[00:40] hey i guess you guys would be the best to ask how do i change my identity password? i was loging in and the window switched and quite a few people in #ubuntu commented about having my pw [01:13] sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (pitoow) [02:45] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (rootie1) [03:05] Flannel: you around? [03:05] any ops around? [03:07] IdleOne: Whats up? [03:07] going to pm [04:33] * SilverFox tips his hat [05:18] Lot of nonsense in the channel tonight it would seem. :-/ [05:18] Releases are special [05:18] Apparently so. [06:32] windowshasyou in #ubuntu may be a troll [06:33] w/ a nick like that? no way! [06:33] he is [06:35] bragging about it in ##linux (again) [06:36] I am torn between wanting to correct misinformation and not wanting to feed the troll. [06:39] You will improve the world disabusing the postulants of misinformation, but at personal cost of dealing with the troll [06:41] got him in PM [06:42] i think "i haz da code" shutted him up a bit [06:42] if he continues, I'll remove him. no need to continue feeding; this is the 2nd time he's done this in recent days [06:43] well as persia said, there's the "stopping the fud" thing [06:43] first time a simple PM was enough to get him to stop. hopefully now as well [06:46] * persia gives maco 14 concision points [06:48] persia: conciseness just went boom [06:49] * persia refutes "consiseness" as a word: "concision: to cut away or off" is the word. [06:50] Has been for > 700 years: I'm sure "conciseness" is a relative neologism. [06:58] most of the folks in that channel are nice and respectful, just a small core that refer to morontu and organize troll raids periodically (crytptopsy/anal_christ, et al) [07:46] StunnedByNews is trolling in #ubuntu [07:58] Jordan_U: is it still an issue? [07:59] jussi: No. [10:54] topyli, let me guess, I'm not allowed to crush his little soul. [10:54] hehe [10:59] topyli, I was tempted to say that I've been using the precursor to the USB Installer since it was "just some script the devs had been fiddling with" but I figured that'd need too much explaining [10:59] er, USB Creator [11:00] better to just keeps smiling :) [11:00] -s [11:00] I can crush souls while maintaining a smile. It's a skill. [11:01] But can you do it without that special rictus taking over, and while avoiding the frightening laugh? [11:01] elky: And seals? [11:02] jpds, lol. [11:21] check out Jono's new album it's AWESOME person1: is that the guy from Severed Fifth? [11:21] I cannot adequately express how miserable that exchange makes me. [11:33] In what forum did that happen? [11:34] the -au-chat irc channel. [11:34] #u-au-c? Oh my, indeed, that is truly unfortunate. [11:37] Yes, Jono's name is more recognised in the casual .au ubuntu users as "the guy from Severed Fifth". :( [11:38] Oh, and this guy knows about Severed Fifth from the ustream things. I get the feeling from clicking on stuff for the ubuntu facebook page. [12:04] ikonia: ping ping ping [12:04] pong pong pong [12:04] ???? [12:05] Surely you guys should be using ping6 by now? [12:05] ha [12:08] jpds: nice... [12:16] !ping6 [12:16] * persia suspects the bot of not being ready for network changes [12:31] Quincy in #ubuntu appears to have been a (failed) spammer. He's gone now but you might want to flag him in case he comes back. [12:32] muted him as he just came back [12:34] talking to him in pm [12:37] don't think we'll have any problems from him, so I removed the mute, he was very helpful and honest in pm [12:39] has xchat been removed from the livecd ? [12:39] and IdleOne just did a desktop upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 and it hid the software souces as you said [12:43] i don't think there's an irc client on the cd :( [12:43] ikonia, xchat hasn't been on the livecd since pre-hardy [12:43] Err, pre-Dapper [12:43] xchat-gnome is in main, xchat is in universe [12:43] * persia hasn't checked warty and hoary, and isn't going to do so [12:44] topyli, empathy has an IRC interface [12:44] persia: very surprised [12:44] sure [12:44] why was an IRC client dropped fofr IRC use over an IM client ? [12:44] i guess empathy is enough for joining #ubuntu and asking for help [12:45] ha ha, I doubt it ;) [12:45] I think the {$something-else}->pidgin transition happened for dapper or edgy: something about having fewer applications being less confusing. [12:45] pidgin -> empathy is more recent, but not really about dedicated IRC client anymore. [12:45] I'm out of date on the livecd in a big way it would seem [12:46] I wonder if it's worth putting a bug or feature request in to have an irc client included [12:46] well pidgin is pretty good with irc, empathy not so much [12:46] topyli, We call that a bug :) [12:47] Bug #49374: please remove irc support [12:47] Launchpad bug 49374 in Launchpad CSCVS "cscvs abuses iter_inventory" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49374 [12:47] duh [12:48] pidgin was good with IRC? [12:48] Pici, provided an acceptable interface when compared against xchat-gnome for basic use. [12:48] it's okay if you're not an operator anyway, and if you don't join too many channels [12:48] s/anyway/anywhere/ [12:49] persia: I know, I'm being a bit sarcastic. Er, or something ;) [12:49] Can even work for being operator, if the channel is mostly calm and behaved [12:49] Pici, Ah. Sorry :) [12:50] is it worth logging a bug to get something like xchat back, or am I being over fussy ? [12:50] ikonia, ENOSPACE is the most likely answer to such a request. [12:50] why ? [12:50] Because there's never enough space on the CD for everything anyway. [12:51] Improve holographic storage and make it affordable and you've got a deal. [12:51] I appreciate space is a premium, but I'm wondering how big xchat is and irc is pretty core for support [12:51] (or an atual irc client, doesn't have to be xchat) [12:51] actual [12:52] it would probably be xchat-gnome anyway, as xchat is not even in main [12:54] How poor is empathy's IRC support, or is it just that you need to create an 'account' and thats too much work? [12:55] Pici: in my view, both, but that's just me [12:55] Pici: its horrible to use, in addition to being very confusing. [12:55] topyli, "main" is just an artificial construct: trivial to move things back and forth. [12:56] Pici: it's pretty poor as it doesn't support most commands [12:58] I spoke to the empathy guys about IRC last UDS and they agreed that it needs a lot of work. [13:00] at some point there was a plan to build a separate MUC client for telepathy that would handle all kinds of chatrooms [13:01] that way empathy would remain its cute and simple self. i liked the idea [13:01] IRC isn't cute or simple. [13:02] Ive a feeling people will want to use webchat more and more, and perhaps we should see if we can make that work somehow. [13:02] The telepathy guys are almost always happy to have new implementations of UIs: if someone were to write a (tiny) telepathy IRC inteface, it might even fit on the CD. [13:03] And since it's middle-layer compatible with empathy, I suspect the empathy guys would not be concerned. [13:03] * Pici thinks about using openID/LP for auth instead of a captcha for webchat [13:03] as a bonus, the client would handle jabber rooms and the proprietary IM spamrooms [13:03] Even if we try get with freenode and make it better [13:03] Pici: thats a brilliant idea [13:14] topyli, like AOL? [13:14] elky: like aol :) [13:14] AOL Keyword TROLLING [13:15] AOL trolls us all just by existing. [13:57] jussi, ts2, tsimpson: Looks like ubottu reports maverick as the default packageinfo release in private, but not in #ubuntu [13:58] @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease [13:58] lucid [13:58] *sigh* [13:58] @channel #ubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease maverick [13:58] The operation succeeded. [13:59] ts2: And wherever else it may need to be updated I guess. [13:59] i'm having a look [13:59] (@channel works? I thought it was @config channel) [14:00] 'config' is the plugin the command is in [14:01] Well I guess I was just doing it the long way then. [14:01] you only need to do that when multiple plugins have the command [14:13] should all be set to maverick now [14:14] ts2: Thanks :) [14:15] Yeah, I know about the multiple plugin thing. For some reason I thought it was just an argument to @config, as @config is its own command too. [14:16] well, the config plugin has the config command [14:16] supybot make nothing simple [15:44] angryjew in #ubuntuforums [15:44] who's got ops in there as I suspect a problem user [15:47] * ikonia nudges jdong [15:48] * ikonia thanks pici [15:48] ikonia: yw [15:48] no idea who that was [15:48] ikonia: jdong has an annoying script that ops him up when ! o p s gets called. [15:48] oh, I suppose that could be handy if no-ones awake, scare people off [16:03] ilovefairuz called the ops in #ubuntu (foxjazz) [16:55] Tm_T: YOURE A JUSSI TOO?! [16:56] lawl [16:56] maco: Hes probably a real Jussi though. [16:56] heh true [16:59] Who's juicy? [16:59] * jpds runs. [16:59] :D [17:10] beware, he probably will now lead ubuntu-fi for 25 years! [17:12] :O [17:14] uhoh [17:30] lot [17:30] hmm [17:30] transcriber fail [17:33] You're doing voice-to-text for IRC?!? [17:33] * jpds tries to picture someone saying "lol" for that. [17:36] omgwow! I just joined from the webchat, only channel was #ubuntu, and it took me there! what did you guys do? :D [17:37] Huh? [17:37] lahwran: You mean why didn't you drop into some channel for webchat users? [17:37] Pici: it didn't take me to the anti-proxy channel :) [17:38] yes [17:38] lahwran: We're trying something different. [17:38] I see. [17:38] * lahwran likes it [17:39] Can someone unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic? I was banned fews months(?) ago but I regret it [17:39] i think i was trolling [17:39] uLinux: one moment, let me take a look. [17:40] uLinux: why where you just trying to troll #ubuntu-classroom-chat [17:40] ikonia: what d you mean [17:40] uLinux: you where told what the topic of the channel was, yet you then wanted to start asking questions about bill gates ? [17:41] ikonia: i asked if i could ask i didnt ask [17:41] that is not trolling (i suppose [17:41] uLinux: after you'd just been told what the topic off the channel was [17:41] which was about the classroom that was in session [17:41] why did you even ask after you'd been told 15 seconds earlier the topic [17:41] short memory [17:42] looks to me like you enjoy trying to push the rules of the channels [17:42] or maybe ppl are too serious [17:42] no, they are the channel rules [17:42] i do not enjoy [17:42] it looks like you can't follow them [17:42] then don't join the channels with strict rules [17:42] once you know you don't like the rules, leave the channel [17:42] don't sit there trying to push the rules or bait people === Guest95611 is now known as Lcawte2 [18:03] Lcawte2: Hi. [18:03] Hi [18:10] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-women (nozes doing this in #ubuntu channels, do not click) [18:37] maco: I'm the Jussi, yes [19:04] ikonia: thanks for the confirmation on the software sources being hidden. [19:05] after upgrade to 10.10 [19:05] Pici, wanted to join the channel # ubuntu [19:05] nozes: And? [19:06] I'm banned [19:06] Necrosan: If you don't have a pending issue, you may want to not that we state our no-idling policy in the topic. [19:06] nozes: Do you know why you are banned? [19:07] yes [19:07] /amsg [19:07] I don't want to idle, Pici. I want to become a channel operator in #ubuntu. My skillset perfectly matches the criteria needed for success in that situation. [19:07] I apologized already [19:08] Pici, I apologized, but they would not forgive [19:08] ;( [19:09] one moment, sorry, need to deal with something at work. [19:09] ok [19:10] Thank you for your attention [19:12] !canibeanop | Necrosan [19:12] Necrosan: If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. [19:12] nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels [19:13] Looks like I will need to do some screwing around with launchpad [19:13] Thanks . . . [19:14] nozes: Does that sound right? [19:15] that solved that [19:15] ubottu: SoftSource is Looking for Software Sources? Right click on the Applications menu and click Edit Menus > Administration and check the box next to Software Sources to add it back to the menu. [19:15] In #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: ubottu: SoftSource is Looking for Software Sources? Right click on the Applications menu and click Edit Menus > Administration and check the box next to Software Sources to add it back to the menu. [19:16] IdleOne: I thought that it was inside of another tool now. [19:16] Pici: it can also be accessed from the Update Manager settings but it isn't obvious [19:17] nozes: It looks like you posted a youtube link in a few #ubuntu-* channels [19:17] Some people are creatures of habit and want to see the "old way" [19:17] Pici, yes [19:17] =/ [19:17] nozes: Why? [19:17] was a channel for somet [19:18] It is also in Synaptic Package Manager [19:18] but it was for everyone because of / amsg [19:18] I will not do it again [19:18] charlie-tca: yes there are a few ways of getting to the software sources actually [19:19] nozes: But it didn't hit the channels at the same time. [19:20] perhaps because of my slow internet [19:20] My slow internet* [19:21] nozes: And your comments to our ops? [19:21] what? [19:22] nozes: you were terribly insulting in private message [19:23] pleia2, I called evil, to have me banned from the channel ubuntu-woman [19:23] #ubuntu_women [19:24] you joined asking for dates and then spammed us with that link, it's unacceptable behavior [19:24] not want to get into #ubuntu-women [19:24] calling me "wicked" and "evil" was uncalled for [19:25] nozes: Your behaviour in our other channels influences your chances to get back into #ubuntu [19:25] pleia2, Forgive me my beautiful [19:25] you banned me without even give me a chance to defend himself [19:26] Pici, I was banned for posting the youtube link, and the rule which channel? [19:27] nozes: #ubuntu is a support channel, not a discussion channel, nor a place for posting random offtopic links. [19:28] pleia2, you banned me without even talking to me the reason, really bad things I said, I apologize [19:28] one ban at a time please [19:28] Pici, I apologized already, can you forgive me? [19:30] nozes: What do you plan to use #ubuntu for? [19:30] pleia2, forgive me [19:30] not want to offend a girl [19:31] Pici, nothing at the moment, not only be banned [19:31] I'm banned from # ubuntu and # ubuntu-women [19:32] pleia2, can we be friends? [19:33] nozes: Please focus on the issue and answer Pici questions [19:33] if you dont want to use #ubuntu, you dont need the ban lifted right now [19:34] nozes: I'd prefer if you took a look at our channel guidelines, kept them in mind, and returned when you do need support. Then we can talk about unbanning you. [19:34] !guidelines > nozes [19:34] nozes, please see my private message [19:34] IdleOne, pleia2 to talk to me, I'm answering [19:35] Pici, thanks I1m reading [19:35] Pici, thanks I'm reading* [19:36] nozes: The ban in #ubuntu-women is not going to be removed at this time. [19:37] IdleOne, OK, I deserved [19:37] ;( [19:42] noza [19:42] err [19:43] nozes: I believe Pici made it clear also that the ban in #ubuntu won't be removed at this time either. Please part the channel as there is a no idling rule here. Thank you. [19:45] IdleOne, the Pici asked me to read the guidelines, I'm doing it now [19:45] I'm finishing [19:48] IdleOne, To read this topic: Do not be annoying [19:48] hehehe [19:48] ?? [19:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [19:49] nozes: you can read the guidelines and not be in this channel. [19:50] highlighting users for no reason is also annoying. [19:50] truth! [19:50] nozes: anything else? [19:52] ts2, the Pici asked to read, am reading, when finished I will call it [19:54] Pici, ready, I've read all the text [19:54] what I do now? [19:56] as the ban won't be removed today, you can leave if there's nothing else [19:56] Yes. You may return when you actually do need support. [19:56] (Sorry, dealing with a test for a go-live here at work) [19:57] will it take? [19:57] sorry, do not want to occupy your time [19:58] ts2, when I come back? [19:58] 72 hours [19:59] when you want to actually use #ubuntu [19:59] ts2, I would like to use, so I'm here [20:00] you said you didn't, just wanted to be unbanned [20:00] regardless, it won't happen today, so come back in a couple of days [20:01] ts2, do not want to occupy your time, I will leave, you are very nice, will return tomorrow! a hug! [20:02] bye [20:02] bye [20:10] Thanks for helping guys, busy here at work. [20:53] 20:52 -!- bruenig [~root@12.177.169.227] has joined #ubuntu [20:53] I thought he was banned ? [20:54] @bansearch bruenig [20:54] Match: bruenig!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu-offtopic on Aug 21 2009 21:35:47 (ID: 16514) [20:54] I was shure there was one in #ubuntu [20:55] Don't call me shirly [20:55] heh [20:55] don't quote naked gun at me [20:55] Airplane [20:55] toche' [20:55] touche' [20:56] looks like the ban was removed [20:56] worth keeping an eye on him, king of the archlinux trolls [20:56] he was in u-w last nigiht [20:57] i only remembered that he was a regular in #ubuntu at one point [21:11] bruenig was ? [21:33] he was [21:36] just read his silly comments [21:37] yup [21:57] notice Pinna was inviting users to his channel in #u-r-p yesterday [21:57] now is in -ot [21:57] FYI [21:58] I've also spoke to him about it in #u-r-p on the release day and asked him not to recruit in the channels [22:00] I don't know that he is still doing it [22:00] but worth keeping an eye open [22:19] IdleOne: I've removed him as I don't want him pm'ing more users until it's resolved [22:19] ok [22:19] In ubottu, erUSUL said: noupgrade is If you are in Lucid 10.04 and the upgrade to Maverick 10.10 has not been yet offered to you go to system>administration>software sources to the third tab "Updates". At the bottom change LTS only to normal. Now rerun the update manager. [22:20] ikonia: hi [22:20] !up [22:20] erUSUL: can you give us a minute [22:21] erUSUL: be with you asap [22:21] hi [22:21] of course [22:22] KillaHaxz: is there a good reason why you insist on not helping in the channel? [22:22] and only in PM [22:23] yes there is. [22:24] KillaHaxz: We ask that all users avoid getting help in PM because there is no way for the rest of the channel to insure the help being given is not harmful. [22:24] As I said, the channel is flooded with millions of messages every minute, and as i work on the issue, I loose the original question as there are too many after it. [22:24] illaHaxz> What is your question? [22:24] How may I assist you in using ubuntu better to suite you today? [22:24] KillaHaxz: how can I limit the number of process to one ... on Apache webserver configured with suexec, mod_fcgid [22:24] May I send u my log [22:24] ?? [22:24] http://www.pastebin.com [22:24] please paste there and send me url [22:24] http://pastebin.com/nQQgYasB [22:24] If it keep on like this ... it will be flooded with process ... finally my Ubuntu 10.04 will crash- [22:24] yeah [22:24] just a sec. i am reading through it.. [22:24] thanks ... really stressed ... can't keep on trying forever... would be more than glad if I get any help here [22:24] ok, ubuntu uses many processes to operate [22:24] Yes ... [22:24] stop [22:24] you are trying to make a global limit of 1 [22:24] that makes ubuntu unable to operate [22:25] But it should be one [22:25] understand? [22:25] the kernel is one [22:25] not exactly [22:25] the gnome is 2 [22:25] and many more withing gnome [22:25] KillaHaxz: stop [22:25] STOP [22:25] you need a realistic limit [22:25] Those process with common usern and argument should have only one process [22:25] that is the help i am giving. [22:25] okay? [22:25] stop what? [22:25] flooding the channel [22:25] stop pasting in here [22:26] i did [22:26] i was just showing you that i am not telling him to do passwd -l root or anything harmful. i just like helping [22:26] i am now asking him why he wishes to impose such a limit. [22:26] KillaHaxz: here is how it works. Help in channel not in PM, use nick highlighting so that you and the person you are helping can follow [22:27] I am not saying you will do anything wrong but we need to try and minimize the risks to all users [22:28] Well, I am not a harmful user. [22:28] I am just trying to assist. [22:29] and CAN"T in a channel [22:29] where hundereds of things move my and there posts around while i work [22:29] then you can't be in #ubuntu asking people to PM you if they need help [22:29] well, hang on [22:30] when you help in the channel, others can learn from you. please share :) [22:30] it's ok to take somethings to a pm problems can be complex and offtopic, but offering exclusive help in pm isn't really useful to the community [22:32] yes it is, as then ppl will see that they can come to me with problems and i can help them. then, i will post the q/a on the forum if it seams useful to others [22:32] that's not how the irc channel works [22:32] in the channel, the answer is gone in sec anyways, on forums, it stays [22:32]