[00:32] Hmm, i'm sure this isn't correct... I'm getting massive lag between damage and redraw... [00:38] Massive, as in…? [00:39] as in a noticable proportion of a second [00:39] wasn't getting it in Lucid [00:40] actually, I have to say, everything feel a bit "jerkier" in the whole of Maverick, not sure what significant things have changed... [00:40] (I don't mean graphics performance, i mean random mega IO waits/deadlocks) [00:40] Are you playing with btrfs? [00:40] nope [00:40] ext4 [00:44] Also, Xft's font rendering really isn't ready for a font like Ubuntu [00:44] It renders like crap at pretty much any setting [00:44] (And i still don't get why ubuntu ships with "slight" hinting by default) [00:45] Neither do I; none FTW! [00:45] it's a shame, because it's a nice font [00:45] none? [00:45] I use full [00:45] (This is one reason why “slight” is the default :)) [00:45] Full hinting + DejaVu Sans + switching font DPI to 75 = small and readable [00:46] if you have a sharp LCD display anyway [00:46] http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/screenshot_002.png [00:46] as an example [00:47] Yeah; I find that looks annoyingly pixel-gridded. [00:48] The problem is that there is a massive gulf between 1:1 pixel mapping where things look sharp, and large-enough-that-you-can-see-the-shape [00:48] and in that gulf everything looks either deformed or blurry [00:49] Whereas I like: http://cooperteam.net/Screenshot.png [00:51] but it's so fuzzy! [00:51] Then again, it's also very DPI-dependenty [00:52] that looks fuzzy on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor [00:52] Yeah. My primary display is ~140 DPI [00:52] yeah, DPI is always much more preferable to hinting [00:52] You can get away without hinting at that kind of resolution [00:53] but on a 96-DPI monitor, it looks fuzzy as hell [00:53] what is that, 12" laptop with an external monitor? [00:53] Yup. [00:53] 1366x768? [00:53] 1440x900 [00:53] ooh [00:54] x200s FTW! [00:54] yeah [00:54] damn them [00:54] the new X200 has 1440x900? [00:54] same for the tablet or not? [00:54] (I have a X200t) [00:54] I don't know; this laptop is a yearish old and things have changed. [00:55] In fact, as you might have seen, i spent today hacking tablet swivel support... [00:55] so is mine [00:55] yeah, i hate that nobody really makes things with enough resolution [00:55] Oh, cool. Playing with the xrandr input transformation matrix? [00:56] I'm lusting after the Sony laptop with a 13" 1920x1080 display… that looks good. :) [00:56] yeah [00:57] I hate all these 15.4" laptops with 1366x768 screens [00:57] oh well... [00:58] But yeah, i'd agree that I'm finding the ubuntu font a lot more bearable with less hinting on my laptop than i find it on my desktop at any setting... [00:59] RAOF: not doing anything too complex, just calls to xrandr and xsetwacom, apart from the fact i need to run something inside the X session to do it now... [00:59] so i've got a dbus listener doing that stuff [01:00] Funky! [01:00] http://github.com/alanbriolat/tabletswivel [01:01] probably a terrible use of the dbus API, but it works [01:01] Which is an improvement over Lucid [01:01] where xsetwacom would cause the wacom driver to segfault, killing X [01:01] Yay! :X [01:02] that sounds broken [01:03] very much is [01:03] However my bug report has been ignored... [01:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/575066 [01:04] Launchpad bug 575066 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:05] also got another terrible bug in Lucid that i should report [01:05] it's not X related though [01:05] (mounting remote filesystems with cifs + copying large files corrupts the copies, using smbclient doesn't) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:28] mornin folks [11:28] having some trouble with xorg-edgers repo. I installed 10.10 fresh, installed xorg-edgers and everything looked great [11:29] Even installed a kernel, I was thrilled [11:29] rebooted and checked glxinfo, showed gallium everything yes [11:29] so I figured forget it and wait for updates [11:30] but then I was helping someone else install xorg-edgers and I started referring to my own system [11:30] and i noticed, xorg-edgers was nowhere to be found in sources.list [11:31] there's no ppa-purge app anywhere to be found either [11:32] then I rerun 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and it exits without any error but no packages upgraded [11:32] Then I checked /boot, and there is no 2.6.36* kernel! [11:32] uname says I'm still on 2.6.35 [11:34] So how is ppa-purge and 2.6.36 get mystically removed? [14:07] what is my problem when the x-server hangs from time to time [14:08] when i kill it with sysrq-k i can see on the consolel: [nouveau] gpu lockup - switching to software fbcon [15:14] Sarvatt or RAOF: Would one of you please have a look at bug 651294? It's currently assigned to -intel, but now someone with ATI says they have the same problem, so either it's not an -intel problem or he's got something different. [15:14] Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 [15:19] uh-oh, i forgot to run ppa-purge on xorg-edgers again [15:25] * soreau ppa-purges hyperair [15:25] haha [15:26] soreau: my karmic to lucid upgrade required manual cleanup due to xorg-edgers. [15:26] hyperair: You are ppa-purged [15:26] also, you did it wrong [15:26] ;) [15:27] * hyperair wonders if soreau has seen the "!wrong" pictures in ##c++ [15:27] the multitude of "you're doing it wrong" pictures which really cracked me up [15:27] hehe [15:27] Ive seen a handful of those [15:28] heheh [15:28] there are 20 or so on nolyc =p [15:28] * soreau looks [15:29] /msg nolyc !wrong [15:29] just tweak the number at the end of the url [15:32] If you cant figure that out.. [15:32] Youre doing it wrong [15:33] hehe [15:35] Its probably a tossup between http://adrinael.net/wrong5 and http://adrinael.net/wrong15 [22:47] knittl: That's nouveau locking up your GPU (which is why X hangs) but miraculously managing to keep the framebuffer in memory, so the VT works.