[00:40] <Chaos2358> hey i guess you guys would be the best to ask how do i change my identity password? i was loging in and the window switched and quite a few people in #ubuntu commented about having my pw
[03:05] <IdleOne> Flannel: you around?
[03:05] <IdleOne> any ops around?
[03:07] <Flannel> IdleOne: Whats up?
[03:07] <IdleOne> going to pm
[04:33]  * SilverFox tips his hat
[05:18] <KB1JWQ> Lot of nonsense in the channel tonight it would seem. :-/
[05:18] <persia> Releases are special
[05:18] <KB1JWQ> Apparently so.
[06:32] <Jordan_U> windowshasyou in #ubuntu may be a troll
[06:33] <maco> w/ a nick like that? no way!
[06:33] <bazhang> he is
[06:35] <bazhang> bragging about it in ##linux (again)
[06:36] <Jordan_U> I am torn between wanting to correct misinformation and not wanting to feed the troll.
[06:39] <persia> You will improve the world disabusing the postulants of misinformation, but at personal cost of dealing with the troll
[06:41] <bazhang> got him in PM
[06:42] <maco> i think "i haz da code" shutted him up a bit
[06:42] <bazhang> if he continues, I'll remove him. no need to continue feeding; this is the 2nd time he's done this in recent days
[06:43] <maco> well as persia said, there's the "stopping the fud" thing
[06:43] <bazhang> first time a simple PM was enough to get him to stop. hopefully now as well
[06:46]  * persia gives maco 14 concision points
[06:48] <maco> persia: conciseness just went boom
[06:49]  * persia refutes "consiseness" as a word: "concision: to cut away or off" is the word.
[06:50] <persia> Has been for > 700 years: I'm sure "conciseness" is a relative neologism.
[06:58] <bazhang> most of the folks in that channel are nice and respectful, just a small core that refer to morontu and organize troll raids periodically (crytptopsy/anal_christ, et al)
[07:46] <Jordan_U> StunnedByNews is trolling in #ubuntu
[07:58] <jussi> Jordan_U: is it still an issue?
[07:59] <Jordan_U> jussi: No.
[10:54] <elky> topyli, let me guess, I'm not allowed to crush his little soul.
[10:54] <topyli> hehe
[10:59] <elky> topyli, I was tempted to say that I've been using the precursor to the USB Installer since it was "just some script the devs had been fiddling with" but I figured that'd need too much explaining
[10:59] <elky> er, USB Creator
[11:00] <topyli> better to just keeps smiling :)
[11:00] <topyli> -s
[11:00] <elky> I can crush souls while maintaining a smile. It's a skill.
[11:01] <persia> But can you do it without that special rictus taking over, and while avoiding the frightening laugh?
[11:01] <jpds> elky: And seals?
[11:02] <elky> jpds, lol.
 check out Jono's new album <person1> it's AWESOME <person2> person1: is that the guy from Severed Fifth?
[11:21] <elky> I cannot adequately express how miserable that exchange makes me.
[11:33] <persia> In what forum did that happen?
[11:34] <elky> the -au-chat irc channel.
[11:34] <persia> #u-au-c?  Oh my, indeed, that is truly unfortunate.
[11:37] <elky> Yes, Jono's name is more recognised in the casual .au ubuntu users as "the guy from Severed Fifth". :(
[11:38] <elky> Oh, and this guy knows about Severed Fifth from the ustream things. I get the feeling from clicking on stuff for the ubuntu facebook page.
[12:04] <jussi> ikonia: ping ping ping
[12:04] <ikonia> pong pong pong
[12:04] <ikonia> ????
[12:05] <jpds> Surely you guys should be using ping6 by now?
[12:05] <ikonia> ha
[12:08] <jussi> jpds: nice...
[12:16] <persia> !ping6
[12:16]  * persia suspects the bot of not being ready for network changes
[12:31] <Jordan_U> Quincy in #ubuntu appears to have been a (failed) spammer. He's gone now but you might want to flag him in case he comes back.
[12:32] <ikonia> muted him as he just came back
[12:34] <ikonia> talking to him in pm
[12:37] <ikonia> don't think we'll have any problems from him, so I removed the mute, he was very helpful and honest in pm
[12:39] <ikonia> has xchat been removed from the livecd ?
[12:39] <ikonia> and IdleOne just did a desktop upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 and it hid the software souces as you said
[12:43] <topyli> i don't think there's an irc client on the cd :(
[12:43] <persia> ikonia, xchat hasn't been on the livecd since pre-hardy
[12:43] <persia> Err, pre-Dapper
[12:43] <topyli> xchat-gnome is in main, xchat is in universe
[12:43]  * persia hasn't checked warty and hoary, and isn't going to do so
[12:44] <persia> topyli, empathy has an IRC interface
[12:44] <ikonia> persia: very surprised
[12:44] <topyli> sure
[12:44] <ikonia> why was an IRC client dropped fofr IRC use over an IM client ?
[12:44] <topyli> i guess empathy is enough for joining #ubuntu and asking for help
[12:45] <ikonia> ha ha, I doubt it ;)
[12:45] <persia> I think the {$something-else}->pidgin transition happened for dapper or edgy: something about having fewer applications being less confusing.
[12:45] <persia> pidgin -> empathy is more recent, but not really about dedicated IRC client anymore.
[12:45] <ikonia> I'm out of date on the livecd in a big way it would seem
[12:46] <ikonia> I wonder if it's worth putting a bug or feature request in to have an irc client included
[12:46] <topyli> well pidgin is pretty good with irc, empathy not so much
[12:46] <persia> topyli, We call that a bug :)
[12:47] <topyli> Bug #49374: please remove irc support
[12:47] <topyli> duh
[12:48] <Pici> pidgin was good with IRC?
[12:48] <persia> Pici, provided an acceptable interface when compared against xchat-gnome for basic use.
[12:48] <topyli> it's okay if you're not an operator anyway, and if you don't join too many channels
[12:48] <topyli> s/anyway/anywhere/
[12:49] <Pici> persia: I know, I'm being a bit sarcastic.  Er, or something ;)
[12:49] <persia> Can even work for being operator, if the channel is mostly calm and behaved
[12:49] <persia> Pici, Ah.  Sorry :)
[12:50] <ikonia> is it worth logging a bug to get something like xchat back, or am I being over fussy ?
[12:50] <persia> ikonia, ENOSPACE is the most likely answer to such a request.
[12:50] <ikonia> why ?
[12:50] <persia> Because there's never enough space on the CD for everything anyway.
[12:51] <Pici> Improve holographic storage and make it affordable and you've got a deal.
[12:51] <ikonia> I appreciate space is a premium, but I'm wondering how big xchat is and irc is pretty core for support
[12:51] <ikonia> (or an atual irc client, doesn't have to be xchat)
[12:51] <ikonia> actual
[12:52] <topyli> it would probably be xchat-gnome anyway, as xchat is not even in main
[12:54] <Pici> How poor is empathy's IRC support, or is it just that you need to create an 'account' and thats too much work?
[12:55] <ikonia> Pici: in my view, both, but that's just me
[12:55] <jussi> Pici: its horrible to use, in addition to being very confusing.
[12:55] <persia> topyli, "main" is just an artificial construct: trivial to move things back and forth.
[12:56] <topyli> Pici: it's pretty poor as it doesn't support most commands
[12:58] <jussi> I spoke to the empathy guys about IRC last UDS and they agreed that it needs a lot of work.
[13:00] <topyli> at some point there was a plan to build a separate MUC client for telepathy that would handle all kinds of chatrooms
[13:01] <topyli> that way empathy would remain its cute and simple self. i liked the idea
[13:01] <Pici> IRC isn't cute or simple.
[13:02] <jussi> Ive a feeling people will want to use webchat more and more, and perhaps we should see if we can make that work somehow.
[13:02] <persia> The telepathy guys are almost always happy to have new implementations of UIs: if someone were to write a (tiny) telepathy IRC inteface, it might even fit on the CD.
[13:03] <persia> And since it's middle-layer compatible with empathy, I suspect the empathy guys would not be concerned.
[13:03]  * Pici thinks about using openID/LP for auth instead of a captcha for webchat
[13:03] <topyli> as a bonus, the client would handle jabber rooms and the proprietary IM spamrooms
[13:03] <jussi> Even if we try get with freenode and make it better
[13:03] <jussi> Pici: thats a brilliant idea
[13:14] <elky> topyli, like AOL?
[13:14] <topyli> elky: like aol :)
[13:14] <Pici> AOL Keyword TROLLING
[13:15] <elky> AOL trolls us all just by existing.
[13:57] <Pici> jussi, ts2, tsimpson: Looks like ubottu reports maverick as the default packageinfo release in private, but not in #ubuntu
[13:58] <ts2> @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease
[13:58] <ts2> *sigh*
[13:58] <ts2> @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease maverick
[13:59] <Pici> ts2: And wherever else it may need to be updated I guess.
[13:59] <ts2> i'm having a look
[13:59] <Pici> (@channel works? I thought it was @config channel)
[14:00] <ts2> 'config' is the plugin the command is in
[14:01] <Pici> Well I guess I was just doing it the long way then.
[14:01] <ts2> you only need to do that when multiple plugins have the command
[14:13] <ts2> should all be set to maverick now
[14:14] <Pici> ts2: Thanks :)
[14:15] <Pici> Yeah, I know about the multiple plugin thing.  For some reason I thought it was just an argument to @config, as @config is its own command too.
[14:16] <ts2> well, the config plugin has the config command
[14:16] <ts2> supybot make nothing simple
[15:44] <ikonia> angryjew in #ubuntuforums
[15:44] <ikonia> who's got ops in there as I suspect a problem user
[15:47]  * ikonia nudges jdong
[15:48]  * ikonia thanks pici
[15:48] <Pici> ikonia: yw
[15:48] <ikonia> no idea who that was
[15:48] <Pici> ikonia: jdong has an annoying script that ops him up when ! o p s gets called.
[15:48] <ikonia> oh, I suppose that could be handy if no-ones awake, scare people off
[16:55] <maco> Tm_T: YOURE A JUSSI TOO?!
[16:56] <knome> lawl
[16:56] <Pici> maco: Hes probably a real Jussi though.
[16:56] <maco> heh true
[16:59] <jpds> Who's juicy?
[16:59]  * jpds runs.
[16:59] <Pici> :D
[17:10] <topyli> beware, he probably will now lead ubuntu-fi for 25 years!
[17:12] <lhavelund> :O
[17:14] <lhavelund> uhoh
[17:30] <knome> lot
[17:30] <knome> hmm
[17:30] <knome> transcriber fail
[17:33] <jpds> You're doing voice-to-text for IRC?!?
[17:33]  * jpds tries to picture someone saying "lol" for that.
[17:36] <lahwran> omgwow! I just joined from the webchat, only channel was #ubuntu, and it took me there! what did you guys do? :D
[17:37] <Pici> Huh?
[17:37] <Pici> lahwran: You mean why didn't you drop into some channel for webchat users?
[17:37] <lahwran> Pici: it didn't take me to the anti-proxy channel :)
[17:38] <lahwran> yes
[17:38] <Pici> lahwran: We're trying something different.
[17:38] <lahwran> I see.
[17:38]  * lahwran likes it
[17:39] <uLinux> Can someone unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic? I was banned fews months(?) ago but I regret it
[17:39] <uLinux> i think i was trolling
[17:39] <Pici> uLinux: one moment, let me take a look.
[17:40] <ikonia> uLinux: why where you just trying to troll #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:40] <uLinux> ikonia: what d you mean
[17:40] <ikonia> uLinux: you where told what the topic of the channel was, yet you then wanted to start asking questions about bill gates ?
[17:41] <uLinux> ikonia: i asked if i could ask i didnt ask
[17:41] <uLinux> that is not trolling (i suppose
[17:41] <ikonia> uLinux: after you'd just been told what the topic off the channel was
[17:41] <ikonia> which was about the classroom that was in session
[17:41] <ikonia> why did you even ask after you'd been told 15 seconds earlier the topic
[17:41] <uLinux> short memory
[17:42] <ikonia> looks to me like you enjoy trying to push the rules of the channels
[17:42] <uLinux> or maybe ppl are too serious
[17:42] <ikonia> no, they are the channel rules
[17:42] <uLinux> i do not enjoy
[17:42] <ikonia> it looks like you can't follow them
[17:42] <ikonia> then don't join the channels with strict rules
[17:42] <ikonia> once you know you don't like the rules, leave the channel
[17:42] <ikonia> don't sit there trying to push the rules or bait people
[18:03] <jpds> Lcawte2: Hi.
[18:03] <Lcawte2> Hi
[18:37] <Tm_T> maco: I'm the Jussi, yes
[19:04] <IdleOne> ikonia: thanks for the confirmation on the software sources being hidden.
[19:05] <IdleOne> after upgrade to 10.10
[19:05] <nozes> Pici, wanted to join the channel # ubuntu
[19:05] <Pici> nozes: And?
[19:06] <nozes> I'm banned
[19:06] <Pici> Necrosan: If you don't have a pending issue, you may want to not that we state our no-idling policy in the topic.
[19:06] <Pici> nozes: Do you know why you are banned?
[19:07] <nozes> yes
[19:07] <nozes>  /amsg
[19:07] <Necrosan> I don't want to idle, Pici. I want to become a channel operator in #ubuntu. My skillset perfectly matches the criteria needed for success in that situation.
[19:07] <nozes> I apologized already
[19:08] <nozes> Pici, I apologized, but they would not forgive
[19:08] <nozes> ;(
[19:09] <Pici> one moment, sorry, need to deal with something at work.
[19:09] <nozes> ok
[19:10] <nozes> Thank you for your attention
[19:12] <Pici> !canibeanop | Necrosan
[19:12] <Pici> nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels
[19:13] <Necrosan> Looks like I will need to do some screwing around with launchpad
[19:13] <Necrosan> Thanks . . .
[19:14] <Pici> nozes: Does that sound right?
[19:15] <IdleOne> that solved that
[19:15] <IdleOne> ubottu: SoftSource is <reply> Looking for Software Sources? Right click on the Applications menu and click Edit Menus > Administration and check the box next to Software Sources to add it back to the menu.
[19:16] <Pici> IdleOne: I thought that it was inside of another tool now.
[19:16] <IdleOne> Pici: it can also be accessed from the Update Manager settings but it isn't obvious
 nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels
[19:17] <IdleOne> Some people are creatures of habit and want to see the "old way"
[19:17] <nozes> Pici, yes
[19:17] <nozes> =/
[19:17] <Pici> nozes: Why?
[19:17] <nozes> was a channel for somet
[19:18] <charlie-tca> It is also in Synaptic Package Manager
[19:18] <nozes> but it was for everyone because of / amsg
[19:18] <nozes> I will not do it again
[19:18] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: yes there are a few ways of getting to the software sources actually
[19:19] <Pici> nozes: But it didn't hit the channels at the same time.
[19:20] <nozes> perhaps because of my slow internet
[19:20] <nozes> My slow internet*
[19:21] <Pici> nozes: And your comments to our ops?
[19:21] <nozes> what?
[19:22] <pleia2> nozes: you were terribly insulting in private message
[19:23] <nozes> pleia2, I called evil, to have me banned from the channel ubuntu-woman
[19:23] <nozes> #ubuntu_women
[19:24] <pleia2> you joined asking for dates and then spammed us with that link, it's unacceptable behavior
[19:24] <nozes> not want to get into #ubuntu-women
[19:24] <pleia2> calling me "wicked" and "evil" was uncalled for
[19:25] <Pici> nozes: Your behaviour in our other channels influences your chances to get back into #ubuntu
[19:25] <nozes> pleia2, Forgive me my beautiful
[19:25] <nozes> you banned me without even give me a chance to defend himself
[19:26] <nozes> Pici, I was banned for posting the youtube link, and the rule which channel?
[19:27] <Pici> nozes: #ubuntu is a support channel, not a discussion channel, nor a place for posting random offtopic links.
[19:28] <nozes> pleia2, you banned me without even talking to me the reason, really bad things I said, I apologize
[19:28] <ts2> one ban at a time please
[19:28] <nozes> Pici, I apologized already, can you forgive me?
[19:30] <Pici> nozes: What do you plan to use #ubuntu for?
[19:30] <nozes> pleia2, forgive me
[19:30] <nozes> not want to offend a girl
[19:31] <nozes> Pici, nothing at the moment, not only be banned
[19:31] <nozes> I'm banned from # ubuntu and # ubuntu-women
[19:32] <nozes> pleia2, can we be friends?
[19:33] <IdleOne> nozes: Please focus on the issue and answer Pici questions
[19:33] <ts2> if you dont want to use #ubuntu, you dont need the ban lifted right now
[19:34] <Pici> nozes: I'd prefer if you took a look at our channel guidelines, kept them in mind, and returned when you do need support.  Then we can talk about unbanning you.
[19:34] <Pici> !guidelines >  nozes
[19:34] <nozes> IdleOne, pleia2  to talk to me, I'm answering
[19:35] <nozes> Pici, thanks I1m reading
[19:35] <nozes> Pici, thanks I'm reading*
[19:36] <IdleOne> nozes: The ban in #ubuntu-women is not going to be removed at this time.
[19:37] <nozes> IdleOne, OK, I deserved
[19:37] <nozes> ;(
[19:42] <IdleOne> noza
[19:42] <IdleOne> err
[19:43] <IdleOne> nozes: I believe Pici made it clear also that the ban in #ubuntu won't be removed at this time either. Please part the channel as there is a no idling rule here. Thank you.
[19:45] <nozes> IdleOne, the Pici asked me to read the guidelines, I'm doing it now
[19:45] <nozes> I'm finishing
[19:48] <nozes> IdleOne, To read this topic: Do not be annoying
[19:48] <nozes> hehehe
[19:48] <IdleOne> ??
[19:49] <nozes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[19:49] <IdleOne> nozes: you can read the guidelines and not be in this channel.
[19:50] <IdleOne> highlighting users for no reason is also annoying.
[19:50] <nozes> truth!
[19:50] <ts2> nozes: anything else?
[19:52] <nozes> ts2, the Pici asked to read, am reading, when finished I will call it
[19:54] <nozes> Pici, ready, I've read all the text
[19:54] <nozes> what I do now?
[19:56] <ts2> as the ban won't be removed today, you can leave if there's nothing else
[19:56] <Pici> Yes. You may return when you actually do need support.
[19:56] <Pici> (Sorry, dealing with a test for a go-live here at work)
[19:57] <nozes> will it take?
[19:57] <nozes> sorry, do not want to occupy your time
[19:58] <nozes> ts2, when I come back?
[19:58] <IdleOne> 72 hours
[19:59] <ts2> when you want to actually use #ubuntu
[19:59] <nozes> ts2, I would like to use, so I'm here
[20:00] <ts2> you said you didn't, just wanted to be unbanned
[20:00] <ts2> regardless, it won't happen today, so come back in a couple of days
[20:01] <nozes> ts2, do not want to occupy your time, I will leave, you are very nice, will return tomorrow! a hug!
[20:02] <nozes> bye
[20:02] <ts2> bye
[20:10] <Pici> Thanks for helping guys, busy here at work.
[20:53] <ikonia> 20:52 -!- bruenig [~root@12.177.169.227] has joined #ubuntu
[20:53] <ikonia> I thought he was banned ?
[20:54] <IdleOne> @bansearch bruenig
[20:54] <ikonia> I was shure there was one in #ubuntu
[20:55] <Pici> Don't call me shirly
[20:55] <IdleOne> heh
[20:55] <ikonia> don't quote naked gun at me
[20:55] <Pici> Airplane
[20:55] <ikonia> toche'
[20:55] <ikonia> touche'
[20:56] <ikonia> looks like the ban was removed
[20:56] <ikonia> worth keeping an eye on him, king of the archlinux trolls
[20:56] <maco> he was in u-w last nigiht
[20:57] <maco> i only remembered that he was a regular in #ubuntu at one point
[21:11] <ikonia> bruenig was ?
[21:33] <IdleOne> he was
[21:36] <ikonia> just read his silly comments
[21:37] <IdleOne> yup
[21:57] <IdleOne> notice Pinna was inviting users to his channel in #u-r-p yesterday
[21:57] <IdleOne> now is in -ot
[21:57] <IdleOne> FYI
[21:58] <ikonia> I've also spoke to him about it in #u-r-p on the release day and asked him not to recruit in the channels
[22:00] <IdleOne> I don't know that he is still doing it
[22:00] <IdleOne> but worth keeping an eye open
[22:19] <ikonia> IdleOne: I've removed him as I don't want him pm'ing more users until it's resolved
[22:19] <IdleOne> ok
[22:20] <erUSUL> ikonia: hi
[22:20] <KillaHaxz> !up
[22:20] <ikonia> erUSUL: can you give us a minute
[22:21] <ikonia> erUSUL: be with you asap
[22:21] <KillaHaxz> hi
[22:21] <erUSUL> of course
[22:22] <IdleOne> KillaHaxz: is there a good reason why you insist on not helping in the channel?
[22:22] <IdleOne> and only in PM
[22:23] <KillaHaxz> yes there is.
[22:24] <IdleOne> KillaHaxz: We ask that all users avoid getting help in PM because there is no way for the rest of the channel to insure the help being given is not harmful.
[22:24] <KillaHaxz> As I said, the channel is flooded with millions of messages every minute, and as i work on the issue, I loose the original question as there are too many after it.
[22:24] <KillaHaxz> illaHaxz> What is your question?
 How may I assist you in using ubuntu better to suite you today?
 KillaHaxz: how can I limit the number of process to one ... on Apache webserver configured with suexec, mod_fcgid
 May I send u my log
 ??
 http://www.pastebin.com
 please paste there and send me url
 http://pastebin.com/nQQgYasB
 If it keep on like this ... it will be flooded with process ... finally my Ubuntu 10.04 will crash-
 yeah
 just a sec. i am reading through it..
 thanks ... really stressed ... can't keep on trying forever... would be more than glad if I get any help here
 ok, ubuntu uses many processes to operate
 Yes ...
[22:24] <ikonia> stop
 you are trying to make a global limit of 1
 that makes ubuntu unable to operate
 But it should be one
 understand?
 the kernel is one
 not exactly
 the gnome is 2
 and many more withing gnome
[22:25] <IdleOne> KillaHaxz: stop
[22:25] <ikonia> STOP
 you need a realistic limit
 Those process with common usern and argument should have only one process
[22:25] <KillaHaxz> that is the help i am giving.
[22:25] <KillaHaxz> okay?
[22:25] <KillaHaxz> stop what?
[22:25] <ikonia> flooding the channel
[22:25] <IdleOne> stop pasting in here
[22:26] <KillaHaxz> i did
[22:26] <KillaHaxz> i was just showing you that i am not telling him to do passwd -l root or anything harmful. i just like helping
[22:26] <KillaHaxz> i am now asking him why he wishes to impose such a limit.
[22:26] <IdleOne> KillaHaxz: here is how it works. Help in channel not in PM, use nick highlighting so that you and the person you are helping can follow
[22:27] <IdleOne> I am not saying you will do anything wrong but we need to try and minimize the risks to all users
[22:28] <KillaHaxz> Well, I am not a harmful user.
[22:28] <KillaHaxz> I am just trying to assist.
[22:29] <KillaHaxz> and CAN"T in a channel
[22:29] <KillaHaxz> where hundereds of things move my and there posts around while i work
[22:29] <IdleOne> then you can't be in #ubuntu asking people to PM you if they need help
[22:29] <ikonia> well, hang on
[22:30] <topyli> when you help in the channel, others can learn from you. please share :)
[22:30] <ikonia> it's ok to take somethings to a pm problems can be complex and offtopic, but offering exclusive help in pm isn't really useful to the community
[22:32] <KillaHaxz> yes it is, as then ppl will see that they can come to me with problems and i can help them. then, i will post the q/a on the forum if it seams useful to others
[22:32] <ikonia> that's not how the irc channel works
[22:32] <KillaHaxz> in the channel, the answer is gone in sec anyways, on forums, it stays
[22:32] <ikonia> the channel is self moderating and a community contribution
[22:33] <ikonia> I understand that some more complex issues can be taken to a pm, more so if they take the issue away from the ubuntu topic
[22:33] <KillaHaxz> point here???
[22:33] <ikonia> but the main help should stay in the channel
[22:35] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: if we let you back into #ubuntu could you please try to help in the main channel
[22:35] <KillaHaxz> okay, now how would i go about joining the admin team to make ubuntu better for all, and the irc channel to assist..?
[22:36] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: that's not what I'm disscussing with you at the moment
[22:36] <KillaHaxz> seeing as knowing the founder is not enough to even be able to help people as i want
[22:36] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: it doesn't matter who you know
[22:36] <IdleOne> I know him also
[22:36] <KillaHaxz> yes, i will not help at all then
[22:36] <IdleOne> so what
[22:36] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: ok, we'll leave the ban in place then.
[22:36] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: thanks for coming in to talk about it
[22:36] <KillaHaxz> then you should know that he wouldn't have wanted this..
[22:37] <ikonia> noted
[22:37] <ikonia> I'll actually raise the issue at the next irc council meeting to see if we can get a more clear policy on this
[22:37] <KillaHaxz> he wanted it where users can help eachother in the best way that suites them both to meet a common conclussion..
[22:37] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: again, noted
[22:38] <KillaHaxz> no can you lift the ban please? or do i have to use his account to do so? i do have his nickserv pass
[22:38] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: you just said you didn't want to help - so we'll leave it as it is for the moment
[22:38] <ts2> if you dom you will be reported to staff
[22:38] <KillaHaxz> dude, i am the staff. try me again..?
[22:39] <ikonia> you're not
[22:39] <ts2> network staff
[22:39] <ikonia> now I know your wasting time/trolling
[22:39] <IdleOne> This is not going anywhere.
[22:39] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[22:39] <topyli> KillaHaxz: so that you're clear on this, ikonia is not negotiating with you. he is explaining how things work and that's it.
[22:39] <ikonia> I'll inform freenode staff that a user it pretending to be staff now
[22:40] <KillaHaxz> ok, and i understand that, and i asked to be un-banned and agreed not to help in pm anymore.
[22:40] <KillaHaxz> no need. I will pm the staff now
[22:40] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: that's not going to happen as I don't trust you due to the lies you've just told
[22:40] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: please leave the channel
[22:40] <KillaHaxz> tgywa> thanks
 Many thanks for ur kind coopertation
[22:41] <KillaHaxz> see, my way helps people better
[22:41] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: please don't paste in here
[22:41] <ikonia> you've been asked not to
[22:41] <KillaHaxz> i have been asked not to flood
[22:41] <ikonia> yes, that's true
[22:41] <ts2> fwiw, the IRCC is the "owner" of all Ubuntu channels, not one person
[22:41] <KillaHaxz> not to not paste, but noted
[22:41] <ikonia> but last time it took you 50+ lines
[22:41] <ikonia> hence me telling you earlier
[22:41] <KillaHaxz> i did only 2 this time
[22:42] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: anyway, thanks for stopping to discuss this, I will raise it at the next meeting, but if you could leave the channel as there is nothing more to discuss at this time
[22:42] <KillaHaxz> i was respectful to the wishes and did not flood
[22:42] <ikonia> can you repsect the wishes and leave the channel now
[22:42] <ikonia> please
[22:42] <KillaHaxz> may we please discuss further first?
[22:42] <ikonia> there is nothing more to discuss
[22:43] <KillaHaxz> I asked a question with no answer..?
 okay, now how would i go about joining the admin team to make ubuntu better for all, and the irc channel to assist..?
[22:43] <IdleOne> !canibeanop
[22:43] <IdleOne> there you go
[22:43] <IdleOne> Now Please leave the channel.
[22:44] <ikonia> staff have also been informed about pretending to be staff
[22:44] <ikonia> they will be in contact shortly
[22:44] <KillaHaxz> thank you
[22:44] <ikonia> welcome
[22:44] <KillaHaxz> and they will not.
[22:44] <ikonia> ok
[22:44] <KillaHaxz> Fake nick, not registered, no email, and tored ip
[22:44] <ikonia> hi Tabmow
[22:44] <KillaHaxz> try again.. lol
[22:44] <KillaHaxz> later
[22:44] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: thanks for just confirming your troll
[22:44] <Tabmow> Hello
[22:45] <KillaHaxz> not a troll, just not an idiot when it comes to privacy
[22:45] <IdleOne> Can he be removed now?
[22:45] <ikonia> and a liar, now please leave the channel, you will not be unbanned and you are not staff
[22:45] <KillaHaxz> not a liar? when did i lie?
[22:45] <Tabmow> KillaHaxz: impersonating freenode staff is not a wise thing to do.
[22:45] <KillaHaxz> I am on the staff, just under a diff nick
[22:45] <ikonia> you said you where staff, hence why staff are now invovled
[22:46] <KillaHaxz> I am on staff
[22:46] <KillaHaxz> on freenode
[22:46] <KillaHaxz> not ubuntu
[22:46] <highvoltage> heh, any real staff would have their nicks linked
[22:46] <KillaHaxz> I don't wish to for privacy reasons
[22:46] <Tabmow> KillaHaxz: you are freenode staff? Really? Strange I have never seen you before.
[22:46] <ikonia> let leave this to staff to resolve as it's now not our issue, the ubuntu ban will stay, the rest is up to them
[22:46] <ts2> the'd use a cloak
[22:46] <KillaHaxz> nof if one of the staff would pm me now, i would tell them my real nick
[22:46] <Tabmow> I can definitely do that.
[22:49] <KillaHaxz> i just responded with my nick, but you are not staff
[22:49] <KillaHaxz> only me, gary and lorez are
[22:49] <ikonia> ok, can you guys take this elsewhere to deal with please
[22:49] <KillaHaxz> i already did pm him, he didn't respond
[22:49] <ikonia> KillaHaxz: please leave this channel, we are done here
[22:49]  * ikonia looks to ts2 and topyli 
[22:50] <ikonia> thanks
[22:50] <highvoltage> yay
[22:50] <ikonia> Tabmow: thanks for coming in, up to you how you deal with him now
[22:50] <KillaHaxz> !up
[22:50] <Seeker`> bwahahaha?
[22:50] <ikonia> there we go
[22:50] <ikonia> if he's staff, he can unkline himself
[22:50] <ikonia> Tabmow: appreciated, thank you very much
[22:50] <ts2> I had to download the script
[22:51] <ikonia> erUSUL: you there ?
[22:51] <Tabmow> No problems
[22:52] <erUSUL> ikonia: yes
[22:52] <ikonia> erUSUL: sorry, that took longer than expected
[22:52] <ikonia> banned in #ubuntu now
[22:52] <erUSUL> no problem
[22:53] <ikonia> erUSUL: any chance you can try to intergrate what you're saying into the !install factoid
[22:53] <ikonia> erUSUL: I've updated the docs that !install points to, which explains what you are trying to do
[22:53] <Seeker`> ikonia: could do with more of us beign ops in here, don't you think? :P
[22:53] <ikonia> ha
[22:54] <Seeker`> *cough*
[22:54] <erUSUL> how a problem ( missconfiguration) trying to upgrade would have to do with a fresh install? you mean !upgrade ?
[22:54] <ikonia> I'll speak to the admin of that shell provider now
[22:55] <ikonia> erUSUL: sorry, I meant !upgrade
[22:55] <ikonia> been a long few days
[22:55] <ts2> go add ideas (or note that the current requirement for core is enough) to the wiki page
[22:56] <tomaw> reklined.
[22:56] <ikonia> nice
[22:56] <ikonia> speaking to admins now too
[22:56] <erUSUL> soz.... copy paste error
[22:56] <Jordan_U> CaptainKnots in #ubuntu is likely a bot.
[22:57] <ikonia> I'll have a look now
[22:57] <ikonia> thanks
[22:58] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[22:59] <Seeker`> ikonia: set a quiet in #u for captainknows, but I have to disappear
[22:59] <ikonia> Seeker`: ta
[23:00] <Seeker`> ikonia: you'll remove it as/when is necessary?
[23:00] <ikonia> no problem
[23:00] <Seeker`> ty :)have fun
[23:04] <ikonia> !logs > kisom_dev
[23:05] <ikonia> erUSUL: before I get that factoid added, I'm going to see if IdleOne will update the upgrade nodes further explaining how to get software sources back
[23:05] <erUSUL> it is not there anymore? in maverick ?
[23:05]  * erUSUL still in lucid
[23:05] <ikonia> erUSUL: nope
[23:06] <erUSUL> :/
[23:06] <IdleOne> what you want to update?
[23:06] <ikonia> !logs
[23:06] <IdleOne> want me*
[23:06] <erUSUL> but there is a button to get to it in the software center; isn't it?
[23:06] <ikonia> IdleOne: the upgrade wiki page I did the other night
[23:06] <ikonia> add some info on re-enabling software sources
[23:06] <IdleOne> looking now
[23:07] <erUSUL> Edit>software Sources
[23:07] <erUSUL> ikonia: anyway the tip is for someone still in lucid...
[23:08] <erUSUL> ikonia: with upgrade to normal releases disabled ( default in fresh installs)
[23:08] <ikonia> erUSUL: ahh yes, that's a fair point, I hadn't seen that
[23:08] <ikonia> 9.10 is a normal release, I thought that had "normal" enabled by default
[23:08] <erUSUL> ikonia: people ask why had not been offered the upgrade yet...
[23:09] <ikonia> because you can only go from 10.04
[23:09] <ikonia> you can't go from 9.19
[23:09] <ikonia> 9.10
[23:09] <ikonia> as 10.04 is lts......
[23:09] <erUSUL> so the edit can go as is ?
[23:10] <ikonia> yeah, I think so
[23:10] <ikonia> I didn't realise exactly what you where saying
[23:10] <ikonia> although IdleOne could still add his info please
[23:10] <ikonia> erUSUL: give me 5 minutes and I'll sort it, just sorting 2 other things out
[23:10] <IdleOne> ikonia: from what i am reading the notes from 10.04 to 10.10 tell the user to change from LTS only to Normal releases already
[23:11] <ikonia> IdleOne: ignore me, I'm being an idiot
[23:11] <ikonia> it's there in 10.04
[23:12] <IdleOne> no problem
[23:12] <IdleOne> my thing is after the upgrade th Software Sources are hidden
[23:12] <IdleOne> in the menu
[23:12] <ikonia> yup
[23:12] <ikonia> it's me being stupid
[23:13] <IdleOne> nahh just being over worked :P
[23:13] <ikonia> IdleOne: removed your +q on that user as he's klined
[23:13] <IdleOne> thanks.
[23:15] <ikonia> fyi: devious shell admin's are really easy to work with and helpful
[23:15] <ikonia> worth noting for any other future issues