2 | network staff | 22:39 |
| ikonia | now I know your wasting time/trolling | 22:39 |
| IdleOne | This is not going anywhere. | 22:39 |
| ikonia | please leave the channel | 22:39 |
| topyli | KillaHaxz: so that you're clear on this, ikonia is not negotiating with you. he is explaining how things work and that's it. | 22:39 |
| ikonia | I'll inform freenode staff that a user it pretending to be staff now | 22:39 |
| KillaHaxz | ok, and i understand that, and i asked to be un-banned and agreed not to help in pm anymore. | 22:40 |
| KillaHaxz | no need. I will pm the staff now | 22:40 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: that's not going to happen as I don't trust you due to the lies you've just told | 22:40 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: please leave the channel | 22:40 |
| KillaHaxz | tgywa> thanks | 22:40 |
| KillaHaxz | <tgywa> Many thanks for ur kind coopertation | 22:40 |
| KillaHaxz | see, my way helps people better | 22:41 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: please don't paste in here | 22:41 |
| ikonia | you've been asked not to | 22:41 |
| KillaHaxz | i have been asked not to flood | 22:41 |
| ikonia | yes, that's true | 22:41 |
| ts2 | fwiw, the IRCC is the "owner" of all Ubuntu channels, not one person | 22:41 |
| KillaHaxz | not to not paste, but noted | 22:41 |
| ikonia | but last time it took you 50+ lines | 22:41 |
| ikonia | hence me telling you earlier | 22:41 |
| KillaHaxz | i did only 2 this time | 22:41 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: anyway, thanks for stopping to discuss this, I will raise it at the next meeting, but if you could leave the channel as there is nothing more to discuss at this time | 22:42 |
| KillaHaxz | i was respectful to the wishes and did not flood | 22:42 |
| ikonia | can you repsect the wishes and leave the channel now | 22:42 |
| ikonia | please | 22:42 |
| KillaHaxz | may we please discuss further first? | 22:42 |
| ikonia | there is nothing more to discuss | 22:42 |
| KillaHaxz | I asked a question with no answer..? | 22:43 |
| KillaHaxz | <KillaHaxz> okay, now how would i go about joining the admin team to make ubuntu better for all, and the irc channel to assist..? | 22:43 |
| IdleOne | !canibeanop | 22:43 |
| ubottu | If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. | 22:43 |
| IdleOne | there you go | 22:43 |
| IdleOne | Now Please leave the channel. | 22:43 |
| ikonia | staff have also been informed about pretending to be staff | 22:44 |
| ikonia | they will be in contact shortly | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | thank you | 22:44 |
| ikonia | welcome | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | and they will not. | 22:44 |
| ikonia | ok | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | Fake nick, not registered, no email, and tored ip | 22:44 |
| ikonia | hi Tabmow | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | try again.. lol | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | later | 22:44 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: thanks for just confirming your troll | 22:44 |
| Tabmow | Hello | 22:44 |
| KillaHaxz | not a troll, just not an idiot when it comes to privacy | 22:45 |
| IdleOne | Can he be removed now? | 22:45 |
| ikonia | and a liar, now please leave the channel, you will not be unbanned and you are not staff | 22:45 |
| KillaHaxz | not a liar? when did i lie? | 22:45 |
| Tabmow | KillaHaxz: impersonating freenode staff is not a wise thing to do. | 22:45 |
| KillaHaxz | I am on the staff, just under a diff nick | 22:45 |
| ikonia | you said you where staff, hence why staff are now invovled | 22:45 |
| KillaHaxz | I am on staff | 22:46 |
| KillaHaxz | on freenode | 22:46 |
| KillaHaxz | not ubuntu | 22:46 |
| highvoltage | heh, any real staff would have their nicks linked | 22:46 |
| KillaHaxz | I don't wish to for privacy reasons | 22:46 |
| Tabmow | KillaHaxz: you are freenode staff? Really? Strange I have never seen you before. | 22:46 |
| ikonia | let leave this to staff to resolve as it's now not our issue, the ubuntu ban will stay, the rest is up to them | 22:46 |
| ts2 | the'd use a cloak | 22:46 |
| KillaHaxz | nof if one of the staff would pm me now, i would tell them my real nick | 22:46 |
| Tabmow | I can definitely do that. | 22:46 |
| KillaHaxz | i just responded with my nick, but you are not staff | 22:49 |
| KillaHaxz | only me, gary and lorez are | 22:49 |
| ikonia | ok, can you guys take this elsewhere to deal with please | 22:49 |
| KillaHaxz | i already did pm him, he didn't respond | 22:49 |
| ikonia | KillaHaxz: please leave this channel, we are done here | 22:49 |
| * ikonia looks to ts2 and topyli | 22:49 | |
| ikonia | thanks | 22:50 |
| highvoltage | yay | 22:50 |
| ikonia | Tabmow: thanks for coming in, up to you how you deal with him now | 22:50 |
| KillaHaxz | !up | 22:50 |
| Seeker` | bwahahaha? | 22:50 |
| ikonia | there we go | 22:50 |
| ikonia | if he's staff, he can unkline himself | 22:50 |
| ikonia | Tabmow: appreciated, thank you very much | 22:50 |
| ts2 | I had to download the script | 22:50 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: you there ? | 22:51 |
| Tabmow | No problems | 22:51 |
| erUSUL | ikonia: yes | 22:52 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: sorry, that took longer than expected | 22:52 |
| ikonia | banned in #ubuntu now | 22:52 |
| erUSUL | no problem | 22:52 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: any chance you can try to intergrate what you're saying into the !install factoid | 22:53 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: I've updated the docs that !install points to, which explains what you are trying to do | 22:53 |
| Seeker` | ikonia: could do with more of us beign ops in here, don't you think? :P | 22:53 |
| ikonia | ha | 22:53 |
| Seeker` | *cough* | 22:54 |
| erUSUL | how a problem ( missconfiguration) trying to upgrade would have to do with a fresh install? you mean !upgrade ? | 22:54 |
| ikonia | I'll speak to the admin of that shell provider now | 22:54 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: sorry, I meant !upgrade | 22:55 |
| ikonia | been a long few days | 22:55 |
| ts2 | go add ideas (or note that the current requirement for core is enough) to the wiki page | 22:55 |
| tomaw | reklined. | 22:56 |
| ikonia | nice | 22:56 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, erUSUL said: no, upgrade is For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade | 22:56 |
| ikonia | speaking to admins now too | 22:56 |
| erUSUL | soz.... copy paste error | 22:56 |
| Jordan_U | CaptainKnots in #ubuntu is likely a bot. | 22:56 |
| ikonia | I'll have a look now | 22:57 |
| ikonia | thanks | 22:57 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, erUSUL said: no, upgrade is For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade. Note that if you installed a LTS release you may have normal upgrades disabled (limited to only LTS releases) you can enable them in Software Sources' Updates tab. | 22:58 |
| ubottu | sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (CaptainKnots seems to be a bot) | 22:58 |
| Jordan_U | You're welcome. | 22:58 |
| Seeker` | ikonia: set a quiet in #u for captainknows, but I have to disappear | 22:59 |
| ikonia | Seeker`: ta | 22:59 |
| Seeker` | ikonia: you'll remove it as/when is necessary? | 23:00 |
| ikonia | no problem | 23:00 |
| Seeker` | ty :)have fun | 23:00 |
| ikonia | !logs > kisom_dev | 23:04 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: before I get that factoid added, I'm going to see if IdleOne will update the upgrade nodes further explaining how to get software sources back | 23:05 |
| erUSUL | it is not there anymore? in maverick ? | 23:05 |
| * erUSUL still in lucid | 23:05 | |
| ikonia | erUSUL: nope | 23:05 |
| erUSUL | :/ | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | what you want to update? | 23:06 |
| ikonia | !logs | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | want me* | 23:06 |
| erUSUL | but there is a button to get to it in the software center; isn't it? | 23:06 |
| ikonia | IdleOne: the upgrade wiki page I did the other night | 23:06 |
| ikonia | add some info on re-enabling software sources | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | looking now | 23:06 |
| erUSUL | Edit>software Sources | 23:07 |
| erUSUL | ikonia: anyway the tip is for someone still in lucid... | 23:07 |
| erUSUL | ikonia: with upgrade to normal releases disabled ( default in fresh installs) | 23:08 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: ahh yes, that's a fair point, I hadn't seen that | 23:08 |
| ikonia | 9.10 is a normal release, I thought that had "normal" enabled by default | 23:08 |
| erUSUL | ikonia: people ask why had not been offered the upgrade yet... | 23:08 |
| ikonia | because you can only go from 10.04 | 23:09 |
| ikonia | you can't go from 9.19 | 23:09 |
| ikonia | 9.10 | 23:09 |
| ikonia | as 10.04 is lts...... | 23:09 |
| erUSUL | so the edit can go as is ? | 23:09 |
| ikonia | yeah, I think so | 23:10 |
| ikonia | I didn't realise exactly what you where saying | 23:10 |
| ikonia | although IdleOne could still add his info please | 23:10 |
| ikonia | erUSUL: give me 5 minutes and I'll sort it, just sorting 2 other things out | 23:10 |
| IdleOne | ikonia: from what i am reading the notes from 10.04 to 10.10 tell the user to change from LTS only to Normal releases already | 23:10 |
| ikonia | IdleOne: ignore me, I'm being an idiot | 23:11 |
| ikonia | it's there in 10.04 | 23:11 |
| IdleOne | no problem | 23:12 |
| IdleOne | my thing is after the upgrade th Software Sources are hidden | 23:12 |
| IdleOne | in the menu | 23:12 |
| ikonia | yup | 23:12 |
| ikonia | it's me being stupid | 23:12 |
| IdleOne | nahh just being over worked :P | 23:13 |
| ikonia | IdleOne: removed your +q on that user as he's klined | 23:13 |
| IdleOne | thanks. | 23:13 |
| ikonia | fyi: devious shell admin's are really easy to work with and helpful | 23:15 |
| ikonia | worth noting for any other future issues | 23:15 |
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