[00:32] <Alan> Hmm, i'm sure this isn't correct... I'm getting massive lag between damage and redraw...
[00:38] <RAOF> Massive, as in…?
[00:39] <Alan> as in a noticable proportion of a second
[00:39] <Alan> wasn't getting it in Lucid
[00:40] <Alan> actually, I have to say, everything feel a bit "jerkier" in the whole of Maverick, not sure what significant things have changed...
[00:40] <Alan> (I don't mean graphics performance, i mean random mega IO waits/deadlocks)
[00:40] <RAOF> Are you playing with btrfs?
[00:40] <Alan> nope
[00:40] <Alan> ext4
[00:44] <Alan> Also, Xft's font rendering really isn't ready for a font like Ubuntu
[00:44] <Alan> It renders like crap at pretty much any setting
[00:44] <Alan> (And i still don't get why ubuntu ships with "slight" hinting by default)
[00:45] <RAOF> Neither do I; none FTW!
[00:45] <Alan> it's a shame, because it's a nice font
[00:45] <Alan> none?
[00:45] <Alan> I use full
[00:45] <RAOF> (This is one reason why “slight” is the default :))
[00:45] <Alan> Full hinting + DejaVu Sans + switching font DPI to 75 = small and readable
[00:46] <Alan> if you have a sharp LCD display anyway
[00:46] <Alan> http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/screenshot_002.png
[00:46] <Alan> as an example
[00:47] <RAOF> Yeah; I find that looks annoyingly pixel-gridded.
[00:48] <Alan> The problem is that there is a massive gulf between 1:1 pixel mapping where things look sharp, and large-enough-that-you-can-see-the-shape
[00:48] <Alan> and in that gulf everything looks either deformed or blurry
[00:49] <RAOF> Whereas I like: http://cooperteam.net/Screenshot.png
[00:51] <Alan> but it's so fuzzy!
[00:51] <Alan> Then again, it's also very DPI-dependenty
[00:52] <Alan> that looks fuzzy on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor
[00:52] <RAOF> Yeah.  My primary display is ~140 DPI
[00:52] <Alan> yeah, DPI is always much more preferable to hinting
[00:52] <Alan> You can get away without hinting at that kind of resolution
[00:53] <Alan> but on a 96-DPI monitor, it looks fuzzy as hell
[00:53] <Alan> what is that, 12" laptop with an external monitor?
[00:53] <RAOF> Yup.
[00:53] <Alan> 1366x768?
[00:53] <RAOF> 1440x900
[00:53] <Alan> ooh
[00:54] <RAOF> x200s FTW!
[00:54] <Alan> yeah
[00:54] <Alan> damn them
[00:54] <Alan> the new X200 has 1440x900?
[00:54] <Alan> same for the tablet or not?
[00:54] <Alan> (I have a X200t)
[00:54] <RAOF> I don't know; this laptop is a yearish old and things have changed.
[00:55] <Alan> In fact, as you might have seen, i spent today hacking tablet swivel support...
[00:55] <Alan> so is mine
[00:55] <Alan> yeah, i hate that nobody really makes things with enough resolution
[00:55] <RAOF> Oh, cool.  Playing with the xrandr input transformation matrix?
[00:56] <RAOF> I'm lusting after the Sony laptop with a 13" 1920x1080 display… that looks good. :)
[00:56] <Alan> yeah
[00:57] <Alan> I hate all these 15.4" laptops with 1366x768 screens
[00:57] <Alan> oh well...
[00:58] <Alan> But yeah, i'd agree that I'm finding the ubuntu font a lot more bearable with less hinting on my laptop than i find it on my desktop at any setting...
[00:59] <Alan> RAOF: not doing anything too complex, just calls to xrandr and xsetwacom, apart from the fact i need to run something inside the X session to do it now...
[00:59] <Alan> so i've got a dbus listener doing that stuff
[01:00] <RAOF> Funky!
[01:00] <Alan> http://github.com/alanbriolat/tabletswivel
[01:01] <Alan> probably a terrible use of the dbus API, but it works
[01:01] <Alan> Which is an improvement over Lucid
[01:01] <Alan> where xsetwacom would cause the wacom driver to segfault, killing X
[01:01] <RAOF> Yay! :X
[01:02] <ajmitch> that sounds broken
[01:03] <Alan> very much is
[01:03] <Alan> However my bug report has been ignored...
[01:04] <Alan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/575066
[01:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575066 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:05] <Alan> also got another terrible bug in Lucid that i should report
[01:05] <Alan> it's not X related though
[01:05] <Alan> (mounting remote filesystems with cifs + copying large files corrupts the copies, using smbclient doesn't)
[11:28] <soreau> mornin folks
[11:28] <soreau> having some trouble with xorg-edgers repo. I installed 10.10 fresh, installed xorg-edgers and everything looked great
[11:29] <soreau> Even installed a kernel, I was thrilled
[11:29] <soreau> rebooted and checked glxinfo, showed gallium everything yes
[11:29] <soreau> so I figured forget it and wait for updates
[11:30] <soreau> but then I was helping someone else install xorg-edgers and I started referring to my own system
[11:30] <soreau> and i noticed, xorg-edgers was nowhere to be found in sources.list
[11:31] <soreau> there's no ppa-purge app anywhere to be found either
[11:32] <soreau> then I rerun 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and it exits without any error but no packages upgraded
[11:32] <soreau> Then I checked /boot, and there is no 2.6.36* kernel!
[11:32] <soreau> uname says I'm still on 2.6.35
[11:34] <soreau> So how is ppa-purge and 2.6.36 get mystically removed?
[14:07] <knittl> what is my problem when the x-server hangs from time to time
[14:08] <knittl> when i kill it with sysrq-k i can see on the consolel: [nouveau] gpu lockup - switching to software fbcon
[15:14] <ScottK> Sarvatt or RAOF: Would one of you please have a look at bug 651294?  It's currently assigned to -intel, but now someone with ATI says they have the same problem, so either it's not an -intel problem or he's got something different.
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
[15:19] <hyperair> uh-oh, i forgot to run ppa-purge on xorg-edgers again
[15:25]  * soreau ppa-purges hyperair 
[15:25] <hyperair> haha
[15:26] <hyperair> soreau: my karmic to lucid upgrade required manual cleanup due to xorg-edgers.
[15:26] <soreau> hyperair: You are ppa-purged
[15:26] <soreau> also, you did it wrong
[15:26] <soreau> ;)
[15:27]  * hyperair wonders if soreau has seen the "!wrong" pictures in ##c++
[15:27] <hyperair> the multitude of "you're doing it wrong" pictures which really cracked me up
[15:27] <soreau> hehe
[15:27] <soreau> Ive seen a handful of those
[15:28] <hyperair> heheh
[15:28] <hyperair> there are 20 or so on nolyc =p
[15:28]  * soreau looks
[15:29] <hyperair> /msg nolyc !wrong
[15:29] <hyperair> just tweak the number at the end of the url
[15:32] <soreau> If you cant figure that out..
[15:32] <soreau> Youre doing it wrong
[15:33] <hyperair> hehe
[15:35] <soreau> Its probably a tossup between http://adrinael.net/wrong5 and http://adrinael.net/wrong15
[22:47] <RAOF> knittl: That's nouveau locking up your GPU (which is why X hangs) but miraculously managing to keep the framebuffer in memory, so the VT works.