[00:00] <phillw> !topic | phillw
[00:00] <ubot5> phillw, please see my private message
[00:02] <phillw> !lxterminal | phillw
[00:02] <ubot5> phillw, please see my private message
[00:03] <phillw> oooh, that's pretty darn cool
[00:05] <giampiero> Hello
[00:06] <phillw> hiyas giampiero
[00:09] <giampiero> I have a problem with both Aqualung and Gnome Mplayer, is it the place to ask?
[00:10] <phillw> giampiero: depends on the problem, I'll help if I can.
[00:12] <giampiero> Aqualung crackles when a song is played. I tried to re-install, but it didn't work. Any suggestions?
[00:13] <phillw> giampiero: I've seen it mentioned in passing through the forum areas, let me have a look for you to see if there is a resolution. I'll be a couple of minutes.
[00:19] <phillw> giampiero: cannot really see anything of note, can you tell me which version of lubuntu and also aqualung you are using.
[00:22] <giampiero> Lubuntu 10.10 Aqualung 0.9
[00:29] <phillw> giampiero: I'll ask on the mailing list, there has been no reports of problems. 10.10 is new so there may be an issue with Aqualung, are you familiar with installing software?
[00:29] <giampiero> I think so
[00:31] <phillw> Some of us use deadbeef for audio, it's not in the official repos so we cannot include it. https://launchpad.net/~alexey-smirnov/+archive/deadbeef
[00:31] <phillw> it's a pretty mean little audio player.
[00:32] <giampiero> Thank you, i'll give it a try
[01:43] <zebastianortis> where do i regulate the brightness of the monitor in lubuntu
[01:43] <zebastianortis> cant seem to find it
[01:51] <zebastianortis> theres no power management in my preferences menu
[04:51] <Mossyfunk1> how do I get non free stuff like flash player to work with lubuntu? can't find any restricted extras package and the direct install from adobe as never worked for me
[04:51] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[04:51] <bioterror> if I remember right
[04:51] <bioterror> you can try to complete the flash<tab> ;)
[04:52] <bioterror> or was it flashplugin-nonfree
[04:52] <bioterror> apt-cache search nonfree
[04:52] <bioterror> :-)
[04:53] <bioterror> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)
[04:53] <bioterror> says my Linux Mint
[04:53] <Mossyfunk1> awesome ty bioterror
[04:53] <bioterror> np, mate :-)
[04:54] <bioterror> you might also want to deinstall openjdk and use sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin sun-java6-plugin
[04:55] <bioterror> oh, clock is already that much
[04:55] <bioterror> should I go or should I stay
[04:55] <Mossyfunk1> too many clocks!
[04:55] <bioterror> Mossyfunk1, how's the spring in australia?
[04:56] <Mossyfunk1> depends where you are
[04:56] <Mossyfunk1> beautiful mostly =)
[04:56] <bioterror> I bet
[04:56] <bioterror> I've got a dream to visit your wonderland, but it's so far away
[04:56] <Mossyfunk1> I'm sure I would have much more fun in the garden today than inside attempting to undo these horror screws in my HP laptop
[04:56] <bioterror> 13500km :-)
[04:57] <Mossyfunk1> you in europe?
[04:57] <bioterror> yeah
[04:57] <Mossyfunk1> ahhh cool
[04:57] <Mossyfunk1> hehe i got a dream to visit yours tbh
[04:58] <bioterror> well, we don't have kengurus, koalas and the the most akward animal of them all: Platypus
[04:58] <Mossyfunk1> haha
[04:58] <Mossyfunk1> I see em every day nearly
[04:58] <Mossyfunk1> we have kangaroos in our front yard grazing
[04:58] <bioterror> oh
[04:58] <Mossyfunk1> but I live very close to bush
[04:59] <bioterror> and I've seen videos about blue ringed octopus too!
[04:59] <Mossyfunk1> yeah haha
[04:59] <Mossyfunk1> we got some dangerous ones
[04:59] <bioterror> yeah
[04:59] <bioterror> your desert is full of dangerous snakes and scorpios :-
[05:00] <bioterror> :-)
[05:00] <Mossyfunk1> this country is heady WAY too conservative for my liking
[05:00] <Mossyfunk1> the liberals are none too liberal, and labour are all coset neocons haha
[05:00] <bioterror> might be, becouse you're technically british :D
[05:01] <Mossyfunk1> I'm coming from english/french and irish migrangts
[05:02] <Mossyfunk1> why would they make the screws so whacky? wtf.
[05:02] <bioterror> :)
[05:02] <Mossyfunk1> can't even get the cd drive out
[05:02] <Mossyfunk1> bastards trying to lock people in
[05:03]  * phillw please use #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[05:03] <Mossyfunk1> and I BET when I reach the cpu theres like 5mm thick of goop on the cpu making it overheat
[05:03] <Mossyfunk1> oops
[05:03] <Mossyfunk1> srry phillw forgot
[05:05] <bioterror> phillw, oh, sorry :)
[05:05]  * phillw it's not a problem, but makes it more difficult for people searching the logs :)
[05:06] <bioterror> I didnt expect phill could be up this early ;)
[05:07] <bioterror> Mossyfunk1, the flash is working now?
[05:07] <phillw> bioterror: I am a lurker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker)
[05:07] <Mossyfunk1> nope... didn't work
[05:08] <bioterror> should work if you restart your browser
[05:08] <bioterror> gotta hit the train station
[05:08] <bioterror> laters
[05:09] <phillw> tc bioterror
[05:10] <Mossyfunk1> seeya
[05:12] <semitones_tea> is there a 10.10 lubuntu?
[05:13] <phillw> semitones_tea: yes
[05:15] <phillw> head down to 'get lubuntu' at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu  please use a torrent.
=== semitones_tea is now known as semitones_cereal
[05:22] <phillw> wb semitones_cereal
[05:24] <semitones_cereal> :) was i _cereal before once?
[05:30] <phillw> !topic | semitones_cereal
[05:30] <ubot5> semitones_cereal: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:31] <semitones_cereal> what does wb mean?
[05:31] <semitones_cereal> welcome back right>
[05:32] <phillw> yep
[05:33] <semitones_cereal> oh i see, 10.10 is in the topic lol woops
[05:35] <phillw> is no problem, I am one of the documentors for the lubuntu, so I do I do try to keep it all up to date :)
[05:35] <semitones_cereal> cool :) one problem i notice with ubuntu
[05:36] <semitones_cereal> is google searches usually return old out of date documentation and forum archives
[05:40] <phillw> that's a google problem, we do have people within the community working like heck to keep our pages updated, I  got that annoyed I hosted a class room and did all the notes for http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[05:40] <semitones_cereal> kk
[10:22] <dan__> Hello =D
=== dan__ is now known as Mossyfunk1
[10:25] <Mossyfunk1> thats betta =)
[10:25] <Mossyfunk1> How can I make the quicksearch work in synaptic gui?
[10:28] <j_lundberg> does it need apt-xapian-index installed?
[10:39] <Mossyfunk1> no idea
[10:39] <Mossyfunk1> i'll install it
[11:19] <Mossyfunk1> Whats a good media manager like Amarok for LXDE?
[11:21] <j_lundberg> I like the standard ubuntus rhythmbox, but don't know your needs
[11:22] <Mossyfunk1> well fixed a friends laptop and decided to replace vista while I was at it >_>
[11:23] <Mossyfunk1> he not great with computers just points and clicks just need a itunes replacement for ipod (not iphone and doesn't need store or any of that crap)
[11:24] <Mossyfunk1> while remaining with the lightweightawesomeness that is lubuntu
[11:26] <j_lundberg> rhytmbox isn't super lightweight but should have pretty good ipod support
[11:28] <j_lundberg> if you install it with --
[11:28] <j_lundberg> no-install-recommends its a bit smaller
[11:28] <Mossyfunk1> you get your name from office space?
[11:29] <j_lundberg> real name :)
[11:29] <Mossyfunk1> ahh ok
[11:29] <Mossyfunk1> thought I remembered it from a movie
[11:44] <Mossyfunk1> Rhythmbox seems pretty good for what he needs
[11:44] <Mossyfunk1> How can I make it so when I plug in a storage device I get an icon on the desktop for it?
[12:01] <j_lundberg> don't know how to get desktop icons from automount
[12:02] <Mossyfunk1> =(
[12:03] <Mossyfunk1> Is there any difference between upgrade to 10.10 and fresh install? I like stuff to be clean >_>
[12:08] <j_lundberg> it is often a question of keeping old configurations, sometimes you want this sometimes you don't
[12:12] <Mossyfunk1> hmmm I think I want a clean install
[13:48] <tlir> ello
[13:56] <buffcns2> is lubuntu a lighter windows manager than normal ubunut's gnome?
[13:56] <szczur> yeah, much lighter
[13:57] <buffcns2> oh ok, better than xubuntu too?
[13:57] <bioterror> depends
[13:57] <bioterror> lubuntu is about decission
[13:57] <bioterror> decissions
[13:58] <buffcns2> I'm all for that
[13:58] <bioterror> things are done differently and tools might be a little more from stone age, but you get your things done and you have speed
[14:03] <buffcns2> is ubuntu much different from ubuntu with lxde window manager installed?
[14:03] <bioterror> yes
[14:03] <bioterror> lubuntu comes without gnome packages
[14:04] <buffcns2> ok
[14:04] <bioterror> gnome = heavy
[14:04] <bioterror> :)
[14:04] <buffcns2> but even if it's not loaded?
[14:05] <buffcns2> does lubuntu use it's ownder graphical login manager or gdm?
[14:05] <buffcns2> *own
[14:05] <bioterror> should use lxdm
[14:06] <buffcns2> ok, might just take a peak at lxde first
[14:07] <buffcns2> be back soon....... hopefully
[14:08] <buffcns2> back
[14:12] <buffcns2> does lubuntu have lighter applications for web/email?
[14:12] <bioterror> yes
[14:12] <bioterror> firefox -> chromium
[14:13] <bioterror> thunderbird/evince -> sylpheed
[14:13] <buffcns2> I think I have a new love
[14:13] <bioterror> hope that love lasts
[14:14] <buffcns2> I normaly use evolution in gnome
[14:15] <bioterror> ahhh yes, s/evince/evolution/ ;)
[14:15] <bioterror> cant remember all applications that starts with E
[14:15] <bioterror> envice was for the pdf
[14:15] <bioterror> and actually, lubuntu uses it too
[14:19] <buffcns2> ok so lubuntu packages the lighter apps as well?
[14:19] <bioterror> yes
[14:19] <bioterror> you dont have to have that newest and fastest computer with dual fysical cpus which both has 8 cores ;)
[14:19] <buffcns2> so this old socket 478 celeron 2.8Ghz with 1.5Ghz cpu will be like lightning
[14:19] <bioterror> I bet it will be
[14:20] <buffcns2> *1.5Gb ram rather
[14:20] <buffcns2> I like the sound of that
[14:20] <gendoikari1> hi everybody, ive got a fast question that the wiki doesnt anwser clearly
[14:20] <buffcns2> one more qestion bioterror , default or lightweither irc client installed?
[14:21] <bioterror> buffcns2, I use ssh to my virtual server and I use weechat ;)
[14:21] <gendoikari1> is libxml2 the standard xml parser used by lubuntu?
[14:21] <buffcns2> that's ok, i know my way arround irssi too
[14:23] <gendoikari1> nobody knows?
[14:24] <bioterror> I have to raise hands up and say I dunno
[14:24] <buffcns2> I'm new in here
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
[14:25] <gendoikari1> mmm im going to write a simple configurator for lubuntu shortcuts, and i want to use as many standard lubuntu library as possibile
[14:25] <gendoikari1> as it said in development tips
[14:26] <bioterror> you could ask about that from the mailing list, gendoikari1
[14:26] <gendoikari1> i think i'll do it
[14:27] <bioterror> there's alot of knowledge too
[15:58] <thorlap> wubi : no install for lubuntu 10.10
[16:16] <madpenguin> Hi, how do I upgrade my system to 10.10 from 10.04?
[16:16] <madpenguin> i have several bugs with 10.04
[16:16] <hyperair> run sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:16] <madpenguin> that's all?
[16:17] <phillw> cheers hyperair, I've been waiting for that CLI string.
[16:17]  * phillw goes and updates wiki
[16:17] <madpenguin> is that like 'dist-upgrade?'
[16:17] <hyperair> madpenguin: trust me when i say you won't be saying "that's all?" after you're done.
[16:17] <hyperair> it's a more complete form
[16:17] <hyperair> it does wahtever update-manager usually does, but in the command line
[16:18] <madpenguin> oh
[16:18] <madpenguin> is it safe to that in lubuntu?
[16:18] <madpenguin> because 10.10 is released, right?
[16:18] <bioterror> yes
[16:18] <bioterror> it should be ;)
[16:18] <phillw> madpenguin: yes it is safe.
[16:19] <madpenguin> ok
[16:19] <madpenguin> i copy pasted the sudo command given so i'll try it after i've chatted ;)
[16:20] <madpenguin> i'm used to dist-upgrade so it looks peculiar to me
[16:20] <madpenguin> I have an abiword bug ... is there any knowledge on that one?
[16:20] <madpenguin> it might get fixed by the kernel upgrade?
[16:21] <hyperair> dist-upgrade is the imperfect solution that may not completely clean up afterward
[16:21] <madpenguin> or when the other packages upgrade
[16:21] <madpenguin> hyperair, oh, okay
[16:21] <hyperair> i'm not sure what this cleanup entices, but i'm told that it'd bad.
[16:21] <madpenguin> i don't know either
[16:21] <madpenguin> i notice a few nuisance bugs but the abiword was really annoying
[16:22]  * hyperair doesn't use abiword
[16:22] <madpenguin> since I can't copy anything to abiword unless it's unformatted
[16:22] <hyperair> i've been told that it's gotten very much better since the last time i've tried.
[16:22] <madpenguin> hyperair, i just use it for temp. tasks
[16:22]  * hyperair uses ooo writer
[16:22] <madpenguin> when i try to copy something via paste only, it crashes
[16:23] <madpenguin> ooo writer is openoffice?
[16:24] <madpenguin> actually, i do, too, normally... I should install it
[16:24] <madpenguin> it's not there in default install but that's fine... i know what to do
[16:24] <madpenguin> i haven't been using lately but when i need a word processor, i usually use that
[16:25] <madpenguin> when i run sudo do-release-upgrade -d, is there anything i need to know?
[16:25] <madpenguin> will I be asked to input anything?
[16:25]  * bioterror is waiting for Libre Office
[16:25] <phillw> hyperair: can you just proof read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Have%2010.04%20and%20want%2010.10?
[16:26] <madpenguin> bioterror, yeah, that's the new one, right?  they have to change their name
[16:26] <bioterror> madpenguin, openoffice developers didnt like oracle, made a fork
[16:26] <hyperair> phillw: nope. not yet.
[16:26] <bioterror> and canonical, novell and red hat is behind them now too
[16:26] <hyperair> phillw: see, i've been running do-release-upgrade since this afternoon.
[16:26] <hyperair> phillw: it's now 2326
[16:26] <hyperair> i started running it at around 2pm i think
[16:27] <hyperair> 10 hours and it's still not done. wtf >_>
[16:27] <hyperair> screw dpkg and its useless fsyncs
[16:27] <hyperair> i have btrfs! i don't need those damn fsyncs
[16:27] <madpenguin> bioterror, oh, i see
[16:27] <madpenguin> as long as the quality doesn't go down, right?
[16:27] <phillw> hyperair: should I take that posting down for the CLI ?
[16:27] <hyperair> phillw: what?
[16:27] <madpenguin> phillw, when does it ask you if you want to upgrade??
[16:28] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Have%2010.04%20and%20want%2010.10?
[16:28] <hyperair> phillw: do-release-upgrade -d? yeah sure.
[16:28] <madpenguin> oh, the update manager...
[16:28] <hyperair> phillw: actually do-release-upgrade is good enough.
[16:28] <madpenguin> but, better to do it via CLI, right?  via terminal console, correct?
[16:28] <hyperair> phillw: my mirror's outdated or something so for some reason it needs -d
[16:28] <phillw> I'm running ubuntu 9.10 as my dongle refuses to work with 10.04 and 10.10, it's a real PITA
[16:28] <hyperair> -d is for development releases.
[16:28] <hyperair> phillw: ouch.
[16:28] <hyperair> phillw: have you filed a bug?
[16:29] <madpenguin> what dongle do you have, phillw?
[16:29] <phillw> yes, and it's a very lonely unloved bug that I've bounced several times.
[16:29] <madpenguin> usb one?
[16:29]  * phillw is part of the bug squad, to really rub it in :'(
[16:29] <hyperair> phillw: which bug? did you poke the right people?
[16:31] <madpenguin> I was using one for my desktop...but, it's wireless g... with zd1211b chipset... works
[16:31] <madpenguin> i read that the only wireless n chipsets working is broadcom or ralink...hard to believe
[16:32] <madpenguin> those two are among the worse wireless chipsets in linux
[16:32] <madpenguin> can't say how many posts I've seen in any linux-based forum with wireless discussions of ppl owning those chipsets!
[16:32] <madpenguin> comments?  suggestions? :)
[16:39] <phillw> hyperair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/529794?comments=all
[16:39] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 529794 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Lucid 10.04 Alpha3 network-manager 0.8 fails to connect on boot Huawei E172 3G USB modem (affected: 4, heat: 22)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:39] <hyperair> hmm
[16:39] <phillw> gee, that ubot is fast :)
[16:40] <hyperair> heh
[16:40] <hyperair> phillw: have you poked cyphermox?
[16:41] <phillw> I don't know cyphermox
[16:42] <phillw> I could get it running with the dev kernel in 10.04 of ubuntu, but it wouldnot work with lubuntu 10.04; it's really annoying :(
[18:54] <jumpingclear> Are the instructions on the wiki for a minimal install still valid for 10.10? ie do we still need to add the lubuntu-desktop ppa and use the --no-install-recommends option?
[19:01] <gilir> jumpingclear, just skip the lubuntu-desktop ppa, the rest should be valid
[19:08] <jumpingclear> gilir, thanks. Also is there a list of what is included in lubuntu-desktop-base? I assume it is lubuntu-desktop minus apps? I have had major problems with standard iso and selecting an encrypted home so I am trying the minimal route.
[19:12] <giampiero> Hello, how can I get SoundJuicer to rep cd tracks into mp3?
[19:12] <gilir> jumpingclear, you only have lubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-core
[19:12] <gilir> lubuntu-desktop have the complete list here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
[19:13] <gilir> lubuntu-core is only the files manager, window manager, the panel and the session manager
[19:14] <giampiero>  Hello, how can I get SoundJuicer to rip cd tracks into mp3? Can anybody help?
[19:16] <jumpingclear> Sorry, my mistake, I meant lubuntu-core. I don't use many of the lubuntu defaults so would rather add my own but am not sure what lubuntu-core leaves out.
[19:18] <jumpingclear> OK I will install lubuntu-core and then try apt-get lubuntu-desktop and see what is left
[19:55] <sulumar> Hi, i just switched to lubuntu, finding out that gnome was far too havy for 512 MBRam, and wanted to know if there are any recomendations on what to do next
[19:57] <bioterror> you mean like drop some daemons?
[20:00] <sulumar> id rather not touch the deamons, never know when im going to need them
[20:01] <bioterror> I usually unmark all the bluetooths and stuff like that which I'm not going to use
[20:01] <sulumar> usefull
[20:05] <sulumar> i thought more like extend the desktop funktionality by ie installing some applets well if there are any usefull for lxde
[22:01] <nolatux> Hello!
[22:01] <nolatux> Hello!
[22:17] <jumpingclear> has anyone got lubuntu 10.10 to work with an encrypted home directory? Worked well with 10.04 but doesn't seem to access the encrypted directory with 10.10
[22:22] <gilir> jumpingclear, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/635698
[22:22] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 635698 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "encrypted home-folder not unlocked when login (affected: 2, heat: 10)" [High,In progress]
[22:31]  * phillw you got to love the ubot :)
[22:38] <zebastianortis> how can i make a text file that only i(root) can open?
[22:38] <zebastianortis> anyone here can help me
[22:38] <zebastianortis> i want to make a journal
[22:38] <bioterror> sudo nano file
[22:39] <bioterror> or you can use alt+f2 and type "gksudo leafpad"
[22:39] <bioterror> or what ever is the desired text editor
[22:41] <zebastianortis> i just opened the terminal, typed gksudo leafpad file saved as and was able to click and open it without it asking me for my password, fail?
[22:41] <jumpingclear> gilir, thanks, I should have checked launchpad for bugs. Took me a while to realise the problems I was having were due to the encrypted home.
[22:42] <zebastianortis> i meant a file that only i can open and that will ask me for the root pw everytime
[23:55] <zebastianortis> theres a folder i made for my journal, whereon only root has access and which i want pcmanfm to popup a prompt upon clicking
[23:55] <zebastianortis> a password prompt
[23:55] <zebastianortis> much like when you open synaptic it doesnt just say access denied but prompts for password
[23:57] <Arthur_D> hi everyone. Would it be too much of a pain to use Lubuntu on a Pentium (100 MHz or thereabouts) 24mb RAM system?
[23:58] <Arthur_D> I know it's under the minimum requirements, but I wondered if anyone had used it below that
[23:59] <phillw> hiyas Arthur_D 24MB would most likely below what even lubuntu can manage.
[23:59] <Arthur_D> alrighty
[23:59] <phillw> there is DSL and puppy linux that you may want to try