[00:11] <kaolbrec> Oh darn. I was about to reply with "right click on the title bar and choose resize"
[00:11] <kaolbrec> But he's gone
[01:35] <dixon> Quick question. I was reading that 10.10 removes Brasero and junk and replaces it with Xfburn (which I already use) but when trying to do the network upgrade it still wants to re-install Brasero so that seems a bit odd.
[01:36] <dixon> Is there a listing of the Xubuntu-specific mirrors or something I can check my software sources against?
[02:45] <kalle_> why is there no network places or any network browser in xubuntu ?
[02:45] <kalle_> i cant find any kind of network browser at all
[02:48] <jrmy> its called firefox
[02:48] <jrmy> it is found in the quick launch which is red and blue and is right next to places
[02:48] <jrmy> on the top panel
[02:49] <jrmy> oh, network
[02:49] <jrmy> gigolo
[02:49] <jrmy> lol
[02:49] <jrmy> thats found in applications> system> gigolo
[02:49] <jrmy> however you kinda have to configure it first
[02:51] <jrmy> eh, im kinda new anyways
[02:51] <kalle_> hm can it browse netware shares
[02:51] <jrmy> but since no one else seems to be around
[02:51] <jrmy> not sure.. im nt to familiar with networking on linux
[02:51] <jrmy> not*
[02:51] <jrmy> ive only recently connected to another computer
[02:53] <jrmy> but gigolo lets you look at files on a computer
[02:53] <jrmy> and other stuff
[02:53] <jrmy> but ive only really had experience with windows
[02:54] <kalle_> hm
[02:54] <kalle_> only way i found so far is to manually mount netshares to a local folder
[02:55] <kalle_> kinda user unfriendly
[02:55] <jrmy> !ssh
[02:55] <kalle_> there used to be a places > network that was kinda neat then the developers in their wisdom desided nobody uses network anymore
[02:55] <jrmy> this is the only way ive used it so far
[02:56] <moetunes> in the file manager thunar type in the path bar   smb://IPaddress   where ip address is the ip of the comp you want to connect to
[02:56] <jrmy> well i know i would of liked it :]
[02:56] <kalle_> hm oh well, looks like its boned anyway , after 30 mins uptime the novell server just keeps rebooting, i guess the drive is toast anyway ;(
[02:56] <kalle_> so much for saving that data
[02:56] <kalle_> no way to access a netware partition locally i guess ?
[02:58] <moetunes> !netware
[02:58] <moetunes> !info netware
[02:59] <jrmy> well thats fail imo
[02:59] <kalle_> there is a package called ncpfs that has something to do with netware but i found no way to start it
[02:59] <kalle_> !ncpfs
[02:59] <kalle_> yeah who needs network or servers anyway...
[03:00] <moetunes> !info ncpfs
[03:00] <moetunes> kalle_:  you using 10.10?
[03:00] <moetunes> !info ncpfs maverick
[03:01] <kalle_> hm im not sure
[03:01] <kalle_> maybe the one before that
[03:01] <jrmy> i forget how to check
[03:01] <moetunes> that's lucid :]
[03:01] <moetunes> lsb_release
[03:01] <moetunes> iirc
[03:01] <kalle_> is 10.10 out or beta ?
[03:02] <jrmy> i just might upgrade.. idk
[03:02] <jrmy> my 10.04 version is modified anyways
[03:03] <moetunes> 10.10 is out :]
[03:03] <moetunes> but 10.04 is a lts
[03:03] <jrmy> i kinda like how 10.04 is darker
[03:03] <moetunes> !lts
[03:04] <jrmy> !maverick
[03:05] <kalle_> nice how it still says welcome to 9.1 after i upgrade to the latest version
[03:05] <kalle_> i guess linux will never be finished, then again what is these days
[03:06] <moetunes> !version
[03:06] <kalle_> most things are barely usable by the time support is cut coz its ancient history
[03:06] <jrmy> nope not the right address
[03:06] <moetunes> jrmy:  which one?
[03:07] <kalle_> it says 10.04.1
[03:07] <jrmy> so i can get an upgrade of xubuntu to 10.10
[03:08] <kalle_> sure its not a beta ? my update manager says i have all the latest updates
[03:09] <jrmy> is it suppose to say ubuntu 10.04 or xubuntu 10.04 after putting in said lsb_release -a command?
[03:09] <moetunes> jrmy:  I think just 10.01\4.1
[03:09] <moetunes> jrmy:  I think just 10.04.1
[03:10] <moetunes> they use the same base - it is just the desktop environment that is diff
[03:10] <jrmy> well it says http://paste2.org/p/1030751
[03:11] <jrmy> yeah still getting the hang of xubuntu/ubuntu
[03:11] <moetunes> that looks fine - it won't mention the desktop you use
[03:11] <jrmy> ok
[03:14] <moetunes> there's http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release
[03:15] <jrmy> is it possible to downgrade?
[03:16] <jrmy> i found it, but thanks
[03:16] <jrmy> its ironic that google.com/linux doesnt show up linux stuff as well
[03:17] <jrmy> like if i type in "xubuntu" none of the results on the first page are the website
[03:17] <moetunes> you can't really downgrade at all - only way I know is to install older version
[03:17] <moetunes> I just click the link in the topic here
[03:18] <moetunes> to get to xubuntus' website
[03:18] <jrmy> i see
[03:19] <jrmy> i know that it is xubuntu.org
[03:19] <jrmy> so LTS are every .04 release?
[03:20] <moetunes> the website isn't really a howto forum or anything so it prob is low on the search hits meter
[03:20] <jrmy> possibly
[03:21] <moetunes> nope every couple of years iirc - last was 8.04 I think
[03:21] <moetunes> !release
[03:21] <jrmy> well im upgrading
[03:21] <moetunes> luck :]
[03:21] <jrmy> yep
[03:22] <jrmy> should i stop my music player and close out stuff btw?
[03:22] <moetunes> no it should be fine to continue as normal
[03:23] <jrmy> ok
[03:23] <jrmy> then i'll pretty much be here till i need to reboot
[03:24] <moetunes> in #ubuntu and #kubuntu there are a few ppl having some issues after the upgrade
[03:24] <jrmy> that sucks
[03:25] <moetunes> some of 'em aren't too pleased
[03:25] <jrmy> i pretty much have all my files backed up either way
[03:25] <jrmy> yeah i wouldnt be either
[03:25] <moetunes> someone that does backups - you're rare it seems  :]
[03:27] <jrmy> heh
[03:27] <jrmy> yeah especially if its stuff like music ive written
[03:29] <jrmy> so what kind of issues have been happening?
[03:29] <moetunes> diff ones for diff folks - graphics, sound, wifi etc
[03:30] <jrmy> yeah those blow
[03:30] <jrmy> though ive only had an issue because of bad memory
[03:31] <Cityscape> Can anyone help me with damn small linux?x
[03:31] <jrmy> it was weird when i installed wine on my desktop with ubuntu 10.04 and it changed the language to hebrew
[03:31] <jrmy> maybe in a different channel
[03:31] <jrmy> this is the xubuntu support channel
[03:32] <moetunes> Cityscape:  you can check for a dsl channel with   /msg alis list *dsl*
[03:32] <jrmy> there is
[03:32] <jrmy> i just check
[03:32] <jrmy> ed
[03:32] <moetunes> what was the channel called?
[03:32] <jrmy> #dsl is damn small linux
[03:33] <jrmy> and or #damnsmalllinux
[03:33] <jrmy> both work apparently
[03:34] <Cityscape> #damnsmalllinux is inactive as are all DSL channels that i could find.
[03:34] <Cityscape> All i want is to cange my default monitor resolution. :(
[03:34] <jrmy> that can be a problem
[03:35] <moetunes> does dsl have a X log?
[03:35] <royalk> isnt there an x11 config file?
[03:35] <Cityscape> Yah, DSL has X.
[03:36] <moetunes> does dsl have a X log?
[03:36] <royalk> there is an X11 config file that specifies the resolution
[03:36] <jrmy> is there a way to change to a mirror closer to my location when downloading updates and upgrades by any chance?
[03:36] <jrmy> say for instance maybe MSU which is 6 miles or so east of me
[03:37] <moetunes> some mirrors have limited bandwidth - distance isn't the best guide
[03:37] <jrmy> because it is really lame that i can only download stuff at 200KB/s
[03:38] <jrmy> waiting an hour for 600MB isnt my idea of fun
[03:38] <happyfac1> I'm not getting sound on a fresh 10.10 xubuntu install, but I have on almost every other ubuntu install
[03:38] <happyfac1> any help?
[03:38] <Cityscape> but I need to know how to change the default resolution. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Vga%3Dxxx looked usful but I think it's only for booting from USB or CDROM. I have DSL installed on my hard drive.
[03:38] <moetunes> with a new release all servers are going to be way busy
[03:39] <moetunes> happyfac1:  looked at   alsamixer   in terminal?
[03:39] <jrmy> Cityscape: i believe you might be correct
[03:39] <Cityscape> jrmy: i'm downloding the xubuntu ISO and it been going 2 hours and it only half way.
[03:39] <happyfac1> moetunes: "error opening terminal: unknown" when trying to open alsamixer
[03:40] <royalk>  City, that is the res for the screen buffer, that's a kernel arg, are you trying to change text res or X?
[03:40] <Cityscape> jrmy: correct about which?
[03:40] <jrmy> i remember about one of the light weight distros not being made for hdd installation
[03:40] <Cityscape> jrmy: that might be DSL then.
[03:40] <moetunes> happyfac1:  edit your .bashrc file and add the line   export TERM=xterm   then logout/login
[03:41] <jrmy> in theory
[03:41] <jrmy> im not completely certain
[03:42] <moetunes> dsl works fine from hdd
[03:42] <moetunes> it has forums on it
[03:42] <moetunes> *on doing it
[03:42] <Cityscape> royalk: all I want is to change the default boot resolution for DSL. right stuff doesn't look quite right on boot.
[03:43] <moetunes> Cityscape:  you need to find out why it doesn't do the right res - the X log will tell - it might be the best the driver can do
[03:44] <happyfac1> moetunes: I've unmuted everything and nothing
[03:45] <Cityscape> moetunes: I'm guessing that it's running at too high of a res. I running a intel 486 with a 1 MB graphics card.
[03:45] <jrmy> well moetunes lets hope i dont have a problem with 10.10 as well
[03:45] <moetunes> Cityscape:  noone in here will know what driver dsl has for that
[03:45] <royalk> you can set that vga arg in grub i believe
[03:46] <royalk> on that link you sent
[03:46] <moetunes> happyfac1:  in terminal  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   - watch out it is loud - ctrl+c to stop it
[03:46] <jrmy> i havent tried dsl yet.. just might burn myself a copy
[03:46] <moetunes> happyfac1:  ant noise?
[03:47] <jrmy> i think i like puppy should put that on cd too
[03:47] <moetunes> jrmy:  I wouldn't bother - it uses old kernel and horrible packaging
[03:47] <happyfac1> moetunes: no sir
[03:47] <moetunes> happyfac1:  no errors mentioned?
[03:47] <jrmy> moetunes: i'll be using a cd-rw no biggy
[03:47] <happyfac1> moetunes: no, it ran
[03:48] <Cityscape> jrmy: it's good for old computer like my 486 but on a Pentium 3 or higher machine I would never use it as a main distro.
[03:48] <kanigit> #gentoo
[03:48] <moetunes> happyfac1:  in terminal do   lsmod | grep snd   how many lines do you get?
[03:48] <jrmy> my computer is pretty slow as well
[03:48] <happyfac1> moetunes: 13
[03:48] <moetunes> cool
[03:49] <jrmy> so im interested in these light weight distro's
[03:49] <jrmy> however i think im set with xubuntu
[03:50] <Cityscape> What new features does Xubuntu 10.10 have?
[03:50] <Cityscape> jrmy: what are your computer's specs?
[03:50] <moetunes> happyfac1:  what does   aplay -l   return
[03:51] <happyfac1> moetunes: two playback devices on card 0
[03:51] <Cityscape> jrmy: DSL is really light. It only requires a 486 with 16 MB RAM.
[03:51] <jrmy> p3 @ 1.2GHz 256+128MB mem 8MB graphics
[03:51] <moetunes> happyfac1:  and the card name?
[03:51] <moetunes> *is?
[03:51] <happyfac1> moetunes: Intel ICH5
[03:52] <happyfac1> moetunes: which works on ubuntu
[03:52] <moetunes> happyfac1:  ubuntu 10.10?
[03:52] <Cityscape> jrmy: similar to mine, I have a 750 Mhz AMD processor, 1 GB RAM and 8 MB graphics.
[03:52] <jrmy> Cityscape: what is a 486 anyways?
[03:52] <happyfac1> moetunes: I'm not sure, but 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10
[03:53] <moetunes> happyfac1:  can you paste what    lsmod | grep snd   returned?
[03:53] <moetunes> !paste
[03:53] <Cityscape> jrmy: it's an inter processor from about 1992. they range from 15 Mhz to 100 Mhz
[03:53] <jrmy> was about to say that
[03:54] <jrmy> oldest processor i own is a pentium
[03:54] <happyfac1> moetunes: yea I'll run pastebinit
[03:54] <moetunes> k
[03:54] <jrmy> is paste2.org the new pastebin?
[03:54] <Cityscape> jrmy: okay 486 is one model before pentium.
[03:54] <jrmy> i see
[03:55] <happyfac1> moetunes:
[03:55] <happyfac1> http://pastebin.com/9a8VkHZs
[03:55] <moetunes> yep
[03:55] <Cityscape> jrmy: if your interested in lightweight distro's...have you tried Lubuntu?
[03:55] <jrmy> im attached to the software center with ubuntu and xubuntu so i didnt like lubuntu
[03:56] <jrmy> heh
[03:56] <jrmy> the software center does have just about everything
[03:56] <jrmy> afaik
[03:58] <moetunes> happyfac1:  that looks fine - with /dev/dsp working but not outputting anything I need to ask you to check the connectors and that whatever you are running sound through is turned on pls
[03:58] <kalle_> isnt there a 7zip in linux ? or something that can extract multivolumes
[03:58] <kalle_> maybe i need to binary copy them into one file ?
[03:58] <jrmy> yes
[03:59] <moetunes> !find 7zip
[03:59] <happyfac1> !find rar
[03:59] <moetunes> !info p7zip
[03:59] <kalle_> i tryed p7zip
[03:59] <kalle_> didnt work
[03:59] <jrmy> i think i have 7zip installed
[03:59] <jrmy> idk though
[04:00] <moetunes> happyfac1:  if everything is connected/on then it is bug filing time - I'm outta ideas on what else to check
[04:00] <moetunes> !bug
[04:00] <Cityscape> jrmy: yah I love the software center too.
[04:00] <kalle_> hm unknown suffix ignored ?
[04:00] <kalle_> p7zip -d filename ?
[04:00] <jrmy> kalle_: dont mind my answers though.. im still sorta a noob
[04:00] <moetunes> what's the suffix
[04:00] <happyfac1> moetunes: ok thanks I'll keep trying... /dev/dsp will work even if muted, right?
[04:01] <moetunes> happyfac1:  yep
[04:01] <happyfac1> moetunes: alrighty I'll keep trying
[04:01] <kalle_> lol so are the developers jrmy hehe ;=)
[04:01] <jrmy> heh
[04:01] <Cityscape> Question: How large is the Xubuntu 10.10 ISO supposed be? My download just finished at 380 MB.
[04:01] <moetunes> happyfac1:  last thought - have you selected the pcm as the master?
[04:02] <happyfac1> Cityscape: 713,584kb for 32 bit
[04:02] <Cityscape> So then 380 MB would be a failed download then right?
[04:02] <happyfac1> yes
[04:02] <jrmy> lol
[04:02] <Cityscape> dang it :(
[04:03] <Cityscape> Why it is tell me its complete a 380 MB!!!!!!!!
[04:03] <Cityscape> opps, missed a lot of letters there.
[04:03] <happyfac1> Cityscape: bad connection, try another server
[04:03] <jrmy> your torrent client is impatient
[04:03] <jrmy> :P
[04:03] <jrmy> lol
[04:04] <Cityscape> I was downloading which Google Chrome
[04:04] <Cityscape> *with
[04:05] <Cityscape> i used http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[04:05] <jrmy> oh my bad.. i find it pointless to download them unless via torrent
[04:05] <jrmy> torrenting is much faster
[04:05] <Cityscape> I can't anywhere else to download.
[04:05] <happyfac1> jrmy: bandwidth isn't free
[04:06] <Cityscape> jrmy: I have very low bandwidth so torrent is a poor option for me.
[04:06] <jrmy> yeah i was gonna comment on that
[04:06] <happyfac1> jrmy: oh, I thought you said pointless via torrent nvm lol
[04:06] <jrmy> but heh you beat me to it
[04:06] <jrmy> hey*
[04:06] <jrmy> oh
[04:07] <Cityscape> I can't find anywhere else to download 10.10, :( :( :(
[04:07] <jrmy> do you want to download it via torrent?
[04:08] <happyfac1> moetunes: how do I select the pcm as the master?
[04:09] <Cityscape> jrmy: sure, i'm willing to try anything right now.
[04:10] <jrmy> do you have a client to download torrents firstly?
[04:10] <Cityscape> I have Transmission.
[04:10] <happyfac1> jrmy: what are you running now?
[04:10] <Cityscape> it's what I use for torrents
[04:10] <jrmy> do you have 32 bit or 64?
[04:11] <jrmy> that too
[04:11] <kalle_> hm well binary copy did the trick ;=)
[04:11] <Cityscape> This is my other computer running Ubuntu 10.10 x86. it has transmission.
[04:11] <Cityscape> I want to download Xubuntu 10.10 - 32 bit
[04:12] <moetunes> happyfac1:  if the sound icon doesn't let you I don't know - try to right click it
[04:12] <jrmy> well if anyone knows somethin i dont then yeah they should tell you
[04:12] <jrmy> but the link for the torrent
[04:12] <royalk> i downloaded the alternate version cd pretty earlier
[04:12] <happyfac1> moetunes: I thought pcm was seperate from the master, either way they are both unmuted and maxed
[04:13] <twinkie_addict> how do i completely kill x im try ing to instal the official nvidia drivers
[04:13] <Cityscape> other then http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/,  does anyone know where I can download xubuntu 10.10?
[04:13] <moetunes> twinkie_addict:  service gdm stop or pkill Xorg
[04:14] <twinkie_addict> thanks
[04:14] <jrmy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/xubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:14] <jrmy> open the link in a browser or flie>add url and paste that
[04:15] <jrmy> and viola
[04:15] <jrmy> voila*
[04:16] <jrmy> Cityscape^^
[04:16] <Cityscape> jrmy: and this is an official ISO? cause I don't want an ISO from a 3rd party.
[04:16] <jrmy> yes
[04:16] <jrmy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ is where i found it
[04:17] <jrmy> its down at the bottom
[04:17] <Cityscape> jrmy: okay thanks a lot. I think Xubuntu will be perfect for my computer. Ubuntu ran just a little slow. (but then some people say the Xubuntu is just a slow as regular ubuntu)
[04:18] <jrmy> no, its definitely faster on slow pc's
[04:19] <Cityscape> okay thanks jrmy. are you on this channel often?
[04:19] <jrmy> whenever i come on irc, yes
[04:20] <jrmy> which is usually everyday unless im doing something important
[04:20] <Cityscape> how would I contact you in the future? (I always keep a list of people I might like to contact again)
[04:20] <jrmy> this channel is fine
[04:21] <Cityscape> okay. talk to ya later
[04:21] <jrmy> i basically have no life
[04:21] <Cityscape> bye ;)
[04:21] <jrmy> so im on irc everyday
[04:21] <jrmy> bye
[04:21]  * Cityscape is hoping to get a fresh start with Xubuntu 10.10
[04:21] <jrmy> :]
[04:21]  * Cityscape waves bye to everyone
[04:24] <jrmy> i think on average xubuntu uses only half of my ram
[04:24] <jrmy> so for only having 300 some odd thats pretty good
[04:24] <jrmy> moetunes: well that was the first person i helped :]
[04:24] <jrmy> linux wise
[04:24] <jrmy> feelsgoodman.jpg
[04:25] <moetunes> hehe :]
[04:26] <jrmy> 3 more minutes till its done downloading my upgrade to 10.10
[04:26] <jrmy> ok, 5 minutes? it just chaged
[04:27] <jrmy> changed*
[04:27] <happyfac1> I thought you had a slow connection
[04:27] <jrmy> 6... grrrr
[04:27] <jrmy> 200KB/s average is slow compared to my isp rating
[04:28] <happyfac1> i'm dling ubuntu 10.10 at 1.5 MB/s on torrents now :D
[04:28] <jrmy> which is 750KB/s expected and in the 800's to 900's on average
[04:28] <moetunes> I'm suprised you got that speed with so many wanting 10.10
[04:29] <happyfac1> there's only 127 seeds and 134 leechers
[04:29] <jrmy> well its mostly upgrades with stuff i already had
[04:29] <jrmy> with 10.04 i was hitting around 2MB/s :D
[04:30] <happyfac1> moetunes: isn't the joy of bittorrent the more people dling the faster your speeds?
[04:30] <jrmy> basically
[04:30] <moetunes> it should be
[04:30] <jrmy> more sources = faster speeds
[04:30] <jrmy> wel potentially
[04:30] <jrmy> well*
[04:30] <jrmy> depends if people want to limit there upload speed
[04:30] <happyfac1> unless people are lame and
[04:30] <happyfac1> yea that
[04:31] <jrmy> their*
[04:31] <jrmy> yeah..
[04:31] <happyfac1> moetunes: I'm seeing if ubuntu 10.10 has the same sound issue
[04:31]  * jrmy frowns upon that
[04:32] <moetunes> happyfac1:  it will either be something with the xfce sound app or the driver - if it is the driver ubuntu will have the same issue so good luck :]
[04:32] <moetunes> I hope it isn't the driver...
[04:33] <happyfac1> moetunes: first linux install on this old machine that had sound issues, so probably xfce
[04:34] <jrmy> xfce = <3
[04:35] <happyfac1> </3
[04:35] <jrmy> and now the installation of the upgrade
[04:35] <jrmy> i like the mouse too
[04:36] <jrmy> heh
[04:36] <happyfac1> upgrades always mess stuff up
[04:36] <happyfac1> fresh installs for life
[04:36] <jrmy> wb
[04:37] <Cityscape> Hello again
[04:39] <Cityscape> I just started downloading the Xubuntu 10.10 torrent to the same folder  as my previous download of Xubuntu 10.10 that did not complete. That torrent is now picking up from where my browser left off. Is this good or should I delete my old iso and start downloading from the beginning?
[04:39] <jrmy> so yeah you were the first person i helped with a linux issu
[04:39] <autif> happyfac1 - you may also want to install the drivers (Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers). It may find the sound driver for you.
[04:40] <happyfac1> autif: none there
[04:40] <Cityscape> jrmy: you gave me the link to the torrent, remember?
[04:40] <autif> not even a propriety one?
[04:40] <jrmy> obviously
[04:40] <autif> sucks!
[04:40] <autif> worth the try
[04:41] <jrmy> Cityscape: i dont know why you didnt delete that one in the first plcae
[04:41] <Cityscape> jrmy: so I should delete that one then, right?
[04:41] <jrmy> i'd do so to be safe
[04:42] <Cityscape> okay thanks
[04:42] <jrmy> never heard of that before
[04:42] <happyfac1> magic sysrq keys are my favorite <3
[04:43] <jrmy> happyfac1: havent heard of this.. what does it do?
[04:43] <happyfac1> http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm
[04:44] <jrmy> ok im happy with my speed that i downloaded.. it says its gonna take 2 hours to install
[04:44] <jrmy> err 2 and 45 minutes
[04:48] <jrmy> Cityscape: have you used a torrent client before?
[04:51] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:51] <Catoptromancy> i would have been fine
[04:51] <Catoptromancy> er the torrent
[04:52] <Catoptromancy> each chunk has crc
[04:52] <Catoptromancy> and md5sum the finished file
[05:06] <jrmy> what does ulimit -u do?
[05:14] <CloseYetFar> anyone notice that the suspend and hibernate buttons are gone in 10.10?
[05:15] <CloseYetFar> well when you click logout they are no longer there
[05:15] <jrmy> right
[05:16] <jrmy> thats one of the changes
[05:16] <jrmy> i myself never used them
[05:16] <CloseYetFar> me either lol
[05:17] <CloseYetFar> but i still dont see the point of removing them
[05:17] <jrmy> who knows
[05:17] <jrmy> does it show up for laptops?
[05:18] <CloseYetFar> im sure someone somewhere is pissed
[05:18] <CloseYetFar> lol
[05:18] <jrmy> lol
[05:20] <jrmy> been around before the internet
[05:20] <jrmy> had it
[05:20] <jrmy> some time in the 80's i believe
[05:20] <jrmy> whoops wrong tab
[05:20] <CloseYetFar> lol
[05:21] <happyfac1> i was like wtf hibernate isn't that old
[05:21] <jrmy> lol
[05:21] <jrmy> nope something i'd rather not say in hrere
[05:21] <jrmy> here*
[05:22] <moetunes> it's a family channel in here - things like wtf aren't good
[05:22] <moetunes> !guidelines
[05:22] <jrmy> well i think i'm off to bed
[05:30] <churl> Hello, I'm running Xubuntu and I purged gnome-power-manager and now my battery won't charge.  Was hoping that xfce4-power-manager would work.  Also reinstalled gnome-power-manager and it still will not charge.
[05:32] <moetunes> churl:  the power managemaent daemon prob isn't running - have you rebooted?
[05:32] <moetunes> I don't know what it is called to restart it
[05:34] <churl> moetunes: no, i got scared with the charge running out and jumped into the chat room first.  should i try getting rid of gnome-power-manager again and restart?
[05:34] <moetunes> churl:  worth a shot
[05:34] <kalle_> is there an easy way to interface a ups ? it has a low battery signal that should trigger shutdown of servers
[05:35] <kalle_> so hook it to a serial port and have a chron job poll it every second ?
[05:36] <moetunes> I don't know about ups's - lets have a google :]
[05:36] <churl> ill bee back soon
[05:36] <kalle_> theyre battery powered power plants that take over when the mains fail
[05:37] <kalle_> and if it stays down for hours the batteries will run down and hopefully the servers shut down safely before they totally die
[05:37] <moetunes> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/UPS-HOWTO/
[05:38] <moetunes> I like archwiki - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/APC_UPS
[05:39] <churl> moetunes: ok i purged a power-manager and for the first time ever my ac some how came unplugged ......
[05:39] <moetunes> oops ?
[05:40] <kalle_> hm not much info there, a list of obsolete ups daemons
[05:40] <churl> no idea
[05:40] <churl> thanks :)
[05:40] <kalle_> all of them probably expecting commands from the ups
[05:40] <moetunes> the archwiki one is newish
[05:40] <kalle_> my ups is an ancient powerhouse probably 50 kilos atleast with some heavy dutu stuff
[05:41] <kalle_> way before usb and even before serial interfaces where common
[05:41] <kalle_> but it does have a signal when battery is low
[05:41] <kalle_> so im thinking of hardwire that to a serial port to make it change state and all servers should sense that and shutdown
[05:43] <kalle_> i ran some new cheapo ups here for about 2 hours but by them the transformer was dangerously hot so i fear it would overheat before the battery, for sure it will with 2-3 servers running
[05:43] <moetunes> "The main advantage of using an APC UPS (for me) is that it can communicate with your Linux box through either a RS-232 or USB serial connection. In the event of a prolonged power outage, should the APC UPS lose most of its battery capacity, it can tell the Linux box to perform a safe shutdown."
[05:43] <kalle_> and it can send that to 3 servers ?
[05:43] <kalle_> i doubt it
[05:44] <moetunes> depends on the number of connections it has I suppose
[05:44] <kalle_> most are designe to power only one computer
[05:44] <kalle_> not sure how well they like to be wired in paralell
[05:45] <kalle_> serial ports maybe can be wired but i doubt usb ones will work
[05:45] <kalle_> anyway this old crate has none of that anyway
[05:45] <moetunes> heh
[05:46] <kalle_> vonder if a 1 sec polling will put a lot of cpu load ?
[05:47] <kalle_> howto poll the state of a serial port ?
[05:47] <moetunes> I shouldn't think so
[05:47] <moetunes> things like conky that monitor heaps of stuff don't use much cpu
[05:47] <kalle_> yeah i guess
[05:48] <kalle_> and it only need to detect one bit of a serial port then shutdown
[05:48] <happyfac1> moetunes: forgot to tell you that sound works fine in ubuntu 10.10
[05:49] <kalle_> also i want to use a serial port to control another server, it should sync once a week and otherwise stay off
[05:49] <moetunes> happyfac1:  it would be helpful to file a bug then
[05:49] <kalle_> so i guess i need one pin to jazz up the power supply and another pin to force shutdown for it
[05:49] <happyfac1> moetunes: I already replaced the installation, would it still be useful?
[05:50] <moetunes> happyfac1:  maybe not now :]
[05:50] <happyfac1> yeah :S I can always use the live cd though
[06:59] <inuyasha10121> Is there anyone here that knows about creating webservers with xubuntu?  Iḿ really lost with it.
[07:00] <bazhang> webservers normally have no gui
[07:00] <inuyasha10121> I know, Ive been using Terminal the entire time
[07:01] <inuyasha10121> I was trying to use Apache2 to create it, but I was getting all sorts of errors.  I removed it and reinstalled by installing the Ubuntu LAMP server package, but it seems Iḿ lost again.
[07:34] <dandedilia> hello and good morning =)
[07:34] <dandedilia> i have a little problem with Xubuntu 10.10 and compiz ://
[07:36] <dandedilia> I use the free radeon driver ... I activate compiz in the terminal with compiz - replace compiz works great, but to close the window bars and minimize disappear: o
[07:37] <dandedilia> terminal error message:   Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators
[07:37] <dandedilia> Found no decorator to start
[07:37] <dandedilia> exec: 100: /usr/bin/metacity: not found
[07:37] <dandedilia> ://
[07:38] <moetunes> that'll be a question for #compiz I think
[07:38] <dandedilia> can someone help me?
[07:41] <dandedilia> moetunes,  thx bye ;)
[07:43] <Wizard> heh
[07:49] <Wizard> hi, i have 10.04 at work and i'm thinking on upgrading
[07:49] <Wizard> but like allways - i'm a bit afraid of doing this, i allways run into troubles during ubuntu update
[07:50] <moetunes> I would wait a bit 'till any bugs have a chance to get sorted then
[07:51] <Wizard> maybe staying with lts is better option
[07:51] <Wizard> especially at work
[07:51] <moetunes> for a production machine I would :]
[08:00] <dandedilia> okee it works just as I put compiz in xubuntu autostart in the? I will not always start compiz in the terminal
[08:00] <Sysi> settings -> session&startup
[08:01] <dandedilia> oke and then?
[08:02] <Wizard> dandedilia: i don't think so
[08:02] <Sysi> add command there in autostart tab
[08:02] <Wizard> there's no difference in starting from session and starting from command line
[08:02] <dandedilia> the command is compiz --replace ?
[08:02] <Sysi> yes
[08:02] <Wizard> hmm, or maybe there is?
[08:02] <dandedilia> good ich reboot my PC
[08:02] <dandedilia> thx
[08:03] <Wizard> reboot?
[08:03] <Sysi> Wizard: issue: getting compiz to autostart
[08:03] <Wizard> ah, k
[09:50] <Balsaq> you can hear a pin drop in the dense modular jungles of.....xubuntu!
[09:50] <moetunes> heh
[09:55] <Balsaq> sup
[09:57] <Balsaq> u really learn how cool buntu is, when ur motherin laws computer is infested with virus and her computer can't even access her files (pics of the grand kids) and she is freakin out...and u simply use buntu to retrieve all those files and all is well.
[09:58] <Balsaq> hats off to the buntu team
[10:10] <Wizard> hehe
[10:10] <Wizard> Balsaq: better is to have ubuntu installed
[10:10] <Balsaq> i have that too
[10:11] <Wizard> it minimizes the risk of infection almost to 0%
[10:11] <Balsaq> yeah but she is 75 and refuses to learn new stuff
[11:28] <Wizard> Balsaq: :D
[12:46] <t60> congrats on the 10.10 release
[13:05] <Sterist> has anyonce noticed the hibernate option missing in 10.10?
[13:06] <moetunes> a couple of ppl have mentioned it
[13:06] <Sterist> what the heck :( any ideas? lol
[13:06] <Sterist> swap is 400mb larger than ram... so that's not it
[13:08] <Sterist> i dont mean to be spamming but does anyone have a solution ?
[13:08] <moetunes> afaik the option was removed on purpose - it's not your setup
[13:08] <Sterist> wait what?
[13:09] <Sysi> "feature"
[13:09] <moetunes> you were talking about from the logout bit?
[13:10] <Sterist> yes
[13:10] <Sterist> suspend and hibernate have gone missing
[13:12] <Sterist> what did you mean by "it's not your setup" ?
[13:13] <Sysi> not your fault
[13:13] <Balsaq> i wish hibernate was missing in my 1004 computer i cant seem to turn it off?
[13:13] <moetunes> you were talking about the ram you had like you thought it was something local there is how I read it
[13:13] <Balsaq> dad gummed thing turns off in like 5 minutes?
[13:13] <Balsaq> and i have to use a password to get back in
[13:14] <Sterist> i asked in the ubuntu channel and someone suggested that lack of proper swap space would hide the option... thats why i mentioned memory
[13:14] <moetunes> k
[13:14] <Sterist> but people using Gnome still have hibernate... so i came here
[13:15] <moetunes> the option is not in 10.10s' version of xfce4
[13:15] <Sterist> for unknown reasons ...?
[13:16] <moetunes> from what I heard there is only two blokes working on xfce lately so time maybe was the factor
[13:16] <moetunes> that is just gossip tho ...
[13:16] <Sterist> woah... no idea xfce4 development would be sluggish... it
[13:17] <Sterist> it's a little more popular than unpopular lol
[13:17] <moetunes> not many ppl will work for free
[13:17] <Sterist> very true.
[13:18] <xharx> i cant play this with parole: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=20877&mode=play
[13:18] <Sterist> i'll check back tomorrow some time... 5:20am :(
[13:18] <moetunes> k
[13:18] <xharx> i have installed restricted extras but it doesnt play
[13:19] <Sterist> i'll probably hang around here a little more often seeing the small crowd size... i am always using X
[13:21] <moetunes> xharx:  is that a java game - I don't read german
[13:21] <visitor1> seems to be a tv clip
[13:21] <xharx> its windows media, a clip
[13:22] <xharx> but h264 also doesnt work
[13:23] <xharx> moetunes: does it run on your machine?
[13:23] <moetunes> xharx:  yep - I had to turn no-script of
[13:23] <moetunes> you might need the medi-buntu repo
[13:24] <moetunes> !medibuntu
[13:25] <moetunes> xharx:  have you used the flash-plugin-installer ?
[13:25] <xharx> moetunes: what does it mean, noscript off?
[13:25] <moetunes> !info flsh-plugin-installer
[13:25] <xharx> i have installed restricted extras
[13:25] <moetunes> !info flash-plugin-installer
[13:26] <moetunes> no-script is a plugin for firefox to stop most of the ads and stuff
[13:26] <xharx> i dont think i have no-script, fresh installation
[13:27] <moetunes> xharx:  also try the mplayer plugin for firefox from the repos
[13:27] <moetunes> xharx:  you won't have no-script unless you installed it on purpose
[13:27] <xharx> from firefox extras?
[13:27] <moetunes> no it is in the repos
[13:28] <xharx> ok
[13:28] <moetunes> the mplayer pluin that is
[13:28] <moetunes> *plugin
[13:28] <xharx> ubuntu software center?
[13:29] <moetunes> or synaptic whatever you prefer
[13:29] <xharx> gnome mplayer i found, install?
[13:29] <moetunes> I never use the software center myself - I'm too old school :]
[13:29] <xharx> :)
[13:29] <xharx> im a linux noob
[13:30] <moetunes> it'll have to mention plugin
[13:30] <moetunes> and firefox
[13:31] <moetunes> or mozilla
[14:13] <dahaic> :( I hate distribution upgrades
[14:16] <moetunes> sounds like they hated you first... :]
[14:16] <moetunes> maybe
[14:16] <dahaic> :)
[14:17] <dahaic> actually the windows that popup and grab focus
[14:47] <DoctorPepper> Has anyone reported any issues with the x86 alternate ISO image?
[14:52] <moetunes> not in here that I've seen...
[14:53] <DoctorPepper> Ok.  I've downloaded it twice (checked the md5 sum both times), burned it to three CD-R's, and all of them report corrupted packages during install
[14:53] <jrmy> great i upgrade and now x wont boot
[14:54] <jrmy> hi charlie-tca
[14:54] <jrmy> morning everyone
[14:54] <charlie-tca> Hello, jrmy
[14:55] <moetunes> DoctorPepper:  did the iso pass the md5 before you burned it?
[14:55] <jrmy> wanna try and help me get x to load?
[14:55] <DoctorPepper> Yes
[14:55] <DoctorPepper> moetunes: yes
[14:56] <DoctorPepper> jrmy: what graphics card do you have?
[14:56] <moetunes> DoctorPepper:  and the burnt cd passed the check too?
[14:56] <DoctorPepper> I'll have to test that.  I just reinstalled 10.04
[14:56] <DoctorPepper> This is my OpenBSD box I keep for testing
[14:56] <moetunes> could be a failing burner...
[14:57] <DoctorPepper> It could
[14:57] <DoctorPepper> Let me quickly (well, within reason) grab the md5 sum off of the CD
[14:57] <jrmy> what my problem is, i boot normally and i havent even booted into 10.10 yet as in i just upgraded from 10.04 it shows a list of things real quick which i think is the stuff about battery and sound and what not and the screen goes black and there is no hard drive function at that point
[14:58] <moetunes> jrmy:  does the recovery option boot?
[14:58] <jrmy> if i go into the grub menu i can start with recovery mode and it only lets me enter into tty
[14:59]  * jrmy doesnt know how recovery mode works
[14:59] <moetunes> jrmy:  that's good - you can check dmesg and the X log from there
[14:59] <jrmy> thats pretty much what i'd think i'd have to do
[14:59] <jrmy> how do i get a log?
[15:00] <moetunes> less /var/log/Xorg.0.log   - down arrow to scroll - q to quit it
[15:00] <jrmy> also my screen doesnt seem to be tty friendly for displaying correctly.. it always flickers or with the upgrade its like off
[15:01] <jrmy> anyways checking the log
[15:01] <moetunes> jrmy:  whay graphics pls
[15:01] <moetunes> what*
[15:02] <jrmy> i only know about the memory available which is 8MB
[15:02] <jrmy> the log appears to be empty
[15:03] <jrmy> how do i check my system' stuff liek graphics and stuff?
[15:03] <jrmy> system's*
[15:04] <moetunes> lspci will tell - vga for the graphics
[15:04] <knome> jrmy, lspci | grep vga
[15:05] <jrmy> im wondering if it doesnt support my laptop screen
[15:05] <jrmy> i can see if it works with my monitor seeing as i have a vga output
[15:06] <moetunes> more then likely you need a boot option like   noapic
[15:06] <moetunes> if you know the brand and model we can check in google
[15:08] <jrmy> my display controller and vga compatible controller both say intel 82830 CGC
[15:09] <jrmy> i have a gateway solo 1450
[15:09] <moetunes> k
[15:10] <jrmy> rather annoying looking at the flickering screen
[15:10] <xGrind> why requeriments xubuntu 10.10 ?
[15:11] <jrmy> talking to me xGrind?
[15:11] <xGrind> too
[15:11] <xGrind> ;)
[15:11] <jrmy> ok so you have a question pertaining your needs
[15:11] <jrmy> i thought it was about me
[15:11] <charlie-tca> xGrind: same requirements as 10.04
[15:12] <jrmy> sometimes when my laptop restarts it freezes right before rebooting
[15:13] <jrmy> like it closes everyything up to the point of rebooting and stops
[15:13] <jrmy> which is alos what happened when i just upgraded to 10.10
[15:14] <charlie-tca> jrmy: You should be able to switch to a tty using Ctrl+Alt+f2 and use ctrl+alt+del to restart then
[15:14] <jrmy> never tried
[15:14] <jrmy> nice to know now..
[15:15] <jrmy> might be why im having a problem
[15:16] <jrmy> i dont get why the log for X is empty
[15:17] <jrmy> i wonder if my computer tries switching to my vga controller?
[15:17] <jrmy> i dont think there is a way to disable it in bios
[15:18] <DoctorPepper> moetunes: Looks like you called it.  I'll be going out for a new burner today
[15:18] <moetunes> bummer
[15:18] <jrmy> i'd hate for mine to stop workign correctly
[15:19] <DoctorPepper> I have a $50 Best Buy gift card, so it won't be that bad ;)
[15:19] <moetunes> jrmy:  seems it either works or doesn't from google - refresh rates are the main issue
[15:19] <moetunes> but since you don't have a X log it might be more than that
[15:19] <jrmy> thats what i assume is a problem there
[15:19] <jrmy> i think it refreshes at 60Hz but idk
[15:20] <jrmy> does having a certain size screen make a difference?
[15:21] <jrmy> i could try booting with my monitor plugged into the vgz port
[15:21] <jrmy> vga*
[15:21] <jrmy> im gonna try it to see what happens
[15:22] <jrmy> brb
[15:24] <jrmy> back
[15:25] <jrmy> ok so i just booted with the monitor plugged in and i got an error that had checksum as one of the words
[15:25] <jrmy> or however it actually spelled it
[15:27] <jrmy> and after it did the same blanking as before
[15:28] <jrmy> ok so now what?
[15:28] <jrmy> back into tty from recovery mode
[15:29] <moetunes> best I've found so far - http://www.knoppix.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-11733.html
[15:29] <moetunes> seems it needs   noscsi   as a boot option
[15:32] <jrmy> what does knoppix have to do with xubuntu?
[15:32] <Sysi> it uses linux kernel
[15:32] <Sysi> (and is based on debian)
[15:32] <jrmy> i didnt have anyproblems with X besides the flickering with tty mode
[15:32] <jrmy> with 10.04
[15:33] <jrmy> ok i have to take someone to work. i'll be back
[15:33] <jrmy> lioke 20 minutes
[15:52] <brims> I upgraded to 10.10 yesterday, all went well except that now in terminal when I type "man <anything>" I get the "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional". When I tried to edit files via VIM running with sudo I get an error "E558: Terminal entry not found in terminfo". I've been reading a lot of stuff online, tried setting TERM in .bashrc to vt320, vt100, and linux, each time logging out and back in, or running "source ~/.bashrc
[15:52] <brims> ". Also tried installing ncurses-term which popularted /usr/share/terminfo, which I read was the issue. If I type "TERM=vt320 man ls" no problem, but if TERM is set in .bashrc I get the error messages. I've tried creating a new account to see if it was just one of my config files but I had the same problem. Any help would be appreciated.
[15:53] <charlie-tca> brims: bug 621927
[15:53] <charlie-tca> It has the workaround
[15:53] <brims> Awesome, I'll take a look at that, thanks.
[15:58] <brims> Works great, thanks again.
[16:04] <jrmy> ok
[16:05] <jrmy> what else to try?
[16:05] <moetunes> did lots of reading and that was the only one close to your issue jrmy
[16:05] <travkin> brims, you may also experience some troubles with sound, like no microphone working in Skype or sound at all. here's a workaround for ME: sudo apt-get remove pulsesound
[16:06] <travkin> or someone else :)
[16:06] <jrmy> ok so how do i do this noscsi thing?
[16:06] <moetunes> at the grub prompt hit   e  to edit
[16:07] <moetunes> sorry grub menu
[16:07] <jrmy> can i go back to grub from tty?
[16:07] <moetunes> yep   sudo reboot
[16:07] <jrmy> lol
[16:07] <jrmy> darn
[16:07] <moetunes> heh
[16:09] <jrmy> oh yeah i remember my laptop falling while my computer was installing.. i wonder if something happened
[16:09] <jrmy> is there a way to check my hard drive for errors?
[16:09] <moetunes> well it wouldn't have improved things... :]
[16:10] <jrmy> i remember a command that these guys gave e to check this
[16:10] <jrmy> do you know this command?
[16:10] <DoctorPepper> fsck?
[16:10] <moetunes> run e2fsck from a live cd is the best way I've found
[16:11] <jrmy> well i dont have 10.10 on disc
[16:11] <jrmy> i "upgraded
[16:11] <moetunes> can be any linux cd
[16:11] <jrmy> "
[16:11] <jrmy> ok
[16:11] <moetunes> not too old if you are using ext4 tho
[16:13] <jrmy> i just tried failsafe X in the recovery mode menu
[16:13] <jrmy> didnt work either
[16:13] <jrmy> anyways.. i hgave the xubuntu cd menu
[16:13] <jrmy> running*
[16:14] <PrebenR> Hi
[16:14] <jrmy> now what?
[16:14] <jrmy> hi
[16:14] <PrebenR> Im Maveric is it possible to change the gdm theme?
[16:15] <PrebenR> the default is so ugly that I cannot bear it...
[16:15] <jrmy> moetunes: what do i do from the live cd menu?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> hmm, really, PrebenR
[16:15] <PrebenR> white background with some blue dots??
[16:15] <moetunes> give me a min pls
[16:15] <jrmy> ok
[16:15] <Sysi> PrebenR: install gdm2setup, i think not in repos
[16:16] <knome> PrebenR, what should the default background look like then?
[16:16] <PrebenR> E: Unable to locate package gdm2setup
[16:16] <Sysi> "i think not in repos"
[16:16] <jrmy> yep not it in repos
[16:17] <knome> PrebenR, see https://launchpad.net/gdm2setup for the PPA
[16:17] <PrebenR> knome, the old one was nice, the new one looks like something from a 2 year old. I thought it was just a temporary image for the betas, but it is still there
[16:17] <knome> PrebenR, that wasn't what i asked really.
[16:18] <PrebenR> knome, it should look more professional and pleasing. Not something that a programmer drew in tuxpaint ;-) ;P
[16:18] <Sysi> have you checked you screen settings? :P
[16:19] <moetunes> jrmy:  does the xubuntu cd boot ok?
[16:19] <PrebenR> My screen was calibrated prior to Maveric, after it is not. I have not had time to solved it as zsh is messed up also
[16:20] <jrmy> moetunes, as in if i wanted to try without install?
[16:20] <jrmy> it should booted fine with my desktop and there doesnt seem to be anything wrong
[16:21] <moetunes> jrmy:  yep - you wanted to check the hdd yes?
[16:21] <jrmy> yes
[16:21] <knome> PrebenR, okay. you could ask charlie-tca on how to contribute to the next version of xubuntu, or how to propose any other open-licensed wallpapers
[16:21] <jrmy> if i damaged it that would suck
[16:21] <PrebenR> I get this: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick%3Faction%3DAttachFile%26do%3Dget%26target%3Dxubuntu1010_wallpaper_draft_2.png&imgrefurl=https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick&usg=__I8NrQhvIQ86nhWYl28lI7i0sVZ8=&h=400&w=640&sz=331&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=dY8nSrOapmhGNM:&tbnh=163&tbnw=258&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dxubuntu%2B10.10%2Bgdm%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dubuntu%26sa%
[16:21] <PrebenR> 3DN%26channel%3Dfs%26biw%3D943%26bih%3D638%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=388&ei=XyuzTMvDEJGeOuWU7McF&oei=XyuzTMvDEJGeOuWU7McF&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=152&ty=37
[16:21] <PrebenR> oops sorry
[16:21] <moetunes> jrmy:  we'll get to the live environment and do some stuff from a terminal
[16:21] <PrebenR> wait to find better url
[16:21] <knome> PrebenR, http://tinyurl.com
[16:22] <jrmy> ok
[16:22] <PrebenR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu1010_wallpaper_draft_2.png
[16:22] <PrebenR> why not this which is nice! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu1010_wallpaper_rays.png
[16:22] <jrmy> booting into the live now
[16:22] <knome> PrebenR, that's what you should be getting in maverick
[16:22] <moetunes> k
[16:22] <PrebenR> knome, why not the second?
[16:23] <knome> PrebenR, there was discussion on which on the use, but the creator of the latter one didn't want his work published after all, so the first was chosen.
[16:23] <knome> *which to use
[16:23] <PrebenR> arg
[16:23] <Sysi> knome: do you see, people have bad taste and bad contrast in display :P
[16:24] <knome> PrebenR, why didn't we see any proposals by PrebenR?
[16:24] <jrmy> i wonder if cityscape is doing fine with his new installation
[16:24] <PrebenR> knome, I for sure will for next version ;) I didn't know there was a debate to change it
[16:25] <knome> PrebenR, there definitely was, a public request for artwork was made on several places. glad to hear you're going to contribute to the next version, i'm definitely looking forward to it
[16:25] <Sysi> new version, nwe artwork
[16:25] <jrmy> cant you change it anyways?
[16:25] <knome> yes, the aim is to refresh the artwork in every release, except maybe not in LTS releases
[16:26] <knome> jrmy, that's right.
[16:26] <jrmy> i remember you can in 10.04, or at least i thought
[16:26] <jrmy> ok
[16:26] <jrmy> finally booted
[16:26] <knome> with gdm2setup you should be able to change it in maverick as well, and changing the wallpaper is really easy anyway.
[16:26] <moetunes> jrmy:  open a terminal
[16:27] <jrmy> my mouse isnt working
[16:27] <knome> PrebenR, +, there is an svg version of the "Rays" wallpaper, if you want to use that
[16:27] <moetunes> heh
[16:27] <jrmy> i think i may have disabled it in bios
[16:27] <knome> jrmy, alt+f2 -> run 'xfce4-terminal'
[16:27] <jrmy> yeah i know
[16:27] <jrmy> already did
[16:27] <knome> PrebenR, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu1010_wallpaper_rays.svg for the svg
[16:28] <moetunes> jrmy:  to check the hdd isn't mounted run   mount - look for sda1 or similar
[16:28] <jrmy> ok what command?
[16:28] <moetunes> mount
[16:28] <travkin> funny, after fresh Xubuntu 10.10 install running Firefox, and it shows "Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10!" :D
[16:29] <jrmy> i dont see anything saying sd1
[16:29] <Sysi> travkin: old /home?
[16:29] <travkin> Sysi, lol, do fresh install
[16:30] <jrmy> sda1*
[16:30] <travkin> or just launch it in Live CD
[16:30] <PrebenR> knome, thanks, but if I can change the backgound I'll probably choose one of my photographs. And yes I will contribute. I'll pack my macro lense when I go on vacation in some days to get some nice material :-)
[16:30] <Sysi> travkin: i can't remember anything like that been there
[16:30] <knome> PrebenR, good to hear. #xubuntu-devel for development discussion - though now is probably a bit too early..
[16:31] <charlie-tca> knome: you mean I have to try that again?
[16:31] <moetunes> jrmy:  cool - we need to make sure how the system sees the hdd so now run   sudo fdisk -l   it should list the hdd
[16:31] <knome> charlie-tca, try what again?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> artwork
[16:31] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:31] <PrebenR> knome, one question, is there a colour rule that it has to be in blue tones? Not a problem, just nice to know,,,
[16:31] <charlie-tca> You don't think it was hard enough once?
[16:31] <knome> PrebenR, charlie-tca is the right person to ask
[16:32] <knome> charlie-tca, nah, just forget artwork. who needs it anyway!
[16:32] <knome> ;)
[16:32] <travkin> Sysi, /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html
[16:32] <PrebenR> another question. Anybody managed to get flashplugin-nonfree installed (amd64)
[16:32] <travkin>     <title>Xubuntu 9.10 Documentation</title>
[16:32] <charlie-tca> hmm, It doesn't have to be all blue, but it does need to have the xubuntu colors included
[16:32] <charlie-tca> You know, like blue sky?
[16:32] <PrebenR> nah
[16:32] <travkin> knome, check /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html. i'm the one who having Xubuntu 9.10 there? :D
[16:32] <PrebenR> Can just convert the colour space ;)
[16:32] <travkin> fresh install of 10.10
[16:33] <charlie-tca> travkin: docs are out of date
[16:33] <charlie-tca> Want to help getting them right?
[16:33] <knome> travkin, i'm still running 10.04
[16:33] <travkin> ah
[16:33] <knome> PrebenR, for reference on the xubuntu colors, see the logo svg
[16:34] <jrmy> how do i highlight what it says without a mouse so i can pastebin it?
[16:34] <PrebenR> arg what happened to zsh
[16:34] <jrmy> eh.. i could screencap and imgur it
[16:34] <moetunes> jrmy:  yea that'll work
[16:34] <knome> jrmy, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[16:35] <charlie-tca> !zsh
[16:35] <charlie-tca> !info zsh
[16:35] <PrebenR> yes, but why did you break it?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> PrebenR: you can install it
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I did not touch it
[16:36] <PrebenR> I have used it since 10.04
[16:36] <PrebenR> after upgrading it won't work propoerly
[16:36] <charlie-tca> and what is wrong with it?
[16:36] <knome> PrebenR, sometimes applications break
[16:36] <jrmy> ok almost got it
[16:36] <knome> PrebenR, without anybody touching them
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Perhaps it is affected by bug 621927
[16:37] <PrebenR> think I'll reinstall 10.04 and wait a bit. too much doesn't work
[16:37] <jrmy> http://imgur.com/AYdjh.png
[16:37] <moetunes> k
[16:37] <knome> charlie-tca, PrebenR: so 'export TERM=zsh'
[16:37]  * charlie-tca is positive he did not break anything personally
[16:37] <jrmy> annoying not having a mouse
[16:37] <charlie-tca> no, set the TERM variable to xterm
[16:37] <jrmy> though i could plug in my usb mouse
[16:37] <knome> :P
[16:38] <jrmy> i just wont have a mouse for the computer im talking to you with
[16:38] <jrmy> brb
[16:41] <PrebenR> knome, yes but I cannot seem to get this to work with .profile nor .zshrc when I open a new terminal
[16:42] <jrmy> back
[16:42] <Sysi> have you  set zsh default instead of bash?
[16:42] <moetunes> jrmy:  do   e2fsck -p /dev/sda1
[16:44] <jrmy> says need to be root.. so i put sudo first and then said it was clean
[16:45] <jrmy> well root or you must have read write access
[16:45] <moetunes> jrmy:  ok so no need to worry about the drop then :]
[16:45] <jrmy> yeah
[16:45] <jrmy> i dont know why it was fast though
[16:45] <jrmy> alos does it have to propmt for a password?
[16:46] <jrmy> when i did the command with sudo?
[16:46] <moetunes> jrmy:  it should have taken at least a little while
[16:46] <jrmy> cause it happened awfully fast]
[16:46] <moetunes> fo 30gb
[16:46] <moetunes> try it without the -p
[16:47] <jrmy> as well as sudo?
[16:47] <jrmy> as in with?
[16:47] <moetunes> yep
[16:47] <jrmy> fast once again
[16:48] <jrmy> i dont think its working right if im not prompted for a password
[16:48] <moetunes> live cd doesn't have a sudo password
[16:48] <jrmy> ok
[16:48] <moetunes> so that's fine
[16:49] <moetunes> we've done it twice with no errors so I say it will be fine
[16:49] <jrmy> ok, son not the problem
[16:49] <jrmy> so*
[16:49] <moetunes> close the live cd and get to the grub menu
[16:50] <moetunes> nope the hdd seems fine
[16:50] <moetunes> at the grub menu press   e   when the kernel is highlighted
[16:51] <moetunes> if it'll let you...
[16:51] <jrmy> hold on im gonna enable my mouse first
[16:51] <moetunes> cool
[16:52] <moetunes> give me a ping then
[16:52] <jrmy> ok
[16:55] <jrmy> moetunes, it says recordfaiol on the first line
[16:55] <jrmy> recordfail*
[16:56] <moetunes> that does not sound right - that was after hitting   e   ?
[16:57] <moetunes> is the next line down a kernel line?
[16:57] <jrmy> i'll type out everything hold on
[16:57] <charlie-tca> If it is more than one line, please use pastebin
[16:57] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[16:57] <mark76> I wish Ubuntu would drop the "Are you sure? Are you really, really sure you want to install this?" feature from Synaptic
[16:57] <jrmy> how can i pastebin from grub?
[16:58] <moetunes> jrmy:  you can't
[16:58] <jrmy> if i could higlight stuff from another computer then great but i cant do this
[16:58] <jrmy> oh, as in put it in the site and post a link
[16:58] <jrmy> one sec
[16:59] <moetunes> it could be easier to take a pic
[17:09] <jrmy> moetunes, http://paste2.org/p/1031809
[17:09] <jrmy> if i could only screencap it
[17:09] <jrmy> that was annoying
[17:10] <moetunes> k
[17:11] <moetunes> a phone with a camera is handy :]
[17:12] <jrmy> yeah
[17:12] <jrmy> my desktop's usb port is 1.0 and being occupied by my mouse
[17:12] <moetunes> the next line down is the one with kernel in it?
[17:12] <jrmy> inside of said box?
[17:12] <jrmy> i assume so
[17:13] <jrmy> im calling it a box since its bordered by a white line
[17:13] <moetunes> k
[17:14] <moetunes> you want to get the cursor to the end of "quiet splash"
[17:14] <moetunes> use the arrow keys
[17:14] <jrmy> obviously
[17:14] <moetunes> heh
[17:14] <jrmy> :]
[17:14] <moetunes> it is not always obvious to some
[17:14] <moetunes> ...
[17:15] <jrmy> its also sad
[17:15] <jrmy> lol
[17:16] <moetunes> after splash you add   noscsi
[17:16] <jrmy> two spaces?
[17:17] <_maddy> hi
[17:17] <moetunes> nope I did that for clarity here
[17:17] <moetunes> but failed obviously :]
[17:17] <jrmy> ok so one space and noscsi
[17:17] <jrmy> lol
[17:17] <moetunes> yep
[17:17] <jrmy> ok now what?
[17:17] <moetunes> hit b for boot and we'll see
[17:18] <moetunes> _maddy:  hi :]
[17:18] <moetunes> jrmy:  is it booting?
[17:19] <_maddy> I'm a little bit shocked having just installed xubuntu 10.10
[17:19] <jrmy> im not sure what its doing
[17:19] <jrmy> ok so it last flashed something for a split second and went blank
[17:20] <moetunes> jrmy:  hdd lights blinking?
[17:20] <jrmy> it was
[17:20] <jrmy> but then became unresponsive
[17:21] <jrmy> so i guess that didnt work
[17:21] <moetunes> jrmy:  it didn't go blank like that at that stage before?
[17:22] <jrmy> i'd record it and put it up on youtube if i could
[17:22] <moetunes> np
[17:22] <jrmy> im back in grub though
[17:22] <_maddy> I guess it's recommended to just use normal ubuntu, since xubuntu seems rather unpolished?
[17:22] <moetunes> jrmy:  I think it needs a vga setting - same process this time type   vga=788
[17:23] <jrmy> its different this time
[17:23] <moetunes> _maddy:  funny resolution?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> _maddy: Hm, you stated your were shocked. Now it is unpolished.  Maybe you could explain just what is wrong
[17:23] <moetunes> jrmy:  how?
[17:23] <jrmy> the splash is gone
[17:23] <jrmy> part
[17:24] <_maddy> well multiple things, let me write them up
[17:24] <charlie-tca> or file bugs
[17:25] <jrmy> the lines 7. and 8. int the paste are gone and replaced with something else
[17:25] <jrmy> in*
[17:26] <jrmy> aka in http://paste2.org/p/1031809
[17:27] <moetunes> jrmy:  that is the same link as before dude :]
[17:27] <jrmy> i know
[17:27] <moetunes> what do they say now?
[17:27] <jrmy> one sec
[17:27] <moetunes> type it here on one line
[17:28] <_maddy> charlie-tca: here's some of my problems I encountered http://pastebin.com/xF8x28H5
[17:30] <charlie-tca> _maddy: you are right. the installer is the same one used by Ubuntu
[17:30] <charlie-tca> But if you intalled it, those become NON-ISSUES
[17:31] <_maddy> well, the last one is the only one left to solve, sort of
[17:31] <charlie-tca> You should not be seeing the installer issues after the installation
[17:32] <_maddy> I'm not
[17:32] <jrmy> moetunes, http://paste2.org/p/1031840
[17:32] <charlie-tca> _maddy: yes, that is the plymouth text screen, and is because of the hardware video. We are still trying to resolve the issue
[17:32] <charlie-tca> so, unpolished?
[17:33] <_maddy> well, unpolished was maybe too harsh, I'm just really sad that the installer has taken a few steps backward...I really wanted to choose on which hd to install GRUB
[17:34] <_maddy> I found a thread about the purple screen with fglrx
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Yes, that option for grub was removed from the desktop installations of Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[17:34] <moetunes> jrmy:  it is the same except for the lines that start with   echo  - delete them
[17:35] <charlie-tca> _maddy: if you are advanced enough to know  the answer to the grub question, you can use the alternate cd to install from. It does give you the choice
[17:35] <moetunes> jrmy:  that was my bad - I said hit b to boot and it should have been ctrl+x
[17:35] <jrmy> oh
[17:36] <jrmy> i know, i quickly figured that out
[17:36] <jrmy> ok so delete the lines with echo in them?
[17:36] <moetunes> yep
[17:37] <jrmy> done
[17:37] <moetunes> add the   noscsi   after splash and then hit ctrl+x to boot
[17:37] <jrmy> after splash?
[17:37] <jrmy> what splash?
[17:38] <_maddy> charlie-tca: ok thanks, I've never even thought about using the alternate cd
[17:38] <moetunes> you picked the recovery kernel then - see the single written there
[17:38] <charlie-tca> The desktop installation with the GUI is intentionally kept as simple as possible
[17:38] <jrmy> ok so quiet splash is replaced with single
[17:38] <jrmy> i get it
[17:39] <_maddy> I know that, I just remember the GUI install had the grub-option under "advanced settings" or such button
[17:39] <_maddy> in earlier version
[17:39] <moetunes> jrmy:  no you selected the wrong kernel it seems - hit esc
[17:39] <charlie-tca> yes, it did. It is constantly being looked at to simplify it whenever possible.
[17:39] <jrmy> replace single with 'quiet splash' then add noscsi?
[17:39] <moetunes> jrmy:  to get to the grub menu
[17:39] <Besogon> Can anybody help me with Xorg and intel
[17:39] <jrmy> ok
[17:39] <Besogon> graphic card
[17:39] <Besogon> ?
[17:40] <jrmy> deleting the echo's werent bad were they?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> !help | Besogon
[17:40] <jrmy> ah, nvm it discards them
[17:40] <moetunes> jrmy:  hitting esc discards the edit you did
[17:40] <moetunes> :]
[17:40] <jrmy> anyways typing noscsi
[17:40] <moetunes> jrmy:  wait
[17:40] <jrmy> no?
[17:41] <moetunes> jrmy:  are you in the kernel where it says splash?
[17:41] <jrmy> yes
[17:41] <Besogon> OK.
[17:41] <Besogon> How could I fix this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[17:41] <Besogon> trouble
[17:42] <jrmy> moetunes, i went up and highlighted the top most which says 2.6.35-22 or whatever
[17:42] <moetunes> jrmy:  cool - I had to check - yep do the   noscsi   thing
[17:42] <jrmy> now boot again?
[17:42] <Besogon> "NO kernel modesetting driver detected"
[17:42] <moetunes> jrmy:  yep with ctrl+x
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Besogon: you tried the "Turning it off" part under lucid?
[17:43] <jrmy> no difference
[17:43] <_maddy> anyone have any idea why I can't use alt+1 in irssi, but alt+2, alt+3 etc work normally?
[17:44] <jrmy> i believe my only option is to hold the power button
[17:44] <jrmy> like before
[17:44] <Besogon> charlie-tca, no. I don't know how to do that
[17:45] <moetunes> jrmy:  that's fine - b for boot was for grub1 - seems grub2 has that as well just added the ctrl+x
[17:45] <Besogon> echo options i915 modeset=0 > /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
[17:45] <Besogon> I haven't the file
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Besogon: do you have the i915 ?
[17:45] <Besogon> let me look
[17:46] <charlie-tca> You just type this in a terminal, it will create the file when you hit Enter
[17:46] <charlie-tca> echo options i915 modeset=0 > /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
[17:46] <Besogon> charlie-tca, No. This is 945GME Express Integrated GC
[17:46] <moetunes> jrmy:  we could try other options then noscsi if you want - from the google searches I did on your lappy it seems with each new kernel more support for your lappy is removed
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Besogon: I don't know if it will work then
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Try changing the i915 to i945
[17:47] <Besogon> ok. But firstly I'll reinstall kms lib.
[17:47] <jrmy> moetunes, well that blows
[17:48] <moetunes> Besogon:  I think you need   nomodeset   as a kernel boot option - google will confirm or not
[17:48] <jrmy> moetunes, if we get it working i dont care whatever we can think of is good
[17:48] <moetunes> jrmy:  it sure does - the lappy is only 8 trs old
[17:49] <moetunes> jrmy:  cool - instead of noscsi use   vga=788   after splash
[17:49] <jrmy> ok,
[17:49] <Besogon> I knew the problem flew from old grub config..
[17:49] <moetunes> jrmy:  and remove splash so you get text instead of the splash screen - it might let you see what's happening
[17:50] <jrmy> well if i didnt just boot it then sure
[17:50] <moetunes> heh
[17:50] <moetunes> next time
[17:51] <jrmy> ubuntu 10.10 with a purple background diplayed first in the center then secondly opffset
[17:51] <jrmy> and back to black and nothing
[17:51] <moetunes> that's an improvement then?
[17:51] <jrmy> i guess
[17:52] <moetunes> try it without splash
[17:52] <jrmy> so no splash or no quiet splash?
[17:52] <Besogon> I've found out that I change the grub config with 'nomodeset' parameter
[17:53] <Besogon> he he
[17:53] <moetunes> just remove splash
[17:53] <moetunes> Besogon:  :]
[17:53] <_maddy> I have the purple background problem too, tried switching my monitor to other connector on the vga, no help
[17:54] <jrmy> nope does the battery check and whatever and goes black with no hard drive function
[17:54] <Besogon> moetunes, Give me a second to try it with other grub file and I will think what you mean by 'remove splash'
[17:55] <moetunes> Besogon:  that wasn't for you mate sorry
[17:56] <Besogon> moetunes, Does remove mean to delete?
[17:56] <moetunes> jrmy:  fine - now for klaus' fix for old lappies - add   noapic nolapic   after the vga=788
[17:56] <jrmy> i can keep splash
[17:56] <jrmy> ?
[17:56] <moetunes> Besogon:  yep - but I was talking to jrmy when I said remove splash
[17:57] <moetunes> jrmy:  not for now - we get info without it
[17:57] <jrmy> booting
[17:58] <Besogon> aha
[17:58] <jrmy> hmm displayed something else this time for a split second
[17:58] <jrmy> but once again black
[17:59] <jrmy> and the thing it displayed was before the thing it has
[18:00] <moetunes> jrmy:  so we got less? - add just to check you didn't type a one instead of a L?
[18:00] <moetunes> in nolapic?
[18:01] <jrmy> my font on xchat displays 1 and l differently
[18:01] <charlie-tca> _maddy: the only you can fix that is remove the "splash" or go back to the non-proprietary video driver
[18:01] <Venim> i can't seem to get the xubuntu upgrade from the alternate install cd to run
[18:01] <jrmy> thing before was white text
[18:01] <_maddy> charlie-tca: just remove the word quiet in boot/menu.lst?
[18:01] <Venim> when i try to run cdromupgrade i get some python error
 _maddy: the only you can fix that is remove the "splash" or go back to the non-proprietary video driver
[18:01] <jrmy> normal text is the battery check and stuff with white letters and like orange letters with asterisks as well
[18:02] <Besogon> moetunes, It works. thanks
[18:02] <jrmy> which i think is a normal kernel loader or something
[18:02] <charlie-tca> not in menu.lst unless you removed grub2
[18:03] <_maddy> right, I just noticed there isn't even that file
[18:03] <_maddy> so how?
[18:03] <moetunes> Besogon:  great!
[18:03] <charlie-tca> /etc/default/grub
[18:04] <_maddy> changing the graphics mode e.g. resolution wouldn't fix it?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Not that I know
[18:05] <_maddy> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[18:05] <_maddy> change to "" ?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> it is a conflict with the hardware driver and kms. I don't think the resolution will matter
[18:05] <charlie-tca> That will give you a screen full of text instead of the purple thing
[18:06] <_maddy> what about remove only the splash?
[18:06] <charlie-tca> That is what I told you to remove already
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I never said remove "quiet"
[18:11] <jrmy> moetunes, since i have both a vga output and my other diplay controller is there a command for the primary one?
[18:11] <jrmy> i dont think the vga matters since im not using a monitor
[18:11] <jrmy> what if i boot with the older kernel?
[18:12] <jrmy> 2.6.32-25?
[18:12] <_maddy> ok done
[18:12] <moetunes> jrmy:  worth a shot
[18:13] <charlie-tca> _maddy: great
[18:13] <jrmy> it brought me to tty mode
[18:13] <charlie-tca> jrmy: I have both dvi and vga outputs on my card. It uses whichever one is connected to the monitor
[18:13] <_maddy> charlie-tca: what about removing the avahi network discovery service notification after boot?
[18:13] <jrmy> as in this works for
[18:13] <jrmy> the most part
[18:14] <charlie-tca> but vga always takes priority
[18:14] <charlie-tca> _maddy: removing it causes issues
[18:14] <jrmy> no X though
[18:14] <charlie-tca> You can turn it off in /etc/default , I think
[18:15] <jrmy> is it possible my battery is causing the issue?
[18:15] <jrmy> cause it seems to be stuck at battery checking
[18:15] <charlie-tca> _maddy: /etc/default/avahi-daemon - change it from 0 to 1
[18:15] <jrmy> it is old, and my power supply is under volt and under amp
[18:16] <moetunes> jrmy:  is the power cord plugged in?
[18:16] <jrmy> ium not the idot that bought it though, my friend did so thinking it would be a good replacement
[18:16] <jrmy> yeah
[18:16] <jrmy> charged to the capacity that its able to
[18:17] <jrmy> what if i remove the battery?
[18:17] <jrmy> and boot with just the the power supply
[18:18] <jrmy> but yeah im brought to tty mode when i boot the older kernel
[18:18] <moetunes> jrmy:  I wouldn't know anything abut that sorry - doesn't sound good tho
[18:18] <jrmy> but ctrl alt f7 is on the screen for what i said
[18:18] <moetunes> jrmy:  does   startx   do anything/
[18:18] <jrmy> i'll just post what that screen is
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Try all the ctrl+alt+F? keys
[18:19] <charlie-tca> see if you get a display on a different screen
[18:20] <jrmy> fatal error: no screens found
[18:20] <jrmy> apparently it doesnt know what screen to use or something
[18:21] <jrmy> would be nice if my screen wasnt offset
[18:21] <moetunes> jrmy:  did you add the vga bit?
[18:21] <jrmy> i think its a tad to big and thats why it displays incorrectly
[18:22] <jrmy> i just booted the older kernel without changes
[18:22] <moetunes> cool
[18:22] <jrmy> but it says (EE) VESA(0): No valid modes
[18:23] <jrmy> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[18:23] <jrmy> thats the log for X
[18:23] <jrmy> then it says fatal error no screens found
[18:23] <jrmy> blah blah
[18:24] <jrmy> how do i fix the screen resolution?
[18:24] <jrmy> say perhaps set it to 800x600?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> um, maybe go into /home/USER/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml and delete the file
[18:25] <charlie-tca> That should give you a GUI
[18:26] <Riotta> how to change default handling of irc:// bym my webrowser (chromium) in xfce?
[18:26] <Riotta> when I click on irc:// link it says something about xdg-open and that it want to launch the app and then it launch the webrowser again
[18:26] <charlie-tca> Riotta: Applications -> Settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Preferred applciations
[18:26] <Riotta> and how to add there xchat?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe not
[18:27] <Riotta> I think it's not
[18:27] <charlie-tca> If you are opening it in the browser, it will not default to xchat. It will default to the browser
[18:27] <charlie-tca> The job of the browser is to catch those links and open them
[18:28] <Riotta> it catches alright but it run xdg-open with wrong app
[18:29] <charlie-tca> If it is a link ... irc:// file:// etc it will open in the preferred browser
[18:29] <moetunes> jrmy:  have a google for xorg.conf - find one with modes listed in the screen section - I'll be busy for a bit
[18:30] <jrmy> ok
[18:34] <vidd> I just installed xubuntu 10.10
[18:35] <vidd> where do i find the auto started applications?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Session and Startup ?
[18:36] <Riotta> look: http://linuxlover.oni.cc/res/z.png
[18:36] <charlie-tca> or /home/USER/.config/autostart
[18:36] <Riotta> I got this when I try to open irc:// link
[18:36] <vidd> i feal stupid now....
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Hello, vidd
[18:37] <charlie-tca> long time no see
[18:37] <vidd> i havent updated since 9.04(?) because of the security flaw of showing all the users set up on the machine
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I thought that was a feature
[18:38] <vidd> having it is a feature...not being able to turn it off is a flaw =]
[18:39] <vidd> charlie-tca, yeah....been SOOO busy
[18:39] <jrmy> ok i'm thinking this is to difficult for me to configure, so im going to wait
[18:39] <vidd> i am now my company's entire tech support department
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Nice!
[18:39] <vidd> no...NOT nice
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Keeps you real busy, then
[18:40] <vidd> every call every day im going nuts
[18:40] <vidd> they just laid off the billing call reps...so i am taking THOSE calls too
[18:41] <vidd> pretty soon, im going to be the entire call center =\
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Riotta: I can not connect to that page
[18:41] <charlie-tca> ouch
[18:42] <_maddy> well now I've set up everything so that I'm sort of happy...
[18:42] <Riotta> how come?
[18:42] <Riotta> http://sturnus.co.nr/res/z.png try this
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Riotta: The server at linuxlover.oni.cc is taking too long to respond.
[18:43] <Riotta> weird
[18:43] <charlie-tca> The server at linuxlover.oni.cc is taking too long to respond.
[18:43] <charlie-tca> How about pastebin?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[18:45] <Riotta> http://imagebin.org/118040
[18:45] <Riotta> thanks
[18:46] <charlie-tca> You have to find the place in chromium to tell it to use xchat instead of xdg-open, I think. firefox uses "about:config" to set options. I don't know what chromium uses
[18:47] <charlie-tca> But I think it is screwing up the link, too. It should open that in the browser using webchat
[18:47] <Riotta> chromium use xdg-open as generic open handler it reads from somewhere those apps
[18:48] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:48] <Riotta> it's like gnome-run or whatever
[18:48] <charlie-tca> try typing xdg-open in a terminal
[18:48] <charlie-tca> It has to decide what the app should be, not xdg-open
[18:48] <Riotta> only help commands
[18:48] <Riotta> tried that already
[18:49] <charlie-tca> xdg-open is a generic command to open an app in the terminal. It needs an application to open, though
[18:49] <charlie-tca> You can use xdg-open xchat in a terminal to open xchat
[18:49] <Besogon> Wow the mutter requares too much of my CPU resourses! I'm going to install Xfce or LXDE on my netbook then
[18:50] <charlie-tca> but xdg-open does not know what you want to use. Chromium has to tell it
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Besogon: mutter? Is that in Xubuntu?
[18:52] <Besogon> charlie-tca, Just now I'm writting it to you from xfce on my computer but I have the netbook too. (I don't want to update desktop system as there is installed GNU octave from sources
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Riotta: just to be sure, typing xdg-open xchat and that address in terminal return
[18:52] <charlie-tca> xdg-open: unexpected argument 'irc://irc.demonirc.net/entertainment-xtreme'
[18:54] <charlie-tca> that is not a valid irc channel except for webchat
[18:54] <_maddy> how do I change the color of the window title bars?
[18:54] <vidd> charlie-tca, is there something up with using nano in terminal?
[18:55] <vidd> i keep getting "Error opening terminal: unknown"
[18:56] <_maddy> vidd: export TERM=xterm
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Perhaps it is affected by bug 621927
[18:56] <vidd> _maddy, run that in terminal once or every time?
[18:57] <vidd> or do i set it up someplace?
[18:57] <_maddy> once for now, I added it to /etc/environment
[18:57] <charlie-tca> vidd: put it in /home/USER/.bashrc
[18:57] <charlie-tca> it will run by itself. Otherwise, run it in terminal to set it until you restart the system
[18:58] <rxs> vidd: Yes I too found the issue annoying only in xfce4-terminal .. terminator on the other hand on 10.10 works just fine with nano.
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I know of at least 10 apps that need that fix already
[19:00] <Riotta> I know that chromium can't say xdg-open what to open it should know alone
[19:01] <Riotta> adresses like this irc://irc.freenode.net/xubuntu should be handled by xchat but they are dont probably on gnome it would work
[19:01] <charlie-tca> They will not be. It does not handle webchat
[19:01] <Riotta> it's not a webchat
[19:01] <Riotta> link
[19:02] <Riotta> it should bring default irc client
[19:02] <Riotta> in system
[19:02] <Riotta> and open #xubuntu channel for example
[19:02] <Riotta> irc://irc.freenode.net/xubuntu
[19:02] <Riotta> this channel
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Xchat doesn't handle links
[19:03] <_maddy> so any idea how to change the color of window titlebar?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> the only way I know is to change the gtk theme
[19:03] <Riotta> xchat no
[19:03] <Riotta> xdg-open does
[19:04] <charlie-tca> system settings -> Window Manager
[19:04] <charlie-tca> ooops, _maddy
[19:04] <charlie-tca> That is the xfwm theme
[19:04] <_maddy> well that's what I've been trying, I just figured maybe there's a separate setting for the color hidden somewhere
[19:05] <charlie-tca> There is, but you have to modify the theme itself
[19:07] <Riotta> charlie-tca: what you have when you click on link Op for irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu-us-tn (Current)
[19:07] <Riotta> on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/infocop411
[19:08] <charlie-tca> you win
[19:09] <_maddy> well my terminal closed when I switched the theme
[19:09] <charlie-tca> so, what is wrong with your link, then?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> _maddy: don't use wildbush
[19:09] <Riotta> did it launched irc client for you ?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Riotta: you lost me
[19:10] <charlie-tca> When I clicked on it in xchat, yes.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I was wrong
[19:12] <_maddy> shouldn't the topic say 10.10? :)
[19:12] <Riotta> yeah I knew what I was talking about, but I guess you use firefox?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:13] <charlie-tca> yes, _maddy
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I haven't updated it yet
[19:16] <charlie-tca> okay?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> hmm, that is probably all the answers I have now. Riotta: good luck with that. Maybe someone else knows how to fix it for you?
[19:21] <Riotta> thanks for trying
[19:24] <dahaic> hi people, could you help we - where can I get some help with little gtk theme tweak? :) [move to maverick changed Albatross a little bit and I don't like it :P]
[19:24] <_maddy> that's what I want to know as well :)
[19:25] <xubuntu052> what do you want to tweak?
[19:25] <_maddy> oh, I take that back, I actually got it now how I want it :)
[19:26] <dahaic> xubuntu052: in the tree view, I would like to change that dark triangle [button to open group] to something more simple
[19:27] <dahaic> its probably called column head :)
[19:29] <_maddy> now that I look at the arrow you mentioned, it does look a bit large
[19:29] <_maddy> or triangle
[19:31] <dahaic> yep, and it's distracting by its color and size
[19:32] <dahaic> the same icon in clearlooks is what I am used to, but how...
[19:32] <slow-motion> lasse@wanda:~$ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:32] <slow-motion> Error opening terminal: unknown.
[19:32] <slow-motion> what does it mean?
[19:32] <knome> slow-motion, try 'export TERM=xterm'
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Perhaps it is affected by bug 621927
[19:33] <slow-motion> thx knome it works now
[19:33] <_maddy> can I access my windows partitions somehow from xubuntu which are on different hd?
[19:33] <knome> slow-motion, you could add that into ~/.bash_profile
[19:34] <charlie-tca> _maddy: use gigolo
[19:34] <slow-motion> otherwise i have to enter it everytime i open the bash window?
[19:34] <knome> slow-motion, yes
[19:36] <slow-motion> ok. i have done it
[19:36] <_maddy> gigolo works great, thanks, only problem is I don't have saved one wallpaper I want
[19:37] <slow-motion> ~/.bash_profile < i made that file with export TERM=xterm in it and it dont work
[19:38] <thee> any idea how i could change my wallpaer using a shell script?
[19:42] <royalk> can anyone tell me: how is the 64 bit versus 32 bit for *ubuntu?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> same
[19:42] <charlie-tca> except some of the codecs and browser plugins are 32bit only
[19:43] <royalk> flash?
[19:43] <_maddy> now my desktop is starting to look how I like it :)
[19:43] <charlie-tca> 64bit lets you use memory over 4GB
[19:43] <charlie-tca> flash is now got a 64bit version again
[19:43] <slow-motion> but when i dont have an amd processor?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Why would it have to be amd?
[19:44] <_maddy> it works with intel too, the name "amd64" is rather missleading
[19:44] <royalk> can you run 32 bit packages on the 64 bit version?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> oh, that. Yeah, it works with any 64bit cpu
[19:45] <slow-motion> thx. i wonder if i can use it with my centrino processor
[19:46] <Sysi> lscpu| grep 64
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Is that mac?
[19:46] <dahaic> _maddy: historical context ftw :D few years from now, everyone will know that intel made a mistake with itanium :)
[19:46] <dahaic> *everyone will still know
[19:47] <slow-motion> CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit < i can. charlie-tca it is a thinkpad
[19:47] <Sysi> you could as well ask if i686 works on amd-machines :P
[19:47] <Arpad2> hello
[19:48] <charlie-tca> It doesn't gain you very much unless you have more than 3GB ram, though
[19:48] <charlie-tca> sometimes it hurts you
[19:48] <Arpad2> i cant open System Sources application
[19:48] <slow-motion> ok, then i will stay away from it. i have only 2gb ram
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: in 10.10?
[19:48] <Arpad2> 10.04
[19:49] <Arpad2> i would like to upgrade
[19:49] <Arpad2> the app windows just appears for the tehth of a second
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Tried restarting the computer?
[19:50]  * charlie-tca thinks it does that when an upgrade was made and it wasn't restarted
[19:50] <Arpad2> well, it didnt work in the morning, and it doest work now
[19:51] <Arpad2> another thing too, perhaps this is related
[19:52] <Arpad2> the update works only with KpackageKit
[19:52] <charlie-tca> hmm, so you have kubuntu?
[19:52] <Arpad2> no
[19:52] <Arpad2> xubuntu
[19:52] <charlie-tca> kpackageKit is not xubuntu
[19:53] <Arpad2> but its install on my xubuntu PC
[19:53] <charlie-tca> It was installed by you, perhaps you installed some KDE applications?
[19:54] <Arpad2> well by me ,yes
[19:54] <Arpad2> unless a burglar came and installed it
[19:55] <Arpad2> :)
[19:55] <Arpad2> should i remove it?
[19:56] <vidd> Arpad2, open terminal and try typing "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[19:56] <Arpad2> vidd : ok
[19:57] <Arpad2> vidd : "No new release found"
[19:57] <vidd> edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:58] <vidd> change "Prompt=lts" to "Prompt=normal"
[20:00] <Arpad2> ok
[20:00] <vidd> Arpad2, does that help?
[20:00] <Arpad2> i changed the settings in kpackage kit
[20:00] <vidd> i dont know kpackagekit
[20:01] <vidd> i do know apt =]
[20:01] <Arpad2> well i started now
[20:01] <Arpad2> its uograding...
[20:01] <vidd> so your good?
[20:02] <Arpad2> will see...
[20:02] <vidd> hehe
[20:03] <charlie-tca> That's kind of scary
[20:04] <vidd> what is scary?
[20:04] <Arpad2> "about 51 minutes remaining"
[20:04] <vidd> Arpad2, wow...fast connection =]
[20:04] <Arpad2> only DSL
[20:04] <charlie-tca> That upgrade. bothers me that upgrade manager wouldn't run
[20:04] <Arpad2> yea
[20:04] <vidd> its evil
[20:05] <vidd> i always change sources.list
[20:05] <Arpad2> it seems that KpackageKit has takaen the full control over update
[20:05] <charlie-tca> I guess upgrading around alpha1 has advantages?
[20:05] <vidd> charlie-tca, yeah...unless it nukes your system =]
[20:06] <charlie-tca> It only breaks it for a few days at a time
[20:07] <vidd> i cant lose access to my systems for a few days =\
[20:07] <charlie-tca> heh, I got an extra one
[20:08] <charlie-tca> and I cheat. I dual boot the latest release and the development version, and transfer the files back and forth, so they match pretty close if one goes down
[20:08] <vidd> the only "extra" system i have i use for my windows setup
[20:09] <Arpad2> I'm just reading in Release Notes that in Maverick Brasero has been replaced :)
[20:10] <vidd> xfburn has been fgixed and works now?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> It has been working for me
[20:13] <dahaic> just if anyone is interested, I changed in albatross in /usr/share/themes/Albatross/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file parameter GtkTreeView::expander-size to 10, and its much nicer :)
[20:17] <Arpad2> although now Im worrid that KpackageKit will install kubuntu
[20:19] <charlie-tca> it shouldn't if you did not have it already
[20:20] <Arpad2> ok
[20:21] <Arpad2> what are the major differencies between the two distros?
[20:22] <Arpad2> !kde
[20:25] <_maddy> dahaic: I'll try that too
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: xubuntu uses Xfce, Kubuntu uses KDE. The are much different environments
[20:28] <Arpad2> charlie-tca : and Xfce is the better one ? :)
[20:29] <charlie-tca> As far as Xubuntu is concerned, it is the best!
[20:30] <Arpad2> as far as I understood xubuntu is designed for laptops and is good for older pcs?
[20:30] <mark76> It is? :/
[20:31] <charlie-tca> It is designed to be lighter in resources than Ubuntu, so it is good for older pcs. It is not designed specifically for laptops.
[20:31] <Arpad2> ok
[20:31] <charlie-tca> It is also good for new systems, since it is lighter in resources. It takes less RAM and cpu power
[20:31] <Arpad2> ok
[20:32] <Arpad2> well primarily that was the reason i started linux with xubuntu
[20:32] <charlie-tca> That is a very good reason
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I will be giving an OpenWeek session thursday, 1500 UTC all about Xubuntu
[20:34] <charlie-tca> It is held in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:34] <charlie-tca> I get to do one on Accessibility wed at 14:00 UTC, too
[20:57] <Sterist> has anyone found out how to get "hibernate" back on 10.10?
[21:15] <autif1> charlie-tca: are the topics of these OpenWeek sessions documented somewhere?\
[21:17] <autif> found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[21:20] <Sterist> no one knows?
[21:20] <vidd> Sterist, what was your question?
[21:20] <Sterist> how do i get "Hibernate" ?
[21:21] <Sterist> in 10.10
[21:21] <charlie-tca> I don't remember seeing a workaround in the release notes
[21:21] <Sterist> why was it removed
[21:22] <charlie-tca> I don't believe it was removed intentionally. I believe it is an incompatibility issue that is being worked
[21:22] <vidd> hrm...hibernate carried oer from upgrade =\
[21:23] <Sterist> Gnome users still have it
[21:23] <Sterist> but it's missing in xubuntu / xfce4
[21:23] <Sysi> Sterist: hotfix: add power options "when pressing power button" → hibernate
[21:23] <charlie-tca> okay. Is there a bug filed?
[21:23] <Sysi> but hibernate is useless, waking from it is slowen than booting
[21:24] <royalk> beyond the fact that xubuntu uses xfce, are there any other major differences with ubuntu proper?
[21:24] <TheSheep> the default set of installed applications is different
[21:24] <TheSheep> other than that -- not really
[21:24] <royalk> oh cool!
[21:24] <TheSheep> well, theming :)
[21:25] <Sterist> sysi i don't like re-opening all my applications ;)
[21:25] <charlie-tca> You can install openoffice if you want it, but it is not installed by default
[21:25] <Sysi> Sterist: save session
[21:25] <Sterist> sysi or that lol i knew you'd say that
[21:26] <Sysi> i swapped to KDE on desktop :/
[21:26] <Sysi> netbook stays xubuntu LTS
[21:26] <Sterist> sysi session saving is slightly flawed in concept... if you uncheck it, you still have your session from the last time it was checked. this is both good and bad, though
[21:27] <Sysi> you can remove it
[21:27] <Sysi> or use session manager
[21:37] <Sterist> yeah i know but it's just too inconvenient for the convenience it offers :P
[21:37] <Sterist> in my honest opinion
[21:37] <Sterist> ...if i didn't contradict myself again lol
[22:05] <thee> thnar wont show my removable devices in the sidebar - is this normal or just a bug?
[22:05] <thee> *Thunar
[22:16] <Sterist> sysi are you still here
[22:17] <Arpad2> i cant start synaptic...:(
[22:18] <Sterist> synaptic works for me
[22:18] <Sterist> well, loads anyway... i haven't tried to use it
[22:18] <Arpad2> thats good
[22:19] <Arpad2> so kpackage kit started to install kubuntu 10.10...
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: what about the one Kubuntu uses?
[22:20] <Arpad2> i dont know which one is that
[22:20] <Arpad2> i  stopped the installation
[22:20] <Arpad2> but i cant neither upgrade with xubuntu cd
[22:21] <Arpad2> i would like to avoid complete new installation
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: Only thing I can think of is remove all the kde stuff, reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and try again
[22:23] <Arpad2> charlie-tca : i've tried this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[22:23] <charlie-tca> then why is kpackagekit still there?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Try installing the xubuntu-desktop package, it might need that
[22:24] <Arpad2> from the cd?
[22:24] <Arpad2> or via kpackage..?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I suppose kpackage should work
[22:25] <charlie-tca> It should set things right if possible
[22:26] <Arpad2> i removed kpackage..:)
[22:26] <Arpad2> have ubuntu software center
[22:26] <charlie-tca> use terminal - sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <Arpad2> done
[22:27] <charlie-tca> then try - update-manager -d
[22:28] <Arpad2> like sudo update-manager-d ?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> shouldn't need sudo for that
[22:28] <charlie-tca> space between update-manager and -d
[22:28] <Arpad2> ok
[22:30] <Arpad2> done
[22:30] <Arpad2> it started
[22:30] <Arpad2> but some ov 10.10 kubuntu has been installed
[22:31] <Arpad2> for instance my desktop is "lightwaight"
[22:31] <charlie-tca> I told you remove kde stuff. You said you did already. must have mis-understood
[22:31] <Arpad2> ok
[22:31] <Arpad2> how to do that
[22:31] <charlie-tca> If it upgrades, it will be okay anyway
[22:32] <charlie-tca> let it run the upgrade
[22:32] <charlie-tca> It should upgrade or remove whatever it wants to
[22:33] <Arpad2> ok
[22:34] <Arpad2> let us see, what happens..
[22:35] <Arpad2> synaptic still doesnt work
[22:36] <charlie-tca> is the upgrade done already?
[22:36] <charlie-tca> You have to let it finish, and then restart the computer. Not just a logout/login, either.
[22:37] <Arpad2> according to System Monitor i have 10.10
[22:37] <Arpad2> but it malfunctions
[22:38] <Arpad2> for instance with synaptiv
[22:38] <charlie-tca> You did a full restart?
[22:38] <Arpad2> and my Places menu has disappeared
[22:38] <charlie-tca> things do not work after the upgrade until then.
[22:40] <Arpad2> so now
[22:40] <Arpad2> i opened the synaptic (dont know how)
[22:40] <Arpad2> and i will uninstall all KDE apps
[22:40] <Arpad2> is it ok?
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Did the upgrade complete?
[22:41] <Arpad2> yes
[22:41] <charlie-tca> and you did a full restart?
[22:41] <Arpad2> no
[22:41] <Arpad2> ok, that restart first
[22:46] <charlie-tca> wb Arpad2
[22:46] <Arpad2> restarted
[22:46] <charlie-tca> now try synaptic, please
[22:46] <Arpad2> already
[22:46] <Arpad2> doasnt work
[22:48] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[22:49] <Arpad2> ok
[22:49] <Arpad2> done
[22:49] <Arpad2> but its the problem with the visualisation
[22:49] <charlie-tca> That's all I can think of now
[22:49] <Arpad2> ok
[22:49] <charlie-tca> visualisation?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> bad images?
[22:50] <Arpad2> so i stopped the kubuntu installatiom in the middle
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Oh, that one! Yeah, maybe it did break things
[22:50] <Arpad2> so probably some vital parts have been change and affected
[22:51] <Arpad2> because kpackage wanted kubuntu...
[22:51] <Arpad2> i saw it replaces files with kde...
[22:51] <charlie-tca> yes, it seems so
[22:54] <mark76> Kpackagekit has been removed from Maverick
[22:55] <charlie-tca> heh, the fun begins
[22:56] <mark76> It was called kpackagekit, right?
[22:57] <Arpad2> yes
[22:57] <mark76> Hang on
[22:58] <mark76> Oh. It is still there
[22:58] <mark76> Funny. It wasn't earlier
[23:00] <Arpad2> thx for help
[23:00] <Arpad2> good night
[23:00] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:12] <jrmy> anyone there to help me with getting x to work?
[23:13] <jrmy> probably shouldnt of upgraded
[23:17] <jrmy> anyone know how to confiugure X so it will find screens
[23:17] <jrmy> or whatever
[23:24] <jrmy> yeah im pretty sure X has to be reconfigured
[23:26] <jrmy> no one there
[23:26] <jrmy> ?
[23:26] <mark76> I'm here :)
[23:26] <mark76> But I really don't a clue what I'm doing :)
[23:28] <jrmy> ok
[23:28] <jrmy> same
[23:28] <jrmy> lol