| Alan | Hmm, i'm sure this isn't correct... I'm getting massive lag between damage and redraw... | 00:32 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | Massive, as in…? | 00:38 |
| Alan | as in a noticable proportion of a second | 00:39 |
| Alan | wasn't getting it in Lucid | 00:39 |
| Alan | actually, I have to say, everything feel a bit "jerkier" in the whole of Maverick, not sure what significant things have changed... | 00:40 |
| Alan | (I don't mean graphics performance, i mean random mega IO waits/deadlocks) | 00:40 |
| RAOF | Are you playing with btrfs? | 00:40 |
| Alan | nope | 00:40 |
| Alan | ext4 | 00:40 |
| Alan | Also, Xft's font rendering really isn't ready for a font like Ubuntu | 00:44 |
| Alan | It renders like crap at pretty much any setting | 00:44 |
| Alan | (And i still don't get why ubuntu ships with "slight" hinting by default) | 00:44 |
| RAOF | Neither do I; none FTW! | 00:45 |
| Alan | it's a shame, because it's a nice font | 00:45 |
| Alan | none? | 00:45 |
| Alan | I use full | 00:45 |
| RAOF | (This is one reason why “slight” is the default :)) | 00:45 |
| Alan | Full hinting + DejaVu Sans + switching font DPI to 75 = small and readable | 00:45 |
| Alan | if you have a sharp LCD display anyway | 00:46 |
| Alan | http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/screenshot_002.png | 00:46 |
| Alan | as an example | 00:46 |
| RAOF | Yeah; I find that looks annoyingly pixel-gridded. | 00:47 |
| Alan | The problem is that there is a massive gulf between 1:1 pixel mapping where things look sharp, and large-enough-that-you-can-see-the-shape | 00:48 |
| Alan | and in that gulf everything looks either deformed or blurry | 00:48 |
| RAOF | Whereas I like: http://cooperteam.net/Screenshot.png | 00:49 |
| Alan | but it's so fuzzy! | 00:51 |
| Alan | Then again, it's also very DPI-dependenty | 00:51 |
| Alan | that looks fuzzy on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor | 00:52 |
| RAOF | Yeah. My primary display is ~140 DPI | 00:52 |
| Alan | yeah, DPI is always much more preferable to hinting | 00:52 |
| Alan | You can get away without hinting at that kind of resolution | 00:52 |
| Alan | but on a 96-DPI monitor, it looks fuzzy as hell | 00:53 |
| Alan | what is that, 12" laptop with an external monitor? | 00:53 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 00:53 |
| Alan | 1366x768? | 00:53 |
| RAOF | 1440x900 | 00:53 |
| Alan | ooh | 00:53 |
| RAOF | x200s FTW! | 00:54 |
| Alan | yeah | 00:54 |
| Alan | damn them | 00:54 |
| Alan | the new X200 has 1440x900? | 00:54 |
| Alan | same for the tablet or not? | 00:54 |
| Alan | (I have a X200t) | 00:54 |
| RAOF | I don't know; this laptop is a yearish old and things have changed. | 00:54 |
| Alan | In fact, as you might have seen, i spent today hacking tablet swivel support... | 00:55 |
| Alan | so is mine | 00:55 |
| Alan | yeah, i hate that nobody really makes things with enough resolution | 00:55 |
| RAOF | Oh, cool. Playing with the xrandr input transformation matrix? | 00:55 |
| RAOF | I'm lusting after the Sony laptop with a 13" 1920x1080 display… that looks good. :) | 00:56 |
| Alan | yeah | 00:56 |
| Alan | I hate all these 15.4" laptops with 1366x768 screens | 00:57 |
| Alan | oh well... | 00:57 |
| Alan | But yeah, i'd agree that I'm finding the ubuntu font a lot more bearable with less hinting on my laptop than i find it on my desktop at any setting... | 00:58 |
| Alan | RAOF: not doing anything too complex, just calls to xrandr and xsetwacom, apart from the fact i need to run something inside the X session to do it now... | 00:59 |
| Alan | so i've got a dbus listener doing that stuff | 00:59 |
| RAOF | Funky! | 01:00 |
| Alan | http://github.com/alanbriolat/tabletswivel | 01:00 |
| Alan | probably a terrible use of the dbus API, but it works | 01:01 |
| Alan | Which is an improvement over Lucid | 01:01 |
| Alan | where xsetwacom would cause the wacom driver to segfault, killing X | 01:01 |
| RAOF | Yay! :X | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | that sounds broken | 01:02 |
| Alan | very much is | 01:03 |
| Alan | However my bug report has been ignored... | 01:03 |
| Alan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/575066 | 01:04 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 575066 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:04 |
| Alan | also got another terrible bug in Lucid that i should report | 01:05 |
| Alan | it's not X related though | 01:05 |
| Alan | (mounting remote filesystems with cifs + copying large files corrupts the copies, using smbclient doesn't) | 01:05 |
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| soreau | mornin folks | 11:28 |
| soreau | having some trouble with xorg-edgers repo. I installed 10.10 fresh, installed xorg-edgers and everything looked great | 11:28 |
| soreau | Even installed a kernel, I was thrilled | 11:29 |
| soreau | rebooted and checked glxinfo, showed gallium everything yes | 11:29 |
| soreau | so I figured forget it and wait for updates | 11:29 |
| soreau | but then I was helping someone else install xorg-edgers and I started referring to my own system | 11:30 |
| soreau | and i noticed, xorg-edgers was nowhere to be found in sources.list | 11:30 |
| soreau | there's no ppa-purge app anywhere to be found either | 11:31 |
| soreau | then I rerun 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and it exits without any error but no packages upgraded | 11:32 |
| soreau | Then I checked /boot, and there is no 2.6.36* kernel! | 11:32 |
| soreau | uname says I'm still on 2.6.35 | 11:32 |
| soreau | So how is ppa-purge and 2.6.36 get mystically removed? | 11:34 |
| knittl | what is my problem when the x-server hangs from time to time | 14:07 |
| knittl | when i kill it with sysrq-k i can see on the consolel: [nouveau] gpu lockup - switching to software fbcon | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Sarvatt or RAOF: Would one of you please have a look at bug 651294? It's currently assigned to -intel, but now someone with ATI says they have the same problem, so either it's not an -intel problem or he's got something different. | 15:14 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 | 15:14 |
| hyperair | uh-oh, i forgot to run ppa-purge on xorg-edgers again | 15:19 |
| * soreau ppa-purges hyperair | 15:25 | |
| hyperair | haha | 15:25 |
| hyperair | soreau: my karmic to lucid upgrade required manual cleanup due to xorg-edgers. | 15:26 |
| soreau | hyperair: You are ppa-purged | 15:26 |
| soreau | also, you did it wrong | 15:26 |
| soreau | ;) | 15:26 |
| * hyperair wonders if soreau has seen the "!wrong" pictures in ##c++ | 15:27 | |
| hyperair | the multitude of "you're doing it wrong" pictures which really cracked me up | 15:27 |
| soreau | hehe | 15:27 |
| soreau | Ive seen a handful of those | 15:27 |
| hyperair | heheh | 15:28 |
| hyperair | there are 20 or so on nolyc =p | 15:28 |
| * soreau looks | 15:28 | |
| hyperair | /msg nolyc !wrong | 15:29 |
| hyperair | just tweak the number at the end of the url | 15:29 |
| soreau | If you cant figure that out.. | 15:32 |
| soreau | Youre doing it wrong | 15:32 |
| hyperair | hehe | 15:33 |
| soreau | Its probably a tossup between http://adrinael.net/wrong5 and http://adrinael.net/wrong15 | 15:35 |
| RAOF | knittl: That's nouveau locking up your GPU (which is why X hangs) but miraculously managing to keep the framebuffer in memory, so the VT works. | 22:47 |
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